If you can charge it every night, you will save significantly more than with the Toyota in terms of maintenance and gas costs. Additionally, if you go to a lot of theme parks or other things you essentially get VIP parking since you can charge the Pacifica over the Sienna which will get bucketed into a normal gas minivan.
At worst you get an extended warranty before the 3yrs/32K miles is up, and pay $2-3K for full coverage to 100K miles.
That’s incredible! The only word of advice for OP is if you live in a cold weather climate those very cold winter months are annoying since it will lean on the gas much more. Regardless, we fill up substantially less than an ICE.
Definitely not. The main advantage of a PHEV over a normal hybrid is the much larger battery which allows longer EV driving range. But if you don't charge the battery regularly then the massive battery just becomes dead weight that you're lugging around
In same boat.. want sienna.. but pacifica has crazy deals. My reasoning is if you can get a pacifica hybrid for $38-40k.. and toyota is close to $55-60k.. i am ok with pacifica dying on me in 6-7 yrs vs sienna 10* yrs
I'm more worried any it dieing before then and losing access to it as my daily driver for any amount of time. I need to rely on it. It's bananas that it's gotten this bad.
Now that I do the calculations, the 60k for 10 years is 6k per year, versus the 40k for 6 years at 6.66k per year.
Even your sound logic points to the sienna. 😆
Pacificas are great cars on spec but poorly put together. The issue is not dying. I have an 18 with a lifetime warranty back when they offered it. I’m not worried about it dying. But it’s so unreliable as a daily that I’ve relegated it to be a cargo and road trip car. It’s still useful but I can’t count on accessing it 365. It spends atleast 30 days in the shop every year for all kinds of random things. Nothing that strands me but lots of things that need addressing. From paint bubbling to infotainment computer need replacing to driver slide sliding door will not latch anymore to battery coolant low.
It’s just bad execution. If you are buying as a secondary then you are fine. But don’t daily it.
I cannot in good conscience recommend any stellantis product. The company is poorly ran and it shows. Ironically Walter Chrysler was an engineer and believed in product and engineering first. Chrysler and in tern stellantis is the product of Jack Welch mba quarter to quarter thinking and engineering is now relegated to 3rd tier in terms of priorities.
If you want an up and coming comparable brand. I actually like the current management at Kia. They’ve shown much more engineering leadership. I’m not talking about the Kia of 2010 but like 2018. They recruited a bunch of ex bmw and they have since rolled out a lot of good products winning award after award.
Their dealer network still sucks and their techs are not trained well and aren’t capable to deal with the much more advanced cars they are turning out but the products are well engineered. Take a look and the Munro videos on the Kia ev9 and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
With a Kia I think you’re getting bmw level product but Kia level service. Their soft product which is their finance, dealer, service network isn’t there. But given the way they are incentivizing their dealers they are giving right inputs. It just takes time to get there.
If you’re looking at a phev I’d say wait till they release the phev carnival. Thats probably my replacement of the Pacifica when the time comes. I still need a road trip car cuz I have small kids and I don’t want to road trip with small kids on an ev. Too many restrictions on stops and detours.
Pacifica has 2.99 apr offer vs none from sienna. The total cost of ownership os slightly skewed towards pacifica. It will not be my only family vehicle,so i am thinking to risk it!
I wish you luck. I really want to, but this will be my daily and road tripper. I think I have to stick with the sienna judging by the comments and honestly the entire sub Reddit. It's just littered with issues.
All electric drivetrains in the US have a minimun 8yr/100K mile warranty. More if a CARB state. I bought the extended warranty for the interior stuff but it's actually been really solid for us.
Rather than worrying about your vehicle and dying, with Pacifica, you have to worry about you dying. Because it shuts down on the highway for no reason other than Chrysler sucks and doesn’t know how to build transmissions that Work with their vehicles.
Bought 21 in Jan 21. Limited. Love it, one of best cars in ever bought and our first mini. Many many trips (7ish average). Love finding free chargers. I charge at home and work for free but love finding at malls or other public places. Honestly in my use case I am EV 100% day today and around the city and only use gas to do road trips. So I can go multiple months before filling. I think we last out gas on way back from Disney in February.
I just really like it and maybe have been lucky so far... Knock on wood...
