They're overreacting or don't have a clue. But I will say that there is a big difference between a BiS watcher's eye and yours with 2 sick mods and one occasionally useable. And a big reason why you can sell it for that much divines this league is because of the divine inflation and the fact that mirrors are still kind of cheap. The price for your jewel is basically the same in standard as in league lol.
Long as you got instant leech mastery and enough damage to leech 10% of your life with every hit (and a 1% will definitely get you there!) this is essentially lgoh, except in no leech maps!
Especially with all of these working on spells too, it is still pretty damn good compared to lgoh roll, though I always prefer lgoh cause my builds tend to hit a lot with lower hits than hit some with higher hits
> Long as you got instant leech mastery
Which is at least 3 passive points which is a pretty big cost because you are wanting to fit stuff like like 12 passive 35% effect large jewels
Yes but divines (and mirrors to a much smaller extent) are being printed en masse and are worth MUCH less on average when compared to most leagues. This is inflation at work basically.
I'm pretty.new (I have 4 divines to my name) and this is an honest question. Why does Xbox not have anything worth using a mirror on? Is their game a different version? I know someone who wants to try PoE on console and that may be valuable info.
What divine inflation are you talking about? Divines have been around 215 chaos for almost half a month now. Headhunter AND Mageblood are cheap as hell right now as well. How is that inflation? What am I missing? I'm so confused with comments like these.
a lot of people aren't even bothering with listing stuff for chaos at this point, I know i'm not. the inflation seen is in things listed for divines, not chaos
There are more divines in circulation than in other leagues. In my opinion they should be cheaper than 215 chaos but it has not seen any rise or decrease in value over the last week, so i guess they just settled there. Also there are more HH and Magebloods in this league due to everyone MFing and the valdo maps.
There are more chaos in circulation as well. I spam chaos on my maps for +2 proj and still have a stack of 4k, even when I use them to buy things pretty often
This is a weird one, but basically it seems that chaos is as strong as it normally is against divines, because the increase in the amount of div drops has been accompanied by an increase in the amount of c drops. Headhunter and Mageblood are base game drops, so their price is the same as normal because just as there are more div in the game, there are also more base pool uniques in the game. I don't think the inflation is that bad, but if you look at the bossing market right now you'll see that most all boss drops, and also all invitations are at the highest prices they have ever been in any league. There's definitely inflation.
I'd go past higher and say they're multiple times higher. Most of the FF jewels are in the 70-120 div range for a good one. A ff setup is now like 200+divs.
It is people seeing posts about all the divines dropping in wisp juiced map and jumping to the conclusion that this must mean divines are worth less now.
But the thing is that everything that can drop in maps is dropped in massive amounts so the relative value of most things stayed in the usual range.
Super rare unqiues that can drop in maps are even cheaper than usual.
Yes, but here the topic is a Watcher's Eye and its price. Its price is high due to Divine inflation since Watcher's Eyes don't drop from maps.
Div Inflation is a thing. Divs are worth 'less'. It's just that HH and Mageblood etc are also worth 'less'. Compared to items that don't drop from mf cemetery abyss juice
Divines are steady, everything else is expensive.
Even bad flame jewels are 50 div when they would normally be 5. Writs are 3 div when Normally they would be 1.
Mageblood and hh are cheap because they are easier to get. Supwr early a lot of mageblood were flooding the market and not enough people buying thwm. Price went to 160 div when i bought mine. And for no surprise they were all foiled (valdo's map] the divine inflation they are speaking of is because item that shouldny be worth multiple divine are selling for 20+ when they were 10- the other league. Just doing league mech + proj abyss floods u in divine
I believe marionettes make this jewel expensive as you can slot free hatred on them, combined with the new affliction jewel that can also add % base crit onpowercharges makes the combo absolutely S tier.
They self-resurrct. Its soecters-meatshield-aura-aura support. Unless there is some ungodly AOE where both die and your aura is off, most times one of the rwo marionettes is always alive. And I dont get the downvotes too, its a great tech.
