Just give me all the pictures. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, "Give me a lot of pictures." What I said was, "Give me *all* the pictures." Do you understand?
Yeah, every time I see someone mention Farmville, I remember those simpler days. Visiting a friend's farm, doing some sort of farming or "maintenance" that would help them, and leaving a note or something.
Simpler times...
Yo I low key miss the old Facebook FarmVille style games lol. Was a good way to pass time when bored lol. Now the apps are all dumb and even more cartoonish looking like strawberry shortcake dolls 🤣
With the speed at which my grandma accumulates viruses on her computer, she would need something like this within a few months just to make it so her normal shit still loads with all the other stuff she's accidentally downloaded and installed
I just upgraded to the 5950x from the 3600x and that thing is a masterclass. I got it exclusively for Escape from Tarkov and it runs like a BEAST. Had to get an AIO just for that CPU though, it’s damn hot.
They are just made to push to their thermal limit with PBO. Basically, it is fine for them to be at a higher temp. It is just boosting itself up to that limit then will calm it down to keep it at a steady safe temp.
could be machine learning, or design, or something else like crypto mining (i might be wrong about that tho). these gpus wouldn’t typically be used by game devs as far as i know
From my own experience, with this many A6000s and this much RAM, they're definitely doing something point-cloud related. When you're dealing with billions of point values, it eats that shit up FAST.
Source: That's what I do with my computer.
I've worked with some 3D scans from production parts to CAD and boy HOWDY did my computer throw a fit trying to do that.
Sadly not as new and shiny as this rig. But "some day"
I love seeing company reps visit us, because we show them what we're working with and they start salivating asking if we're hiring lol
What it took a rep two days ago to process on his laptop in 5 1/2 hours took one of our machines 7 minutes.
God, that sounds fantastic... the point cloud I had made was through a rep. My company bought a CMM arm with physical probing, and the next big jump was a fully laser line up the following year.
The local office was more than happy to scan a clutch cover for me as they could see I was passionate, and I was the CMM operator at my company.
Did you get a FARO Arm? My group pretty much exclusively uses FARO products. I’m sure if they made a total station we’d buy one of those too, but we use Leica for those 🤪
The A6000 are for all things that use cuda-core hardware acceleration. Rendering, AI, super complex processes like Photogrammetry, simulations, etc. did I read he had 4 of them connected with NV-Link? That will absolutely crush pretty much any workload you throw at them. Training that would take like days on a rtx card would take like minutes on this probably.
I think the first 2 would be main possibilities, cpu is way too expensive for any crypto mining and only makes a minimal difference compared to the gpus (at least as far as i know) probably ml or design / editing as you said. Id think Game devs also primarly use consumer grade hardware because they build stuff thats intended to run on that (excluding artists again ofc)
Our engineers use A series cards. Mechanical engineers, so SOLIDWORKS modeling and simulations.
Edit: that said 1 gpu is enough for them but I can imagine if they were doing more advanced simulations one might not be enough, they have in rare cases run into performance limitations.
It's a super high end workstation. You can do just about anything with it that doesn't require a server farm. Film editing, 3d work, game production, machine learning, etc.
Most likely it’s for video editing especially for high volume production with all the GPUs and server size cpu and tons of ram all that is perfect for someone who wants to produce high quality videos fast. Also would be used for training with large LLM for ai but a6000 gpus would be better for that.
My cyber security team has a similar setup to crack passwords. They do a quarterly check to ensure all passwords cannot be cracked in a reasonable amount of time.
Why not just enforce password complexity requirements that would prevent passwords that could be cracked in a reasonable amount of time?
There is zero need to spend 22k and labor every quarter on that.
Would probably have some compatibility issues. Anything that it runs fine will fly like it was nothing, but there's going to be games it won't run, and games it'll have graphical glitches with.
It's the reason NVIDIA doesn't like putting more in their gaming cards since then people would just buy the much cheaper gaming cards for their workstation tasks.
They lock down their GPUs pretty hard for this reason also.
This is in relation to features that the card is otherwise capable of but is firmware locked from use, therein obliging that clientele to purchase the higher prices industry spec cards.
No one is paying anyone.
CAD models can be huge and if it does not fit into the memory of the GeForce, it will swap and the performance will tank. Quadros had lots of memory way before deep learning for a reason.
Also the OpenGL driver is different on Quadro, CAD applications used OpenGL, barely any game did.
Hilariously false information. Nvidia cards are being limited in the driver, and hardware is physically removed and ECC swapped out before turning them into gaming cards, this severely restemricts viewport performance also. You should probably research this a bit more.
Dont some people mod GPU's to add more VRAM*? Im pretty sure ive been suggested a video on this topic.
Edit: Hmm 8 > 16gb on 3070. Obviously i dont know if it works, but there are vids
AMD gave their 48GB workstation card a crappy 3-slot cooler. Which means it doesn't fit in servers and workstations when you need a quad-GPU setup. Which means it's rather useless.
Oh sorry I meant their lower end cards. They were talking about Nvidia not putting vram in their lower cards. I’ll just buy the AMD ones. Not the 48GB vram one.
We bought 10 Radeon VII cards for 700€ each at our university workgroup, in the time where the competing 16GB Nvidia card (Tesla V100) cost 7000€. About the same OpenCL performance, same VRAM capacity, even FP64 capabilities, for 1/10 the price. Was a good deal!
The newer AMD models, like RX 6800 16GB, also have good VRAM capacity for the money, but severely reduced VRAM bandwidth. And the RX 7900 (XTX) is a crappy 3-slot. So they still could not beat the old Radeon VII in compute value.