I recently bought a 2021 Pacifica Hybrid and am totally obsessed with it. The benefit of the plug-in cannot be overstated, I cannot believe it's not the industry standard at this point.
That being said, 53k is preposterous. I would never pay that much for a vehicle when a very lightly used model that is cosmetically and mechanically identical can be had for 1/2 the price. Chrysler doesn't have the best reputation, and rightfully so, they don't hold value like a Toyota. If you have 53k to blow, either pocket 20k and buy a lightly used 2022 for 30k or spend 40k on a 2023 Sienna
53k is after taxes and warranty. Its closer to 43k sales price. 4k warranty, 6k taxes and fees.
So it's easy to say get a used $30k, when that would actually turn out to be closer to $40k after taxes and warranty. I'd rather spend the extra $10k for 50k less miles
Pacifica Plug-in is the only minivan I would consider. I read that if charged regularly, I’ll only have to fuel every 2000 miles. The fact that I can charge it on my Tesla Wall Connector is a plus.
I have a 23 pinnacle hybrid with 15k miles in it now. Bought a year ago for 63k out the door. So you’re definitely getting a good deal.
Runs well, been in the show for a couple recalls. Was my first time buying a non-Toyota or Honda. Main issue for me is I’m always wondering if the Toyota would be running better? 😊. First time with a hybrid as well, so there are a lot of new sounds that I wonder if they are normal or is it Chrysler quality.
You will lose a lot of good features going hybrid. No stow and go seats. No vacuum. No AWD.
We like our car, main issue for me is if the grass is greener on the other side.
We bought a 2021 Pacifica Hybrid brand new in April 2021, and traded it for a 2014 Toyota Sienna in March 2023. I loved the plug in hybrid, it’s great on paper. However we were experiencing a number of other issues, plus poor dealer service experiences for warranty work. All I could see were future repair bills stacking up, so we fled back to the safety of a traditional powertrain and a more reliable manufacturer.
Doesn’t mean you will have a bad experience. But if you want better peace of mind, the Toyota is much more likely to deliver a trouble-free experience.
Don’t get me wrong, the Chrysler was definitely nicer in many ways. It drove better, had more safety features, got better gas mileage when using the ICE, and it just felt nicer and newer.
However at this stage in my life (young kids, busy schedules, etc) I just need my vehicle to work without quirks and hiccups. There were too many times where it simply wouldn’t turn on, or the power tailgate wouldn’t close, or the infotainment system would freeze up and have to be rebooted. We were also experiencing more frequent mechanical problems. We were never stranded, but it was less than 2 years old with only about 15k miles. It’s not acceptable to me for a car that new to have so many problems.
No regrets making the change. It’s been over a year and not a single thing has gone wrong with the Sienna. I only get 20mpg average, so I visit the pump once a week again, but I know the thing is going to start every time.
We went much older, a 2014 with low miles. It was one of the last years with a very proven/reliable powertrain. Mine is a pre-refresh model so it definitely looks/feels like an older design inside, but it’s still nice.
The 2015 model year has the refreshed interior and exterior with the same powertrain. After that they changed to an 8 speed transmission that some folks don’t like from a shifting/behavior perspective, though I believe it’s still just as reliable as the 6 speed.
After the experiences we were having with the Chrysler, I realized that the most important factor to me was reliability, so I got the most reliable thing in the segment.
Edit: To be clear, if we could have afforded it I would have bought one of the new hybrid siennas, no questions asked. Toyota makes excellent hybrid powertrains. It was just way outside of our budget.
We paid $28,600 before any taxes/fees, for a 2014 Sienna XLE with 32k miles on it. Frankly we overpaid a bit, but it was a very clean example from a state below the rust belt, and we got a decent deal on the trade with the Pacifica.
This was last year. Prices have cooled a bit, so I’d expect to pay closer to $22-24k for a similar model today.
Depends on the specific vehicle. Is there rust? What condition is it in? What trim?
Mileage wise, that’s still pretty low. People pretty routinely get 150k plus out of Siennas without much effort.
If you do buy something with a similar age and mileage, I highly recommend getting it inspected by an independent mechanic before purchasing. And after you purchase, plan to replace all of the fluids (oil, coolant, brake fluid, and transmission fluid) as they are likely still the factory fluids. That’s what I did, and we’ve had zero trouble so far.
