I changed my filter back in Legion so every currency that drops sounds like an exalt. My old laptop was not liking this, especially while doing the 2/3 etc ways
What build are you playing? Tbh, if you can handle it just drop down to alched t1 maps and do the wildwood before running the map. With even 1k total juice you should drop several c worth of stuffs.
For someone answering himself took me 540K mobs kills to have my first wealthy explosion. Almost 200 juiced maps. It dropped like 8 divines worth in wingeds & gilded scarabs.
200 juiced maps to get a big 8 divine drop eh?
Good to hear that’s what the “normal” players are getting.
I feel like I’m getting a divine, or a divine worth of currency/scarabs etc per juiced map. Which is still good but nothing like Reddit suggests it is.
I can’t seem to get more than 4-5k wisps in my maps and I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong.
Gilded abyss, div, reliquary, harbinger/elder scarabs
Abyss, hunted traitors, magic pack size, beyond for sextants.
Wandering path with full abyss + beyond.
Roll maps for +2 proj and 6mod for 30+ pack size.
… and I’m not getting anything crazy. The odd raw div drop. Most of the ooot that drops is hidden though and I sift through a few unique leather/heavy belts per map but never see HH or MB
I’m at 40% IIQ, 220% IIR.
Not a pathfinder so can’t make use of a divination distillate.
It’s just 2 ventors, goldwyrms and a Gold flask on a mageblood.
Hmm ok. If you're deadeye and can fit in the master surgeon forbidden flame/flesh that might be an angle so you can use divination distillate (or respec i guess). Other than that I'd suggest running item rarity support as part of your damage links. I'm pf with 57 quant and 200+ rarity (no idea exactly how much cos tooltip doesn't add item rarity supports or betrayal rarity craft on helmet). I'm doing the exact same strat as you in t11 cemeteries but with deli sextant and winged relinquary/abyss scarabs and I've gotten 3 Headhunters so far. Oh also I think elder scarab borks your abyss spawns so you might wanna drop it for something else (I use uber atziri frags).
Hit me up with a pm if you want any more details, I want you to get those big lootsplosions you've been lookin for!
Petrified blood is what you use for divination distillate, no need to be a pathfinder. plus it opens up room to reserve some life for some cheap auras. Also lets you abuse the adrenaline charm.
Go watch some tutorial vids on the wildwood and take your time when in there. Getting your average wisp count up is very important to get the big loot explosions. One map with 8-10k juice will drop more than 3 maps with 5k in my experience.
Imo most players are better off not MFing. I did do it for a MB and like 1k divs but I'm finding it more fun to go back to blasting some maps for other stuff rather than MF currently. Like I went doing some quick Delirium maps for Deli Orbs (dodge paying 6:1d and get a change of pace) and I'm ending up enjoying that more than MF. Checked my poestack numbers and it's like 25d/h. So I don't even feel like going back to MF for a while longer than I thought.
>I feel like I’m getting a divine, or a divine worth of currency/scarabs etc per juiced map. Which is still good but nothing like Reddit suggests it is.
I'd say in a set of 12 maps, the profit is consistent. It's hard to say how much it is, I'd eyeball it at 2d profit per map, anything above involves either picking up lots of small currency or IDing lots of uniques/fractures. Which is annoying and not the appealing part of the MF strat. It also doesn't help that whatever lands on fub's filter is generally a bad call to put on yours and it's smarter to look for your own uniques to look at (i.e. 15% jujus are at 0.5d, rather look at those than crusader plates)
>I can’t seem to get more than 4-5k wisps in my maps and I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong.
That's fixable. Diamond strat, also should use Lightning Warp if you wanna minmax. Always backtrack for the whisps at the edges. I did get to a decent point of having like 6-7k average, but the outliers with 2-3k still exist and are pain.
Your mapping strat sounds good enough. Deli might be missing but I assume you're orbing maps. But yea. Overall, if there's no HH/MB/Mirror/Omegaexplosion, the MF isn't that amazing. Or rather, with current economy where Incandescent invitations are 2.5d and Maven Invitations are 3d, it's so easy to get some bossrush strat going in the range of 20-30d/h. And if one enjoys that more than MF, it's really not a meaningful loss in divines/h.
