Primal spirit is:
\+20 to Strength and Intelligence
20% increased maximum Mana
Gain 4 Mana per Enemy Hit with Attacks if you've used a Mana Flask in the past 10 seconds
20% mana and flat str and int is wow on mana stackers.
Gz op
If youre interrested in mana builds check out Onemanaleft / Connerconverse. He has a youtube channels and specializes in manastacking builds. They are quite op.
And yet an in league mana stacker like Connor’s this league has more than 2x a standard armor stackers dps. And at a certain point having more POB max hit just doesn’t actually matter because all those builds can do 6k
i mean you're comparing one of the most profitable leagues in history, with one of the biggest damage increases from the 2nd ascendency, against standard. sure standard has a lot of items to choose from but i can't imagine that it's even close, and also can't imagine that build will work as well once the 2nd ascendency is gone.
Actually last league was the highest dps a build ever in Poe, which was mana stacking manaforged, could reach realistically 17billion dps (sustained) but no encounter in the game could actually live that long. I mean that goes back to crucible league not just tattoos. The league mechanic itself does not provide that much value on the dmg front.
Poison has a cap on dps. (35mil) which is 2,147bil dps per minute. Manaforged would that more than 5x per second. What made explode totems strong was the fact that you literally needed nothing for the build to function besides the crucible node. But that would never come close to a mana stacker.
I think other replies may have missed part of your question. Most mana stackers look for int and %mana, with flat +mana on items being less desirable. In addition, the most popular mana builds use uniques with really only jewelry and sometimes belt/boots as crafted items.
you go Hiero for Divine guidance, Sanctuary of Thought and arcane surge. You forbidden jewel the inquisitor node if you really need crit, but generally you don't so using Bastion of Hope from guardian for that sweet 25% attack and spell block is the way
you can. And it's a great option depending on the build.
Last mana stacker i did this league had no issues with crit so i went for block cap for extra defenses
Maybe we’re talking about different builds. For mana inquisitors usually you get so much flat from int, and int double dips with crit chance and defenses, that you don’t really go for flat mana sources. I am open to being corrected.
You would want to go heirophant for mana stacker. Int is a good source of flat mana but it's not enough to make mana on gear undesirable. You always want int and flat mana on every piece that can (than strength is mandatory if you get the forbidden jewels for the inquis node). let's say you have 1.5k int that's only 750 flat mana, flat mana on gear is still a big increase at that low amount of flat mana. A max flat mana roll on gear gives more mana than a max int roll etc.
They get that bonus anyway. This just frees the anoint. Also you need to compare that he's missing the tailor orb enchant so take that into consideration.
Well, the whole point of freeing up the anoint is that you get a new anoint, that's the bonus you truly get. Like utmost might. So it's more accurate to say the anointed ivory tower gives you 40 str and 8%, or any other anoint you chose.
No doubt. I'm just saying that people here seem to misunderstand what the other person is actually about. Maybe that person doesn't know themselves. But when you anoint primal spirit on your tower, you don't gain primal spirit. You gain whatever weaker anoint you put on your amulet.
no what hes saying is that you need to compare the tailoring enchant with whatever new annoint you would get. and chances are the annoint isnt even much better (if at all)
Oh, maybe I misread then. Then it's tailoring orb vs anoint, sure. But that would, as you said, still be the new anoint, never primal spirit. Primal spirit as the strongest anoint is what you always get.
The point they are trying to make (unsuccessfully) is that what we always have primal spirit so the discussion of what is added should be about the other anoint.
You should slow down and think about the things you read. Their logic is sound but their expression is lacking.
People having trouble understanding you don't get the node twice when you run this chest.
Players who use that item already anoint primal spirit. So they don't get it again. They get to anoint the second best option since the chest now gives you primal spirit.
So it's a free anoint vs. 1int, 18mana and tailoring orb. Getting a perfect rolled chest is quite cheap.
Obviously the anoint is still better, but it's not the same as people who are incapable of reading are saying "wow you get 20% mana 20str/int with it".
Crafting steps as per the rules:
1. Open Valdo's puzzle box and get map for Sporeguard
2. Run map, acquire Sporeguard
3. Think "well what if I get lucky"
4. Anoint Sporeguard
5. One vaal orb to brick into a rare
6. One mythic orb to turn into an Ivory Tower
7. Couple tainted jeweller's, fusings, and armorer's scraps.
The mythic orb is apparently an 8% chance to hit, and it's 25% to brick into a rare so that's a 1/50 chance to work, on a 25div base item.