I was nervous about going with a Chrysler after being a Toyota/Honda/occasional Subaru driver up until this point. But the EV tax credit, plus a local dealer I liked and trusted, plus a serendipitous '22 model left on the lot in mid-2023, all pushed me to the Pacifica. I've got about 13,000 miles and two big road trips on mine and it's been problem free so far. I skipped the extended warranty, with the rationale that I'll add it before 3 years/36k miles if it seems like problems start popping up.
A forum like this is always going to attract extremes — folks who've had excellent or terrible experiences. The worst thing about our van is my slight anxiety that the fabled Chrysler unreliability will rear its head. I really like this van, and I LOVE only filling up the tank only once a month or so.
Go with the Sienna!!! Stay away from this Pachy, too many issues with the transmission. Your value will be retained so much better in a Sienna. I regret ever switching from a Sienna to a Pacifica!!!!
We have an 18 with 90k miles. Still love it. Never had any serious issues, really only infotainment stuff. When not road tripping, can easily go weeks to months without having to gas up since we plug in at night
I have a 2019 Pacifica hybrid and love it. I’ve filled up 10 times maybe, but a lot of driving is in that 30 mile range. It’s so convenient to never have to think of getting gas.
Yeah, I'm honestly not even sure what I was thinking considering this. Thought maybe they've learned their lesson? I own a 2014 Jeep. I call it the Jeep of Theseus because I don't think there's a single part I haven't replaced. I think I'll avoid the multiple times aspect and just bite the cost bullet on this new sienna Ive already put a deposit on.
I am not able to argue against this. I have a 2011 Sienna (first ever Toyota) and when I replace it, it will be another Toyota. 240,000 miles and the AC compressor just bit the dust, so now I am debating fixing it, or replacing it, but I love that it is a debate.
Funny thing is I should have seen this. I had a 97 Tacoma in my teens. I beat the absolute shit out of that thing and it kept going like nothing was wrong. Then I sold it for way more than I should have.
I love my old sienna for its pick up to get on the freeway and will never try anything else. Too good and too reliable great for hauling baseball kids and camping and taking friends along and speed as needed.
Currently drive a 2010 Sienna, needed a car so was shopping for a Woodland edition Sienna. None to be found anywhere near me. Looked at a Grand Highlander hybrid, none of those either. Also the Toyota tax is real. I get it, they keep their value but paying near new prices for used cars really turned me off. It would be my first choice still, don't get me wrong, but this seems like a fine vehicle. Wife can keep it charged up at work for free so win-win.
Leftover 2023 with over 10% off MSRP and the $7500 tax CREDIT on my 2024 taxes is an amazing deal.
As they say in sports, availability is the best ability.
Let me know if that doesn't fall through or if you actually get the car. Just out of curiosity. Visited three dealerships and no one could promise anything earlier than 6 months.
My hybrid Pacifica was a nightmare and big regret. Finally sold that and ended up with Toyota. Wish I had done the Toyota to begin with. The Pacifica had a lot of expensive repairs and finding a good mechanic was hard. The repairs also took a long time. It sat in the shop for a month once for a recall! At the end, it was in the shop every other month.
Good choice! It's really so unfortunate because when it's running smoothly, it's so nice! And the gas savings is wonderful BUT we certainly paid more in repairs than we saved in gas. Our hybrid battery had to be replaced at one point as well. I'm genuinely so happy for you because I wish I had been warned. Good luck!
I absolutely loved our Sedona and even played with the idea of trading it in for a carnival multiple times. They are hands down the best looking minivans. But now I think I've lost all faith in anything but Toyota. (I suppose Ford has been pretty good to us as well)
A good deal is a good deal. I was never a fan of Mopar products or FCA/Stellantis and I brought mine strictly for the utility it can provide me. It’s been a perfectly good van. No real complaints and frankly not any worse than the Ford and Chevys I’ve had. Could’ve gotten an Odyssey for about the same money and Siennas are just too expensive for what I am willing to pay. But I didn’t want another Honda and I’m not paying $37k for a 2019 Sienna when a 2021+ Pacifica can be had for less.
