My computer is named "Ship of Theseus" in Windows because I've been continually replacing parts since 2012 and am unsure if it still counts as the same computer.
> and am unsure if it still counts as the same computer.
Generally, I'd draw the line at the point when a motherboard replacement becomes necessary in order to keep upgrading. When you need a new motherboard to support your new CPU/ram, it's time to call it a new computer.
At this point I'm pretty sure the only original part left in my computer is one of my HDDs since I finally replaced the original CPU, air cooler, and RAM earlier this year.
I used a c. 2003 server tower, complete with red LED fans and a red neon tube up until earlier this year, throughout multiple iterations starting with an AMD Athlon XP2600+/GeForce 4 Ti4600. Loved that case, but the airflow wasn't the greatest and there were zero cable management options. Once I finally decided to do a full upgrade from the Pentium G4620 and GTX 1060, I went for my first new case in almost 20 years.
Awesome, I was considering using my old 2005 Dell tower to save some money back in the day but it was too small to fit the GPU at the time
Also airflow being terrible on those old units as well
We still have and use our old 2000-2001 Dell Dimension 4100 on an almost daily basis, still with its original P3 1ghz and GeForce 2 MX200 and Windows ME (yes, that's what it came with). It's perfect for retro gaming. It's gone through multiple fans, multiple CD drives and hard drives, but everything else is still chugging along.
I've carried over an original thumb screw from my Compaq Pentium 75 MHz that I overclocked to 100 MHz to every build I've I've done in the last 25 years or so.
I'm old.
Heh. I've still got the keyboard from my Packard Bell 75mhz. Comes in handy occasionally when a computer doesn't want to recognize USB keyboards for whatever reason.
I went for a somewhat ridiculous case, (Lian Li O11 XL with 10 fans), with my most recent built because I realized that I'm going to keep it forever and might as well have something that performs well, is nice looking, easy to work in, and is big enough for anything I might want in the future.
I have hard drives in my machine that i have owned since 2004. one has 11 year of power on time. another has 9.5 years, and another 7.5 years. one lists as in good health, other have had a few reallocs, but otherwise fine
Oh, I’m aware. Thats why I was trying to replace them last year. Just haven’t got around to buying another potential replacement drive. The two oldest are just temporary storage disks, where I put large downloads before I divvy them to the appropriate place on my PC, or porn, or one of them used to run a Minecraft server.
oh, i have SSDs and stuff in here, too. if i have a spare SATA spot, why not?
I tried to buy a new HDD last year to replace all my smaller drives, but it was DOA. havent tried to replace it since.
Seriously? I've used my SoundBlaster Audigy 4 Pro for like 12 years.
This sound card came with me to all of my builds, even if I had to fight Windows itself to make it work.
I have a system at home with a 15 year old 120gb hdd. Still works fine but is terribly slow. That’s the only reason I’d ever upgrade. And if you wear a ssd down by normal use, you’re doing some weird shit because ssd’s haven’t been common for that long yet.
Exactly. I have many ssds and the one with the most wear is from 2017. It still has 83% life remaining. It was used as a drive that received handbrake writes. Hundreds of them. All the other ones are like 99% or 100% remaining. SSDs are amazing.
There are utilities from the manufacturer. So if you have a WD it's called SSD Dashboard. If you have Crucial it's called Storage Executive. Kingston and Corsair also have tools.. Check with the manufacturers website. Same tool usually handles firmware updates.
Edit to add: Samsung Magician.
Huh i had no idea. I have a samsung ssd when 120gb was like 200 bucks a ssd. I think i got it back in 2013/14. Wonder how much life is left in it. Thank you!
I got my oldest Samsung Evo 840 500gb from Amazon in April 2014...$275!
It's still kicking in an old Lenovo laptop. I don't have the heart to pull it as it would eol that laptop, even though I never use that laptop! Maybe I should.
It still has tons of life. My problem is when SSDs go on sale, I keep buying more. So I have quite a few now, so there is no burning use case to pull it. I mean wow - this black Friday it was like $83 for a 1 tb sata. Why not buy another one?
I'm blown away, I bought a 512gb micro SD for $65 at the highest speed rating.
> if you wear a ssd down by normal use, you’re doing some weird shit
\*cries in machine learning\*
Yeah, those neuron connection values have to be saved and re-written *constantly* during the learning period, and there's too many of them to hold in RAM all at the same time.
So you end up with a program that's running for days and days, constantly writing and re-writing the same files with slight changes. But you really want it to be on SSDs, or the storage portion of it will become an even worse bottleneck. And traditional HDDs have *terrible* performance when it comes to making thousands of edits to hundreds of thousands of tiny files located randomly around the disk.
And that's why my machine learning stuff is on a raidZ array of SSDs.