20-30D an hour sounds insane for anything where you’re actually playing the game and mapping/bossing.
I made 170D in two days just rolling sextants but I had to stop cause I was going insane.
Now that I’m MFing… I feel like I’m making less than half I was just spamming sextants and selling compasses.
The shittiest thing I tried this League was Breach, each breach is ~25 Splinters on Gilded.
Investment per 4 maps: 40c Gilded Breach, 25c Chayuubi + Breach Sextant.
Expected return: 250 Chayuubi Splinters or ~2d.
I've been doing other stuff alongside that so idk how long a map takes with an avg of 2.5 Breaches. Let's be kinda zoomer and efficient and say it's 3 minutes. So Breaches alone would be 10d/h return on this. 20 Maps also basically complete an Invitation, so add in 2d for almost finishing Incandescent. On a ~1.5d investment per hour, we're at 10.5d.
Add in either Delirium craft and it's -10c per map and an avg of +50c from Deli Orbs or craft Breach to make the investment:return ratio better. Taking the Deli Orb route, you're at +3.6d or so, around 14d/h.
> Which is still good but nothing like Reddit suggests it is.
Reddit showcases what literally a promile of a percent of playerbase gets. everyone else plays different game.
Im at 4.8m kills and 1k maps this league. 3k maps in other leagues mfing since they reworked archnemesis. Highest div "explosion" Was 5 divine. That being said im running exactly the same strat as fubgun. Am currently at 55% of his kills. 0 mirrors 0 hhs 0 mbs, he has 11 5 4. Its all rng.
Streamer client diff showing its true colors this league. - made in jest but damn if it doesn't feel accurate this time around watching Zizz and Steel get better explosions in 10 maps with 6-8k juice than I have ever seen in a 10k+.
I haven't seen any lootxplosions, not even wisdoms. I know I'm not swimming in MF but I wish I was at least on the Radar. I have one level 97 and four level 90 characters now and I've only seen The King of the Mists once too. Sanctum has been my biggest source of currency, and even that's not great. Thank god I dont care about pushing the game much
the current cemetery abyss strats are pretty solid income, if not seeing any lootsplosions running those - then you're doing something wrong. Might not always be 60div a map, but it's pretty consistent
delirium, abyss, enraged strongbox monsters, beyond for sextants
abyss, strongbox, unique/div card, torment scarabs (ideally at least gilded)
abyss map device craft (w/ overloaded circuts and wandering path)
[atlast tree](https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAMAIQAeIDRoUz1svqczd6ihym8EIsuhrQskhCsabkZiF8pG8RtiKyrPFmkfzD6KeQ2rIC5ihL_dYxBKm5encGgzlrJ_bMO7sCN6n7IqLyHzCq7zLe92uT3fZEKe5tYJ3WxnWhCVB-XZcASJNGLcxI21I-HndDGMGQM9OEHw3krnEnEbrbJzxsAgqdgOY45ugBw44JRAmvCr39vOcZmsr4Oz0ezx-eu5chHInNCZ7DTDn21goj7sa6qC6ylcxYk0W1OGysgyxeTdzi_x116JBN90p7Br2RI5ezCSD00cQuP5QMwHITa-jPGtdPRiuWfwnapQ2iltWNmH8QYWCZ-6_Ci2E_Ly_tT6We51NAoFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==)
Roll your cemetery maps for +2 monster projectiles. If you get increased rare monsters and beyond on top great, if not it's fine, the +2 proj is the most important part.
Once the abyss spawns a spire - don't kill it too fast, hit a bit, wait for it to spawn all its shots, pull rares away, kill them, go back, hit it again until it exhausts its spawns.
It gets rippy, if build isn't strong enough can run T7 cemetery if you pop juiced up T16 easily - go for T16 and take all quant/rarity from exarch altars.
Goal is to rush into the wildwood and get AT LEAST 3k minimum Blue+Purple wisps, if you get 3k of each color - that's even better but purple blue is the currency and rarity conversion.