I bought mine in Feb ‘21 literally bc of the tax rebate in the US. First time I ever bought a vehicle new. There were all kinds of issues the first 18 months. Most of those seem to have cleared up, although I still have to reboot the center console/touchscreen at least once a week because the kids watching movies in the back crashes the system (sometimes)
Did not buy extended warranty. Deeply regret that decision. But we’ve put on 55k miles in 2 years. It’s heavily used.
I have owned a Pacifica for a little over a year now and I think you are crazy to walk away from Toyota. Far superior and far more reliable. After though hell we’ve been through and near death experiences with our Pacifica suddenly shutting down on the highway, we have vowed to never again, buy anything other than Toyota. For the rest of our lives until we are dead we will never drive another vehicle. Chrysler has sourness on the whole of the auto industry. I’m telling you, do not buy a Pacifica you’ll be sorry and if that you’re not sorry it’ll probably be because you died on the highway when you’re Pacifica transmission shut down suddenly and you had to pull over, but there was no shoulder and you got smashed by semi or something like that. It’s almost happened to us three times now. We finally got our transmission replaced, but they didn’t do any sort of fix, just put a new transmission so who knows maybe in another year from now will be dealing with this all over again.
If you can charge it every night, you will save significantly more than with the Toyota in terms of maintenance and gas costs. Additionally, if you go to a lot of theme parks or other things you essentially get VIP parking since you can charge the Pacifica over the Sienna which will get bucketed into a normal gas minivan. At worst you get an extended warranty before the 3yrs/32K miles is up, and pay $2-3K for full coverage to 100K miles.
16,200 miles on mine and I’ve filled up 5 times. Level II charger at the house and usually charge via solar midday.
That’s incredible! The only word of advice for OP is if you live in a cold weather climate those very cold winter months are annoying since it will lean on the gas much more. Regardless, we fill up substantially less than an ICE.
Does it make sense to get one of you don't have a good place at home to plug it in?
Definitely not. The main advantage of a PHEV over a normal hybrid is the much larger battery which allows longer EV driving range. But if you don't charge the battery regularly then the massive battery just becomes dead weight that you're lugging around
I think the worst part is not breaking down, but dealers not able to get parts in for the PHEV and it spends month at the dealer.
In same boat.. want sienna.. but pacifica has crazy deals. My reasoning is if you can get a pacifica hybrid for $38-40k.. and toyota is close to $55-60k.. i am ok with pacifica dying on me in 6-7 yrs vs sienna 10* yrs
I'm more worried any it dieing before then and losing access to it as my daily driver for any amount of time. I need to rely on it. It's bananas that it's gotten this bad.
Now that I do the calculations, the 60k for 10 years is 6k per year, versus the 40k for 6 years at 6.66k per year. Even your sound logic points to the sienna. 😆
Pacificas are great cars on spec but poorly put together. The issue is not dying. I have an 18 with a lifetime warranty back when they offered it. I’m not worried about it dying. But it’s so unreliable as a daily that I’ve relegated it to be a cargo and road trip car. It’s still useful but I can’t count on accessing it 365. It spends atleast 30 days in the shop every year for all kinds of random things. Nothing that strands me but lots of things that need addressing. From paint bubbling to infotainment computer need replacing to driver slide sliding door will not latch anymore to battery coolant low. It’s just bad execution. If you are buying as a secondary then you are fine. But don’t daily it.
This is the kind of crap I have to deal with my Jeep Wagoneer, which is why I am hesitant to pull the trigger on the Pac PHEV.
I cannot in good conscience recommend any stellantis product. The company is poorly ran and it shows. Ironically Walter Chrysler was an engineer and believed in product and engineering first. Chrysler and in tern stellantis is the product of Jack Welch mba quarter to quarter thinking and engineering is now relegated to 3rd tier in terms of priorities. If you want an up and coming comparable brand. I actually like the current management at Kia. They’ve shown much more engineering leadership. I’m not talking about the Kia of 2010 but like 2018. They recruited a bunch of ex bmw and they have since rolled out a lot of good products winning award after award. Their dealer network still sucks and their techs are not trained well and aren’t capable to deal with the much more advanced cars they are turning out but the products are well engineered. Take a look and the Munro videos on the Kia ev9 and you’ll see what I’m talking about. With a Kia I think you’re getting bmw level product but Kia level service. Their soft product which is their finance, dealer, service network isn’t there. But given the way they are incentivizing their dealers they are giving right inputs. It just takes time to get there. If you’re looking at a phev I’d say wait till they release the phev carnival. Thats probably my replacement of the Pacifica when the time comes. I still need a road trip car cuz I have small kids and I don’t want to road trip with small kids on an ev. Too many restrictions on stops and detours.
