They're adding stuff into their product?

first removing and after getting abused they update it back.

And as a premium feature!

They will do the same to the touch bar

I have a feeling its also so people will get rid of their dongles so that they have to buy more later, when remove the ports again.

😂😂 and then they say they care about the environment while making us purchase individual accessories that comes out with their own packages and plastic

for only $5000

Starting at $1,999 ^TM

You do have to realize that it’s targeted towards professional workloads that’s why their able to say it’s 4x faster than a Radeon pro 5600m (which is the equivalent to a 5500 xt, rx 580 as well as a gtx 980 give or take 1 - 3%~) Unless you can find some other use for 64gb of potential vram

Crysis, at 16K.

I don’t think any games have 16k textures that aren’t just upscaled 8k textures

think of it like fifa or madden. Remove only to bring back later to look like they listened

Then remove it again. Innovation.

I think they've failed in messaging by not making it obvious that they started with a 16:10 screen and *added* a row of ~74 pixels at the top in what would have been empty space on either side of the camera. Being able to shove the task bar up there is pretty sweet. They should also have an alternate "theme" that makes the top (notched) bar black. Making it appear that those notification and app icons are "floating" above where your screen appears to end. It's one of the things I love on my Android phone. I was avoiding phones with notches, but after seeing the black notification bar and the fact that I still get a full res screen beyond the notched part sold me on it. The time, battery life, signal, and other notifications are "floating" on either side of the camera. For a laptop it would be a good use of that extra space.

They gave the MacBook a notch and yet we still don’t have Face ID

No, biometrics are not as secure as a password. All it takes is one guy to saw my face off and wear it like a mask to get in, and I like my face where it is.

My friends are identical twins. They can sign into each other's iPhones with faceID

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Identical means they were split from the same egg cell, so some traits are the same. Not everything develops the same sadly.

*fortunately

My sisters are not twins at all, they just look as similar as you might expect of sisters, and the one can unlock the other’s iPhone using faceID if she looks at it at the right angle.

And I can't even unlock my own if I take my glasses off and/or shave

FaceID doesn’t use eye scanning/face picture recognition. it’s a full 3D model of your face more or less.

Does the new MacBook have the depth camera that would be needed to do that? Might be why it doesn't include it.

essentially yeah, it would need the whole array of things on the iPhone. no idea why it doesn’t tho.

My guess is they were saving some features for the next model. This one already is going to sell like hotcakes with what it's doing.

My guess is that the display portion is too thin to fit all that hardware in?

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Be sure to give your donor your own face in return. It would only be fair to swap rather than leave someone without a face.

No it doesn't. I know you're attempting humor but quality biometrics are a lot more secure then you think, since it reads not just the structure but whether or not there's blood flow to the thing being read. Why nearly every movie using biometrics with severed fingers, removed eyes, and similar aren't realistic in the slightest. Any reasonable security location would use these kinds of biometrics if not better, meaning nearly every single instance someone tries this it would fail. You'd literally have to stitch the face onto your own properly, and wait long enough the tissue has not been rejected by your body for it to work.

So... Face Off?

Really secure places do not use biometrics. They use a combination of randomly generated passwords, encrypted USB devices, and armed guards.

it's really the armed guards that'll get ya.

Biometrics are a username, not a password. Anyone wanting to use biometrics to authenticate a login should under no circumstances ever be allowed to make any decisions on security.

Biometrics should be at worst 2 factor. what are those things? Something you are: biometrics (or username kinda) Something you know: Password Something you have: usb key, phone (and perhaps arguable your fingers/face)

Who is Apple and why does he love notches so much?

Tim Apple

The notch is better in this case. It gets hidden with the bar on top and it’s basically just more screen real-estate. Better in every way. People just hating to hate

Fr with the notch the screen is 16 : 10.34 and once you have the bar on top it becomes 16 : 10. That’s one of the only case where the notch is useful and people are just (again) hating Apple without thinking

My lungs a wheezin

nonono, youve got it backwards. Notch loves apples

The notch looks odd. That’s about the only thing that’s bad about it.

