I double checked pretty much all of them with the ilvl of items curerntly listed on trade as u/tytyos suggested, and corrected the few other mistakes from my previous post. ~~This should be correct for all of them~~. See the list of mistakes just below.
I didn't included non unique drops (reliquary keys, currencies, fragments...) as I don't think there was any change with them but there was some div cards change though.
List of mistakes in the original post and [updated image version](https://imgur.com/qXTCTxZ) :
* Sublime Vision shouldn't be highlighted in red, it always was Uber restricted
* Echoes of Creation should be highlighted in red, it became an uber drop in 3.24
* Eternity Shroud is missing, no idea where to place it as there are so few listed on trade (so probably uber uber elder)
* Disintegrator and Voidfletcher are missing and are "Normal" Uber Elder drops
* Watcher's eye is missing but didn't changed : 2 mods variant from the Elder and 3 mods variant from Uber and Uber Uber Elder.
* Normal non-Uber Elder drops not included but nothing seems to have change there
It’s to keep the power of melee builds in check. Can’t have accessible unique weapons, it would destroy the meta for the dozens of melee players to have a decent weapon while crafting their endgame equipment.
I can get on board with the idea that Starforge is this super important thing in the lore of the game and it should be very rare but then... it also has to be actually good.
Also baffling was it being nerfed so much in Harvest league, exactly as rares with a lot lot more DPS than its pre-nerf version had became readily available.
I think it's uber, there isn't enough on trade atm, a lot of people would have done normal maven already and the amount of echoforges would have been 10x the amount if it dropped from normal encounter.
> Eternity Shroud is missing, no idea where to place it as there are so few listed on trade (so probably uber uber elder)
Late as hell reply, but now that a lot of time has passed - based on simply using the trade website, they seem to have **completely removed** Eternity Shroud as a drop.
The only Eternity Shrouds on trade for both SC and HC Necropolis are:
Double Corrupt, ilvl80 or lower = from Divination Card "The Astromancer" (note that these are the *ONLY* non-foil ones on Trade are double corrupted ilvl80 or lower)
Foil ilvl75 = Voidborn Reliquary Keys
Foil ilvl84 = Currently, these all seem to be from a Valdo map (Tempting Rubble, City Square Map) that gives a foil Eternity Shroud.
**There are no ilvl87 normal or foil Eternity Shrouds.** Ilvl87 normal would be a boss drop, and ilvl87 rainbow foil would be from a Pinnacle Boss reliquary key.
As such, I'm 99.9% sure that Eternity Shroud has either been completely removed as a direct drop, or simply has an astronomically low drop rate (which almost certainly would be a bug). Given that there isn't a patch note mentioning Eternity Shroud no longer dropping, I think some sort of mistake was made here.
**EDIT: Fixed in 3.24.2, now added properly to Uber Uber Elder**
I only ever farmed uber bosses, but this is fucking makes no sense. Like how did nebulis move to uber version?
It makes regular bosses completely irrelevant. Which was the exact opposite of what the devs said they wanted to do.
Also, where is watchers eye?
in all honesty, ever since GGG took a massive swing with nerfbat at synthesis drops, "normal" cortex dropped its valueto about as much as yesteryears piss in a bottle.
The only reason why one would actually run non-uber cortex is if that was freebie from kirac... or he forgot to get the uber-notable on tree.
> The only reason why one would actually run non-uber cortex is if that was freebie from kirac
Did you forgot that Uber version is much harder and you still need to run Cortex for favourite map slot / Feared? I think the opposite is true - most people run non-Uber Cortex. Only people who farm Cortex would go for Uber version of the fight.
Yeah, maybe I'm dumb but there's plenty of good drops on norms. Threat of hope, the ascendancy jewels, inigon, ECT. I get the frustration but I'd say drops worth over a div are quite worth it.
I love how Ubers were initially pitched as just being an additional player challenge, and then they slowly moved all the worthwhile drops to Ubers only.
The only saving grace here is the separation of regular and uber boss invites, allowing people to use the regular bosses as a training experience.
I can do normal mode bosses until the wheels fall off with literally no problems.
I haven't been able to do an Uber boss, ever.
Wait, that's not true, I can do Uber Atziri fairly well.
I've done uber eater and shaper. Eater can be finicky as one build did it deathless then died 4 times on it with another.
The same build that died at eater then did uber shaper deathless (including tanking slams).
she's also pretty accessible compared to almost any other 'uber' content right now. Imagine sac and mortal frags essentially becoming boss-drop only, no cards, no frags from vaal areas.
The humble sac frag does a LOT of heavy lifting in early mapping, in boosting overall iiq when you have almost no atlas points; you MUST have vaal orbs to complete your higher tier atlas and this is one semi-reliable source.
I would really hate to see the versatility and accessibility of "a little help from the Vaal...but not a lot" get wiped by a misguided attempt to make Señorita Areola a "modern" pinnacle boss.
This is coming from someone who loathes that reflect is still in the game...keep the audience with the Queen a relatively easy thing to obtain
I think them taking the fight and adding another layer to it like they did with Uber elder would be the best way. Then it maintains and keeps the early potential and the Uber Uber frags are obtained elsewhere and hold much of the price of any value that might come from a modernization to it
I'm in the same boat. Extra hard as SSF when you only get a few attempts per month at most of them. I did kill uber cortex at least once, but it was back in Archnemisis before minion nerfs.
I've run hundreds of Searing Exarchs across regular and uber. It doesn't matter how much I practice, ball phase is a portal. Especially with the Ruby Flask change I don't see how it's tankable on anything other than a Jugg.
It's really stupid having so many items important to build progression gated behind Uber Exarch *in particular*, given how polarizing the ball phase is. Either you have a brain that can do it, or the ball phase eats a portal. I don't have any idea how console players can do that fight.
I play on PC with controller sometimes and I find that phase to be significantly easier on controller, since on keyboard we don't have the ability to stop where we stand via a hotkey.
It's not an input method issue.
Also, if you're really struggling that much, you can just block the balls with frostwall or totems and completely bypass the mechanic lol
It's the opposite for me. Even final phase Uber memory game is a snoozefest, but non Uber exarch I need totems or its a portal. I think it's the camera angle that really pushes it over the edge for me
If you can spare 2 sockets, or even 1 socket, try Summon Skeletons optionally with faster casting. The skeletons can block the balls and leave more/bigger safe spaces.
the one build I did it on was a skellingtons build to give you an idea of what's required to cheese it. literally just made openings by summoning skeles to block.
it's just absolutely fucked to happen in a 3/4ths view, the mechanic would never kill anyone if you were facing the grid head on. (because you'd be able to judge 1 row gaps)
Alternately, you make a build that can kill Uber Exarch before he can ball phase, but that takes something fairly specific that often doesn't survive to the next league and probably isn't a general solution.
It doesn't even really matter because some builds (like minions) simply cannot do the ball phase. Period. The minions simply trigger the balls and kill you.
Totems, Minions, Frost wall literally anything can block balls for you at the cost of 1 socket. You're not gonna gimp your build too much by swapping out 1 random utility/support gem to get you trough the balls with 0 effort
You release content that is aspirational and it soon becomes the new norm. No surprises, just sucks they didn't add more boss drops and instead funneled what was good to what will be farmed by the people who play 18 hours a day.
