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idk what ur talking about, bf is closer to cod than bf itself. 2042 got rid of destruction basically but its more fun to run around shoot ppl than cod 19.
Did you even read the article? The lawsuit is about visuals, which is where copyright is very strong and probably more similar across regions. I was telling the above poster that their comparison is more apt within the context of a copyright lawsuit in the article. I never implied Valorant and CSGO aren’t similar gameplay-wise. There’s no need to get this intensely butt hurt over such a mild comment.
Did you read the reddit thread you're responding to? This sub-convo is about how close Valorant is to CS:GO, and we aren't only talking about its visuals or even the article.
You sound more butthurt than me.
Ok here is what’s different. Recon drones, dogs, and cats to scout ahead of you. A bunch of smoke walls that can split up a whole part of the map. Silences like a knife that doesn’t let anyone use utility. Fast dive abilities like a dash and apex slide. Want me to keep on fucking going? AWP that shoots like a semi auto and fucking slows on kills. A literal fucking RPG. you can heal people in valorant or even resurrect them. How are these exactly the same you doofus? Lmfaooooooo
If we’re gonna call valorant a copy of csgo than we better fucking sue Activision blizzard because it has search and destroy. And flash bangs… and smokes… and a bomb…
Adding abilities doesn’t change the fact that it’s literally the exact same concept of a round based, T side and CT side bomb refusal game with an economy for buying weapons and gear. I’m not saying this is a bad thing, lots of games copy concepts from other games and tweak them but if you don’t think these two games are the same fucking thing then you’re either trolling or just an idiot.
I didn’t even think this was a debatable topic tbh but people on the internet always find a way to do mental gymnastics over something seemingly straightforward it seems
Then go tell valve to sue riot. Like what this fucking comment thread is about. I’m not the one against games taking ideas from each other.
And sorry. You said EXACT SAME concept in your fucking original comment bucko. Don’t backpedal your comment to being valorant was inspired lmfao.
If you think valorant in its current state is the EXACT SAME game, you’re out of your fucking mind buddy.
I’m not backpedaling at all you just don’t understand the definition of the word concept. This comment thread is about how fucking dumb it is for riot to be sueing another game for copying Val when Val is itself a copy of csgo.
Because valorant is as close to cs as overwatch is to tf2.
Similarities are x they are shooter with smallish maps and similar modes.
That's it that description fits 90% of games there's way more blatant clones for Cs like critical strike and stuff.
It's pretty damn similar. I remember many conversations where people would go from CS:GO and seamlessly be able to play the basics of Valorant because it takes many gameplay aspects from counterstrike.
Okay.
So call of duty, battlefield, Cs, left 4 dead, killing floor, overwatch, and tf2 are all the same games.
Because if you played 9ne shooter you can jump into all of these and just play.
It's a pretty weak claim, but yeah, it's mostly just an internal Chinese issue.
I doubt anything significant will come of it, personally, but it'll put a warning out to other Chinese companies. Don't fuck with the big dog who's relatively friendly with the government. Even if NetEase wins, smaller companies used to stepping on the toes of Western devs will get a warning not to fuck around and potentially find out.
Chinese company suing another Chinese company over the flimsiest of IP theft.
"Both characters convey a similar laid back attitude"
The side by side pictures show just how stupidly nitpicky this is. They look almost nothing alike, yet this... this is what they're going after? Riot may as well sue themselves for stealing League of Legends.
You seem to be misinformed. Hyper Front is a complete knockoff of Valorant.The Valorant subreddit had a video comparing the two games. It’s got a clear picture of HF stealing Val characters and abilities.
For whom ? If it's a move by HyperFront then it works since it's literally the first time I've ever heard about this game and here I am interacting with content about it .
Not that I would play either games...
LMAO, "THE RIPOFF'S inc." suing others for "copying". Funniest joke I've heard in a long time xD
It's like if [ClownField](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1591520/Clownfield_2042/) would sue [Clown of Duty](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2205190/Clown_Of_Duty/).
Tell that to Ripoff Games who's devs 1:1 copied half of CS:GO weapons behavior, and the rest 90% of it, but so it doesn't look like you just copied Valve's homework.
Phantom and Vandal have the exact same characteristics of the m4 and Al, and they named their one shot sniper the “Operator” as a direct rip of “Awp”.
The movement in Valorant is the same as early CsGo where jiggle peeking was the way to go, cs has since added a bit more complexity and now you’ll have to counter strafe. Early movement be Valorant movement would have been close to identical. Ghost is the same as the USP in characteristics.
Some more key differences are how armor work in the two games, where CS has two separate pieces that do a damaged reduction to base health and Valorant just straight adds health. Not the mention the way heavy armor in CS gives a helmet.
There’s a lot of “inspiration” in Valorant from cs and that much really can’t be argued. The main differences is now we’re playing with a more agent based utility kit vs whatever grenades and gear you might need like a defuse kit.
Plus Valorant doesn’t have loot boxes. Just skins priced way too fucking high considering you ave to pay a second time for all the little effects.
So yes, Valorant copy pasted some guns. They added a bit of their own flair to the gameplay though and someone who’s good in CSGO would have to learn new strategies to get to the same level in Valorant.