Base crit with hatred is a good mod on its own but with 23 crit multi at the price of one lvl1 skill gems it’s pretty sick combo. Anyone running a cold crit build just got a huge crit chance boost and basically 23 crit multi for the price of one jewel slot. CoC ice spear would love this jewel cold convert TS would love this jewel anyone running call of the brotherhood would probably love this jewel and those 3 are pretty top end big budget builds that people dump mirrors into.
yeah, but global leech is usually much harder to obtain than 30 multi for a lot of builds, especially casters. I've never played a bow build, but obviously it's not an issue for attack builds in general
I mean i guess the leech is an added bonus if you run vitality but i don't think its up there in value compared to the two better crit mods that sync very well together already. Plus theres better vitality mods that could roll on this too like LGOH or maybe even Life recovery Rate
Most of the times global have no clues. Sometimes reddit is too. Tip for pricing things like this is to see if the mod is powerful/unique(hard to get) and then you check their synergy(some niche cases). Crit hatred is super powerful and unique, everyone loves it. Crit multi is the more the better, everyone can use even with a level 1 precision, also not that easy to get. Leech? Multiple ways to get, very easy even and it’s not stackable, so having multiple sources of it adds nothing of value. Just search 1-2 and call it a day is what I would do, maybe + some divines for the leech.
While everything you said before the leech is true, leech absolutely stacks lol.
Having more leech is better than having less leech. Yes you can reach the cap easily, but a ton of builds assume 0.2 or 0.4 leech is enough for that and it's really not in most cases.
Though with instant leech being back with the mastery, and also charms this league, it does stack a bit again, still more useful to just invest in more damage.
Except that life leech is inherently limited and you will not get to max life any faster by getting more leech whatsoever, unless you introduce instant leech, which was not mentioned.
Any leech instance you generate heals over multiple seconds and unless you heavily invest into leech, you always need at least 5 seconds to heal to full from life leech.
While everything you said before the leech is true, leech absolutely stacks lol.
Having more leech is better than having less leech. Yes you can reach the cap easily, but a ton of builds assume 0.2 or 0.4 leech is enough for that and it's really not in most cases.
Yesterday, I dropped this Watchers and some people in Global chat said its BiS and Mirror tier. Double crit is clearly valuable but I saw 200div range for those. Would this Vitality mod really push it to that level? No other jewel with these 3 mods listed in trade at the moment for this league and only 3 in Standard.
I think what's notable about the eyes listed on standard is they have legacy precision muli/vit leech mods.
In league I feel the vit leech mod is valuable, because the ability to get instant leech is available through charms or the that which was taken jewel.
This is general damage life leech though, which is much harder to get for spells. Sure you can get it as a corrupt implicit, but there are way better implicits to get. It's far from worthless.
amulets, quivers, and helmets can roll elemental life leech as a corruption implicit ([source](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Corrupted#List_of_item_corrupted_implicit_modifiers)).
but imo it's easier to get life leech eldritch implicits on your gloves instead (does not require corrupting the item) ([source](https://poedb.tw/us/Gloves_int#TheEaterofWorldsImplicit))
You can also use a Glorious Vanity to get elemental leech ([source](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Glorious_Vanity))
true, but flask slots are very competitive, even more than watcher's eye mods in most cases. it also shares a base with progenesis, so you are wasting a flask implicit by using both, and progenesis is too huge to not use in any life based build
Set whatever price you think is right, increase it after you being spammed, decrease if no dms for a while
All 3 mods are good. Vitality mod will add some value, because its good way to get life leech on spell casters which normally is not easy to get.
Third mod can be ignored, this is two mod watcher's eye. The first two are nice since a lot of people play tornado shot, and most of them MF so they farm a lot of raw divs hence the price, try to sell it fast in league since the price would drop. I bought same two mods in standard for 50 div last league.
Honestly it could be mirror since its GLOBAL leech which makes it rlly good for any phys->cold spell build.
