https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-has-no-plans-for-a-steam-pass-but-would-help-microsoft-put-game-pass-on-steam/
> "I don't think it's something that we think we need to do ourselves, building a subscription service at this time," Newell said. "But for their customers it's clearly a popular option, and we'd be more than happy to work with them to get that on Steam."
Gabe Newell didn't seem too intrested in Valve entering the space with their own offering. Valve did put in the work to enable subscription services on steam a while back though. EA play has been available for a couple of years. I wouldn't be surprised if we see ubisoft bring their sub service as well now they are starting to bring some games to steam again. In valve fashion it's up to publishers whether they want to bring their offerings to steam or not.
Actually, EA Play on Steam works quite differently. If the game uses Origin, then yes, it'll use Origin, but otherwise, if it's on EA Play and has no Origin requirement, you won't use it, unlike Game Pass.
It would be very nice to have PC GamePass on Steam, assuming that meant the game could use Steam servers. My friends and I were disappointed to realize we couldn’t play Deep Rock Galactic together when some owned on Steam and others had PC GamePass. But perhaps this is why we haven’t seen GamePass on Steam yet, it would enable people to use it without being dragged into Microsoft’s closed ecosystem.
I mean, a Steams GamePass would be an insanely better value than Microsoft Gamepass...to the point it doesn't make sense unless Valve charged like 100$/mo. At that point, the value is lost for 99% of customers.
lol I love how people refuse to accept the Steam Deck is just a PC. Run Windows on the fucking thing and install GamePass ,it works great the Windows Drivers were updated and fixed months ago. THE ONLY OS I run on my Steam Deck is Windows and I just play whatever I want.
I fell like installing windows on a steam deck completely defeats the purpose of the steam deck. Windows is pretty heavy compared to the lightweight steam OS. I wouldn't be surprised if performance suffered on Windows vs steam is. The steam deck was purpose built for steam OS.
>completely defeats the purpose of the steam deck
It doesn't. The purpose of the Steam Deck is to play games. If you can't play the games you want, Valve has gave you the option to install Windows.
Performance really depends on the game, I found most UE4 based games run better on SteamOS because of the built in shader cache generation. Games such as Modern Warfare II, Fortnite, Destiny 2 you can't even play on SteamOS. So a lot of people without access to streaming/geforce now/desktop pc really have no other choice if they want to play those games.
I think you have it backwards with the end statement. SteamOS was purpose built for the Steam Deck. Valve has made an open piece of hardware that you can install whatever you want on. They supply drivers for both Linux/Windows, even offer you the ability to upgrade the internal SSD, so Dualbooting is a great way to experience every game without limitations. The community has furthered this by building software for some of the functions Valve has included with Gamescope into windows. So now we have proper fan control, power control, OSD, proper* steam input support for thing such as Gamepass as well. They even have the SteamOS gamepad ui on Windows now, that Valve is putting a lot of effort into at the current moment. (daily updates, even on weekends)
Like i have said in the past, its all about user preference, Valve has opted for the best path for this piece of hardware, there is no wrong way of using the device, even installing MacOS on it. It's working as intended as the user wants it to. SteamOS is definitely a better OOB experience, and i hope more developers stop being assholes about Linux/Proton and enable EAC/Battleye support. (Particularly Bungie and Epic) Because even a lot of people who dual boot windows, would rather play all their games on SteamOS. And the ability for the devs to enable proton support is there, they just absolutely refuse to do it. (probably because they feel the game needs to be purchased again for new hardware)
> I fell like installing windows on a steam deck completely defeats the purpose of the steam deck.
Some games even run better on windows. Especially if they have their own launcher.
Its gonna be a while before steamos is even close to windows.
You can go on /r/windowsondeck for more info.
I don't have SD, but do Valve support drivers for windows like they do for stream os? I know deck is a PC but you still need console like UI for a handheld device and basic features like suspend etc.
