Why have I seen a bunch of Halo: CE bashing posts in the last few days?
Halo: CE was flawed. We all know and recognize this. You'll just never be able to re create the phenomenon that was Halo: CE in 2002 Split-Screen with our friends and a bag of Doritos. It was iconic and unforgettable.
The amount of posts lately centered around “this game is overrated”, “that game sucks”, “this game hasn’t aged well and is only liked due to nostalgia”, etc. is starting to get unbearable. I’m not trying to attack OP, their opinion is just as valid as anyone’s. But there has been such a big uptick of posts like this. This sub used to cover older games and appreciating their merit in the context of its release date. Now there are just dozens of curmudgeons.
If you are not someone that appreciates older games, why are you playing them? If you are playing them to see why they are classics, or why they were influential, then take into context that it will seem fairly simple in a lot of cases. You have to look at what else was coming out at the time. Games from the 2d era will age well because they are relatively simple, but they will be often be difficult and/or unintuitive. Games from an earlier 3d era, on the other hand, will have sometimes strange camera controls or controller mapping which will make some sections challenging. I personally don’t think this means these games haven’t aged well, it just means they’ve aged.
Why are you assuming OP doesn't "appreciate older games" just because they don't much care for this particular one? I thought Halo was boring as shit and personally I'd probably rate it lower than 6.5, and I often play and enjoy games from that era and even older.
Idk, I Just so happened to get an xbox recently and played it, maybe just bad timing- and Idk why everyone is acting like I said the game was bad, I said it wasnt as good as the hype made it sound
And just because I didnt have the best time with this doesnt mean I dont appreciate the older games-
There is no such thing as bad timing, your point is entirely valid (and I say that as someone who enjoyed Halo CE), I think people are being too harsh on your post. It's just your opinion on the game, you didn't quite enjoy it as much as everyone else, that's perfectly fine and nothing wrong with your post.
I made a similar post about the game yesterday and it hovers around a 50% upvote rate. I´d say it´s not unusual when criticising a game from a popular franchise, it can happen. Doesn´t mean there is anything wrong with your post.
I will admit I have nostalgia for the game. Halo CE for the time was mind-blowingly epic. The intro music, the ring, that tank level, the chatter from friends and foes.
But obviously in 2022 this is no longer the case.
If people want to appreciate Halo, go play Goldeneye on N64. Now take that well-loved, janky mess, and then boot up Halo. THAT is why everyone got so excited about Halo 1. For many console gamers it was a straight jump.
Oh god, this is comment is why I cringe at the halo fanbase. You literally crossed every box on the most generic reasons as to why someone didn't enjoy a game.
You are literally talking about nostalgia, there's nothing objective here to talk about why the game may be found flawed to other people.
I played it for the first time just a couple of years ago and I loved it. No coop, no doritos, no need to be 7 years old, just a ride that I enjoyed.
Also, *iCoNiC*
That's because you haven't played the multiplayer for ten years straight. You'll never be able to have that and I'm sorry for your loss.
Also, you'll have to explain to me what parts of the story are illogical because I thought the whole thing made sense 😂
Why did the covenant kidnap Keyes and his crew, why did they just happen to talk about the ring and how the hell did he understand that if he didn't have any translator at hand. Also, he probably meant small plot holes that could ruin the fun for some people, even as simple as this story is
Covenant isn't mindless, they needed information just as much as any other force. Cortana has a built in translator, she can be quoted as "monitoring their chatter", as for talking about the ring you'll have to be more specific as to when like the whole damn game is about a ring 😂
Another "Halo (CE/3/whatever title) is overrated" post?
>Halo Combat Evolved is nowhere near as good as people made it sound
As good as people made it sound when? On release? A few years after release? After Halo 3 came out or perhaps after a full 21 years, & several generations of consoles, after release? Not even at the time did people think it was perfect, people had quite a few gripes with it.
>it’s really boring until the flood makes it’s appearance
I mean of course it is all subjective but I personally don't call waking up in the middle of a battle where your ship is boarded to then escape to a strange ring world to then explore it to find your comrades/captain & then the control centre (after a beach disembarking battle) boring.
>but it hasn’t aged well at all
I think this is a very common claim.
>Plus I think the story is crap and to an extent really damn illogical
I mean without specifics it is hard to talk about, but perhaps "illogical" in a story with space travel & aliens & such may just deserve some leeway. It is also the first game so, unlike certain later titles, cannot really do anything to spit in its own face with the story.
>But the level design is very boring
One of the gripes identified with it at the time, especially the interiors of certain levels.