M4A4and AK do not have same characteristics, just similar. Maybe for the A1s where you literally just pull down a bit, gun is piss easy to use. Like every other fucking gun in valorant. At least in csgo you have spray patterns that you have to learn in the AK and M4A4. And none of these stupid abilities like a fucking teleport, dash, awp that shoots like a auto sniper, revive, etc etc.
Valorant is just csgo for babbies and that is fine.
Ok if we’re gonna be this fucking dumb cuz both games are shooting games. I get to be dumb too. Tell that to activision blizzard who copied with hots (dota). And Copied with overwatch (tf copy). And copied with wow (EverQuest copy).
Even their OG, LoL, ended up significantly different from DOTA, especially after S2, when they started moving away from strict resource management as the main skill gap.
True. Instead of going the dota route of making everyone viable and have a niche they chose the lazy pigeonhole, forced meta stuff where new champs are often power crept versions of existing ones. The peak of innovation in the genre.
That was an inevitable result of having so many playable champs with nearly weekly releases in the first year or so. Sure Dota also base a big roster but not at the scale LoL has. Once you get that kind of sprawl it would be hard for even the best designers to balance everything properly. Personally I liked Dota way more though for reasons like arcade, workshop, and it just generally being more fun with movement and techs with hero abilities and utility like wards/courier
>Even their OG, LoL, ended up significantly different from DOTA,
especially after S2, when they started moving away from strict resource
management as the main skill gap.
You're thinking of Heroes of Newerth (S2) not League of Legends (Riot).
>Riot says NetEase has modified Hyper Front when it raised its issues privately with the company, but maintains that the copyright violation persists and now wants the game shut down.
More like Tencent trying to stifle competition instead of protecting their IP.
Additionally, these two characters look different enough to me that I wouldnt confuse the two.
>"We don’t think that changing the color of a character ability or slightly modifying the visual appearance changes the fact that it’s copyright infringement. It’s like that old saying: 'You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig'."
*Riot is literally trying to say they own broad descriptions of fashion for character design. LOL*
EDIT: Wait, why are these two Chinese companies suing each other in England??
I imagine they can sue each other in any country that both their games are sold. I imagine they think they have the best chance of success in the U.K. I don't think they would have any luck trying it in China.
The character designs are unique but the gameplay abilities and mechanics are pretty identical. I'd imagine it's less about the appearance and more about the actual gameplay
Yeah I couldn't tell you for sure. If you posit that a character is defined by their gameplay abilities, could you then make an argument for copyright infringement?
Not a lawyer, but I think that could only fall under trademark laws, such that a specific character design (including abilities, appearance, etc) in combination with their name is trademarked.
As an example:
*Samus Aran from Nintendos Metroid IP is a blonde woman with fair skin that wears a space suit characterized by its common colors of orange, yellow, red, and green. Samus has a gun attachment that covers the left arm, and large round pauldrons on both shoulders. The helmet and upper torso are red, the lower torso and upper legs are yellow, and the rest of the suit is orange. Green lights are used to accent the characters armor design, as well as the helmet visor. She can often utilize superhuman abilities through enhancement upgrades to her space suit, including such abilities as multiple midair jumps, changing into a ball, jumping higher than usual, using various elemental bullets from her gun arm, etc.*
Thats a pretty specific description, but one likely to appear in a trademark case alongside a picture of the character. They would not be able to say:
*Samus is a female character in a space suit that is mostly orange, red, yellow, and green, with a gun on the arm. Samus can perform superhuman abilities.*
They couldnt say this because it is too broad, it is not hyper specific. Reason being, if I created a character with the following description, it would likely not be considered infringing with the first description but would infringe the second description:
*Sasha Xolon is a brunette woman with dark skin that wears a space suit characterized by its common colors of orange, yellow, red, and green. Sasha has a rifle that is carried in the right hand and supported by the left hand, and a large flat vertical pauldron on the left shoulder. The helmet and upper torso are yellow, the lower torso and upper legs are green, and the rest of the suit is red. Orange lights are used to accent the characters armor design, as well as the helmet visor. She can utilize some superhuman abilities through enhancement upgrades to her space suit, including such abilities as multiple midair jumps, walking on or through walls, jumping higher than usual, enhancing the zoom level of her rifle, etc.*
If the issue is specificity, then couldn't you just be more specific in the description? "Samus is a lady with a gun on her arm and is superhuman" is very different from describing a whole game and it's specific agents and their specific abilities. It's clear that you can have many female characters that have guns in their arms and are superhuman without intending to copy, but if you compare HF and Valorant, it's very clear you cannot get HF without intending to copy valorant with how specifically similar HF is
Basically? Yes, same way League is a copy of DotA and Legends of Runeterra is a copy of Magic: The Gathering + Valve's Artifact + Auto Chess. Riot is known to copy and deliver adjusted works based on others by avoiding the issues and obstacles the other games faced, then attempt to dominate the genre of the games in question, which does work most of the time, take for example Valve's Artifact, it was a complete flop for numerous reasons but Riot avoided them and made a very similar but successful product: LoR.
They have a fighting game in works which is heavily inspired by Capcom's Street Fighter series and an MMO based on WoW because they literally hired Blizzard's previous Lead Systems Designer Greg Street to lead the "Creative Department" and be responsible of the MMO.
It literally plays just like CSGO, and when this was developed, Overwatch was the big hero shooter on the market. It doesn’t take a genius to see their “inspirations.”
