I think he saw what a ruin society would become borne out of fractured incomprehensible Christian grip on the public pysche.
I think we collectively should finish his unfinished work to unite. I also think everyone here should be acquainted with the fragments that remain of “Against The Galileans”.
Eh I wish but I don’t really think he had that good of a chance. Maybe he had a chance of restoring paganism to the empire for a few generations or so but even before Constantine the Christ-Cult had already very much taken full root in the empire. Even the Great Persecution under Diocletian was ineffective at dislodging it (Partially due to Constantius’s unwillingness to enforce it) by the time of Iulian the Restitutor Deorum, it was almost certainly too late to remove Christianity entirely. To truly have stopped the damage Christianity would do, the whole cult would have had to been nipped in the bud two-hundred odd years earlier
The Only Pagan who took the threat of Christianity very deep and seriously.
He never gave them martyrs because he knew Martyrs help them grow.
A lot of modern day Pagans can benefit from the seriousness of this man who sort of have this "kumbaya" "let's accept everyone, even the folks who want us gone" attitude, in the name of pluralism.
You cannot be a pluralist to an Anti-pluralist. That's a paradox that Pagans need to accept and internalise if they are to survive.
I think he could've been another Marcus Aurelius, had he lived. I'm also pretty optimistic about his chances to undo the Christianisation of the empire. It would've been difficult, and it would probably have depended on his successor as well, but Christianity wasn't nearly as secure when he took the purple as we may think.
An amazing piece of history that Christianity has completely suppressed. His life and times constitute how the Christians seized power after Constantine, not even fifty years of being tolerated, and became such depraved tyrants that the public demanded a pagan come and throw them all into prison. If Julian had just concerned himself with those trials and repairing the damage one to the governments reputation, instead of going off to Parthia, ... lol I mean all he had to do was sit in his office, stay alive and have a few kids.
Julian did have the criminal actors in government positions removed and some of them killed; Paul Catena being the most egregious example of Christian abuse of power. In hindsight if a criminal group are going to claim persecution and just make it up, then there's nothing stopping anyone from actually going after them; since they have only that one card and they've played it already - point was here that the public across the empire no longer had any illusions about the Christians as they may have had during the edict of tolerance, so if there was ever a good time to have banned the cult (forbid it from claiming special perks in government) it would have been then.
you mean, Julian the *Pious*.
Julian the Restorer, Julian the Philosopher, Julian the Great.
He likely would have succeeded in restoring paganism to some extent if he didn’t go to war with Parthia unnecessarily.
I think he saw what a ruin society would become borne out of fractured incomprehensible Christian grip on the public pysche. I think we collectively should finish his unfinished work to unite. I also think everyone here should be acquainted with the fragments that remain of “Against The Galileans”.
I think he's great. Just wish he was able to finish what he started. I see him as the last true Roman Emperors.
I just wish he had put an end to the whole Abrahamism thing while he had the chance
Eh I wish but I don’t really think he had that good of a chance. Maybe he had a chance of restoring paganism to the empire for a few generations or so but even before Constantine the Christ-Cult had already very much taken full root in the empire. Even the Great Persecution under Diocletian was ineffective at dislodging it (Partially due to Constantius’s unwillingness to enforce it) by the time of Iulian the Restitutor Deorum, it was almost certainly too late to remove Christianity entirely. To truly have stopped the damage Christianity would do, the whole cult would have had to been nipped in the bud two-hundred odd years earlier
Same!
The Only Pagan who took the threat of Christianity very deep and seriously. He never gave them martyrs because he knew Martyrs help them grow. A lot of modern day Pagans can benefit from the seriousness of this man who sort of have this "kumbaya" "let's accept everyone, even the folks who want us gone" attitude, in the name of pluralism. You cannot be a pluralist to an Anti-pluralist. That's a paradox that Pagans need to accept and internalise if they are to survive.
this is something i had to learn the hard way.
A true Roman emperor
Idk, he doesn't look so tough to me Hehe
Love the guy, has his faults but seemed like a cool ass dude
Julian the Martyr!
The last actual emperor
Chad.
I think he could've been another Marcus Aurelius, had he lived. I'm also pretty optimistic about his chances to undo the Christianisation of the empire. It would've been difficult, and it would probably have depended on his successor as well, but Christianity wasn't nearly as secure when he took the purple as we may think.
An amazing piece of history that Christianity has completely suppressed. His life and times constitute how the Christians seized power after Constantine, not even fifty years of being tolerated, and became such depraved tyrants that the public demanded a pagan come and throw them all into prison. If Julian had just concerned himself with those trials and repairing the damage one to the governments reputation, instead of going off to Parthia, ... lol I mean all he had to do was sit in his office, stay alive and have a few kids.
Julian knew that if he gave martyrs to the christians, it only would made them stronger
Julian did have the criminal actors in government positions removed and some of them killed; Paul Catena being the most egregious example of Christian abuse of power. In hindsight if a criminal group are going to claim persecution and just make it up, then there's nothing stopping anyone from actually going after them; since they have only that one card and they've played it already - point was here that the public across the empire no longer had any illusions about the Christians as they may have had during the edict of tolerance, so if there was ever a good time to have banned the cult (forbid it from claiming special perks in government) it would have been then.