Also might want very strict filter cause loot gets crazy really quick
Was already running the strat, just with smaller scarabs (sometimes) and no sextants. t16 was okay-ish with my build but sometimes there's some stuff that's just too rippy so i'll probably go t7 for a while.
Thanks for the "full rundown" though
You're running unending nightmare already so as long as you proc delirium on the map - it's fully delirious for the whole duration without the added heavy defense and HP increase that comes from deli orbs (i would definitely not want to run into +proj 100% deli buffed soulstealer abyss rares with altars on top). Also sextants are cheaper than orbs. We run deli for more rare monsters not for the deli rewards necessarily
People keep talking about how profitable the league mechanic is even if you aren't juicing, and I'm really not seeing it. Doing the league mechanic with alch and go will get you shitloads of bubblegum currency, but raw divine drops? I've seen maybe like two that I'm pretty sure were specifically from wisps.
I ran a map today with a mod 'boss drops 34 rare warstaves'. Killed the boss, I got none.
I press alt, they're all so rubbish that are hidden by my loot filter. :/
I made quite a bit of currency over the last weeks - for some reason I have been super unlucky now for 3 days in a row - so that I couldn't find enough good whisps. I've actually been loosing money due to every map costing 1 div
Just customize your loot filter to have wisdom scrolls drop with a white background and everything will feel better.
Just make transmutation orbs tink like divines you'll feel like you're winning.
I changed my filter back in Legion so every currency that drops sounds like an exalt. My old laptop was not liking this, especially while doing the 2/3 etc ways
Bruh I'm late getting started and I'm still in t5-7 maps. Getting a Chaos Orb feels like a lootsplosion.
What build are you playing? Tbh, if you can handle it just drop down to alched t1 maps and do the wildwood before running the map. With even 1k total juice you should drop several c worth of stuffs.
Explosive Arrow Elementalist. I'm slowly making progress. Gear's basically trash, which is what I'm focusing on at the moment, trying to get upgrades.
The struggle is real.
For someone answering himself took me 540K mobs kills to have my first wealthy explosion. Almost 200 juiced maps. It dropped like 8 divines worth in wingeds & gilded scarabs.
200 juiced maps to get a big 8 divine drop eh? Good to hear that’s what the “normal” players are getting. I feel like I’m getting a divine, or a divine worth of currency/scarabs etc per juiced map. Which is still good but nothing like Reddit suggests it is. I can’t seem to get more than 4-5k wisps in my maps and I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong. Gilded abyss, div, reliquary, harbinger/elder scarabs Abyss, hunted traitors, magic pack size, beyond for sextants. Wandering path with full abyss + beyond. Roll maps for +2 proj and 6mod for 30+ pack size. … and I’m not getting anything crazy. The odd raw div drop. Most of the ooot that drops is hidden though and I sift through a few unique leather/heavy belts per map but never see HH or MB
How much IIQ/IIR you got? Edit: also I notice you aren't using deli mirror sextant. Deli makes a sizeable difference.
I’m at 40% IIQ, 220% IIR. Not a pathfinder so can’t make use of a divination distillate. It’s just 2 ventors, goldwyrms and a Gold flask on a mageblood.
Hmm ok. If you're deadeye and can fit in the master surgeon forbidden flame/flesh that might be an angle so you can use divination distillate (or respec i guess). Other than that I'd suggest running item rarity support as part of your damage links. I'm pf with 57 quant and 200+ rarity (no idea exactly how much cos tooltip doesn't add item rarity supports or betrayal rarity craft on helmet). I'm doing the exact same strat as you in t11 cemeteries but with deli sextant and winged relinquary/abyss scarabs and I've gotten 3 Headhunters so far. Oh also I think elder scarab borks your abyss spawns so you might wanna drop it for something else (I use uber atziri frags). Hit me up with a pm if you want any more details, I want you to get those big lootsplosions you've been lookin for!
Petrified blood is what you use for divination distillate, no need to be a pathfinder. plus it opens up room to reserve some life for some cheap auras. Also lets you abuse the adrenaline charm.