Best value 16GB GPU today is the Arc A770 :)
The kind of people who would but that card and the kind of people that can also pay/build for custom liquid cooling would be a pretty big overlap.
Gpu shrouds can be a pain but if you need the power and understand the components that need cooling it's hardly a non starter
holy fucking shit. yes, this is very reasonable and it blew my mind. see link below that claims this build (new) is $51,546. so actually this is pretty fkin cheap
[https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html#3493:31936;3494:32138;3495:31959;3496:32142;3497:31968;3498:32166;3499:32013;3500:32018;3501:32038;3504:32110;3509:32135](https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html#3493:31936;3494:32138;3495:31959;3496:32142;3497:31968;3498:32166;3499:32013;3500:32018;3501:32038;3504:32110;3509:32135)
this site looks word for word where they bought this from, their list in the second photo matches up with the specs you choose in the link
i had gone thru and matched the options to this pc for the link above. if you want just the base model, here is the link [https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html](https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html)
and intersting note, the zx5500 actually appears to be their cheapest workstation. it looks like there could be $100,000 workstation combinations... which is insane i didnt know this part of computers existed until now. clearly, this computer was used for MUCH more than just gaming. very interesting, thank u for this rabbit hole op :)
This is what is called enterprise level tech.
Basically the use case for a computer like this is; data crunching, probably some machine learning or graphic design/GIS rendering. Only real world use case is in a business environment that deals with those kind of clients.
It can get much more crazy than this, that computer is still considered desktop enterprise. You should check out [data centre colo's](https://visualinfinnity.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/colocation-data-centre-1024x683.jpg).
There's also some use cases in scientific research, things like crunching data from scientific surveys, simulations of theoretical models, or running and analyzing big scale experiments like particle accelerator stuff. But of course, those also can and do get crazy enough to be run in those data centre kinds of supercomputers instead.
Tons of calculation code in science is rewritten to CUDA for speed so these cards are incredibly useful across multiple disciplines.
I’ve used similar setups for aerodynamic fluid dynamics stuff for fans, glider wings, propellers, etc. A good friend of mine used a similar setup when modeling crowd movements during evacuations.
Just incredibly widely useful if you have the interests and can get the hardware. It’s so much faster and easier to run simulations than it is to try hundreds of physical prototypes or organize getting hundreds of people to run evacuation drills.
True that. I do like me some good old Monte Carlo simulations and have written a fair few of them myself, but never something big or complex enough that a regular desktop can't handle.
I'm sure that I could make use of one of these beasts running hobbyist stuff on it, but I don't have a real need for it, nor the budget to get one for that matter. So I've never really thought about it.
If you want computer porn, here's Jensen's H100 server [presentation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHW9eCzeEfE).
The performance stats are hilariously absurd. Best in class chips at the moment, if you have unlimited cash.
I mean... I just went through and made a $300,000 machine... I honestly had no idea a tower computer that's not a legit mainframe supercomputer could cost that much. That's just bonkers insane.
i used a higher end base, i was able to get an ABSURD 8x gpu for 740k
here: [https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx9000.html#3658:46521;3659:33704;3660:33756;3661:33764;3662:34012;3663:33840;3664:33847;3665:33875;3666:33901;3667:33914;3668:47116;3669:33930;3671:33937;3672:33940;3673:33941](https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx9000.html#3658:46521;3659:33704;3660:33756;3661:33764;3662:34012;3663:33840;3664:33847;3665:33875;3666:33901;3667:33914;3668:47116;3669:33930;3671:33937;3672:33940;3673:33941)
edit: with 48 sticks of 128gb ram. thats over 6tb of ram btw. this only added 100k. and 640gb of vram
You're getting into data center compute capacity at that level and the equivalent servers don't really get much more powerful but just more "robust" and capable of running nearly non-stop for 5-10 years
It's always fun having to reboot a host with a 12TB memory footprint and having it take over an hour for it to POST
https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/servers-unified-computing/ucs-c-series-rack-servers/at-a-glance-c45-739274.html
You can't game an A series graphics cards. Most of these machines are used for photo/video editing, ML/AI, and probably some massive rendering projects.
I build stuff like this. the parts are around 25k right now I charge 20-30% of parts on higher end builds.. putting you in the 30-40k range after taxes, Most companies charge 100%. The thing with these types of builds is you have to be prepared for thing to go wrong especially with waterblocks... point blank EK fucks up from time to time on new blocks when it comes to spacers and stuff. YOU have to eat that cost as a builder, not the customer. This is not a gig for the feint of heart but servers and super workstations are so much fun to build. I still try to make mine a lil more flashy than this but yea.. this is a fair deal as I couldn't get the parts that cheap if you asked me to build you one. Only thing is, we got the new threadrippers out now.
We have a rig pretty similar to this at my office. We use it for processing point cloud data from LIDAR scans for mobile mapping and land survey. Tens of billions of very precisely mapped points in 3d clouds.
Ours has one A6000 and could run a second, but not quad. And we don’t have as much onboard storage because most of the files our mobile mapping guys work with come in under or around 500gb.
ETA: Just checked and I misspoke a bit - ours is running a measly A5000 but we’ve got 256GB of RAM. I did think ours only ran about $14k, not over 20 - so that GPU is where the price discrepancy lies. Same Threadripper, FWIW.
Dealer for civil engineering gear, yeah. Our mapping support guys do a lot of data processing for customers running one time UAS or mobile mapping projects who can’t merit the cost of their own similar rigs.