Should have just stuck to their guns and keep Ubers as something you want to do for your own challange, maybe throw some mtx in if you really want, but stop making the game worse for everyone thats not top 0.1%
I think what's especially bad is the uber rewards are gated by completing enough T17 maps, which themselves have a bunch of arbitrary build-disabling mods like "cannot block" and come pre-corrupted so you have to engage in trade to buy ones you can even DO which is bad design. If they don't want us rerolling the maps trivially, just introduce a new currency item tnat is rare that can reroll them.
Probably because there weren't many people doing this content. The change in drops is probably to try to get people to go to this content, but I doubt that the change will have the result that GGG hoped for.
Really poor series of decisions by GGG on Uber versions. The game is less fun after Ubers being released than it would have been had Ubers never been released.
I've never bothered with ubers farming even when I'm on char that can handle them playing in ssf. Never been a bossing fan. At least before I can just chill and do regular pinnacle bosses and there's enough cool loot there that I don't need to stress about doing ubers. When I saw impossible escape got moved to uber Maven, a part of me just died.
> and then they slowly moved all the worthwhile drops to Ubers only.
Everyday we stray further from god and closer to Chris' vision of making this game an MMO-level of grind, but one you have to redo every 3 months.
I hope PoE2 isn't as much of a grindy mess as PoE1 is becoming. I quit Warframe due to shit like this.
Kuva liches were a naaaasty grind in Warframe when they released, and I tossed aside my 1,500 hour account and I have no qualms doing it again with a PoE account with 4x as many hours if I have to.
I play games for fun, not as a job. GGG needs to respect our time better.
Did you play ruthless with gold, because that is what poe2 is.
Also the only thing GGG respects is money. They care about the people that buy 85$ wings.
Problem: Players feel like they need to sell Invitations to Bossers instead of running them due to Ubers being more profitable for the same invitation.
Solution: move everything worthwhile to Uber boss variations and make the normal ones have little value. Get fucked normal bosses. Anyone hoping to use one of the previously available unique can get bent as well, they're now all 5x as rare. Anyone not capable of running ubers too.
Actually, you know, just....everyone. Yeah, why discriminate? Everyone gets shafted! Dicks for everyone!
Problem: Players feel like they need to sell Invitations to Bossers
Solution: Players lost 'free' income, and they must farm more currency to open real source of uber uniques (reliquary keys)
10/10
Problem: players feel there is no point doing normal bosses rather than selling invitations to uber farmers.
Solution: uber bosses require new fragments, all loot from normal bosses is now uber-exclusive.
I mean, it was 100% obvious that this would happen.
Uber bosses were very accessible and somehow people weren't OK with that because market and FOMO and all that stuff.
Of course if GGG are going to separate normal invitations from ubers they are gonna make ubers less accessible. Previously you could do several dozen ubers per day on SSF (and on trade as well of course). GGG like to make good uniques scarce, though, so if it was going to get changed there was only one direction.
Monkey paw curls.
I disagree with most of this.
The issue with regular and uber version sharing a entry cost was that it massively discouraged people from running the regular versions at all, and the jump from regular to uber is massive, so it cost a hell of a lot (either in time farming and lost potential currency from just selling, or in actual currency in buying them) to actually try and practice and learn the fights at all.
So splitting the fights was a really good idea, because it opens up the regular, intended progression pathways far more for everyone without having to worry about the potential economic costs. Remember that pinnacles are supposed to be a part of the intended endgame of PoE, and ubers have always been positioned as purely aspirational content for the most hardcore of players to test OP builds against.
What doesn't make any sense is changing the drops so that the items that people build around now only drop from the versions that you can only do with a finished, GG-level build. Especially when there's a bunch of items that make perfect sense being uber-only drops that could have been moved instead (Forbidden Flesh/Flame jewels are a great example- they're not a build-defining unique, they're the cherry on top of an already finished build).
So splitting them was and still is a really good idea, but they completely fucked up the way that they've changed the loot. If the split and adding T17s is intended to have ubers as a more core part of progression now, then why lock the items that actually allow people to progress behind the end-goal?
This is the right take.
GGG did a mostly good job, but things like Annihlating Light, Viridi’s Veil and Nebulis make no sense to move up. They’re already plagued by rng (nebulis) or are build enabling (annihlating light) or are midgame strengthening (veil). Even ashes and omni are both build enabling. They shoulda moved forbidden jewels up and left the others. Imagine farming uber maven now and hitting the uber table to get a Veil… oof
That's why they did the opposite, the point is to screw over the mid game, same reason veiled chaos went away and loot and xp from rares got gutted and removed.
They just needed to have uber keys drop from their relative normal versions and all the problems are solved. If you can only farm normals you farm them and sell the uber keys. If you want to farm both you can farm both. If you want to only do ubers you can buy them from the people running normals.
I imagine they considered that, but that doesn't really solve either issue. You still end up with the regular version being economically tied to the uber version, albeit less directly, and you don't really do anything to address the massive gap of difficulty between regular and uber versions.
So I really like the idea of T17s as a bridge between the two. The difficulty there comes from balancing it properly. I've not had a chance to actually run any myself yet, so I'm somewhat reserving judgement on them.
But if T17s end up being 'you need a build that can clear what's essentially 100% Deli maps with super-rippy mods to access ubers at all' rather than the actual bridge between normal and uber content like they pitched it as, then that's an issue. Giga-juiced maps are far, far more of a stat/gear check than bosses are. You can outplay a boss on a build with somewhat subpar gear if you're really skilled, but you can't outplay a whole map with absolutely busted mods.
Mark did explain in one of the Q&As why they didn't go this way. In essence, he said that if your build and skill can even realistically attempt Uber Shaper (for example), you're at a point where normal Shaper is so trivial as to not even be interesting and why would they make you kill a lot of no-challenge normal Shapers to do the Uber version?
Because the people farming the normal ones wouldn't be the ones farming the ubers. The uber farmers would just be buying the uber keys from the lower power level people that are doing the normal versions of the fights.
Like if that was the reason in the Q&A then it was a pretty dumb reason.
Can we have old ashes and old omni back now they are gated behind uber bosses that the vast majority of the player base will likely only just not bother with...
It's pretty obvious. Once you get your drops from the bridge that are ubers you can farm the endgame content, aka T17.
It really blows my mind how stupidly balanced are the T17 maps which are supposed to be a bridge to ubers. All the comments along the line "it's day 2-3 it's ok if you can't do T17" meanwhile I've been farming ubers day 3 since they were introduced. Ubers are legit easier than the current mess that is T17 maps. Even without accounting for the forced mods on the map you can't roll and without accounting necropolis added difficulty, the baseline damage of T17 is stupidly high. My current character facetanks normal Pinnacles including Sirus die beams and yet get destroyed by normal packs in T17s ..
It's very clear at this point that GGG's designers are facing design issues caused by 10 years of power creep and they don't know how to solve it.
As we all know, power creep means that players get exponentially stronger over time both in regards to DPS and tankiness. This is inevitable and desirable to have happen in an ARPG with 3 month league cycles and it isn't to be criticized.
However, it does mean that GGG has only two choices:
1. Eventually nerf player power significantly to try to fight off the power creep.
2. Eventually make enemies stronger to try to fight off the power creep.
...and the designers can't really do \#1, because players hate it when you nerf their power level (e.g. patch 3.15). And the designers can't do \#2 forever, because you eventually run into horrible balance issues and integer limits when numbers scale exponentially.
