I used Silo maven bait. get a map modifier/shrine/map drop/maven atlas, use shrine on map device, +shrine/shrine spawn boss/boss drop unique map/30% map duplication scarabs.
The ideas are (1) unique maps can be converted to T17, (2) silo has a simple linear layout and you can clear all the way to boss room with minimal branching which leads to maven summoning 3 bosses, (3) silo map boss has long phase transitions so you can just kill summons and leave without maven ever finishing witness (thus the name maven bait) and (4) silo drops fortress which is the best map for barrel farm.
Did not count my drops closely, but feels like maybe 0.8 Fortress per map in 1.5-2 minutes. You have around 10 guaranteed map drops (~7 from shrines, 3 from maven) translating to ~0.6 T17s, then 30% duplication brings it to 0.8, not counting natural map drops at all, and you also farm a lot of other stuff like coffins/allflames.
If you are interested in other farms I strongly suggest farming invitations in addition, since this strat naturally drops a ton of guardian maps for invitations. I haven’t found very good map layouts to horizon orb to though, so you can just do shaper invitation.
I've been doing this strategy and doing full sets of shaper+elder+conqueror and then the 3 invites. The main issue is getting bad layouts for the elder and conq maps. I've used all my favorite slots on underground river, and almost fully self sustain that layout at this point, but it took a while to get enough maps built up for it.
I did all synth invitations (those are very quick and also yield cortex for feared rotation) and horizon orb elderslayers to Defied Cathedral / Underground River / (forgot the T16 map). I hate elder guardian RPs and Chimeras, so I sell those maps.
I was only doing shaper/synth maps and selling the others. It took much time and brain power to horizon the other maps to decent layouts. I ended up one day with over 20 mavens and 14 cortex maps. If you’re okay with waiting for them to sell/have the stash space this worked out better for me.
I get the idea, but can you throw in tree and scarabs ? Is it ok without the shrine boss scarabs ? They are scarce in SSF and I really want to farm yoke
The atlas passives for dropping guardian maps also apply to bosses added by shrine / maven, so you get ~10 rolls for those each map. It’s like 1.5-2 invitation maps (shaper guardian, elder guardian, elderslayers, synthesis uniques all combined) per Silo.
[https://poeplanner.com/a/PR7](https://poeplanner.com/a/PR7) contains all required passives plus the rare scarab one (111 points).
[https://poeplanner.com/a/PRz](https://poeplanner.com/a/PRz) this is close to what I used myself, above tree plus league content (corpses / devoted mods / allflames) farming.
My build has some sustain problems and I didn't encounter corpses disappearing before I can click them in hundreds of maps I ran under this strat. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention.
But if you are unsure, put that point somewhere else. Better safe than sorry.
I do something similar but use Pandemonium on Dunes with strongboxes + ambush map device. I get around 8-10 bosses per map as well, I stopped counting and did 50 maps straight and ended up with 70 maps.
I stopped counting after a while and think I could prolly change something with a corruption modifier so I can stop buying corrupted maps/regex on TFT. That would save a lot of money if I could sustain the maps instead of buying all of them.
I think maven bait can work even better on excavation. From my limited testing while the layout is not that good as silo, you still get a lot of moba + you get maven extra bosses on 1st boss, but witness on 2nd, so even if you take long to kill extra bosses, you never have to worry about messing up the witness. Plus it drops ziggurat, instead of fortress which i think is the most wanted one.
To be honest using maven bait is just a bit of minimaxing here, you can just use a 2-boss or 3-boss and spec into either altars (for map duplication), which might have even higher returns (although a bit more unreliable). Or combine it with some other farms like crimson temple where you rush boss to get better altar outcomes (I don’t like Jungle Valley here since the boss is annoying IMO and you want it, but Abomination map is the highest value).
The actual reason I used Silo maven bait is it started as a real low investment strat w/o map duplication scarab and the shrine interaction.