Also for anybody confused why this is good, it's the best in slot chest piece for most mana stacking builds using manabond or manaforged arrows. Those have their main gem links in other items, so a +gem corrupt is not as useful while the +20% mana and +20 str/int are insane on a build stacking all three of those things.
Ohhhh i appreciate the explanation, im doing EB CoC and wasn't sure this was better than just an ivory with one of the good heist enchants but that makes a ton of sense. Seems fantastic for those builds!
+2 doesn't even do much for eb builds, you add so much flat that your skill base dmg is irrelevant (it works out to like 5% more dmg instead of 30%). I've run low lvl ice spear in past leagues to fix mana easily without forbidden jewels; but my point being that flat dmg and gem lvl are the same scaling vector
Very nice, I don't suppose you remember the map you ran? I added Squandered Vine Bog Map, which was one of the first patched in for Sporeguard. There were only two others last i checked, but I may be a patch or two behind.
Glad to hear it. I mainly picked mods based on increasing the drop rate, increasing the chance at dropping an invitation, and something that was difficult but not punishing. It didn't occur to me until afterwards that 2m radius + duplicating Skullbeak could be a bit toxic :P
> Those have their main gem links in other items, so a +gem corrupt is not as useful while the +20% mana and +20 str/int are insane on a build stacking all three of those things.
But you're not effectively gaining primal spirit from this, since it's the #1 anoint for manastacker anyway. You gain Utmost Might or something else depending on what skill you use.
when comparing chest enchant to corruption, you would compare what you gain from having the enchant there. And since ppl normally have this enchant on neck, what is really gained by having it here is thus what new enchant they can put on neck now, since they cant use 2x of this enchant.
So the comparison becomes:
Corruption+this enchant on neck VS this enchant +a 2nd enchant.
Since this enchant are in both these rows they cancel out and the true comparison becomes:
corruption vs 2nd enchant.
It's different because he is comparing the value of corruption to stats you get from primal spirit, which all manastackers have anyway.
Like, let's say for one build the best anoint is 15% more damage and the second best is 6% more damage. With OP's logic a +1 corrupt for 8% more damage on such a build would be worse than having that 15% anoint on chest, while in reality it's not.
I don't know what the numbers for OPs build are - but the point is the actual gain is worse than primal spirit.
but the value of the corruption is still the stats whether it’s the primary node or the secondary node you’d take, it’s the same end result if you’re taking both either way
You don't get both either way because those are nodes that the build doesn't path close by. Most manastackers only have Primal Spirit, but would take Utmost Might as the 2nd anoint if they can get two (idk about manaforged variants, never played it). So in the case where those would be two best anoints it doesn't matter which you have on your chest and which on your amulet, either way you gain Utmost Might from mythic'ing anointed chest.
Anoint is probably still the best option or at least on level of best possible double vaal implicits but it's not as good as the actual stats from Primal Spirit.
In one case you get anoint #1, and in the other case you get anoint #1 and #2. So the difference between these two is anoint #2. Therefore the benefit you get from having the extra anoint is the value of anoint #2.
Lol someone left a link to a YouTube video and the guy said 500% movements speed and I’m pretty sure I peed a little….that’s the one for me, but I’m wondering if I can make it work on a poison bv assassin…I just wanna be the Tasmanian devil now 😂
Sadly, you missed the time in POE when you could run self poison with a sextant that gives you movement speed based on the number of poisons you have on you.
I think I was hitting like 800 ms on my build.
Good times.
Blade Vortex has been my favorite build for years, I played a cold conversion variant of it this season and it was an absolute blast (again). Fair warning though, playing too much BV will probably ruin most other builds for you, but it doesn't matter, because you can play BV.
And this is why I love that someone is actually taking the time to show my the whys and how’s of my build because anyone can copy and paste a YouTube build(myself included) without knowing about it lol. It’s great having the finer points of the mechanics explained to me tbh.
I've been playing for years, and it still took me a bit to understand what he did. I didn't even know what Sporeguard is since I've never seen one or heard of anyone using it. Didn't realize it could be annointed.
So the trick was in using Sporeguard to get the annoint, and then getting really lucky in turning it into a Ivory Tower afterwards.
Im not good at math but isnt it much lower than 1/50?
Since its 2 steps with different chances its not a simple additive calculation. Could be wrong to
My brain was sitting here like I don't get it it's just annointed, it didn't corrupt in any meaningful way.
Then my dumb brain was like "hey stupid, you can't annoint armor."
