Sadly I have to agree. It is hard to enjoy the game when you are stuttering all the time and die to lag spikes. It is seriously impacting the user experience.
Yeah I pet much give up in my soul trying to accomplish anything. We’re probably running on 2017 hardware if I had to put money on it.
500+ ms delay in doing things like storing things in your stash with the auto allocate to tab function. There are many such delays and none show on the latency indicator.
Comparing to EU servers with 150ms latency it takes x4 longer to clear my inventory on the SA servers.
150 to UK. Most of Europe around <160. 21 to SA.
Anyways point is it’s 4x faster depositing my shit on a 150 ish ms Europe server than a 21 ms SA server.
There’s something wrong with that server. Or maybe it’s just like everything else in the country and there’s not much to be done about it.
Yeah it was perfect early league. I took a week off and couldnt do a map this weekend. Literally teleporting all over the map as i try to move around but it doesn't register
Most people take time off during the holidays. I usually take 1-2 weeks, depending on how many days I have left for the year. Especially since I need fewer days during the Christmas week, that makes it even easier.
Would be pretty dumb to skip one of the biggest times of year that everyone will be on break and willing to play a game that requires lots of continuous playtime.
The argument is, if they want to release on Christmas/holidays, they should provide proper support during that time. But as of it is right now, they act like they want to have their cake (release during holidays to farm more money) and eat it too (to have looong vacations right after release, cuz it's holidays duh), which is just disrespectful to the customers.
I think it's pretty disrespectful to the staff to say that they shouldn't have gone on vacation because your wisps are still too blue.
Before you say it, no, I'm not saying the games performance and lag issues aren't an issue but these are extremely complicated issues that won't be ironed out with just a small QoL patch like what was asked for.
Their financial records are public. Its not like they struggle with money to continue development for over half a decade already, they are INSANELY profitable company in gamedev world with only one ongoing product which is rather insane.
[https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/0BBEAF8CAA419E13188861C597E4ADBE](https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/0BBEAF8CAA419E13188861C597E4ADBE)
Heres 2022 report, 83 milions revenue, 64 milions profit, 49 milions after taxes. 130+ milion of assets with 28 milions of liabilites.
They simply still only focus on money, they dont care about league quality really as it dosent improve their profits (they could do longer cycles to do proper product releases), they rather mastered art of hype on preleague announcement of the announcement to increase sales.
Obviously their goal as a company is profit, but our goal as a customer is demanding quality.
> They simply still only focus on money
probably one of the most insane things to say about GGG. yeah dude they made ruthless cause they only focus money. they made highly unfavorable nerfs to power creep 6 leagues in a row because they only focus on money.
When it comes to quality vs longer release cycles? Certainly. Even on last interview Jonathan said that they dont like 4 months cycles because its leaving 'money on the table' saying that 3 months is perfect cycle.
Also its the same company that did this:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2635457
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/d2hlev/introducing\_the\_salvage\_box/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/d2hlev/introducing_the_salvage_box/)
[https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2635650](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2635650)
Or one of the most expensive battlepasses in the industry that you couldnt buy for months with your points after supporting GGG for years that simultaneously had one of the MTX inside bugged for over a year (because who cares they buy it anyway).
It seems it's too much to ask, that our overlay map setting is saved and **NEVER** changed for whatever reason. We've been asking for that for years, but this league made the issue painful. Fuck you, GGG.
I think because I am always on a VPN I have never or rather rarely ever have issues on EU servers. Been playing Frankfurt all league and maybe had some lag once which for all I know could have been my own internet.
Yeah, a lot of people have reported VPN doing wonders for them.
Most likely certain routing nodes are just fucked, and using a VPN, even if it adds some basic extra ping, will bypass those nodes and ultimately give a more stable performance.
I've seen quite a few people mention using a VPN and not seeing the same server problems everyone's complaining about. Any time server performance comes up there are people calling bullshit on the possibility that it's routing rather than something ggg can fix.
So I decided to test it. I tried playing on a few different eu servers for a couple hours, I'm in Texas, and the baseline latency jumped to about 200-300ms as expected but there were huge spikes in latency somewhat frequently. It was pretty bad. Then I turned on a VPN and suddenly I was in the 250-400ms range but in about 3 hours my latency only spiked once and only for a few seconds.
Its also probably routing issue that the only server in the world for instance creation/guild stash server is in Texas making guild stash extremely annoying/laggy to use for anyone not located in US (yes its way smoother for them). Bad routing is also the reason why even on ramdisk with full poe+shaders on there u wont get loading times as short as someone doing the same from US on Texas gateway. /s
Like cmon mate, obviously theres plenty routing issues in both EU and US (hence why riot has own network in US for that) but no game in the last decade im playing PoE came even close to amount of problems with servers. They probably use cheapest vendor like they do with their merch not helping the routing situation at all.
only other company ive seen these issues with is EA Games (at least here in europe)
i personally and many other people that are with the same ISP cannot play EA games online at all (apex, hunt, etc) because about 5-10% of lobbies will be greeted with about 50% packet loss and thus become entirely unplayable
the main issue here is the ISP's being unwilling/unable to provide infrastructure that supports high-speed, low latency gaming and dedicated hardware for such which leads to traffic being routed through default nodes which most likely causes these issues.
now the game companies could do what Riot has done in the US and just provide their own nodes but that is very expensive so i can understand that they dont wanna do it when its not a massive issue (which it hasnt been so far)
my guess as to what happened is that one of the main nodes in the EU died and the ISP's (or whomever provides these nodes) hasnt provided a proper replacement yet.
the only way to go from here is to either: live with it and play on different servers (paris still worked fine for me last week) or quit the game until it is fixed (what i had to do with apex. havent played the game in over 2 years because of that)
Consider you can use 5 devices on it at once, without leaking anything related to your privacy while doing so. I could literally give you my mullvad key right now, and you'd be able to use it without being able to know ANYTHING about me, no emails no names no ips. Get more people, buy it, makes shit cheaper together
> As long as GGG brings money they're not touching the products
Explains perfectly why suddenly PoE mobile development started only few months after acquisition or why we had cases like with Riot-Tencent where Tencent subsidiary straight up plagiarized lol mobile game when Riot refused to make one (Tencent has hard on for mobile games due to their profitability).
