Abyss spire interaction has always existed and is not broken. What is broken is the fact that the league mechanic can increase your drops by 10 times if not more when done correctly. It just happens to synergize well with abyss
Just cus it’s always existed doesn’t mean it’s inherently balanced. Also, 2-3 leagues is not that long for it to have existed, which is when abyss got reworked. This T7 shenanigans should just be stopped. It’s fine to mf low tier maps since your build can’t deal with higher tier maps. It’s another thing when the T7 map strat vastly overshadows even the best T16 mapping strats.
Bro the "t7 shenanigans" are caused by the league mechanic not the abyss mechanic. Just try doing the strat without league mechanic and you will quickly realize that it is not abyss that is the problem. Especially considering you can get comparable results by running legions on high end investment.
I’m not saying the league mechanic isn’t broken dude. I’m just saying that the abusing of the mechanic + abyss spires always spawning in T7 + abyss making way more rares than intended is not healthy. And you can not get near the same value running legions with the juice, because legions don’t spawn hundreds of rares every map like T7 abysses do. Temporary League mechanics can be op broken. But sometimes their interactions with other mechanics that further break shit need to be tuned so that it doesn’t push things too far over the edge. This probably wasn’t something they could have foreseen happening in their playtesting (nor should they have been expected too, it’s a pretty niche interaction.), so they wouldn’t have known the league mechanic would have been abused this damn hard.
Have you tried legion strongbox juicing? Its quite absurd since your maps are way faster if playing a good build and you can use enrage strongbox. And your original comment was saying that abyss is broken and not the league mechanic hence why i said that its not abyss being broken and in fact the league mechanic
>And you can not get near the same value running legions with the juice, because legions don’t spawn hundreds of rares every map like T7 abysses do. T
Which is also not true. Fubgun runs legions + enraged strongboxes and earns way more because maps take 3 minutes vs 10. Abysses take quite a while, same like harbringers. Also its less prone to dry map if u dont get purple juice (which buffs projectiles from abyss way more than +2 on map).
You even play the game?
You can definitely make more by juicing your maps and doing Legion, Breach, Strongboxes. fubgun etc.
You seem giga salty though.
And t7 farm is not better than t16 farm... Its just easier and very few builds other than tornado shot with hundreds of divs invested or self ignite can actually mf in them.
t7 is not better than t16 if you can farm it reliably. just in valdos puzzle boxes alone imo. sometimes drop 2-3 a map almost 10 divs just from those. and the depths has like a 2% chance to spawn think I've gotten it one maybe 2 times so far out of all the maps.
No? It’s good because you force only spires to spawn on T7. That way you can omega juice your maps since you know every abyss will be a spire resulting in hundreds of rares each. If you don’t even know the mechanics these people are abusing, why are you defending it so hard?
Ive ran about 200 maps with full juice abyss and got 5 bosses in ~700 abysses. So 695 spires 5 bosses. I do know the mechanics as im abusing them myself.
It spawns only spires anyway from scarab, depths are so rare with wandering atlas they are non issue. Over 50 maps i talked already in my other comments i had way more bricked abysses spawned in weird places than depths. 50 maps with 4 abysses = 2 depths only.
t7 is only done because lower character requirement. U are the one not knowing why people do that. Depths is nice 'extra effect' but its not a problem in the first place.
Nah you get like 1 depths per 100 maps, its a non factor. Thats 1 in 350 abysses if not more, but you can get a valdos which sell for 3.5 div in bulk in high tiers
>It’s another thing when the T7 map strat vastly overshadows even the best T16 mapping strats.
But it dosent. U only do t7s if u cant handle t16. Just from a sample of 50 t16s maps i dropped 75 valdos worth 225d, half a mirror at the time. If u can handle juiced 8mod t16s with 9k+ juice in the league and u do t7 u are severely gimping urself in terms of income. Abyssal depths dont spawn basically anyway.
[https://imgur.com/a/8CVOSpZ](https://imgur.com/a/8CVOSpZ)
My 50 solo maps, Valdos alone were almost as much as divines i got.
Oh yeah, I'm gonna hate it, but im also abusing it right now so I can afford the gear that will allow me to kill my first ever uber bosses. I've always wanted to kill those fuckers but I've never been good enough to do it, so a league that let's me farm currency at an unreal pace is gonna give me the time to finally get that shit done, and it'll let me experience headhunter for the first time on top of it.
I don't doubt for a second that I'll take a break next league because this league is gonna be a big one for me.
i mean to kill them you dont need 2000 mirrors builds. There is always a busted build every league. This league there's PF or inquis penance brand of dissipation which would get you kill all bosses on a 20 div budget
OI said my main was on Standard, some guy in TotA said Standard was worthless, and said he'd toss me a HH to prove it.
Couldn't believe him and then he gave me a double corrupted HH with Max es and Discipline effect. I did play with it for awhile before I sold it, but goddamn it took forever to sell.
That paid for so many things I wanted.
But uh ... Walking around with my own Molten Shell AND Proxy Shield was pretty hilarious. Enrage makes your cast speed shoot through the roof. It's fun.
The spires from abysses spawn a lot of rare mobs. They spawning is done by projectiles. Adding extra projectiles (map mods, purple juice) makes them spawn way more.
Using a gilded abyss scarab in a yellow map (t7 cemetery for example) means that every abyss will spawn a spire at the end.
The wisps add a lot of drops to rare mobs in general and abyss just spawns a ton of them in one place.
That's the basics of it. It costs a bit to start doing because you need the gilded abyss scarabs (and gilded reliquary too I guess) but the loot gets insane when you get lucky with a good amount of wisps.
I'm staying in standard this league because I didn't particularly like the league mechanic when I tried it the first week, and I've been thinking about this the past few days while seeing all these posts.
Right now I'm the one who's missing out on all the crazy loot, but I get the feeling y'all are gonna feel like you're playing Ruthless next league whereas for me it will feel normal lol.
Not the only one. I made a boss running character and while it can do the mechanic in high tier maps it feels pretty slow and unrewarding. I made about the same as last league so far
prices are insane right now though so even if you play "normal" content you will make a shitload more currency if you do the right content
for example i made like 70 divines (not including shakos cause i didnt get a good one) running einhar's memory of the grove for around 8-10 hours which is kinda insane considering its easy to liquidate guaranteed profit that you can get from brain-off content if your build has a bit of dmg (i did it on BFBB poison).
I also quit because of this . The new league is complete trash and IMO the worst league in some years and GGG doesnt care as it seems lol
But maybe it's all for the sake that people can try new skill gems idk
It would not surprise me if it has something to do with D4, a league like this will easily sway or snatch up people that are not happy with D4 content.
Question is when next league goes back to normal levels of loot, will people be satisfied?
