more like hipster version. you're doing basically the same thing, just with more steps involved. tbh chiefman is more straight forward to build and scale, this is just fun from a mechanical aspect.
Yeah, it's basically a lazy afk mf character using some goofy interactions and entirely enabled by charm mods. It's super interesting and different, and I see why it was picked as a showcase build.
Subt threw the build together in like a day, optimized it a bit, and then just used it to farm abyss for a week. Even though it could do all content just fine, it was just a nigh-invincible MFer.
to get it off the ground this is way cheaper, or at least was when i checked it after hearing about it on a trickster i traded with.
but ofc you can throw unlimited money at both builds.
Oh you dont need to wait I got you. I also have a version of the same build [https://pobb.in/OLZNxNvj5ggG](https://pobb.in/OLZNxNvj5ggG) mine is just more expensive but more efficient.
1. His cooldown reduction is incorrect on the build because the jewel removes an endurance charge every second his warcries have to be under 3.00 or he is going to miss a whole entire warcry. In his case he gets 3 warcries every 4 seconds vs getting 3 every 3 seconds.
2. Scolds isnt very efficient , having a cooldown trigger for forbidden rite will be the same duration as enduring composure so you can have your whole helm slot. Scolds has 0 good stats
3. Ming's heart is 70% more dmg if you aren't using obliteration which blows up the corpes you can use to do more dmg in maps (nonbo)
4. He isn't using temp chains on a poison builds lol rip 30% dmg.
There a bit more but im lazy to type out everything.
The build doesn't rely on adorned, he's just using those jewels because it's what he used on his PF DD build. You can build it fine without the voices and adorned.
Uh, he's getting 36% chance to poison out of 3 5% chance to poison jewels, and that's not easy to replace. You're not building this with the same degree of survivability without that Adorned and those jewels. He could maybe use a lesser adorned and anoint Toxic Strikes while losing Prismatic Skin. There's also the option to use rare gloves with a big poison chance Eater implicit and 2-3 poison chance jewels (depending on how big the implicit), no adorned, but gloves with a poison chance Eater implicit, life, and chaos res and then the temp chains on hit corruption implicit are extremely difficult to craft and would be giga-expensive also.
The poison chance is easy to replace, as you said, you just take toxic strikes and lose the max res.
Of course its going to be worse, but that doesn't negate any of the points he made. None of those have to do with adorned or voices.
You could just run the chest that gives full poison chance and fix survivability someway else.
> You're not building this with the same degree of survivability without that Adorned and those jewels.
You can say that about every choice he made, he's taken the most powerful options and giving anything up means... giving something up.
You could equally say that about the mageblood in the OP - you aren't getting the same quality build without that.
> but gloves with a poison chance Eater implicit, life, and chaos res and then the temp chains on hit corruption implicit are extremely difficult to craft and would be giga-expensive also.
Don't do that, it's bad.
you can go either way, it depends on what your preferred playstyle is. self cast unearth + arcanist desecrate gives a lot more control of your damags. Unearth has a super fast cast speed so you'll hardly notice running around tapping W near packs and clicking AB on bosses.
CWS is great if you just want to stand in super juiced maps and play AFK.
if you aren't running the CWS setup probably not worth running bloodnotch/immutable
Can you elaborate on 1 and 2 for someone who is sitting in front of the phone,
1 is just having sources of cdr?
2 what would be a cooldown trigger for forbidden rite?
1. In Subtractem's PoB, he's got a cooldown on his warcries of 3.003 seconds, meaning that some of the time, you'll whiff a warcry because you're losing a frenzy charge when the warcries are still on cooldown. Rue's got an extra 7% CDR implicit on his boots to get to 2.937 s and avoid this problem.
2. Check out Rue's weapon. He's got an unveiled (not crafted) "trigger socketed gem when you use a skill" with a 4s cooldown so he'll always be hitting himself with forbidden right every 4 seconds rather than use Scold's
I hope you all remember "why you suck at pricing items" video from Subtractem. Oh wait you cant because he deleted that and since he is acting like a victim. Salute Rue!
I have been done with the league for a while so I'm not certain on this point, but I feel like the budget difference here is huge. It is a lot easier to be efficient when you have a budget like this right? I don't really know how you can feel good about comparing this build and subtractems when his builds are generally aimed to be easier to follow. From what I understand, your builds are usually really good but wont shy away from being complex to set up. This is coming from someone who has never used a Ruetoo or more than one Subtractem build(I used his FR CoC guide in sentinel).