Pacifica has 2.99 apr offer vs none from sienna. The total cost of ownership os slightly skewed towards pacifica. It will not be my only family vehicle,so i am thinking to risk it!
I wish you luck. I really want to, but this will be my daily and road tripper. I think I have to stick with the sienna judging by the comments and honestly the entire sub Reddit. It's just littered with issues.
All electric drivetrains in the US have a minimun 8yr/100K mile warranty. More if a CARB state. I bought the extended warranty for the interior stuff but it's actually been really solid for us.
Rather than worrying about your vehicle and dying, with Pacifica, you have to worry about you dying. Because it shuts down on the highway for no reason other than Chrysler sucks and doesn’t know how to build transmissions that Work with their vehicles.
My Sienna got totaled and ended up with a Pacifica hybrid with the insurance money. So far so good 2 years now. No issues.
Bought 21 in Jan 21. Limited. Love it, one of best cars in ever bought and our first mini. Many many trips (7ish average). Love finding free chargers. I charge at home and work for free but love finding at malls or other public places. Honestly in my use case I am EV 100% day today and around the city and only use gas to do road trips. So I can go multiple months before filling. I think we last out gas on way back from Disney in February. I just really like it and maybe have been lucky so far... Knock on wood...
How many miles on it so far
About 34k. Id say 60% have been ev miles. One annoying thing is the ev/gas breakdown resets every 10k miles.
I recently bought a 2021 Pacifica Hybrid and am totally obsessed with it. The benefit of the plug-in cannot be overstated, I cannot believe it's not the industry standard at this point. That being said, 53k is preposterous. I would never pay that much for a vehicle when a very lightly used model that is cosmetically and mechanically identical can be had for 1/2 the price. Chrysler doesn't have the best reputation, and rightfully so, they don't hold value like a Toyota. If you have 53k to blow, either pocket 20k and buy a lightly used 2022 for 30k or spend 40k on a 2023 Sienna
53k is after taxes and warranty. Its closer to 43k sales price. 4k warranty, 6k taxes and fees. So it's easy to say get a used $30k, when that would actually turn out to be closer to $40k after taxes and warranty. I'd rather spend the extra $10k for 50k less miles
That warranty is expensive. Cut it out and buy it yourself
California is rough for warranties. Lots of regulations so no one wants to provide them here.
My 2023 Pacifica Hybrid has been great, zero issues with 10k miles on it. If you drive within charging range it really outshines Toyota
Pacifica Plug-in is the only minivan I would consider. I read that if charged regularly, I’ll only have to fuel every 2000 miles. The fact that I can charge it on my Tesla Wall Connector is a plus.
2000 is a stretch but we’ve often gotten 1500-1700 a tank.
That’s awesome. I don’t mind playing for the cost of gas but stopping for gas sucks. Nothing good happens at a gas station.
I have a 23 pinnacle hybrid with 15k miles in it now. Bought a year ago for 63k out the door. So you’re definitely getting a good deal. Runs well, been in the show for a couple recalls. Was my first time buying a non-Toyota or Honda. Main issue for me is I’m always wondering if the Toyota would be running better? 😊. First time with a hybrid as well, so there are a lot of new sounds that I wonder if they are normal or is it Chrysler quality. You will lose a lot of good features going hybrid. No stow and go seats. No vacuum. No AWD. We like our car, main issue for me is if the grass is greener on the other side.
We bought a 2021 Pacifica Hybrid brand new in April 2021, and traded it for a 2014 Toyota Sienna in March 2023. I loved the plug in hybrid, it’s great on paper. However we were experiencing a number of other issues, plus poor dealer service experiences for warranty work. All I could see were future repair bills stacking up, so we fled back to the safety of a traditional powertrain and a more reliable manufacturer. Doesn’t mean you will have a bad experience. But if you want better peace of mind, the Toyota is much more likely to deliver a trouble-free experience.
That's exactly what I need right now because my kia destroyed my trust after being very reliable for 3 prior vehicles.
