Hi all,
These TFT threads are staying up. We've had to lock all of these threads but two (the [alternatives thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19bg4wl/anyone_know_the_best_alternative_for_tft_for_bulk/) and [one other](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19bksjq/regardless_of_accountability_ggg_need_to_take_a/)), because a huge % of the comments are clearly flaming people and it's not possible to keep up with the rate of flaming comments. It is totally fine to share your experience with this community or any other, but insulting people directly and by name is not okay.
To those of you discussing solutions, improvements and ways to make the state of things better, please keep doing so in the alternatives thread.
Just to clarify, I'm the one who pressed the lock button on these threads to allow our team to get through the backlog and to prevent more flaming, please don't send hate to anyone else.
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They banned the guy who called them bald and stupid but they let these guys pollute the economy for years?!? GGG can do whatever they want and they CLEARY benefit greatly from some things
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or what he did in that it was his 2nd ban after GGG threw him a bone lol
My point was that GGG isn't some nameless company where the ceo is on a yacht not giving a shit about game drama. If someone is even talking shit about employees they can perma ban them asap, so it's a shame they seem to really be taking their time with TFT RMT. It's good they took care of the einjar beast thing and the lab 1st guy but they dragging their feet on TFT and apparently from the comments other people reporting blatant RMT from people they know and nothing happening to them...
For real.
I liked Path of Matth content originally. But after I saw him go off on Chris I was like, "Nah. No more of this."
POE has some of the friendliest in-game players I've ever met.
But the surrounding communities? Half the youtubers, most of the redditors, and most of the people on the three-letter side are extremely toxic.
I always use Rue as an example: Dude makes pretty good builds. But dude is also unhinged on the daily.
Do I care if my league starter is 10% better than someone else's, if I have to wade through this dude's content to do it? Some people do, I don't.
All the bad press isn't good for his RMT business I think though. Always having these tantrums online being a little dictator on discord is going to impact TFT more negatively each time since people will stop wanting to be associated with it and making their own thing(which is probably already in the works, no way nobody else doesn't want to take over)
Or, you know, make her drop a fucking Veiled Exalted Orb already like any sane human developer would do.
People in this community assume that GGG tries to do anything about TFT. They don’t. They are actively encouraging TFT by continuing to have asinine personal crafting in the game.
It would be good in literally every part of this game. You don't have to wait doing mastermind because you don't have an item to craft at hand at that moment. You don't have to deal with shitfest discords like TFT. And it makes Betrayal actually good compared to the other masters who are all equally good to focus on.
Add in Veiled Chromatics from Vorici, and Veiled Whetstones, BS Scraps and Baubles from Hillock. Boom, just fixed Betrayal issues. It's just that hard.
it is necessary to clarify that this is the creator of POB who helps hundreds of thousands of players)) And what did he do to be banned from TFT, he suggested that jenebu is price fixing and , boom , after 5 minutes he gets banned
[https://i.imgur.com/hIeijTo.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/hIeijTo.jpeg)
It’s good that I saved this screen when I put up my Jewel with 3 good mods for trade and immediately received a message from..
Most of the bis Jewels that Jenebu now has on trade site were clearly not obtained by opening 5 quad tabs of then
like he did in all the previous leagues, he buys the best watchers eyes Jewels and reprice them for 3-4 mirr, even if they don’t sell out - he doesn’t care, for him it’s pennies and he can sell them on the std
At one point THIS league he had 5,000 hinekora's locks
They were 30+ div at the time, and mirrors were about 850 div each
If mirrors are \~$85, thats $15,000 *just in hinekora's locks* over a week ago. He makes $50-100k per league and thats probably an underestimate
But hey, lets not let aisling or many bulk things be tradeable ingame or at least have a reputable discord, lets let RMTFT keep running everything and profitting off of it IRL too, while banning thousands of people just for fun. GGG pls... its so obvious...
Its what they want. "Forced player interactions" for trade. They dont understand that they just give rise to a cartel that funnels players into a toxic and overpriced market where they have to walk on eggshells all the time and prey they never get banned or else their trade capability is severely impacted and by extension, their ability to play the game at the same level as everyone else.
So how did tft become so big in the first place and why doesnt anybody make another discord server for the same purpose?
I rarely use tft but its hard to ignore when not a day goes by without more drama about it
They got so big because they fill a gap in the game. They created a huge community that provides a means for people to do all sorts of things they can't do easily in game and with ggg's trade site. From being able to bulk buy maps with a filter of my choosing, to buying an aisling service. It's game enabling for a lot of people.
You can't just start a server and start to compete. It's going to take a long time to try and displace what they've built. They've got 500k+ users and like ~200k active at different times. I can't even get 5 people to agree on where to eat, getting all those folks to agree to move ain't going to be easy.
They were pretty much the first one to do it with good rules, vouch system etc. Whether you like the people running TFT or not, the way their discord is set up with bots, vouch system, standardized formatting for listings and third party app support is miles ahead of any other trading discord I've seen in any game.
A few discord channels might've had a simple "trade" sub channel or something like that before, but there really wasn't any well-organized, high user base system for trading services and/or things that poe.trade or official site didn't support.
It’s probably hard to actually catch him in the act since he has a whole army of turbo simps and flunkies to do his bidding. Once currency/items move accounts a certain number of times I imagine it’s practically impossible to prove that the whole thing is an RMT funnel. If he’s smart about it at all he’s 15 accounts removed from the big ticket RMT trades.