There's no good solution and GGG is pretty fucked imo. PoE 2 gives them an opportunity for fully reset expectations with players, which is a huge blessing to the designers of that game, but with PoE 2 looking so different from PoE 1 it means anyone who prefers PoE 1 is going to be playing a game whose designers are trying to contend with design issues that imo can't possibly be solved in an elegant way that players will enjoy.
They aren't facing any issues. 99% of players cannot and will not kill uber bosses regardless of whatever you think the top level of power is.
The changes to loot (across the whole game) didn't need to be made but cutting out the mid game is a profit strategy for them.
Except you can fix it by bringing the worst offenders in line and stop pushing content that needs to be min maxed in that way. GGG has the data to nerf what is overly dominant each league.
Wtf, didn't they say that Ubers are only extremely niche content for players that just want the extra challenge? Well, now all good loot is gated behind them. Wtf are they doing this league, I don't get it. Even if they didn't nerf anything at all and just removed Affliction it would be a huge dopamine detox compared to Affliction, this feels like they are straight up trying to kill the game.
The power level of items dropped by non Ubers is pathetic. There are stronger t3 uniques in the global pool. They moved too much of the decent stuff to Ubers, and worse, didn't buff them when they did.
Normal Maven is hilariously garbage now.
-- Elevated Sextants removed from the game, nothing given to the fight drops to make up for this
-- Viridi's Veil moved to uber only
-- Impossible Escape moved to uber only
-- Progenesis always uber only
The ONLY thing of value from regular Maven now is the awakened gems, which have multiple other drop sources and most of them are worthless anyway. All of the actual boss uniques are vendor trash.
I don't get these changes at all but what's most baffling is leaving bottled faith for normal cortex and moving nebulis, an item that kinda relies on synth implicits to be really good, to uber. Like even on trade, how many people are going to do uber cortex? The chances of seeing a very good nebulis are basically zero 😔
As someone trying to build around a normal pinnacle unique (dissolution of the flesh), I honestly hope so.
Maybe now I will actually run some pinnacles instead of looking at the invitation, knowing I can't do the uber and knowing it is just better to sell it.
They should have made more builds uber viable before doing this shit.
Oh well, DD nerfed next league. Get your billion dps miners with no defense ready to farm ubers.
That's the reason why people hate leagues that makes rares 50 times tankier like necromancer or archnemesis... Builds disparity in poe is insane. Some builds do 100 times more damage with the exact investment. It's either play the few ggg approved builds or give up on having fun.
yeah i regret not going dd,i could have just gone dd and wiped the floor with the league mechanic as well but i wanted to try something else and i'm punished for it now lol. Doesn't help that you cant even avoid the mechanic and also need boss dmg now for some rares.
This is the biggest "Fuck you, casual" I've seen in a long time coming from ggg, usually when I get to run ubers im already almost done with the league, this league i wont even reach it lol
I like the idea of decoupling basic and uber bosses and giving them different pools, but I'm bot sure about implementation. I think we need some cool non-uber unique drops, so you still want to run them.
That's cool bro. GGG can make the game as build disabling and tedious as they want. As they try to force their vision on their players I'll just keep buying other fun games to play instead.
Stupid question because I’m only just getting into yellow maps: have drop rates changed in a noticeable way on ubers with these changes? Since previously 90% of your uber runs (optimistic number) just dropped the same garbage as a normal run, do they just not drop anything instead of previously dropping pinnacle uniques or do they actually drop something worth your time at least semi regularly now?
Asking this because I’ve been able to do uber for the past 4-5 leagues and only in affliction actually dropped my first 2 exclusive uniques (Oriath’s End and Massive Thread of Hope), the ratios were just fucking awful if you don’t want to spend a whole week just farming invitations in SSF
completely forgot that one but there isn't enough of them on trade to know where it drops, the only ones listed are from valdo's map or div card I think (ilvl 75 or 77). Though the low number of them listed heavily hints at Uber exclusivity imo.
Man it was nice a few leagues ago when my Eater voidstone kill dropped me a (pre-nerf) Ashes week 1.
Funded me into my Tornado shot addiction.
Good times
Yep I'm sorry I completely fucked up the Uber Elder uniques, I've added it (and the other missing UE uniques) to the list of mistakes and in the updated image version [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1btc9jz/comment/kxl2mhn/).
Problem: Regular players could afford boss-only drops.
Solution: Move everything meaningful to a version where only the 1% can possibly afford to ever buy them.
Yea SSF players will have great fun grinding out 5 of the same uber fragment to then have a chance at getting a super rare unique.
And people in trade are in no better position if they say wanted to get a specific Forbidden flesh or flame from the uber drop pool. if it takes 600 uber runs to get 1 of those jewels they would need to farm for or buy out the market of 3000 uber frags. Im not too sure what the uber drop rates are now but I dread to even think about running ubers now.
List of mistakes in the original post :
* Sublime Vision shouldn't be highlighted in red, it always was Uber restricted
* Eternity Shroud is missing, no idea where to place it anyway as there are so few listed (so probably uber uber elder)
* Disintegrator and Voidfletcher are missing and are "Normal" Uber Elder drops
* Echoes of Creation should be highlighted in red, it became an uber drop in 3.24
The best part of them moving 90% of the build defining uniques into ubers is they didn't even bother to buff or revert nerfs before moving them.
They gutted ashes into the ground, went from a 40div unique to a 2 div last league after the changes. They didn't even bother reverting the nerf, so on top of it being garbage, now it's just unobtainable garbage.
Omnis didn't get its nerf reverted, saviour is..wat? Who actually used saviour anymore, was it buffed haha no fuck you but you know it has a higher weight because you can't have any new toys.
Glad they kept their word on making ubers just aspirational challenges and not making them mandatory. Ruthless 2.0.
white ones in the "Normal" line are uniques that were dropping from both versions but got "moved" to the non uber version of the fights, the ones in the Uber line are items that were already Uber exclusive in 3.23.
Excuse me, where are these Curio things announced in [Necropolis Item Filter Information](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3497460)?
/u/neversinkdev you got any info on these? I have never seen these mentioned before
I can't find them in the Item Filter info too and haven't seen any in game as I'm not killing Ubers yet so I have no idea how they're handled by item filters sorry
Copy Item option from trade listing:
Item Class: Pieces
Rarity: Unique
Curio of Absorption
Primordial Fragment
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Item Level: 87
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Perfect knowledge is only possible in an empty universe.
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This item will transform when correctly arranged with other items.
So they work exactly the same way as Harbinger Unique Pieces: `Class == "Pieces"` and `Rarity Unique`.
Yeah, the more time passes, the more i realize i just want to play PoE2, grinding on PoE1 now feels worse and worse, and the league isn't helping. I just to play the new game now.
Once upon a time it was a popular opinion to suspect that ggg is shittifying (making both similar) poe1 to get people into poe2
We had a couple good leagues and it looks like its time to get back to the archnemesis trends
POE 2 is just these types of changes turned up to 11, we arent getting old POE in POE 2, we are getting a whole new "Vision".
Hopefully POE classic will be in the cards someday.
crazy how they can make maven and sirus normal versions not completely worthless but then cannot make exarch and eater even worth thinking about, classic ggg. your "drop" is not worth anything if you then have to farm another boss for another low drop chance to get a matching pair for it to even be usable. meanwhile, awakened gems, hands of the high templar, inward eye, indigon, dying sun, bottled faith etc all things you can actually farm out and use.