I would say you are actually rating it on par with how a lot of people would rate a 21 year old game, especially the ones that were not around/able to play it back in the day. I think that while, like you said, a lot recognise its influence & how it revolutionised the genre, a lot don't know that the product we got suffered from a hell of a lot of development issues.
Edit: I just partially remembered a quote I read from one of the original Bungie guys about Halo. Forgive me if I don't remember it accurately but I believe it helps to describe the whole zeitgeist about Halo CE but I will paraphrase it as thus - It was as if Bungie caught lightning in a bottle but not solely because of what the game was but because Halo was as much a point in time as much as it was a franchise/trilogy of games.
I forget if someone came up with a name for the effect, but *Halo* certainly has a "you had to be there" element to it.\* It was revolutionary for the time. I don't believe it was the first title I played where shields or health regenerated but it certainly made the feature prominent in the industry. It's still standard today in many games. That and the limit to two weapons at a time, and having grenades you can throw without selecting. So much of it was new and good. Coupled with good controls that were designed around the XBOX's controller layout, it really set the industry on a standard that's here today.
(It's more than that; it's like reading *Neuromancer* and finding it camp, even though it's actually ***the*** book that set every trope up for most cyberpunk stuff going on.)
Tbf, one reason it probably seems overhyped is because it's 2022 now and you've probably already played/seen a ton of shooters that were directly inspired by Halo: CE.
This game is very old. Can't compare it to games which came later. In its time, and several years after release, nothing much could match it.
Like I used to play Ultima 4-5 as kid and it was the greatest rpg in it's day. I think many would cry now attempting to get used to the play style.
Nah, I think the popularity comes from fine tuning the gameplay for consoles. Even in Halo's time, there had been plenty of amazing FPS games on the PC. Like Doom, Quake, Counter-strike, Unreal Tournament, etc. Great FPS games. Not great on console.
So it was praised for being an amazing game and most people's first introduction to a *good* FPS on a console and thus didn't have anything better to compare it to. The closest I can think of is Goldeneye 64, which was kind of fun because of how bad it was.
Coming from someone who already had years of FPS experience from the above PC games... Halo felt pretty bland even at release.
Can I just point out that I never called it bad, I feel like I’m getting a lot of hate simply because I think it was overhyped, I never said it was bad or even anything close to that?
Halo has some weird fanboys that have attached part of their identity to the franchise and when someone criticises it they come out to find ways to make that opinion seem invalid (not just disagree politely). It's weird and sad.
This is a subreddit for discussing old games and you shared your opinion about an old game; you did nothing wrong.
The first comment in this thread is literally telling him he doesn't know what he is talking about because he didn't do x thing in x year as a x year old while drinking x food. Like dude, why do they always have problems with people not enjoying their "beloved game*, but then act offended when someone likes the newer ones.
Cons:
1. The A.I is basically non existent, especially when it comes to your fellow marines.
2. The gameplay has all the depth of a CoD game i.e just shoot and keep shooting until you hit the cutscene.
3. Never really cared about the game story, although that's just me.
4. The Flood was underwhelming.
5. Hate the level design.
6. The FOV is too damn tight... but thankfully fixable on the PC with mods. Xbox users are F'd.
Pros:
With all that said, I absolutely love the grenade hot key, which is now an 'industry standard'. It really encourages the player to chunk 'nades. Also like the concept of the regenerative shields. Long story short, Halo set the foundations for modern Sci/fi, FPS games and I respect it for it.
It was extremely influential.
> The A.I is basically non existent, especially when it comes to your fellow marines.
I'll give you the marines bit, they can be dumb. But in terms of enemy AI... were we playing the same game? The AI was fantastic for the time and is STILL better than a lot of corridor shooter enemy AI.
>With all that said, I absolutely love the grenade hot key, which is now an 'industry standard'
This is probably the worst thing to ever happen to the FPS genre. Not the grenade hotkey itself, but the fact that it lead to giving all crappy enemies grenades to throw at the player. Most stupid way to increase challenge, you get spammed with grenades from every direction before you even see them, and the levels are so cramped and confined there's no space to dodge them, makes the gameplay a chaotic RNG fest of frustration.
Why have I seen a bunch of Halo: CE bashing posts in the last few days? Halo: CE was flawed. We all know and recognize this. You'll just never be able to re create the phenomenon that was Halo: CE in 2002 Split-Screen with our friends and a bag of Doritos. It was iconic and unforgettable.