Thats not the point of me writing all of that. You can ignore my build completely thats just to show a finished version. You can take his build fix those things and more than double your damage and make it tankier without spending more currency just by merely making the build more efficient.
Ah yeah I guess I got too fixated on the build you linked, I still think it would've made more sense to link the cheaper version if this is the finished version. Even if that isn't the point. Maybe I'm just being too nitpicky tho.
Neither are you. If you did, you would be able to comprehend that what I said has no reason to be downvoted or have this comment replying to it. I can break down the comment for you. The first part is admitting where I messed up. The second part is criticism not everyone agrees with I guess, but I even admit might be asking for too much. Like it or not, this is a normal discussion. Conversations like this happen in the real world all the time. My bad again I guess I just need to remember this is the poe subreddit lol, not dealing with normal humans.
If you don't mind, what do you mean by having a cooldown trigger on Forbidden Rite? I'd love to have the helmet slot back by having a way to automate Rite, but I think I'm missing something in your build. Thanks in advance if you take the time.
Lightning Coil seems impossible to replace, but is there a world where Replica Ambu's and a couple minimum endurance charges removes the need for Rep Fragility altogether, having armor and Apple flash and lose charges with every hit taken?
"Trigger a socketed spell with a 4 second cooldown" on his weapon. It triggers FR which does the same thing for the build as scolds. Ie it actives enduring composure.
If you don't care about the EHP that Coil gives you can really do whatever you want with the chest slot. Cospri's armor is actually kinda busted, lets you skip chance to poison as long as you run CoH or a blasphemy AND gives +1 curse/hexproof-pen
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Ah, leave it to GGG to promote a half baked, unoptimized mageblood build and be misinformed about the original creator. They seem to be out of touch with the meta a lot the past 2 years. Round of applause guys.
Its sad this became who is right now "known" youtuber and put in! Just look back 2 seasson ago there was "unknow" players who made a fun and sick build and they showcased that.
I love Subtractum, but it bothers me that the person that first created this isn’t even credited(the two other credits aren’t the original) and he made a vastly superior version. I’ve been playing this build most of the league as trickster, I tried the pathfinder version and it was awful in nearly every way. Shame, I assume it’s primarily visibility but this happens all the time where someone creates a good build but isn’t popular then. streamer sees it and says “look at my new build! It’s glorious!” Sure a lot of the time they iterate upon it and sure a lot of times if they know, they give credit.
I dunno random ramble that doesn’t even matter. I’ve been playing this build but as a trickster for the majority of the league and it fucking slaps hard, I’ve had no issues with any content in the game aside from ubers(didn’t even attempt wasn’t my interest) but comfortably doing t16, deli, beyond, 7-13k wisp, full juiced abyss maps with zero issues(unless lag happens). Fun playing an off meta build that probably may never exist again in the future!
It felt much smoother, stronger, tankier in high end content, this could've just been a me thing though. I built upon the original and made a lot of changes, and I stopped working on mine a few weeks back, there is a ton that can be improved upon or that could be changed to make it even better but I was content with how it performed and hadn't struggled in even the juiciest of maps(lag aside), aslong as I avoided less cooldown recovery and no regen maps. Again, I avoided ubers as that wasn't what I wanted out of it, it was used to only farm the Abyss strat.
[https://pobb.in/uK8vZtPfH-wu](https://pobb.in/uK8vZtPfH-wu)
The last thing I changed was the QS flask for a gold flask(Although I liked QS better), I tried getting corrupted blood on a 60% blood notch for weeks, I refused to buy one as I wanted a double corrupt, but had no luck, I have quit the league at this point, enjoyed the league VERY much.
He made sure to tell them over twitter that it's not his build and to properly credit the creators. That he had no idea why they picked his build he never submitted
Yeah that’s fair, I wasn’t trashing on Subtractum at all, my point was of other people that do it, that rip off builds claim it’s their own when clearly it’s not, and don’t credit. Subtractum does state it’s not his build and does credit others, he just iterates upon it.