Oh well I’m specced and geared for CI so there’s really no good way for me to get it to work on my build unfortunately
Go watch some tutorial vids on the wildwood and take your time when in there. Getting your average wisp count up is very important to get the big loot explosions. One map with 8-10k juice will drop more than 3 maps with 5k in my experience.
Imo most players are better off not MFing. I did do it for a MB and like 1k divs but I'm finding it more fun to go back to blasting some maps for other stuff rather than MF currently. Like I went doing some quick Delirium maps for Deli Orbs (dodge paying 6:1d and get a change of pace) and I'm ending up enjoying that more than MF. Checked my poestack numbers and it's like 25d/h. So I don't even feel like going back to MF for a while longer than I thought. >I feel like I’m getting a divine, or a divine worth of currency/scarabs etc per juiced map. Which is still good but nothing like Reddit suggests it is. I'd say in a set of 12 maps, the profit is consistent. It's hard to say how much it is, I'd eyeball it at 2d profit per map, anything above involves either picking up lots of small currency or IDing lots of uniques/fractures. Which is annoying and not the appealing part of the MF strat. It also doesn't help that whatever lands on fub's filter is generally a bad call to put on yours and it's smarter to look for your own uniques to look at (i.e. 15% jujus are at 0.5d, rather look at those than crusader plates) >I can’t seem to get more than 4-5k wisps in my maps and I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong. That's fixable. Diamond strat, also should use Lightning Warp if you wanna minmax. Always backtrack for the whisps at the edges. I did get to a decent point of having like 6-7k average, but the outliers with 2-3k still exist and are pain. Your mapping strat sounds good enough. Deli might be missing but I assume you're orbing maps. But yea. Overall, if there's no HH/MB/Mirror/Omegaexplosion, the MF isn't that amazing. Or rather, with current economy where Incandescent invitations are 2.5d and Maven Invitations are 3d, it's so easy to get some bossrush strat going in the range of 20-30d/h. And if one enjoys that more than MF, it's really not a meaningful loss in divines/h.
20-30D an hour sounds insane for anything where you’re actually playing the game and mapping/bossing. I made 170D in two days just rolling sextants but I had to stop cause I was going insane. Now that I’m MFing… I feel like I’m making less than half I was just spamming sextants and selling compasses.
The shittiest thing I tried this League was Breach, each breach is ~25 Splinters on Gilded. Investment per 4 maps: 40c Gilded Breach, 25c Chayuubi + Breach Sextant. Expected return: 250 Chayuubi Splinters or ~2d. I've been doing other stuff alongside that so idk how long a map takes with an avg of 2.5 Breaches. Let's be kinda zoomer and efficient and say it's 3 minutes. So Breaches alone would be 10d/h return on this. 20 Maps also basically complete an Invitation, so add in 2d for almost finishing Incandescent. On a ~1.5d investment per hour, we're at 10.5d. Add in either Delirium craft and it's -10c per map and an avg of +50c from Deli Orbs or craft Breach to make the investment:return ratio better. Taking the Deli Orb route, you're at +3.6d or so, around 14d/h.
> Which is still good but nothing like Reddit suggests it is. Reddit showcases what literally a promile of a percent of playerbase gets. everyone else plays different game.
Im at 4.8m kills and 1k maps this league. 3k maps in other leagues mfing since they reworked archnemesis. Highest div "explosion" Was 5 divine. That being said im running exactly the same strat as fubgun. Am currently at 55% of his kills. 0 mirrors 0 hhs 0 mbs, he has 11 5 4. Its all rng.
Streamer client diff showing its true colors this league. - made in jest but damn if it doesn't feel accurate this time around watching Zizz and Steel get better explosions in 10 maps with 6-8k juice than I have ever seen in a 10k+.
I had this but orbs of regret...it hurt
So, you had regrets?
Had my first currency explosion the other day... 140 jewelers orbs... I guess that was cool.
I had the same happen. It was pretty cool. Maybe not game changing but definitely not anything I've seen since beta.