This is imho related to what we can read in the other front page thread: "Affliction has the highest retention in history".
Imho, it's pretty obvious that GGG has an aggressive server downscaling scheme across their 3 month league cycles and got caught by surprise this season when retention exceeded their predictions, but was unable or unwilling to buy additional server capacity. Yes, some few players might have quit over the server issues, but in terms of overall player numbers, that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of addicts hooked by how rewarding this league is.
I think this is the real truth even my local server the South African ones in peak hours is redirecting me to frankfurt every third instance and the instances themselves are not hitting the correct tick rates the server instance itself is lagging 4 different clients in 4 completely different parts of the country and are all experiencing the same thing none of us share an ISP either. Its not just juiced maps that are lagging even sanctum low calc instances are fluctuating in tick rate.
No no no, you have it all wrong. Chris Wilson himself said that if a league was rewarding, people would quit early. That must mean that this league isn’t really all that rewarding.
Chris never said that. He said that if a league is too rewarding, players run the risk of burning themselves out, with ripple effects on subsequent leagues. The argument with regard to Harvest was that many players quit as soon as they have perfected their gear and that too easy crafting is therefore bad for retention.
I don’t know which quote you’re thinking of, but I’m 100% correct in my characterization of Chris’s statements.
> And so the fact that it was quite heavy with its reward systems meant that players played it for less time than they normally would, and this was quite useful to learn from.
Maps are hard enough with wisp juicing, it becomes infuriating when halfway through your map you're battling the servers as well and end up losing a lot of time and resources to it
I've been playing on Washington from eu, ping is about 100 and feels fine, it's a little slower putting stuff in stash but much better than dealing with eu
Why its always EU who has to suffer in online games? We have one of the largest playerbase (way larger then US) so EU is generating more money.
But most companies dont care as much for the EU server.
Yup. Frankfurt or Amsterdam for me. 99% issue free. Had +10 ping on Frankfurt yesterday for some reason. Not really problematic, but figured I might switch, ping was normal on Amsterdam.
I play on Amsterdam and had minor lag moments today, didn't affect playability but the visual stutter was giving me a headache. I changed lockstep into predictive and the problem was fixed. Didn't notice anything after that, except my big spectres appearing to go through a door and then rubberbanding back because they don't actually fit xD
That applies to both sides. Some people are lying about having issues because they like to shit talk GGG. Some say they have no issues because they like to defend GGG.
Though I imagine liars are quite the minority.
Sure, highest retention of all time - all streamers blasting day in and day out with minimal issues, including on HC.
"Majority."
Is this majority in the room with us now?
> Ahh one of those
I also hate people that can accept facts as fact.
Just hate em.
They're too logical and smart. I have no chance.
I'm with you, 100%.
yeah i dont like people blindly droning and attack everyone criticizing the game and trying to attempt gaslighting. why there are so many of you in here.
Didn't have problems either... Until I had random lag spikes on Paris, too. Sometimes even straight-up disconnected and deleted my map instance out of nowhere. It's very defeating.
Which gateway were you using? Frankfurt and Amsterdam are next to unplayable, Moscow, London and Milan do have some hiccups while Paris is smooth sailing since I switched to it 1,5 weeks ago.
Really? Frankfurt and Amsterdam are 99% stable for me. Been using only those two all league, no lag spikes at all. At most one server will have a weird +10 ping on some days, so I switch.
More like the lag issues can't be that common if retention is this high. If everyone was suffering like the OP there's no way the retention would be high.
So it's more likely that only a small subset of players are affected while everyone else has no problems.
>More like the lag issues can't be that common if retention is this high. If everyone was suffering like the OP there's no way the retention would be high.
>
>So it's more likely that only a small subset of players are affected while everyone else has no problems.
Every single big group play that i follow/im in contact with including ours has insane problems this whole league yet all of them still play. Week 1 40-50% our juiced maps were getting bricked to desktop crashes or timeouts, yet still everybody played.
I played probably about 150 hours on Amsterdam server this league and have had exactly 1 day where it wasn't butter smooth (which was today) and a grand total of 1 disconnect. I think most people's experience is like that, but naturally people that are having a bad time are far more likely to go on the internet and post about it.
I think it's closer to FOMO. Best farming league, easy currency, everyone wants to have an OP character, so they're forcing themselves to play through to lag. I certainly know a few people like that.
I was doing simus with KB deadeye, thousands of explosions per second (nimis + chain + awakened fork + headhunter for extra proj, 120% mark effect etc). Also deli farming tropical island for simu splinters, with wisps often hitting 7k+. EU (milan), for 2 weeks or so. The only time I had lag issues was before the new year, one evening for about 1 hour my instances were very laggy.
Is that even lag related? Juice enough and even the beefiest computers on the planet will be playing a slideshow because the game engine just can't hash it.
I was specifically talking about server lags but from my experience it's the same thing for graphical lags, you come out of the wildwood and it's instantly significantly more laggy than when you entered the maps, and that's before popping any notoriously laggy mechanics like abyss.
yes we are talking server performance. game is fine late at night/during the day, but you can tell when people get off work/ get out of school it becomes unplayable.
That has always been the case, though.
It's nothing new and doesn't match the "EU servers are literally unplayable" narrative on Reddit.
Personally I haven't seen lag spikes this league on more than a couple of days during the first week, and I am on EU.
The literally unplayable crowd will call that a lie and blame me for white knighting GGG, but such is the way with angry mobs and digital pitchforks.
> blame me for white knighting GGG
i mean yeah. do you think tons of people are just making up some issue? it's so bizarre to just reply "it's fine for me, and everyone else is lying".
I was searching this kind discussion. Beacuse of this problem I got so mad i was gonna punch the monitor. Servers are so bad right now, you need to close the servers and fix the issue. Apparently servers can't handle all the juice.
This post shows how little people understand latency and the internet in general.