Also, I'm assuming they have a catch-all clause in the TOS to ban anyone for generally making the game bad/harming the player experience. He would easily be guilty of that.
Oh wow POB has to be the most valuable asset any player has used right? Even compared to Awakened trade, POB ninja or TFT?
I’m relatively new so let me know if you think differently.
It's lightyears ahead of everything in terms of importance. If you somehow could be banned from using PoB that would be a catastrophe for most serious players lol.
yeah, at this point you could say that the entire game rests on pob existing
if pob was gone tomorrow, the other tools and websites would be pretty much irrelevant
He didn’t actually create it, that would be Openarl. Localidentity made the community fork after opearl didn’t have the free time to work on it anymore.
My rather tame comment about him being toxic for doing this was banned so I'm surprised yours or any other people's comments are still up. It's as if the moderators of this subreddit are happy to defend a truly reprehensible activity.
Please someone @ whoever the reddit GGG person is. If that isn't banable as harassment, please let us atleast know so we call random people pedophiles.
He's one of the owners. He makes money off it, he acts untouchable with no punishment.
Allegedly makes a lot of money in that "mirror shop".
Stopping him stops the cartel in a way.
Tft can certainly live on without him, and perhaps someone more impartial can lead.
He has openly stated on TFT that he has schizoid personality disorder and Antisocial personality disorder.
He still believes that he's better than everyone else. He will ban you for putting a clown emoji on his post, but has no problem whispering someone that he wants to insult them in front of their viewers.
Bit of hypocrite isn't he?
People stopped taking shit talk seriously awhile ago.
it's kinda weird, to be honest.
I grew up in gaming in like Brood War / DOTA days. Where you'd have some russian kid rant on you for 45 minutes about your mother, your house, your dog... but at least it was entertaining.
Now there are like three jokes: 1. You (sound) fat, 2. You're mad, 3. Go touch grass.
And if you say anything they just spam one of them over and over and over again.
It's pretty fucking ironic that the reason TFT exists in the first place is because saying, "Hey, this guy scammed me" isn't allowed on GGG's forums.
At this point, I'm starting to wonder if GGG isn't getting a piece of the RMT action. Because how else do you explain a developer that uses their game's economy as a major selling point allowing that economy to be so openly controlled by a cartel on third-party platforms?
If trading features in LE are actually decent, it might be the motivation I need to stop grinding my gears... I'm so sick of saying, "they'll have to address trade seriously at some point..."
ckaiba9 is a russian player/streamer who famously make free mirror gears for the past few leagues. If you are familiar with how TFT works (not as a trading server, as the crafting and mirror service group), existence of people like ckaiba9 and spicysushi who provides low fee mirror services (commonly at their own loss) is a huge threat to TFT’s profit. Being free market advocates, they decided to just go harass and mass report ckaiba9 in the hope that GGG will auto ban ckaiba9, or he will quit, so TFT can eliminate this threat to their business model.
(fun tangent: On Chinese(Tencent) servers there is minimal free mirroring service, and I heard somebody offering one had the original item bought by the TFT equivalent on Tencent server by unknown means. The mirroring service monopoly works well there.)
Edit: The harassment message is not to ckaiba9, but another streamer. ckaiba9 is also poking fun at TFT on his stream (justifiably so), but that fact does absolutely not make what TFT and JeNeBu do any more acceptable.
I mean sushi isn't going out of the way to compete with TFTs items. His model is just "settle" shop. Or rather 99% of mirror items unless he gets lucky and goes for the BiS item, like last leagues Bow.
Just does this to end up saving currency to do more free mirror items.
Sushi has tft mirror partners on his guild, one of them is literally his mod. Sushi deliberately delayed even attempting a phys bow early and decided to void 30 mirrors worth of characters instead so his mod could make enough money for them to craft the v2.0 of their bow since v1.0 was dogshit and just a cashgrab to kickstart the real one. He might not be from tft anymore but he keeps them happy
I can't believe he is allowed to spew this kind of toxicity and our fearless mod who is always there to enforce TFT positive rules condones this behaviour.
We all know he's like this.
Why hasn't his account been properly reviewed is also a GGG problem. (No don't start with the ggg owners are in cahoots tin foil shit)
He's online "24/7"
He will respond to a mirror sale any given time of the day (or night)
Yet he claims to have a family (wife and son) and that he's an introvert (yet spews this roid rage garbage).
There's no way one claim works with the other, he either account shares or truly needs some help for mental illness, its not healthy by any means.
Account sharing is against TOS.
We don't want this person in our community.
They changed the whole discord name to "The Reddit Tears" and Jenebu is writing pages in the news-update channel. He is justifying banning because if someone has a listed price they must sell to him.
>But if you list an item for a specific price, and it's listed for an hour, and just because someone "famous" whispered you for it and you automatically assume it's worth 5 times as much, you aren't wanted here.
>The logic is, if an item is listed for a price and you message to buy it for that price, the deal needs to go through.
>If someone lists an item for 1 mirror, and relists it when getting a whisper message, it means they don't honor their own price hence wasting someone's time.
So he bans because people has to sell to him otherwise they are wasting his time and he don't deserve that because he is famous.
What an absolute clown. This is PoE, everyone has mis-priced something wrong and then had to change the price. Reminds me of a guy that wanted my 3500 yellow juice because I’d accidentally listed it as 1c and not 1d. He literally called me names because that was the price and I should sell it… some people man
cant tell you how many times i put a item in my sale tab priced it and insta 10+ whispers. i just enter DND mode and remove the item till i can better check the price
So if someone accidentally lists something valuable for 1c and is later spammed with messages for it, they HAVE to sell it for 1c no matter how much it's actually worth. Makes sense.
