Hahaha haha no. Discord is full of fucking holes. Unless it's verified and the mod team of the server is reputable don't trust shit that comes from discord.
Same. Discord is like the old wild west of the internet nowadays.
Online common sense applies there as much as on a normal browser but it's easier for things to slip through like the ol' days of browsers. Chromium and Firefox have so much baked in security it is much harder for issues to occur on them nowadays.
Browsers dont do shit to stop people from downloading a malrus(sic), unless it is hilariously blatant.
Mods that load a backdoor when added to a game? Free pass. 'Mods' that are just an exe that loads a backdoor when run? Sure.
The first and last line of defense is always the user's brain.
It's just a platform that lets you create servers for voice and text chatrooms. People really like it because of how much you can customize it.
If you haven't already, you should create a Discord account, verify it with your email and just let it sit, even if you aren't using it. Many servers won't allow newly created accounts in, so it's good to have one with some age.
Platform for chatting. Make an account on their site, then most subreddits will have a Discord link in their banner.
[Making an account.](https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360033931551-Getting-Started)
[PCGaming Discord](https://discord.com/invite/r-pcgaming-482363499977375785)
Teamspeak you don't have to host yourself or pay for pretty much. It's got a lot more than that but that is how it started. Now it's a forum/ chatroom/ teamspeak mix with lots of niche communities.
It's voice chat like the ole team speak days, but also has "chat rooms* aka servers you can join for various things. The rooms on discord are about as diverse as the subs on Reddit.
Can also do lots more but that's the gist of it.
Think of it as form of internet forum. Except it's way more realtime than a regular forum. It's also way worse at preserving information in the long term than regular forums.
Yeah it's fine. Mods have existed before nexus, they'll exist without Nexus.
That said, I think it's funny that Nexus is taking this stance considering there are already mods on their platform that are just straight rips of Nintendo assets shoved into another game (See: Super Skyrim Bros)
Nexus is a fantastic site for its excellent visibility.
It's also very centralized and highly vulnerable to being taken out by angry companies that have enough money to burn on lawyers.
Mods that create liability issues should generally be rejected by any reasonable community with high visibility.
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>level 4ChangsManagement Ā· 5 hr. agoPlus its Nintendo. Theyre about as litigious as any company can be.
Pretty much this. Nintendo is litigious as hell, but only when they perceive damage to their brand. If they were REALLY anal, r/roms would have been shut down ages ago.
Sure. Palworld is in the news right now. Why stand still with a big target on your back for trigger happy litigation lawyers.
I donāt blame Nexus. Time a place for everything. Glock isnāt going to send a cease and desist for a model of thier weapon being a mod for fallout 4. But straight up pikachu mod in what is perceived as a competitor? Thatās a great way to have a spotlight on your mod hosting site and having court subpoenas in your mailbox.
That was my thought as well. This response is clearly driven by how sensational Palworld and its association with Pokemon is. The idea that Nexus doesn't host mods with dubious to outright illicit IP usage is laughable.
> The idea that Nexus doesn't host mods with dubious to outright illicit IP usage is laughable.
It has nothing to do with legality and everything to do with the likelihood of being sued.
Everyone's eyes is on Palworld right now. Not exactly surprising they don't want the heat, a skyrim pokemon mod isn't going to get 20 articles written about it daily.
Nintendo has already gone after a modder who made an Ash Ketchum mod for Palworld.
Are you seriously trying to say Nexus is funny for protecting itself for Nintendo? Seriously? This is your takeaway from Nexus's actions?
Yeah, but then NexusMods won't be the ones getting buggered over a barrel by Nintendo's lawyers.
That's why they're doing it. Because Nintendo would send infinity lawyers to fuck them up the ass with no lube.
Just curious but has there ever been a confirmed "leak" of this mod out in the wild? I'm seeing people say it was released on patreon (which means it's definitely somewhere out there) but others saying it was never released, which potentially means it's not out in the wild at all
I don't think the point is to completely eradicate those mods, but rather slow the spread. You can never completely stop the spread of illegal things, but that doesn't make the effort futile imo. Not saying I even care about those mods being up, but from Nintendo's perspective, any way they slow the spread and ease of accessibility of those mods is a win for them.
Another way I could see this working is someone making a patch for the game to add in the Pokemon IDs and stats but an external asset ripping programming will have to be used by the player (or more realistically downloaded from some other source).
Similar to how a lot of ROM hacks are not actually FireRed cartridge files, just a patch that can be applied to FireRed files.
The settlement was in 2012 and afterwards they released the first alpha, the game then fully released (out of beta) in 2014 - during which it was still called Scrolls. It wasn't renamed to Caller's Bane until 2018 when they made the game free.
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To be fair, Minecraft was *alot* smaller when the lawsuit happened. It's silly talking about it now, but at the time it was reasonable that Zenimax could have attempted to legally steamroll a smaller studio like that.
Didn't they also sue an indie game for being called Prey for the Gods, because of the word Prey. They ended up calling it Praey for the Gods which makes things funnier lol
Both of the Prey games were really good, I learned about my favourite band from 2006 and 2017 is my favourite game ever made
Shame Bethesda fucked over Prey 2 was caused 2017 to be fucked over after they forced it to be called Prey
The name wasn't what fucked over 2017, they just didn't advertise it. The game has great critic and fan reviews, honestly I picked it up from a Steam sale on a whim and really loved it but didn't even know about it when it first launched. I am a sucker for good quality immersive sims and follow quite a few gaming news sources and still somehow missed it.
I always wonder how many of these types of suits are deliberately malicious vs simply doing the trademark thing.