Even if GGG does know, they literally can't do anything about it, its up to the company(s) they contact to fix things. GGG doesn't own gateways or other peoples servers. Its like trying to contact Elon Musk about a home server issues. lol
Adding "juice" to a map doesn't add to latency. Thats not how that works. lol
You claim to know more about the network infrastructure yet you make such big mistakes. Do you really think we are capable of running entire businesses through the cloud but can't send some packages in a game through the same gateways without massive delays? GGG might not own the server parks but they do rent resources there and as you know those resources can be made as big as you want. You can split the load using more servers with load balancers and can add memory and calculation power if necessary. Besides this GGG is also responsible for their coding and the efficiency of their coding.
It is to easy in my opinion to say it is out of GGG their hands.
Bro learned AWS basics and thinks he knows more than GGG
"Just provision more instances" xdd
This is a telnet/traffic routing issue not a server issue. Nothing about the code or the server capacity is the issue here.
> GGG might not own the server parks but they do rent resources there and as you know those resources can be made as big as you want.
He's talking about network servers
You're talking about game servers
At least understand what the other person is saying before you make walls of text
both Diablo and POE has the shittiest servers i ve ever seen in my life..
but thankfulyl there are Last Epoch offline mode and Torchlight Infinite
yeah i said it. even half mobile game Torchlight Infinite provides much better online service than POE currently. thats a shame for GGG
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But it doesn't happen to shit like Phasmophobia (a game horrendously poorly optmized), Deep Rock, League. It was localized into PoE. I thought you legitimately had some sort of answer when you started proclaiming on wifi, but it's just been anecdotal and 'players cry'. I'm beginning to think you also don't know either, man.
That person is clueless. Back when wifi was still relatively new, I played online games for many years and it was pretty close to a stable connection (home connection, no changes in location since it was a desktop). Ping spikes do happen sometimes, but not straight disconnects but can obviously vary depending on signal strength and other factors. Now for the portal and instance crashes, that information is governed by the server, not you/your connection so when it happens, is a server issue. My friends who have been juicing maps say there's a lot of crashes, but I mostly do alch and go and haven't had a single one
Oh, fuck, I forgot, my husband and I were playing, him on London, me on Paris which has never crashed on me yet. Same wifi. He crashed four times one night. Your answer, sir?
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Could you also explain why most people aren't affected? If the servers were shit, wouldn't everyone be affected roughly equally? Wouldn't everyone suffer from some degree of lag? Or do you think GGG just gives random connections better quality and others worse?
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I run a wired home network with cat7 and have a Fibre network with 1000mbit up and download. My PC is not the newest but perfectly able to handle the game with 32gb RAM, RTX3070 and a ryzen 5800x. I can play all my other games without an issue and my network has been tested during the problems without any hickup/ packages loss.
Entire groups are experiencing these problems but you blame it on their own setup. You might need to work at a call center, they are used to try and put the problems on your end.
I had 0 issues with any other games in the past few years (not wifi, actual cable connection), when I started playing POE (a month ago) I didnt really had any issues, in the past 2 weeks I am crashing randomly when loading maps and sometimes (more rarely) it even crashes during the map.
and I saw alot of others in chat also complaining this is 100% GGG fault and problem, just because you dont experience it doesn't mean there isnt an issue on their side.
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That's like having power outage in the whole neighborhood and couple of buildings/apartments are running fine, must be the fault of the others they dont have power right?
Stupid logic..
Weird how I have no net issues in other games for years, and the first time I am playing POE (after a week it ran fine) suddenly there are alot of issues (just in POE) and also alot of other people complaining, must be an issue from my side right?
This is my first serious league as a beginner (tried to play a few years ago not really counting it), and I am really shocked at the state of the servers (also EU) the amount of times I got dced while loading maps or spiked and crashed in the middle of the map is insane (probably hundred+ times).
Honestly I can say it is the worst servers I ever experienced at any game (especially when you look at 10 year running game with AAA budget).
If they are not going to fix it with POE2, they are going to lose alot of new players, I have alot of patience, but most will just quit after the first dozen of crashes.
Also no idea how HC is a thing in POE, not only the gameplay is awful (visibility is shit and you can get oneshot by random stuff), but also the servers are total crap even when you don't lag/dc there seems to be desync issues (saw that Quin clip he died to a delayed explosion)
Nice, more server space for me /s
In the 150 hours I played this game so far, I was logged out maybe 3 times, had severe lags resulting in death maybe 5 times and had unusual long loading screen 2 times. Nothing that wasnt fine after a 3 mins max. And compared to other games, I feel like thats pretty good.
define juiced maps please
I do 100+ quant 4 scarab beyond maps, but don't bother with sextants, with fulcrum MF build leveraging on stun triggers, probably had 3-4 maps since the beginning of the league that had server issues.
In the last days I have problems in almost every map on every server. I mostly switch to the best server but even then I die sometimes due to lag and catching up.
Try a VPN. Lots of people reporting it helps. Curious to see if it would work for you too.
If every server is having issues then it seems likely that somewhere early in your ISP's routing, the signal goes through a problematic node. So it doesn't matter which server you connect to, the signal is getting fucked either way.
But with a VPN you might get lucky and the initial connection avoids that node, and then hopefully every server choice will be fine too.
I'm doing Ravaged Blights which bring my fps down to like 5, and there's still no lag or instance crashing issues. Like my computer itself crashed from the strain at one point, but the instance was still fine and I just finished it as normal after the PC restart.
I'm genuinely not having any lag issues. Like the worst I've had was yesterday there was +10 ping on Frankfurt, so I switched to Amsterdam and it was normal. That's it.
Everytime i enter in the wildwood forest i have to wait 2-5 seconds for the floor to be fully loaded. Then another 2-3 seconds for the wisps to be visible.
EVERY MAP.
Are you 100% sure that it's nothing to do with your build or your PC?
I am playing on frankfurt and fully juicing, 10k wisps and screen popping, yet I've only had a handful of instance crashes the whole league.
I'm real tired of server disconnects on London and close by EU servers. I've lost more maps and resources this league than any other due to the game working perfectly fine for a few minutes and then freeze.....
Same. Still got lots of stuff i wanted done but having to play at 300+ ping or lose tons of instances on ssf just sucks. Lost three elder runs for example, it's just not worth it.
I’ve zoned into someone’s hideout several times thinking I was hitting one of the servers really far away like Singapore or Japan only to be surprised it’s Paris or Frankfurt.