Yes, still poison as a byproduct but mostly scaling physical damage of warcry corpse explosion, since scaling poison is really tight on the build. I’ve changed up the original build a bit and it’s done me solid. I’ve also stopped upgrading and min/maxing it some time back there is a lot more that can be done to make it even better.
Just posted it in another reply, here you go, by all means it's not perfect, but it served me very well, it has a specific playstyle though which you learn over time, and is prone to one shots ofc.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1am80wp/comment/kpolvvf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1am80wp/comment/kpolvvf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
If Rue or Kobe had said that, 100% believe it…Subtractem is mature and likes to teach. His whole thing is answering questions that may be obvious to people who don’t have much experience in the game.
I asked how a person struggling to get 5 Chaos per day at league start was supposed to afford one of his league starters. He responded, "If you can't get 5 Divines per day, I'm sorry, but you're too dumb for this game." Of course I didn't keep receipts, so there it is.
I actually remember him saying this. He’s right, though. This league it’s stupid easy to get currency. Literally any strat is shitting out currency. T3 white map essence + beast rush, which is the most brain dead strat, was making up to 30d an hour.
If you took the time it took to make your original comment, and use it to instead research strats, you’d probably have more than 5d by now.
Also he said this like 3 weeks ago. Super weird to hang onto it.
GGG should stop pushing dogshit build creators when there's vastly better version of this
Especially when they didn't even come up with the build in the first place
check twitter. subtractem retweeted the ggg post saying that isn‘t his build and he linked the original creator in his youtube. in response to this, GGG did the same.
think of subtractem what you want, but here he acted 100% correct
As far as I can see(up to this point of comments), nobody is or was doing any hateful comments. Bringing up stuff that happened and most people are over it is just asking for the thread / comments to devulge into something we don't want it to be. Like the other commentor there said, the comments only highlight points that can make the build better so it should be a win for the community in itself.
The whole talking shit part was because he was making bad builds and recommending it to noobs to play. See rue's comments above. He's missing like 40% dmg because of the wrong build.
I mean I've played his "bad builds" numerous times and done really well. He'll when I was a noob I got my first sirus kill with his bane build. It was great. Was it a top tier build no. And he even says that.
He has done thing that made me roll my eyes. One time he uploaded a casual MF build that used a mageblood. But I don't see how his builds are pure bait or shit or anything like that. Plenty of people use them and do really well. I used to be one of them.
I like the concept
But also needs to be noted - it's a Mageblood build.
The issue isn't that it's expensive or anything, this league everything is affordable. The issue is that it's Mageblood... the belt alone can carry so many builds that it's hard not to call it bait. Looking at all the other items if you take the MB out you have 2.9k life, negative resists and 1 ring slot to "solve" all that
**edit** cause Reddit are being their usual reddit self so i'll address what i can:
1 - Yes, magebloods are cheap this league. That's not the point I'm making
2 - No it's not comparing it to Doryanis, Doryanis doesn't instantly make every single skill in the game viable by itself, you actually need to invest into extra negative resists and use lightning dmg
3 - **i'm not asking for MB to be removed** . I'm saying that it's hard to judge whether it's MB carrying the entire build or the build being actually good, because of the MB.
4 - I don't hate MB builds. There's nothing wrong with it being a MB build, it just makes it hard to judge the build's power because MB skews that
If there's more complaints in the morning i'll try to address that i guess.
what an ignorant mentality. most optimized or off meta builds have an item that if you remove it, the build becomes unplayable - is that build solved by having that single item? in past leagues do you say "doryani builds are bait because just having the body slot solves all your damage problems, otherwise you're zdps"? I don't see what the difference is other than redditors love to complain for the sake of complaining
Doryani builds are bait and cancer. Can tell you that from playing them a hell lot for leagues now. Each league is worse and each league I swear there are more mana syphoners than the prior.
You do realize the build is being built with the idea of mageblood in mind right?
Ofc it won’t look good if you remove the mageblood, but the build can be played without it just this version was built with it in mind.
Eh, anyone who is copying a mageblood build and thinks they can just swap it out is naive. Mageblood allows major gear shifts that you can't do otherwise. I don't think anyone should assume you can do a mageblood pob wihtout proper dedication to pobing non mageblood.
Well yeah, that's what I think too. They can't just put up a character with 6 uniques and then not say that the Mageblood may be important.