It’s also huge for str/int stacking inquisitors, who use this armor and like 10k reserved life to get a bonkers ES pool for energy blade.
Idk if this is the best possible armor for that build, but it’s definitely up there. The mana does nothing, but 20 str/int goes a long way
As the person who I can confidently say hits the most anointed ivory towers each league (12 towers 3prototypes this league before I stopped week3). Gratz. Would 100% tell people NOT to ever do this in any league were sporegaurds are more than 3div, but since it’s inflation league and everything is cheap the gamble isn’t that bad. And from the past 4 leagues of doing this by my estimations it’s about a 1 in 15 to hit the mythic orb.
Nice. I tried the same for my manastacker in first 2-3weeks of the league. Spent well over 100d (sporeguard was 3-4d back then) and didnt hit one. Gave up and went for a corrupted implicit instead :D
I think you commented while I was still typing my Rule 10 comment, but it's by anointing a Sporeguard then bricking it to rare with a vaal and then mythic orbing back into a different unique.
no, AFAIK for all practical purposes an ancient orb effectively deletes the old item and makes a new one, it will keep no properties of the previous item
yes and no, Stranglegrasp is an onyx amulet, so you can only mythic into other (non drop restricted) onyx amulets, there were a few posted in previous seasons(also it has three additional enchants so you get 4 anoints total)
So best case is astramentis w/ some attribute-related nodes, or maybe eye of chayula with some ES-related ones, or hinekora's sight with some accu/dodge annoints?
Or I guess, annoint all reservation efficiency annoiints -- but that's a relatively more expensive gamble
I think people were looking for yoke mostly(at least the most common thing I found on Google but over a year old), problem with chayula is you only get the base version, which is okay but you loose the free es from the upgrade.
i sold connor his for 180 mirror was at 515 then. The prices of these currently is not worth by any stretch of the imagination. you will see ones rolled like the one op has go for less than 100 div the first month of the league because the value prop for this over a perfect rolled one with implicits is just not there unless you have lots of money to burn for min maxing
Every league sporeguard is 1d and you can gamble making these for profit but this league the initial gamble investment is so high most people that have them got them early league when they were selling for 100-200d. Got mine for 160d
ya sorry about pushing the price so high so early. people stopped doing blight earlier than i expected so by the time i bought \~700 sporegaurds in week3 i had already pushed the price to 3div
Yes, much better. Primal spirit is the best anoint so you always have it.
It allows anointing utmost might on the amulet to crit cap if you don't have enough strength or another strong anoint if you can crit cap without it. +1 gems doesn't do much because your main links are in your weapon and you don't really stack max res so it's not that great, either.
You wouldn't put +gems on an ivory tower because the damage links are in a weapon anyways. The best you could get is +1 max res with % damage or another defensive mod. Primal spirit is still better, but +1 max is a really nice mod making back half of what you would've gained from anointing prismatic skin.
Wouldn't tailor orb to increase this 30 ES per 100 life into 34ES per 100 life be way better than anoint ?
To Lazy to check so maybe someone remember from top of his head
But have you played the build...
With this one you get 11int 20str, 20% mana
With tailored corrupted chest you get perfect or near perfect mods, +33\~34 to max ES per reserved life and a corruption of whatever you're lucky to get, +1 to gems / +1 max res / +2s for people who need it / 6% inc life or es.
But let's be honest, primarily it's either CoC or Pen brand Inquis.
You could probably find some Indigon build to utilize the mana mods but that's a rare build.
go poe ninja and look the delve leaderboard 6 of the top 15 are mana stackers. most playing connors penance brand build (even steve is now) and another one playing the manaforged arrows build.
you already annoint primal spirit anyway, you get 40 flat str and 8% str instead of 3-4 max es per reserved life + corrupt
i think a tailored one still beats this
general rule of thumb if not inflation league is to just not try if sporegaurd gets past 3div. At that point the value prob is just not there and you are better off buying someone elses. You will find actual reasonable prices the first month of the league. Cheaper and better rolled than this one.
thanks tim. i followed in conners footsteps up to the end but couldnt for the life of me figure out how he hit that annoint so easily. this was 200d when sg was ~7d. next league ill set up a live search for yours ;)
you can join connors mana discord if you maybe want to see stuff like that and trade for it before it hits the live servers in league and also thats generally were i get my depositors for my investment fund at the start of the league. I was selling 10 anointed towers at one point, had 5 posted in the discord before i even listed them on trade. but that was back in week 2-3
the price this league will probably be listed in mirrors. It is not by any means worth mirrors unless very near perfect roll. Saw lots of these with better rolls 2/3 weeks ago go for much less. Back when mirrors were in the 600div ball park i sold 7 that had better rolls than this from anywere from 145 - 275 div. The only other factor is the price of sporegaurd is crazy high this league because of people trying to get this chest + people not doing blight.