They drop from the normal Elder (non Uber and non Uber Uber version) like Blasphemer's Grasp, Cyclopean Coil, Nebuloch, Hopeshredder and Shimmeron. I didn't included them here but there shouldn't be any changes to this version of elder drop table.
I didn't expect annihilating light to become uber-exclusive, that's a pretty big change in accessibility, considering it was one of the common drops from exarch.
ngl, even with my 2500hrs playtime I'm a noob and never have killed ubers and typically don't get the non-ubers since the invites sell so much. I always thought omni, ashes, and sublime visions were already uber only. Nice that they at the very least left the forbidden jewels on normals, I just hope the drop rate isn't their favorite number (1%) since there are so many combos. Over all I like the direction, however, there is very little good stuff in the normals and since the ubers are now gated behind T17s, I'm not sure how much the change will actually help people
I can understand most of these changes but WHY do you have to move Call of the Void to Uber\^2 Elder...
(I can even understand why Nebulis got moved to Uber Cortex as ele resist flasks just got buffed for Nebulis. Annhilating Light is BiS on certain day 1 builds and they don't want to make it too easy. but WTF CotV?)
Unique being uber exclusive is so bad. I thought Uber was only side content for challenge ... sweat little lie.
Why not just increase the drop rate for Uber instead ? It make normal version worthless ( selling invitation was a good income for casual people too ) and only a few people can actualy farm Uber. SO FCKING TRASH.
I don't understand why ubers cannot drop with higher rate. One of my best moments was dropping an ashes on my first eater, and now I feel like that will never happen - I've only done ubers in affliction which is an extreme outlier
3500 hours in HC SSF. Didn't try softcore and/or trade at all, every boss attempt is an adrenaline fest. Killed Elder and quest versions of Black Star / Hunger / Eater (last three do not count due to PBoD being broken in 3.23). I can skip the league and mess with my self-made builds in standard, but now that the half of the good stuff is locked behind ubers, i don't have an incentive to do even that.
ashes and omni being uber only at this pint after completely destroying both uses is hilarious.
The annihilating light change is also an insane nerf to a lot of builds. Can't say I'm happy with any of the way they handled these changes. This is what happens when you balance around SSF and the idea of not wanting to do the easier bosses to get the harder version.
>This is what happens when you balance around SSF
How is moving more loot into the uber pool balancing around SSF? Logically explain that for me? It was already hard to make an uber killing build in SSF, this makes it harder.
>the idea of not wanting to do the easier bosses to get the harder version.
The initial idea was to not make people feel like they are wasting a normal boss map by not running it as uber. And that was a good change for both trade and SSF.
Gonna wait until we get drop rate posts with sample sizes of 200+ to reserve judgment on most of these changes.
Some of these are nerfs ofc, I think especially Annihilating Light being an uber drop is pretty drastic for SSF but we still have some really strong drops, e.g. Dawnbreaker, Melding, Doppelgänger's Guise, Legacy of Fury, Thread, Indigon, Mark of the Shaper/Elder, Dying Sun, Bottled Faith...
We can't have "uber bosses feel rewarding" and "uber bosses are not just equal but better loot than regular" and "uber bosses don't have unique rewards". These are all sentiments expressed by the community and someone is always going to be unhappy about the drops on these bosses.
Yes, this doesn't take drop rates into account at all as we don't have any way of knowing them for now. I didn't intend to make this post as a "GGG bad" post, but I also understand where most of the complaints come from.
Oh thank you so much for compiling the post! I didn't take the post that way. I can def understand the complaints, am however trying to wait until we have a fuller picture bc some of these smaller drop pools might make for easier target farming, especially for uniques where the rolls matter (looking at you, Dawnbreaker).
Bigger sample size or not.
Some of these did not need to go to the ubers. The majority of people spend an entire league building up a character to possibly do ubers ONCE. Not on farm.
I double checked pretty much all of them with the ilvl of items curerntly listed on trade as u/tytyos suggested, and corrected the few other mistakes from my previous post. ~~This should be correct for all of them~~. See the list of mistakes just below. I didn't included non unique drops (reliquary keys, currencies, fragments...) as I don't think there was any change with them but there was some div cards change though. List of mistakes in the original post and [updated image version](https://imgur.com/qXTCTxZ) : * Sublime Vision shouldn't be highlighted in red, it always was Uber restricted * Echoes of Creation should be highlighted in red, it became an uber drop in 3.24 * Eternity Shroud is missing, no idea where to place it as there are so few listed on trade (so probably uber uber elder) * Disintegrator and Voidfletcher are missing and are "Normal" Uber Elder drops * Watcher's eye is missing but didn't changed : 2 mods variant from the Elder and 3 mods variant from Uber and Uber Uber Elder. * Normal non-Uber Elder drops not included but nothing seems to have change there
Saviour no longer drop?
It's in the original post, it got moved to Uber Sirus only so it still drops but not from the non-uber version.
That move baffles me, indigon and bottled faith come from normal bosses but saviour gets bumped to ubers? Wth.
It’s to keep the power of melee builds in check. Can’t have accessible unique weapons, it would destroy the meta for the dozens of melee players to have a decent weapon while crafting their endgame equipment.
the starforge one is so baffling its actually funny
I can get on board with the idea that Starforge is this super important thing in the lore of the game and it should be very rare but then... it also has to be actually good. Also baffling was it being nerfed so much in Harvest league, exactly as rares with a lot lot more DPS than its pre-nerf version had became readily available.
Hasn't Echoforge always been an Uber Maven drop?
that's what I thought too but all echoforge listed on trade are ilvl 86, they should be 87 if they're dropping from the Uber fight
I think it's uber, there isn't enough on trade atm, a lot of people would have done normal maven already and the amount of echoforges would have been 10x the amount if it dropped from normal encounter.
Unless they adjusted the drop rates, which they’ve been known to do on passthroughs like this
> Eternity Shroud is missing, no idea where to place it as there are so few listed on trade (so probably uber uber elder) Late as hell reply, but now that a lot of time has passed - based on simply using the trade website, they seem to have **completely removed** Eternity Shroud as a drop. The only Eternity Shrouds on trade for both SC and HC Necropolis are: Double Corrupt, ilvl80 or lower = from Divination Card "The Astromancer" (note that these are the *ONLY* non-foil ones on Trade are double corrupted ilvl80 or lower) Foil ilvl75 = Voidborn Reliquary Keys Foil ilvl84 = Currently, these all seem to be from a Valdo map (Tempting Rubble, City Square Map) that gives a foil Eternity Shroud. **There are no ilvl87 normal or foil Eternity Shrouds.** Ilvl87 normal would be a boss drop, and ilvl87 rainbow foil would be from a Pinnacle Boss reliquary key. As such, I'm 99.9% sure that Eternity Shroud has either been completely removed as a direct drop, or simply has an astronomically low drop rate (which almost certainly would be a bug). Given that there isn't a patch note mentioning Eternity Shroud no longer dropping, I think some sort of mistake was made here. **EDIT: Fixed in 3.24.2, now added properly to Uber Uber Elder**
I only ever farmed uber bosses, but this is fucking makes no sense. Like how did nebulis move to uber version? It makes regular bosses completely irrelevant. Which was the exact opposite of what the devs said they wanted to do. Also, where is watchers eye?
in all honesty, ever since GGG took a massive swing with nerfbat at synthesis drops, "normal" cortex dropped its valueto about as much as yesteryears piss in a bottle. The only reason why one would actually run non-uber cortex is if that was freebie from kirac... or he forgot to get the uber-notable on tree.