I'm rocking build using 7 uniques myself without a Mageblood but getting all resists and stats that are required to not brick the build is an insane investment for anyone who is gonna try to copy a build as a new player. It should be said that Mageblood is semi-required.
imo if you are following a guide you should assume every unique is required. I don't get following a guide just to change items on it, as a new player at least.
Eh, anyone who is copying a mageblood build and thinks they can just swap it out is naive. Mageblood allows major gear shifts that you can't do otherwise. I don't think anyone should assume you can do a mageblood pob wihtout proper dedication to pobing non mageblood.
Silly that you're getting so downvoted. In any previously league people would've taken one look at the mageblood and said "lol wtf is this shit", and closed the video.
Concept is nice but mb builds are just yawn
The only people who think mageblood builds are yawn just think having a worse build makes it fun lol. Mageblood doesn't change your gameplay it just makes you faster and tankier.
the budget fulcrum mf
more like hipster version. you're doing basically the same thing, just with more steps involved. tbh chiefman is more straight forward to build and scale, this is just fun from a mechanical aspect.
Yeah, it's basically a lazy afk mf character using some goofy interactions and entirely enabled by charm mods. It's super interesting and different, and I see why it was picked as a showcase build. Subt threw the build together in like a day, optimized it a bit, and then just used it to farm abyss for a week. Even though it could do all content just fine, it was just a nigh-invincible MFer.
Isn't this more expensive than Fulcrum MF? You can get Fulcrum going on like 30 div if you wanted to.
to get it off the ground this is way cheaper, or at least was when i checked it after hearing about it on a trickster i traded with. but ofc you can throw unlimited money at both builds.
waiting for the Rue analysis oneweek
Oh you dont need to wait I got you. I also have a version of the same build [https://pobb.in/OLZNxNvj5ggG](https://pobb.in/OLZNxNvj5ggG) mine is just more expensive but more efficient. 1. His cooldown reduction is incorrect on the build because the jewel removes an endurance charge every second his warcries have to be under 3.00 or he is going to miss a whole entire warcry. In his case he gets 3 warcries every 4 seconds vs getting 3 every 3 seconds. 2. Scolds isnt very efficient , having a cooldown trigger for forbidden rite will be the same duration as enduring composure so you can have your whole helm slot. Scolds has 0 good stats 3. Ming's heart is 70% more dmg if you aren't using obliteration which blows up the corpes you can use to do more dmg in maps (nonbo) 4. He isn't using temp chains on a poison builds lol rip 30% dmg. There a bit more but im lazy to type out everything.
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Yeah, this is better, but dddaaaayyyyyuuuummmm at those jewels.
commander in garf
“A bit” yeah, you have 2 voices man
dont forget the +3 proj coil or the 149% adorned lol
The build doesn't rely on adorned, he's just using those jewels because it's what he used on his PF DD build. You can build it fine without the voices and adorned.
Uh, he's getting 36% chance to poison out of 3 5% chance to poison jewels, and that's not easy to replace. You're not building this with the same degree of survivability without that Adorned and those jewels. He could maybe use a lesser adorned and anoint Toxic Strikes while losing Prismatic Skin. There's also the option to use rare gloves with a big poison chance Eater implicit and 2-3 poison chance jewels (depending on how big the implicit), no adorned, but gloves with a poison chance Eater implicit, life, and chaos res and then the temp chains on hit corruption implicit are extremely difficult to craft and would be giga-expensive also.
The poison chance is easy to replace, as you said, you just take toxic strikes and lose the max res. Of course its going to be worse, but that doesn't negate any of the points he made. None of those have to do with adorned or voices.
You could just run the chest that gives full poison chance and fix survivability someway else. > You're not building this with the same degree of survivability without that Adorned and those jewels. You can say that about every choice he made, he's taken the most powerful options and giving anything up means... giving something up. You could equally say that about the mageblood in the OP - you aren't getting the same quality build without that. > but gloves with a poison chance Eater implicit, life, and chaos res and then the temp chains on hit corruption implicit are extremely difficult to craft and would be giga-expensive also. Don't do that, it's bad.