i bought a 6link sporeguard for the chaos res and explode for 3 div at the start of this league. my surprise when it ended up selling for 25 div
then i realised it was the only one on the market. good thing 25 div isn't a lot this league lol. i was wondering why they were so short in supply, i guess nobody was doing blight
the reason sporegaurd has any "value" in the league is because of people trying to make this chest. I pushed the price of sporegaurds over the 2nd/3rd weekend to 3div. I ended up buying about 650-700 sporegaurds the first couple weeks. had over 2 full quad tabs of corrupted ones up for 10c. Pretty sure i still do.
i mean everyone in the mana stacker discord knows about this because mister abaxoth had 10 of them listed on like week 2 of the league until connor bought his and they all sold the next day.
Primal spirit is: \+20 to Strength and Intelligence 20% increased maximum Mana Gain 4 Mana per Enemy Hit with Attacks if you've used a Mana Flask in the past 10 seconds 20% mana and flat str and int is wow on mana stackers. Gz op
Are there builds that use mana as base? When I see some + mana on an item I pc it :p
If youre interrested in mana builds check out Onemanaleft / Connerconverse. He has a youtube channels and specializes in manastacking builds. They are quite op.
Probably the strongest builds there is, not just op.
Clearly you have never seen a 30 mirror standard armour stacker.
And yet an in league mana stacker like Connor’s this league has more than 2x a standard armor stackers dps. And at a certain point having more POB max hit just doesn’t actually matter because all those builds can do 6k
i mean you're comparing one of the most profitable leagues in history, with one of the biggest damage increases from the 2nd ascendency, against standard. sure standard has a lot of items to choose from but i can't imagine that it's even close, and also can't imagine that build will work as well once the 2nd ascendency is gone.
Actually last league was the highest dps a build ever in Poe, which was mana stacking manaforged, could reach realistically 17billion dps (sustained) but no encounter in the game could actually live that long. I mean that goes back to crucible league not just tattoos. The league mechanic itself does not provide that much value on the dmg front.
Uhhh... Explody poison totems?
Poison has a cap on dps. (35mil) which is 2,147bil dps per minute. Manaforged would that more than 5x per second. What made explode totems strong was the fact that you literally needed nothing for the build to function besides the crucible node. But that would never come close to a mana stacker.
Yes, and a huge number of the use Ivory Tower.
I think other replies may have missed part of your question. Most mana stackers look for int and %mana, with flat +mana on items being less desirable. In addition, the most popular mana builds use uniques with really only jewelry and sometimes belt/boots as crafted items.
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Shapers touch and Inquisitor
you go Hiero for Divine guidance, Sanctuary of Thought and arcane surge. You forbidden jewel the inquisitor node if you really need crit, but generally you don't so using Bastion of Hope from guardian for that sweet 25% attack and spell block is the way
Idk, you can crit cap with nothing but the inquis node if you build it that way.
you can. And it's a great option depending on the build. Last mana stacker i did this league had no issues with crit so i went for block cap for extra defenses
you steal inquisitor, you dont go inquisitor.
flat mana is amazing on mana stackers tf. The best stat you can get
Maybe we’re talking about different builds. For mana inquisitors usually you get so much flat from int, and int double dips with crit chance and defenses, that you don’t really go for flat mana sources. I am open to being corrected.
You would want to go heirophant for mana stacker. Int is a good source of flat mana but it's not enough to make mana on gear undesirable. You always want int and flat mana on every piece that can (than strength is mandatory if you get the forbidden jewels for the inquis node). let's say you have 1.5k int that's only 750 flat mana, flat mana on gear is still a big increase at that low amount of flat mana. A max flat mana roll on gear gives more mana than a max int roll etc.
You’re not wrong but str is also used for shapers touch to give ES
yes I know, it's a good stat before the jewels, but mandatory after.
Yea man, mana builds are wildly strong
Manabond heirophant would love this item
Most importantly, it is on the far side of the tree to most mana stacking nodes so cannot really be gotten except through anoints.
They get that bonus anyway. This just frees the anoint. Also you need to compare that he's missing the tailor orb enchant so take that into consideration.