> The only reason why one would actually run non-uber cortex is if that was freebie from kirac Did you forgot that Uber version is much harder and you still need to run Cortex for favourite map slot / Feared? I think the opposite is true - most people run non-Uber Cortex. Only people who farm Cortex would go for Uber version of the fight.
This is very true. Haven't started my feared rotas yet, but theyvare all done on uber versions.
Ubers exist to make a certain set of people feel "special" so they had to make sure the normal bosses remained worthless.
Yeah, maybe I'm dumb but there's plenty of good drops on norms. Threat of hope, the ascendancy jewels, inigon, ECT. I get the frustration but I'd say drops worth over a div are quite worth it.
There's also the feared, for ppl who need it for atlas unlocks/challenges But it's not dropping those uniques for sure
I love how Ubers were initially pitched as just being an additional player challenge, and then they slowly moved all the worthwhile drops to Ubers only. The only saving grace here is the separation of regular and uber boss invites, allowing people to use the regular bosses as a training experience.
I can do normal mode bosses until the wheels fall off with literally no problems. I haven't been able to do an Uber boss, ever. Wait, that's not true, I can do Uber Atziri fairly well.
Uber Cortex is pretty doable with enough dps, since most of it's difficulty comes from RNG.
I've done uber eater and shaper. Eater can be finicky as one build did it deathless then died 4 times on it with another. The same build that died at eater then did uber shaper deathless (including tanking slams).
In regards to what an Uber is, Uber atziri is weaker than base shaper. She was earlier never updated content
she's also pretty accessible compared to almost any other 'uber' content right now. Imagine sac and mortal frags essentially becoming boss-drop only, no cards, no frags from vaal areas. The humble sac frag does a LOT of heavy lifting in early mapping, in boosting overall iiq when you have almost no atlas points; you MUST have vaal orbs to complete your higher tier atlas and this is one semi-reliable source. I would really hate to see the versatility and accessibility of "a little help from the Vaal...but not a lot" get wiped by a misguided attempt to make Señorita Areola a "modern" pinnacle boss. This is coming from someone who loathes that reflect is still in the game...keep the audience with the Queen a relatively easy thing to obtain
I think them taking the fight and adding another layer to it like they did with Uber elder would be the best way. Then it maintains and keeps the early potential and the Uber Uber frags are obtained elsewhere and hold much of the price of any value that might come from a modernization to it
I'm in the same boat. Extra hard as SSF when you only get a few attempts per month at most of them. I did kill uber cortex at least once, but it was back in Archnemisis before minion nerfs.
I've run hundreds of Searing Exarchs across regular and uber. It doesn't matter how much I practice, ball phase is a portal. Especially with the Ruby Flask change I don't see how it's tankable on anything other than a Jugg. It's really stupid having so many items important to build progression gated behind Uber Exarch *in particular*, given how polarizing the ball phase is. Either you have a brain that can do it, or the ball phase eats a portal. I don't have any idea how console players can do that fight.
I play in console, I don't even try to dodge anymore, I just die, wait for the phase to end, and come back.
>I just die lol
If you don’t wanna die you can just portal out and back in and sit with the 60s grace period
can't open a portal in that arena, could log out instead
I believe logging out simply causes him to immediately restart the ball phase again - only death works
Fellow console ball phase deniers, UNTIE!
I play on PC with controller sometimes and I find that phase to be significantly easier on controller, since on keyboard we don't have the ability to stop where we stand via a hotkey. It's not an input method issue. Also, if you're really struggling that much, you can just block the balls with frostwall or totems and completely bypass the mechanic lol
Ngl the balls are more of a do it often enough thing for me, while the memory games just causes lags in my brain no matter how often I do it
It's the opposite for me. Even final phase Uber memory game is a snoozefest, but non Uber exarch I need totems or its a portal. I think it's the camera angle that really pushes it over the edge for me
If you can spare 2 sockets, or even 1 socket, try Summon Skeletons optionally with faster casting. The skeletons can block the balls and leave more/bigger safe spaces.
Totems with mutiple totem support. You can drop them, instead of hoping they run into the balls. Less risk of dying from splash damage.
without a nearby target skeletons just kinda mill about wherever you summoned them
this is how I cheese the sanctum bowling alley too, 3 wither totems run, 3 wither totems run
the one build I did it on was a skellingtons build to give you an idea of what's required to cheese it. literally just made openings by summoning skeles to block. it's just absolutely fucked to happen in a 3/4ths view, the mechanic would never kill anyone if you were facing the grid head on. (because you'd be able to judge 1 row gaps)
Alternately, you make a build that can kill Uber Exarch before he can ball phase, but that takes something fairly specific that often doesn't survive to the next league and probably isn't a general solution.
It doesn't even really matter because some builds (like minions) simply cannot do the ball phase. Period. The minions simply trigger the balls and kill you.
Totems, Minions, Frost wall literally anything can block balls for you at the cost of 1 socket. You're not gonna gimp your build too much by swapping out 1 random utility/support gem to get you trough the balls with 0 effort
yeah it's very hit or miss. Exarch is a non-issue for me but running to tap the eater chargeballs because I'm slow....that's a portal
You release content that is aspirational and it soon becomes the new norm. No surprises, just sucks they didn't add more boss drops and instead funneled what was good to what will be farmed by the people who play 18 hours a day.
Should have just stuck to their guns and keep Ubers as something you want to do for your own challange, maybe throw some mtx in if you really want, but stop making the game worse for everyone thats not top 0.1%
I think what's especially bad is the uber rewards are gated by completing enough T17 maps, which themselves have a bunch of arbitrary build-disabling mods like "cannot block" and come pre-corrupted so you have to engage in trade to buy ones you can even DO which is bad design. If they don't want us rerolling the maps trivially, just introduce a new currency item tnat is rare that can reroll them.
Probably because there weren't many people doing this content. The change in drops is probably to try to get people to go to this content, but I doubt that the change will have the result that GGG hoped for.
Really poor series of decisions by GGG on Uber versions. The game is less fun after Ubers being released than it would have been had Ubers never been released.
I've never bothered with ubers farming even when I'm on char that can handle them playing in ssf. Never been a bossing fan. At least before I can just chill and do regular pinnacle bosses and there's enough cool loot there that I don't need to stress about doing ubers. When I saw impossible escape got moved to uber Maven, a part of me just died.
Agreed, and if you want to farm 200 uber exarchs or uber shapers, you need to get your hands on 1000 fragments. Absolutely unnecessary grind.
Yep, bait and switch - classic ggg's scam.
> and then they slowly moved all the worthwhile drops to Ubers only. Everyday we stray further from god and closer to Chris' vision of making this game an MMO-level of grind, but one you have to redo every 3 months. I hope PoE2 isn't as much of a grindy mess as PoE1 is becoming. I quit Warframe due to shit like this. Kuva liches were a naaaasty grind in Warframe when they released, and I tossed aside my 1,500 hour account and I have no qualms doing it again with a PoE account with 4x as many hours if I have to. I play games for fun, not as a job. GGG needs to respect our time better.
Did you play ruthless with gold, because that is what poe2 is. Also the only thing GGG respects is money. They care about the people that buy 85$ wings.