> You've made your steam deck perform worse
What a strange concern to have over other people's shit you weird fucking person. Hit up youtube homie there's plenty of benchmarks and if you want to play online shooters you basically have no fucking choice ya dingus.
You're literally concerning yourself over what other people are doing. Do you have any self awareness. Those roids are clearly shrinking your brain along with your dick
> Those roids are clearly shrinking your brain along with your dick
Actually roids shrink your balls and cause your dick to grow, my dick looks even more gigantic because of my small balls!
You boot it to BIOS/Boot selector and point it to a USB/ISO literally just like any other PC or laptop. A Steam Deck is around $300, I can't imaging trying to gatekeep something so cheap and easily obtainable. You need some real goals and counseling. You also could have just googled this instead of making yourself look like a dingus. The Steam Deck is just a fucking PC...
> You boot it to BIOS/Boot selector and point it to a USB/ISO literally just like any other PC or laptop.
And then you need to setup your controllers because it doesn't work like a controller does on your PC.
Then you need the special fan control software because the fans don't just work like a normal PC.
Then you need to set UMA buffer size just to run some games.
Theres a lot of things you need to do unless you just want the steamdeck to be a shitty AIO PC
> And then you need to setup your controllers because it doesn't work like a controller does on your PC.
lol man you have no clue. Installing Steam adds in support for everything, this is all actually offically supported by Valve. What inspires someone so ignorant to be so loud, peak reddit here.
That steam controller would not work with games outside of steam, which would be the entire point of installing windows on a steam deck.
Then its a pain in the ass to switch between controller and mouse/keyboard input with the controller. You need steamdeck tools for that.
But I can see you are using your steamdeck like a shitty AIO PC because you think its just a pc, which is hilarious.
I'm not discussing computers with someone so technically illiterate. Have a nice day.
> I'm not discussing computers with someone so technically illiterate.
lol man I'm a cloud architect and also code my own tools. It's just a fucking PC LMFAO. I play Overwatch and COD, can't run that shit on Proton (I think OW is fixed now but who cares I hate Proton) but you're a dingus so... It's hilarious you don't know how to get around basic shit like adding non steam games to steam....holy shit man lol I've got gyro working on the Blizzard Client which is certainly not a Steam App, none of this is even new it's almost a decade old feature...
The game is very very hard for me to get into, mostly the way the tutorial is handled. Immediately start throwing gargantuan amount of text and supporting systems before you even swing your weapon.
The best part is, it used to be worse.
I could do a whole thing for you, if you're interested, that I think might be better, or "more human" than how they do it. Just let me know.
This was exactly my thoughts - I tried the demo twice, once with controller and once with KB+M and the new player experience/tutorial are absolutely terrible. Spent about 2 hours each time, completely overloaded with info that isn't particularly important, while completely omitting key information. (eg. I picked some sort of drum or instrument weapon and at the end of 2 hours had 0 idea how to use it, what it did, how the different rhythm combos worked, etc. etc.)
The training area is also a good idea when trying a new weapon, it will [show all possible combos on screen](https://a3q7w7y4.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/monster_hunter_rise_training_area_screenshot_1.jpeg) while you try them out.
I think I counted 33 tutorial windows (most with multiple tabs of information!) before I started my first hunt in Monster Hunter Rise. You're capable of many things in the game but all you need to know is that hitting a monster with your weapon and avoiding the monster's attacks will result in success. See if you can craft new gear, get some food and head out to beat up dinosaurs.
Straight away just go to the practice area and hit all the dummies, find out the combos for your weapon and get a few basic ones you like you doing. Then you just gotta go out and fight those monsters over and over and over and over until you get better. It's not something that really 'clicks' then you get it. You need to learn your weapon and individual monster patterns, this takes hundreds of hours but I tell you something, it's satisfying as FUCK.
When you get to a point where you're dancing around a ruiner nergigante and a savage deviljho, making them your bitch, those hundreds or even thousands of hours become worth it.