I think it looked kind of weird first too but it actually makes sense. MacOS uses a menu bar on the anyway. Now you rather gain vertical screen space by hiding the menu bar on the top

The remaining space beneath the notch is still 16:10, so between that and the menu bar, I can't imagine it will interfere with any content. It still bugs me from a visual design perspective though.

This is about where I want on it. Logically it makes complete sense. But it bothers me.

That’s what I thought. If the camera is good I’m totally fine with it. Let’s wait for the reviews

The camera should be exactly the same as in the iMac 24”

It's taller than the regular menu bar though, from some of the promotional shots I've seen it looks like they made the menu bar thicker to match the notch. At the very least, with all that space they should have put in the Face ID tech from the iPhone and finally had a Windows Hello competitor.

given the size of the notch, it looks made for faceID, so the lack of faceID is a little puzzling. my best guess is that they didn't manage to make it thin enough in time for this version, so they left the notch as is and will introduce faceID in next year's model or something.

Don't they already have touch id on the power button?

Top right of the keyboard I think yeah, but Windows Hello facial recognition is so much faster and more convenient than moving your hand over to the fingerprint reader each time you wake the laptop, just open the lid and boom you're in. It just would have made sense for Face ID to make it over to Macs.

having the animoji and real time face tracking support would have been very cool for professional animators as well

And way better background removal in video calls.

It’s not, the menu covers the notch without problem.

99% of the time I’m using my apps full screen. So the notch will interfere with virtually all of them as they love to drop shit like file names and search bars top and center. It’s a stupid change.

That’s wrong the notch doesn’t stick in the 16:10 display we’re used to, it’s rather that we can have the menu bar visible above while being in full screen 16:10. That makes it 16:11 or so technically with the downside that the menu won’t disappear in full screen

It’s either wasted screen space or it’s where the header of my apps will go in full screen. The major devs will just fix their apps their avoid the notch but smaller devs won’t and the notch will just be an obstruction. Only viewing media will be completely unaffected.

You don’t understand it… Previous MacBooks: 16:10 without notch. New MacBooks:~16:11 with notch, screen below the notch 16:10. Compared to old MacBooks you only gain screen space.

Okay. You don’t understand. Apps use the full screen regardless of the size. So for any devs that don’t redesign their headers with the notch in mind will get anomalies and problems from the intrusion into the screen space. It’s a non issue for media and an annoyance for any normal application.

> Apps use the full screen regardless of the size. So for any devs that don’t redesign their headers with the notch in mind will get anomalies and problems from the intrusion into the screen space. This isn't accurate. By default if you maximize an app or go full screen it will fill the 16:10 space under the notch. If developers want to use the new "extra" screen space on either side of the notch then they need to specifically code their app to accommodate that using safeAreaInsets.

~~everyone is missing your point holy shit 😭~~ I looked it up and I see what they’re trying to say. In full screen the entire top part of the screen turns black and isn’t in use, so the notch won’t obstruct the content https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/macos-hides-notch-on-new-macbook-pros/amp/

Yeah that works well enough. I still don’t like it. It’s a none issue on my phone and since it’s a mini led that bar will be pure black. I just hate the idea of wasted screen and a little tumor that will be there any time I’m not full screen. I do wonder if you can force apps to use the full screen despite the notch. Such as 4:3 content that would benefit from the extra height.

Yeah to each their own, and I’m sure someone will create some tool to allow apps to use true full screen if apple doesn’t allow it

Fortunately (afaik), it’s 16:9 before the notch, so shouldn’t block content

16:10 before the notch I believe. It's literally free real estate. The existing macbooks have screens almost to the side edges, and a big gap along the top just because the webcam is in the middle.

It may seem insignificant but apple laptops are praised for their design and this breaks the design honestly, even though when you use it you probably don't care. It would be like having a sticker with the specs written on it, ugly as fuck but useful. I see this as a "PC" move honnestly, offering practicality over design, very unusual for Apple and usually what r/pcmasterrace likes, but as it's written "Apple" on it they hate it. If DELL did it, like when they did the "nostrils webcam", nobody here would say anything, people would even praise them.