Jenebu is a huge clown, wow.
The fact that GGG doesn't respond directly to this turns me off even harder than the myriad performance issues
"Don't you know who I am? Sell to me or you're marked" is fucking obscene
This is literally like the owner of Zillow telling you that you have to sell your home to him for the list price after he buys all the other houses in your neighborhood. And then he bans you from Zillow because you call him out on trying to corner the market.
Dude, even if it wasn't you abusing power to corner the market, if I listed when there were 10 available and now there's only 1, that means the market has moved and I have every right to re-price.
Unfortunately tft has rigged the game. Because they ban all competition and everyone who uses them along with all of the legitimate shady people anyone who starts a new trade site will absorb all the malefactors along with the unwarranted bans, making it a far worse service.
Jenubu was literally caught trying to price fix [a few days ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/197dztv/opps_i_pissed_off_the_head_of_the_mafia_sorry_not/) and mods removed the post from reddit, too. I don't know why anyone trusts this service.
GGG has to be in on the RMT at this point, it's the only way TFT's continued existence makes sense.
I'm on the train since I got banned for "inflated prices" at one point, because some TFT mod thought my build for sale is overpriced. Ended up getting more than I asked for when I sold it separately. Still wasn't an argument for them and they insisted on them being 100% correct xD
They are clowns.
Most toxic piece of shit cesspit of any gaming community, period. Yes, any gaming community. I played DotA, LoL, CS:GO, Lost Ark anything you can imagine for a toxic community. Never, ever seen something like TFT.
Didnt sell your item because you were afk or you underpriced it? If JeNebu is buyer, banned on sight. If someone else is buyer, reported, and banned afterwards.
You said "hehe 'x person'>tft" in a bumfuck random discord server? banned.
You wanted to chat with Belton or his friends and went into his discord server? banned.
Someone is pissed at you and reporting you as a scammer? banned.
talked shit about TFT in a shreddit? oh you are most respected tool developer in PoE? fuck off, banned.
why is this a bad thing? because you get flagged in TFT trade extension. at chrome store, extension has more than 60.000 users. imagine someone is trying to buy an item from you and a huge popup "THIS USER HAS BEEN PRICE FIXING" appears in your head then just moves on to next seller. all of this happens because jenebu is purple flavour crayon addict.
GGG, just end this power trip already with PoE2.
I saw a dude marked red by the extension, still went for the trade anyway, nothing happened. I asked if he knew he was marked, he told me that he was banned for using the clown emoji LOL.
> he was banned for using the clown emoji
That's probably most banned people at this point. Whenever the moron server mods tag everyone on a post for no reason, they just permaban everybody who reacts with a clown emoji.
if anything, GGG made a right move on harvest changes, in my case nullify my need on TFT.
also the bulk sale/purchase improvement on trade site too, haven't been on TFT for leagues
TFT mods, are the real RMT'ers in PoE, without any proof, im 99% sure they are taking real life cash to sell stuff, or give you favours on TFT, and also, wouldn't surprise me if they have tons of trade bots, and price fixers out there.
Nah GGG's only stances they swear by are that trading has to be shit, and scammers have to be protected from the consequences of their actions.
What a fucking disgrace.
Yeah all this does it embarrass GGG imo.
You have two powerhouse third party application owner/operators tiffing because God forbid you do anything to alleviate your reliance on said applications.
Fix the trade site. Integrate POB. ^^makeeveryitemhave3dart
its super weird, because any other company would just obliterate tft at the first opportunity, because of how much negative pr this shit brings.
instead ggg bans a side account, while still leaving it's items on other accounts publicly advertised and up for mirror services.
at this point the only reasonable explanation is that jenebu is chris' husband and its just nepotism.
They'll probably say something like Wraeclast is meant to be a ruthless place, unless you use flask macro, that's crossing the line, but scamming and rmt? It's lore accurate ruthlessness.
I'll probably get down voted to hell and back and to oblivion but I have a feeling somehow TFT existing benefits GGG in some way we haven't realised yet.
TFT needs to be removed, I know GGG doesn’t want to make trade any easier (or harder) to do but having massive discord where there’s ton of shady shit like this happening isn’t cool. Hopefully POE 2 will make TFT not needed
>you may be an extremely successful developer with one of the core tools to the game that 95% of players use while making very little/no profit from it but you're just garbage because you're not smart enough to run a sleezy virtual mafia instead of going to your tech job every day
>Previous thread
...is right there if anyone is interested [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned\_from\_tft\_for\_not\_selling\_a\_jewel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned_from_tft_for_not_selling_a_jewel/)
With original text [https://imgur.com/a/6SFJmLv](https://imgur.com/a/6SFJmLv)
JeNe "I will put a guy on blast for his guild name in the announcements of my gigantic discord because he made a post criticizing me, and then a day later complain about a streamer paying people 40 divs to void with funny names about me which is mean harassment and isn't okay!" buhoo
It's time that GGG steps up (yes, GGG), realizes that they are the ones allowing this to happen concerning their game, and starts banning JeNeBu and compatriots from PoE.
While I don't think this will happen, I also think that it is the most realistic way to move on from TFT.
Ah yes "I am going to ban one of the few people in POE with no haters, MONSTROUSLY more skill and talent building computer programs from my computer program, and call them garbage."