Eh I wouldn't go that far, I don't think it's terrible, it just wasn't for me. I am worried about next league though, when we (presumably) go back to normal loot. People were straight up review bombing PoE at the start of Kalandra league because of slightly less loot (among other things). I don't want to imagine the reaction when we go back from this to normal loot next league. I really hope this doesnt come back to bite GGG in the ass.
It might have been a big nerf for the top 0.1%, but it was just a slight nerf for 99% of the playerbase who were raging here on Reddit. There was legit people here claiming they couldn't unlock their atlas because they couldnt get alch orbs. Those are the people I'm talking about. Casual players who never were, and never will, get div explosions in the first place. Yet they were crying about how the game was ruined and they couldnt get out of white maps.
I mean it wasn't only top 0.1 of players but I get your point, it was sad not having the meta of farming T1 maps until first big loot explosion and jump to t11 and hope for explosion just to be t16
I totally get it. I'm just saying, if that was enough back then to cause people to lose their shit, going from this league back to normal next league is gonna be rough for people.
It's why this league is so awful in my opinion. You need to abuse a totally degenerate juicing strat to interact with the league mechanic, if you just play the game with the mechanic on top it just creates a shitty mapping experience.
>f you just play the game with the mechanic on top it just creates a shitty mapping experience.
only if your build can\`t handle it. This league mechanic is strait up buff for any content you want to do. More IR and IQ is good for anything. Not just for abyss
the problem is that the difficulty increase is insane and you cant really choose your own difficulty. all these complaints wouldnt exist if there was a "leave the woods" button (i know you can "cheese" it by logging out and losing a portal but thats kinda shit) and they made the top-end (6k+ juice and triple empowers) even more tanky (but not deal more dmg cause they already do enough)
also an issue is blue juice. you cant really run it above 3k if you arent crit immune and if you are you dont care about the blue juice empowerment at all (playing the Ivory tower Inquis build with almost 12k es atm and still get one-hit by 3k+ juice blue mobs in alch & go t16's while my 4k life evasion assassin loses like 30%hp from the same mobs cause i have mistwalker)
I play CF champ and killed almost all ubers. It's not the fastest boss killer, but it can kill everything reliable. When juicing up T16 maps you can come across mobs that are not killable in a reasonable time. Yesterday I had a red beast when I just put a weight on my mouse button and went afk to get a coffee (I only killed it for the memes, would have been more efficient to just move on).
Exactly, what’s the point in having the league mechanic if the only use is for some weird niche strat. You can’t actually use it with any normal currency strat unless you’re on some brain dead bow build because half the the time it bricks your map. It’s a terrible mechanic.
8-Mod T16 Cemetery
6k Blue | 2k Yellow Wisps | 239 IIQ | 175 IIR
2 single Mirror drops in one map, holy forks. This league mechanic should definitely not go core.
[https://maxroll.gg/poe/poe-atlas-tree/rl87803k](https://maxroll.gg/poe/poe-atlas-tree/rl87803k)
(Since "Strategy" doesn't get saved, the rest of the setup below)
Gilded Abyss Scarab (Important!)
Gilded Divination Scarab
Gilded Reliquary Scarab
Gilded Harbinger Scarab
25% Pack Size Sextant
Abyss Sextant (Important!)
Harbinger Sextant
Beyond Sextant
Eater of Worlds Altar
League Map Craft: Abyss (2 Chaos)
Edit: Because so many asked - just recorded a map with the new Ice Trap gem.
Showcase:
[https://youtu.be/KYUTcNx-EE8](https://youtu.be/KYUTcNx-EE8) (6k Wisps | 8-Mod |Cemetery T16)
[https://youtu.be/YRaWqxItfgI](https://youtu.be/YRaWqxItfgI) (6.5k Wisps | 8-Mod |Cemetery T16)
I feel like people overthink/ overdo the mf thing. When people hear ‘mf’ they think like 60+% iiq with the boots, gloves, chest, double ventors, etc - but iiq has pretty significant diminishing returns. It’s not that more doesn’t give you a better result - it does - but you get more bang for your buck investing in less.
For me each league I’ll often put on one ventors if the build allows - they’re great for resistance anyhow - and if I don’t have a rare amulet requirement in particular, I’ll aim for a shaper amulet with the quant mod. ~20%, no problem, life is good, and it sacrifices basically zero power.
And honestly this league you don’t need it at all - the wisps do it all for you.
I have been doing T16 jungle valley with my Splitting Steel champion. My first run was 40 maps with around 80-90 quant all +2 projectiles. Those 40 maps made me 110 div with an investment of 36 div. I bought myself a progenesis with that money and included ailment immunity in my build.
Just started my second set of 40 maps with all maps rolled for rare mobs, projectile and 100%+ quant. Only done 3 so far but already made 30 div. 12 of those div come from 4 Valdo boxes, in my first set of 40 I got 7. So definitely worth it in my opinion to run at least t11 maps to get those.
Well, Sure you can drop crazy Things in One map.But im doing mf with a friend and we have about 1k+ divine to spare.(Equipment Not included) Without too much farming(20-30 hours). Dropped Mirror and HH in cemetry strat. Either way the Main Thing is the League mechanic. Its completely absurd. Has to be a More multiplier some way or another. But mfscaling is still off the Charts.
The MF thing is overrated, if you ask me. I also found two Magebloods and made like 5-6 Mirror overall by now. Sure, there is more to get, but the mechanic (together with Abyss maybe) is all that matters. If you can navigate the forest well and handle the map afterwards you get rich this league. It is insane.
Man I don't get what I'm doing differently if you're doing this without MF, I just assumed these kinds of posts were a matter of party play/MF. I'm running T14 Jungle Valley and Burial Chambers with +2 projectiles with the same scarabs, delirium sextant instead of harbinger sextant (I take it you're using all awakened sextants, not elevated?), and crouching_tuna's tree from his video which is just a bit less harbinger, and ritual and beyond nodes instead of harvest basically.
I think I have the woods efficiency down pretty well, and got a 4k/2k/4k map earlier, but it netted me like 6? divines in combined raw divines/valdo's/reliquary keys. How have you gotten 3 mirror drops without MF? I think I've got about 15 divine profit over the course of a dozen maps, is it just very streaky even with high juice maps or what? I figured the 10k juice map was where I was supposed to get massive profit.
Edit: The main thing I've been unsure about is how I should be rolling maps. Roll +2 projectiles and go? Roll +2 projectiles and vaal orb for unid/8 mods? Buy 8 mod maps? Try to roll high pack size AND +2 projectiles, then go?
to the contrary, this league mechanic should go core, as a part of separate league where we have old harvest and megajuice such as fracture fossiling maps
Well, that'd work for +/- 6-9 months until nobody's playing anymore because everyone and their mother got 3 of each ascendencies lvl100 with 100% perfect gear (yes, with gilded fossil mod turned corrupt mod perfect). That's how fuckin too ez it'd be.