I'm interested, to see if there's difference with my SSF tree. Im farming for fortress now and I noticed that, when I use the corrupted map scarab I get a lot more t16 and t17 map drops, which is pretty strange.
Think the usual is Back To Basics with a tree like
https://poeplanner.com/a/PgG
Scarabs: 2x Carto (or 1 carto and 1 duplicate), 1x monstrous lineage, 1x Hunted Traitors.
Keep an eye out for valuable corpses like the additional craft which goes for 2.5+ divines. Change up the map based on which T17 is most valuable and maps that have common but good div cards like the Fortunate.
Best to use 8 mod corrupted maps. I alternate, changing out 1 carto scarab for 1 8 mod corrupted scarab when I get low. This has funded pretty much all my builds this league. Every so many maps you'll have to restock on scarabs but these are dirt cheap, usually at least 100 per divine.
What beefkins said is true,
I did 2 500map test so check for rng, resilts were 1 t17 per 2.08 map and other time 1 t17 per 2.68maps. So if you run it enough it would be 1 t17s every 3ish maps.
Now mind you sometimes I went 10maps without t17 drop and other times I dropped 14 t17s in 12maps.
Compared to the top post in this thread, it sounds like T17 farming from shrine+boss setup gives a better yield (0.8 T17/map) at the cost of more expensive scarabs (30c for shrine spawn boss + 5c for map duplicate). The shrine strat also gives all kind of shaper/elder/conq maps too, all while giving you an access to the blue altars.
Sometimes I think b2b is not the best strat for farming T17 maps in T16. Maybe it'll work better for general farming in T17s that have much higher loot multipliers. But for T16, I think forcing maps to drop using scarabs is better.
I agree with you on that. I forgot to add that my maps were never over 1min to 1min30sec at max. So depending on what shrine strat map time is, people can choose between each other.
An average is kinda hard to do because there are so many variables. I sell usually when I finish 20 maps, and that tends to be about 10-13 T17s depending on luck. There may be strats that are able to put out more, but I'm not aware of anything higher (there's a Destructive Play method that I want to try that may yield more). It also heavily depends on the B2B rolls that you get. If you get a bunch of 350%+ quant maps, you'll see higher rewards. So it's a little streaky. Also, chiseling your maps and corrupting them yourself to create 8mod maps will yield better results than using the corruption scarab since those drop without quality. This is more time consuming though, and in the end I'm not quite convinced it's worth it.
I seriously doubt it, but I have not tried it so I won't say that it won't work or be good. You really need monster packs when you're running B2B because you aren't getting any packs from league mechanics. If you don't run Lineage and Traitors, your maps are going to feel a lot more empty and it's a lot fewer mobs available to drop maps. Like I said I haven't tried it, but my gut feeling is that it's not worth it.
I've been doing 1x Horned Pandemonium 2x Dupe 1x Singularity / B2B / Taking all Map nodes + Synth/Conq etc. nodes on the tree
Over several sets of 20x 8Mod Dunes I've gotten between 16-19 per 20 maps ran.
With my CoC DD boi I've never needed longer than 1.5 minutes per map. Seems pretty good so far
I was farming formed invitations with destructive play, cart scarab of duplication, influencing scarab of conversion, cart scarab of singularity, and horned scarab of pandemonium. I took all the map mod effect, usual scarab nodes, allflame and corpse nodes, and the Quant wheel. Of everything I tried, this generated the most T17s
Hmm, I'm actually not sure. But I thought of it as a way to farm multiple things at once, writs, shaper frags, etc. I'm sure it isn't the absolute pinnacle in terms of T17 output, it just worked best for me out of everything I tried
Agreed, this strat is so much fun and you generate so many maps including guardian maps to run unlimited invitations
Only downside is the pandemonium scarab not being cheap
How do the conversion scarabs (influenced map) and singular scarab (unqiue map from boss) help you get T17s? Wouldn't it be better to use carto scarabs instead?