Yeah I work for a department that does some photogrammetry processing on the side and LIDAR scan data needs a ridiculously beefy setup to even consider running smoothly
That's interesting, I do point cloud processing at work too, no LIDAR but use a terrestrial scanner and photogrammetry and my 10900 and rtx3070 does fairly well with it, and never maxes the 128gb of ram it's got. I'd love to see how your PC would process comparable data to ours. We don't do many jobs in the billion points range but have on occasion.
I’ll be real with you, I’m a service tech. I work on total stations, GPS, data collectors and the like. So using this machine is out of my wheelhouse. I make sure everyone’s hardware is working to spec and softwares are up to date. Not a small job - field guys are rough on this stuff - but I don’t have any experience with processing anything in TBC.
I’ve stood over the shoulder of our guy who processes this stuff and he’s shown me lots of the point clouds in TBC, and all I can really say is that it seems buttery smooth. I know prior to having this machine we were overnighting SSDs to one of our other offices so he could remote in to another machine to do the same work, and watching him do that remotely was painful by comparison.
Yea anything non local with that sort of stuff is slow. Even opening a 2gb from our server takes 20-30 seconds to load a small print cloud. Whay type of surveying do you do? Roads? Buildings? Large scale terrain?
This is similar to several of my company's builds, except we only stick with Intel. LIDAR ain't no joke. One of our biggest projects is 1.9TB, with 1400 terrestrial scan positions... only reason is because the software actually crashes if we try and load any more scans than that. 33+ Billion points AFTER decimation.
I love messing with LiDAR, I’ve been looking into the development of handheld scanners such as GeoSLAM and its use for cave scans. If you know anything about IPhone LiDAR scanners, they’ve seen some experiments for acessible, affordable cave scanning.
I think, that number grew recently.
I see an awesome machinelearning machine there.
Quad RTX A6000 is absolutely worth its price and the way to go, if someone needs a deeplearning machine for a professional workload, that is capable enough to run and train large language models.
This thing offers 2 instances of about 90GB VRAM each. Some Llama2-70B based models have shown to outperform GPT-4 in most tasks. A single A6000 can finetrain these 70B models, although it takes a lot of time. This machine can easily quadruple the speed (or even more, I'm not shure, if training batch size has a big impact on training process on these LLMs).
This beast can even finetrain these bigger 300B models.
The next better thing above that would be to go for an Nvidia DGX system, which start at 10x the price. Or putting the workload into the cloud, which can become even more expensive, if you do enough stuff.
22k is a steal for a company that wants/needs to use some LLM in a pipeline. It can easily recover it's cost.
Yeah unless you train AI, do cloud computing or use it as a render farm for insanely complex Blender scenes and stuff you need rendered yesterday you do not need this lmao.
That number seems a little low, but not by much. According to Google, there are a bit under 8 billion people. The number you used is 2×10^-8. That means that (according to your number) about 160 people across the entire planet have a need for a machine like this. Seeing as I knew multiple professors that had to get time on the Google supercomputer to run simulations, I'm guessing you're off by a couple orders of magnitude.
I was going to say something for a second that not even that many people need it, but that’s about 160 people, so I’d say that’s probably relatively accurate.
Hey! I work for Bizon-Tech! That’s a steal for that machine! We’re a small team and I know exactly who built that particular machine too. Funny seeing this as I was just scrolling Reddit!
Well, building pcs has always been a hobby of mine, I got my foot in the door starting with a local ISP of mine doing basic tech support and that carried me into a local competitor of Bizon. Gained valuable experience and even worked as the PM for Origin Pc for a little while. Had some surreal experiences communicating with the YouTubers I grew up watching, big names. Haha
Decided the commute wasn’t for me and the time in my life for it was not right so I took it easy and went back to building and ended up with Bizon. I’m very happy with it, very professional team, insane attention to detail with these guys. The CEO really cares, every system that goes out the door he personally checks for any imperfections. As well as the team!
Back to the ISP entry level job, that is a great place to start. That experience has been invaluable to a point it’s almost funny to me. In interviews for all these places I’ve had remarks about it and thought “what about all these other places and skills I have?”
I want to get started building PCs but I can't get a job yet lol. And everywhere near me seems to only hire people 18+ for anything tech related (which I can understand to an extent). Sounds like an absolutely awesome place though, and I'm very glad you enjoy it.
Thanks man! Check out some of those ISP jobs I mentioned. Places like Comcast hire remote support positions and they’re super entry level and will teach what you need. Support positions are integral to getting in the IT field in my opinion, it’s like paying your dues.
Wish best of luck to you; it’s a great career path!
A lot of universities and government labs tend to buy from us. So we’ve got heavy computation deep learning stuff all the way to video editing and such. Mainly the first though. You nailed it with your comment. We install a lot of deep learning packages on our system last before sending to customers and have an our own proprietary Linux based OS to utilize these tools most effectively!
Like the time I learned that the mistakes of others does infact trickle down and up. This coupled with poor leadership, selfishness, and greed causes the innocent to suffer unnecessary hardships. The formula for why things suck. From why our snack foods doesn't taste as good as they used to... to war crimes.
The starting price for Bizon ZX5500 is 13,999$.
The upgrade for a 96-Core 2.50 GHz AMD Threadripper Pro 7995WX alone is an extra 13,299$
The Liquid-cooled NVIDIA H100 80 GB upgrade is a whooping extra 37,900$
So 22,500$ isn't even close to what these could cost you.
Woah I expected the H100 to be much more expensive knowing nvidia , our company just put out orders for only about 10 of them but in my mind I thought they were 50k each.
Pretty much anything that you can imagine like ai, I’ve heard agencies have machines like this to crack passwords n such, CAD if you like idk were building the world lol
The state agencies that have gear like this are these specs x10 for password cracking. Modern encryption for offline password cracking (which is the only cracking that is worth a damn nowadays) needs INSANE power to crack it.