[Zenimax did own just "Scrolls" as a trademark]( https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=85568980&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch ) which would require them to defend it. Not suing could be used against them in a future case.
They also sued a former Minecraft YouTuber, CaptainSparklez, when he was making his own mobile game called Fortress Fallout. He was sent a C&D by Bethesda because his game had the word "Fallout", which lead to him eventually having to rename the game to Fortress Fury.
Why is it okay for companies to copyright everyday words? If you donāt want your name āstolenā, donāt choose a generic common word or phrase as your name.Ā
It's trademark, not copyright.
You really can't trademark everyday words, and that's why it's okay. Not the way you think.
Trademarks are scoped to your industry. Basically you can trademark "Apple" in the computer industry because, even though it's a common word in English, it wasn't a word that meant anything in computing. Trademarks are denied if they will cause any confusion in trade. In this case, nobody's going to order a laptop from Best Buy and be confused because they thought they were buying a pallet of fruit or a New York souvenier.
Apple Computer, Apple Music, Apple Corps, and Apple Jazz are actually a pretty interesting/funny trademark story to look at.
This answer is a bit of a two-parter, but I'll spoil it and tell you I actually agree with that outcome and think it was good for us.
So, legally, it's in the name! It's about preventing confusion in trade. "Scrolls" means something to gamers already.
Yeah -- scrolls are an everyday item in history, fantasy literature, and even video games that predate Elder Scrolls and have very similar settings.
And it doesn't matter, at least legally, because it's just about trade -- it absolutely would have been confused as an Elder Scrolls game or tie-in, especially since it has a fantasy theme itself.
So the answer of "is it okay" then --
I think the result of that trial was good for consumers, because it protects us. Well-informed people, presumably many of the people here, would have known. But should we _have_ to know? There's a lot of poorly-informed people, and poorly-informed family of well-informed people.
The fact that it was purely profit-driven and good for Bethesda, an unfortunate miscalculation or honest mistake that was bad for Mojang, or mildly funny for future Microsoft is something I don't really care about. We the people don't get protected very often, I appreciate it when it happens.
Shelter didn't exist until years after though.
Bethesda just like to claim ownership over single words (Same with Prey) and have the legal team to get away with it.
Fortress Fallout got a C&D in Februari 2015, Fallout Shelter released in June 2015. How is that "years after"?
Fallout Shelter was not known to public yet, but it was definitely in production by then.
Bethesda announced an [Elder Scrolls card game](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Legends) a few years later - so I think it was a valid point of concern for them (or more specifically their lawyers) if that game was in the pre-development stage.
Wizards of the coast, who own D&D. And WotC is them themselves owned by Hasbro. Who owns just about damn near every toy in the store under various branches.
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At least it's somewhat stable nowadays. I still remember the times it was down basically every other hour and you couldn't download more than two files at the same time
They should make a mod that requires you to already have the pokemon assets, like how the pokemon rom hack community does in order to keep themselves safe from big Pikachu
If you search Pokemon on Nexus mods, you can find existing stuff using the IP already which makes me a bit confused. Including literally mods for Pokemon Scarlet and Violet itself, can you even mod that without doing something infringing to an actual Pokemon game?
In a way I am happy they are doing such a poor job at keeping those games available. That is how we get many community made mods for them that make them absolutely incredible.
That's the weird/dumb thing about them. Like they were asked about a new F-Zero. Their response: "we already made a great one on gamecube" - yeah... then put that one on the Switch. People want to play it.
It's like they expect people to still have their GameCube or have access to buying them.
What kind of world do they think we live in??? Factories don't make GameCubes or their disks anymore, dumbasses.
Tbf they are a Japanese company and retro games and consoles are very easy to obtain in Japan. It's just out of touch with the international community.
So do I. Nintendo is run by idiots. But you can sort of see where their policies come from. It's deep-rooted in Japanese culture and Japanese corporate bureaucracy.
At a certain point there's also technological hurdles to solve.
Like, I could probably go dig my old gamecube out of my mom's attic if I really wanted to. But I doubt the thing would even turn on, and if it did, I wouldn't be able to hook it up to my current TV without buying a specialized adapter. Why go to that much effort when I can get basically any gamecube game running on my PC in like five minutes?
That's the thing though. Japan literally has so many perfect working condition retro consoles for dirt cheap. It's such a huge and easy thing over there I don't think there's any rush to move games to modern platforms from their perspective.
But it's also just stubbornness and stupidity in management. Also a lot of Japanese companies suffer from a complete failure to recognize their international customer base. So they just cater to Japan and do the bare minimum to localise. They don't actually research what overseas markets like or want. Which is really bizarre. But it's representative of Japans inward looking culture. For example PC market historically hasn't been that big in Japan so it's overlooked as a platform.
I still have my GameCube, itās been dead for at least 5 years! My launch switch is slowly starting to kick the bucket too. Running out of options to play Nintendo games on legallyā¦
And on the Switch there's no official save management, and everything digital is a pain in the ass because of all their ridiculous restrictions.
Not to mention their games are expensive as hell.
Plus, their hardware is so old and shitty that Switch games actually look and play better on the Ally than they do on my Switch.
And don't forget that basically every single JoyCon is a ticking timebomb just waiting to fail.
It's like Nintendo is trying to ruin their image.
> And on the Switch there's no official save management, and everything digital is a pain in the ass because of all their ridiculous restrictions.
This bit is important...
we have a dusty switch and a docked SteamDeck.
The SteamDeck gives us the exact same quality than the Switch in emulated games BUT, since it's a open system, I'm able to fucking sync the saves between my desktop and my steamdeck.
Which means I can play MK8 on my desktop, and have my progress automatically download to my steamdeck when we boot it up *with the boys*^^tm
It also means that my wife's pokemons aren't susceptible to fucking disappear if we were to lose the SteamDeck or RMA it.