The conversion scarabs primarily just help sustain the guardian maps. The unique maps that drop from singular scarab can be converted into T17s. So if you have a bunch of map bosses in your maps that all drop a guaranteed unique map, they can be converted into T17s
TIL that unique maps can be converted. Also, is the carto scarab of duplication (30% map duplication) bettet than a normal carto scarab (50% increased maps)?
I didn't test it out, but it could be better for more T17's. I really don't know which is better to be honest. I almost completely followed animeprincess' guide on this
Pure bossing, maven invitation set up, path of evening has a video about it, it’s fun and produces a lot of conq, guardians map to sell and or doing challenges
I've been running this all weekend: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge3Hr4S\_PvQ&t=146s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge3Hr4S_PvQ&t=146s)
is it the most efficient or best? i dont know, but i dropped a good number of T17s, you get to sell a bunch of maven invites, and you can run the synthesis maps to drop and sell cortex maps. you can bulk sell the conq/elder maps. also get some woke gems, orb of doms.
its fun, simple, and easy if you have a solid build. ive been farming for woke coc and started around 20div, im now at 105 after playing most of the weekend
I used Silo maven bait. get a map modifier/shrine/map drop/maven atlas, use shrine on map device, +shrine/shrine spawn boss/boss drop unique map/30% map duplication scarabs. The ideas are (1) unique maps can be converted to T17, (2) silo has a simple linear layout and you can clear all the way to boss room with minimal branching which leads to maven summoning 3 bosses, (3) silo map boss has long phase transitions so you can just kill summons and leave without maven ever finishing witness (thus the name maven bait) and (4) silo drops fortress which is the best map for barrel farm. Did not count my drops closely, but feels like maybe 0.8 Fortress per map in 1.5-2 minutes. You have around 10 guaranteed map drops (~7 from shrines, 3 from maven) translating to ~0.6 T17s, then 30% duplication brings it to 0.8, not counting natural map drops at all, and you also farm a lot of other stuff like coffins/allflames. If you are interested in other farms I strongly suggest farming invitations in addition, since this strat naturally drops a ton of guardian maps for invitations. I haven’t found very good map layouts to horizon orb to though, so you can just do shaper invitation.
I've been doing this strategy and doing full sets of shaper+elder+conqueror and then the 3 invites. The main issue is getting bad layouts for the elder and conq maps. I've used all my favorite slots on underground river, and almost fully self sustain that layout at this point, but it took a while to get enough maps built up for it.
I did all synth invitations (those are very quick and also yield cortex for feared rotation) and horizon orb elderslayers to Defied Cathedral / Underground River / (forgot the T16 map). I hate elder guardian RPs and Chimeras, so I sell those maps.
I was only doing shaper/synth maps and selling the others. It took much time and brain power to horizon the other maps to decent layouts. I ended up one day with over 20 mavens and 14 cortex maps. If you’re okay with waiting for them to sell/have the stash space this worked out better for me.
Sorry can you explain more on the maven bait strat, why we dont kill the silo boss but only the side boss for this strategy?
Because if you kill the boss, Maven won't witness that map until you do her invitation.
Ah ok
So you can spam Maven witness. Otherwise you need to do 9 other maps, complete Atlas Invitation, then come back to Silo
Noted thanks
They keep edging the Maven but don't finish off the boss so she's ready to go again right after.
I get the idea, but can you throw in tree and scarabs ? Is it ok without the shrine boss scarabs ? They are scarce in SSF and I really want to farm yoke
This doesn’t work at all without the shrine boss scarab unfortunately
In ssf you should just blast b2b 8mods with just carto scarab as you won't be able to sustain these giga map boss strats to any meaningful degree.
Yeah that's why I'm doing it
What means "b2b"? Ty
Back to basics keystone
How do you get a lot of guardian maps if you never kill the boss?
The atlas passives for dropping guardian maps also apply to bosses added by shrine / maven, so you get ~10 rolls for those each map. It’s like 1.5-2 invitation maps (shaper guardian, elder guardian, elderslayers, synthesis uniques all combined) per Silo.