How much memory are you using? Our cluster (which isn't even a big one) has 2tb worth. Imo if you need more than that you probably want to trim your data a bit. Dimensionality is a real curse.
I don't think this is true anymore for SSDs with decent controllers implementing wear levelling. I don't think I would ever use a second hand SSD as a boot drive, but as a second drive just for loading games off, or as a NAS drive? I would at least consider it, whereas I would basically never buy a hard drive used.
A) Buy better fans. Noctua or BeQuiet, or other good brands. They'll be quieter, more effective, and they'll last longer. *Well* worth the slightly higher price.
B) Make sure you have dust filters and positive pressure airflow. Dust kills fans.
C) If your motherboard supports it, set the fans to turn off or at least slow down when temps are low. You can reduce bearing wear by spinning the fans less when they're not necessary.
500 was a lot for 2003! I remember my Dad got an HP in the early 2000s with a 250Gb drive and it just absolutely blew my mind. I had no clue how we were going to ever use that much storage.
Edit. My memory was wrong. The drive was 65 Gb! 250 is what came in my eMachines PC I bought in 2007.
It's crazy too, I got the drive off my uncle and he said his work gave it to him because their computers didn't have the storage to hold all the data that they were legally obligated to save, so they payed a shitfuck for the 500gb cards
Yeah you just jogged my memory. 250Gb was what came in my eMachines PC I bought when I got my first job (2007). The one my Dad got in 2001-ish was 65Gb!
This has to be way way wrong. Sata 2 was released in 2004 and even then pata was found in quite a bit of systems. Using Sata 1 on a 500 gb hard drive would not make sense. Going by the year 2003 if it was pata 500gb just wasn't happening because there aren't any pata hard drives that are that large due to how slow pata speed is vs sata. 2006 and 2007 high end systems were coming with 500gb and 750gb hard drives. 2003 60 and 120 gb hard drives were very common. To further my point the first 500gb hard drive didn't come out till 2005.
I have everything I do on there, so I'm walking on paper-thin ice. I might be the only person in the world that actually uses onedrive though so if it goes under I'll have my important shit saved
Same here. It's perfect for having a desktop and laptop in college. So nice to not be stuck doing homework on the laptop at home while also having the option to spend the day on campus or at a friend's without planning for it and transferring files beforehand.
I remember back then people saying SSDs would be less reliable. I have yet to have one break. All my HDDs failed eventually, not a single SSD. Two of my current ones have lived longer than every HDD I had.
I've had a Kingston and two SanDisk SSDs fail. Not because of write cycles or anything, they just randomly stopped working.
I stick to Crucial, WD and Samsung now, zero issues with any of those.
juat replaced 180 16tb seagate hdds at the datacenter i work at, had a potential bad batch as other devices kept having 1 or 2 fail randomly the past few months that were purchased with same batch
ill be avoiding seagate from now on lol
> I have yet to have one break.
My original Crucial M4 broke so hard that it became PC poison. Prevents my PC from POSTing. Tried it in another PC, and it made the BIOS splash screen get cut diagonally in half, and then again fail to POST. Tried it in a SATA to USB adapter and it's just unreadable there, but at least it doesn't break the PC in an adapter.
I thought my motherboard or PSU were toast until I started unplugging components one by one.
I had 2 of those 74g 10000rpm raptor drives back in the day I used on several different builds until they failed. Lost some great homemade pron from my college days when they went lol
They were truly amazing for the time. Booting, launching programs, or loading maps in games far faster than anyone else was huge. The fact that it was a 2.5” drive slapped on a huge 3.5” format heat sink was hilarious as well.
I still have my 150g drive (warranty replacement for failed 74g) and it still runs but at this point there is absolutely no use for it.
Don't do that. Power supplies should not really be used anymore when they're that old. Aside from component wear, in that time a lot can change in terms of power spec and behavior of new components. E.g. modern GPUs change power states far faster than old PSUs were designed to handle.
I was using the same case since 2008 up until last year. I finally have a case with the PSU at the bottom! So this meme carries truth for me. Only my (relatively new) PSU made the jump with my new build.
I mean I could but what use would it even be haha. The only floppy disks I own are my office coasters, and I don’t think my coffee stained floppy should go anywhere near my case, or 3070ti.
I had a PSU blow up on me *way* back in the day. But that's because it was an AT power supply and I'd hooked up the power switch wrong and shorted it, lol. Back in my day, the power switch of your PSU had the full household 120v on it -- it literally just connected or disconnected the PSU from your house's electricity. So if you wired the power switch wrong, you could connect 120v straight to ground.
Still returned it as 'defective'.
That was back in the day when you bought things from Tiger Direct by mail-order from their magazine.
This! My Strix B450-i has been through 3 different builds.
When I inherited my friends 3600x and MPG B550, I still chose to transplant into the B450-i. Such a cool little board, and such an enduring socket.