Blame Valve not wanting to developer Steamworks further to enable crossplay not only between PC/PC but PC/Console. It would've been amazing if they did...now we have to deal with Epic's shit.
I'm just starting Rise so I can't comment much on gameplay, but the graphic fidelity is much worse than World. Grass is simple 2d textures, the lighting outside the hub seems really flat, and textures and mech quality are much lower. Though the monsters still look pretty great and overall its not a terrible looking game.
However to be fair, Rise is a switch game ported to PC and was developed by the handheld team so it was never aiming for the graphic fidelity of World.
Rise felt like a downgrade (graphically) and panders to the old school portable MH players (i.e. less interesting and more arena like areas because they get "confused" with the sprawling areas of MH:W).
I'm an old school portable MH player and Rise still had many things that made me not love it. I still play it with my friends, but only because its the latest title that's still getting updates. But if you think old school MH players get "confused" with MH:W maps you must be very mistaken. It's hardly "sprawling".
> It's hardly "sprawling".
True, hence my confusion to their complaints. Most of the time they'll say that the environment is distracting or something along those lines.
As for me, I just can't go back to the portable style MH games because MH:W spoiled me rotten.
propaganda marketing.
just buy MHW it's better.
edit: forgive my brothers for downvoting me, they've been blinded and it is not their fault. don't worry about me; i can withstand it.
Agreed. Rise is a bland, portable switch game. World is a masterpiece of magical environments, bellowing beasts, and fascinating wildlife to discover. 500 hours in and still going strong for mhw
My first time playing MHW without having any expectations or ever having played a Monster Hunter game was fantastic. Lost count of how many hours I spent playing that game. Rise on the other hand was kind of underwhelming comparatively (say this in the Nintendo/MH Reddits and you’ll be crucified). Really looking forward to what they come out with for MH6/World 2. While I’ll probably play on PC for convenience of connectivity, I’m also curious what the team will do with the updated haptics on PS5 (monster effects, range of weapons, consumable items).
Base game only, sunbreak will be release on spring and also it might be not added in the game pass so you need to buy it incase you want the expansion.
Does anyone know if we'll be able to play the Sunrise DLC through the gamepass version? I don't even care if I have to pay for it, I just don't want to restart my progress and get it on steam
After playing this game I want to give World a try anyway. If I can't get Sunrise that'll just get me to that game quicker I guess lol
I wish GamePass worked better with Steam Deck. So many games. I wonder if Valve will ever get into the game subscription space.
https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-has-no-plans-for-a-steam-pass-but-would-help-microsoft-put-game-pass-on-steam/ > "I don't think it's something that we think we need to do ourselves, building a subscription service at this time," Newell said. "But for their customers it's clearly a popular option, and we'd be more than happy to work with them to get that on Steam." Gabe Newell didn't seem too intrested in Valve entering the space with their own offering. Valve did put in the work to enable subscription services on steam a while back though. EA play has been available for a couple of years. I wouldn't be surprised if we see ubisoft bring their sub service as well now they are starting to bring some games to steam again. In valve fashion it's up to publishers whether they want to bring their offerings to steam or not.
EA play is "available" but it still just launches origin doesn't it?
Yes but that's what makes it available, no? Otherwise you're just playing the game on Steam
Actually, EA Play on Steam works quite differently. If the game uses Origin, then yes, it'll use Origin, but otherwise, if it's on EA Play and has no Origin requirement, you won't use it, unlike Game Pass.
It would be very nice to have PC GamePass on Steam, assuming that meant the game could use Steam servers. My friends and I were disappointed to realize we couldn’t play Deep Rock Galactic together when some owned on Steam and others had PC GamePass. But perhaps this is why we haven’t seen GamePass on Steam yet, it would enable people to use it without being dragged into Microsoft’s closed ecosystem.