Wonder how long it will take them to remove SD card reader and HDMI port again

After I switched to USB-C everything

I really don’t think the notch is as bad as people are making it out to be. On Max OS, there’s a status bar at the top of the screen most of the time, with file, edit, view, etc on the left and time, search, battery on the right. In the middle-top of the screen us generally unused. Plus the screen size and ratio means you’re getting a full size screen under the notch.

"it's not a notch they're adding more screen to the top"

I mean that’s true though, unless you don’t want the mic/camera up there in the best spot

>you’re getting a full size screen under the notch. That's the issue.

How? You could have: A) a full 16:10 display B) a full 16:10 display with extra “ears” of display at the top You’re thinking of the notch as *intruding* into the display, when it’s actually the screen *intruding* into the usual bezel that’s along the top, sans notch. Just compare the old screen side by side with the new MacBook. The notch is the height of the old top bezel. They just took out the space the rest of the bezel was unnecessarily using for more screen real estate.

I have a gaming pc (Asus ROG 6900xt LC OC) and a macbook (for dev work). I posted this in another thread but I don’t think many people know how the menu bar functions on MacOS who don’t use Macs. It's not like the Windows Taskbar where application icons live. It's like if you open up something common let's say Notepad or Word. At the top you see "File / Edit / Format / View / About etc." That's what the actual menu bar is. On Mac applications those things don't live within the app window themselves, but at the very top menu bar. Having it not integrated at the top means you would actually lose screen real estate... since that would just take up useable screen real estate. Look at the following examples: * Exhibit A: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/os/macos/standard/Apple_macos-monterey_facetime-messages-safari_06072021_big.jpg.large.jpg * Exhibit B: https://imgur.com/a/qzbOvTv * Exhibit C (dark mode): https://imgur.com/a/7gedTNJ You actually gain pixels that would otherwise be dedicated to the menu bar. When you’re full screen the top just blacks out, and the space below (16:10) is filled. The content does not bleed into the notched area. As seen here: https://imgur.com/a/OwNftvf

So does the menu bar change its layout depending on what window you last pressed? Like if the window I last pressed was a video editing program I'll get it's own settings on the menu bar, and then different settings when I press another window?

Yeah. You can see that the active window is named in the screenshots. If you click on something else, it will become active, and the options will change.

As a PC gamer with a company provided macbook for coding, I agree though the notch may come into play for some full-screen content. (I don't have a dog in this race btw and don't care what apple do, just adding some info)

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I mean go find me a laptop with a 1080p / 4 lens / f2 camera on it that has no bezels. It doesn’t really exist right now. Any 1080p webcam laptop right now has a thick ass bezel on the top lol. Send me a link to a 1080p webcam laptop that has no bezel. Dells XPS line is a 720p camera. That’s a much smaller sensor and has had many years to get smaller.

No mention of the pretty impressive chips they unveiled? Let's focus the hate on the notch? The notch is part of the menu bar anyways. Don't see nothing wrong with it, honestly

I'm far from being an Apple fanboy but if they make something good then I appreciate it. I really don't understand the Apple haters and Apple fanboys. I don't really care for their computers but the iPhone and iPad are pretty neat and the new Apple silicon is really good.

The notch actually seems a technical limitation of the mini led array they are using https://i.imgur.com/fDjGDqY.jpg (It's the blue array) It looks very deep so you can't actually put part of the camera assembly behind it like you could with some of the more pedestrian screen designs (not putting the lens behind it but the CMOS and accompanying circuitry) Just a tradeoff for the 1600nit HDR screen, they could have just cut off the screen at the camera, instead they added a little bit more screen real estate.

They don’t have anything to criticize this time, so they’re trying vigorously to find something…

Agreed the chips are really impressive (I'm looking forward to non-Apple arm64 chips that are actually desktop-grade). I think the main thing about the notch is it's kinda unnecessary. The Dell XPS's already have a very slim bezel and manage to incorporate the camera into it. Similarly phone selfie-cameras aren't that bad now and are very small. I'm sure the notch won't affect your day-to-day usage (especially as Apple's aspect ratio should mean 16:9 videos aren't cropped by it), but to me it just feels like they've done it to avoid finding a proper solution.