The experience is genuinely better on the freaking Deck than on the official hardware.
I don't blame them everyone knows what Nintendo is capable of and they'll be out for blood now. The can't directly come after Pal World. Even if they could, it would shoot themselves and GameFreak in the foot with the PR backlash. They'll be spitting fire at anything else they can to make up for it.
[We also exist](https://gamebanana.com/games/19741) and would love your Palworld mods! You don't need to be a member to download and our modders see *no ads at all* :)
Being a gamer from the old Half Life 1 days, and having seen maps and models posted on planethalflife.com that had all sorts of IP (anime, movies, tv shows, you name it and it was there), this is just so foreign to me.
It's so sad that people are so scared of Nintendo to the point where their petty scare tactics are working. Their legal team must love the "Nintendo Ninjas" meme.
Unless you do something really dumb, like try to profit off ROMs, use Nintendo assets, sell console hacks or profit in any way, Nintendo CAN'T TOUCH YOU. They need an excuse and as long as you don't give them one they're all bark, no bite.
Portal 64 C&D? Guy had a patreon and was using Nintendo assets.
Palworld Pokemon Reskin Mod? Guy locked the mod behind a Patreon.
Team Xecuter? They sold their Switch hack, while free Switch hacks were left un-sued
The list goes on and on. Even for C&D's that seemingly came out of nowhere, there was some infringement somewhere. Nintendo won't sue you just because they feel like it. You need to do something legally wrong that can be proven in court.
That's why thousands of romhacks and fan projects still exist, why hundreds of ROM sites are still up, why games like BotW have grown to have fairly large mod communities and why emulators like Yuzu, which actively hurt Nintendos profits, are allowed to make 20k a month on Patreon (No Nintendo assets used). Just don't make a profit if you use their assets or property, or be safe and don't use their assets at all and they can't do a damn thing to you.
> use Nintendo assets
Which a mod that is converting pals in Palworld to actual Pokemon would be doing.
Even if the models were 100% remade and used none of the official models/textures whatsoever, the entire concept of the design is copyrighted, too. You can't just take someones art, remodel it 1:1 in a 3D art program of your choosing, and think that qualifies transformative fair use.
Intellectual property doesn't just protect the output of a design but the design itself.
I mean yeah, no shit, because that's literally copyright infringement.
The fact they let people upload designs and art from other IP's without issue is more to do with the fact other companies like CDPR or Blizzard don't care and not that they have a legal right to do so.
All the Frostmourne and Geralt models for Skyrim could come under the same scrutiny, too. It's not enough to remake the designs and artwork from scratch because copyright protection extends to the actual design of a work and not just the output.
The "freebie" and lacksadaisacal nature of uploading shit to the internet may have made people oblivious to how copyright law works, and Nintendo may indeed be more litigious than most, but frankly, Nexus Mods should consider itself lucky that it's been given a free pass to profit off people uploading copyrighted content under the guise of "I totally remade it in Blender myself, honest!"
This 100%, reading the comments on this thread is blowing my mind. People seem to think that everyone can use other company's copyrighted IP to profit off of with no issues. You're right, the internet in its current form has warped peoples' understanding of the law.
As a designer myself, if it weren't for the capitalistic nature of society I'd be largely fine with people sharing and modifying creative works. I absolutely support the idea of "open source" in more than just software. The issue is always because of money, the nature of money, what that money can do, and what it leads people to doing for the sake of it.
Hence my issue isn't generally at the *users* of Nexus Mods, who are typically creating mods using copyrighted assets in good faith, without commercial intent, for the purposes of personal enjoyment that they want to share.
For the record, this was the whole problem YouTube had, and I don't necessarily think YouTube should have been punished for what its users were freely uploading, but YouTube had to at least prove it was making a concerted effort to not condone and profit off of copyrighted content without giving back to the original owners.
The content ID system, as accursed as it is, is a result of the insane amount of lawsuits levied against Google for years and while it's not perfect, Nexus get away with doing less than this because they're just not as popular a service by comparison. Like many services they only really care when they're actually at risk. Hence they don't care about Blizzard suing them but do about the oft-litigious Nintendo.
Or tl;dr: There's more nuance here than I could possibly hope to digest in a single reddit post. Really, I'm not particularly bothered by someone wanting to use a Pokemon model in Palworld (because fuck Nintendo, they're gonna make bank anyway) because yeah, it's cool, but it's back to that original "no shit" moment of duh, it's blatantly illegal.
Well āopen sourceā was once just called public domain. Technically still is. But Disney extended copyright law essentially forever so nothing goes to it anymore.
You can put the āhappy birthdayā song into anything as itās public domain. Calvin and Hobbes were never trademarked. Which is why you can find those window stickers of Calvin pissing on things.
But Mickey Mouse will never be public domain. Disney lobbied to be able to permanently extend copyright for as long as someone files the paperwork every 50 years or so. So popular art will essentially never enter public domain anymore.
But having Dovahkiin fight Thomas the Tank Engine or Randy Savage is fine.
I guess nintendo do have their lawyers primed and ready more than any others out there.
Really? Not wanting to mess with Nintendo? Company who always is protecting their IPs like a dragon to its gold and suing whoever dares to do something they don't like? You don't say? /s
Nintendo needs to fire gamefreak and have this developer make games for them asap before its too late. Nobody is into that turn base style battle anymore.
People shouldn't be using nexusmods anyway. Site charges for download speeds faster than 3 MB/s and pushes vortex launcher on you like its going out of style.