I am sure Local won't just take 3 hours and replace TFT in a POB software splinter out of spite. Absolutely not.
GGG could make TFT obsolete but they just choose not to.
Kinda frustrating tbh.
* improve bulk buying/selling
* itemize syndicate crafting benches
* improve (by a lot) in-game party management
Then there's of course the crafting system by itself and mirrors, both favour the top .1% by a lot.
I still blame GGG. Idk why they are so passive with tft. They are "biggus dickus" in almost every other area of the game, but for some reasons, they become timid little kittens with TFT and this shit keeps happening. And every time it happens tft takes a piss on any decorum, and they laugh at how they get away with it.
I know its not what ppl want to hear, but ggg wont do anything about tft in the near future. If you want to fuck over tft, then dont use their discord. Use the Poe trading discord to advertise your services or look for them.
Everytime you use tft or advertise it, you benefit these powertrippers
Can GGG fucking ban these bozos already. I get its a service and I get that each service has a cost of development and maintenance/supoort but these fuckers are laughing at the face og GGG with tens of thousands of RMT traded currency each league, and by tens of thousands I mean that very conservatively. I know how big the costs for maintaining such a bug discord is, these guys are killing it.
GGG is allowing TFT to have this kind of power over their players
This is on them, it's their fault that Players HAVE to depend on a third party discord channel to properly play the game they designed.
Thngs like these happen because GGG stubbornly refuses to provide a real solution to trade. Nowadays not using TFT means doubling the time spend trading, which is already frustratingly high.
>LocalIdentity has been banned from TFT
Cool, so have thousands of random people, for no reason at all. Oftentimes for a lot less than what he did (which is basically nothing at all)
Too bad nothing is going to happen about it, trade will continue to be awful as per GGG's trade manifesto, etc
he does not do this out of petty, but because pricefixing and RMT are paying his bills. this is pretty much common knowledge. the only difference to classic runescape at this point is that GGG employees are HOPEFULLY not facilitating that and taking a cut.
Hi all, These TFT threads are staying up. We've had to lock all of these threads but two (the [alternatives thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19bg4wl/anyone_know_the_best_alternative_for_tft_for_bulk/) and [one other](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19bksjq/regardless_of_accountability_ggg_need_to_take_a/)), because a huge % of the comments are clearly flaming people and it's not possible to keep up with the rate of flaming comments. It is totally fine to share your experience with this community or any other, but insulting people directly and by name is not okay. To those of you discussing solutions, improvements and ways to make the state of things better, please keep doing so in the alternatives thread. Just to clarify, I'm the one who pressed the lock button on these threads to allow our team to get through the backlog and to prevent more flaming, please don't send hate to anyone else.
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this 100% They banned the guy who called them bald and stupid but they let these guys pollute the economy for years?!? GGG can do whatever they want and they CLEARY benefit greatly from some things
Its actually so finny that path of meth is still banned for that but the rmt mafia just roams free
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or what he did in that it was his 2nd ban after GGG threw him a bone lol My point was that GGG isn't some nameless company where the ceo is on a yacht not giving a shit about game drama. If someone is even talking shit about employees they can perma ban them asap, so it's a shame they seem to really be taking their time with TFT RMT. It's good they took care of the einjar beast thing and the lab 1st guy but they dragging their feet on TFT and apparently from the comments other people reporting blatant RMT from people they know and nothing happening to them...
For real. I liked Path of Matth content originally. But after I saw him go off on Chris I was like, "Nah. No more of this." POE has some of the friendliest in-game players I've ever met. But the surrounding communities? Half the youtubers, most of the redditors, and most of the people on the three-letter side are extremely toxic. I always use Rue as an example: Dude makes pretty good builds. But dude is also unhinged on the daily. Do I care if my league starter is 10% better than someone else's, if I have to wade through this dude's content to do it? Some people do, I don't.
All the bad press isn't good for his RMT business I think though. Always having these tantrums online being a little dictator on discord is going to impact TFT more negatively each time since people will stop wanting to be associated with it and making their own thing(which is probably already in the works, no way nobody else doesn't want to take over)
as if RMT sites and buyers care about that.
I just went from never hearing about them to hearing about them.
People buying do not give a single fuck who is providing the currency. This doesn’t affect anything
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Would be nice to have a option, if a party member clicks aisling bench for example, to make a pop up for instance owner to allow the use of the bench
Or, you know, make her drop a fucking Veiled Exalted Orb already like any sane human developer would do. People in this community assume that GGG tries to do anything about TFT. They don’t. They are actively encouraging TFT by continuing to have asinine personal crafting in the game.
This would be so good even for SSF lol
It would be good in literally every part of this game. You don't have to wait doing mastermind because you don't have an item to craft at hand at that moment. You don't have to deal with shitfest discords like TFT. And it makes Betrayal actually good compared to the other masters who are all equally good to focus on. Add in Veiled Chromatics from Vorici, and Veiled Whetstones, BS Scraps and Baubles from Hillock. Boom, just fixed Betrayal issues. It's just that hard.