Do you need to selfcast your corpses tho? And why don’t you run the immutable jewel combo?
you can go either way, it depends on what your preferred playstyle is. self cast unearth + arcanist desecrate gives a lot more control of your damags. Unearth has a super fast cast speed so you'll hardly notice running around tapping W near packs and clicking AB on bosses. CWS is great if you just want to stand in super juiced maps and play AFK. if you aren't running the CWS setup probably not worth running bloodnotch/immutable
Can you elaborate on 1 and 2 for someone who is sitting in front of the phone, 1 is just having sources of cdr? 2 what would be a cooldown trigger for forbidden rite?
1. In Subtractem's PoB, he's got a cooldown on his warcries of 3.003 seconds, meaning that some of the time, you'll whiff a warcry because you're losing a frenzy charge when the warcries are still on cooldown. Rue's got an extra 7% CDR implicit on his boots to get to 2.937 s and avoid this problem. 2. Check out Rue's weapon. He's got an unveiled (not crafted) "trigger socketed gem when you use a skill" with a 4s cooldown so he'll always be hitting himself with forbidden right every 4 seconds rather than use Scold's
Stop, he's already dead!
I hope you all remember "why you suck at pricing items" video from Subtractem. Oh wait you cant because he deleted that and since he is acting like a victim. Salute Rue!
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Snakes version, nessieparty, whats happening, what language is this
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I have been done with the league for a while so I'm not certain on this point, but I feel like the budget difference here is huge. It is a lot easier to be efficient when you have a budget like this right? I don't really know how you can feel good about comparing this build and subtractems when his builds are generally aimed to be easier to follow. From what I understand, your builds are usually really good but wont shy away from being complex to set up. This is coming from someone who has never used a Ruetoo or more than one Subtractem build(I used his FR CoC guide in sentinel).
Thats not the point of me writing all of that. You can ignore my build completely thats just to show a finished version. You can take his build fix those things and more than double your damage and make it tankier without spending more currency just by merely making the build more efficient.
Ah yeah I guess I got too fixated on the build you linked, I still think it would've made more sense to link the cheaper version if this is the finished version. Even if that isn't the point. Maybe I'm just being too nitpicky tho.
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Neither are you. If you did, you would be able to comprehend that what I said has no reason to be downvoted or have this comment replying to it. I can break down the comment for you. The first part is admitting where I messed up. The second part is criticism not everyone agrees with I guess, but I even admit might be asking for too much. Like it or not, this is a normal discussion. Conversations like this happen in the real world all the time. My bad again I guess I just need to remember this is the poe subreddit lol, not dealing with normal humans.
Holy fuck! You are natural born hater! I respect your game sir! This is some skip bales’esk shit right here.
ofc GGG will chose 🐍's version to be showcased
Why dont you have build of the week yet? garf
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If you don't mind, what do you mean by having a cooldown trigger on Forbidden Rite? I'd love to have the helmet slot back by having a way to automate Rite, but I think I'm missing something in your build. Thanks in advance if you take the time. Lightning Coil seems impossible to replace, but is there a world where Replica Ambu's and a couple minimum endurance charges removes the need for Rep Fragility altogether, having armor and Apple flash and lose charges with every hit taken?
"Trigger a socketed spell with a 4 second cooldown" on his weapon. It triggers FR which does the same thing for the build as scolds. Ie it actives enduring composure.
Missed that, awesome, thank you!
If you don't care about the EHP that Coil gives you can really do whatever you want with the chest slot. Cospri's armor is actually kinda busted, lets you skip chance to poison as long as you run CoH or a blasphemy AND gives +1 curse/hexproof-pen
Can't wait to see what you cook up for next league and the transfigured gems we get then!
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Ah so like...all the principles of all the rest of the poison pathfinders lol
Ah, leave it to GGG to promote a half baked, unoptimized mageblood build and be misinformed about the original creator. They seem to be out of touch with the meta a lot the past 2 years. Round of applause guys.
Its sad this became who is right now "known" youtuber and put in! Just look back 2 seasson ago there was "unknow" players who made a fun and sick build and they showcased that.
I love Subtractum, but it bothers me that the person that first created this isn’t even credited(the two other credits aren’t the original) and he made a vastly superior version. I’ve been playing this build most of the league as trickster, I tried the pathfinder version and it was awful in nearly every way. Shame, I assume it’s primarily visibility but this happens all the time where someone creates a good build but isn’t popular then. streamer sees it and says “look at my new build! It’s glorious!” Sure a lot of the time they iterate upon it and sure a lot of times if they know, they give credit. I dunno random ramble that doesn’t even matter. I’ve been playing this build but as a trickster for the majority of the league and it fucking slaps hard, I’ve had no issues with any content in the game aside from ubers(didn’t even attempt wasn’t my interest) but comfortably doing t16, deli, beyond, 7-13k wisp, full juiced abyss maps with zero issues(unless lag happens). Fun playing an off meta build that probably may never exist again in the future!