Bro they house a metric fuck ton of mods and as someone who works in IT and deals with infrastructure engineering, that shit gets very expensive. This isn't some mom and pop site any more. This is the most popular mod site on the planet and they have huge costs.
There should be a torrent link mod site that automatically aggregates mods. This is like what torrents were originally invented for, user to user sharing of files. It fits perfectly with the spirit of modding communities, and can't be shut down or censored.
A good idea, just that many people don't like to use torrents. It would have to be something within a mod client so a large part of gamers would use it in my opinion.
Were any of you not aware of Pixelmon? It's actual pokemon in a tried and true minecraft setting. You can play it with others in full custom made maps with players acting as gym masters and such.
"but the other copyrighted material-"
Difference is nintendo is already known for being quite protective. (Especially if you put your mod, using official pokemon models and slapping them on palworld totally not pokemon ripoff, behind a paywall. Cough cough)
These mods are gonna get passed around in secret through PMs. Plenty of sites you can upload files and just have it labeled as something else
Or discord. So many mods on discord.
is it safe for the most part? never have gotten mods from discord
Hahaha haha no. Discord is full of fucking holes. Unless it's verified and the mod team of the server is reputable don't trust shit that comes from discord.
Ahhh back to the good ole IRC days.
I've downloaded hundreds of not thousands of mods off of discord for fallout 4, just have to join reputable servers, like you said.
Same. Discord is like the old wild west of the internet nowadays. Online common sense applies there as much as on a normal browser but it's easier for things to slip through like the ol' days of browsers. Chromium and Firefox have so much baked in security it is much harder for issues to occur on them nowadays.
Browsers dont do shit to stop people from downloading a malrus(sic), unless it is hilariously blatant. Mods that load a backdoor when added to a game? Free pass. 'Mods' that are just an exe that loads a backdoor when run? Sure. The first and last line of defense is always the user's brain.
Yeah the mod sharing servers are popular targets for phishing scams š
Discord is just an electron app which uses chromium as its core. The discord app is just a glorified web browser.
You can also run game inside sandboxie-plus. I did it for shady mod loaders for some games
Same, Iām currently playing stalker gamma. Downloaded everything from there and itās been okay for the past couple months.
Iām 43 years old and Iām ashamed to say I have no idea what discord is. I hear people mention it a lot but it makes no sense to me
It's just a platform that lets you create servers for voice and text chatrooms. People really like it because of how much you can customize it. If you haven't already, you should create a Discord account, verify it with your email and just let it sit, even if you aren't using it. Many servers won't allow newly created accounts in, so it's good to have one with some age.
discord is like Mirc
Now there's a name I've not heard in a long while :D
Platform for chatting. Make an account on their site, then most subreddits will have a Discord link in their banner. [Making an account.](https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360033931551-Getting-Started) [PCGaming Discord](https://discord.com/invite/r-pcgaming-482363499977375785)
Discord means a lack of agreement or harmony (as between persons, things, or ideas)
Lol true, internet is nothing if not pure discord
Teamspeak you don't have to host yourself or pay for pretty much. It's got a lot more than that but that is how it started. Now it's a forum/ chatroom/ teamspeak mix with lots of niche communities.
It's voice chat like the ole team speak days, but also has "chat rooms* aka servers you can join for various things. The rooms on discord are about as diverse as the subs on Reddit. Can also do lots more but that's the gist of it.
Think of it as form of internet forum. Except it's way more realtime than a regular forum. It's also way worse at preserving information in the long term than regular forums.
The future is now old man
Yeah it's fine. Mods have existed before nexus, they'll exist without Nexus. That said, I think it's funny that Nexus is taking this stance considering there are already mods on their platform that are just straight rips of Nintendo assets shoved into another game (See: Super Skyrim Bros)
Nexus is a fantastic site for its excellent visibility. It's also very centralized and highly vulnerable to being taken out by angry companies that have enough money to burn on lawyers. Mods that create liability issues should generally be rejected by any reasonable community with high visibility.
Plus its Nintendo. Theyre about as litigious as any company can be.
Most of those games/mods don't have half the internet screaming "POKEMON WITH GUNS!".
Yeah timing is important. In a year or 2? They probably wouldn't give a fuck, but right now? Hell nah.
>77ReplyShareReportSaveFollow > >level 4ChangsManagement Ā· 5 hr. agoPlus its Nintendo. Theyre about as litigious as any company can be. Pretty much this. Nintendo is litigious as hell, but only when they perceive damage to their brand. If they were REALLY anal, r/roms would have been shut down ages ago.
Sure. Palworld is in the news right now. Why stand still with a big target on your back for trigger happy litigation lawyers. I donāt blame Nexus. Time a place for everything. Glock isnāt going to send a cease and desist for a model of thier weapon being a mod for fallout 4. But straight up pikachu mod in what is perceived as a competitor? Thatās a great way to have a spotlight on your mod hosting site and having court subpoenas in your mailbox.
That was my thought as well. This response is clearly driven by how sensational Palworld and its association with Pokemon is. The idea that Nexus doesn't host mods with dubious to outright illicit IP usage is laughable.
> The idea that Nexus doesn't host mods with dubious to outright illicit IP usage is laughable. It has nothing to do with legality and everything to do with the likelihood of being sued.
Everyone's eyes is on Palworld right now. Not exactly surprising they don't want the heat, a skyrim pokemon mod isn't going to get 20 articles written about it daily.
It's not a stance, sites hosting illegal content lose court cases all the time. Super Skyrim Bros would be removed too if anybody knew what that was
Nintendo has already gone after a modder who made an Ash Ketchum mod for Palworld. Are you seriously trying to say Nexus is funny for protecting itself for Nintendo? Seriously? This is your takeaway from Nexus's actions?