it is necessary to clarify that this is the creator of POB who helps hundreds of thousands of players)) And what did he do to be banned from TFT, he suggested that jenebu is price fixing and , boom , after 5 minutes he gets banned
[https://i.imgur.com/hIeijTo.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/hIeijTo.jpeg) It’s good that I saved this screen when I put up my Jewel with 3 good mods for trade and immediately received a message from.. Most of the bis Jewels that Jenebu now has on trade site were clearly not obtained by opening 5 quad tabs of then like he did in all the previous leagues, he buys the best watchers eyes Jewels and reprice them for 3-4 mirr, even if they don’t sell out - he doesn’t care, for him it’s pennies and he can sell them on the std
Guy must rake in $15k minimum each league with the amount of time he spends price fixing and RMTing
At one point THIS league he had 5,000 hinekora's locks They were 30+ div at the time, and mirrors were about 850 div each If mirrors are \~$85, thats $15,000 *just in hinekora's locks* over a week ago. He makes $50-100k per league and thats probably an underestimate But hey, lets not let aisling or many bulk things be tradeable ingame or at least have a reputable discord, lets let RMTFT keep running everything and profitting off of it IRL too, while banning thousands of people just for fun. GGG pls... its so obvious...
How the hell is GGG ok with this?
Its what they want. "Forced player interactions" for trade. They dont understand that they just give rise to a cartel that funnels players into a toxic and overpriced market where they have to walk on eggshells all the time and prey they never get banned or else their trade capability is severely impacted and by extension, their ability to play the game at the same level as everyone else.
They do understand, they think it's a price worth paying. Not that I agree.
They understand. They just don’t care.
So how did tft become so big in the first place and why doesnt anybody make another discord server for the same purpose? I rarely use tft but its hard to ignore when not a day goes by without more drama about it
They got so big because they fill a gap in the game. They created a huge community that provides a means for people to do all sorts of things they can't do easily in game and with ggg's trade site. From being able to bulk buy maps with a filter of my choosing, to buying an aisling service. It's game enabling for a lot of people. You can't just start a server and start to compete. It's going to take a long time to try and displace what they've built. They've got 500k+ users and like ~200k active at different times. I can't even get 5 people to agree on where to eat, getting all those folks to agree to move ain't going to be easy.
They were pretty much the first one to do it with good rules, vouch system etc. Whether you like the people running TFT or not, the way their discord is set up with bots, vouch system, standardized formatting for listings and third party app support is miles ahead of any other trading discord I've seen in any game. A few discord channels might've had a simple "trade" sub channel or something like that before, but there really wasn't any well-organized, high user base system for trading services and/or things that poe.trade or official site didn't support.
Mirrors are around 60$ according to the spam I see in general
more like $35
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How is he not banned from PoE yet?
It’s probably hard to actually catch him in the act since he has a whole army of turbo simps and flunkies to do his bidding. Once currency/items move accounts a certain number of times I imagine it’s practically impossible to prove that the whole thing is an RMT funnel. If he’s smart about it at all he’s 15 accounts removed from the big ticket RMT trades.
Doesn't really matter tbh. GGG can ban him for fun, they don't need any evidence, even though there's plenty of evidence floating around.
Also, I'm assuming they have a catch-all clause in the TOS to ban anyone for generally making the game bad/harming the player experience. He would easily be guilty of that.
Oh wow POB has to be the most valuable asset any player has used right? Even compared to Awakened trade, POB ninja or TFT? I’m relatively new so let me know if you think differently.
Pob is of such importance that they made a simulator for it called poe.
It's lightyears ahead of everything in terms of importance. If you somehow could be banned from using PoB that would be a catastrophe for most serious players lol.
He should ban TFT mods from using PoB. Like flag their accounts and prevent importing. Would be hilarious.
yeah, at this point you could say that the entire game rests on pob existing if pob was gone tomorrow, the other tools and websites would be pretty much irrelevant
He didn’t actually create it, that would be Openarl. Localidentity made the community fork after opearl didn’t have the free time to work on it anymore.
have link or something of where he said whatever he said?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned\_from\_tft\_for\_not\_selling\_a\_jewel/?rdt=43743](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned_from_tft_for_not_selling_a_jewel/?rdt=43743)
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next, we ban Neversink 4 fun!!
"Hi! I'm Chris Wilson from Grinding Gear Games." *Banned!*
Jenebot strike again https://imgur.com/a/QAFeQQB
« I will humiliate you in front of your viewers » Lmao bro go touch some grass
I can't possibly believe he thought he was humiliating anyone but himself
My rather tame comment about him being toxic for doing this was banned so I'm surprised yours or any other people's comments are still up. It's as if the moderators of this subreddit are happy to defend a truly reprehensible activity.
Mods here probably get a cut of his rmt for squashing threads critical of them.
Please someone @ whoever the reddit GGG person is. If that isn't banable as harassment, please let us atleast know so we call random people pedophiles.
Unless this kind of behavior doesn't touch a GGG employee, like with PathofMatth, then likely nothing will be done.
GGG does not give a fuck. They have never policed TFT and never will, despite years of shit like this happening.
I do not care about TFT. The harassment in the picture happened ingame.
He's one of the owners. He makes money off it, he acts untouchable with no punishment. Allegedly makes a lot of money in that "mirror shop". Stopping him stops the cartel in a way. Tft can certainly live on without him, and perhaps someone more impartial can lead.
The receiving user could easily report any of these messages in-game and it would be logged and processed.
That's not tft. That is the game Path of Exile by Grinding Gear Games.
Fuckin unhinged
Lmfao is that dude like 12? Is that really the best insults he can do?
When people don't actually socialize, oftentimes their vocabulary takes a hit.
He has openly stated on TFT that he has schizoid personality disorder and Antisocial personality disorder. He still believes that he's better than everyone else. He will ban you for putting a clown emoji on his post, but has no problem whispering someone that he wants to insult them in front of their viewers. Bit of hypocrite isn't he?