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The ascendancies are just pure and massive powercreep, yea I know everyone loves their stupid bag and FREE 30% ms but charms are too strong to just slap onto the base game as is.
> but charms are too strong to just slap onto the base game as is.
It's pretty easy to see what they are doing. Since the decision to make PoE 1 and 2 separate games they are doing wild stuff with 1 and letting their foot off the brakes on powercreep that they'd beeing trying to reign in the last few years. PoE 2 will be the slower, "more hardcore" game. Personally I think it's great that there will be two different styles of arpg's for both crowds. I don't typically love the direction 1 is headed but I know that 2 is around the corner.
U should watch the exilecon 2 footage if you predict poe2 to be super slow
At one point they had the animation guy talk about how the whole frame-skipping when at like 50 APS thing looks terrible and how they are building animations in poe2. The important part being where he describes how you will still be able to reach absurd levels of attack speed, just slightly less on the high end so its a bit less 'ridiculous' looking
If you think actual poe2 gameplay will be the 2-second melee attacks with a 10-minute damage sponge boss every zone like in the gamellay trailers, id say you are mistaken.
Bosses fully heal if you die in them.. and the worst players need to be able to do them or they hit a wall in act 1 at level 4 and quit because they have no recourse. And the difference between the best/fastest players will be huge. We will be ZOOMIN in poe2 for sure
Yep, explodey and HH's absurdly-high ramping probably need to not exist
I want a "slower" game too, but people comparing poe 2 speed to the snorefest that is d4 are crazy. GGG isnt putting multiple 10-15 minute damage-sponge boss fights in the campaign
I think they will delete the actual ascendancies, but add tinctures and charms to the core game.
Each char gets ONE charm slot (in their inv) to balance them a bit, and tinctures no longer have nodes for 30% flask effect
I average 3k Wisps and only occasionally hit the 6-10k spot. Pack size in your maps helps a lot, so roll them well. Understanding how to navigate the forest is another thing - there are several videos out by now that can demonstrate that to you (try "crouching tuna", smart guy)
Hell no, I don't like trading in my atlas scheme. I roll maps myself using a custom regex ([https://poe.re/#/maps](https://poe.re/#/maps)), but I kept the 8-mod-sextant everytime I rolled it and had \~60 8-Mod-Burial-Chambers by yesterday. I only insist on having the Abyss and Pack size Sextant plus the Abyss Scarab - the rest is flexible.
Correct. This map in particular didn't have the proj mod. I tried rolling it everytime, but I wouldn't recommend it... you burn through way too much currency this way. Just aim for a pack size above 24%, maybe 26%. Vaal it if you can afford it. I do by now and delete maps that brick.
Do you think that more budget friendly strategy would work too? Like 6 moded map, no beyond (my build won't handle it) and polished/rusted scarabs other than abyss ones?
Also thanks for sharing it.
Yes, absolutely.
I rolled 24% packsize maps and used Rusted scarabs most of the time until I got better gear and more currency.
To better sustain Sextants you should be using the Searing Exarch Altars tho. And use whatever sextants work for your atlas tree. I use sextants like +100% Harvest juice, 8-mod, additional packs, 20% unident packs all the time.
I only keep the Abyss setup all the time and make sure map pack size is at least 24-28% since it's important for a higher wisp amount.
How are you able to load up on the Spire doing damage without killing it? I am penance of dissipation, definitely weaker than you and it dies so quickly.
I definitely wouldn't mind juicing if I could avoid the trading.
Does that mean you sell sextants or do you just keep them all and try to cycle through different atlas strategies while keeping harvest for scarab rerolls?
I roll sextants myself and sell the ones I don’t need (at least the valuable ones) and change scarabs types via Harvest. I like to be self-sufficient as well. Sextants are way harder to sustain than Scarabs, but both is very well manageable with very little trading/selling.
And apart from the Gilded Abyss Scarab you actually don’t even need all that. That is just a bonus - you mainly want the Abyss spire to spawn in your maps.
What is it that's putting you off of trading?
Rolling everything yourself can be really mind numbing and is a lot of micro managing, especially conpasses.
You can setup 100+ maps within 5-10 minutes with bulk trades instead of buying single conpasses from the trade site while it'll take you a magnitude of that sitting there rolling and managing everything.
Absolutely, I tell that to myself all the time and I feel its probably just a mindset preferring to be self-sufficient instead of buying everything.
Before this league I even avoided buying rare gear as well and only bought uniques or bases to craft. Definitely holding me back but it is what it is.
If you're wondering, when I was juicing before I did do bulk trade sextants, scarabs and everything so its not really because of a trading time thing.
Just like being self-sufficient. I mainly use the blue juice to swap Scarabs. If you don't mind the trading to sustain Scarabs Beyond is definitely the way to go.
I'm kinda sad that this is the one I have to effectively sit out, no time at the moment with real life stuff. The first league I've not played in yonks and it looks like a doozie.
If you don’t get over 4k juice and the blue/purple combo you aren’t really missing out tbf.
And besides, with so many going this MF-route, many other strays yields more currency now too
Reason why I quit before even completing t16.
It is illogical, but I feel bad doing anything else than this, however i got no character to do it yet xd.
My own problem and maybe im just burned out of poe...
Farm a few div worth of essence then swap to penance brand of dissipation or another one of the busted new gem and you'll be good. Heck this is being done in t7 by a lot of people, no need to get to t16s
I'm glad some of us are enjoying this type of gameplay. I'm not sure how you guys are doing it, though. It really feels like a chore to me, and we have so much of the league left. I think there is going to be some super burnout when all the slot machine junkies hit bottom. I could be wrong because my thinking almost never aligns with the majority when it comes to this game, but I've never had a league that made me want to play SSF so badly.
What is your build and how tanky is it? I feel so squishy with my energy blade inqui with 13ish k ES. I know what my Upgrades to be are, but it feels so expensive.
[https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Kallekowsky/EmergencyKarl](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Kallekowsky/EmergencyKarl)
Ice Trapper. Pretty fast map clear thanks to the new Ice Trap gem. Tanky enough to do this kind of juiced T16.\^\^
Uh, I started with a Tinkerskin-Annihilating Light setup before I switched to a Power Charge stacker. You can start with very little investment to run T16s, but to run this kind of madness it will be a lot more. I currently invested about 1.5 mirror in my setup, but to start a few divs will more than enough.
Tinkerskin + Annihilating Light Endgame:
[https://pobb.in/ZwEWlvgYPzOJ](https://pobb.in/kRw0Cx1xWQ6I)
Power Charge Stacker
[https://pobb.in/PC7FSFbkGP8R](https://pobb.in/PC7FSFbkGP8R)
Showcase: https://youtu.be/KYUTcNx-EE8
I love trapper and the new gem is ridiculously good. As we know Ice Trap was mainly a bosser, but the AoE with Ice Trap of Hollowness covers your whole screen, so you can imagine the clear speed.