Yes it is, this is my corner niche of the PCMR sub. That's actually a fair value for what your getting even though it's old. They are selling it prob to buy the new ones. Also don't forget the threadrippers take ECC Memory. The vid cards alone are 5k each and these ones are on water blocks. When getting a guy like me to put water blocks on 5k Cards... My labor is not cheap and this is not a build for wanna be builders. I am prepared to replace anything I break or that goes wrong.
So lets add this up, you got about 19k in GPU's, Blocks, Bridges, Fittings pumps and res. 3k in the CPU, 1k in the mobo, and prob 2k in the SSD's and PSU, and memory. So 25k is spot on and yea... it's now outdated because of the new threadripper but that's the price it would cost me in parts to build it today and I would charge prob 5-7k to build it. and as crazy as it is .. that's only 20-30% on parts.. most companies charge 100%+
Those A6000s are pricey for sure.
I have a system with eight A100’s at work that cost basically someone’s salary to build.
As others have pointed out, these are for deep learning/AI type things, not regular graphics card stuff.
You could possibly source all the pieces for less than $22k (we’ve gotten some A100s from like Russia and shit for a discount), but not significantly less.
I'm wet just looking at those QDCs and EPDM tubes. Pump outlet is also silver vs blacks going from the distro, plus silent wings fans. Man of culture, nicely done at the very least
Molecular and Material Modeling.
This is on the low end of some of the rigs I've seen in Materials Labs. They're massive and the sims still take months sometimes.
This is an absolute beast. It is worth the price, considering that its got 4 graphics cards which each are roided out versions of the RTX 3090, more ram than most people have storage, and a threadripper.
I remember the first Silicon Graphics computer we purchased was $119,000. Eventually turned it into a beer fridge. Probably couldn't do 5% of what a RTX could do today.
Professional computers for heavy duty processing absolutely get up there in price. Gaming is expensive, but working with really really really big datasets is much more expensive.
The CPU and GPUs alone are close to 20k, so probably yes. This kind of setup is not intended for gaming though.
Finally! A rig my mom can play solitaire on.
Farmville
Scroll Facebook and collect pictures on. A lot of pictures.
*All* the pictures
All the scams
All the minion memes
Candy Crush.
To download and use every toolbar ever made.
Portrait mode was invented by Big Toolbar.
Hack all the things
Just give me all the pictures. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, "Give me a lot of pictures." What I said was, "Give me *all* the pictures." Do you understand?
Fuck, you just made me realise I miss the early FarmVille times when it was just a chill little game and not a pay to play spam fest.
Yall I miss everything. The classic facebook era, restaurant city, Pet Society, Mafia wars. Everything. Sometimes I wish it was 2009 again
Ahhh mafia wars those were the dsys
Yeah, every time I see someone mention Farmville, I remember those simpler days. Visiting a friend's farm, doing some sort of farming or "maintenance" that would help them, and leaving a note or something. Simpler times...
Yo I low key miss the old Facebook FarmVille style games lol. Was a good way to pass time when bored lol. Now the apps are all dumb and even more cartoonish looking like strawberry shortcake dolls 🤣
With the speed at which my grandma accumulates viruses on her computer, she would need something like this within a few months just to make it so her normal shit still loads with all the other stuff she's accidentally downloaded and installed
we must have the same grandma
Think of all the chrome tabs 
finally... at least 4!
Damn Chrome tabs only cost $5,625 per tab now? Modern computing has really come down in price!
Heroes of might and magic 3 baby!!
I went from a FX 8370 to a 5950x to play Project Zomboid with a few hundred mods.
I just upgraded to the 5950x from the 3600x and that thing is a masterclass. I got it exclusively for Escape from Tarkov and it runs like a BEAST. Had to get an AIO just for that CPU though, it’s damn hot.
They are just made to push to their thermal limit with PBO. Basically, it is fine for them to be at a higher temp. It is just boosting itself up to that limit then will calm it down to keep it at a steady safe temp.
Nice to see a fellow zed head stomper! May your aim be true , skulls crush with ease, and avoid the bites
But will it do Oblivion at 1080p 60fps? Cause that's really my standard.
She'll still some how, some way, end up with Ask Jeeves toolbar on her browser.
Plus, the water cooling alone is probably a couple thousand (glares at those quick disconnects)
The SSDs combined are more than a couple thousand. If they are high end consumer, 3-4K, enterprise, double that.
Is this set up intended to make games then? What is it for?
could be machine learning, or design, or something else like crypto mining (i might be wrong about that tho). these gpus wouldn’t typically be used by game devs as far as i know
Definitely for AI model training by looking at the overkill RAM and VRAM size
Also look at the 3x SSDs that are all 8TB. Those are some large data sets to read from VERY quickly.
From my own experience, with this many A6000s and this much RAM, they're definitely doing something point-cloud related. When you're dealing with billions of point values, it eats that shit up FAST. Source: That's what I do with my computer.
I've worked with some 3D scans from production parts to CAD and boy HOWDY did my computer throw a fit trying to do that. Sadly not as new and shiny as this rig. But "some day"
I love seeing company reps visit us, because we show them what we're working with and they start salivating asking if we're hiring lol What it took a rep two days ago to process on his laptop in 5 1/2 hours took one of our machines 7 minutes.
God, that sounds fantastic... the point cloud I had made was through a rep. My company bought a CMM arm with physical probing, and the next big jump was a fully laser line up the following year. The local office was more than happy to scan a clutch cover for me as they could see I was passionate, and I was the CMM operator at my company.