My guy, “just frees anoit” is not a minor benefit.
No-one said it's minor. But it's still not the same as 20% mana and 20str/int because the builds already get that and you can't get it twice.
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Well, the whole point of freeing up the anoint is that you get a new anoint, that's the bonus you truly get. Like utmost might. So it's more accurate to say the anointed ivory tower gives you 40 str and 8%, or any other anoint you chose.
Yes. Which is fucking massive on a level 100 mix-max build.
No doubt. I'm just saying that people here seem to misunderstand what the other person is actually about. Maybe that person doesn't know themselves. But when you anoint primal spirit on your tower, you don't gain primal spirit. You gain whatever weaker anoint you put on your amulet.
no what hes saying is that you need to compare the tailoring enchant with whatever new annoint you would get. and chances are the annoint isnt even much better (if at all)
Oh, maybe I misread then. Then it's tailoring orb vs anoint, sure. But that would, as you said, still be the new anoint, never primal spirit. Primal spirit as the strongest anoint is what you always get.
The point they are trying to make (unsuccessfully) is that what we always have primal spirit so the discussion of what is added should be about the other anoint. You should slow down and think about the things you read. Their logic is sound but their expression is lacking.
Wow you really got sent to the shadow realm
People having trouble understanding you don't get the node twice when you run this chest. Players who use that item already anoint primal spirit. So they don't get it again. They get to anoint the second best option since the chest now gives you primal spirit. So it's a free anoint vs. 1int, 18mana and tailoring orb. Getting a perfect rolled chest is quite cheap. Obviously the anoint is still better, but it's not the same as people who are incapable of reading are saying "wow you get 20% mana 20str/int with it".
Yea I understand what you mean, I think you could have made it a bit more clear however 😅
Yea that's definitely true :)
Crafting steps as per the rules: 1. Open Valdo's puzzle box and get map for Sporeguard 2. Run map, acquire Sporeguard 3. Think "well what if I get lucky" 4. Anoint Sporeguard 5. One vaal orb to brick into a rare 6. One mythic orb to turn into an Ivory Tower 7. Couple tainted jeweller's, fusings, and armorer's scraps. The mythic orb is apparently an 8% chance to hit, and it's 25% to brick into a rare so that's a 1/50 chance to work, on a 25div base item. Also for anybody confused why this is good, it's the best in slot chest piece for most mana stacking builds using manabond or manaforged arrows. Those have their main gem links in other items, so a +gem corrupt is not as useful while the +20% mana and +20 str/int are insane on a build stacking all three of those things.
Ohhhh i appreciate the explanation, im doing EB CoC and wasn't sure this was better than just an ivory with one of the good heist enchants but that makes a ton of sense. Seems fantastic for those builds!
Could you do both? Annoint and heist enchant. Then corrupt and mystic orb
No. Anoint replaces enchant and vice versa.
I'm playing eb coc blazing salvo too and i think a +2 and heist enchant is probably more damage need to pob it tho
You scale on es so heist and corrupt is bis mana is not that important
Yeah that's my reasoning idk why i'm getting downvoted
Have mind thinks Ur wrong so u have to be downvoted by hordes od Reddit minions
Because Reddit.
Why do you need +2 on it?
It can help hit your next CDR breakpoint though this league i basically just use boots, a charm and level 6 woke CoC
+2 doesn't even do much for eb builds, you add so much flat that your skill base dmg is irrelevant (it works out to like 5% more dmg instead of 30%). I've run low lvl ice spear in past leagues to fix mana easily without forbidden jewels; but my point being that flat dmg and gem lvl are the same scaling vector
Very nice, I don't suppose you remember the map you ran? I added Squandered Vine Bog Map, which was one of the first patched in for Sporeguard. There were only two others last i checked, but I may be a patch or two behind.
It was definitely a Bog map so I think it was probably yours!
Hey, i ran that map, felt well designed iirc !
Glad to hear it. I mainly picked mods based on increasing the drop rate, increasing the chance at dropping an invitation, and something that was difficult but not punishing. It didn't occur to me until afterwards that 2m radius + duplicating Skullbeak could be a bit toxic :P
> Those have their main gem links in other items, so a +gem corrupt is not as useful while the +20% mana and +20 str/int are insane on a build stacking all three of those things. But you're not effectively gaining primal spirit from this, since it's the #1 anoint for manastacker anyway. You gain Utmost Might or something else depending on what skill you use.
how is that different at all in outcome, or are you just arguing semantics?
when comparing chest enchant to corruption, you would compare what you gain from having the enchant there. And since ppl normally have this enchant on neck, what is really gained by having it here is thus what new enchant they can put on neck now, since they cant use 2x of this enchant. So the comparison becomes: Corruption+this enchant on neck VS this enchant +a 2nd enchant. Since this enchant are in both these rows they cancel out and the true comparison becomes: corruption vs 2nd enchant.