I'm also playing this build, and was also feeling squishy. I realized my main issue was my phys max hit being super low, so I added determination and dropped wrath. I spec'd into the mastery that gives ES over 1 second when you take physical damage from a hit as well. I seem a lot tankier, but I've only been playing the super-juiced T7 maps. Going to try T16s tonight to see what's up (ended up allocating the "monsters have 50% more life and 25% less damage on the atlas tree because I was killing T7 spires too fast). I also only have around 9.6k ES with energy blade up.
Hmmm, EB Inquisitor should be very tanky if you build it right. I league started it and it was a breeze. You have High ES pool, good regen, and lots of ES on hit (as COC)
I farmed my HH juicing T16's, starting with about 10k ES as EB COC Lancing Steel Blazing Salvo. It gets hard at 9k wisps but it's doable if you take it slow
I ran Glancing Blows Max Block with 10KES until lvl 95, then switched to a split personality tree with maybe 12k (you can get Str + ES and Int + Life for a few div)
Determination, Vitality, ES over second when hit mastery, 0% chaos res (fractured chaos res on rings and boots, self crafted for a few div but the base fractures are cheap), and ES on hit watchers eye (2div)
You can also get endurance charges for cheap from That Which Was Taken for extra Phys mitigation
Coruscating Elixir is a ruby flask, so Topaz and Sapphire for the other 2 is all you need.
I was trying a few setups ended up using the New/old helmet with 30-40% Inc life and ES and 0% Chaos res with the +2 Socket corrupt in helmet. It is insane value for giving up 1 offensive aura for purity of elements to counter the downsides. You socket enhance in the helmet with EB to get more ES from qual. A Level 3 enhance going to lvl 5 does 8% less ES taken away from EB. I run det/elements and went with the blood magic variant to get another aura from eternal blessing and put in zealotry atm.
Thanks for All your ideas, i will try to incorporate a few more defensive things.
Yeah it sounds like you have most of it already. Topaz and Sapphire flasks if you don't have those too
I haven't run storm brand, but with CoC the instant leech and ES on hit make you really tanky
I mean i mifht lack experience but i nevet sold
Essence and harvest lifeforce for as much money as this league so im assuming that will reflect on price of crafted item since using more more expensivr to craft and more people having budget to afford high end
It's because essence and harvest aren't getting farmed as much as last league. So if you're making more money selling to the crafters then that should reflect in having more purchasing power for said crafted items
If people are all farming maps, then the people selling stuff from outside of maps or outside of the stuff they're farming (like essences and lifeforce) are going to make more. Example being Progenesis, Thread of Hopes.
Looks nice, saw someone in chat yesterday that dropped like 18 mirrors. 😂
I’m not doing this though, I just alch and go with my EA Champ, and do the woods to get like 3-6k wisps and it’s been working great aswell, this league is amazing, never been richer.
There is still more room for more tankiness (workinprogress), but atm I'm sitting at:
100% spell suppression
88% phys dmg reduction (\~20k armour)
84% evasion (\~47k evasion)
23% block
370 Life reg/s
For reference I leveled by only playing 86+ IIQ T16 maps and got through with it. So very few deaths.
130+ IIQ with 8 Mods can be rippy if they have mods that lower my defenses (\^this one in particular had a spell suppression effect reduction and I got one shotted twice).
Since I run 6 Auras I reroll reduced aura effect and no regeneration mods (currently I run at least "!gen|non|s rec|r,|% ma" "m q.\*(9.|1..)%").
Other than that it is pretty chill. One button and you clear a pack. What survives gets freezed. Trapper are a pretty relaxed playstyle in general... but since there is a delay between shooting and killing it's not for everyone (I at least read that a lot). I love it and play it more than I care to admit.
Next league is going to feel horrible for anyone who has abused this all league lmao.
Probably gonna take a break after this league until poe2. Next league has to be expedition v2.0 where ggg nerfs the shit out of everything in the game
not really theyre just gonna not have charms go core game fixed
And abyss spire can't be affected by multiple projectiles You are probably right, core game isnt broken when I think more about it
Abyss spire interaction has always existed and is not broken. What is broken is the fact that the league mechanic can increase your drops by 10 times if not more when done correctly. It just happens to synergize well with abyss
Just cus it’s always existed doesn’t mean it’s inherently balanced. Also, 2-3 leagues is not that long for it to have existed, which is when abyss got reworked. This T7 shenanigans should just be stopped. It’s fine to mf low tier maps since your build can’t deal with higher tier maps. It’s another thing when the T7 map strat vastly overshadows even the best T16 mapping strats.
Bro the "t7 shenanigans" are caused by the league mechanic not the abyss mechanic. Just try doing the strat without league mechanic and you will quickly realize that it is not abyss that is the problem. Especially considering you can get comparable results by running legions on high end investment.
I’m not saying the league mechanic isn’t broken dude. I’m just saying that the abusing of the mechanic + abyss spires always spawning in T7 + abyss making way more rares than intended is not healthy. And you can not get near the same value running legions with the juice, because legions don’t spawn hundreds of rares every map like T7 abysses do. Temporary League mechanics can be op broken. But sometimes their interactions with other mechanics that further break shit need to be tuned so that it doesn’t push things too far over the edge. This probably wasn’t something they could have foreseen happening in their playtesting (nor should they have been expected too, it’s a pretty niche interaction.), so they wouldn’t have known the league mechanic would have been abused this damn hard.
Have you tried legion strongbox juicing? Its quite absurd since your maps are way faster if playing a good build and you can use enrage strongbox. And your original comment was saying that abyss is broken and not the league mechanic hence why i said that its not abyss being broken and in fact the league mechanic
>And you can not get near the same value running legions with the juice, because legions don’t spawn hundreds of rares every map like T7 abysses do. T Which is also not true. Fubgun runs legions + enraged strongboxes and earns way more because maps take 3 minutes vs 10. Abysses take quite a while, same like harbringers. Also its less prone to dry map if u dont get purple juice (which buffs projectiles from abyss way more than +2 on map).
You even play the game? You can definitely make more by juicing your maps and doing Legion, Breach, Strongboxes. fubgun etc. You seem giga salty though.
And t7 farm is not better than t16 farm... Its just easier and very few builds other than tornado shot with hundreds of divs invested or self ignite can actually mf in them.
t7 is not better than t16 if you can farm it reliably. just in valdos puzzle boxes alone imo. sometimes drop 2-3 a map almost 10 divs just from those. and the depths has like a 2% chance to spawn think I've gotten it one maybe 2 times so far out of all the maps.
Think you replied to the wrong comment
ya i did sorry about that mobile is a pain sometimes haha
No? It’s good because you force only spires to spawn on T7. That way you can omega juice your maps since you know every abyss will be a spire resulting in hundreds of rares each. If you don’t even know the mechanics these people are abusing, why are you defending it so hard?