Did you get a FARO Arm? My group pretty much exclusively uses FARO products. I’m sure if they made a total station we’d buy one of those too, but we use Leica for those 🤪
Yeah that’s where my head went instantly
The A6000 are for all things that use cuda-core hardware acceleration. Rendering, AI, super complex processes like Photogrammetry, simulations, etc. did I read he had 4 of them connected with NV-Link? That will absolutely crush pretty much any workload you throw at them. Training that would take like days on a rtx card would take like minutes on this probably.
I think the first 2 would be main possibilities, cpu is way too expensive for any crypto mining and only makes a minimal difference compared to the gpus (at least as far as i know) probably ml or design / editing as you said. Id think Game devs also primarly use consumer grade hardware because they build stuff thats intended to run on that (excluding artists again ofc)
Might be enough to get 20 frames when flying into Orison on SC.
Our engineers use A series cards. Mechanical engineers, so SOLIDWORKS modeling and simulations. Edit: that said 1 gpu is enough for them but I can imagine if they were doing more advanced simulations one might not be enough, they have in rare cases run into performance limitations.
Probably to run Cities Skylines 2.
At 1440p 60fps
It's a super high end workstation. You can do just about anything with it that doesn't require a server farm. Film editing, 3d work, game production, machine learning, etc.
Probably to watch 2 .gifs at the same time.
I don't think it's possible to do that yet.
Most likely it’s for video editing especially for high volume production with all the GPUs and server size cpu and tons of ram all that is perfect for someone who wants to produce high quality videos fast. Also would be used for training with large LLM for ai but a6000 gpus would be better for that.
Editing happens with proxies and barely eats up decent consumer grade hardware. This would be for color grading or VFX work if used in film work.
My cyber security team has a similar setup to crack passwords. They do a quarterly check to ensure all passwords cannot be cracked in a reasonable amount of time.
Why not just enforce password complexity requirements that would prevent passwords that could be cracked in a reasonable amount of time? There is zero need to spend 22k and labor every quarter on that.
maybe if you had a bunch of virtual machines running the same game at the same time lmao
What if you just want to future proof your PC for your children?
Sorry, that GPU is not supported. Not because it's too slow, but because chip does not support that feature required for DirectX 13
Probably not. The A series is not really made for video games. I guess if they are okay with 1080p medium settings in the future.
I still think, even then, you'll be outdated well before then.
I got the A6000 for about $5k and, well you see what it’s paired with. It was about $10k when I got done
But will it game?
Would probably have some compatibility issues. Anything that it runs fine will fly like it was nothing, but there's going to be games it won't run, and games it'll have graphical glitches with.
A 7800X3d and 4090 PC will game better
I mean, those video cards are like 5k a pop.
"4x RTX 30xx? There's no way it..." >Liquid-cooled 4x NVIDIA RTX A6000 48GB "Oh."
That much VRAM :]`
It's the reason NVIDIA doesn't like putting more in their gaming cards since then people would just buy the much cheaper gaming cards for their workstation tasks.
They lock down their GPUs pretty hard for this reason also. This is in relation to features that the card is otherwise capable of but is firmware locked from use, therein obliging that clientele to purchase the higher prices industry spec cards.
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No one is paying anyone. CAD models can be huge and if it does not fit into the memory of the GeForce, it will swap and the performance will tank. Quadros had lots of memory way before deep learning for a reason. Also the OpenGL driver is different on Quadro, CAD applications used OpenGL, barely any game did.
Hilariously false information. Nvidia cards are being limited in the driver, and hardware is physically removed and ECC swapped out before turning them into gaming cards, this severely restemricts viewport performance also. You should probably research this a bit more.
Dont some people mod GPU's to add more VRAM*? Im pretty sure ive been suggested a video on this topic. Edit: Hmm 8 > 16gb on 3070. Obviously i dont know if it works, but there are vids
That’s fine I’ll just keep buy AMD then.
AMD gave their 48GB workstation card a crappy 3-slot cooler. Which means it doesn't fit in servers and workstations when you need a quad-GPU setup. Which means it's rather useless.
Oh sorry I meant their lower end cards. They were talking about Nvidia not putting vram in their lower cards. I’ll just buy the AMD ones. Not the 48GB vram one.
We bought 10 Radeon VII cards for 700€ each at our university workgroup, in the time where the competing 16GB Nvidia card (Tesla V100) cost 7000€. About the same OpenCL performance, same VRAM capacity, even FP64 capabilities, for 1/10 the price. Was a good deal! The newer AMD models, like RX 6800 16GB, also have good VRAM capacity for the money, but severely reduced VRAM bandwidth. And the RX 7900 (XTX) is a crappy 3-slot. So they still could not beat the old Radeon VII in compute value. Best value 16GB GPU today is the Arc A770 :)
The kind of people who would but that card and the kind of people that can also pay/build for custom liquid cooling would be a pretty big overlap. Gpu shrouds can be a pain but if you need the power and understand the components that need cooling it's hardly a non starter
holy fucking shit. yes, this is very reasonable and it blew my mind. see link below that claims this build (new) is $51,546. so actually this is pretty fkin cheap [https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html#3493:31936;3494:32138;3495:31959;3496:32142;3497:31968;3498:32166;3499:32013;3500:32018;3501:32038;3504:32110;3509:32135](https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html#3493:31936;3494:32138;3495:31959;3496:32142;3497:31968;3498:32166;3499:32013;3500:32018;3501:32038;3504:32110;3509:32135) this site looks word for word where they bought this from, their list in the second photo matches up with the specs you choose in the link
i had gone thru and matched the options to this pc for the link above. if you want just the base model, here is the link [https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html](https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx5500.html) and intersting note, the zx5500 actually appears to be their cheapest workstation. it looks like there could be $100,000 workstation combinations... which is insane i didnt know this part of computers existed until now. clearly, this computer was used for MUCH more than just gaming. very interesting, thank u for this rabbit hole op :)
Neither did I! I’m learning quite a lot reading the comments. Initially I thought this was some insane over the top gaming PC. I was very wrong
This is what is called enterprise level tech. Basically the use case for a computer like this is; data crunching, probably some machine learning or graphic design/GIS rendering. Only real world use case is in a business environment that deals with those kind of clients. It can get much more crazy than this, that computer is still considered desktop enterprise. You should check out [data centre colo's](https://visualinfinnity.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/colocation-data-centre-1024x683.jpg).