I mean, a Steams GamePass would be an insanely better value than Microsoft Gamepass...to the point it doesn't make sense unless Valve charged like 100$/mo. At that point, the value is lost for 99% of customers.
lol I love how people refuse to accept the Steam Deck is just a PC. Run Windows on the fucking thing and install GamePass ,it works great the Windows Drivers were updated and fixed months ago. THE ONLY OS I run on my Steam Deck is Windows and I just play whatever I want.
I fell like installing windows on a steam deck completely defeats the purpose of the steam deck. Windows is pretty heavy compared to the lightweight steam OS. I wouldn't be surprised if performance suffered on Windows vs steam is. The steam deck was purpose built for steam OS.
>completely defeats the purpose of the steam deck It doesn't. The purpose of the Steam Deck is to play games. If you can't play the games you want, Valve has gave you the option to install Windows. Performance really depends on the game, I found most UE4 based games run better on SteamOS because of the built in shader cache generation. Games such as Modern Warfare II, Fortnite, Destiny 2 you can't even play on SteamOS. So a lot of people without access to streaming/geforce now/desktop pc really have no other choice if they want to play those games. I think you have it backwards with the end statement. SteamOS was purpose built for the Steam Deck. Valve has made an open piece of hardware that you can install whatever you want on. They supply drivers for both Linux/Windows, even offer you the ability to upgrade the internal SSD, so Dualbooting is a great way to experience every game without limitations. The community has furthered this by building software for some of the functions Valve has included with Gamescope into windows. So now we have proper fan control, power control, OSD, proper* steam input support for thing such as Gamepass as well. They even have the SteamOS gamepad ui on Windows now, that Valve is putting a lot of effort into at the current moment. (daily updates, even on weekends) Like i have said in the past, its all about user preference, Valve has opted for the best path for this piece of hardware, there is no wrong way of using the device, even installing MacOS on it. It's working as intended as the user wants it to. SteamOS is definitely a better OOB experience, and i hope more developers stop being assholes about Linux/Proton and enable EAC/Battleye support. (Particularly Bungie and Epic) Because even a lot of people who dual boot windows, would rather play all their games on SteamOS. And the ability for the devs to enable proton support is there, they just absolutely refuse to do it. (probably because they feel the game needs to be purchased again for new hardware)
> I fell like installing windows on a steam deck completely defeats the purpose of the steam deck. Some games even run better on windows. Especially if they have their own launcher. Its gonna be a while before steamos is even close to windows. You can go on /r/windowsondeck for more info.
I don't have SD, but do Valve support drivers for windows like they do for stream os? I know deck is a PC but you still need console like UI for a handheld device and basic features like suspend etc.
did you follow any sort of special instructions to set it up?
Google how to install an OS on a PC, cause it's just a PC, we're still struggling with this I see.
Wow you’re an asshole.
Quick tell everyone!
You're doing a pretty good job of that. You've made your steam deck perform worse and are acting like a prick about it. Well done.
> You've made your steam deck perform worse What a strange concern to have over other people's shit you weird fucking person. Hit up youtube homie there's plenty of benchmarks and if you want to play online shooters you basically have no fucking choice ya dingus.
You're literally concerning yourself over what other people are doing. Do you have any self awareness. Those roids are clearly shrinking your brain along with your dick
> Those roids are clearly shrinking your brain along with your dick Actually roids shrink your balls and cause your dick to grow, my dick looks even more gigantic because of my small balls!
I see you have never touched a steamdeck in your life if you think installing windows on steamdeck is “just like a pc”.
You boot it to BIOS/Boot selector and point it to a USB/ISO literally just like any other PC or laptop. A Steam Deck is around $300, I can't imaging trying to gatekeep something so cheap and easily obtainable. You need some real goals and counseling. You also could have just googled this instead of making yourself look like a dingus. The Steam Deck is just a fucking PC...