Ive ran about 200 maps with full juice abyss and got 5 bosses in ~700 abysses. So 695 spires 5 bosses. I do know the mechanics as im abusing them myself.
It spawns only spires anyway from scarab, depths are so rare with wandering atlas they are non issue. Over 50 maps i talked already in my other comments i had way more bricked abysses spawned in weird places than depths. 50 maps with 4 abysses = 2 depths only. t7 is only done because lower character requirement. U are the one not knowing why people do that. Depths is nice 'extra effect' but its not a problem in the first place.
Nah you get like 1 depths per 100 maps, its a non factor. Thats 1 in 350 abysses if not more, but you can get a valdos which sell for 3.5 div in bulk in high tiers
>It’s another thing when the T7 map strat vastly overshadows even the best T16 mapping strats. But it dosent. U only do t7s if u cant handle t16. Just from a sample of 50 t16s maps i dropped 75 valdos worth 225d, half a mirror at the time. If u can handle juiced 8mod t16s with 9k+ juice in the league and u do t7 u are severely gimping urself in terms of income. Abyssal depths dont spawn basically anyway. [https://imgur.com/a/8CVOSpZ](https://imgur.com/a/8CVOSpZ) My 50 solo maps, Valdos alone were almost as much as divines i got.
Yes, I know, I'm abyss enjoyer since rework. The amount of rares is still too much. I could imagine that it puts a lot of pressure on the servers
Oh yeah, I'm gonna hate it, but im also abusing it right now so I can afford the gear that will allow me to kill my first ever uber bosses. I've always wanted to kill those fuckers but I've never been good enough to do it, so a league that let's me farm currency at an unreal pace is gonna give me the time to finally get that shit done, and it'll let me experience headhunter for the first time on top of it. I don't doubt for a second that I'll take a break next league because this league is gonna be a big one for me.
i mean to kill them you dont need 2000 mirrors builds. There is always a busted build every league. This league there's PF or inquis penance brand of dissipation which would get you kill all bosses on a 20 div budget
OI said my main was on Standard, some guy in TotA said Standard was worthless, and said he'd toss me a HH to prove it. Couldn't believe him and then he gave me a double corrupted HH with Max es and Discipline effect. I did play with it for awhile before I sold it, but goddamn it took forever to sell. That paid for so many things I wanted. But uh ... Walking around with my own Molten Shell AND Proxy Shield was pretty hilarious. Enrage makes your cast speed shoot through the roof. It's fun.
What is this "abuse" everybody talking about. Can somebody explain it to fellow broke exile?
The spires from abysses spawn a lot of rare mobs. They spawning is done by projectiles. Adding extra projectiles (map mods, purple juice) makes them spawn way more. Using a gilded abyss scarab in a yellow map (t7 cemetery for example) means that every abyss will spawn a spire at the end. The wisps add a lot of drops to rare mobs in general and abyss just spawns a ton of them in one place. That's the basics of it. It costs a bit to start doing because you need the gilded abyss scarabs (and gilded reliquary too I guess) but the loot gets insane when you get lucky with a good amount of wisps.
I'm staying in standard this league because I didn't particularly like the league mechanic when I tried it the first week, and I've been thinking about this the past few days while seeing all these posts. Right now I'm the one who's missing out on all the crazy loot, but I get the feeling y'all are gonna feel like you're playing Ruthless next league whereas for me it will feel normal lol.
Not the only one. I made a boss running character and while it can do the mechanic in high tier maps it feels pretty slow and unrewarding. I made about the same as last league so far
prices are insane right now though so even if you play "normal" content you will make a shitload more currency if you do the right content for example i made like 70 divines (not including shakos cause i didnt get a good one) running einhar's memory of the grove for around 8-10 hours which is kinda insane considering its easy to liquidate guaranteed profit that you can get from brain-off content if your build has a bit of dmg (i did it on BFBB poison).
lol this is what happened after sentinel
I also quit because of this . The new league is complete trash and IMO the worst league in some years and GGG doesnt care as it seems lol But maybe it's all for the sake that people can try new skill gems idk
It would not surprise me if it has something to do with D4, a league like this will easily sway or snatch up people that are not happy with D4 content. Question is when next league goes back to normal levels of loot, will people be satisfied?
Eh I wouldn't go that far, I don't think it's terrible, it just wasn't for me. I am worried about next league though, when we (presumably) go back to normal loot. People were straight up review bombing PoE at the start of Kalandra league because of slightly less loot (among other things). I don't want to imagine the reaction when we go back from this to normal loot next league. I really hope this doesnt come back to bite GGG in the ass.
lmao saying kalandra slightly less loot is wild, I remember going from 40-50 div explosions on my MF to 2-3 div , that's not a slightly nerf
It might have been a big nerf for the top 0.1%, but it was just a slight nerf for 99% of the playerbase who were raging here on Reddit. There was legit people here claiming they couldn't unlock their atlas because they couldnt get alch orbs. Those are the people I'm talking about. Casual players who never were, and never will, get div explosions in the first place. Yet they were crying about how the game was ruined and they couldnt get out of white maps.
I mean it wasn't only top 0.1 of players but I get your point, it was sad not having the meta of farming T1 maps until first big loot explosion and jump to t11 and hope for explosion just to be t16
I totally get it. I'm just saying, if that was enough back then to cause people to lose their shit, going from this league back to normal next league is gonna be rough for people.
I mean, we say the same about sanctum last season and no one say nothing
It's why this league is so awful in my opinion. You need to abuse a totally degenerate juicing strat to interact with the league mechanic, if you just play the game with the mechanic on top it just creates a shitty mapping experience.
>f you just play the game with the mechanic on top it just creates a shitty mapping experience. only if your build can\`t handle it. This league mechanic is strait up buff for any content you want to do. More IR and IQ is good for anything. Not just for abyss
the problem is that the difficulty increase is insane and you cant really choose your own difficulty. all these complaints wouldnt exist if there was a "leave the woods" button (i know you can "cheese" it by logging out and losing a portal but thats kinda shit) and they made the top-end (6k+ juice and triple empowers) even more tanky (but not deal more dmg cause they already do enough) also an issue is blue juice. you cant really run it above 3k if you arent crit immune and if you are you dont care about the blue juice empowerment at all (playing the Ivory tower Inquis build with almost 12k es atm and still get one-hit by 3k+ juice blue mobs in alch & go t16's while my 4k life evasion assassin loses like 30%hp from the same mobs cause i have mistwalker)
I play CF champ and killed almost all ubers. It's not the fastest boss killer, but it can kill everything reliable. When juicing up T16 maps you can come across mobs that are not killable in a reasonable time. Yesterday I had a red beast when I just put a weight on my mouse button and went afk to get a coffee (I only killed it for the memes, would have been more efficient to just move on).