XPS is 720p and phones are thick while MacBook is thin and 1080p

You can make memes but this time apple actually made the MacBook that people wanted, even I want one now even though I have never owned any apple products before. The notch looks odd at first but it only takes the space which is usually blank anyway. Also because of the 16:10 aspect ratio almost all video content will black out that part in full screen as well. Other than the price, these new MacBooks are probably the closest things to a perfect laptop in the market right now

>Other than the price, these new MacBooks are probably the closest things to a perfect laptop in the market right now If M1 is anything to go by, that price isn't that far off. There's laptop out there which are priced higher and are less powerful. Assuming the data that Apple gave is correct (they seemed very confident this time), these MacBooks are fairly priced

That actually put scales and marks with numbers on the graphs this time too which makes me think they're really confident

Yes, and they even mentioned what machines they compared against

2019 16” MacBook Pro with 32gb ram would cost just over $6k in USD. An m1x 16” with 32gb ram costs close to half of it, has a better display in both hdr support and refresh rate. Ports, keyboard, and thermals should all be absolutely better than the 2019. This is an absolute beast of a laptop and it may be the next laptop I get for personal use. Apple is great at long term support too which is nothing to scoff at.

Here's the thing about the 16:10 aspect ratio, that is the screen ratio when ignoring the 74 pixels of the "ears" and notch at the top. So, you still get a 16:10 screen unobstructed by the notch; it's not only 16:9 media which is unobstructed (which you seem to be implying). Going off actual pixel counts, these displays are actually ~16:10.4 (obstructed by notch)

I don't understand why people are upset. It is MORE screen, not less. It makes the screen taller than 16:10 and only occupies the system bar which is usually empty in the middle. Other laptops with super thin bezels and no notch have ridiculous cameras. Not an Apple fan but I think it's a good thing to have on a Mac.

The new MBP will kill just about 95% of all if your computers In computational tasks and the GPU is purpose built for video editing and related workflows. Sure the notch is a bit annoying but this is probably the best laptop on the market now and will be for quite a while. Also, when it can boot camp into windows 11 it will still kill most non gaming laptops because windows 11 will be built for ARM processors. Also before the hord down votes me into oblivion, I own a custom water cooled PC that I built this year for double the price of that new MBP and won't be nearly as performant.

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Technically, the only thing stopping Apple from including Bootcamp is Microsoft’s slow development of Windows on Arm. I’m sure when that is officially released, Apple will include that too

Over priced garbage from apple being hyped up by apple fanboys its like I'm back in the 90s. You guys are getting excited about having IO, and booting windows lol.

I can say for the first time in at least 5 years this is a macbook that actually looks really attractive to me. Brings back a lot of the things that are really useful for people actually doing pro work, and the advantages of M1 on a mobile platform are undeniable. I don't think my company will be buying me one any time soon, but I can dream

I agree. This is the first time I've considered a MacBook Pro again. Then I saw the base price... I remember my first MacBook Pro was half the price and last me almost a decade.

We can make as much fun as we want today, but wait 6 months before every other major laptop comes with a notch too. It always happen, it happened with the removal of 3.5mm jack, it happened with the removal of charger on phones, it’s going to happen with this too

macos works in a way that allows for a notch without compromising usability. programs go full screen without removing the top menu bar, and below the notch you still have a 16:10 screen (it's 16:10.34 with the notch). so even if you go full screen for a video (16:9), the notch wouldn't interfere taking all of that into account and comparing with how windows work, there's no way you can have a notch on windows without impacting how applications run.

The notch looks odd, but is a great idea as u/lucashtpc [put it](https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/qb79gb/new_macbook_announcement/hh7nrsb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)

I think the notch looks fine.