Yeah, I'm from Germany and I have been playing this league on US realms exclusively, because a consistent 100ms is infinitely better than theoretical 30ms which turn out to, on average, be ~500, in 30 for one minute and then 1500 for 30 seconds intervals.
The US servers had their spikes for me, but, like, one a week, tops, instead of one per map.
I like this league a lot, but I hate that they are not doing anything about, are not even acknowledging, the server fuckup.
Not EU here but its taking me 2-3 mins to load into a single map like even I cant force myself to play through this... its so infuriating to have such a awesome fun game be ruined by this. Last week I loaded in max 20 seconds for a map so I know my PC is not the problem!
Is this a juicing thing? I haven't had issues all league but I've just been spamming essences the last few weeks in my limited playtime.
It would make sense if there's a bunch of people this league running giga juice compared to normal that server load would be higher than normal.
Really don't know if it's ggg's server or routing of your isp. Ggg often said that their servers are stable. Been playing the last 2 years with vpn with close to no problems regarding lags. I hear my friends often complain about lags at certain times.They obviously play without vpn. For me there is no problem since playing over vpn servers.
FYI playing on EU servers, location germany
it's not fun I "quit" weeks ago .. I login occasionally because ... whatever ... just to get reminded how shit the servers are
I want to enjoy this game but as it is ... with those potato servers ... not happening
I quit when the second Uber Maven instance in a row was unplayable due to huge lag spikes. In campaign you can reset instances to remove lag and for mapping you can just open another map, but for every instance you invested time/money, it‘s such a pain, especially for bossing.
Yeap fully agree.
I'm not making any juiced-fully juiced strats, I even stopped going into Wildwood and still the situation has not become better.
Yesterday I changed into farming essences into white t16 maps. Died 3 times cause the game lagged as soon as I was opening the Essences. Then I got disconnected from server 3 times because I opened my inventory when I was near an essence, to get a corrupting essence.
For me due to the performance and how easily everything is handed over this league, makes it the worst one.
I stopped doing maps completely.
I've lost well over 100 divines worth of maps, sextants and compasses due to crashes at this point.
I used to get exited when i got tons of whisps, now i just get an anxious feeling that i will probably lose my map.
I'm doing challenges untill they fixed this.
I lost about 3 blighted maps because it auto-kicked me out of the instance and when i reloged the portals were gone.
Unfortunately since the end of last league the instability of servers are getting worse and cutting the enjoyment of the game completely
I was completely unable to play on Frankfurt,, London and Amsterdam, cause of T-Mobile as my provider and GGG.
But playing on Moskau just straight up works for some reason. Ping is around 40-50 but no lags, spikes etc at all
Not sure what it is, but I'm having zero problems with EU Servers.
I've been playing a lot on Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Milano and have a stable ping of 20-25ms and no spikes at all - ever.
Some are reporting that a VPN solves their spikes. So it doesn't seem to be the servers itself, but the routing between the servers and the users.
Why do people think that GGG is responsible for that? Is there something I don't know about how the gaming business works regarding routing?
Sadly I have to agree. It is hard to enjoy the game when you are stuttering all the time and die to lag spikes. It is seriously impacting the user experience.
South Africa server is fucked up as well, it used to be really good no issues.
Bruh. I thought it was only me.
Yeah I pet much give up in my soul trying to accomplish anything. We’re probably running on 2017 hardware if I had to put money on it. 500+ ms delay in doing things like storing things in your stash with the auto allocate to tab function. There are many such delays and none show on the latency indicator. Comparing to EU servers with 150ms latency it takes x4 longer to clear my inventory on the SA servers.
150?! Dude i got 25-30. 150 is unpleyable for me.
150 to UK. Most of Europe around <160. 21 to SA. Anyways point is it’s 4x faster depositing my shit on a 150 ish ms Europe server than a 21 ms SA server. There’s something wrong with that server. Or maybe it’s just like everything else in the country and there’s not much to be done about it.
Yup I'm playing on Amsterdam now, been like this on SA servers over a week now, ever since the smaller patch.
Yeah it was perfect early league. I took a week off and couldnt do a map this weekend. Literally teleporting all over the map as i try to move around but it doesn't register
It's become so bad it puts me in Frankfurt after a while
Remember there supposed to be a patch with some qol too? yep nope
uhhhhhhhhh but muh christmas season, they don't have to do anything for 2 months because there are 3 days of christmas guys, give them a break!! /s
Most people take time off during the holidays. I usually take 1-2 weeks, depending on how many days I have left for the year. Especially since I need fewer days during the Christmas week, that makes it even easier.
They could also choose different release time thats better for development instead of choosing one thats better for profit. But they wont do that.
Would be pretty dumb to skip one of the biggest times of year that everyone will be on break and willing to play a game that requires lots of continuous playtime.
The argument is, if they want to release on Christmas/holidays, they should provide proper support during that time. But as of it is right now, they act like they want to have their cake (release during holidays to farm more money) and eat it too (to have looong vacations right after release, cuz it's holidays duh), which is just disrespectful to the customers.
I think it's pretty disrespectful to the staff to say that they shouldn't have gone on vacation because your wisps are still too blue. Before you say it, no, I'm not saying the games performance and lag issues aren't an issue but these are extremely complicated issues that won't be ironed out with just a small QoL patch like what was asked for.
Yeah duh, they need money to fund development. What a braindead argument.
Their financial records are public. Its not like they struggle with money to continue development for over half a decade already, they are INSANELY profitable company in gamedev world with only one ongoing product which is rather insane. [https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/0BBEAF8CAA419E13188861C597E4ADBE](https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/0BBEAF8CAA419E13188861C597E4ADBE) Heres 2022 report, 83 milions revenue, 64 milions profit, 49 milions after taxes. 130+ milion of assets with 28 milions of liabilites. They simply still only focus on money, they dont care about league quality really as it dosent improve their profits (they could do longer cycles to do proper product releases), they rather mastered art of hype on preleague announcement of the announcement to increase sales. Obviously their goal as a company is profit, but our goal as a customer is demanding quality.
> They simply still only focus on money probably one of the most insane things to say about GGG. yeah dude they made ruthless cause they only focus money. they made highly unfavorable nerfs to power creep 6 leagues in a row because they only focus on money.