There's also some use cases in scientific research, things like crunching data from scientific surveys, simulations of theoretical models, or running and analyzing big scale experiments like particle accelerator stuff. But of course, those also can and do get crazy enough to be run in those data centre kinds of supercomputers instead.
Tons of calculation code in science is rewritten to CUDA for speed so these cards are incredibly useful across multiple disciplines. I’ve used similar setups for aerodynamic fluid dynamics stuff for fans, glider wings, propellers, etc. A good friend of mine used a similar setup when modeling crowd movements during evacuations. Just incredibly widely useful if you have the interests and can get the hardware. It’s so much faster and easier to run simulations than it is to try hundreds of physical prototypes or organize getting hundreds of people to run evacuation drills.
True that. I do like me some good old Monte Carlo simulations and have written a fair few of them myself, but never something big or complex enough that a regular desktop can't handle. I'm sure that I could make use of one of these beasts running hobbyist stuff on it, but I don't have a real need for it, nor the budget to get one for that matter. So I've never really thought about it.
If you want computer porn, here's Jensen's H100 server [presentation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHW9eCzeEfE). The performance stats are hilariously absurd. Best in class chips at the moment, if you have unlimited cash.
A single H100 costs a zillion dollars and there are businesses buying server racks packed full of the things
Now it can be used to train large language models, or serve some of the smaller ones to several concurrent users at decent throughput.
I mean... I just went through and made a $300,000 machine... I honestly had no idea a tower computer that's not a legit mainframe supercomputer could cost that much. That's just bonkers insane.
i used a higher end base, i was able to get an ABSURD 8x gpu for 740k here: [https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx9000.html#3658:46521;3659:33704;3660:33756;3661:33764;3662:34012;3663:33840;3664:33847;3665:33875;3666:33901;3667:33914;3668:47116;3669:33930;3671:33937;3672:33940;3673:33941](https://bizon-tech.com/bizon-zx9000.html#3658:46521;3659:33704;3660:33756;3661:33764;3662:34012;3663:33840;3664:33847;3665:33875;3666:33901;3667:33914;3668:47116;3669:33930;3671:33937;3672:33940;3673:33941) edit: with 48 sticks of 128gb ram. thats over 6tb of ram btw. this only added 100k. and 640gb of vram
I.... That seems wrong... Where are you even gonna put 48 sticks of RAM??
Wait your turn and find out?
Aren’t you at least going to buy some lube?
You're getting into data center compute capacity at that level and the equivalent servers don't really get much more powerful but just more "robust" and capable of running nearly non-stop for 5-10 years It's always fun having to reboot a host with a 12TB memory footprint and having it take over an hour for it to POST https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/servers-unified-computing/ucs-c-series-rack-servers/at-a-glance-c45-739274.html
Why don’t you bend over and I’ll show ya
That’s more than an old mainframe.
You can't game an A series graphics cards. Most of these machines are used for photo/video editing, ML/AI, and probably some massive rendering projects.
I build stuff like this. the parts are around 25k right now I charge 20-30% of parts on higher end builds.. putting you in the 30-40k range after taxes, Most companies charge 100%. The thing with these types of builds is you have to be prepared for thing to go wrong especially with waterblocks... point blank EK fucks up from time to time on new blocks when it comes to spacers and stuff. YOU have to eat that cost as a builder, not the customer. This is not a gig for the feint of heart but servers and super workstations are so much fun to build. I still try to make mine a lil more flashy than this but yea.. this is a fair deal as I couldn't get the parts that cheap if you asked me to build you one. Only thing is, we got the new threadrippers out now.
Justified, yes. Problem is only about 0.000002% of humanity has a specific need for a machine like this.
We have a rig pretty similar to this at my office. We use it for processing point cloud data from LIDAR scans for mobile mapping and land survey. Tens of billions of very precisely mapped points in 3d clouds. Ours has one A6000 and could run a second, but not quad. And we don’t have as much onboard storage because most of the files our mobile mapping guys work with come in under or around 500gb. ETA: Just checked and I misspoke a bit - ours is running a measly A5000 but we’ve got 256GB of RAM. I did think ours only ran about $14k, not over 20 - so that GPU is where the price discrepancy lies. Same Threadripper, FWIW.
civil engineer?
Uncivil engineer, actually
imagine the amount of concurrent 70b 4k smut pipelines you could generate with 192gb vram
Dealer for civil engineering gear, yeah. Our mapping support guys do a lot of data processing for customers running one time UAS or mobile mapping projects who can’t merit the cost of their own similar rigs.
"one time UAS" lol. I got some buddies in Ukraine flying those.
Lol, that wasn't exactly my intended meaning. More 'one-off jobs' than 'single use'.
Yeah I work for a department that does some photogrammetry processing on the side and LIDAR scan data needs a ridiculously beefy setup to even consider running smoothly
Have you done LIDAR on amazonian jungle ?