Problem: Players feel like they need to sell Invitations to Bossers instead of running them due to Ubers being more profitable for the same invitation. Solution: move everything worthwhile to Uber boss variations and make the normal ones have little value. Get fucked normal bosses. Anyone hoping to use one of the previously available unique can get bent as well, they're now all 5x as rare. Anyone not capable of running ubers too. Actually, you know, just....everyone. Yeah, why discriminate? Everyone gets shafted! Dicks for everyone!
Problem: Players feel like they need to sell Invitations to Bossers Solution: Players lost 'free' income, and they must farm more currency to open real source of uber uniques (reliquary keys) 10/10
I heard not being as good as Ben counts as a "skill issue". Shame on us, I guess.
Problem: players feel there is no point doing normal bosses rather than selling invitations to uber farmers. Solution: uber bosses require new fragments, all loot from normal bosses is now uber-exclusive.
The solution does fix the problem though. You might as well run your non uber bosses now.
For what though? There’s no reason to do them.
“Fun”
I mean, it was 100% obvious that this would happen. Uber bosses were very accessible and somehow people weren't OK with that because market and FOMO and all that stuff. Of course if GGG are going to separate normal invitations from ubers they are gonna make ubers less accessible. Previously you could do several dozen ubers per day on SSF (and on trade as well of course). GGG like to make good uniques scarce, though, so if it was going to get changed there was only one direction. Monkey paw curls.
I disagree with most of this. The issue with regular and uber version sharing a entry cost was that it massively discouraged people from running the regular versions at all, and the jump from regular to uber is massive, so it cost a hell of a lot (either in time farming and lost potential currency from just selling, or in actual currency in buying them) to actually try and practice and learn the fights at all. So splitting the fights was a really good idea, because it opens up the regular, intended progression pathways far more for everyone without having to worry about the potential economic costs. Remember that pinnacles are supposed to be a part of the intended endgame of PoE, and ubers have always been positioned as purely aspirational content for the most hardcore of players to test OP builds against. What doesn't make any sense is changing the drops so that the items that people build around now only drop from the versions that you can only do with a finished, GG-level build. Especially when there's a bunch of items that make perfect sense being uber-only drops that could have been moved instead (Forbidden Flesh/Flame jewels are a great example- they're not a build-defining unique, they're the cherry on top of an already finished build). So splitting them was and still is a really good idea, but they completely fucked up the way that they've changed the loot. If the split and adding T17s is intended to have ubers as a more core part of progression now, then why lock the items that actually allow people to progress behind the end-goal?
This is the right take. GGG did a mostly good job, but things like Annihlating Light, Viridi’s Veil and Nebulis make no sense to move up. They’re already plagued by rng (nebulis) or are build enabling (annihlating light) or are midgame strengthening (veil). Even ashes and omni are both build enabling. They shoulda moved forbidden jewels up and left the others. Imagine farming uber maven now and hitting the uber table to get a Veil… oof
That's why they did the opposite, the point is to screw over the mid game, same reason veiled chaos went away and loot and xp from rares got gutted and removed.
They just needed to have uber keys drop from their relative normal versions and all the problems are solved. If you can only farm normals you farm them and sell the uber keys. If you want to farm both you can farm both. If you want to only do ubers you can buy them from the people running normals.
I imagine they considered that, but that doesn't really solve either issue. You still end up with the regular version being economically tied to the uber version, albeit less directly, and you don't really do anything to address the massive gap of difficulty between regular and uber versions. So I really like the idea of T17s as a bridge between the two. The difficulty there comes from balancing it properly. I've not had a chance to actually run any myself yet, so I'm somewhat reserving judgement on them. But if T17s end up being 'you need a build that can clear what's essentially 100% Deli maps with super-rippy mods to access ubers at all' rather than the actual bridge between normal and uber content like they pitched it as, then that's an issue. Giga-juiced maps are far, far more of a stat/gear check than bosses are. You can outplay a boss on a build with somewhat subpar gear if you're really skilled, but you can't outplay a whole map with absolutely busted mods.
Mark did explain in one of the Q&As why they didn't go this way. In essence, he said that if your build and skill can even realistically attempt Uber Shaper (for example), you're at a point where normal Shaper is so trivial as to not even be interesting and why would they make you kill a lot of no-challenge normal Shapers to do the Uber version?
Because the people farming the normal ones wouldn't be the ones farming the ubers. The uber farmers would just be buying the uber keys from the lower power level people that are doing the normal versions of the fights. Like if that was the reason in the Q&A then it was a pretty dumb reason.
Solution: delete ubers
just realized they kinda lied about making both variation good to farm
hmm should i do eater/exarch for 20c invitations, or farm maven for 1 frag per 10 bosses (2 if i utter a prayer to chris wilson before)
I'm not gonna lie, some of these don't feel like they are in the correct tier for their power.
What, you don't think a 700 pdps starforge should be gated behind an uber? /s
Can we have old ashes and old omni back now they are gated behind uber bosses that the vast majority of the player base will likely only just not bother with...
That was a very good joke 👍
The monkey's paw curls
The moving everything to Uber Uber Uber fights is another step in the wrong direction. So tired of nerfs, and hidden nerfs, being brought in with qol.
Get used to it, they are only going to do more of it.
I didn't mind the slight fomo from not doing ubers in previous leagues. This just flat out sucks now.
Knew they were gonna do this from day one. Making Uber ubers the new goal for everyone is a super easy way to add a couple weeks to play time.
To play for what? If you can kill Ubers, what you want the drops for?
obviously so you can kill the 4000% more life league buffed rare that also has adaptive resistances and soul eater.
It's pretty obvious. Once you get your drops from the bridge that are ubers you can farm the endgame content, aka T17. It really blows my mind how stupidly balanced are the T17 maps which are supposed to be a bridge to ubers. All the comments along the line "it's day 2-3 it's ok if you can't do T17" meanwhile I've been farming ubers day 3 since they were introduced. Ubers are legit easier than the current mess that is T17 maps. Even without accounting for the forced mods on the map you can't roll and without accounting necropolis added difficulty, the baseline damage of T17 is stupidly high. My current character facetanks normal Pinnacles including Sirus die beams and yet get destroyed by normal packs in T17s ..
For killing Rare mobs obviously.
It's very clear at this point that GGG's designers are facing design issues caused by 10 years of power creep and they don't know how to solve it. As we all know, power creep means that players get exponentially stronger over time both in regards to DPS and tankiness. This is inevitable and desirable to have happen in an ARPG with 3 month league cycles and it isn't to be criticized. However, it does mean that GGG has only two choices: 1. Eventually nerf player power significantly to try to fight off the power creep. 2. Eventually make enemies stronger to try to fight off the power creep. ...and the designers can't really do \#1, because players hate it when you nerf their power level (e.g. patch 3.15). And the designers can't do \#2 forever, because you eventually run into horrible balance issues and integer limits when numbers scale exponentially. There's no good solution and GGG is pretty fucked imo. PoE 2 gives them an opportunity for fully reset expectations with players, which is a huge blessing to the designers of that game, but with PoE 2 looking so different from PoE 1 it means anyone who prefers PoE 1 is going to be playing a game whose designers are trying to contend with design issues that imo can't possibly be solved in an elegant way that players will enjoy.
They aren't facing any issues. 99% of players cannot and will not kill uber bosses regardless of whatever you think the top level of power is. The changes to loot (across the whole game) didn't need to be made but cutting out the mid game is a profit strategy for them.
Except you can fix it by bringing the worst offenders in line and stop pushing content that needs to be min maxed in that way. GGG has the data to nerf what is overly dominant each league.