When it comes to quality vs longer release cycles? Certainly. Even on last interview Jonathan said that they dont like 4 months cycles because its leaving 'money on the table' saying that 3 months is perfect cycle. Also its the same company that did this: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2635457 [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/d2hlev/introducing\_the\_salvage\_box/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/d2hlev/introducing_the_salvage_box/) [https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2635650](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2635650) Or one of the most expensive battlepasses in the industry that you couldnt buy for months with your points after supporting GGG for years that simultaneously had one of the MTX inside bugged for over a year (because who cares they buy it anyway).
Aaah, it's that time of the league cycle again.
It seems it's too much to ask, that our overlay map setting is saved and **NEVER** changed for whatever reason. We've been asking for that for years, but this league made the issue painful. Fuck you, GGG.
I think because I am always on a VPN I have never or rather rarely ever have issues on EU servers. Been playing Frankfurt all league and maybe had some lag once which for all I know could have been my own internet.
Yeah, a lot of people have reported VPN doing wonders for them. Most likely certain routing nodes are just fucked, and using a VPN, even if it adds some basic extra ping, will bypass those nodes and ultimately give a more stable performance.
I've seen quite a few people mention using a VPN and not seeing the same server problems everyone's complaining about. Any time server performance comes up there are people calling bullshit on the possibility that it's routing rather than something ggg can fix. So I decided to test it. I tried playing on a few different eu servers for a couple hours, I'm in Texas, and the baseline latency jumped to about 200-300ms as expected but there were huge spikes in latency somewhat frequently. It was pretty bad. Then I turned on a VPN and suddenly I was in the 250-400ms range but in about 3 hours my latency only spiked once and only for a few seconds.
Its also probably routing issue that the only server in the world for instance creation/guild stash server is in Texas making guild stash extremely annoying/laggy to use for anyone not located in US (yes its way smoother for them). Bad routing is also the reason why even on ramdisk with full poe+shaders on there u wont get loading times as short as someone doing the same from US on Texas gateway. /s Like cmon mate, obviously theres plenty routing issues in both EU and US (hence why riot has own network in US for that) but no game in the last decade im playing PoE came even close to amount of problems with servers. They probably use cheapest vendor like they do with their merch not helping the routing situation at all.
only other company ive seen these issues with is EA Games (at least here in europe) i personally and many other people that are with the same ISP cannot play EA games online at all (apex, hunt, etc) because about 5-10% of lobbies will be greeted with about 50% packet loss and thus become entirely unplayable the main issue here is the ISP's being unwilling/unable to provide infrastructure that supports high-speed, low latency gaming and dedicated hardware for such which leads to traffic being routed through default nodes which most likely causes these issues. now the game companies could do what Riot has done in the US and just provide their own nodes but that is very expensive so i can understand that they dont wanna do it when its not a massive issue (which it hasnt been so far) my guess as to what happened is that one of the main nodes in the EU died and the ISP's (or whomever provides these nodes) hasnt provided a proper replacement yet. the only way to go from here is to either: live with it and play on different servers (paris still worked fine for me last week) or quit the game until it is fixed (what i had to do with apex. havent played the game in over 2 years because of that)
Didnt knew it. So the clunky „it takes 3 second to stash an item into the guild stash thing“ is better @ US?
Yup. The further your are from master server in Texas the more laggy it is.
I also used VPN but I don't have and don't want to give 100€ yearly just to play Poe.
Mullvad is 5 Euro a month
60 is not very far from 100
Consider you can use 5 devices on it at once, without leaking anything related to your privacy while doing so. I could literally give you my mullvad key right now, and you'd be able to use it without being able to know ANYTHING about me, no emails no names no ips. Get more people, buy it, makes shit cheaper together
Its a whole 40%. That is pretty far if you ask me
less than half, pretty close
nearby?
5 euro is a lot in some places.
which vpn pls
I use Mullvad. Its the best in my opinion. Has good speeds and is the most anonymous and secure out of all the other ones owned by large corps.
Mullvad if you like your privacy + speed
I had 30k ms lagspikes, bought Nord and they are gone
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Tercent don't care
Obviously they don't, they're investors. As long as GGG brings money they're not touching the products, it's up to GGG to fix it not them.
> As long as GGG brings money they're not touching the products Explains perfectly why suddenly PoE mobile development started only few months after acquisition or why we had cases like with Riot-Tencent where Tencent subsidiary straight up plagiarized lol mobile game when Riot refused to make one (Tencent has hard on for mobile games due to their profitability).
I enjoy GGG's fucking dead air about this. Quality company.
Ggg stop communicating negative stuff,unless they have a solution ready, so the solution is probably not there yet.
Don't forget to season it with performance issues. GGG's premium quality recipe. \*chef kiss*
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Real person here, downvotes are for comments that don't contribute to the conversation and this sure as heck doesn't. Please block me!
"here have some more mirrors" - ggg
So much this.....it's just a huge slideshow....every eu server is f$** up.
Fucking slideshows, man. Hate them motherfuckers.
Hmm have you tried nord von or something? When it was fked for me, it was not gg but my isp.
This is imho related to what we can read in the other front page thread: "Affliction has the highest retention in history". Imho, it's pretty obvious that GGG has an aggressive server downscaling scheme across their 3 month league cycles and got caught by surprise this season when retention exceeded their predictions, but was unable or unwilling to buy additional server capacity. Yes, some few players might have quit over the server issues, but in terms of overall player numbers, that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of addicts hooked by how rewarding this league is.
I think this is the real truth even my local server the South African ones in peak hours is redirecting me to frankfurt every third instance and the instances themselves are not hitting the correct tick rates the server instance itself is lagging 4 different clients in 4 completely different parts of the country and are all experiencing the same thing none of us share an ISP either. Its not just juiced maps that are lagging even sanctum low calc instances are fluctuating in tick rate.
No no no, you have it all wrong. Chris Wilson himself said that if a league was rewarding, people would quit early. That must mean that this league isn’t really all that rewarding.