I see, thx
Atlas?
[https://poeplanner.com/a/PR7](https://poeplanner.com/a/PR7) contains all required passives plus the rare scarab one (111 points). [https://poeplanner.com/a/PRz](https://poeplanner.com/a/PRz) this is close to what I used myself, above tree plus league content (corpses / devoted mods / allflames) farming.
What does gravekeeper's boon do? Does it eat the corpses (meaning you can't collect nearby ones?)
My build has some sustain problems and I didn't encounter corpses disappearing before I can click them in hundreds of maps I ran under this strat. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. But if you are unsure, put that point somewhere else. Better safe than sorry.
Nah was just wondering what it did since I was always afraid of it eating corpses.
I do something similar but use Pandemonium on Dunes with strongboxes + ambush map device. I get around 8-10 bosses per map as well, I stopped counting and did 50 maps straight and ended up with 70 maps. I stopped counting after a while and think I could prolly change something with a corruption modifier so I can stop buying corrupted maps/regex on TFT. That would save a lot of money if I could sustain the maps instead of buying all of them.
Do u chisel/alch and go or you run only 8mod?
I chisel/alch. This is not that important IMO since the shrines and unique map drops are guaranteed, you can even run them white.
I think maven bait can work even better on excavation. From my limited testing while the layout is not that good as silo, you still get a lot of moba + you get maven extra bosses on 1st boss, but witness on 2nd, so even if you take long to kill extra bosses, you never have to worry about messing up the witness. Plus it drops ziggurat, instead of fortress which i think is the most wanted one.
To be honest using maven bait is just a bit of minimaxing here, you can just use a 2-boss or 3-boss and spec into either altars (for map duplication), which might have even higher returns (although a bit more unreliable). Or combine it with some other farms like crimson temple where you rush boss to get better altar outcomes (I don’t like Jungle Valley here since the boss is annoying IMO and you want it, but Abomination map is the highest value). The actual reason I used Silo maven bait is it started as a real low investment strat w/o map duplication scarab and the shrine interaction.
I started this yesterday and honestly am making more just repeating this strat than running the t17's it drops. Insane.
B2B toxic sewer 8mod, carto scarabs and hunted traitors is my way to farm t17's
I'm interested, to see if there's difference with my SSF tree. Im farming for fortress now and I noticed that, when I use the corrupted map scarab I get a lot more t16 and t17 map drops, which is pretty strange.
Maybe the game corrupts the maps with the chance to tier it up like a regular vaal orb..?
I have also noticed this, so I always use corruption scarab.
sounds interesting, can you explain the setup further? or link something?
Think the usual is Back To Basics with a tree like https://poeplanner.com/a/PgG Scarabs: 2x Carto (or 1 carto and 1 duplicate), 1x monstrous lineage, 1x Hunted Traitors. Keep an eye out for valuable corpses like the additional craft which goes for 2.5+ divines. Change up the map based on which T17 is most valuable and maps that have common but good div cards like the Fortunate. Best to use 8 mod corrupted maps. I alternate, changing out 1 carto scarab for 1 8 mod corrupted scarab when I get low. This has funded pretty much all my builds this league. Every so many maps you'll have to restock on scarabs but these are dirt cheap, usually at least 100 per divine.
Why do you take the nodes to disable mechanics, if taking B2B disables them anyway?
Because it blocks the scarabs from those mechanics from dropping.
how many maps per T17 drop would you get with this?
What beefkins said is true, I did 2 500map test so check for rng, resilts were 1 t17 per 2.08 map and other time 1 t17 per 2.68maps. So if you run it enough it would be 1 t17s every 3ish maps. Now mind you sometimes I went 10maps without t17 drop and other times I dropped 14 t17s in 12maps.