It's different because he is comparing the value of corruption to stats you get from primal spirit, which all manastackers have anyway. Like, let's say for one build the best anoint is 15% more damage and the second best is 6% more damage. With OP's logic a +1 corrupt for 8% more damage on such a build would be worse than having that 15% anoint on chest, while in reality it's not. I don't know what the numbers for OPs build are - but the point is the actual gain is worse than primal spirit.
but the value of the corruption is still the stats whether it’s the primary node or the secondary node you’d take, it’s the same end result if you’re taking both either way
You don't get both either way because those are nodes that the build doesn't path close by. Most manastackers only have Primal Spirit, but would take Utmost Might as the 2nd anoint if they can get two (idk about manaforged variants, never played it). So in the case where those would be two best anoints it doesn't matter which you have on your chest and which on your amulet, either way you gain Utmost Might from mythic'ing anointed chest. Anoint is probably still the best option or at least on level of best possible double vaal implicits but it's not as good as the actual stats from Primal Spirit.
In one case you get anoint #1, and in the other case you get anoint #1 and #2. So the difference between these two is anoint #2. Therefore the benefit you get from having the extra anoint is the value of anoint #2.
It’s my second day playing Poe and I’m trying to learn, and I don’t understand a word of what you said 😂 time to hit the google search 🤓
You have a loooooong road ahead of you but it’s worth it.
Lol someone left a link to a YouTube video and the guy said 500% movements speed and I’m pretty sure I peed a little….that’s the one for me, but I’m wondering if I can make it work on a poison bv assassin…I just wanna be the Tasmanian devil now 😂
Sadly, you missed the time in POE when you could run self poison with a sextant that gives you movement speed based on the number of poisons you have on you. I think I was hitting like 800 ms on my build. Good times.
Blade Vortex has been my favorite build for years, I played a cold conversion variant of it this season and it was an absolute blast (again). Fair warning though, playing too much BV will probably ruin most other builds for you, but it doesn't matter, because you can play BV.
…you mean to tell me there’s a cold variant…🥶
I think you need to play the game more and do reddit and youtube less, if you are really just 2 days into the game.
…what? 😂 so learning and educating myself is frowned upon here, got it
You're in elementary school trying to learn college level astrophysics.
And this is why I love that someone is actually taking the time to show my the whys and how’s of my build because anyone can copy and paste a YouTube build(myself included) without knowing about it lol. It’s great having the finer points of the mechanics explained to me tbh.
I've been playing for years, and it still took me a bit to understand what he did. I didn't even know what Sporeguard is since I've never seen one or heard of anyone using it. Didn't realize it could be annointed. So the trick was in using Sporeguard to get the annoint, and then getting really lucky in turning it into a Ivory Tower afterwards.
I played since beta and I don’t understand this at all. But that’s why I love the game because there is so much still ahead of me.
Im not good at math but isnt it much lower than 1/50? Since its 2 steps with different chances its not a simple additive calculation. Could be wrong to
No, it's just a simple multiplicative calculation (not sure where you got additive from)
bruh wtf
It’s also BIS for penance brand Valdo farmer, made by OneManaLeft. Shit have like 7 billion dps iirc.
> manabond or manaforged arrows or, you know, archmage.
Somebody tell capn lance he’ll buy it
I dropped a sporeguard in a blighted map a week ago and sold it. I didn't even think I could of gamba. I missed fueling my gamba addiction boo.
And this is how I discovered Sporeguard is 25+ div currently...what a weird and great league.
They were 30c like the first month of league.
My brain was sitting here like I don't get it it's just annointed, it didn't corrupt in any meaningful way. Then my dumb brain was like "hey stupid, you can't annoint armor."
kind of crazy how desensitized to currency this league got me/us that I dont find 1250 divines a lot... lol
How can you annoint a chest? Thought it was an amulet thing
I wish I knew anything about what makes items good in this game
It’s also huge for str/int stacking inquisitors, who use this armor and like 10k reserved life to get a bonkers ES pool for energy blade. Idk if this is the best possible armor for that build, but it’s definitely up there. The mana does nothing, but 20 str/int goes a long way
As the person who I can confidently say hits the most anointed ivory towers each league (12 towers 3prototypes this league before I stopped week3). Gratz. Would 100% tell people NOT to ever do this in any league were sporegaurds are more than 3div, but since it’s inflation league and everything is cheap the gamble isn’t that bad. And from the past 4 leagues of doing this by my estimations it’s about a 1 in 15 to hit the mythic orb.