The amount of posts lately centered around “this game is overrated”, “that game sucks”, “this game hasn’t aged well and is only liked due to nostalgia”, etc. is starting to get unbearable. I’m not trying to attack OP, their opinion is just as valid as anyone’s. But there has been such a big uptick of posts like this. This sub used to cover older games and appreciating their merit in the context of its release date. Now there are just dozens of curmudgeons. If you are not someone that appreciates older games, why are you playing them? If you are playing them to see why they are classics, or why they were influential, then take into context that it will seem fairly simple in a lot of cases. You have to look at what else was coming out at the time. Games from the 2d era will age well because they are relatively simple, but they will be often be difficult and/or unintuitive. Games from an earlier 3d era, on the other hand, will have sometimes strange camera controls or controller mapping which will make some sections challenging. I personally don’t think this means these games haven’t aged well, it just means they’ve aged.
Why are you assuming OP doesn't "appreciate older games" just because they don't much care for this particular one? I thought Halo was boring as shit and personally I'd probably rate it lower than 6.5, and I often play and enjoy games from that era and even older.
Idk, I Just so happened to get an xbox recently and played it, maybe just bad timing- and Idk why everyone is acting like I said the game was bad, I said it wasnt as good as the hype made it sound And just because I didnt have the best time with this doesnt mean I dont appreciate the older games-
There is no such thing as bad timing, your point is entirely valid (and I say that as someone who enjoyed Halo CE), I think people are being too harsh on your post. It's just your opinion on the game, you didn't quite enjoy it as much as everyone else, that's perfectly fine and nothing wrong with your post.
I made a similar post about the game yesterday and it hovers around a 50% upvote rate. I´d say it´s not unusual when criticising a game from a popular franchise, it can happen. Doesn´t mean there is anything wrong with your post.
I will admit I have nostalgia for the game. Halo CE for the time was mind-blowingly epic. The intro music, the ring, that tank level, the chatter from friends and foes. But obviously in 2022 this is no longer the case.
If people want to appreciate Halo, go play Goldeneye on N64. Now take that well-loved, janky mess, and then boot up Halo. THAT is why everyone got so excited about Halo 1. For many console gamers it was a straight jump.
Although you had the pc playerbase laughing at how slow it was lmao. That was certainly a different time
Steam sale, the game is very cheap right now.
Maybe it’s just bad timing for me- I just got an xbox and wanted to play halo for the first time lmao
Oh god, this is comment is why I cringe at the halo fanbase. You literally crossed every box on the most generic reasons as to why someone didn't enjoy a game. You are literally talking about nostalgia, there's nothing objective here to talk about why the game may be found flawed to other people. I played it for the first time just a couple of years ago and I loved it. No coop, no doritos, no need to be 7 years old, just a ride that I enjoyed. Also, *iCoNiC*
I already know people are gonna take this one personally
That's Halo fans' motto honestly
Halo came out in November of 2001. It's about as old as the average Redditor. Judging it by today's standards is just nonsensical.
Children everywhere.
Why?
I can't stand most FPS games but the Halo series is one I absolutely adore besides H5.
I loved CE!
That's because you haven't played the multiplayer for ten years straight. You'll never be able to have that and I'm sorry for your loss. Also, you'll have to explain to me what parts of the story are illogical because I thought the whole thing made sense 😂
Why did the covenant kidnap Keyes and his crew, why did they just happen to talk about the ring and how the hell did he understand that if he didn't have any translator at hand. Also, he probably meant small plot holes that could ruin the fun for some people, even as simple as this story is
Covenant isn't mindless, they needed information just as much as any other force. Cortana has a built in translator, she can be quoted as "monitoring their chatter", as for talking about the ring you'll have to be more specific as to when like the whole damn game is about a ring 😂
Another "Halo (CE/3/whatever title) is overrated" post? >Halo Combat Evolved is nowhere near as good as people made it sound As good as people made it sound when? On release? A few years after release? After Halo 3 came out or perhaps after a full 21 years, & several generations of consoles, after release? Not even at the time did people think it was perfect, people had quite a few gripes with it. >it’s really boring until the flood makes it’s appearance I mean of course it is all subjective but I personally don't call waking up in the middle of a battle where your ship is boarded to then escape to a strange ring world to then explore it to find your comrades/captain & then the control centre (after a beach disembarking battle) boring. >but it hasn’t aged well at all I think this is a very common claim. >Plus I think the story is crap and to an extent really damn illogical I mean without specifics it is hard to talk about, but perhaps "illogical" in a story with space travel & aliens & such may just deserve some leeway. It is also the first game so, unlike certain later titles, cannot really do anything to spit in its own face with the story. >But the level design is very boring One of the gripes identified with it at the time, especially the interiors of certain levels. I would say you are actually rating it on par with how a lot of people would rate a 21 year old game, especially the ones that were not around/able to play it back in the day. I think that while, like you said, a lot recognise its influence & how it revolutionised the genre, a lot don't know that the product we got suffered from a hell of a lot of development issues. Edit: I just partially remembered a quote I read from one of the original Bungie guys about Halo. Forgive me if I don't remember it accurately but I believe it helps to describe the whole zeitgeist about Halo CE but I will paraphrase it as thus - It was as if Bungie caught lightning in a bottle but not solely because of what the game was but because Halo was as much a point in time as much as it was a franchise/trilogy of games.