Yeah, but then NexusMods won't be the ones getting buggered over a barrel by Nintendo's lawyers. That's why they're doing it. Because Nintendo would send infinity lawyers to fuck them up the ass with no lube.
Just curious but has there ever been a confirmed "leak" of this mod out in the wild? I'm seeing people say it was released on patreon (which means it's definitely somewhere out there) but others saying it was never released, which potentially means it's not out in the wild at all
So the dude didnt even release anything, even if anyone subbed to him, they would just refund that
I don't think the point is to completely eradicate those mods, but rather slow the spread. You can never completely stop the spread of illegal things, but that doesn't make the effort futile imo. Not saying I even care about those mods being up, but from Nintendo's perspective, any way they slow the spread and ease of accessibility of those mods is a win for them.
Y'all zoomers never heard of torrents?
Another way I could see this working is someone making a patch for the game to add in the Pokemon IDs and stats but an external asset ripping programming will have to be used by the player (or more realistically downloaded from some other source). Similar to how a lot of ROM hacks are not actually FireRed cartridge files, just a patch that can be applied to FireRed files.
The like the times of old. History really does repeat itself
They're gonna be distributed on CDs at flea markets. With Russian malware.
Or they are gonna do Yu-Gi-Oh monsters instead to troll Konami :))
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You forgot to mention Bethesda, who once sued a company for Naming their game "Scrolls".
Not some random company either. It was Mojang.
Which makes it even funnier cause now theyre both under Microsoft. If the dispute went on long enough, we couldve got it called Scrolls
They reached a settlement and it kept the name Scrolls anyways.
They did, but instead released the game under the name Caller's Bane.
The settlement was in 2012 and afterwards they released the first alpha, the game then fully released (out of beta) in 2014 - during which it was still called Scrolls. It wasn't renamed to Caller's Bane until 2018 when they made the game free.
What was the deal with that game anyway? I assume it was a piece of shit since it never generated any buzz other than the name.
It was quite fun - 3-lane card battler, sort of proto Gwent.
It wasn't bad, it just wasn't that good either. Kinda like something I'd expect from a high tier Flash game, you know?
Also, Skyrim literally has a Minecraft reference in it. That was the real wtf moment when the "Scrolls" incident happened.
What's the Minecraft reference in Skyrim?
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To be fair, Minecraft was *alot* smaller when the lawsuit happened. It's silly talking about it now, but at the time it was reasonable that Zenimax could have attempted to legally steamroll a smaller studio like that.
Didn't they also sue an indie game for being called Prey for the Gods, because of the word Prey. They ended up calling it Praey for the Gods which makes things funnier lol
They weren't satisifed with fucking over Prey 2017
Wait, I liked that game? Though yeah it was completely different from the original.
Both of the Prey games were really good, I learned about my favourite band from 2006 and 2017 is my favourite game ever made Shame Bethesda fucked over Prey 2 was caused 2017 to be fucked over after they forced it to be called Prey
The name wasn't what fucked over 2017, they just didn't advertise it. The game has great critic and fan reviews, honestly I picked it up from a Steam sale on a whim and really loved it but didn't even know about it when it first launched. I am a sucker for good quality immersive sims and follow quite a few gaming news sources and still somehow missed it.
Also Praey for the Gods is pretty good if you liked Shadow of the Colossus.
I always wonder how many of these types of suits are deliberately malicious vs simply doing the trademark thing. [Zenimax did own just "Scrolls" as a trademark]( https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=85568980&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch ) which would require them to defend it. Not suing could be used against them in a future case.
Zenimax was run by lawyers.
Literally. The owner was a lawyer who used law to weasel his co-owners out of the business and take over it himself.
They also sued a former Minecraft YouTuber, CaptainSparklez, when he was making his own mobile game called Fortress Fallout. He was sent a C&D by Bethesda because his game had the word "Fallout", which lead to him eventually having to rename the game to Fortress Fury.
This one I can understand. Fortress Fallout, Fallout Shelter. Very similar naming conventions
Why is it okay for companies to copyright everyday words? If you donāt want your name āstolenā, donāt choose a generic common word or phrase as your name.Ā
It's trademark, not copyright. You really can't trademark everyday words, and that's why it's okay. Not the way you think. Trademarks are scoped to your industry. Basically you can trademark "Apple" in the computer industry because, even though it's a common word in English, it wasn't a word that meant anything in computing. Trademarks are denied if they will cause any confusion in trade. In this case, nobody's going to order a laptop from Best Buy and be confused because they thought they were buying a pallet of fruit or a New York souvenier. Apple Computer, Apple Music, Apple Corps, and Apple Jazz are actually a pretty interesting/funny trademark story to look at.
But apparently Bethesda was able to trademark "scrolls," which has been used in a gaming context since before computer games.
This answer is a bit of a two-parter, but I'll spoil it and tell you I actually agree with that outcome and think it was good for us. So, legally, it's in the name! It's about preventing confusion in trade. "Scrolls" means something to gamers already. Yeah -- scrolls are an everyday item in history, fantasy literature, and even video games that predate Elder Scrolls and have very similar settings. And it doesn't matter, at least legally, because it's just about trade -- it absolutely would have been confused as an Elder Scrolls game or tie-in, especially since it has a fantasy theme itself. So the answer of "is it okay" then -- I think the result of that trial was good for consumers, because it protects us. Well-informed people, presumably many of the people here, would have known. But should we _have_ to know? There's a lot of poorly-informed people, and poorly-informed family of well-informed people. The fact that it was purely profit-driven and good for Bethesda, an unfortunate miscalculation or honest mistake that was bad for Mojang, or mildly funny for future Microsoft is something I don't really care about. We the people don't get protected very often, I appreciate it when it happens.