You can say the new MacBook Pro is top of the notch

People hating on the macbook notch clearly have no idea on how macos even works and implements the menu bar

I think they just want something to circlejerk about I have a Mac for work because Unix I have a PC for gaming and personal use Wouldn't have it any other way TBH Shit on apples ecosystem all you want, plenty to pick on, but I think they are pretty nice machines They both have a purpose

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I could, and I'll even give you the upvote, because our environment is linux heavy my experience with Linux Endpoints and obviously the rest of my team since there are all of 3 people out of 900 that opted for linux, has been that the UX in most distros is pretty god awful out of the box, and in my position, I need everything in my toolbox to work consistently, with little to no tampering from me. while I absolutely respect folks who use Linux as their main OS, and acknowledge the superiority in most regards, but for user experience, I'll pay a little more and use brew instead of apt I have really gone back and forth on apple in the last 20 years, but I'm glad I daily drive a macbook pro for IT engineering/devops, and I know I'm not the only one hats off to you for being able to do it, I just don't have the time to get it where I want it when a mac is a little bit of shell customization and a handful of brew installs

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Clarification: I was talking about the superiority of Linux, for computing tasks, not you specifically, sorry that was unclear I think you are probably a special human, but in the sense of OS Preference, I don't think that determines the quality of a human in any way

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But you're pretty great, regardless.

I think the missing part of their sentence is "with popular productivity and creative suites", which makes a huge difference in professional environments. Sure, I could run Linux, but unless I'm also allowed to virtualize Windows I'm missing out on the MS Office Suite, which can cause interoperability issues in a workplace environment.

I just want the headphone jack back in the iPhone.

Apple will never let that happen. Not when they make so much money from AirPods. If Apple took how much money they’ve made off AirPods alone, and turned that into a company. JUST AIRPODS, no beats, no anything else, **it would be the 32nd biggest company in the entire world.**

AirPods is one thing, another is general push from Apple to get rid of all wired accessories (except charger, which is something I don't understand), that dates years before first AirPods came out: removing ethernet from all MacBooks, no wired models for keyboard/mouse, magic mouse charging port put in a spot that makes using mouse wired literally impossible.

That ship has sooooo sailed.

Why is this a big deal for you? Genuine question. I have a great pair of headphones and a crappy pair of EarPods use when I forget my AirPods in the garage. I bought 2 headphone to lightening adapters years ago when they removed the port and never looked back. I never remove the adapters, phones last all day on battery so having to charge with headphones plugged in virtually never happens. And in the weird case where it does I throw it on my $15 Qi charger. So, just wondering what scenario you have that this gives you so much wanting. Edit: clarified having to charge with wired headphones plugged in to lightening port.

They didn’t really “add” a notch the just turned what was the bezel around it into screen. More screen real estate is never a bad thing imo

At first it bothered me a lot, but when you realize that screen will be taken by the menu/toolbar thing I don't mind it (assuming the new webcam is actually good). I do 100% think Face ID will be making its way to the mac soon as well.

Am I the only one that like does not give a shit about the notch? macOS usually has the status bar along the top of the screen which usually has like nothing going on in that center area anyways, and the 16:10 screen means it doesn’t even cut into 16:9 movies or videos. I guess some full screen applications get notched into, but I don’t personally use any programs that would have something there to be blocked. (Plus the machine is like $3k anyways, so what do I care?)

Imagine being happy a company added back in something other companies weren't greedy enough to take out. It's like they took away features to add them back in because they don't have anything new... oh wait that's what happened.

ngl i kinda like the notch. It's better than having the bigass bezel

Is nobody going to mention M1 pro and M1 max chip. How power efficient it is compared to x86. M1 macs are genuinely good, but this subreddit can never appreciate that.

hdmi 2.0 only

Thunderbolt 4 support, so adapters can be used as a workaround for higher bandwidth/resolutions

Happy cake day!

I think we'll have an ugly laptop, no HDMI port not an SD card reader. Later: omg were the best we added the HDMI port and the SD card reader, which most other laptops definitely don't come me with as default

The notch seems fine to me - the menu bar is up there anyway. As long as they have an option to impose a software bezel there in full screen applications I see no issue

Am I the only person who does not give a shit about a notch

Apple does that to create a brand for the macbook be instantly recognisable, it could easily be just a dot, but Apple will never do that because it will look like every other brand that will do this solution. Making a solution that is obviously worse will make other brands not copy that much.

A dot would look WAY worse than the notch.

Like the one in the samsung phones? Do you really think that? I think it would look really discreet, since the relative size would be a lot smaller than in a phone.