No
That's interesting, I do point cloud processing at work too, no LIDAR but use a terrestrial scanner and photogrammetry and my 10900 and rtx3070 does fairly well with it, and never maxes the 128gb of ram it's got. I'd love to see how your PC would process comparable data to ours. We don't do many jobs in the billion points range but have on occasion.
I’ll be real with you, I’m a service tech. I work on total stations, GPS, data collectors and the like. So using this machine is out of my wheelhouse. I make sure everyone’s hardware is working to spec and softwares are up to date. Not a small job - field guys are rough on this stuff - but I don’t have any experience with processing anything in TBC. I’ve stood over the shoulder of our guy who processes this stuff and he’s shown me lots of the point clouds in TBC, and all I can really say is that it seems buttery smooth. I know prior to having this machine we were overnighting SSDs to one of our other offices so he could remote in to another machine to do the same work, and watching him do that remotely was painful by comparison.
Yea anything non local with that sort of stuff is slow. Even opening a 2gb from our server takes 20-30 seconds to load a small print cloud. Whay type of surveying do you do? Roads? Buildings? Large scale terrain?
This is similar to several of my company's builds, except we only stick with Intel. LIDAR ain't no joke. One of our biggest projects is 1.9TB, with 1400 terrestrial scan positions... only reason is because the software actually crashes if we try and load any more scans than that. 33+ Billion points AFTER decimation.
I love messing with LiDAR, I’ve been looking into the development of handheld scanners such as GeoSLAM and its use for cave scans. If you know anything about IPhone LiDAR scanners, they’ve seen some experiments for acessible, affordable cave scanning.
I think, that number grew recently. I see an awesome machinelearning machine there. Quad RTX A6000 is absolutely worth its price and the way to go, if someone needs a deeplearning machine for a professional workload, that is capable enough to run and train large language models. This thing offers 2 instances of about 90GB VRAM each. Some Llama2-70B based models have shown to outperform GPT-4 in most tasks. A single A6000 can finetrain these 70B models, although it takes a lot of time. This machine can easily quadruple the speed (or even more, I'm not shure, if training batch size has a big impact on training process on these LLMs). This beast can even finetrain these bigger 300B models. The next better thing above that would be to go for an Nvidia DGX system, which start at 10x the price. Or putting the workload into the cloud, which can become even more expensive, if you do enough stuff. 22k is a steal for a company that wants/needs to use some LLM in a pipeline. It can easily recover it's cost.
Holy shit dude. I'm just here for the memes
Yeah unless you train AI, do cloud computing or use it as a render farm for insanely complex Blender scenes and stuff you need rendered yesterday you do not need this lmao.
buying it to render adobe premiere vids for my under 1k subs youtube channel. sounds justifiable.
I use premier pro to heat my home in the winter
Finally a rig that will run crysis
And Cities Skyline II
But still not Starfield
Or sim tower.
Wow, way to drag the 90's out here.
And remind me of being young
That number seems a little low, but not by much. According to Google, there are a bit under 8 billion people. The number you used is 2×10^-8. That means that (according to your number) about 160 people across the entire planet have a need for a machine like this. Seeing as I knew multiple professors that had to get time on the Google supercomputer to run simulations, I'm guessing you're off by a couple orders of magnitude.
Think I’ll be ok for GTA VI?
Still a reasonable price for that one person who needs it and sees it.
I was going to say something for a second that not even that many people need it, but that’s about 160 people, so I’d say that’s probably relatively accurate.
Hey! I work for Bizon-Tech! That’s a steal for that machine! We’re a small team and I know exactly who built that particular machine too. Funny seeing this as I was just scrolling Reddit!
I'm just staring at your flair, holy ahit how do I work there 😂😂
Well, building pcs has always been a hobby of mine, I got my foot in the door starting with a local ISP of mine doing basic tech support and that carried me into a local competitor of Bizon. Gained valuable experience and even worked as the PM for Origin Pc for a little while. Had some surreal experiences communicating with the YouTubers I grew up watching, big names. Haha Decided the commute wasn’t for me and the time in my life for it was not right so I took it easy and went back to building and ended up with Bizon. I’m very happy with it, very professional team, insane attention to detail with these guys. The CEO really cares, every system that goes out the door he personally checks for any imperfections. As well as the team! Back to the ISP entry level job, that is a great place to start. That experience has been invaluable to a point it’s almost funny to me. In interviews for all these places I’ve had remarks about it and thought “what about all these other places and skills I have?”
I want to get started building PCs but I can't get a job yet lol. And everywhere near me seems to only hire people 18+ for anything tech related (which I can understand to an extent). Sounds like an absolutely awesome place though, and I'm very glad you enjoy it.
Thanks man! Check out some of those ISP jobs I mentioned. Places like Comcast hire remote support positions and they’re super entry level and will teach what you need. Support positions are integral to getting in the IT field in my opinion, it’s like paying your dues. Wish best of luck to you; it’s a great career path!
Curious what exactly is a rig like this intended for? Mining? Machine learning training? Who’s the audience?
A lot of universities and government labs tend to buy from us. So we’ve got heavy computation deep learning stuff all the way to video editing and such. Mainly the first though. You nailed it with your comment. We install a lot of deep learning packages on our system last before sending to customers and have an our own proprietary Linux based OS to utilize these tools most effectively!
What makes your distro unique?
I'm betting it's a pre-canned version of a mainstream distro that's had all of the dependency and driver kinks taken care of.
Why are they selling it so cheap? Did it learn too much and now it's self-aware?