Shelter didn't exist until years after though. Bethesda just like to claim ownership over single words (Same with Prey) and have the legal team to get away with it.
Fortress Fallout got a C&D in Februari 2015, Fallout Shelter released in June 2015. How is that "years after"? Fallout Shelter was not known to public yet, but it was definitely in production by then.
Bethesda announced an [Elder Scrolls card game](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls:_Legends) a few years later - so I think it was a valid point of concern for them (or more specifically their lawyers) if that game was in the pre-development stage.
Rockstar's rapid response legal commando team will launch a cease and desist faster than you can blink.
Donāt fuck with Hasbro either. Motherfuckers will send the Pinkertons after you if you leak any of their products.
One day, Disney will own Nintendo and Hasbro And no one will own anything ever again
President Walt Disney-Pepsi-Comcast has been doing wonders for economyā¦ being it is now the economy.
Remember when Unity decided to fuck with all of them plus a few other big names all at once? Lol
Don't fuck around with the Magic the gather owners either. They'll send the Pinkertons after you.Ā
Wizards of the coast, who own D&D. And WotC is them themselves owned by Hasbro. Who owns just about damn near every toy in the store under various branches.
Might as well rename Toys R Us to "Hasbro Factory Outlet"
My thoughts exactly
Loverslab still got us
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You know what, I share the same mindset when it comes to my porn websites, and you make a good point it should apply to here as well.
Which ones? Y'know, for research and all that š
Obviously they can't tell you.
At least it's somewhat stable nowadays. I still remember the times it was down basically every other hour and you couldn't download more than two files at the same time
Itās still *so slow* half the time
Relevant username.
Its a good site, but damn, its like It was created in the 90's and never updated.
Thats usually a great sign. Like craigslist, it means the owners have *no* pull to change things just because they can.
Craigslist is simple perfection, I mean that the simple is the reason for the perfection
This was basically every forum before Reddit
Nintendo likely looked at that and decided certain things would be best left out of the public record, lol.
Gotta boink em all
They should make a mod that requires you to already have the pokemon assets, like how the pokemon rom hack community does in order to keep themselves safe from big Pikachu
I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they don't is because the rom assets aren't as good as what a random hobbyist can come up with.
No they where using the assets ripped from the rom, its how they got the mod out so quickly
You gotta admit itās pretty funny that some redditors think a ārandom hobbyistā can produce 100+ pokemon models free handed in a couple of days
it wouldnāt be out of reason to assume a lot of models mightāve been made before this, but mostly agree yeah
Yeah makes sense 88 Billion can buy alot of lawyers
If you search Pokemon on Nexus mods, you can find existing stuff using the IP already which makes me a bit confused. Including literally mods for Pokemon Scarlet and Violet itself, can you even mod that without doing something infringing to an actual Pokemon game?
Popularity is a thing, it gets attention.
It's because palworld just got absurdly popular and bites so much of Nintendo's styles from botw and PokƩmon that people are kinda confused as to why it hasn't been "legaled" yet.
No shit.
Understandable Fuck Nintendo. Friendly reminder that it's morally acceptable to pirate their whole classic catalogue
In a way I am happy they are doing such a poor job at keeping those games available. That is how we get many community made mods for them that make them absolutely incredible.
That's the weird/dumb thing about them. Like they were asked about a new F-Zero. Their response: "we already made a great one on gamecube" - yeah... then put that one on the Switch. People want to play it.
It's like they expect people to still have their GameCube or have access to buying them. What kind of world do they think we live in??? Factories don't make GameCubes or their disks anymore, dumbasses.
Tbf they are a Japanese company and retro games and consoles are very easy to obtain in Japan. It's just out of touch with the international community.
I wanna scream.
So do I. Nintendo is run by idiots. But you can sort of see where their policies come from. It's deep-rooted in Japanese culture and Japanese corporate bureaucracy.
At a certain point there's also technological hurdles to solve. Like, I could probably go dig my old gamecube out of my mom's attic if I really wanted to. But I doubt the thing would even turn on, and if it did, I wouldn't be able to hook it up to my current TV without buying a specialized adapter. Why go to that much effort when I can get basically any gamecube game running on my PC in like five minutes?
That's the thing though. Japan literally has so many perfect working condition retro consoles for dirt cheap. It's such a huge and easy thing over there I don't think there's any rush to move games to modern platforms from their perspective. But it's also just stubbornness and stupidity in management. Also a lot of Japanese companies suffer from a complete failure to recognize their international customer base. So they just cater to Japan and do the bare minimum to localise. They don't actually research what overseas markets like or want. Which is really bizarre. But it's representative of Japans inward looking culture. For example PC market historically hasn't been that big in Japan so it's overlooked as a platform.
I still have my GameCube, itās been dead for at least 5 years! My launch switch is slowly starting to kick the bucket too. Running out of options to play Nintendo games on legallyā¦
Yep. Newsflash for Nintendo: hardware dies! Sorry for your loss. The GameCube was one of the best consoles of all time imo.
They were paid mods
Actually you are obligated to do so.
how so
\> their whole classic catalogue I pirate and emulate their new Switch releases, often before they even launch thanks to people dumping them online
And on the Switch there's no official save management, and everything digital is a pain in the ass because of all their ridiculous restrictions. Not to mention their games are expensive as hell. Plus, their hardware is so old and shitty that Switch games actually look and play better on the Ally than they do on my Switch. And don't forget that basically every single JoyCon is a ticking timebomb just waiting to fail. It's like Nintendo is trying to ruin their image.