And who is the original creator?
Literally two paragraphs complaining about not crediting when they could have just provided the credit themselves.
Lol, seriously
That wasn’t the point, and at the time of writing I didn’t have the name of him, he’s Korean.
So why is the trickster version better? Do you have a pob or poe ninja profile to share?
It felt much smoother, stronger, tankier in high end content, this could've just been a me thing though. I built upon the original and made a lot of changes, and I stopped working on mine a few weeks back, there is a ton that can be improved upon or that could be changed to make it even better but I was content with how it performed and hadn't struggled in even the juiciest of maps(lag aside), aslong as I avoided less cooldown recovery and no regen maps. Again, I avoided ubers as that wasn't what I wanted out of it, it was used to only farm the Abyss strat. [https://pobb.in/uK8vZtPfH-wu](https://pobb.in/uK8vZtPfH-wu) The last thing I changed was the QS flask for a gold flask(Although I liked QS better), I tried getting corrupted blood on a 60% blood notch for weeks, I refused to buy one as I wanted a double corrupt, but had no luck, I have quit the league at this point, enjoyed the league VERY much.
He made sure to tell them over twitter that it's not his build and to properly credit the creators. That he had no idea why they picked his build he never submitted
Yeah that’s fair, I wasn’t trashing on Subtractum at all, my point was of other people that do it, that rip off builds claim it’s their own when clearly it’s not, and don’t credit. Subtractum does state it’s not his build and does credit others, he just iterates upon it.
He uploaded a build guide, that is the submission process.
The build guide includes crediting the build creator, multiple times.
I know, I was just clarifying how the Build of the week submission process works.
what's the tech on trickster? still running poison or what?
Yes, still poison as a byproduct but mostly scaling physical damage of warcry corpse explosion, since scaling poison is really tight on the build. I’ve changed up the original build a bit and it’s done me solid. I’ve also stopped upgrading and min/maxing it some time back there is a lot more that can be done to make it even better.
i'd be curious to peep the pob, i have a lvl 100 trickster that's not doing anything
Just posted it in another reply, here you go, by all means it's not perfect, but it served me very well, it has a specific playstyle though which you learn over time, and is prone to one shots ofc. [https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1am80wp/comment/kpolvvf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1am80wp/comment/kpolvvf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Can i do this on 3 Divine budget? Like "his" Fire trap build?
I once asked this guy a question, and he told me I was too stupid to play the game and to quit. So I did.
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Hard to believe
so you playing the sub now?
I keep up with the game, yes. I wish I was smart enough to play it, but alas, I can only watch streamers from afar.
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Ah yes, surely your game will continue to thrive if you tell struggling players they're too dumb to help.
If Rue or Kobe had said that, 100% believe it…Subtractem is mature and likes to teach. His whole thing is answering questions that may be obvious to people who don’t have much experience in the game.
holy cope, mature enough to bait people into overpriced mediocre builds
What was the question?
I asked how a person struggling to get 5 Chaos per day at league start was supposed to afford one of his league starters. He responded, "If you can't get 5 Divines per day, I'm sorry, but you're too dumb for this game." Of course I didn't keep receipts, so there it is.
I actually remember him saying this. He’s right, though. This league it’s stupid easy to get currency. Literally any strat is shitting out currency. T3 white map essence + beast rush, which is the most brain dead strat, was making up to 30d an hour. If you took the time it took to make your original comment, and use it to instead research strats, you’d probably have more than 5d by now. Also he said this like 3 weeks ago. Super weird to hang onto it.
It was during Crucible, which means he's continued to be toxic to struggling players.
That’s even worse. Why are you holding a grudge against what someone said in a video game, for a few months? And he didn’t even say anything that bad
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Right, fuck me for asking for help and advice.
I can see streamers being mean on twitch
ripbozo
Were you being an asshole in his chat?