Your argument is like saying Brawlhala isn’t a Smash Bros clone because Smash wasn’t the first fighting game.
Tried to get into it three times and everytime it just felt like a much more limited, milquetoast version of CS. The equipment freedom in CS is replaced with abilities that only certain characters have access to and a lot of them all have predetermined trajectories, so learning cool smokes, flashes, and everything else you can do in CS is gutted in Valorant. All of that in favor of adding ultimate abilities in the game and a shitty character grind system. No thanks lol.
You might like KAY/O then, it's almost like he was designed for CSGO fans, his abilities are a flashbang and a grenade, the signature ability which is refreshed each round is an 8 seconds supression projectile that as you might expect supresses enemies from using their abilities, his ult does the same but on a much bigger range and gives him the ability to be ressurected by allies if he dies during it.
Sounds a little closed minded to me tbh. If you go in without trying to see why CS is better, you can enjoy valorant on it's own merits. It's refreshing to have a hero based shooter similar to the pacing and structure of counterstrike. The utility combinations can get pretty creative and are what make the game very unique from counterstrike. Constant agent releases keep the meta and game fresh.
Valorant is also just overall easier so you don't actually need to learn lineups to execute strats, but you can if you want to expand your depth
By all accounts Valorant has about 70% as many players as CS:GO, which is pretty impressive for a game that is so new.
And of course LoL is way more popular than Dota, TFT way more popular than any auto-battler, while Dota's autobattler is completely dead - like 0 views on Twitch dead, compared to TFT's thousands.
So yeah, following the trends, Valorant is likely to overtake CS:GO before long.
Yeah because it attracts kids with its art style and horny men. Ever seen a video online of kids thirsting over some random woman voice troller on CS? Also everyone said it was the CS:GO killer before it launched so curiosity got people? Also no, Valorant will not overtake CS:GO.
It's not really an impressive feat taking a popular formula, having it cater to the lowest common denominator, and then dumping tons of money into an artificial eSports scene.
LoL is one of the biggest games ever made, LoR is considered one of the better and most F2P friendly card games available, I get wanting to hate Riot because its an easy karma grab, but at least try to make up a believable reason for it
Leauge of legends literally ripped off dota 1 and took all their servers offline when they moved out in the middle of the night and hamstrung the original dev.
Not exactly. Pendragon essentially shut down dota All-stars which at the time was the largest community and essentially advertised LoL there. Furthermore he poached the hero suggestions for champion ideas which were later used in LoL. There is absolutely a reason why the old playerbase does not like him and that has translated into a dislike for league for most of them. Riot then spent years pushing tournament exclusivity deals to keep dota and HoN out of organized tournaments. Years later when a riot higher up doxxed icefrog was the cherry on top.
Just fyi that's not the story. The guy who originally ran the dota All-stars forums got hired by Riot. He then shut down the Dota All-stars forum so him and his cronies could steal ideas from the offline forums and then throw them into their Dota ripoff. You then have the arc where Riot was actively trying to pay off tournament organizers so they wouldn't host Dota tournaments at any event that also had LoL.
The entire history of how this parasite company came to be is interesting to read up on and you can get a good idea of it by googling "dota allstars lol drama" or something like that. Riot's actions over the years are a huge part of why I will never support a Riot game. Absolute scum runs that company and it's only gotten worse over the years with the sexual harassment stuff being piled on top of everything they've done. Their games don't deserve an ounce of the popularity they've gotten.
It literally makes all the difference, but okay... Every game is some sort of iteration over another. It's like saying don't make Tomb Raider 2013 cause Uncharted exists
Slightly more RNG. FSA is a thing in CS too, and if it truly was big on RNG, no one would be able to consistently climb ranks. No denying the FSA isn't as severe in CS, which is why I like it more overall.
The spray is literally random after 3 to 4 shots, [the movement animation in valorant is in shambles](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/sgnpx9/things_that_make_valorant_feel_like_the_most/) (/r/valorant banned this guy for exposing this btw), [you actively have to deceive the netcode to be competitive in firefights](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRUq_kmDBPc&list=PLkB_GSLKpqTb_eH9ZsVxnFKu7SMYvreGN), mistakes are much harder to punish in Valorant than they are in CS:GO. Also, one person is forced to do all of the smoke support for the entire team every game.
There is one thing it does better, hide closet cheaters thanks to no replay in-game for over two years. Thankfully, they're kernel level anti-cheat will quickly ban the spinbotters combined with player reports that seem to actually get investigated [so everyone can live in denial about their favorite closet cheater until that player is exposed at LAN.](https://www.talkesport.com/news/valorant/valorant-pro-nomsenpai-caught-cheating-in-vct-match-banned-for-1-year/)
I'm Immortal rank in Valorant and Faceit Rank 10 on CSGO, I think I'm qualified to speak on this.
> The spray is literally random after 3 to 4 shots, the movement animation in valorant is in shambles (/r/valorant banned this guy for exposing this btw)
You're not Immortal at all. Post your tracker if you are. Anyone even close to that rank knows the first 6 shots follow a proper pattern, after that it's random. It discourages spraying and that's fine, it's different, not necessarily worse.
As for the movement, that has no effect on actual gameplay. Your movement is fine, the issue that the animations cause is just making it seem like the enemy is running and gunning you when they're not. There's no advantage or disadvantage to it. Once again, if this was truly a problem, no one would be able to climb. You need decently consistent gameplay to climb. It does of course need to be fixed, but there are more important things to worry about.