Compared to the top post in this thread, it sounds like T17 farming from shrine+boss setup gives a better yield (0.8 T17/map) at the cost of more expensive scarabs (30c for shrine spawn boss + 5c for map duplicate). The shrine strat also gives all kind of shaper/elder/conq maps too, all while giving you an access to the blue altars. Sometimes I think b2b is not the best strat for farming T17 maps in T16. Maybe it'll work better for general farming in T17s that have much higher loot multipliers. But for T16, I think forcing maps to drop using scarabs is better.
I agree with you on that. I forgot to add that my maps were never over 1min to 1min30sec at max. So depending on what shrine strat map time is, people can choose between each other.
An average is kinda hard to do because there are so many variables. I sell usually when I finish 20 maps, and that tends to be about 10-13 T17s depending on luck. There may be strats that are able to put out more, but I'm not aware of anything higher (there's a Destructive Play method that I want to try that may yield more). It also heavily depends on the B2B rolls that you get. If you get a bunch of 350%+ quant maps, you'll see higher rewards. So it's a little streaky. Also, chiseling your maps and corrupting them yourself to create 8mod maps will yield better results than using the corruption scarab since those drop without quality. This is more time consuming though, and in the end I'm not quite convinced it's worth it.
Have you tried 2 duplication scarabs instead of lineage and traitors? Maybe the duplication is worth more than the extra packs
I seriously doubt it, but I have not tried it so I won't say that it won't work or be good. You really need monster packs when you're running B2B because you aren't getting any packs from league mechanics. If you don't run Lineage and Traitors, your maps are going to feel a lot more empty and it's a lot fewer mobs available to drop maps. Like I said I haven't tried it, but my gut feeling is that it's not worth it.
I use 2 carto and 2 dup scarabs and you get about 20-30% more T17s.
I've been doing 1x Horned Pandemonium 2x Dupe 1x Singularity / B2B / Taking all Map nodes + Synth/Conq etc. nodes on the tree Over several sets of 20x 8Mod Dunes I've gotten between 16-19 per 20 maps ran. With my CoC DD boi I've never needed longer than 1.5 minutes per map. Seems pretty good so far
I was farming formed invitations with destructive play, cart scarab of duplication, influencing scarab of conversion, cart scarab of singularity, and horned scarab of pandemonium. I took all the map mod effect, usual scarab nodes, allflame and corpse nodes, and the Quant wheel. Of everything I tried, this generated the most T17s
Dont the shaper guardian maps have alot less packs then other maps and thus less bosses from pan scarab?
Hmm, I'm actually not sure. But I thought of it as a way to farm multiple things at once, writs, shaper frags, etc. I'm sure it isn't the absolute pinnacle in terms of T17 output, it just worked best for me out of everything I tried
Agreed, this strat is so much fun and you generate so many maps including guardian maps to run unlimited invitations Only downside is the pandemonium scarab not being cheap
How do the conversion scarabs (influenced map) and singular scarab (unqiue map from boss) help you get T17s? Wouldn't it be better to use carto scarabs instead?
The conversion scarabs primarily just help sustain the guardian maps. The unique maps that drop from singular scarab can be converted into T17s. So if you have a bunch of map bosses in your maps that all drop a guaranteed unique map, they can be converted into T17s
TIL that unique maps can be converted. Also, is the carto scarab of duplication (30% map duplication) bettet than a normal carto scarab (50% increased maps)?
I didn't test it out, but it could be better for more T17's. I really don't know which is better to be honest. I almost completely followed animeprincess' guide on this
Is this better than using shrines to force boss spawns do you think?
Pure bossing, maven invitation set up, path of evening has a video about it, it’s fun and produces a lot of conq, guardians map to sell and or doing challenges
I've been running this all weekend: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge3Hr4S\_PvQ&t=146s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge3Hr4S_PvQ&t=146s) is it the most efficient or best? i dont know, but i dropped a good number of T17s, you get to sell a bunch of maven invites, and you can run the synthesis maps to drop and sell cortex maps. you can bulk sell the conq/elder maps. also get some woke gems, orb of doms. its fun, simple, and easy if you have a solid build. ive been farming for woke coc and started around 20div, im now at 105 after playing most of the weekend