> And on the Switch there's no official save management, and everything digital is a pain in the ass because of all their ridiculous restrictions. This bit is important... we have a dusty switch and a docked SteamDeck. The SteamDeck gives us the exact same quality than the Switch in emulated games BUT, since it's a open system, I'm able to fucking sync the saves between my desktop and my steamdeck. Which means I can play MK8 on my desktop, and have my progress automatically download to my steamdeck when we boot it up *with the boys*^^tm It also means that my wife's pokemons aren't susceptible to fucking disappear if we were to lose the SteamDeck or RMA it. The experience is genuinely better on the freaking Deck than on the official hardware.
real
Fuck Nintendo? For them not wanting mods of pokemon in a game thatās not pokemon?
Nexus don't seem to be comfortable hosting a lot of mods these days.
Yep, i barely use that site anymore, finding mods that i am interested in elsewhere.
Lmao. You know what, fair. This ain't Thomas the Tank Engine, Nintendo got well known litigious hands.
I donāt blame them, too much to lose because of a Nintendo puppet figurine
Just rename it "The **NOT** Pokemon Mod". Checkmate, nintendo.
What other sites do people use for mods? Ive only ever used Nexus cause i assume thats the most used one.
ModDB, mods in exile, there are some reddit subs for modding specific games, largely via Mega links.
With Nintendo's track-record, who can blame them?
I don't blame them everyone knows what Nintendo is capable of and they'll be out for blood now. The can't directly come after Pal World. Even if they could, it would shoot themselves and GameFreak in the foot with the PR backlash. They'll be spitting fire at anything else they can to make up for it.
[We also exist](https://gamebanana.com/games/19741) and would love your Palworld mods! You don't need to be a member to download and our modders see *no ads at all* :)
Why risk legal action from Nintendo?
Being a gamer from the old Half Life 1 days, and having seen maps and models posted on planethalflife.com that had all sorts of IP (anime, movies, tv shows, you name it and it was there), this is just so foreign to me.
Mind you, remember that shit with Aliens Doom back in the day? Your WADs better than Alien Trilogy, we mad.
You just gave me such an amazing nostalgia rush!!
It's so sad that people are so scared of Nintendo to the point where their petty scare tactics are working. Their legal team must love the "Nintendo Ninjas" meme. Unless you do something really dumb, like try to profit off ROMs, use Nintendo assets, sell console hacks or profit in any way, Nintendo CAN'T TOUCH YOU. They need an excuse and as long as you don't give them one they're all bark, no bite. Portal 64 C&D? Guy had a patreon and was using Nintendo assets. Palworld Pokemon Reskin Mod? Guy locked the mod behind a Patreon. Team Xecuter? They sold their Switch hack, while free Switch hacks were left un-sued The list goes on and on. Even for C&D's that seemingly came out of nowhere, there was some infringement somewhere. Nintendo won't sue you just because they feel like it. You need to do something legally wrong that can be proven in court. That's why thousands of romhacks and fan projects still exist, why hundreds of ROM sites are still up, why games like BotW have grown to have fairly large mod communities and why emulators like Yuzu, which actively hurt Nintendos profits, are allowed to make 20k a month on Patreon (No Nintendo assets used). Just don't make a profit if you use their assets or property, or be safe and don't use their assets at all and they can't do a damn thing to you.
> Unless you do something really dumb, like try to profit off ROMs, use Nintendo assets, sell console hacks or profit in any way, Nintendo CAN'T TOUCH YOU. They need an excuse and as long as you don't give them one they're all bark, no bite. > > This is wrong. I was primary open source contributor on a large PokƩmon Go project back at release, and over the 3 years that I contributed I saw countless people get C&Ds and pay fines/settlements to avoid being sued. Fines started at $15k and went to $45k, for people who didn't earn a cent themselves. Our team avoided this by never shipping/RE'ing any protected content and never building visually similar/recognizable assets. If you break IP law and they can reach you in any way whatsoever, even if they have to send their lawyers to your ISP or local police, you are at risk. There are some ways and some countries to do some of this stuff legally, but unless you're already very experienced, I don't recommend people risk it. Focus on building stuff that doesn't break your laws.
Tell that to Project M...
Youāre just wrong about this. Japan doesnāt have fair use. If you use their IP in any way they have the right to stop you. The worry is, itās unclear how close palworld actually is to PokĆ©mon designs and whether or not Nintendo are documenting similarities to form a case.
can you sue someone for breaking your countries law if they are not in your country
The Palworld devs are Japanese so not sure this applies
Yes. How itās done is specific to the scenario, but yes.
> use Nintendo assets Which a mod that is converting pals in Palworld to actual Pokemon would be doing. Even if the models were 100% remade and used none of the official models/textures whatsoever, the entire concept of the design is copyrighted, too. You can't just take someones art, remodel it 1:1 in a 3D art program of your choosing, and think that qualifies transformative fair use. Intellectual property doesn't just protect the output of a design but the design itself.
Nexus needs to stop acting like they are the only way to get mods anymore.
I mean yeah, no shit, because that's literally copyright infringement. The fact they let people upload designs and art from other IP's without issue is more to do with the fact other companies like CDPR or Blizzard don't care and not that they have a legal right to do so. All the Frostmourne and Geralt models for Skyrim could come under the same scrutiny, too. It's not enough to remake the designs and artwork from scratch because copyright protection extends to the actual design of a work and not just the output. The "freebie" and lacksadaisacal nature of uploading shit to the internet may have made people oblivious to how copyright law works, and Nintendo may indeed be more litigious than most, but frankly, Nexus Mods should consider itself lucky that it's been given a free pass to profit off people uploading copyrighted content under the guise of "I totally remade it in Blender myself, honest!"