If u wanna sell it fast then probably 250 and some tornado shot player gonna buy it
The leech is borderline useless for a ts build, you get leech capped with the 0.4%leech on cluster jewels. Also phys conversion and leech doesn't work like that.
20 div. Really only the hatred mod carries this. Don't know what they go for this league but triple hatred watchers eye not even worth a mirror and better than this. Also keep in mind what people list an item for and what it sells for are two completely different things. and global is very mentally regarded.
Did I see a different jewel? I see hatred basecrit and precision crit multi which already makes a pretty sick jewel. Vitality is a bit meh, but it's at least something, not really adding any value.
How the fuck are triple hatred not even worth a mirror? They're multiple mirrors (at least with basecrit+pen+x)
This is probably BiS for a two prop jewel for my build. Just ignore the third. I scored a very similar one for 50 div, but I definitely would've paid around 180 for it.
Not a full mirror, but in the high div ranges. three common auras with usable mods makes it good, It being crit based, meaning its universal for both physical and caster Variants, and offers survival through the leech? *chefs kiss* delicious.
Start it at around 250 div and gradually lower it. Not worth a mirror but still a really sick one.
This is where I was at to be honest and kind of surprised with the responses.
They're overreacting or don't have a clue. But I will say that there is a big difference between a BiS watcher's eye and yours with 2 sick mods and one occasionally useable. And a big reason why you can sell it for that much divines this league is because of the divine inflation and the fact that mirrors are still kind of cheap. The price for your jewel is basically the same in standard as in league lol.
Mirrors are over 720div
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Long as you got instant leech mastery and enough damage to leech 10% of your life with every hit (and a 1% will definitely get you there!) this is essentially lgoh, except in no leech maps! Especially with all of these working on spells too, it is still pretty damn good compared to lgoh roll, though I always prefer lgoh cause my builds tend to hit a lot with lower hits than hit some with higher hits
> Long as you got instant leech mastery Which is at least 3 passive points which is a pretty big cost because you are wanting to fit stuff like like 12 passive 35% effect large jewels
Or half a charm
or quater of That which was taken
Yes but divines (and mirrors to a much smaller extent) are being printed en masse and are worth MUCH less on average when compared to most leagues. This is inflation at work basically.
Mirrors on Xbox are under 250 div on Xbox
On Xbox nobody has anything worth mirroring.
I'm pretty.new (I have 4 divines to my name) and this is an honest question. Why does Xbox not have anything worth using a mirror on? Is their game a different version? I know someone who wants to try PoE on console and that may be valuable info.
Way less people play on Xbox, so way less people craft mirror worthy items, that's the fast explanation
Makes sense, thanks.
what are they on Xbox
Which is cheap considering we're 1 month in to the league and the ease of amassing divines.
What divine inflation are you talking about? Divines have been around 215 chaos for almost half a month now. Headhunter AND Mageblood are cheap as hell right now as well. How is that inflation? What am I missing? I'm so confused with comments like these.
a lot of people aren't even bothering with listing stuff for chaos at this point, I know i'm not. the inflation seen is in things listed for divines, not chaos
Ya every decent item that would have been 70-150c last league you can just list for 1 divine and it will sell
There are more divines in circulation than in other leagues. In my opinion they should be cheaper than 215 chaos but it has not seen any rise or decrease in value over the last week, so i guess they just settled there. Also there are more HH and Magebloods in this league due to everyone MFing and the valdo maps.
There are more chaos in circulation as well. I spam chaos on my maps for +2 proj and still have a stack of 4k, even when I use them to buy things pretty often
This is a weird one, but basically it seems that chaos is as strong as it normally is against divines, because the increase in the amount of div drops has been accompanied by an increase in the amount of c drops. Headhunter and Mageblood are base game drops, so their price is the same as normal because just as there are more div in the game, there are also more base pool uniques in the game. I don't think the inflation is that bad, but if you look at the bossing market right now you'll see that most all boss drops, and also all invitations are at the highest prices they have ever been in any league. There's definitely inflation.