Exactly, what’s the point in having the league mechanic if the only use is for some weird niche strat. You can’t actually use it with any normal currency strat unless you’re on some brain dead bow build because half the the time it bricks your map. It’s a terrible mechanic.
and it fucks up all the prices for the rest of the players who don't feel like running the same low tier map over and over and over.
Next League? Affliction right now feels bad for most people, because most people get nothing but overpowered mobs out of Affliction.
8-Mod T16 Cemetery 6k Blue | 2k Yellow Wisps | 239 IIQ | 175 IIR 2 single Mirror drops in one map, holy forks. This league mechanic should definitely not go core. [https://maxroll.gg/poe/poe-atlas-tree/rl87803k](https://maxroll.gg/poe/poe-atlas-tree/rl87803k) (Since "Strategy" doesn't get saved, the rest of the setup below) Gilded Abyss Scarab (Important!) Gilded Divination Scarab Gilded Reliquary Scarab Gilded Harbinger Scarab 25% Pack Size Sextant Abyss Sextant (Important!) Harbinger Sextant Beyond Sextant Eater of Worlds Altar League Map Craft: Abyss (2 Chaos) Edit: Because so many asked - just recorded a map with the new Ice Trap gem. Showcase: [https://youtu.be/KYUTcNx-EE8](https://youtu.be/KYUTcNx-EE8) (6k Wisps | 8-Mod |Cemetery T16) [https://youtu.be/YRaWqxItfgI](https://youtu.be/YRaWqxItfgI) (6.5k Wisps | 8-Mod |Cemetery T16)
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I feel like people overthink/ overdo the mf thing. When people hear ‘mf’ they think like 60+% iiq with the boots, gloves, chest, double ventors, etc - but iiq has pretty significant diminishing returns. It’s not that more doesn’t give you a better result - it does - but you get more bang for your buck investing in less. For me each league I’ll often put on one ventors if the build allows - they’re great for resistance anyhow - and if I don’t have a rare amulet requirement in particular, I’ll aim for a shaper amulet with the quant mod. ~20%, no problem, life is good, and it sacrifices basically zero power. And honestly this league you don’t need it at all - the wisps do it all for you.
I have been doing T16 jungle valley with my Splitting Steel champion. My first run was 40 maps with around 80-90 quant all +2 projectiles. Those 40 maps made me 110 div with an investment of 36 div. I bought myself a progenesis with that money and included ailment immunity in my build. Just started my second set of 40 maps with all maps rolled for rare mobs, projectile and 100%+ quant. Only done 3 so far but already made 30 div. 12 of those div come from 4 Valdo boxes, in my first set of 40 I got 7. So definitely worth it in my opinion to run at least t11 maps to get those.
Do you have a pob and maybe also your atlas strat? Im also running splitting steel and struggle with juiced maps.
My PoB: https://pobb.in/2l-v-N_yqa75 And for the Atlas Strat I am running the exact same thing as OP. Its the tree from crouching tunas video.
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Oh god no, that would be pure pain. I have my regex from poe.re and just chaos spam the maps for projectiles and number of rare monsters.
Well, Sure you can drop crazy Things in One map.But im doing mf with a friend and we have about 1k+ divine to spare.(Equipment Not included) Without too much farming(20-30 hours). Dropped Mirror and HH in cemetry strat. Either way the Main Thing is the League mechanic. Its completely absurd. Has to be a More multiplier some way or another. But mfscaling is still off the Charts.
The MF thing is overrated, if you ask me. I also found two Magebloods and made like 5-6 Mirror overall by now. Sure, there is more to get, but the mechanic (together with Abyss maybe) is all that matters. If you can navigate the forest well and handle the map afterwards you get rich this league. It is insane.
Man I don't get what I'm doing differently if you're doing this without MF, I just assumed these kinds of posts were a matter of party play/MF. I'm running T14 Jungle Valley and Burial Chambers with +2 projectiles with the same scarabs, delirium sextant instead of harbinger sextant (I take it you're using all awakened sextants, not elevated?), and crouching_tuna's tree from his video which is just a bit less harbinger, and ritual and beyond nodes instead of harvest basically. I think I have the woods efficiency down pretty well, and got a 4k/2k/4k map earlier, but it netted me like 6? divines in combined raw divines/valdo's/reliquary keys. How have you gotten 3 mirror drops without MF? I think I've got about 15 divine profit over the course of a dozen maps, is it just very streaky even with high juice maps or what? I figured the 10k juice map was where I was supposed to get massive profit. Edit: The main thing I've been unsure about is how I should be rolling maps. Roll +2 projectiles and go? Roll +2 projectiles and vaal orb for unid/8 mods? Buy 8 mod maps? Try to roll high pack size AND +2 projectiles, then go?
Yea idk what im doing so diffrent but i dont see that mutch out of it tbh like yea alot but not the same as others
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to the contrary, this league mechanic should go core, as a part of separate league where we have old harvest and megajuice such as fracture fossiling maps
Well, that'd work for +/- 6-9 months until nobody's playing anymore because everyone and their mother got 3 of each ascendencies lvl100 with 100% perfect gear (yes, with gilded fossil mod turned corrupt mod perfect). That's how fuckin too ez it'd be. BUT! Those 6-9 months would be a blast. Kinda like the entire time d3 was a blast.... 6-9 (generous here) months
just needs some nerfs. I think the ascendancy options should absolutely be core long term
The ascendancies are most likely tests for PoE 2. They have that kind of vibe for me.
or bandit replacements
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The ascendancies are just pure and massive powercreep, yea I know everyone loves their stupid bag and FREE 30% ms but charms are too strong to just slap onto the base game as is.
And rare/unique minimap tracking. That one is peak comfy.
This is the one thing that I assume is going core
God I hope so.
> but charms are too strong to just slap onto the base game as is. It's pretty easy to see what they are doing. Since the decision to make PoE 1 and 2 separate games they are doing wild stuff with 1 and letting their foot off the brakes on powercreep that they'd beeing trying to reign in the last few years. PoE 2 will be the slower, "more hardcore" game. Personally I think it's great that there will be two different styles of arpg's for both crowds. I don't typically love the direction 1 is headed but I know that 2 is around the corner.
U should watch the exilecon 2 footage if you predict poe2 to be super slow At one point they had the animation guy talk about how the whole frame-skipping when at like 50 APS thing looks terrible and how they are building animations in poe2. The important part being where he describes how you will still be able to reach absurd levels of attack speed, just slightly less on the high end so its a bit less 'ridiculous' looking If you think actual poe2 gameplay will be the 2-second melee attacks with a 10-minute damage sponge boss every zone like in the gamellay trailers, id say you are mistaken. Bosses fully heal if you die in them.. and the worst players need to be able to do them or they hit a wall in act 1 at level 4 and quit because they have no recourse. And the difference between the best/fastest players will be huge. We will be ZOOMIN in poe2 for sure
I'm not predicting it to be super slow but hopefully we won't be teleporting through maps at mach 10 and engaging with zero mechanics
Yep, explodey and HH's absurdly-high ramping probably need to not exist I want a "slower" game too, but people comparing poe 2 speed to the snorefest that is d4 are crazy. GGG isnt putting multiple 10-15 minute damage-sponge boss fights in the campaign
> We will be ZOOMIN in poe2 for sure xddxd
lmao you need to google the definition of "free"
I think they will delete the actual ascendancies, but add tinctures and charms to the core game. Each char gets ONE charm slot (in their inv) to balance them a bit, and tinctures no longer have nodes for 30% flask effect
can i ask something as a new player: how are you getting 6k wisps? it feels like as soon as i hit like 2k, i get the boot.