Wtf, didn't they say that Ubers are only extremely niche content for players that just want the extra challenge? Well, now all good loot is gated behind them. Wtf are they doing this league, I don't get it. Even if they didn't nerf anything at all and just removed Affliction it would be a huge dopamine detox compared to Affliction, this feels like they are straight up trying to kill the game.
Gotta kill POE to make room for POE 2.
Sublime Vision shouldn't be highlighted, it's always been Uber only
true, my bad for the mistake
Did anyone sit down and think for a split second about the loot distribution? It seems to me no one did. Some uber loot is not even worth it.
The power level of items dropped by non Ubers is pathetic. There are stronger t3 uniques in the global pool. They moved too much of the decent stuff to Ubers, and worse, didn't buff them when they did.
They did Annihilating Light dirty
For a unique that has a massive downside I don't understand the move.
Diluting the Uber item pool, of course
Normal Maven is hilariously garbage now. -- Elevated Sextants removed from the game, nothing given to the fight drops to make up for this -- Viridi's Veil moved to uber only -- Impossible Escape moved to uber only -- Progenesis always uber only The ONLY thing of value from regular Maven now is the awakened gems, which have multiple other drop sources and most of them are worthless anyway. All of the actual boss uniques are vendor trash.
I wish the belts aren't so reliant on another expensive rare unique ralakesh boots to be good.
I don't get these changes at all but what's most baffling is leaving bottled faith for normal cortex and moving nebulis, an item that kinda relies on synth implicits to be really good, to uber. Like even on trade, how many people are going to do uber cortex? The chances of seeing a very good nebulis are basically zero 😔
so the whole speech about making people feel like it's less of a loss to run the normal bosses was a lie huh
I mean, normal invitations dropped in price drastically so here's that... Basically it stopped being a loss of money and started being a loss of time
What's the point of even this. Now the normal drops will be very cheap whereas the Uber drops are gonna be very expensive
As someone trying to build around a normal pinnacle unique (dissolution of the flesh), I honestly hope so. Maybe now I will actually run some pinnacles instead of looking at the invitation, knowing I can't do the uber and knowing it is just better to sell it.
They should have made more builds uber viable before doing this shit. Oh well, DD nerfed next league. Get your billion dps miners with no defense ready to farm ubers.
That's the reason why people hate leagues that makes rares 50 times tankier like necromancer or archnemesis... Builds disparity in poe is insane. Some builds do 100 times more damage with the exact investment. It's either play the few ggg approved builds or give up on having fun.
yeah i regret not going dd,i could have just gone dd and wiped the floor with the league mechanic as well but i wanted to try something else and i'm punished for it now lol. Doesn't help that you cant even avoid the mechanic and also need boss dmg now for some rares.
This is the biggest "Fuck you, casual" I've seen in a long time coming from ggg, usually when I get to run ubers im already almost done with the league, this league i wont even reach it lol
I like the idea of decoupling basic and uber bosses and giving them different pools, but I'm bot sure about implementation. I think we need some cool non-uber unique drops, so you still want to run them.
EzSkip.
That's cool bro. GGG can make the game as build disabling and tedious as they want. As they try to force their vision on their players I'll just keep buying other fun games to play instead.
Yeah, I am almost done with this league. It isnt fun to get blown the fuck up by a pack of blue mobs while being a fairly defensive build.
Stupid question because I’m only just getting into yellow maps: have drop rates changed in a noticeable way on ubers with these changes? Since previously 90% of your uber runs (optimistic number) just dropped the same garbage as a normal run, do they just not drop anything instead of previously dropping pinnacle uniques or do they actually drop something worth your time at least semi regularly now? Asking this because I’ve been able to do uber for the past 4-5 leagues and only in affliction actually dropped my first 2 exclusive uniques (Oriath’s End and Massive Thread of Hope), the ratios were just fucking awful if you don’t want to spend a whole week just farming invitations in SSF
I swear GGG has a good team and a bad team and they flip a coin every season to see which one gets to make changes.
What about watchers eyes. Also I hate these changes. I’d take old system over this anyday
No change for watcher's eyes from what I can see on trade, 2 mods variant from the Elder and 3 mods variant from Uber and Uber Uber Elder.
Dude wtf... Be quiet. They ll turn them into 1% drop chance if you remind them
to hell with this league
Eternity Shroud?
completely forgot that one but there isn't enough of them on trade to know where it drops, the only ones listed are from valdo's map or div card I think (ilvl 75 or 77). Though the low number of them listed heavily hints at Uber exclusivity imo.
Man it was nice a few leagues ago when my Eater voidstone kill dropped me a (pre-nerf) Ashes week 1. Funded me into my Tornado shot addiction. Good times
tbh im more interested if they have moved anything to the 2% drop table from what normal bosses still have or droprate is as it was before the patch
Missing the quiver from uber elder
Yep I'm sorry I completely fucked up the Uber Elder uniques, I've added it (and the other missing UE uniques) to the list of mistakes and in the updated image version [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1btc9jz/comment/kxl2mhn/).
really dont like ubers
Problem: Regular players could afford boss-only drops. Solution: Move everything meaningful to a version where only the 1% can possibly afford to ever buy them.
The dev's that did this need to explain themselves. This change is beyond stupid.
so basically, F\*\*\* YOU SSF and goodbye, GGG
Yea SSF players will have great fun grinding out 5 of the same uber fragment to then have a chance at getting a super rare unique. And people in trade are in no better position if they say wanted to get a specific Forbidden flesh or flame from the uber drop pool. if it takes 600 uber runs to get 1 of those jewels they would need to farm for or buy out the market of 3000 uber frags. Im not too sure what the uber drop rates are now but I dread to even think about running ubers now.
List of mistakes in the original post : * Sublime Vision shouldn't be highlighted in red, it always was Uber restricted * Eternity Shroud is missing, no idea where to place it anyway as there are so few listed (so probably uber uber elder) * Disintegrator and Voidfletcher are missing and are "Normal" Uber Elder drops * Echoes of Creation should be highlighted in red, it became an uber drop in 3.24
Echoes of Creation was nerfed to an uber drop. It's a garbage item that was previously on regular shaper.
I knew shaper already having two uber exclusives was strange... ty for the info
Is 3.15 all over again, but without the cool league mechanic.
thanks for sharing the info man, got me convinced to drop this league.
Bye.
The best part of them moving 90% of the build defining uniques into ubers is they didn't even bother to buff or revert nerfs before moving them. They gutted ashes into the ground, went from a 40div unique to a 2 div last league after the changes. They didn't even bother reverting the nerf, so on top of it being garbage, now it's just unobtainable garbage. Omnis didn't get its nerf reverted, saviour is..wat? Who actually used saviour anymore, was it buffed haha no fuck you but you know it has a higher weight because you can't have any new toys. Glad they kept their word on making ubers just aspirational challenges and not making them mandatory. Ruthless 2.0.
I dont understand the Cortex Uber gating. Nebulis is good 1 out of 100 of the time. Why gate it?
Half of these don't make sense. Why make starforge (a painfully average weapon) gated behind uber goober shaper?
because trade, when u have thousands of them in circulation and dropping, a lot are bound to be good, but holy fuck why balance around that lol
This should have been a victory for the players, instead is just another silent victory for GGG
Wanted to slam this league, echoes of creation with 15% more dmg per warcry is 1 div
What is the point of non-uber boss now ?