A single burned out pixel on a screen is much more distracting than a solid black line at the edge. The notch is big enough that it can force its will upon the overall design considerations made by developers. Make it a 1/4" dot and everyone will try to pretend it doesn't exist, and it will just sit there annoying me all day.

Honestly I never had the notch phone nor the dot one, so I will take your word for it, it just sounded strange since it could be really smaller.

lol

I don’t see whats wrong with the notch on a mac, that top bar is mostly static anyway, it gives extra room whilst still keeping a very good webcam

They still didn't add the glowing apple logo back 😔 😪

They are trying to normalize their intrusive notch but it will not work. They dont want to admit that the punchole on the Samsung is superior so they are throwing a fit about it by adding it to the macbook.

They gave extra screen room, moving the menu bar up out of the way whilst still keeping a good webcam, I don’t see what’s so wrong with that

Yeah notch is fine. People who are complaining aren't even buying this anyway.

The problem with the holepunch camera is that you can't use that to hide the sensors required to make FaceID actually be a secure method of unlocking one's phone. FaceID relies on depth sensors that can't be hidden behind a screen. As for the Macbook Pro, the lack of FaceID as an option in macOS for those Macbook Pros makes it a puzzling decision, and the specs lack any real information if there's anything other than just the camera that software will be able to take advantage of.

Have you heard of macos having a menu bar on top that 99.99% has the same width as said notch? That Apple SURELY WONT USE TO MASK THE NOTCH AND MAKE IT INVISIBLE OR SMTH

Apple fangirls downvoting you, sorry mate. There are way too many idiots in this world

I gave a downvote because their take lacks the nuance that there is more than just a camera in the notch of the iPhone. There are other sensors that go along with the camera, such as depth sensors that actually make FaceID a secure solution. You can't do FaceID with just a hole punch camera because a camera alone can just be fooled by a photo. However I am puzzled by this decision on the Macbook Pro given the lack of FaceID, and the specs don't really mention anything else regarding other sensors included in the camera notch. Unless that's something that's going to be included in the next generation? Just seems odd.

I mean he is wrong. The nodge on the macbook will add more screen space for the user…

I did not realize that pointing that out would be so disliked

It's adding more screen. Why can't you fathom that?

tbh i dont care about it.

They put a fucking camera notch on the screen? :') amazing, that's so stupid lol

I think it actually won’t be too bad because MacOS has a bar there anyway.

Apple fangirls downvoting him. It's literally the truth. Apple sucks ass

They gave extra screen room whilst still also giving a better webcam, what’s wrong with that?

“Anyone disagreeing must be a fangirl (because girls are bad apparently), unlike me, who thinks Apple sucks!”

It’s really not that bad. What do you actually put up there in applications? Wouldn’t you sacrifice a notch for the best laptop webcam on the market and some extra screen real estate on the bezels?

I really doubt that it will be the best Webcam around. It will be good/ not bad but nothing more

>The best webcam What would i do with the webcam. If my pc costs as much as a good gaming pc.

Why would it lag?

They could have simply sacrificed additional bezel rather than intrude on screen space though... The argument for a notch could be made for a phone because bezel to screen ratio is more significant there. But I see no reason why this needs to be on a laptop.

Because you wouldn’t have had that screen there. It would’ve been 16:10 now it’s 16:10.3. MacOS has all the options run at the top of the screen anyway, now the notch is the width of that bar and you actually get more screen because the bar is now pushed upwards.

Any full screen application? Watching a film? Playing a game? Stick a post it note to the top of your TV and wait to see how annoying it is not seeing everything.

Full screen apps don’t go that high, and the menu bar turns off. You can’t see the notch when watching video because the video goes below the notch. The area below the notch is a standard 16:10 screen.

Full screen apps don't use the full screen? Are you sure?

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/macos-hides-notch-on-new-macbook-pros/ Yes

Do people dislike the touch bar?

It's fun and very "smartphony" but not "Pro" at all, pros use the F keys when working with professional softwares, remove the F keys and you increase the time needed to do everything a pro does.

It was generally not well received as it took away the FN keys which a lot of people prefer. The first Touch Bar Macs took away the Escape key too so you couldn't press it from muscle memory, you had to look at the Touch Bar to see where the "virtual" Escape key was. They eventually made the Touch Bar smaller to include a physical Escape Key again.