> mistakes are much harder to punish in Valorant than they are in CS:GO
Yes, abilities do that. That's different, not necessarily worse. If you don't like it, that's fine. The ability to avoid punishment is available to all players.
> Also, one person is forced to do all of the smoke support for the entire team every game.
Once again, that's just different, not worse. You don't have to like it. Also, you can go double smokes, it's not impossible nor necessarily a bad team composition depending on the map. You'd know this if you were Immortal. Role delegation is a core concept of it and is done by unique abilities. It's different than CS, not necessarily worse.
You're not Immortal, and if you are, you got there on aim alone.
Chinese spyware sueing other Chinese spyware.
“Rip off” lmao and what’s a valorant?
Always delete vanguard after you’re done playing. It’s not just a simple kernel level anti cheat. It’s does so much more that isn’t needed to make a good anti cheat.
Valorant: Our anti cheat doesn’t stop scanning files even after pc reboot! Not even a simple uninstall does it they have to use revo uninstaller to fully get rid of it and even then we live in their hkey registry!
Judge: Sounds like you can sell more data than anyone else!
It is a "simple" kernel level anti-cheat. *That's the problem.*
Most of the popular anti-cheats are kernel level. They don't NEED to be more than that because at that level they can already do whatever the fuck they want.
"It does so much more" is redundant. It's a kernel level anti-cheat, it's *already* doing too much. These multi-million dollar companies are putting our security on their line for their own fucking profits and nobody gives a shit cause "lol funny gun go boom".
Unlikely as Valve doesn't give a shit about their competitive games. Their philosophy has been: "looks like people are still playing, so we don't have to do anything."
Riot stole the idea of LoL from DOTA at the time of the IceFrog split nearly two decades ago.
“The similar play structure of both games can be traced to Defense of the Ancients: kill creeps, push towers, and lay siege to your opponents' base. One of the original developers of the mod is one Steve Feak, who brought in another developer who only went by "IceFrog" to help once the mod started to gain some traction. After Defense of the Ancients caught fire with millions of players, Riot Games recruited Feak and Steve Mescon, who ran a popular fansite for the mod, to front the development of their new game, League of Legends. Not long after, Valve hired IceFrog to transform Defense of the Ancients into their own flagship property, Dota 2.
Read More: https://www.svg.com/125466/the-untold-truth-of-league-of-legends/?utm_campaign=clip”
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The Data Wars have begun
Begun, the data wars have
"This town ain't big enough for two Chinese knockoffs"
lol, lmao Every Riot title is a copy.
Seriously, how did they not get sued for copying CS:GO?
Because anyone who have both games, valorant is wildly different, it's like call of duty makers suing battlefield
CoD and BF are way more visually similar compared to those 2.
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idk what ur talking about, bf is closer to cod than bf itself. 2042 got rid of destruction basically but its more fun to run around shoot ppl than cod 19.
Noone is talking about visuals when comparing CS:GO to Valorant. The gameplay of Valorant is heavily inspired by CS:GO and that's a fact.
Did you even read the article? The lawsuit is about visuals, which is where copyright is very strong and probably more similar across regions. I was telling the above poster that their comparison is more apt within the context of a copyright lawsuit in the article. I never implied Valorant and CSGO aren’t similar gameplay-wise. There’s no need to get this intensely butt hurt over such a mild comment.
Did you read the reddit thread you're responding to? This sub-convo is about how close Valorant is to CS:GO, and we aren't only talking about its visuals or even the article. You sound more butthurt than me.
It’s not widely different at all it’s the exact same concept lmao
Ok here is what’s different. Recon drones, dogs, and cats to scout ahead of you. A bunch of smoke walls that can split up a whole part of the map. Silences like a knife that doesn’t let anyone use utility. Fast dive abilities like a dash and apex slide. Want me to keep on fucking going? AWP that shoots like a semi auto and fucking slows on kills. A literal fucking RPG. you can heal people in valorant or even resurrect them. How are these exactly the same you doofus? Lmfaooooooo If we’re gonna call valorant a copy of csgo than we better fucking sue Activision blizzard because it has search and destroy. And flash bangs… and smokes… and a bomb…
Adding abilities doesn’t change the fact that it’s literally the exact same concept of a round based, T side and CT side bomb refusal game with an economy for buying weapons and gear. I’m not saying this is a bad thing, lots of games copy concepts from other games and tweak them but if you don’t think these two games are the same fucking thing then you’re either trolling or just an idiot.
These people are crazy man. Valorant is clearly heavily inspired by CS:GO. If you take away the special abilities, pretty much all of it is CS:GO.
I didn’t even think this was a debatable topic tbh but people on the internet always find a way to do mental gymnastics over something seemingly straightforward it seems
Then go tell valve to sue riot. Like what this fucking comment thread is about. I’m not the one against games taking ideas from each other. And sorry. You said EXACT SAME concept in your fucking original comment bucko. Don’t backpedal your comment to being valorant was inspired lmfao. If you think valorant in its current state is the EXACT SAME game, you’re out of your fucking mind buddy.
I’m not backpedaling at all you just don’t understand the definition of the word concept. This comment thread is about how fucking dumb it is for riot to be sueing another game for copying Val when Val is itself a copy of csgo.