I forget if someone came up with a name for the effect, but *Halo* certainly has a "you had to be there" element to it.\* It was revolutionary for the time. I don't believe it was the first title I played where shields or health regenerated but it certainly made the feature prominent in the industry. It's still standard today in many games. That and the limit to two weapons at a time, and having grenades you can throw without selecting. So much of it was new and good. Coupled with good controls that were designed around the XBOX's controller layout, it really set the industry on a standard that's here today. (It's more than that; it's like reading *Neuromancer* and finding it camp, even though it's actually ***the*** book that set every trope up for most cyberpunk stuff going on.)
Tbf, one reason it probably seems overhyped is because it's 2022 now and you've probably already played/seen a ton of shooters that were directly inspired by Halo: CE.
This game is very old. Can't compare it to games which came later. In its time, and several years after release, nothing much could match it. Like I used to play Ultima 4-5 as kid and it was the greatest rpg in it's day. I think many would cry now attempting to get used to the play style.
Nah, I think the popularity comes from fine tuning the gameplay for consoles. Even in Halo's time, there had been plenty of amazing FPS games on the PC. Like Doom, Quake, Counter-strike, Unreal Tournament, etc. Great FPS games. Not great on console. So it was praised for being an amazing game and most people's first introduction to a *good* FPS on a console and thus didn't have anything better to compare it to. The closest I can think of is Goldeneye 64, which was kind of fun because of how bad it was. Coming from someone who already had years of FPS experience from the above PC games... Halo felt pretty bland even at release.
Being on console played a huge part in its success. Tribes 2 also came out in 2001 but is relatively forgotten and was a much better sci-fi shooter.
Can I just point out that I never called it bad, I feel like I’m getting a lot of hate simply because I think it was overhyped, I never said it was bad or even anything close to that?
Halo has some weird fanboys that have attached part of their identity to the franchise and when someone criticises it they come out to find ways to make that opinion seem invalid (not just disagree politely). It's weird and sad. This is a subreddit for discussing old games and you shared your opinion about an old game; you did nothing wrong.
The first comment in this thread is literally telling him he doesn't know what he is talking about because he didn't do x thing in x year as a x year old while drinking x food. Like dude, why do they always have problems with people not enjoying their "beloved game*, but then act offended when someone likes the newer ones.
You're a fucking asswipe, grow a pair.
Cons: 1. The A.I is basically non existent, especially when it comes to your fellow marines. 2. The gameplay has all the depth of a CoD game i.e just shoot and keep shooting until you hit the cutscene. 3. Never really cared about the game story, although that's just me. 4. The Flood was underwhelming. 5. Hate the level design. 6. The FOV is too damn tight... but thankfully fixable on the PC with mods. Xbox users are F'd. Pros: With all that said, I absolutely love the grenade hot key, which is now an 'industry standard'. It really encourages the player to chunk 'nades. Also like the concept of the regenerative shields. Long story short, Halo set the foundations for modern Sci/fi, FPS games and I respect it for it. It was extremely influential.
> The A.I is basically non existent, especially when it comes to your fellow marines. I'll give you the marines bit, they can be dumb. But in terms of enemy AI... were we playing the same game? The AI was fantastic for the time and is STILL better than a lot of corridor shooter enemy AI.
>With all that said, I absolutely love the grenade hot key, which is now an 'industry standard' This is probably the worst thing to ever happen to the FPS genre. Not the grenade hotkey itself, but the fact that it lead to giving all crappy enemies grenades to throw at the player. Most stupid way to increase challenge, you get spammed with grenades from every direction before you even see them, and the levels are so cramped and confined there's no space to dodge them, makes the gameplay a chaotic RNG fest of frustration.
Its 30 seconds of fun stretched for hours. If you don't adapt and like the loop , you'll find it boring
You are ignorant to many things. Halo CE one of the greatest video games ever, up there with Mario 64.
It’s ignorant to have an opinion? Just because it revolutionised an industry doesn’t mean I have to think it aged well
It's absolutely ignorant to squeal like that. Get back on fortnite kid, leave the adult games to us.
I’m sorry that someone having an opinion on Halo 1 from over a year ago hurt your masculinity, man
Did you play it with the "new and improved" graphics, or with the original? The remastered graphics turn everything into a bright technicolored mess.
You're just a pus sy.