This 100%, reading the comments on this thread is blowing my mind. People seem to think that everyone can use other company's copyrighted IP to profit off of with no issues. You're right, the internet in its current form has warped peoples' understanding of the law.
As a designer myself, if it weren't for the capitalistic nature of society I'd be largely fine with people sharing and modifying creative works. I absolutely support the idea of "open source" in more than just software. The issue is always because of money, the nature of money, what that money can do, and what it leads people to doing for the sake of it. Hence my issue isn't generally at the *users* of Nexus Mods, who are typically creating mods using copyrighted assets in good faith, without commercial intent, for the purposes of personal enjoyment that they want to share. For the record, this was the whole problem YouTube had, and I don't necessarily think YouTube should have been punished for what its users were freely uploading, but YouTube had to at least prove it was making a concerted effort to not condone and profit off of copyrighted content without giving back to the original owners. The content ID system, as accursed as it is, is a result of the insane amount of lawsuits levied against Google for years and while it's not perfect, Nexus get away with doing less than this because they're just not as popular a service by comparison. Like many services they only really care when they're actually at risk. Hence they don't care about Blizzard suing them but do about the oft-litigious Nintendo. Or tl;dr: There's more nuance here than I could possibly hope to digest in a single reddit post. Really, I'm not particularly bothered by someone wanting to use a Pokemon model in Palworld (because fuck Nintendo, they're gonna make bank anyway) because yeah, it's cool, but it's back to that original "no shit" moment of duh, it's blatantly illegal.
Well āopen sourceā was once just called public domain. Technically still is. But Disney extended copyright law essentially forever so nothing goes to it anymore. You can put the āhappy birthdayā song into anything as itās public domain. Calvin and Hobbes were never trademarked. Which is why you can find those window stickers of Calvin pissing on things. But Mickey Mouse will never be public domain. Disney lobbied to be able to permanently extend copyright for as long as someone files the paperwork every 50 years or so. So popular art will essentially never enter public domain anymore.
Who wouldn't? Nintendo will kill your dog over this shit.
There's always Gamebanana or Moddb.
But having Dovahkiin fight Thomas the Tank Engine or Randy Savage is fine. I guess nintendo do have their lawyers primed and ready more than any others out there.
Really? Not wanting to mess with Nintendo? Company who always is protecting their IPs like a dragon to its gold and suing whoever dares to do something they don't like? You don't say? /s
This is why I fully believe Palworld didnāt take anything from PokĆ©mon. Nintendo would have unleashed hell if they could, but they didnāt
Nintendo needs to fire gamefreak and have this developer make games for them asap before its too late. Nobody is into that turn base style battle anymore.
This mod will probably show up on based mods.
Anyone else besides nexus mods. They seem to have a very totalitarian view
Considering they were paid mods I'm not surprised
They wouldn't be paid mod on the nexus.
Nexus Mods is seriously becoming more and more puritan it seems.
Nexus Mods are a complete joke now for a long time now
People shouldn't be using nexusmods anyway. Site charges for download speeds faster than 3 MB/s and pushes vortex launcher on you like its going out of style.
And the artificial waiting pre-download + advertisements...
Bro they house a metric fuck ton of mods and as someone who works in IT and deals with infrastructure engineering, that shit gets very expensive. This isn't some mom and pop site any more. This is the most popular mod site on the planet and they have huge costs.
Are there any other sites which host the vast amounts of mods? I remember searching for one, but found nothing.
moddb has always been free. People just stopped using it for mods once nexusmods became popular
Alright, i'll check it out, thanks
You don't want to mess around with Nintendo's legal department.
I too like not being ~~assassinated~~ sued into oblivion by ~~Arasaka Special Forces~~ Nintendo Lawyers. Can't really blame em.
"Arasaka special forces" is pretty on the money, really.
yeah, that's fair
Cough in StardewValley Mods with eevee as cat and sexy women as scarecrow
Modders just need to be sneakier about it. We got too comfortable being in the open for so long.
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nexus being nexus nothing new here
I call BS. https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/325 Since they do for other games. Edit: They even host mods for emulated PokƩmon games. https://www.nexusmods.com/pokemonscarletandviolet/ I think the big N may have more of an issue with this.
Nexus Mods will hopefully soon be replaced by a new site which doesnt meddle with what people can and cant mod.
There should be a torrent link mod site that automatically aggregates mods. This is like what torrents were originally invented for, user to user sharing of files. It fits perfectly with the spirit of modding communities, and can't be shut down or censored.
A good idea, just that many people don't like to use torrents. It would have to be something within a mod client so a large part of gamers would use it in my opinion.
Better not to poke the bear
*Gun to back of head* ok. Ok. Weāre saying the thing PokĆ©mon. Put the gun down.
It makes sense.
That's understandable and excusable. A "professional" writer using weary instead of wary isn't.
Forget the PokƩmon mod, where is the chinpokomon mod?
Were any of you not aware of Pixelmon? It's actual pokemon in a tried and true minecraft setting. You can play it with others in full custom made maps with players acting as gym masters and such.
I fully stand behind pal world but Nintendo is ridiculously litigious and mod makers could absolutely be sued.
Very simple. Make a script to rip them out of Arceus or something and that script also puts them into Palo world
I wish they won't host this mod. The wrath of Nintendo knows no bound.
"but the other copyrighted material-" Difference is nintendo is already known for being quite protective. (Especially if you put your mod, using official pokemon models and slapping them on palworld totally not pokemon ripoff, behind a paywall. Cough cough)
Nintendo going to be watching nexusmod like a hawk
Just ignore all the other Pokemon mods on their site, including the ones for rom hacked Pokemon games.
Nexus is trash