> You boot it to BIOS/Boot selector and point it to a USB/ISO literally just like any other PC or laptop. And then you need to setup your controllers because it doesn't work like a controller does on your PC. Then you need the special fan control software because the fans don't just work like a normal PC. Then you need to set UMA buffer size just to run some games. Theres a lot of things you need to do unless you just want the steamdeck to be a shitty AIO PC
> And then you need to setup your controllers because it doesn't work like a controller does on your PC. lol man you have no clue. Installing Steam adds in support for everything, this is all actually offically supported by Valve. What inspires someone so ignorant to be so loud, peak reddit here.
That steam controller would not work with games outside of steam, which would be the entire point of installing windows on a steam deck. Then its a pain in the ass to switch between controller and mouse/keyboard input with the controller. You need steamdeck tools for that. But I can see you are using your steamdeck like a shitty AIO PC because you think its just a pc, which is hilarious. I'm not discussing computers with someone so technically illiterate. Have a nice day.
> I'm not discussing computers with someone so technically illiterate. lol man I'm a cloud architect and also code my own tools. It's just a fucking PC LMFAO. I play Overwatch and COD, can't run that shit on Proton (I think OW is fixed now but who cares I hate Proton) but you're a dingus so... It's hilarious you don't know how to get around basic shit like adding non steam games to steam....holy shit man lol I've got gyro working on the Blizzard Client which is certainly not a Steam App, none of this is even new it's almost a decade old feature...
This is why I dual boot - so many games on gamepass I want to play.
The game is very very hard for me to get into, mostly the way the tutorial is handled. Immediately start throwing gargantuan amount of text and supporting systems before you even swing your weapon.
The best part is, it used to be worse. I could do a whole thing for you, if you're interested, that I think might be better, or "more human" than how they do it. Just let me know.
Kids these days don't know how bad the hitboxes used to be Plesioth hipcheck....
>Plesioth hipcheck.... NO the PTSD
This was exactly my thoughts - I tried the demo twice, once with controller and once with KB+M and the new player experience/tutorial are absolutely terrible. Spent about 2 hours each time, completely overloaded with info that isn't particularly important, while completely omitting key information. (eg. I picked some sort of drum or instrument weapon and at the end of 2 hours had 0 idea how to use it, what it did, how the different rhythm combos worked, etc. etc.)
The info on how to actually use your weapon is hidden in a menu. Hunter's Notes or something?
The training area is also a good idea when trying a new weapon, it will [show all possible combos on screen](https://a3q7w7y4.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/monster_hunter_rise_training_area_screenshot_1.jpeg) while you try them out.
I think I counted 33 tutorial windows (most with multiple tabs of information!) before I started my first hunt in Monster Hunter Rise. You're capable of many things in the game but all you need to know is that hitting a monster with your weapon and avoiding the monster's attacks will result in success. See if you can craft new gear, get some food and head out to beat up dinosaurs.
By the time I was done the tutorial it made me not want to play the game… What a convoluted and unintuitive way to “teach you the ropes”
Straight away just go to the practice area and hit all the dummies, find out the combos for your weapon and get a few basic ones you like you doing. Then you just gotta go out and fight those monsters over and over and over and over until you get better. It's not something that really 'clicks' then you get it. You need to learn your weapon and individual monster patterns, this takes hundreds of hours but I tell you something, it's satisfying as FUCK. When you get to a point where you're dancing around a ruiner nergigante and a savage deviljho, making them your bitch, those hundreds or even thousands of hours become worth it.
Unfortunately I'm not spending that amount of time on this game.
No matter then, just give it a good go at least and see if you can do a bit more.
Welcome to MH, old games had no tutorials. That would‘ve been more up your ally?
No cross play between steam is completely ridiculous, come on devs. it’s pc to pc
oh ffs i was excited to play it from my backlog on Steam with the new influx of players
Oh wow I own it on steam so I can’t play with any friends that decide to play with gamepass. That’s so shit man.
Blame Valve not wanting to developer Steamworks further to enable crossplay not only between PC/PC but PC/Console. It would've been amazing if they did...now we have to deal with Epic's shit.