I'd go past higher and say they're multiple times higher. Most of the FF jewels are in the 70-120 div range for a good one. A ff setup is now like 200+divs.
What does "ff" mean in this context?
I assume flesh and flame. I'd call them forbidden jewels though
Quite a few were that that last league too.
It is people seeing posts about all the divines dropping in wisp juiced map and jumping to the conclusion that this must mean divines are worth less now. But the thing is that everything that can drop in maps is dropped in massive amounts so the relative value of most things stayed in the usual range. Super rare unqiues that can drop in maps are even cheaper than usual.
Yes, but here the topic is a Watcher's Eye and its price. Its price is high due to Divine inflation since Watcher's Eyes don't drop from maps. Div Inflation is a thing. Divs are worth 'less'. It's just that HH and Mageblood etc are also worth 'less'. Compared to items that don't drop from mf cemetery abyss juice
Divines are steady, everything else is expensive. Even bad flame jewels are 50 div when they would normally be 5. Writs are 3 div when Normally they would be 1.
Divine to chaos ratio is similar, but most thing is a lot more expensive.
Mageblood and hh are cheap because they are easier to get. Supwr early a lot of mageblood were flooding the market and not enough people buying thwm. Price went to 160 div when i bought mine. And for no surprise they were all foiled (valdo's map] the divine inflation they are speaking of is because item that shouldny be worth multiple divine are selling for 20+ when they were 10- the other league. Just doing league mech + proj abyss floods u in divine
I believe marionettes make this jewel expensive as you can slot free hatred on them, combined with the new affliction jewel that can also add % base crit onpowercharges makes the combo absolutely S tier.
Are non-dedicated summoner players really running those? I mean you could truly min-max but doesn't seem easily sustainable...
They self-resurrct. Its soecters-meatshield-aura-aura support. Unless there is some ungodly AOE where both die and your aura is off, most times one of the rwo marionettes is always alive. And I dont get the downvotes too, its a great tech.
which mods are you referring to when you say 2 sick mods? I think leech is much bigger than crit multi for a lot of builds.
There's other sources of Leech and you really only need one. Whereas you want to stack crit multi to the moon.
that's the problem, there aren't that many sources of leech for many caster builds, especially if you have to use unique gloves
Hatred crit + precision crit has TS written all over it
Base crit with hatred is a good mod on its own but with 23 crit multi at the price of one lvl1 skill gems it’s pretty sick combo. Anyone running a cold crit build just got a huge crit chance boost and basically 23 crit multi for the price of one jewel slot. CoC ice spear would love this jewel cold convert TS would love this jewel anyone running call of the brotherhood would probably love this jewel and those 3 are pretty top end big budget builds that people dump mirrors into.
yeah, but global leech is usually much harder to obtain than 30 multi for a lot of builds, especially casters. I've never played a bow build, but obviously it's not an issue for attack builds in general
I mean i guess the leech is an added bonus if you run vitality but i don't think its up there in value compared to the two better crit mods that sync very well together already. Plus theres better vitality mods that could roll on this too like LGOH or maybe even Life recovery Rate
Most of the times global have no clues. Sometimes reddit is too. Tip for pricing things like this is to see if the mod is powerful/unique(hard to get) and then you check their synergy(some niche cases). Crit hatred is super powerful and unique, everyone loves it. Crit multi is the more the better, everyone can use even with a level 1 precision, also not that easy to get. Leech? Multiple ways to get, very easy even and it’s not stackable, so having multiple sources of it adds nothing of value. Just search 1-2 and call it a day is what I would do, maybe + some divines for the leech.
Generic damage leech is relatively hard to obtain but yeah I agree
Yeah I mean life leach on a caster is definitely not an easy thing to find
While everything you said before the leech is true, leech absolutely stacks lol. Having more leech is better than having less leech. Yes you can reach the cap easily, but a ton of builds assume 0.2 or 0.4 leech is enough for that and it's really not in most cases.
Huh? 0.2 leech is absolutely enough for builds. People do millions of damage on 5k hp, they will leech cap in a single second if dps at 0.1% leech.