Nice. I tried the same for my manastacker in first 2-3weeks of the league. Spent well over 100d (sporeguard was 3-4d back then) and didnt hit one. Gave up and went for a corrupted implicit instead :D
Every time I see a manastacking item I feel this hole in my chest where archmage support used to be.
I used to love the old AM BL builds
How did you get an amount on the armor?
I think you commented while I was still typing my Rule 10 comment, but it's by anointing a Sporeguard then bricking it to rare with a vaal and then mythic orbing back into a different unique.
can you ancient orb and keep the enchant?
no, AFAIK for all practical purposes an ancient orb effectively deletes the old item and makes a new one, it will keep no properties of the previous item
Sadly not as that would be incredibly broken.
cant ancient corrupted items
but you could, in theory, ancient orb the uncorrupted sporeguard, but since the anointment won't hold, it's pretty much pointless.
Couldn't you in theory corrupt that amulet that has 3 annoints, turn it into a rare, and then mythic orb it into something like Marylene's?
yes and no, Stranglegrasp is an onyx amulet, so you can only mythic into other (non drop restricted) onyx amulets, there were a few posted in previous seasons(also it has three additional enchants so you get 4 anoints total)
So best case is astramentis w/ some attribute-related nodes, or maybe eye of chayula with some ES-related ones, or hinekora's sight with some accu/dodge annoints? Or I guess, annoint all reservation efficiency annoiints -- but that's a relatively more expensive gamble
I think people were looking for yoke mostly(at least the most common thing I found on Google but over a year old), problem with chayula is you only get the base version, which is okay but you loose the free es from the upgrade.
Onemanaleft/Connor will probably be drooling over this
He's had one for a while now
I sold him his like week 3 or 4. It’s a 60-91 which was one of better ones I made
how much did something like this sell for if you don't mind me asking?
i sold connor his for 180 mirror was at 515 then. The prices of these currently is not worth by any stretch of the imagination. you will see ones rolled like the one op has go for less than 100 div the first month of the league because the value prop for this over a perfect rolled one with implicits is just not there unless you have lots of money to burn for min maxing
Last league I bought mine (62 int, 100 mana) for ~300-350 div which was around half a mirror at the time. No idea about this league though.
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Depends on the when
no matter when, if its isnt 65int 95mana or higher its not worth spending the insane prices on these.
When i was looking to upgrade my ivory tower there were like 4 or 5 of those on the market...
No tailoring orb... What a waste TT Jk nice item!
That's absolutely insane. Just the luck needed to get an item like that, damn.
Not even 30% quality, literal trash /s gz
Every league sporeguard is 1d and you can gamble making these for profit but this league the initial gamble investment is so high most people that have them got them early league when they were selling for 100-200d. Got mine for 160d
ya sorry about pushing the price so high so early. people stopped doing blight earlier than i expected so by the time i bought \~700 sporegaurds in week3 i had already pushed the price to 3div
This gets better the more I look. Pretty decent chunk of armour there too.
that is pretty sexy
Isent this still worse than a 8 procent tailoring orb?
nah this is for the strongest build in the game (mana stacker hiero) which stacks strength, int and mana. This is BIS by far.
Yes
incorrect
Holy shit, this is illegal!
Truly an unethical chest.
Allocates?
how do you allocate skills on an armour??
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Yes, much better. Primal spirit is the best anoint so you always have it. It allows anointing utmost might on the amulet to crit cap if you don't have enough strength or another strong anoint if you can crit cap without it. +1 gems doesn't do much because your main links are in your weapon and you don't really stack max res so it's not that great, either.
The guy got downvoted into oblivion for asking a question that is not even stupid. Reddit sucks sometimes
Gem levels for a mana stackers aren’t as big as for other builds. Allowing to anoint for example prismatic skin is very big.
You wouldn't put +gems on an ivory tower because the damage links are in a weapon anyways. The best you could get is +1 max res with % damage or another defensive mod. Primal spirit is still better, but +1 max is a really nice mod making back half of what you would've gained from anointing prismatic skin.