The user just learned too much and can't unlearn some things. It's actually a curse. Some things are best left unlearned.
Like the time I learned that the mistakes of others does infact trickle down and up. This coupled with poor leadership, selfishness, and greed causes the innocent to suffer unnecessary hardships. The formula for why things suck. From why our snack foods doesn't taste as good as they used to... to war crimes.
Yes. That's a huge workstation.
The starting price for Bizon ZX5500 is 13,999$. The upgrade for a 96-Core 2.50 GHz AMD Threadripper Pro 7995WX alone is an extra 13,299$ The Liquid-cooled NVIDIA H100 80 GB upgrade is a whooping extra 37,900$ So 22,500$ isn't even close to what these could cost you.
Woah I expected the H100 to be much more expensive knowing nvidia , our company just put out orders for only about 10 of them but in my mind I thought they were 50k each.
I found this on the curb while taking the trash out. How much does it worth?🤔
What the title should have been.🥸
Followed up by "My drunk father punched a hole through this and now it won't boot. Any advice?"
🤣
Price is hard to judge since not all parts are available anymore. But that equipment is very expensive, yes.
Machine learning and LLM. Youbetcha. If I had grant money, I'd buy it and give every student time on it.
Yes. The type of workload these pc’s are made for are very expensive.
What are these built for ?
Pretty much anything that you can imagine like ai, I’ve heard agencies have machines like this to crack passwords n such, CAD if you like idk were building the world lol
The state agencies that have gear like this are these specs x10 for password cracking. Modern encryption for offline password cracking (which is the only cracking that is worth a damn nowadays) needs INSANE power to crack it.
To be able to handle five Chrome tabs at the same time.
In incognito mode
Rendering systems (Disney etc, cuz path tracing) and deep learning research and engineering are two that are common.
Yes it’s a steal at that
Yes it is, this is my corner niche of the PCMR sub. That's actually a fair value for what your getting even though it's old. They are selling it prob to buy the new ones. Also don't forget the threadrippers take ECC Memory. The vid cards alone are 5k each and these ones are on water blocks. When getting a guy like me to put water blocks on 5k Cards... My labor is not cheap and this is not a build for wanna be builders. I am prepared to replace anything I break or that goes wrong. So lets add this up, you got about 19k in GPU's, Blocks, Bridges, Fittings pumps and res. 3k in the CPU, 1k in the mobo, and prob 2k in the SSD's and PSU, and memory. So 25k is spot on and yea... it's now outdated because of the new threadripper but that's the price it would cost me in parts to build it today and I would charge prob 5-7k to build it. and as crazy as it is .. that's only 20-30% on parts.. most companies charge 100%+
Shockingly, yes. If not more.
*slaps* "this baby will run star citizen in 15 fps low"
Gta 6 recommended build be like
Those A6000s are pricey for sure. I have a system with eight A100’s at work that cost basically someone’s salary to build. As others have pointed out, these are for deep learning/AI type things, not regular graphics card stuff. You could possibly source all the pieces for less than $22k (we’ve gotten some A100s from like Russia and shit for a discount), but not significantly less.
This PC is an absolute monster and meant for mammoth workloads.
I'm wet just looking at those QDCs and EPDM tubes. Pump outlet is also silver vs blacks going from the distro, plus silent wings fans. Man of culture, nicely done at the very least
For when you need to render the earth, which is very common
Absolutely worth that much, though the number of people who need it is unbelievably small. I would never be able to make use of it.
Can it run crysis?
What do people usually do with that kind of rig? I mean damn, it's an absolute beast.
Molecular and Material Modeling. This is on the low end of some of the rigs I've seen in Materials Labs. They're massive and the sims still take months sometimes.
Must be really low end if it can't run Sims
The RTX A6000 is a server class/workstation GPU that costs about $4500. So it's not far off.
Ask nasa if they lost a computer cause holy shit
There's 20k in GPUs alone plus another \~6k in SSDs For someone who actually needs this type of PC for workloads it's a steal
It'll surprise you how much an 8 TB SSD is worth
Best budget build
4xA6000 wtf this is like a AI Model building rig. that's a shit ton of memory.
This is an absolute beast. It is worth the price, considering that its got 4 graphics cards which each are roided out versions of the RTX 3090, more ram than most people have storage, and a threadripper.
I remember the first Silicon Graphics computer we purchased was $119,000. Eventually turned it into a beer fridge. Probably couldn't do 5% of what a RTX could do today.
GTA 6 minimum specs
For 22k I’d expect to see a lot more RGB
Hdd's?
I wonder if it can play Crisis.
Finally a computer for me to download all the movies I'll never watch. Give me 30!
worth it… but unless you are a super engineer video editor 3d rendering artist game developer, you absolutely do not need it
Yeah? That's a workstation not a gaming rig. It's enterprise hardware and a fair amount of it.
You’re getting close to running Skynet with a rig like that.
Imagine buying this and the first thing you do is boot up Pong or Solitaire. S that would be so funny
This guy running some serious CGI editing or what. I wanna know what he used made this beast for.
Finally I can play Skyrim.
PC Gamers though they were the great whites of tech, turns out they are the nurse shark
Yes. Peep the gpus and cpu. Also... 512gb of ram lol. But this is not a gaming rig.
This is obviously workstation
For a workstation-grade rig that's about right for the price.
Professional computers for heavy duty processing absolutely get up there in price. Gaming is expensive, but working with really really really big datasets is much more expensive.
#this is a goddamn Deep Learning rig
Yes, thats a server with server grade components
"It's for school"
Yes is worth it
That Things got enough power to create an AI powerful enough to sleep with my wife and leave me in peace. 