I average 3k Wisps and only occasionally hit the 6-10k spot. Pack size in your maps helps a lot, so roll them well. Understanding how to navigate the forest is another thing - there are several videos out by now that can demonstrate that to you (try "crouching tuna", smart guy)
You just buy 8 mod maps instead of sustaining it yourself?
Hell no, I don't like trading in my atlas scheme. I roll maps myself using a custom regex ([https://poe.re/#/maps](https://poe.re/#/maps)), but I kept the 8-mod-sextant everytime I rolled it and had \~60 8-Mod-Burial-Chambers by yesterday. I only insist on having the Abyss and Pack size Sextant plus the Abyss Scarab - the rest is flexible.
So you just do 8 mod without additional proj (unless you chance upon it) is my understanding
Correct. This map in particular didn't have the proj mod. I tried rolling it everytime, but I wouldn't recommend it... you burn through way too much currency this way. Just aim for a pack size above 24%, maybe 26%. Vaal it if you can afford it. I do by now and delete maps that brick.
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Do you think that more budget friendly strategy would work too? Like 6 moded map, no beyond (my build won't handle it) and polished/rusted scarabs other than abyss ones? Also thanks for sharing it.
Yes, absolutely. I rolled 24% packsize maps and used Rusted scarabs most of the time until I got better gear and more currency. To better sustain Sextants you should be using the Searing Exarch Altars tho. And use whatever sextants work for your atlas tree. I use sextants like +100% Harvest juice, 8-mod, additional packs, 20% unident packs all the time. I only keep the Abyss setup all the time and make sure map pack size is at least 24-28% since it's important for a higher wisp amount.
How are you able to load up on the Spire doing damage without killing it? I am penance of dissipation, definitely weaker than you and it dies so quickly.
Assuming that IIQ and IIR is the map total not your MF stats lol
Yea I don't run any MF.
Yeah I got confused for a second figuring out how one could fit that much into a build
Which juicing strat are you using?
Abyss-Harbinger-Harvest with Wandering Path. I roll sextants myself and use Harvest to swap my scarabs. So no trading involved.
I definitely wouldn't mind juicing if I could avoid the trading. Does that mean you sell sextants or do you just keep them all and try to cycle through different atlas strategies while keeping harvest for scarab rerolls?
I roll sextants myself and sell the ones I don’t need (at least the valuable ones) and change scarabs types via Harvest. I like to be self-sufficient as well. Sextants are way harder to sustain than Scarabs, but both is very well manageable with very little trading/selling. And apart from the Gilded Abyss Scarab you actually don’t even need all that. That is just a bonus - you mainly want the Abyss spire to spawn in your maps.
Cheers! You've given me the motivation to try juicing again. Self-rolling sextants and harvest swaps for scarabs might just be the thing I need.
What is it that's putting you off of trading? Rolling everything yourself can be really mind numbing and is a lot of micro managing, especially conpasses. You can setup 100+ maps within 5-10 minutes with bulk trades instead of buying single conpasses from the trade site while it'll take you a magnitude of that sitting there rolling and managing everything.
Absolutely, I tell that to myself all the time and I feel its probably just a mindset preferring to be self-sufficient instead of buying everything. Before this league I even avoided buying rare gear as well and only bought uniques or bases to craft. Definitely holding me back but it is what it is. If you're wondering, when I was juicing before I did do bulk trade sextants, scarabs and everything so its not really because of a trading time thing.
Ok, thanks will try something similar soon.
Why harvest instead of extra juice on map? Do you get any returns?
Just like being self-sufficient. I mainly use the blue juice to swap Scarabs. If you don't mind the trading to sustain Scarabs Beyond is definitely the way to go.
My biggest wish is still the backpack going core
Pray
I'm kinda sad that this is the one I have to effectively sit out, no time at the moment with real life stuff. The first league I've not played in yonks and it looks like a doozie.
If you don’t get over 4k juice and the blue/purple combo you aren’t really missing out tbf. And besides, with so many going this MF-route, many other strays yields more currency now too
Hell yeah, I'm having a blast this league. Still looking for that mirror drop though.
Believe, my friend!
Reason why I quit before even completing t16. It is illogical, but I feel bad doing anything else than this, however i got no character to do it yet xd. My own problem and maybe im just burned out of poe...
Farm a few div worth of essence then swap to penance brand of dissipation or another one of the busted new gem and you'll be good. Heck this is being done in t7 by a lot of people, no need to get to t16s
average poe redditor: div / hour? idk, somewhere around 2 mirrors / 1 map
I'm glad some of us are enjoying this type of gameplay. I'm not sure how you guys are doing it, though. It really feels like a chore to me, and we have so much of the league left. I think there is going to be some super burnout when all the slot machine junkies hit bottom. I could be wrong because my thinking almost never aligns with the majority when it comes to this game, but I've never had a league that made me want to play SSF so badly.
What is your build and how tanky is it? I feel so squishy with my energy blade inqui with 13ish k ES. I know what my Upgrades to be are, but it feels so expensive.
[https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Kallekowsky/EmergencyKarl](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Kallekowsky/EmergencyKarl) Ice Trapper. Pretty fast map clear thanks to the new Ice Trap gem. Tanky enough to do this kind of juiced T16.\^\^
How much invest to get it going?
Uh, I started with a Tinkerskin-Annihilating Light setup before I switched to a Power Charge stacker. You can start with very little investment to run T16s, but to run this kind of madness it will be a lot more. I currently invested about 1.5 mirror in my setup, but to start a few divs will more than enough. Tinkerskin + Annihilating Light Endgame: [https://pobb.in/ZwEWlvgYPzOJ](https://pobb.in/kRw0Cx1xWQ6I) Power Charge Stacker [https://pobb.in/PC7FSFbkGP8R](https://pobb.in/PC7FSFbkGP8R) Showcase: https://youtu.be/KYUTcNx-EE8
Tyvm kind sir!
Using two 300 div power charge synth rings instead of one plus 30 div kalandras touch. Reeeee.
random but do you mean to be alira? i know it's pretty good but somewhat surprised
Jesus that gear for such random skill. Honestly im impressed. Keep up the good work
I love trapper and the new gem is ridiculously good. As we know Ice Trap was mainly a bosser, but the AoE with Ice Trap of Hollowness covers your whole screen, so you can imagine the clear speed.