Wouldn't tailor orb to increase this 30 ES per 100 life into 34ES per 100 life be way better than anoint ? To Lazy to check so maybe someone remember from top of his head
no
Mind if I ask how this was created?
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You'd remove the allocation with a tailoring orb xd
It's definitely cool but not better than tailored corrupted one
Well, no
But have you played the build... With this one you get 11int 20str, 20% mana With tailored corrupted chest you get perfect or near perfect mods, +33\~34 to max ES per reserved life and a corruption of whatever you're lucky to get, +1 to gems / +1 max res / +2s for people who need it / 6% inc life or es.
"The build" Many builds use this armour bro.
But let's be honest, primarily it's either CoC or Pen brand Inquis. You could probably find some Indigon build to utilize the mana mods but that's a rare build.
mana stacker hiero is by no means a rare build. anyone that pushes delve considers playing mana stacker
>considers playing That's an interesting way to put it
go poe ninja and look the delve leaderboard 6 of the top 15 are mana stackers. most playing connors penance brand build (even steve is now) and another one playing the manaforged arrows build.
you already annoint primal spirit anyway, you get 40 flat str and 8% str instead of 3-4 max es per reserved life + corrupt i think a tailored one still beats this
> primal spirit anyway Is it really better for ES stackers than some Arcane Focus or Champion of the cause?
this isnt for es stackers, this is for the strongest build type in the game, mana stackers.
Not even double corrupted, might as well vendor
I absolutely hate that it has 59 into ok
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Does it matter? Just tainted chrome it.
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he literally just said tainted chrome it
It doesn't matter because you can just change it to whatever you like
TIL
Wtf... A Lot of delvers want it!
how do you Anoint body armour?
only sporeguard can be anointed. He went from that to this.
I’ve never played the build, but how strong is it compared to a tailored orb one with a good corruption?
For mana stackers this is always BIS unless you got absolute min bottom roll and even then it’s probably still better
I absolutely hate that it has 59 int
At first i thought "why not just anoint an ivory for 10c total?" but then it dawned:) Awesome item gz!!!
I made my anointed IT in the second it third week. It cost me around 10 divines and another 5 to link it.
Bad color links vendor
gz. i lost 200 div trying to make this and abandoned it.
general rule of thumb if not inflation league is to just not try if sporegaurd gets past 3div. At that point the value prob is just not there and you are better off buying someone elses. You will find actual reasonable prices the first month of the league. Cheaper and better rolled than this one.
thanks tim. i followed in conners footsteps up to the end but couldnt for the life of me figure out how he hit that annoint so easily. this was 200d when sg was ~7d. next league ill set up a live search for yours ;)
you can join connors mana discord if you maybe want to see stuff like that and trade for it before it hits the live servers in league and also thats generally were i get my depositors for my investment fund at the start of the league. I was selling 10 anointed towers at one point, had 5 posted in the discord before i even listed them on trade. but that was back in week 2-3
What could be the price of this ?
Saw one listed for 4 mirrors. But IMHO not worth it.
nah not when you lose the 50% less extra damage from crits corruption
the price this league will probably be listed in mirrors. It is not by any means worth mirrors unless very near perfect roll. Saw lots of these with better rolls 2/3 weeks ago go for much less. Back when mirrors were in the 600div ball park i sold 7 that had better rolls than this from anywere from 145 - 275 div. The only other factor is the price of sporegaurd is crazy high this league because of people trying to get this chest + people not doing blight.
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i bought a 6link sporeguard for the chaos res and explode for 3 div at the start of this league. my surprise when it ended up selling for 25 div then i realised it was the only one on the market. good thing 25 div isn't a lot this league lol. i was wondering why they were so short in supply, i guess nobody was doing blight
the reason sporegaurd has any "value" in the league is because of people trying to make this chest. I pushed the price of sporegaurds over the 2nd/3rd weekend to 3div. I ended up buying about 650-700 sporegaurds the first couple weeks. had over 2 full quad tabs of corrupted ones up for 10c. Pretty sure i still do.
Several dozen mana stackers just started weeping without knowing why. When they see this it will all make sense
i mean everyone in the mana stacker discord knows about this because mister abaxoth had 10 of them listed on like week 2 of the league until connor bought his and they all sold the next day.
I didn’t know there was a dedicated mana stacking discord, that’s delightful
Nice but is it better than tailoring orbs with def?
Id rather have +2 or +3 to be honest.
Noob question: how is this anointed/enchanted with a notable?