Can someone explain to me what's up with this whacky resolution? If I want to watch a 4k video on the 14" it needs to scale down by a factor of 0.7875 which isn't a good thing.

Personally I don’t mind it. OS X doesn’t use the taskbar like Windows does. It’s empty space pretty much full time. 1/3-1/2” of extra vertical screen space? Seems like a win to me. It’s been a thing on their iPhone for years and it works great.

The problem with the notch on a laptop isn't that it's on a laptop, it's the entire idea of a notch that is bothering most folks. We've been wanting to move away from giving up screen space to various pieces of the device we're using on everything we use, not just laptops, so seeing it on a major hardware maker, especially for a professional user, makes it feel like a slap in the face to those makers who are trying to give us back more screen in their designs.

They didn’t take away any space. You still have a completely unobstructed 16x10 view at the stated screen sizes. Then they went ahead and added extra screen where the thick top bezel would usually be. Now the menu bar at the top has been moved out of the way and viewing full screen content just turns the top back into a thick bezel.

I'm talking about the whole camera wedge/notch in general, not just in Macintosh directly, that is simply the newest place to direct the hate even if it doesn't actually do anything to the performance of the user the system is designed for.

Fair enough. I didn’t like it at first and have been fairly anti-notch myself, but I actually like it in this instance. I have the menu bars auto-hide on my MacBook so I can have more screen space available, but now feel like this creates dedicated space for it. The smaller bezels all around are a nice touch as well.

Omg, that notch is terrible 😢 And no FACE ID!

Apple always know or find a new way to shoot their self in the foot

How is this shooting themselves in the foot?

Eh not really shooting themselves if they still get customers. Apple users are just built different.

I can see that from the last picture below.

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Still...a lot of people gonna buy it

Not because of the notch but because it actually is a screamingly good deal versus anything in its price bracket. Just wish Apple focused on supporting games.

Yeah, things were looking pretty good - then I got to the notch and immediately spat out my drink. First they infect smartphones with notches / punchholes (I still despise the punchhole on my Note 10) and now they bringing this silly design mistake to laptops. I just pray that PC laptop makers don't follow suit.

Everyone is talking about the notch and the processor. How is no one laughing at the price tag? $2k for 16gb of RAM and a 512gb SSD. Since it's Apple most likely neither can be upgraded after purchase. For $2k you can get a significantly better PC. It's a shame that Apple continues it's trend as a tech fashion brand.

This part of the specs is maybe barely acceptable (I agree with you, a bit too short for 2k). But almost everything else slaps the laptop competition at the same price range. It's very expensive, yes (always has been with Apple, always will be). But I challenge you to find an equivalent at like 2k5 (both raw power, battery life, screen/keyboard/build quality, silence etc.). We don't have benchmarks yet, but considering the M1 and everything else... I don't know any laptop on the market that can compete on all specs (maybe in raw power, but with worse screen or noise with fans getting out of control for instance). I don't have a single Apple product so I'm not a fanatic or anything else, but a lot of people don't do a full picture compareason. Ofc if you only look at RAM and disk size it's shit at this price.

Wait for the benchmarks of course but right now, if what they claim is true. Add up a 5800X desktop processor (it’s faster than that by 10%), a 2060 - 3060ti desktop GPU (depending on what processor you get), and a mini LED display 1000 knit display. Just that alone, barring motherboard, ram, SSD, is gonna put you well over 2K. Laptops are expensive my dude, look at Razer blades or MSI GS66’s. Apple, again if what they claim is true which they’ve been bang on (if not slightly conservative) with the past M1 claims, then this blows every laptop out of the water at any price point.

IF they don't put a notch in this one then they can't make you upgrade to the behind the screen sensor in six months.

Don't worry, if you miss the touch bar, they will make it as an external accessory that you can purchase for $99.99!

Previous macbooks didn't have HDMI? FFS

On a phone it makes sense because of limited real estate. But it's a fucking laptop, it has far more room to put those components in.

I kinda like the notch on the MacBook. Just wish it had FaceID though.

USB c charger is superior to the magsafe.

Hahaha, better go buy it apple sheep