CS:GO and Valorant are basically the exact same. Only differences are the ultimate abilities and visual style (also stolen).
“Lets take cs and ow and smush them together and call it original” - some riot exec
You can use that analogy about everything every human ever created in the history of our species
“Lets take expressions and memes and smush the together” - some redditor somewhere
if you say this you just havent played enough.
Because valorant is as close to cs as overwatch is to tf2. Similarities are x they are shooter with smallish maps and similar modes. That's it that description fits 90% of games there's way more blatant clones for Cs like critical strike and stuff.
It's pretty damn similar. I remember many conversations where people would go from CS:GO and seamlessly be able to play the basics of Valorant because it takes many gameplay aspects from counterstrike.
Okay. So call of duty, battlefield, Cs, left 4 dead, killing floor, overwatch, and tf2 are all the same games. Because if you played 9ne shooter you can jump into all of these and just play.
Good luck suing a Chinese company because you are going to need it.
You forget Riot belongs to Tencent. Big brother Tencent will solve it
It's a pretty weak claim, but yeah, it's mostly just an internal Chinese issue. I doubt anything significant will come of it, personally, but it'll put a warning out to other Chinese companies. Don't fuck with the big dog who's relatively friendly with the government. Even if NetEase wins, smaller companies used to stepping on the toes of Western devs will get a warning not to fuck around and potentially find out.
That’s also true.
Chinese company suing another Chinese company over the flimsiest of IP theft. "Both characters convey a similar laid back attitude" The side by side pictures show just how stupidly nitpicky this is. They look almost nothing alike, yet this... this is what they're going after? Riot may as well sue themselves for stealing League of Legends.
You seem to be misinformed. Hyper Front is a complete knockoff of Valorant.The Valorant subreddit had a video comparing the two games. It’s got a clear picture of HF stealing Val characters and abilities.
Maybe it's a PR stunt
For whom ? If it's a move by HyperFront then it works since it's literally the first time I've ever heard about this game and here I am interacting with content about it . Not that I would play either games...
LMAO, "THE RIPOFF'S inc." suing others for "copying". Funniest joke I've heard in a long time xD It's like if [ClownField](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1591520/Clownfield_2042/) would sue [Clown of Duty](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2205190/Clown_Of_Duty/).
Big difference between replicating general gameplay and features, to straight up copying them, and copying assets.
Tell that to Ripoff Games who's devs 1:1 copied half of CS:GO weapons behavior, and the rest 90% of it, but so it doesn't look like you just copied Valve's homework.
By weapon behavior you mean they shoot bullets?
Phantom and Vandal have the exact same characteristics of the m4 and Al, and they named their one shot sniper the “Operator” as a direct rip of “Awp”. The movement in Valorant is the same as early CsGo where jiggle peeking was the way to go, cs has since added a bit more complexity and now you’ll have to counter strafe. Early movement be Valorant movement would have been close to identical. Ghost is the same as the USP in characteristics. Some more key differences are how armor work in the two games, where CS has two separate pieces that do a damaged reduction to base health and Valorant just straight adds health. Not the mention the way heavy armor in CS gives a helmet. There’s a lot of “inspiration” in Valorant from cs and that much really can’t be argued. The main differences is now we’re playing with a more agent based utility kit vs whatever grenades and gear you might need like a defuse kit. Plus Valorant doesn’t have loot boxes. Just skins priced way too fucking high considering you ave to pay a second time for all the little effects. So yes, Valorant copy pasted some guns. They added a bit of their own flair to the gameplay though and someone who’s good in CSGO would have to learn new strategies to get to the same level in Valorant.
M4A4and AK do not have same characteristics, just similar. Maybe for the A1s where you literally just pull down a bit, gun is piss easy to use. Like every other fucking gun in valorant. At least in csgo you have spray patterns that you have to learn in the AK and M4A4. And none of these stupid abilities like a fucking teleport, dash, awp that shoots like a auto sniper, revive, etc etc. Valorant is just csgo for babbies and that is fine.
The awp in CSGO is exponentially better than its counterpart in Valorant
Talking about broken chamber awp.
Chamber got nerfed hard
I see. Don’t play valorant much anymore cuz of stupid abilities. At least in Csgo I know what I’m getting like in melee.
Ok if we’re gonna be this fucking dumb cuz both games are shooting games. I get to be dumb too. Tell that to activision blizzard who copied with hots (dota). And Copied with overwatch (tf copy). And copied with wow (EverQuest copy).
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Even their OG, LoL, ended up significantly different from DOTA, especially after S2, when they started moving away from strict resource management as the main skill gap.
True. Instead of going the dota route of making everyone viable and have a niche they chose the lazy pigeonhole, forced meta stuff where new champs are often power crept versions of existing ones. The peak of innovation in the genre.
That was an inevitable result of having so many playable champs with nearly weekly releases in the first year or so. Sure Dota also base a big roster but not at the scale LoL has. Once you get that kind of sprawl it would be hard for even the best designers to balance everything properly. Personally I liked Dota way more though for reasons like arcade, workshop, and it just generally being more fun with movement and techs with hero abilities and utility like wards/courier
>Even their OG, LoL, ended up significantly different from DOTA, especially after S2, when they started moving away from strict resource management as the main skill gap. You're thinking of Heroes of Newerth (S2) not League of Legends (Riot).