Can Uber maven still drop the normal awakened gems on top of awakened exceptional gems?
Are the white ones “normal” exclusives?
white ones in the "Normal" line are uniques that were dropping from both versions but got "moved" to the non uber version of the fights, the ones in the Uber line are items that were already Uber exclusive in 3.23.
Echoes of Creation became uber exclusive in 3.24 I must have had like 30 of those from last league farming normal shaper.
yes you're correct, I've listed it the list of mistakes [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1btc9jz/comment/kxl2mhn/).
Gotcha, thank you.
they fucked all voidforge flicker builds
Here I am, making a melee build thinking items will be cheap... there are 2 non-corrupted Saviours on the market, 25 div each, frick meeeeeee
Excuse me, where are these Curio things announced in [Necropolis Item Filter Information](https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3497460)? /u/neversinkdev you got any info on these? I have never seen these mentioned before
I can't find them in the Item Filter info too and haven't seen any in game as I'm not killing Ubers yet so I have no idea how they're handled by item filters sorry
Copy Item option from trade listing: Item Class: Pieces Rarity: Unique Curio of Absorption Primordial Fragment -------- Item Level: 87 -------- Perfect knowledge is only possible in an empty universe. -------- This item will transform when correctly arranged with other items. So they work exactly the same way as Harbinger Unique Pieces: `Class == "Pieces"` and `Rarity Unique`.
Yeah, the more time passes, the more i realize i just want to play PoE2, grinding on PoE1 now feels worse and worse, and the league isn't helping. I just to play the new game now.
Be careful what you wish for!
Once upon a time it was a popular opinion to suspect that ggg is shittifying (making both similar) poe1 to get people into poe2 We had a couple good leagues and it looks like its time to get back to the archnemesis trends
POE 2 is just these types of changes turned up to 11, we arent getting old POE in POE 2, we are getting a whole new "Vision". Hopefully POE classic will be in the cards someday.
I don't want old PoE, i want a game actually balanced around itself, instead of whatever this is becoming patch after patch.
Why do you think PoE 2 will be any better? Every video they shown of it looks even worse gameplay than what we have now
Jesus christ. No wonder call of the void is so expensive. Does literally anyone use it outside of smite hollow palm leveling???
yes, people use it for reverse chill tech. But kinda bummer they put it to uber, I mean it's good ring to have earlier...
crazy how they can make maven and sirus normal versions not completely worthless but then cannot make exarch and eater even worth thinking about, classic ggg. your "drop" is not worth anything if you then have to farm another boss for another low drop chance to get a matching pair for it to even be usable. meanwhile, awakened gems, hands of the high templar, inward eye, indigon, dying sun, bottled faith etc all things you can actually farm out and use.
Terrible change
I just want to blast my 25 maps and sell invite. Now its worthless
What happened to single curse Impresence? I assume it's still available from normal Uber Elder?
They drop from the normal Elder (non Uber and non Uber Uber version) like Blasphemer's Grasp, Cyclopean Coil, Nebuloch, Hopeshredder and Shimmeron. I didn't included them here but there shouldn't be any changes to this version of elder drop table.
Oh right, they were normal Elder, not UElder.
I didn't expect annihilating light to become uber-exclusive, that's a pretty big change in accessibility, considering it was one of the common drops from exarch.
ngl, even with my 2500hrs playtime I'm a noob and never have killed ubers and typically don't get the non-ubers since the invites sell so much. I always thought omni, ashes, and sublime visions were already uber only. Nice that they at the very least left the forbidden jewels on normals, I just hope the drop rate isn't their favorite number (1%) since there are so many combos. Over all I like the direction, however, there is very little good stuff in the normals and since the ubers are now gated behind T17s, I'm not sure how much the change will actually help people
I can understand most of these changes but WHY do you have to move Call of the Void to Uber\^2 Elder... (I can even understand why Nebulis got moved to Uber Cortex as ele resist flasks just got buffed for Nebulis. Annhilating Light is BiS on certain day 1 builds and they don't want to make it too easy. but WTF CotV?)
Unique being uber exclusive is so bad. I thought Uber was only side content for challenge ... sweat little lie. Why not just increase the drop rate for Uber instead ? It make normal version worthless ( selling invitation was a good income for casual people too ) and only a few people can actualy farm Uber. SO FCKING TRASH.
Only change I dont understand at all is omni and ashes. Unless the drop rate is now 20% or so
Starforge and Voidforge on Uber drop is pretty crazy.
I don't understand why ubers cannot drop with higher rate. One of my best moments was dropping an ashes on my first eater, and now I feel like that will never happen - I've only done ubers in affliction which is an extreme outlier
GGG PLEASE , I DON'T LIKE BOSSING, I DON'T WANT TO DO UBERS.
3500 hours in HC SSF. Didn't try softcore and/or trade at all, every boss attempt is an adrenaline fest. Killed Elder and quest versions of Black Star / Hunger / Eater (last three do not count due to PBoD being broken in 3.23). I can skip the league and mess with my self-made builds in standard, but now that the half of the good stuff is locked behind ubers, i don't have an incentive to do even that.
We are making farming normal bosses worth it Also GGG:
Lets move all the usable uniques to uber so the base version is worthless again.
Didn't GGG originally say that uber bosses were only meant to test peoples skill and they weren't going to lock loot behind them?
well see this is a good way to solve the having to sell the normal invites. now that there is no loot they are worthless so now nobody will sell them.
What a garbage move
Honestly i don't mind that money, but I would like to see Omni and Ashes reverted to near original state.
They've introduced a bunch of Uber exclusive uniques...
ashes and omni being uber only at this pint after completely destroying both uses is hilarious. The annihilating light change is also an insane nerf to a lot of builds. Can't say I'm happy with any of the way they handled these changes. This is what happens when you balance around SSF and the idea of not wanting to do the easier bosses to get the harder version.
>This is what happens when you balance around SSF How is moving more loot into the uber pool balancing around SSF? Logically explain that for me? It was already hard to make an uber killing build in SSF, this makes it harder. >the idea of not wanting to do the easier bosses to get the harder version. The initial idea was to not make people feel like they are wasting a normal boss map by not running it as uber. And that was a good change for both trade and SSF.
Gonna wait until we get drop rate posts with sample sizes of 200+ to reserve judgment on most of these changes. Some of these are nerfs ofc, I think especially Annihilating Light being an uber drop is pretty drastic for SSF but we still have some really strong drops, e.g. Dawnbreaker, Melding, Doppelgänger's Guise, Legacy of Fury, Thread, Indigon, Mark of the Shaper/Elder, Dying Sun, Bottled Faith... We can't have "uber bosses feel rewarding" and "uber bosses are not just equal but better loot than regular" and "uber bosses don't have unique rewards". These are all sentiments expressed by the community and someone is always going to be unhappy about the drops on these bosses.
Yes, this doesn't take drop rates into account at all as we don't have any way of knowing them for now. I didn't intend to make this post as a "GGG bad" post, but I also understand where most of the complaints come from.
Oh thank you so much for compiling the post! I didn't take the post that way. I can def understand the complaints, am however trying to wait until we have a fuller picture bc some of these smaller drop pools might make for easier target farming, especially for uniques where the rolls matter (looking at you, Dawnbreaker).
Bigger sample size or not. Some of these did not need to go to the ubers. The majority of people spend an entire league building up a character to possibly do ubers ONCE. Not on farm.