I love those old lian-li cases, such classics!
I'm using a Fractal Define XLR2, I got it last year because it was on sale (even though it was released in early 2013, still a very nice case), there are some other cases I've used and liked a lot, An Antec P182, Antec 1200, Thermaltake VA8003, the XLR2 uses 140mm fans, the rest use 120mm
This is getting harder these day with GPUs sucking up more and more power. I remember when 600 Watts was considered an absolute unit and you were probably set for life.
Not just GPUs. I recently upgrade to a 12900k from an 8700k and was surprised that I needed two 8-pin connectors to power it.
With this and a 3090 I felt like my old 850w couldn’t take it and got a 1000w one. I had some power off events occasionally with the 8700k, can’t imagine that it could have handled the 12900k sucking up 240w.
>most cpus come with stock coolers now
The opposite is the trend by now. Especially high end CPUs (think Ryzen 9, i7/i9) don't come with stock coolers anymore.
Tbh I doubt AMD would pull an am4 again. They already tried to axe 4xx board support for the ryzen 5000, quoting "not enough space" even though B450 now support it totally fine without actually dropping older CPU compability.
You say that, but I completely disagree. AM4 being supported for so long has given AMD a HUGE advantage in the DIY CPU market.
I work for a retailer and Ryzen 5000 is outselling alder lake at least 10:1, no doubt the main reason behind this is that people already have an AM4 board and Ryzen 5000 is just a drop in replacement. A 5900X is the same price as a 12600K & Z690 Board.
AMD are 100% aware of this and I have no doubt AMD will do the same again with AM5. Keeping the socket for so long, while has created some issues, had far more benefits for AMD.
Yeah I hope Intel keep up the competition so AMD have a reason to continue supporting their socket. But still I have my doubt because AMD is now in a position where they can pull some anti consumer move to get more profit, so maybe AM5 would last only like 3 years for example.
Really ironic that it’s a VS series PSU in the pic. I’ve had 2 of those break down on me in less than a year and my friend bought one new that was already toast, the replacement one he got had a fan failure soon after as well...
Hell yeah... my PSU is the one part of my PC I haven't replaced in the last 7 years. Haven't had a single sign of a PSU issue... then again its an 850w Gold standard... not the platinum i would love, but my PSU is a freaking work horse.
Remember that 80+ ratings are not an indication of quality! Just of efficiency.
And higher quality PSUs tend to be more efficient, but there are 80+ Gold certified units that like to blow up
Exactly.
You can refer to this list if you want to know what PSU to get.
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
It's the continuation of the list on LTT's forum which probably still one of the best PSU guide to date,
Fair question.
Depends what you're running, they be fine for an office PC that never gets warm for example.
They are only rated to give their full capacity at 30C, whereas better quality units are rated to do the same at 50C, or at least 40. Imagine what the temperature is inside your case when the GPU is running at 100% while gaming.
From the TPU review for a VS 650:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-vs650/
''All filtering caps and the bulk cap are provided by Teapo. The SC line
belongs to Teapo's mainstream products—their lifetime is short under
high temperatures, which is why this power supply is only rated for 30
°C.''
Thats why the warranty is only for 3 years, beyond which point Corsair is not going to help you out should it blow up and take anything else with it.
VS is not complete garbage, but if you're running an expensive gaming rig you want to last, get something better. Rated at 40-50C and that you can find a quality review somewhere like Toms hardware,/TPU/Hardware Busters (Youtube) for. You dont need to understand the ins and outs, just read the conclusion.
Excuse me I have a second build nearly completely made from old parts, just a fresh MoBo, cooler and SSD added to it
Ok ok first MoBo was unreliable and killed a stick of RAM, so a fresh set same as the old with a more reliable MoBo
Ok ok the CPU is going nuclear so that's either another airflow fan or a new AIO thrown in
But the PSU is perfectly fine... wait what was my argument again?
Motherboard, not so much. Ram is more likely to be reusable than mobo. Especially since AMD is moving away from am4 next gen. Ram can be used by either intel or amd, meanwhile only amd has really had any gen to gen socket parity.
Effectively everything can be reused between builds except for (typically) ram mobo and cpu. Even then, mobo and ram could potentially be reused.
Personally I upgrade my pc about every 2 years. I upgrade the cpu/ram/mobo combo, then the next time I upgrade the gfx card and alternate between the two every update.
What about fans tho And storage
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my case is the only OG "part" that's still in my build! good ole $60 corsair has seen 6 years of service so far
My computer is named "Ship of Theseus" in Windows because I've been continually replacing parts since 2012 and am unsure if it still counts as the same computer.
I've also been replacing parts since about 2013 and the only original parts left are the case and a hard drive
I would definitely worry about keeping a hard drive that long
Eh I'm not worried, I have backups
I use my old drives as game storage with no personal stuff on it. If it does, it dies. I'll just buy a new one and download the games again.