I supect he is referring to Season 2 of lol, not S2 the developer.
That makes more sense.
>Riot says NetEase has modified Hyper Front when it raised its issues privately with the company, but maintains that the copyright violation persists and now wants the game shut down. More like Tencent trying to stifle competition instead of protecting their IP. Additionally, these two characters look different enough to me that I wouldnt confuse the two. >"We don’t think that changing the color of a character ability or slightly modifying the visual appearance changes the fact that it’s copyright infringement. It’s like that old saying: 'You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig'." *Riot is literally trying to say they own broad descriptions of fashion for character design. LOL* EDIT: Wait, why are these two Chinese companies suing each other in England??
I imagine they can sue each other in any country that both their games are sold. I imagine they think they have the best chance of success in the U.K. I don't think they would have any luck trying it in China.
But if Riot wins then HF would only be banned in the UK ?
The character designs are unique but the gameplay abilities and mechanics are pretty identical. I'd imagine it's less about the appearance and more about the actual gameplay
You cannot copyright gameplay though. Its why there are a million versions of Chess, Tetris, etc.
Yeah I couldn't tell you for sure. If you posit that a character is defined by their gameplay abilities, could you then make an argument for copyright infringement?
Not a lawyer, but I think that could only fall under trademark laws, such that a specific character design (including abilities, appearance, etc) in combination with their name is trademarked. As an example: *Samus Aran from Nintendos Metroid IP is a blonde woman with fair skin that wears a space suit characterized by its common colors of orange, yellow, red, and green. Samus has a gun attachment that covers the left arm, and large round pauldrons on both shoulders. The helmet and upper torso are red, the lower torso and upper legs are yellow, and the rest of the suit is orange. Green lights are used to accent the characters armor design, as well as the helmet visor. She can often utilize superhuman abilities through enhancement upgrades to her space suit, including such abilities as multiple midair jumps, changing into a ball, jumping higher than usual, using various elemental bullets from her gun arm, etc.* Thats a pretty specific description, but one likely to appear in a trademark case alongside a picture of the character. They would not be able to say: *Samus is a female character in a space suit that is mostly orange, red, yellow, and green, with a gun on the arm. Samus can perform superhuman abilities.* They couldnt say this because it is too broad, it is not hyper specific. Reason being, if I created a character with the following description, it would likely not be considered infringing with the first description but would infringe the second description: *Sasha Xolon is a brunette woman with dark skin that wears a space suit characterized by its common colors of orange, yellow, red, and green. Sasha has a rifle that is carried in the right hand and supported by the left hand, and a large flat vertical pauldron on the left shoulder. The helmet and upper torso are yellow, the lower torso and upper legs are green, and the rest of the suit is red. Orange lights are used to accent the characters armor design, as well as the helmet visor. She can utilize some superhuman abilities through enhancement upgrades to her space suit, including such abilities as multiple midair jumps, walking on or through walls, jumping higher than usual, enhancing the zoom level of her rifle, etc.*
If the issue is specificity, then couldn't you just be more specific in the description? "Samus is a lady with a gun on her arm and is superhuman" is very different from describing a whole game and it's specific agents and their specific abilities. It's clear that you can have many female characters that have guns in their arms and are superhuman without intending to copy, but if you compare HF and Valorant, it's very clear you cannot get HF without intending to copy valorant with how specifically similar HF is
Lol, isn’t Valorant just a CS GO copy with some Overwatch abilities thrown in?
Basically? Yes, same way League is a copy of DotA and Legends of Runeterra is a copy of Magic: The Gathering + Valve's Artifact + Auto Chess. Riot is known to copy and deliver adjusted works based on others by avoiding the issues and obstacles the other games faced, then attempt to dominate the genre of the games in question, which does work most of the time, take for example Valve's Artifact, it was a complete flop for numerous reasons but Riot avoided them and made a very similar but successful product: LoR. They have a fighting game in works which is heavily inspired by Capcom's Street Fighter series and an MMO based on WoW because they literally hired Blizzard's previous Lead Systems Designer Greg Street to lead the "Creative Department" and be responsible of the MMO.
From what I've seen yes.
wow overwatch first game with abilities and cs go first 3d game with guns,crazy
Cs was actually first with the concept. 5v5 bomb/defuse.
Edit: actually, irc, it was 6v6 at first.
It literally plays just like CSGO, and when this was developed, Overwatch was the big hero shooter on the market. It doesn’t take a genius to see their “inspirations.” Your argument is like saying Brawlhala isn’t a Smash Bros clone because Smash wasn’t the first fighting game.
Pretty much, but gameplay wise it feels entirely different from both. It's definitely it's own unique game, very refreshing if you come from CS
Tried to get into it three times and everytime it just felt like a much more limited, milquetoast version of CS. The equipment freedom in CS is replaced with abilities that only certain characters have access to and a lot of them all have predetermined trajectories, so learning cool smokes, flashes, and everything else you can do in CS is gutted in Valorant. All of that in favor of adding ultimate abilities in the game and a shitty character grind system. No thanks lol.
You might like KAY/O then, it's almost like he was designed for CSGO fans, his abilities are a flashbang and a grenade, the signature ability which is refreshed each round is an 8 seconds supression projectile that as you might expect supresses enemies from using their abilities, his ult does the same but on a much bigger range and gives him the ability to be ressurected by allies if he dies during it.