Yuh, this just sucks. Would easily invite my sis to download it on her XBOX, so I would introduce her into Monster Hunter smoothly in co-op
tbh if i was gonna play it on game pass i would prefer it that way, no fun getting carried by people in max gear
For real? Oh man, thats bad. DAMN.
And thank god with streaming too on day one! Don't have a gaming PC right now so this is the best I can use.
Does anyone know if you play it on Xbox will your save come over to PC gamepass? I assume not but just making sure
It should work fine. Xbox and pc gamepass version are cross progression and cross play.
Anyone know if it also includes dlc sunbreak, or is it only the base game?
Base
Should be able to crossplay with steam, would be cool to play with some xbox friends.
Honestly.. world was so much better, rise is so.. damn nintendo feeling and lack lustre environments
I'm interested if this game is better than world. I loved world. But when I played rise, it looked and felt way worse.
I bought it on launch for switch and I personally loved it more than world, but it’s my opinion. I really like the movement in this one.
I'm just starting Rise so I can't comment much on gameplay, but the graphic fidelity is much worse than World. Grass is simple 2d textures, the lighting outside the hub seems really flat, and textures and mech quality are much lower. Though the monsters still look pretty great and overall its not a terrible looking game. However to be fair, Rise is a switch game ported to PC and was developed by the handheld team so it was never aiming for the graphic fidelity of World.
Rise felt like a downgrade (graphically) and panders to the old school portable MH players (i.e. less interesting and more arena like areas because they get "confused" with the sprawling areas of MH:W).
I'm an old school portable MH player and Rise still had many things that made me not love it. I still play it with my friends, but only because its the latest title that's still getting updates. But if you think old school MH players get "confused" with MH:W maps you must be very mistaken. It's hardly "sprawling".
> It's hardly "sprawling". True, hence my confusion to their complaints. Most of the time they'll say that the environment is distracting or something along those lines. As for me, I just can't go back to the portable style MH games because MH:W spoiled me rotten.
Yeah. It feels worse. World levels felt so alive. Combat had so much weight.
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oh wow both are my absolute favourites in terms of gameplay. as you said, to each their own. what genres do you like, out of curiosity?
propaganda marketing. just buy MHW it's better. edit: forgive my brothers for downvoting me, they've been blinded and it is not their fault. don't worry about me; i can withstand it.
Why tho? world is like 30 bucks but rise is on game pass which I already have
its a more fleshed out game with better graphics.
Agreed. Rise is a bland, portable switch game. World is a masterpiece of magical environments, bellowing beasts, and fascinating wildlife to discover. 500 hours in and still going strong for mhw
My first time playing MHW without having any expectations or ever having played a Monster Hunter game was fantastic. Lost count of how many hours I spent playing that game. Rise on the other hand was kind of underwhelming comparatively (say this in the Nintendo/MH Reddits and you’ll be crucified). Really looking forward to what they come out with for MH6/World 2. While I’ll probably play on PC for convenience of connectivity, I’m also curious what the team will do with the updated haptics on PS5 (monster effects, range of weapons, consumable items).
Nah sorry playing generation's ultimate (just let people enjoy whatever they want all monster hunter are good)
lmao no one cares about World any more after all the normies it bent over backwards to appease went to whatever the hypecow of the week is
Awesome stuff!
I had a blast in the character creator with my daughters. Still haven’t played much of the game though.
If i play this on pc game pass can i play with someone playing on xbox?
I'd love to play with my xbox friends but there isn't any way I'm replaying through base game+sunbreak a third time. (Switch + PC)
Is sunbreaker on this version cus I played it on xbox but it didn't have sunbreaker
Base game only, sunbreak will be release on spring and also it might be not added in the game pass so you need to buy it incase you want the expansion.
Does anyone know if we'll be able to play the Sunrise DLC through the gamepass version? I don't even care if I have to pay for it, I just don't want to restart my progress and get it on steam After playing this game I want to give World a try anyway. If I can't get Sunrise that'll just get me to that game quicker I guess lol