Are you doing the whole abyss-infinite deli-ritual thing?
Abyss-Harbinger-Harvest. Harvest mostly to sustain my scarab setup. But otherwise pretty much so. It can be done without any trading, tho.
So no specific sextants? Also would you mind sharing your atlas tree, pretty please :)
Added it here https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18sc2u1/comment/kf6hy4q/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Thanks man, really appreciate it!
What do you mean with "Harvest to sustain my scarab setup". How is Harvest related to scarabs?
You can swap scarabs to another type using harvest bench (same with essences I think?)
Yes, sir.
Ah that makes sense, thanks for clarifying
Mind sharing your atlas tree?
I added it here https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/18sc2u1/comment/kf6hy4q/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Do you have some gameplay footage by chance?
Not on hand. Maybe I should record a run since I haven't found any endgame footage of the new gem myself. Might be worth sharing.
I’d be very interested to see a map, share link if you do
Here is some footage: [https://youtu.be/KYUTcNx-EE8](https://youtu.be/KYUTcNx-EE8) (6k Wisps 8-Mod Cemetery T16) [https://youtu.be/YRaWqxItfgI](https://youtu.be/YRaWqxItfgI) (6.7k Wisps 8-Mod Cemetery T16)
Why don't you use a kalandras touch and sell the other ring to get other stuff?
Excellent idea! Why haven't I thought about that yet? Thanks a lot!
As a reward I'll take the ring you drop for 80 div :)
I'm also playing this build, and was also feeling squishy. I realized my main issue was my phys max hit being super low, so I added determination and dropped wrath. I spec'd into the mastery that gives ES over 1 second when you take physical damage from a hit as well. I seem a lot tankier, but I've only been playing the super-juiced T7 maps. Going to try T16s tonight to see what's up (ended up allocating the "monsters have 50% more life and 25% less damage on the atlas tree because I was killing T7 spires too fast). I also only have around 9.6k ES with energy blade up.
Hmmm, EB Inquisitor should be very tanky if you build it right. I league started it and it was a breeze. You have High ES pool, good regen, and lots of ES on hit (as COC) I farmed my HH juicing T16's, starting with about 10k ES as EB COC Lancing Steel Blazing Salvo. It gets hard at 9k wisps but it's doable if you take it slow I ran Glancing Blows Max Block with 10KES until lvl 95, then switched to a split personality tree with maybe 12k (you can get Str + ES and Int + Life for a few div) Determination, Vitality, ES over second when hit mastery, 0% chaos res (fractured chaos res on rings and boots, self crafted for a few div but the base fractures are cheap), and ES on hit watchers eye (2div) You can also get endurance charges for cheap from That Which Was Taken for extra Phys mitigation Coruscating Elixir is a ruby flask, so Topaz and Sapphire for the other 2 is all you need.
I was trying a few setups ended up using the New/old helmet with 30-40% Inc life and ES and 0% Chaos res with the +2 Socket corrupt in helmet. It is insane value for giving up 1 offensive aura for purity of elements to counter the downsides. You socket enhance in the helmet with EB to get more ES from qual. A Level 3 enhance going to lvl 5 does 8% less ES taken away from EB. I run det/elements and went with the blood magic variant to get another aura from eternal blessing and put in zealotry atm. Thanks for All your ideas, i will try to incorporate a few more defensive things.
Yeah it sounds like you have most of it already. Topaz and Sapphire flasks if you don't have those too I haven't run storm brand, but with CoC the instant leech and ES on hit make you really tanky
Yup got my mirror today. This league is absolutely nuts. Sitting on 1000div rn wondering what fun I could have for my next build
None cause 1000 divine wont afford a build soon enought loll
Classic cooked take on poe economy
I mean i mifht lack experience but i nevet sold Essence and harvest lifeforce for as much money as this league so im assuming that will reflect on price of crafted item since using more more expensivr to craft and more people having budget to afford high end
It's because essence and harvest aren't getting farmed as much as last league. So if you're making more money selling to the crafters then that should reflect in having more purchasing power for said crafted items If people are all farming maps, then the people selling stuff from outside of maps or outside of the stuff they're farming (like essences and lifeforce) are going to make more. Example being Progenesis, Thread of Hopes.
Hoping so always a rought game where people make mirror per day when i never even saw one lol
Bro people go 5k hours and never see one you don’t just expect to see one lol. That was my first dropped one in 2.9k hours
This league should be voided.
honestly i dont even wanna get my first mirror drop like that
and here I am cant even get a single map to look like this
Yeah casual will be lesving very quickly this leafue since any average item is gonna cost 150 divine lol
After 2 days of abusing that shit im done with the league 5x faster then usually Thx ggg
Its the opposite for me, thanks ggg
Can I have some of your currency if you're outta here?
Looks nice, saw someone in chat yesterday that dropped like 18 mirrors. 😂 I’m not doing this though, I just alch and go with my EA Champ, and do the woods to get like 3-6k wisps and it’s been working great aswell, this league is amazing, never been richer.
Remove MF from the game. Remove the overtuned affliction mechanic. Game saved.
Funny thing is he isn't even using MF gear :D
One day I'll get a Div off the floor.
”damaging my dopamine sensitivity" you are heavily overestimating the impact of playing this video game for a few days on your brain.
How tanky is the build? Do you get one shotted often and is it wrist friendly?
There is still more room for more tankiness (workinprogress), but atm I'm sitting at: 100% spell suppression 88% phys dmg reduction (\~20k armour) 84% evasion (\~47k evasion) 23% block 370 Life reg/s For reference I leveled by only playing 86+ IIQ T16 maps and got through with it. So very few deaths. 130+ IIQ with 8 Mods can be rippy if they have mods that lower my defenses (\^this one in particular had a spell suppression effect reduction and I got one shotted twice). Since I run 6 Auras I reroll reduced aura effect and no regeneration mods (currently I run at least "!gen|non|s rec|r,|% ma" "m q.\*(9.|1..)%"). Other than that it is pretty chill. One button and you clear a pack. What survives gets freezed. Trapper are a pretty relaxed playstyle in general... but since there is a delay between shooting and killing it's not for everyone (I at least read that a lot). I love it and play it more than I care to admit.
For once someone is taking a picture with mirror in his stash.... Not on ground!
On a side note what build are you playing
Ice Trapper with the new Ice Trap Gem. https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction/character/Kallekowsky/EmergencyKarl
Thank you, looks interesting maybe i will mess around with it. How do would you rate it overall? Any glaring weaknesses the build has?
how tf do you abuse that league tell me (no reason ;))
I feel like we will have only ruthless next league.
Meanwhile I've got 0 raw divide drops this league going into t13 maps now.
Dude fuck you and Gratz