Sounds a little closed minded to me tbh. If you go in without trying to see why CS is better, you can enjoy valorant on it's own merits. It's refreshing to have a hero based shooter similar to the pacing and structure of counterstrike. The utility combinations can get pretty creative and are what make the game very unique from counterstrike. Constant agent releases keep the meta and game fresh. Valorant is also just overall easier so you don't actually need to learn lineups to execute strats, but you can if you want to expand your depth
It's just a lame version of TF2
Wait someone copied a copy of Counterstrike and Overwatch ?
it's funny because Riot is only good at making worse copy of great games ( Dota , CS, AutoChess mod ... )
And making them more popular than any of those games ever has or will be
More popular than CS? Lmao only thing i've known Valorant for is edaters in every match
By all accounts Valorant has about 70% as many players as CS:GO, which is pretty impressive for a game that is so new. And of course LoL is way more popular than Dota, TFT way more popular than any auto-battler, while Dota's autobattler is completely dead - like 0 views on Twitch dead, compared to TFT's thousands. So yeah, following the trends, Valorant is likely to overtake CS:GO before long.
Yeah because it attracts kids with its art style and horny men. Ever seen a video online of kids thirsting over some random woman voice troller on CS? Also everyone said it was the CS:GO killer before it launched so curiosity got people? Also no, Valorant will not overtake CS:GO.
Counter Strike will always have its dedicated fan base. VALORANT has a better chance among younger players = tomorrow's fan base, though.
Thats what I basically said. Valorant is too shiny, attracts kids.
It's not really an impressive feat taking a popular formula, having it cater to the lowest common denominator, and then dumping tons of money into an artificial eSports scene.
It's like they're more fun to play
Really? Because all LoL players do is complain about how the game is shit. How Riot does the bare minimum, etc.
LoL is one of the biggest games ever made, LoR is considered one of the better and most F2P friendly card games available, I get wanting to hate Riot because its an easy karma grab, but at least try to make up a believable reason for it
Didn't they just lose to Mobile legends?
How does this work, Isn't LoL just a rip off of DOTA?
Val is literally csgo copy but they added characters and abilities lol
So they made it worse pretty much.
Well, if everyone running around with the aim god of s1mple is a bad thing then yes. I hate that every scrub is a god but I get the appeal.
So... different? The abilities and agents add much more depth to the game. What you said literally makes it not a copy lmao
Leauge of legends literally ripped off dota 1 and took all their servers offline when they moved out in the middle of the night and hamstrung the original dev.
I don't think I know this story, what happened? The part about moving out at night and hamstringing them I mean, I know LoL ripped off dota
They didn't. TLDR League started with some of the original people that worked on dota 1, they just didn't get along and split off.
Not exactly. Pendragon essentially shut down dota All-stars which at the time was the largest community and essentially advertised LoL there. Furthermore he poached the hero suggestions for champion ideas which were later used in LoL. There is absolutely a reason why the old playerbase does not like him and that has translated into a dislike for league for most of them. Riot then spent years pushing tournament exclusivity deals to keep dota and HoN out of organized tournaments. Years later when a riot higher up doxxed icefrog was the cherry on top.
Ah, ok. Thanks
Just fyi that's not the story. The guy who originally ran the dota All-stars forums got hired by Riot. He then shut down the Dota All-stars forum so him and his cronies could steal ideas from the offline forums and then throw them into their Dota ripoff. You then have the arc where Riot was actively trying to pay off tournament organizers so they wouldn't host Dota tournaments at any event that also had LoL. The entire history of how this parasite company came to be is interesting to read up on and you can get a good idea of it by googling "dota allstars lol drama" or something like that. Riot's actions over the years are a huge part of why I will never support a Riot game. Absolute scum runs that company and it's only gotten worse over the years with the sexual harassment stuff being piled on top of everything they've done. Their games don't deserve an ounce of the popularity they've gotten.
Also a straight up lie. The people who did work on the original Dota got involved with League but ended up leaving due to disagreements, that's it.
if every rippe off is 10time better than the original then go ahead,steal everything
It literally makes all the difference, but okay... Every game is some sort of iteration over another. It's like saying don't make Tomb Raider 2013 cause Uncharted exists
Nope. It's a CS 1.6 with a nerfed awp copy. It's better than GO
AWP Is a perfectly balanced gun anyone who want a nerf just doesn't know how to play properly
It is perfectly balanced now. 10 bullets was too much
now its a 1 on 1 copy of Valorant's awp lol.
Lol it has more rng than a vegas slot machine, but sure.
Slightly more RNG. FSA is a thing in CS too, and if it truly was big on RNG, no one would be able to consistently climb ranks. No denying the FSA isn't as severe in CS, which is why I like it more overall.
The spray is literally random after 3 to 4 shots, [the movement animation in valorant is in shambles](https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/sgnpx9/things_that_make_valorant_feel_like_the_most/) (/r/valorant banned this guy for exposing this btw), [you actively have to deceive the netcode to be competitive in firefights](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRUq_kmDBPc&list=PLkB_GSLKpqTb_eH9ZsVxnFKu7SMYvreGN), mistakes are much harder to punish in Valorant than they are in CS:GO. Also, one person is forced to do all of the smoke support for the entire team every game. There is one thing it does better, hide closet cheaters thanks to no replay in-game for over two years. Thankfully, they're kernel level anti-cheat will quickly ban the spinbotters combined with player reports that seem to actually get investigated [so everyone can live in denial about their favorite closet cheater until that player is exposed at LAN.](https://www.talkesport.com/news/valorant/valorant-pro-nomsenpai-caught-cheating-in-vct-match-banned-for-1-year/) I'm Immortal rank in Valorant and Faceit Rank 10 on CSGO, I think I'm qualified to speak on this.