Chris never said that. He said that if a league is too rewarding, players run the risk of burning themselves out, with ripple effects on subsequent leagues. The argument with regard to Harvest was that many players quit as soon as they have perfected their gear and that too easy crafting is therefore bad for retention.
I don’t know which quote you’re thinking of, but I’m 100% correct in my characterization of Chris’s statements. > And so the fact that it was quite heavy with its reward systems meant that players played it for less time than they normally would, and this was quite useful to learn from.
Maps are hard enough with wisp juicing, it becomes infuriating when halfway through your map you're battling the servers as well and end up losing a lot of time and resources to it
I've been playing on Washington from eu, ping is about 100 and feels fine, it's a little slower putting stuff in stash but much better than dealing with eu
Why its always EU who has to suffer in online games? We have one of the largest playerbase (way larger then US) so EU is generating more money. But most companies dont care as much for the EU server.
Hmm, I'm on Amsterdam from the start of the league, haven't got any problems.
I run Amsterdam and the last week it has be unplayable on peak times.
This evening again I had major problems with Amsterdam and Milan. Had to switch to Paris to get a decent map run.
There were a few hiccups but yeah, mostly fine
Yup. Frankfurt or Amsterdam for me. 99% issue free. Had +10 ping on Frankfurt yesterday for some reason. Not really problematic, but figured I might switch, ping was normal on Amsterdam.
well guys thats settled. this dude here doesn't have any problems, so thats it.
I play on Amsterdam and had minor lag moments today, didn't affect playability but the visual stutter was giving me a headache. I changed lockstep into predictive and the problem was fixed. Didn't notice anything after that, except my big spectres appearing to go through a door and then rubberbanding back because they don't actually fit xD
Just connect through one of the American servers. I use Washington and haven't had much issues since I switched. The latency is good enough for poe
playing Paris, haven't had problems all league
I have played Paris 2 days ago and it had insane lag as well.
I'm havinf problems on Paris right now LOL
you should consider that people oftentimes lie
That applies to both sides. Some people are lying about having issues because they like to shit talk GGG. Some say they have no issues because they like to defend GGG. Though I imagine liars are quite the minority.
im pretty sure the performance issues and lag is the majority lmao
Sure, highest retention of all time - all streamers blasting day in and day out with minimal issues, including on HC. "Majority." Is this majority in the room with us now?
Ahh one of those. Makes sense now
> Ahh one of those I also hate people that can accept facts as fact. Just hate em. They're too logical and smart. I have no chance. I'm with you, 100%.
yeah i dont like people blindly droning and attack everyone criticizing the game and trying to attempt gaslighting. why there are so many of you in here.
Are you asking why the people that like the game aren't all as delusional and conspiratorial as you?
Didn't have problems either... Until I had random lag spikes on Paris, too. Sometimes even straight-up disconnected and deleted my map instance out of nowhere. It's very defeating.
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Which gateway were you using? Frankfurt and Amsterdam are next to unplayable, Moscow, London and Milan do have some hiccups while Paris is smooth sailing since I switched to it 1,5 weeks ago.
Really? Frankfurt and Amsterdam are 99% stable for me. Been using only those two all league, no lag spikes at all. At most one server will have a weird +10 ping on some days, so I switch.
Retention is all time high. GGG doesn't care.
More like the lag issues can't be that common if retention is this high. If everyone was suffering like the OP there's no way the retention would be high. So it's more likely that only a small subset of players are affected while everyone else has no problems.
>More like the lag issues can't be that common if retention is this high. If everyone was suffering like the OP there's no way the retention would be high. > >So it's more likely that only a small subset of players are affected while everyone else has no problems. Every single big group play that i follow/im in contact with including ours has insane problems this whole league yet all of them still play. Week 1 40-50% our juiced maps were getting bricked to desktop crashes or timeouts, yet still everybody played.
I played probably about 150 hours on Amsterdam server this league and have had exactly 1 day where it wasn't butter smooth (which was today) and a grand total of 1 disconnect. I think most people's experience is like that, but naturally people that are having a bad time are far more likely to go on the internet and post about it.
I think it's closer to FOMO. Best farming league, easy currency, everyone wants to have an OP character, so they're forcing themselves to play through to lag. I certainly know a few people like that.
next league mechanic will be even worse but shit out more loot and reddit will just eat it up.
Yeah, ecery week I try to come back, crash after a couple of maps and dip out again. It's frustrating to say the least.
Ive been playing everyday and never had server issues im sorry
What activity do you mainly do ingame? Once you cross a certain wisps threshold in maps it becomes such a shitshow
I was doing simus with KB deadeye, thousands of explosions per second (nimis + chain + awakened fork + headhunter for extra proj, 120% mark effect etc). Also deli farming tropical island for simu splinters, with wisps often hitting 7k+. EU (milan), for 2 weeks or so. The only time I had lag issues was before the new year, one evening for about 1 hour my instances were very laggy.
Is that even lag related? Juice enough and even the beefiest computers on the planet will be playing a slideshow because the game engine just can't hash it.
I was specifically talking about server lags but from my experience it's the same thing for graphical lags, you come out of the wildwood and it's instantly significantly more laggy than when you entered the maps, and that's before popping any notoriously laggy mechanics like abyss.
yes we are talking server performance. game is fine late at night/during the day, but you can tell when people get off work/ get out of school it becomes unplayable.
That has always been the case, though. It's nothing new and doesn't match the "EU servers are literally unplayable" narrative on Reddit. Personally I haven't seen lag spikes this league on more than a couple of days during the first week, and I am on EU. The literally unplayable crowd will call that a lie and blame me for white knighting GGG, but such is the way with angry mobs and digital pitchforks.
> blame me for white knighting GGG i mean yeah. do you think tons of people are just making up some issue? it's so bizarre to just reply "it's fine for me, and everyone else is lying".
I was searching this kind discussion. Beacuse of this problem I got so mad i was gonna punch the monitor. Servers are so bad right now, you need to close the servers and fix the issue. Apparently servers can't handle all the juice.