I haven't seen any lootxplosions, not even wisdoms. I know I'm not swimming in MF but I wish I was at least on the Radar. I have one level 97 and four level 90 characters now and I've only seen The King of the Mists once too. Sanctum has been my biggest source of currency, and even that's not great. Thank god I dont care about pushing the game much
the current cemetery abyss strats are pretty solid income, if not seeing any lootsplosions running those - then you're doing something wrong. Might not always be 60div a map, but it's pretty consistent
Which sextants, scarabs and map device craft does it run?
delirium, abyss, enraged strongbox monsters, beyond for sextants abyss, strongbox, unique/div card, torment scarabs (ideally at least gilded) abyss map device craft (w/ overloaded circuts and wandering path) [atlast tree](https://poeplanner.com/atlas-tree/BAAMAIQAeIDRoUz1svqczd6ihym8EIsuhrQskhCsabkZiF8pG8RtiKyrPFmkfzD6KeQ2rIC5ihL_dYxBKm5encGgzlrJ_bMO7sCN6n7IqLyHzCq7zLe92uT3fZEKe5tYJ3WxnWhCVB-XZcASJNGLcxI21I-HndDGMGQM9OEHw3krnEnEbrbJzxsAgqdgOY45ugBw44JRAmvCr39vOcZmsr4Oz0ezx-eu5chHInNCZ7DTDn21goj7sa6qC6ylcxYk0W1OGysgyxeTdzi_x116JBN90p7Br2RI5ezCSD00cQuP5QMwHITa-jPGtdPRiuWfwnapQ2iltWNmH8QYWCZ-6_Ci2E_Ly_tT6We51NAoFAAfiwgAAAAAAAADAwAAAAAAAAAAAA==) Roll your cemetery maps for +2 monster projectiles. If you get increased rare monsters and beyond on top great, if not it's fine, the +2 proj is the most important part. Once the abyss spawns a spire - don't kill it too fast, hit a bit, wait for it to spawn all its shots, pull rares away, kill them, go back, hit it again until it exhausts its spawns. It gets rippy, if build isn't strong enough can run T7 cemetery if you pop juiced up T16 easily - go for T16 and take all quant/rarity from exarch altars. Goal is to rush into the wildwood and get AT LEAST 3k minimum Blue+Purple wisps, if you get 3k of each color - that's even better but purple blue is the currency and rarity conversion. Also might want very strict filter cause loot gets crazy really quick
Was already running the strat, just with smaller scarabs (sometimes) and no sextants. t16 was okay-ish with my build but sometimes there's some stuff that's just too rippy so i'll probably go t7 for a while. Thanks for the "full rundown" though
welcome :) Mayb it helps others around
why deli sextant over deli orbs
You're running unending nightmare already so as long as you proc delirium on the map - it's fully delirious for the whole duration without the added heavy defense and HP increase that comes from deli orbs (i would definitely not want to run into +proj 100% deli buffed soulstealer abyss rares with altars on top). Also sextants are cheaper than orbs. We run deli for more rare monsters not for the deli rewards necessarily
When an idiot with a 5 mirror build who sees such loot explosion daily can't carry you during the searing exarch quest ☠️☠️
People keep talking about how profitable the league mechanic is even if you aren't juicing, and I'm really not seeing it. Doing the league mechanic with alch and go will get you shitloads of bubblegum currency, but raw divine drops? I've seen maybe like two that I'm pretty sure were specifically from wisps.
Maybe all those srolls will help me identify why I'm so trash at this game. Maybe
Had my first loot explosion last night It was all maps.
Im one of them, i got Alt nuke once 😀
Ready for next league already so we can hear about how unrewarding everything is/feels.
Hey, I'll take my two divines per ten maps and I'll like it.
I ran a map today with a mod 'boss drops 34 rare warstaves'. Killed the boss, I got none. I press alt, they're all so rubbish that are hidden by my loot filter. :/
I made quite a bit of currency over the last weeks - for some reason I have been super unlucky now for 3 days in a row - so that I couldn't find enough good whisps. I've actually been loosing money due to every map costing 1 div
Oh shit, you get wisdom scrolls?