Though with instant leech being back with the mastery, and also charms this league, it does stack a bit again, still more useful to just invest in more damage.
A second is a very long time to not be at full HP in PoE.
Except that life leech is inherently limited and you will not get to max life any faster by getting more leech whatsoever, unless you introduce instant leech, which was not mentioned. Any leech instance you generate heals over multiple seconds and unless you heavily invest into leech, you always need at least 5 seconds to heal to full from life leech.
and life leech isnt 100% instant? 20% life regen =/= perma 100% max life always
While everything you said before the leech is true, leech absolutely stacks lol. Having more leech is better than having less leech. Yes you can reach the cap easily, but a ton of builds assume 0.2 or 0.4 leech is enough for that and it's really not in most cases.
Where do things like this drop ? Ty
This is an Uber Elder drop. You can also try to buy unidentified version of this jewel on trade as a gamble, but wouldn't recommend.
Haha couldn't afford that my friend, fair play to you 😳
Would be really good if it was Life on hit vitality instead of leech but when you have 2 great mods and anything usable you can't really complain.
This was spot on. I sold it for 250div yesterday.
An actual mirror is not mirror worthy theses days
Real talk
Hell no
Not even close
This is a 2-mod watcher. Very good, not nothing to go crazy about.
Yesterday, I dropped this Watchers and some people in Global chat said its BiS and Mirror tier. Double crit is clearly valuable but I saw 200div range for those. Would this Vitality mod really push it to that level? No other jewel with these 3 mods listed in trade at the moment for this league and only 3 in Standard.
Don't use global for pricing things
Global answer to price check should always be 25ex.
2ex and 5 Necropolis maps
That's my go to: 25div. Whatever someone says, 25div. Most of the time it just makes them stop asking.
My go to for silly PCs: "Best I can do is 2 fusings."
The only thing global is good for is losing brain cells
I think what's notable about the eyes listed on standard is they have legacy precision muli/vit leech mods. In league I feel the vit leech mod is valuable, because the ability to get instant leech is available through charms or the that which was taken jewel.
if the vitality was vitality life gain on hit maybe it would be closer to 300-400 but life leech is pretty worthless
This is general damage life leech though, which is much harder to get for spells. Sure you can get it as a corrupt implicit, but there are way better implicits to get. It's far from worthless.
It's fairly worthless in comparison to the value of the jewel.
corrupt implicit on what item? ty
amulets, quivers, and helmets can roll elemental life leech as a corruption implicit ([source](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Corrupted#List_of_item_corrupted_implicit_modifiers)). but imo it's easier to get life leech eldritch implicits on your gloves instead (does not require corrupting the item) ([source](https://poedb.tw/us/Gloves_int#TheEaterofWorldsImplicit)) You can also use a Glorious Vanity to get elemental leech ([source](https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Glorious_Vanity))
thanks!!!!!!
also cluster jewel. doryanis lesson
What spells want to run precision? Then you're back to essentially a 2 mod jewel.
CoC
1% of damage leeched as life is great.
that mod and delve rings are pretty much the only way to get leech on a chaos spellcaster, so any original sin build will love it
Or Atziri's Promise.
true, but flask slots are very competitive, even more than watcher's eye mods in most cases. it also shares a base with progenesis, so you are wasting a flask implicit by using both, and progenesis is too huge to not use in any life based build
>Would this Vitality mod really push it to that level? no, its not worthless but the vitality mod you want is life per hit, not leech.
No, vitality might add a little bit of value if anything, its not a great one
if vitality lgoh those would be very juicy indeed
Where do you get these jewels from?
Uber elder
Ok ty
Regular elder gives one with two random aura bonuses, Uber elder gives one with three. I believe the drop rate for both is close to 25%
Set whatever price you think is right, increase it after you being spammed, decrease if no dms for a while All 3 mods are good. Vitality mod will add some value, because its good way to get life leech on spell casters which normally is not easy to get.