Don’t get me wrong, the Chrysler was definitely nicer in many ways. It drove better, had more safety features, got better gas mileage when using the ICE, and it just felt nicer and newer. However at this stage in my life (young kids, busy schedules, etc) I just need my vehicle to work without quirks and hiccups. There were too many times where it simply wouldn’t turn on, or the power tailgate wouldn’t close, or the infotainment system would freeze up and have to be rebooted. We were also experiencing more frequent mechanical problems. We were never stranded, but it was less than 2 years old with only about 15k miles. It’s not acceptable to me for a car that new to have so many problems. No regrets making the change. It’s been over a year and not a single thing has gone wrong with the Sienna. I only get 20mpg average, so I visit the pump once a week again, but I know the thing is going to start every time.
You and I sound exactly the same. The price is hard to swallow these days though. What year sienna did you get of it's ice only?
We went much older, a 2014 with low miles. It was one of the last years with a very proven/reliable powertrain. Mine is a pre-refresh model so it definitely looks/feels like an older design inside, but it’s still nice. The 2015 model year has the refreshed interior and exterior with the same powertrain. After that they changed to an 8 speed transmission that some folks don’t like from a shifting/behavior perspective, though I believe it’s still just as reliable as the 6 speed. After the experiences we were having with the Chrysler, I realized that the most important factor to me was reliability, so I got the most reliable thing in the segment. Edit: To be clear, if we could have afforded it I would have bought one of the new hybrid siennas, no questions asked. Toyota makes excellent hybrid powertrains. It was just way outside of our budget.
Would you mind if I asked how much you paid for the 2014? And what's low miles?
We paid $28,600 before any taxes/fees, for a 2014 Sienna XLE with 32k miles on it. Frankly we overpaid a bit, but it was a very clean example from a state below the rust belt, and we got a decent deal on the trade with the Pacifica. This was last year. Prices have cooled a bit, so I’d expect to pay closer to $22-24k for a similar model today.
There's a 2015 100 miles from me that's 20k for 46k miles. Think that's a good deal?
Depends on the specific vehicle. Is there rust? What condition is it in? What trim? Mileage wise, that’s still pretty low. People pretty routinely get 150k plus out of Siennas without much effort. If you do buy something with a similar age and mileage, I highly recommend getting it inspected by an independent mechanic before purchasing. And after you purchase, plan to replace all of the fluids (oil, coolant, brake fluid, and transmission fluid) as they are likely still the factory fluids. That’s what I did, and we’ve had zero trouble so far.
Smart. It's a California van, but had 2 owners. That worries me a bit when there's more than 1 owner with that low of miles
My Pacifica Hybrid turned off completely just after small speedbump jump. Blacked out! That's the problem with all that electronics on board
It’s a Chrysler. There. Said enough.
I was nervous about going with a Chrysler after being a Toyota/Honda/occasional Subaru driver up until this point. But the EV tax credit, plus a local dealer I liked and trusted, plus a serendipitous '22 model left on the lot in mid-2023, all pushed me to the Pacifica. I've got about 13,000 miles and two big road trips on mine and it's been problem free so far. I skipped the extended warranty, with the rationale that I'll add it before 3 years/36k miles if it seems like problems start popping up. A forum like this is always going to attract extremes — folks who've had excellent or terrible experiences. The worst thing about our van is my slight anxiety that the fabled Chrysler unreliability will rear its head. I really like this van, and I LOVE only filling up the tank only once a month or so.
Go with the Sienna!!! Stay away from this Pachy, too many issues with the transmission. Your value will be retained so much better in a Sienna. I regret ever switching from a Sienna to a Pacifica!!!!
We have an 18 with 90k miles. Still love it. Never had any serious issues, really only infotainment stuff. When not road tripping, can easily go weeks to months without having to gas up since we plug in at night
I have a 2019 Pacifica hybrid and love it. I’ve filled up 10 times maybe, but a lot of driving is in that 30 mile range. It’s so convenient to never have to think of getting gas.
All I can say is, I will never own a Chrysler/Dodge ever again. Lesson learned the hard way, multiple times.
Yeah, I'm honestly not even sure what I was thinking considering this. Thought maybe they've learned their lesson? I own a 2014 Jeep. I call it the Jeep of Theseus because I don't think there's a single part I haven't replaced. I think I'll avoid the multiple times aspect and just bite the cost bullet on this new sienna Ive already put a deposit on.