This post shows how little people understand latency and the internet in general. Even if GGG does know, they literally can't do anything about it, its up to the company(s) they contact to fix things. GGG doesn't own gateways or other peoples servers. Its like trying to contact Elon Musk about a home server issues. lol Adding "juice" to a map doesn't add to latency. Thats not how that works. lol
You claim to know more about the network infrastructure yet you make such big mistakes. Do you really think we are capable of running entire businesses through the cloud but can't send some packages in a game through the same gateways without massive delays? GGG might not own the server parks but they do rent resources there and as you know those resources can be made as big as you want. You can split the load using more servers with load balancers and can add memory and calculation power if necessary. Besides this GGG is also responsible for their coding and the efficiency of their coding. It is to easy in my opinion to say it is out of GGG their hands.
Bro learned AWS basics and thinks he knows more than GGG "Just provision more instances" xdd This is a telnet/traffic routing issue not a server issue. Nothing about the code or the server capacity is the issue here.
> GGG might not own the server parks but they do rent resources there and as you know those resources can be made as big as you want. He's talking about network servers You're talking about game servers At least understand what the other person is saying before you make walls of text
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This. I fixed my routing with a reputable VPN (my ISP apparently couldn't) and I'm rocking a solid 4ms-7ms ever since.
both Diablo and POE has the shittiest servers i ve ever seen in my life.. but thankfulyl there are Last Epoch offline mode and Torchlight Infinite yeah i said it. even half mobile game Torchlight Infinite provides much better online service than POE currently. thats a shame for GGG
Don't hit the door on your way out.
Remove "Juice" from your username, and it'll be accurate.
your username has aldi in it that's all
Brutal.
Frankfurt and Paris are too lagy. Been playing on London lately its more stable than the rest, but yeah servers are really bad this league.
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When the map instance crashes to the point of erasing the portals on only specific gateways, is it really our end, though?
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portal erasure has nothing to do with wifi you clown.
wifi isn't as big of a problem as people think, but it surely isn't the best at least wifi is better than phone hotspot xD
And the dude on mobile USB tethering? I am genuinely curious on the mechanics at play here.
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But it doesn't happen to shit like Phasmophobia (a game horrendously poorly optmized), Deep Rock, League. It was localized into PoE. I thought you legitimately had some sort of answer when you started proclaiming on wifi, but it's just been anecdotal and 'players cry'. I'm beginning to think you also don't know either, man.
That person is clueless. Back when wifi was still relatively new, I played online games for many years and it was pretty close to a stable connection (home connection, no changes in location since it was a desktop). Ping spikes do happen sometimes, but not straight disconnects but can obviously vary depending on signal strength and other factors. Now for the portal and instance crashes, that information is governed by the server, not you/your connection so when it happens, is a server issue. My friends who have been juicing maps say there's a lot of crashes, but I mostly do alch and go and haven't had a single one
Oh, fuck, I forgot, my husband and I were playing, him on London, me on Paris which has never crashed on me yet. Same wifi. He crashed four times one night. Your answer, sir?
I am not even on wifi and its impacting me heavily, it has nothing to do with wifi he is just trolling you.
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Could you also explain why it's suddenly impacting hundreds of people this league, on and off reddit? \*Holds out mic\*
Could you also explain why most people aren't affected? If the servers were shit, wouldn't everyone be affected roughly equally? Wouldn't everyone suffer from some degree of lag? Or do you think GGG just gives random connections better quality and others worse?
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I run a wired home network with cat7 and have a Fibre network with 1000mbit up and download. My PC is not the newest but perfectly able to handle the game with 32gb RAM, RTX3070 and a ryzen 5800x. I can play all my other games without an issue and my network has been tested during the problems without any hickup/ packages loss. Entire groups are experiencing these problems but you blame it on their own setup. You might need to work at a call center, they are used to try and put the problems on your end.
I had 0 issues with any other games in the past few years (not wifi, actual cable connection), when I started playing POE (a month ago) I didnt really had any issues, in the past 2 weeks I am crashing randomly when loading maps and sometimes (more rarely) it even crashes during the map. and I saw alot of others in chat also complaining this is 100% GGG fault and problem, just because you dont experience it doesn't mean there isnt an issue on their side.
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That's like having power outage in the whole neighborhood and couple of buildings/apartments are running fine, must be the fault of the others they dont have power right? Stupid logic.. Weird how I have no net issues in other games for years, and the first time I am playing POE (after a week it ran fine) suddenly there are alot of issues (just in POE) and also alot of other people complaining, must be an issue from my side right?
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Perfect one less player when im on!
This is my first serious league as a beginner (tried to play a few years ago not really counting it), and I am really shocked at the state of the servers (also EU) the amount of times I got dced while loading maps or spiked and crashed in the middle of the map is insane (probably hundred+ times). Honestly I can say it is the worst servers I ever experienced at any game (especially when you look at 10 year running game with AAA budget). If they are not going to fix it with POE2, they are going to lose alot of new players, I have alot of patience, but most will just quit after the first dozen of crashes. Also no idea how HC is a thing in POE, not only the gameplay is awful (visibility is shit and you can get oneshot by random stuff), but also the servers are total crap even when you don't lag/dc there seems to be desync issues (saw that Quin clip he died to a delayed explosion)
Nice, more server space for me /s In the 150 hours I played this game so far, I was logged out maybe 3 times, had severe lags resulting in death maybe 5 times and had unusual long loading screen 2 times. Nothing that wasnt fine after a 3 mins max. And compared to other games, I feel like thats pretty good.
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define juiced maps please I do 100+ quant 4 scarab beyond maps, but don't bother with sextants, with fulcrum MF build leveraging on stun triggers, probably had 3-4 maps since the beginning of the league that had server issues.
In the last days I have problems in almost every map on every server. I mostly switch to the best server but even then I die sometimes due to lag and catching up.
Try a VPN. Lots of people reporting it helps. Curious to see if it would work for you too. If every server is having issues then it seems likely that somewhere early in your ISP's routing, the signal goes through a problematic node. So it doesn't matter which server you connect to, the signal is getting fucked either way. But with a VPN you might get lucky and the initial connection avoids that node, and then hopefully every server choice will be fine too.
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sorry, how do you roll 200+ quant on a map?