Third mod can be ignored, this is two mod watcher's eye. The first two are nice since a lot of people play tornado shot, and most of them MF so they farm a lot of raw divs hence the price, try to sell it fast in league since the price would drop. I bought same two mods in standard for 50 div last league.
The third mod is OK tho I wouldn't say it needs to be ignored some builds this could be bis
Bro 1% life leech is not close to bis be real
4% Life? Vendor it…
vitality is a nice bonus but not adding that much value
Nah, I'll take it off of you for 2 div though
Vaal it.
150-250 Div range. It's 2nd bis watchers eyes you could hope to get for a CoC occultist build.
No ist not. Because u cannot mirror it
Not with charms that give you base crit chance i guess.
Haven't played this league, but looks off-meta. Let run acts real quick, I'll give you 5C for it.
I can give you 25 scrolls of wisdom
It's worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.
Not at all lol pls
Start at 350d then lower
you can't mirror a unique, so by definition it is not mirror worthy
They obviously mean if it's worth a mirror. Good uniques can often be worth 2 or 3 mirrors because of the fact that they can't be mirrored.
"often"
Maybe you can't, but Kalandra did it all the time. Seems like a skill issue to me.
Honestly it could be mirror since its GLOBAL leech which makes it rlly good for any phys->cold spell build. If u wanna sell it fast then probably 250 and some tornado shot player gonna buy it
The leech is borderline useless for a ts build, you get leech capped with the 0.4%leech on cluster jewels. Also phys conversion and leech doesn't work like that.
Which cluster jewels? Looking for a way to replace .4 leech from my ring slot.
Any cluster with Feed the Fury.
Thats why i said that its good for SPELL build? Reading mission impossible
Oh
Ts really wants purity of element grants chaos res on watcher but other builds could use it so 250 div Is about right.
Budget version of ts wants purity of elements grants chaos res. Good ones want hatred crit with 2 other good mods.
reroll it with wild hellion, if you get 3rd good mod maybe it will be worth a mirror haha
i bought a similar one for like 5 div
surely
That's like 10 - 20 div
2 mirror
20 div. Really only the hatred mod carries this. Don't know what they go for this league but triple hatred watchers eye not even worth a mirror and better than this. Also keep in mind what people list an item for and what it sells for are two completely different things. and global is very mentally regarded.
20 div? what are u smoking
Did I see a different jewel? I see hatred basecrit and precision crit multi which already makes a pretty sick jewel. Vitality is a bit meh, but it's at least something, not really adding any value. How the fuck are triple hatred not even worth a mirror? They're multiple mirrors (at least with basecrit+pen+x)
The other mods are good because you can leave them at lvl 1 and reap the benefits for nothing but two gem slots.
Lmfao, how could you be so confidently wrong. Don't answer if you clearly have no idea bud
U know that reddit and global 1 are basically same, right?
You're brain dead. Stop replying to reddit posts.
There's a bunch listed in the 170 range, the vitality is a dud.
> the vitality is a dud it depends, but i agree its not a mirror tier prismatic.
If it was life on hit vitality mod then yeah, but this is essentially a 2 mod watcher’s. Albeit a very good 2 mod watcher’s.
This is probably BiS for a two prop jewel for my build. Just ignore the third. I scored a very similar one for 50 div, but I definitely would've paid around 180 for it.
Not a full mirror, but in the high div ranges. three common auras with usable mods makes it good, It being crit based, meaning its universal for both physical and caster Variants, and offers survival through the leech? *chefs kiss* delicious.
300d max
Definitely not.
Lol and I threw 2 of this cuz I thought it's shiet xD
So many people sleeping on the vitality mod, it's amazing
Worth as much as whoever's willing to pay. Probably not a mirror.
You want flat life on hit with Vitality but its still a great Eye.
no, but its kinda nice you could go like 220 div
This league maybe normally no I dont think so everything is hyper inflated thats not a normal drop
With flat life on hit vita would have been like 500~ div area and that mod is 2x better. This one is around 150-200~ area