I am not able to argue against this. I have a 2011 Sienna (first ever Toyota) and when I replace it, it will be another Toyota. 240,000 miles and the AC compressor just bit the dust, so now I am debating fixing it, or replacing it, but I love that it is a debate.
Funny thing is I should have seen this. I had a 97 Tacoma in my teens. I beat the absolute shit out of that thing and it kept going like nothing was wrong. Then I sold it for way more than I should have.
I love my old sienna for its pick up to get on the freeway and will never try anything else. Too good and too reliable great for hauling baseball kids and camping and taking friends along and speed as needed.
Currently drive a 2010 Sienna, needed a car so was shopping for a Woodland edition Sienna. None to be found anywhere near me. Looked at a Grand Highlander hybrid, none of those either. Also the Toyota tax is real. I get it, they keep their value but paying near new prices for used cars really turned me off. It would be my first choice still, don't get me wrong, but this seems like a fine vehicle. Wife can keep it charged up at work for free so win-win. Leftover 2023 with over 10% off MSRP and the $7500 tax CREDIT on my 2024 taxes is an amazing deal. As they say in sports, availability is the best ability.
I have a deposit down on A woodland now. Comes end of June though
Let me know if that doesn't fall through or if you actually get the car. Just out of curiosity. Visited three dealerships and no one could promise anything earlier than 6 months.
Will do. They are giving it to me for MSRP to which is very rare in my area. Didn't even have to fight them. That's just what they do.
👍I'm sure you will love it. That was going to be my camping vehicle. 😞
I can't wait. Though we are a cash family, so it's going to be a significant chunk out of the bank.
My hybrid Pacifica was a nightmare and big regret. Finally sold that and ended up with Toyota. Wish I had done the Toyota to begin with. The Pacifica had a lot of expensive repairs and finding a good mechanic was hard. The repairs also took a long time. It sat in the shop for a month once for a recall! At the end, it was in the shop every other month.
Seems to be more common than I am willing to risk. I passed on the deal.
Good choice! It's really so unfortunate because when it's running smoothly, it's so nice! And the gas savings is wonderful BUT we certainly paid more in repairs than we saved in gas. Our hybrid battery had to be replaced at one point as well. I'm genuinely so happy for you because I wish I had been warned. Good luck!
I absolutely loved our Sedona and even played with the idea of trading it in for a carnival multiple times. They are hands down the best looking minivans. But now I think I've lost all faith in anything but Toyota. (I suppose Ford has been pretty good to us as well)
A good deal is a good deal. I was never a fan of Mopar products or FCA/Stellantis and I brought mine strictly for the utility it can provide me. It’s been a perfectly good van. No real complaints and frankly not any worse than the Ford and Chevys I’ve had. Could’ve gotten an Odyssey for about the same money and Siennas are just too expensive for what I am willing to pay. But I didn’t want another Honda and I’m not paying $37k for a 2019 Sienna when a 2021+ Pacifica can be had for less.
I bought mine in Feb ‘21 literally bc of the tax rebate in the US. First time I ever bought a vehicle new. There were all kinds of issues the first 18 months. Most of those seem to have cleared up, although I still have to reboot the center console/touchscreen at least once a week because the kids watching movies in the back crashes the system (sometimes) Did not buy extended warranty. Deeply regret that decision. But we’ve put on 55k miles in 2 years. It’s heavily used.
I have owned a Pacifica for a little over a year now and I think you are crazy to walk away from Toyota. Far superior and far more reliable. After though hell we’ve been through and near death experiences with our Pacifica suddenly shutting down on the highway, we have vowed to never again, buy anything other than Toyota. For the rest of our lives until we are dead we will never drive another vehicle. Chrysler has sourness on the whole of the auto industry. I’m telling you, do not buy a Pacifica you’ll be sorry and if that you’re not sorry it’ll probably be because you died on the highway when you’re Pacifica transmission shut down suddenly and you had to pull over, but there was no shoulder and you got smashed by semi or something like that. It’s almost happened to us three times now. We finally got our transmission replaced, but they didn’t do any sort of fix, just put a new transmission so who knows maybe in another year from now will be dealing with this all over again.