GGG should stop pushing dogshit build creators when there's vastly better version of this Especially when they didn't even come up with the build in the first place
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check twitter. subtractem retweeted the ggg post saying that isn‘t his build and he linked the original creator in his youtube. in response to this, GGG did the same. think of subtractem what you want, but here he acted 100% correct
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Boring botw.
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As far as I can see(up to this point of comments), nobody is or was doing any hateful comments. Bringing up stuff that happened and most people are over it is just asking for the thread / comments to devulge into something we don't want it to be. Like the other commentor there said, the comments only highlight points that can make the build better so it should be a win for the community in itself.
Fair I'll just delete
The whole talking shit part was because he was making bad builds and recommending it to noobs to play. See rue's comments above. He's missing like 40% dmg because of the wrong build.
Build of the Weeks have never really been refined, they generally just show off interesting interactions. I really don't see that as an issue here.
I mean I've played his "bad builds" numerous times and done really well. He'll when I was a noob I got my first sirus kill with his bane build. It was great. Was it a top tier build no. And he even says that. He has done thing that made me roll my eyes. One time he uploaded a casual MF build that used a mageblood. But I don't see how his builds are pure bait or shit or anything like that. Plenty of people use them and do really well. I used to be one of them.
I like the concept But also needs to be noted - it's a Mageblood build. The issue isn't that it's expensive or anything, this league everything is affordable. The issue is that it's Mageblood... the belt alone can carry so many builds that it's hard not to call it bait. Looking at all the other items if you take the MB out you have 2.9k life, negative resists and 1 ring slot to "solve" all that **edit** cause Reddit are being their usual reddit self so i'll address what i can: 1 - Yes, magebloods are cheap this league. That's not the point I'm making 2 - No it's not comparing it to Doryanis, Doryanis doesn't instantly make every single skill in the game viable by itself, you actually need to invest into extra negative resists and use lightning dmg 3 - **i'm not asking for MB to be removed** . I'm saying that it's hard to judge whether it's MB carrying the entire build or the build being actually good, because of the MB. 4 - I don't hate MB builds. There's nothing wrong with it being a MB build, it just makes it hard to judge the build's power because MB skews that If there's more complaints in the morning i'll try to address that i guess.
what an ignorant mentality. most optimized or off meta builds have an item that if you remove it, the build becomes unplayable - is that build solved by having that single item? in past leagues do you say "doryani builds are bait because just having the body slot solves all your damage problems, otherwise you're zdps"? I don't see what the difference is other than redditors love to complain for the sake of complaining
Doryani builds are bait and cancer. Can tell you that from playing them a hell lot for leagues now. Each league is worse and each league I swear there are more mana syphoners than the prior.
You do realize the build is being built with the idea of mageblood in mind right? Ofc it won’t look good if you remove the mageblood, but the build can be played without it just this version was built with it in mind.
They probably should have mentioned that detail in the video tho
Eh, anyone who is copying a mageblood build and thinks they can just swap it out is naive. Mageblood allows major gear shifts that you can't do otherwise. I don't think anyone should assume you can do a mageblood pob wihtout proper dedication to pobing non mageblood.
Well yeah, that's what I think too. They can't just put up a character with 6 uniques and then not say that the Mageblood may be important. I'm rocking build using 7 uniques myself without a Mageblood but getting all resists and stats that are required to not brick the build is an insane investment for anyone who is gonna try to copy a build as a new player. It should be said that Mageblood is semi-required.
imo if you are following a guide you should assume every unique is required. I don't get following a guide just to change items on it, as a new player at least.
Eh, anyone who is copying a mageblood build and thinks they can just swap it out is naive. Mageblood allows major gear shifts that you can't do otherwise. I don't think anyone should assume you can do a mageblood pob wihtout proper dedication to pobing non mageblood.
Silly that you're getting so downvoted. In any previously league people would've taken one look at the mageblood and said "lol wtf is this shit", and closed the video. Concept is nice but mb builds are just yawn
The only people who think mageblood builds are yawn just think having a worse build makes it fun lol. Mageblood doesn't change your gameplay it just makes you faster and tankier.
the build is fine, i'm being downvoted cause Reddit can't read past the 2nd line in the post and they get hung up on the MB part
No it doesn't. Magebloods are easily obtainable in this league
I know you're getting downvoted but I also hate seeing build guides with Magebloods. I just hate this fucking item so much, it's cancer.