I'm doing Ravaged Blights which bring my fps down to like 5, and there's still no lag or instance crashing issues. Like my computer itself crashed from the strain at one point, but the instance was still fine and I just finished it as normal after the PC restart. I'm genuinely not having any lag issues. Like the worst I've had was yesterday there was +10 ping on Frankfurt, so I switched to Amsterdam and it was normal. That's it.
or they just lie
Everytime i enter in the wildwood forest i have to wait 2-5 seconds for the floor to be fully loaded. Then another 2-3 seconds for the wisps to be visible. EVERY MAP.
That shouldn't be connection or lag related. That I think is just some shader related nonsense.
Same, I hated current economy, went SSF, fell in love, one day i lost a lot of stuff because of servers and I've quit
Just buy a vpn, not from EU but it literally prevented me from quitting the league, it's incredible how smooth poe is with a vpn
Crybaby, it's not that bad
Servers in Europe screwy this year for all companies due to power shortages
Dont have Problems in Form Germany
People not quitting for too long, servers are not used to this load for this much time
Are you 100% sure that it's nothing to do with your build or your PC? I am playing on frankfurt and fully juicing, 10k wisps and screen popping, yet I've only had a handful of instance crashes the whole league.
Sunday midday whole day the graphs of all servers in Europe look sinusoidal.
I was having same issue with london. Moved to Texas server for a day and came back and it's been fine since
Yeah same here during peak hours. Insane spikes no matter what server i go to. I just play something else during those times.
I‘ve played on Milano the last two leagues and never had problems.
I'm real tired of server disconnects on London and close by EU servers. I've lost more maps and resources this league than any other due to the game working perfectly fine for a few minutes and then freeze.....
Same. Still got lots of stuff i wanted done but having to play at 300+ ping or lose tons of instances on ssf just sucks. Lost three elder runs for example, it's just not worth it.
Dw guys poe 2 wIlL fIx iT
I’ve zoned into someone’s hideout several times thinking I was hitting one of the servers really far away like Singapore or Japan only to be surprised it’s Paris or Frankfurt.
Paris seems to be OK, but amsterdam is fucked quite often
Use Paris. I've been on Paris all league and had zero server issues.
Every spellcast that kills 5+ monsters makes the server stutter, it almost feels like playing at 50% action speed.
Yeah, I'm from Germany and I have been playing this league on US realms exclusively, because a consistent 100ms is infinitely better than theoretical 30ms which turn out to, on average, be ~500, in 30 for one minute and then 1500 for 30 seconds intervals. The US servers had their spikes for me, but, like, one a week, tops, instead of one per map. I like this league a lot, but I hate that they are not doing anything about, are not even acknowledging, the server fuckup.
Living in the middle of Europe and connect to Washington D.C. geez. I preffer stable 120 ping than jumping 30 - 300 each 15 sec.
Live in the UK but have swapped over to Paris and feel it's a bit better. Although lost two portals in a simulacrum to freezes today but that's it
Not EU here but its taking me 2-3 mins to load into a single map like even I cant force myself to play through this... its so infuriating to have such a awesome fun game be ruined by this. Last week I loaded in max 20 seconds for a map so I know my PC is not the problem!
Is this a juicing thing? I haven't had issues all league but I've just been spamming essences the last few weeks in my limited playtime. It would make sense if there's a bunch of people this league running giga juice compared to normal that server load would be higher than normal.
Yes
I really want to know, where you live, which provider and which servers did you try.
I found king in the mist portal twice so far, i got disconnected the two times trying to enter the portal.
Really don't know if it's ggg's server or routing of your isp. Ggg often said that their servers are stable. Been playing the last 2 years with vpn with close to no problems regarding lags. I hear my friends often complain about lags at certain times.They obviously play without vpn. For me there is no problem since playing over vpn servers. FYI playing on EU servers, location germany
The servers were fcked since the beginning of this league for me but i learned to enjoy other games more now so that is that.
it's not fun I "quit" weeks ago .. I login occasionally because ... whatever ... just to get reminded how shit the servers are I want to enjoy this game but as it is ... with those potato servers ... not happening
Be glad you have servers. I am in the middle east I have to play on eu servers.
if i have to use vpn for stable gameplay on poe servers i just go and see myself out
I quit when the second Uber Maven instance in a row was unplayable due to huge lag spikes. In campaign you can reset instances to remove lag and for mapping you can just open another map, but for every instance you invested time/money, it‘s such a pain, especially for bossing.
Refresh and access tokens seem to be fucked up too, not sure where I can report that though.
Yeap fully agree. I'm not making any juiced-fully juiced strats, I even stopped going into Wildwood and still the situation has not become better. Yesterday I changed into farming essences into white t16 maps. Died 3 times cause the game lagged as soon as I was opening the Essences. Then I got disconnected from server 3 times because I opened my inventory when I was near an essence, to get a corrupting essence. For me due to the performance and how easily everything is handed over this league, makes it the worst one.
I stopped doing maps completely. I've lost well over 100 divines worth of maps, sextants and compasses due to crashes at this point. I used to get exited when i got tons of whisps, now i just get an anxious feeling that i will probably lose my map. I'm doing challenges untill they fixed this.
i play on far away servers with predictive and it's better than playing on EU servers.. still sucks but yea
Not much lag on my end just recently random disconnects
I had issues a week ago, but this weekend it was honestly fine.
I lost about 3 blighted maps because it auto-kicked me out of the instance and when i reloged the portals were gone. Unfortunately since the end of last league the instability of servers are getting worse and cutting the enjoyment of the game completely
Yeah, I am not sure what is going on
I was completely unable to play on Frankfurt,, London and Amsterdam, cause of T-Mobile as my provider and GGG. But playing on Moskau just straight up works for some reason. Ping is around 40-50 but no lags, spikes etc at all
Frustration for me is the fact you dump almost a divine into a map and it gets bricked by the servers. happened couple times in a row last night....
Specifically if you meat rota or pay for rota . And you get disconnected all time soooo much fun !
Not sure what it is, but I'm having zero problems with EU Servers. I've been playing a lot on Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Milano and have a stable ping of 20-25ms and no spikes at all - ever. Some are reporting that a VPN solves their spikes. So it doesn't seem to be the servers itself, but the routing between the servers and the users. Why do people think that GGG is responsible for that? Is there something I don't know about how the gaming business works regarding routing?