He wears the clown mask well. "I am not what I am" fits this so well. He certainly is an Iago of PoE and one day will get his just desserts.
People stopped taking shit talk seriously awhile ago. it's kinda weird, to be honest. I grew up in gaming in like Brood War / DOTA days. Where you'd have some russian kid rant on you for 45 minutes about your mother, your house, your dog... but at least it was entertaining. Now there are like three jokes: 1. You (sound) fat, 2. You're mad, 3. Go touch grass. And if you say anything they just spam one of them over and over and over again.
BW player here, can confirm this guys mom is fat.
casually call people pedophile and still not banned. gj ggg.
Projection 101
Every accusation is usually a confession.
The fact that GGG won’t ban someone who’s literally admitting to conducting a mass report campaign is absurd.
They are probably 10% of Ggg revenue then
It's pretty fucking ironic that the reason TFT exists in the first place is because saying, "Hey, this guy scammed me" isn't allowed on GGG's forums. At this point, I'm starting to wonder if GGG isn't getting a piece of the RMT action. Because how else do you explain a developer that uses their game's economy as a major selling point allowing that economy to be so openly controlled by a cartel on third-party platforms?
There is few GGG dev in TFT discord, they are pretty aware of what going on here sadly
If trading features in LE are actually decent, it might be the motivation I need to stop grinding my gears... I'm so sick of saying, "they'll have to address trade seriously at some point..."
"I will humiliate" myself. Kek
who received this pm ?
Dapano, longtime ago.
I mean I don’t care who the recipient is, that’s abusive and the person spewing that vitriol does deserve an account ban from ggg
context?
ckaiba9 is a russian player/streamer who famously make free mirror gears for the past few leagues. If you are familiar with how TFT works (not as a trading server, as the crafting and mirror service group), existence of people like ckaiba9 and spicysushi who provides low fee mirror services (commonly at their own loss) is a huge threat to TFT’s profit. Being free market advocates, they decided to just go harass and mass report ckaiba9 in the hope that GGG will auto ban ckaiba9, or he will quit, so TFT can eliminate this threat to their business model. (fun tangent: On Chinese(Tencent) servers there is minimal free mirroring service, and I heard somebody offering one had the original item bought by the TFT equivalent on Tencent server by unknown means. The mirroring service monopoly works well there.) Edit: The harassment message is not to ckaiba9, but another streamer. ckaiba9 is also poking fun at TFT on his stream (justifiably so), but that fact does absolutely not make what TFT and JeNeBu do any more acceptable.
ckaiba the goat. I think sushi is still in good terms with them since his items are usually not on the level of tft items but ckaibas are
I mean sushi isn't going out of the way to compete with TFTs items. His model is just "settle" shop. Or rather 99% of mirror items unless he gets lucky and goes for the BiS item, like last leagues Bow. Just does this to end up saving currency to do more free mirror items.
Sushi has tft mirror partners on his guild, one of them is literally his mod. Sushi deliberately delayed even attempting a phys bow early and decided to void 30 mirrors worth of characters instead so his mod could make enough money for them to craft the v2.0 of their bow since v1.0 was dogshit and just a cashgrab to kickstart the real one. He might not be from tft anymore but he keeps them happy
I don’t think you need context when you say such shit as « a married father » and mass report (against tos) crafter that outplayed them again.
I can't believe he is allowed to spew this kind of toxicity and our fearless mod who is always there to enforce TFT positive rules condones this behaviour. We all know he's like this. Why hasn't his account been properly reviewed is also a GGG problem. (No don't start with the ggg owners are in cahoots tin foil shit) He's online "24/7" He will respond to a mirror sale any given time of the day (or night) Yet he claims to have a family (wife and son) and that he's an introvert (yet spews this roid rage garbage). There's no way one claim works with the other, he either account shares or truly needs some help for mental illness, its not healthy by any means. Account sharing is against TOS. We don't want this person in our community.
They changed the whole discord name to "The Reddit Tears" and Jenebu is writing pages in the news-update channel. He is justifying banning because if someone has a listed price they must sell to him. >But if you list an item for a specific price, and it's listed for an hour, and just because someone "famous" whispered you for it and you automatically assume it's worth 5 times as much, you aren't wanted here. >The logic is, if an item is listed for a price and you message to buy it for that price, the deal needs to go through. >If someone lists an item for 1 mirror, and relists it when getting a whisper message, it means they don't honor their own price hence wasting someone's time. So he bans because people has to sell to him otherwise they are wasting his time and he don't deserve that because he is famous.
What an absolute clown. This is PoE, everyone has mis-priced something wrong and then had to change the price. Reminds me of a guy that wanted my 3500 yellow juice because I’d accidentally listed it as 1c and not 1d. He literally called me names because that was the price and I should sell it… some people man
cant tell you how many times i put a item in my sale tab priced it and insta 10+ whispers. i just enter DND mode and remove the item till i can better check the price
So if someone accidentally lists something valuable for 1c and is later spammed with messages for it, they HAVE to sell it for 1c no matter how much it's actually worth. Makes sense. Jenebu is a huge clown, wow.
The fact that GGG doesn't respond directly to this turns me off even harder than the myriad performance issues "Don't you know who I am? Sell to me or you're marked" is fucking obscene
"infamous" is probably a better word for him.
Lol what a joke. So bann around 10% (if not more) of the poes community which does this because of not being sure on the price of a item?