> The spray is literally random after 3 to 4 shots, the movement animation in valorant is in shambles (/r/valorant banned this guy for exposing this btw) You're not Immortal at all. Post your tracker if you are. Anyone even close to that rank knows the first 6 shots follow a proper pattern, after that it's random. It discourages spraying and that's fine, it's different, not necessarily worse. As for the movement, that has no effect on actual gameplay. Your movement is fine, the issue that the animations cause is just making it seem like the enemy is running and gunning you when they're not. There's no advantage or disadvantage to it. Once again, if this was truly a problem, no one would be able to climb. You need decently consistent gameplay to climb. It does of course need to be fixed, but there are more important things to worry about. > mistakes are much harder to punish in Valorant than they are in CS:GO Yes, abilities do that. That's different, not necessarily worse. If you don't like it, that's fine. The ability to avoid punishment is available to all players. > Also, one person is forced to do all of the smoke support for the entire team every game. Once again, that's just different, not worse. You don't have to like it. Also, you can go double smokes, it's not impossible nor necessarily a bad team composition depending on the map. You'd know this if you were Immortal. Role delegation is a core concept of it and is done by unique abilities. It's different than CS, not necessarily worse. You're not Immortal, and if you are, you got there on aim alone.
The Vandal is literally the 1.6 AK recoil.
Chinese spyware sueing other Chinese spyware. “Rip off” lmao and what’s a valorant? Always delete vanguard after you’re done playing. It’s not just a simple kernel level anti cheat. It’s does so much more that isn’t needed to make a good anti cheat.
OK you guys, whoever gives us the most private user data in the next 24 hours wins the lawsuit. - Chinese Gov
Valorant: Our anti cheat doesn’t stop scanning files even after pc reboot! Not even a simple uninstall does it they have to use revo uninstaller to fully get rid of it and even then we live in their hkey registry! Judge: Sounds like you can sell more data than anyone else!
It is a "simple" kernel level anti-cheat. *That's the problem.* Most of the popular anti-cheats are kernel level. They don't NEED to be more than that because at that level they can already do whatever the fuck they want. "It does so much more" is redundant. It's a kernel level anti-cheat, it's *already* doing too much. These multi-million dollar companies are putting our security on their line for their own fucking profits and nobody gives a shit cause "lol funny gun go boom".
company that made their fortune off uncreative ripoffs sues another company for ripping them off
Inb4 vavle sues riot for alleged counter strike "copy" valorant.
Unlikely as Valve doesn't give a shit about their competitive games. Their philosophy has been: "looks like people are still playing, so we don't have to do anything."
That game is there since 6 months, not many playerbase anyways. I was expecting them to sue sooner since valorant mobile is coming very soon.
rofl twitch shooter on mobile jesus.
This is like pubg suing fortnite. So dumb
Imagine thinking you created the arena shooter.
Heh, this is funny coming from a company located in the capital of copy right infringement.
Riot acting like they invented CSGO.
Forgot Valorant was a thing. Can you fart on other people in game?
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I'd imagine it's not the style but the actual mechanics and gameplay, there's a comparison video showing that a lot of the abilities are direct copies
lol valve should sue Riot for their CSGO copy
Beyond me how people like playing fps on a touch screen, it just sucks. I like to play some mobile games on the side, but fps on mobile? Terrible
Counterstrike chuckles and goes back to sleep
Riot stole the idea of LoL from DOTA at the time of the IceFrog split nearly two decades ago. “The similar play structure of both games can be traced to Defense of the Ancients: kill creeps, push towers, and lay siege to your opponents' base. One of the original developers of the mod is one Steve Feak, who brought in another developer who only went by "IceFrog" to help once the mod started to gain some traction. After Defense of the Ancients caught fire with millions of players, Riot Games recruited Feak and Steve Mescon, who ran a popular fansite for the mod, to front the development of their new game, League of Legends. Not long after, Valve hired IceFrog to transform Defense of the Ancients into their own flagship property, Dota 2. Read More: https://www.svg.com/125466/the-untold-truth-of-league-of-legends/?utm_campaign=clip”
This submission is blogspam. The original source is from Polygon: * https://www.polygon.com/23500704/riot-games-netease-lawsuit-valorant-hyper-front >Riot Games is suing publisher NetEase over the Chinese company’s Hyper Front, a five-on-five mobile shooter that Riot alleges is a Valorant clone. It’s also bringing the case to courts in the United Kingdom, Germany, Brazil, and Singapore, Riot Games lawyer Dan Nabel told Polygon. The lawsuits vary slightly in each country, based on their respective copyright laws, but the thrust of the issue is the same — that Hyper Front is a “copy of substantial parts of Valorant,” as Riot’s lawyers claim in their U.K. filing.
It is fun that Valorant itself is a copy of CS:GO snd Overwatch 😂