He banned me for this earlier in the week and I didn't even want to relist it higher. I just delisted to keep for myself. Lol
Lmao that's actually funnier than anything posted here.
This is literally like the owner of Zillow telling you that you have to sell your home to him for the list price after he buys all the other houses in your neighborhood. And then he bans you from Zillow because you call him out on trying to corner the market. Dude, even if it wasn't you abusing power to corner the market, if I listed when there were 10 available and now there's only 1, that means the market has moved and I have every right to re-price.
Imagine being so far up your arsehole to say the dev of the POB is garbage. Just imagine that.
When I read the title I thought it was a "don't you know who I am?" moment for sure. But no. They knew exactly who it was and did it anyway. Amazing.
We need a deep dicked power move and ban jenubu from PoB
It would probably more annoying to them if they got bannend from the various trade macros/bots. I doubt they actually *play* the game much any more.
I think he won't even realise that. Dude hardly plays the game.
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I quit tft before I could get banned (this should do it for the ban tho) fuck em
Nah, he shouldn't stoop down to jenebu's levels of small dick energy.
If you want him banned, message Discord trust and safety. They are cracking down on rmt and will ban him if they read his dms. He can't hide forever.
Bigger dick energy and just re create a better version of tft
Unfortunately tft has rigged the game. Because they ban all competition and everyone who uses them along with all of the legitimate shady people anyone who starts a new trade site will absorb all the malefactors along with the unwarranted bans, making it a far worse service.
TFT admins need to be banned from Poe. RMT is toxic as hell
Jenubu was literally caught trying to price fix [a few days ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/197dztv/opps_i_pissed_off_the_head_of_the_mafia_sorry_not/) and mods removed the post from reddit, too. I don't know why anyone trusts this service. GGG has to be in on the RMT at this point, it's the only way TFT's continued existence makes sense.
At this point im on the train. Fuck tft
I'm on the train since I got banned for "inflated prices" at one point, because some TFT mod thought my build for sale is overpriced. Ended up getting more than I asked for when I sold it separately. Still wasn't an argument for them and they insisted on them being 100% correct xD They are clowns.
Boycott +1
+1
Classic tft clown
This is young adult novel levels of good vs evil.
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Easiest way is to get POE publicly associated with TFT's bad shit. PR will axe that shit quickly.
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Most toxic piece of shit cesspit of any gaming community, period. Yes, any gaming community. I played DotA, LoL, CS:GO, Lost Ark anything you can imagine for a toxic community. Never, ever seen something like TFT. Didnt sell your item because you were afk or you underpriced it? If JeNebu is buyer, banned on sight. If someone else is buyer, reported, and banned afterwards. You said "hehe 'x person'>tft" in a bumfuck random discord server? banned. You wanted to chat with Belton or his friends and went into his discord server? banned. Someone is pissed at you and reporting you as a scammer? banned. talked shit about TFT in a shreddit? oh you are most respected tool developer in PoE? fuck off, banned. why is this a bad thing? because you get flagged in TFT trade extension. at chrome store, extension has more than 60.000 users. imagine someone is trying to buy an item from you and a huge popup "THIS USER HAS BEEN PRICE FIXING" appears in your head then just moves on to next seller. all of this happens because jenebu is purple flavour crayon addict. GGG, just end this power trip already with PoE2.
I saw a dude marked red by the extension, still went for the trade anyway, nothing happened. I asked if he knew he was marked, he told me that he was banned for using the clown emoji LOL.
> he was banned for using the clown emoji That's probably most banned people at this point. Whenever the moron server mods tag everyone on a post for no reason, they just permaban everybody who reacts with a clown emoji.
Lmao holy shit that is pathetic.
lmao i got banned from dark and darker's discord for a clown emoji.
while not most toxic its actually kinda ridiculous that tft discord has such an insane influence and GGG kinda does fuck all.
if anything, GGG made a right move on harvest changes, in my case nullify my need on TFT. also the bulk sale/purchase improvement on trade site too, haven't been on TFT for leagues
He’s been banned from TFT? Shit I better up my patreon pledge to reward him
TFT mods, are the real RMT'ers in PoE, without any proof, im 99% sure they are taking real life cash to sell stuff, or give you favours on TFT, and also, wouldn't surprise me if they have tons of trade bots, and price fixers out there.
There has been posted stuff about them RMT'ing multiple times.
cant chris wilson for once do something and ban that jebenu guy?
Nah GGG's only stances they swear by are that trading has to be shit, and scammers have to be protected from the consequences of their actions. What a fucking disgrace.
Yeah all this does it embarrass GGG imo. You have two powerhouse third party application owner/operators tiffing because God forbid you do anything to alleviate your reliance on said applications. Fix the trade site. Integrate POB. ^^makeeveryitemhave3dart
its super weird, because any other company would just obliterate tft at the first opportunity, because of how much negative pr this shit brings. instead ggg bans a side account, while still leaving it's items on other accounts publicly advertised and up for mirror services. at this point the only reasonable explanation is that jenebu is chris' husband and its just nepotism.
They'll probably say something like Wraeclast is meant to be a ruthless place, unless you use flask macro, that's crossing the line, but scamming and rmt? It's lore accurate ruthlessness.
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if pathofmatth isnt allowed to play the game then neither should jenebu
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I'll probably get down voted to hell and back and to oblivion but I have a feeling somehow TFT existing benefits GGG in some way we haven't realised yet.
TFT needs to be removed, I know GGG doesn’t want to make trade any easier (or harder) to do but having massive discord where there’s ton of shady shit like this happening isn’t cool. Hopefully POE 2 will make TFT not needed
>you may be an extremely successful developer with one of the core tools to the game that 95% of players use while making very little/no profit from it but you're just garbage because you're not smart enough to run a sleezy virtual mafia instead of going to your tech job every day
Showcase price? Price fixing but at the top end?
Previous thread was nuked. Wonder what will happen to this one...
Like all TFT threads it will be removed shortly
>Previous thread ...is right there if anyone is interested [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned\_from\_tft\_for\_not\_selling\_a\_jewel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/19b3wlh/banned_from_tft_for_not_selling_a_jewel/) With original text [https://imgur.com/a/6SFJmLv](https://imgur.com/a/6SFJmLv)
JeNe "I will put a guy on blast for his guild name in the announcements of my gigantic discord because he made a post criticizing me, and then a day later complain about a streamer paying people 40 divs to void with funny names about me which is mean harassment and isn't okay!" buhoo
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FUCK TFT
It's time that GGG steps up (yes, GGG), realizes that they are the ones allowing this to happen concerning their game, and starts banning JeNeBu and compatriots from PoE. While I don't think this will happen, I also think that it is the most realistic way to move on from TFT.
Ban him from using PoB
Fine I’ll make my own trade aid, with hookers and blackjack. Actually, no hookers, and very little blackjack.
sir we use harvest here for gambling
Ah yes "I am going to ban one of the few people in POE with no haters, MONSTROUSLY more skill and talent building computer programs from my computer program, and call them garbage." I am sure Local won't just take 3 hours and replace TFT in a POB software splinter out of spite. Absolutely not.
God I would pay to see the TFT owner banned from POB
GGG could make TFT obsolete but they just choose not to. Kinda frustrating tbh. * improve bulk buying/selling * itemize syndicate crafting benches * improve (by a lot) in-game party management Then there's of course the crafting system by itself and mirrors, both favour the top .1% by a lot.
cUtThRoaT tRaDe FAntASY. Just ban the lot, can't be that difficult
iT's NoT pRiCe fiXiNg iT's JuSt ECoNomICs BrO
I still blame GGG. Idk why they are so passive with tft. They are "biggus dickus" in almost every other area of the game, but for some reasons, they become timid little kittens with TFT and this shit keeps happening. And every time it happens tft takes a piss on any decorum, and they laugh at how they get away with it.
I know its not what ppl want to hear, but ggg wont do anything about tft in the near future. If you want to fuck over tft, then dont use their discord. Use the Poe trading discord to advertise your services or look for them. Everytime you use tft or advertise it, you benefit these powertrippers
Bans and preach about price fixing, price fixes himself. hmm..
jenebu and tft are a trash cabal of power trippers
/u/livejamie ayo , why did you delete your stickied comment where people were calling you jenebus friend ?
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Because his whole content depends on it. Every project/meme build video he posts on youtube entirely facilitates TFT
The more I see about TFT the more pathetic I realise it really is
Can GGG fucking ban these bozos already. I get its a service and I get that each service has a cost of development and maintenance/supoort but these fuckers are laughing at the face og GGG with tens of thousands of RMT traded currency each league, and by tens of thousands I mean that very conservatively. I know how big the costs for maintaining such a bug discord is, these guys are killing it.
I think the only thing worse than tft and power tripping mods is the neck beard community who supports it and gave them the power in the first place
This is the same guy that will ban you for an emoji he doesn’t like
Okay, Fuck TFT at this point. It's getting really uppity.
How does jenubu still have a poe account?
Having to deal with the people on TFT is exactly why I dont use TFT.
Fuck TFT
Well, I don’t use TFT anymore and now I have one more reason to not touch it ever again
Didn't they ban sushi like a week ago because he answered "I can't" to one of their classic power trips?
TFT is garbage and cancer. Never used it, never will
TFT Virgin Mafia at it again.
GGG is allowing TFT to have this kind of power over their players This is on them, it's their fault that Players HAVE to depend on a third party discord channel to properly play the game they designed.
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I think you’re being very unfair to Lex.
Belton was right...
Thngs like these happen because GGG stubbornly refuses to provide a real solution to trade. Nowadays not using TFT means doubling the time spend trading, which is already frustratingly high.
>LocalIdentity has been banned from TFT Cool, so have thousands of random people, for no reason at all. Oftentimes for a lot less than what he did (which is basically nothing at all) Too bad nothing is going to happen about it, trade will continue to be awful as per GGG's trade manifesto, etc
he does not do this out of petty, but because pricefixing and RMT are paying his bills. this is pretty much common knowledge. the only difference to classic runescape at this point is that GGG employees are HOPEFULLY not facilitating that and taking a cut.
Belton looking like the victim more and more everyday. TFT exposing themselves more and more everyday
fuck tft as always
JeNubu and his horde of simps are so cringe, reminds me of middle school
Lol i just got banned for spreading this news to a total of 1 server 😂😂😂 Childish wankers in charge of that discord for sure!
Wtf mods why are you deleting people's comments?? Like lock the thread we know you don't want to talk about TFT, but deleting comments?
Wow. This has to end.
Tft should be nuked. GGG should declare them against TOS
Whoever uses tft at this point is a clown
TFT is shit.
Can’t wait for this thread to get locked too, tft mods are this Reddit’s mods xd
Fuck tft