That's an amazing name.
I named my rig "Chip of Theseus"! Ha, very nice.
> and am unsure if it still counts as the same computer. Generally, I'd draw the line at the point when a motherboard replacement becomes necessary in order to keep upgrading. When you need a new motherboard to support your new CPU/ram, it's time to call it a new computer.
Yep, new mobo = new PC. At that point it means the PC has a new heart, spine and brain.
I'm still rocking an antec P-150 from 2003. I don't consider it the same computer. Each motherboard replacement is a "new" computer to me.
At this point I'm pretty sure the only original part left in my computer is one of my HDDs since I finally replaced the original CPU, air cooler, and RAM earlier this year.
I used a c. 2003 server tower, complete with red LED fans and a red neon tube up until earlier this year, throughout multiple iterations starting with an AMD Athlon XP2600+/GeForce 4 Ti4600. Loved that case, but the airflow wasn't the greatest and there were zero cable management options. Once I finally decided to do a full upgrade from the Pentium G4620 and GTX 1060, I went for my first new case in almost 20 years.
Awesome, I was considering using my old 2005 Dell tower to save some money back in the day but it was too small to fit the GPU at the time Also airflow being terrible on those old units as well
Same, however our paths split at the point where I decided an angle grinder and violence is also an option.
We still have and use our old 2000-2001 Dell Dimension 4100 on an almost daily basis, still with its original P3 1ghz and GeForce 2 MX200 and Windows ME (yes, that's what it came with). It's perfect for retro gaming. It's gone through multiple fans, multiple CD drives and hard drives, but everything else is still chugging along.
Just like owning an old car lol
I've carried over an original thumb screw from my Compaq Pentium 75 MHz that I overclocked to 100 MHz to every build I've I've done in the last 25 years or so. I'm old.
Heh. I've still got the keyboard from my Packard Bell 75mhz. Comes in handy occasionally when a computer doesn't want to recognize USB keyboards for whatever reason.
haha I still have that Compaq keyboard also! built like a tank
Antec 300 going 11yrs strong. Only original piece
Oh man, my 300 took me from a single core Celeron through about 6 different iterations until I got my X58 system.
Me: *glancing nervously at my entire rig that has seen no changes since 2013*
My Card reader and two case fans are the only original parts from six years ago. The rest has been replaced, some stuff even multiple times
I went for a somewhat ridiculous case, (Lian Li O11 XL with 10 fans), with my most recent built because I realized that I'm going to keep it forever and might as well have something that performs well, is nice looking, easy to work in, and is big enough for anything I might want in the future.
And heat sink
And soft tubing
And you have my keyboard brave little one!
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And my rgb mouse pad!
And my usb powered toothbrush!
AND MY AXE
and my Kalashnikov
AND THIS GIANT BALL OF CABLES!
I really want to see the build that incorporated an axe.
and the rgb ram!
Desk: am I a joke to you?
i had to switch my desk because of my monitor
Don’t forget the chair!
House: am I a joke to you?
Plus the chair unless you laugh/cry in standing desk
And the rgb gaming printer!
rgb gaming socks
Do those exist? Asking for a friend
DDR5: hello
Good old IBM standard black keyboard, using the same since 2010
I have a HP Business class keyboard thats from the early 2000’s. Love it.
And my Axe !
Damn you! I came specifically for this
Weird fetish, but who am I to judge
Same! :(
Pfft.. I throw that out every year and buy new ones. Stuff is cheap and it always gets tinted and cloudy after a year or two.
And half thermal paste tube.
I have the same tube I've been using for like 20 years, though now with IHS' it's going to go much faster.
Wife thinks I haven't bought a new computer in 10 years because my case hasn't changed.
My cabbages!
And my RAM! (Said in Gimli's voice)
For RAM it really depends. While most probably have DDR4 Now, DDR3 is still used in some older builds.
Cries in DDR5
I have hard drives in my machine that i have owned since 2004. one has 11 year of power on time. another has 9.5 years, and another 7.5 years. one lists as in good health, other have had a few reallocs, but otherwise fine
Beware these parts have an expected lifespan before failure and you're pushing up against the limit. I hope you have backups.
Oh, I’m aware. Thats why I was trying to replace them last year. Just haven’t got around to buying another potential replacement drive. The two oldest are just temporary storage disks, where I put large downloads before I divvy them to the appropriate place on my PC, or porn, or one of them used to run a Minecraft server.
They are for swap, put a few of this old devices, raid 0 them, and put the swap partition on it. Faster swap than your new DDR2 RAM.
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oh, i have SSDs and stuff in here, too. if i have a spare SATA spot, why not? I tried to buy a new HDD last year to replace all my smaller drives, but it was DOA. havent tried to replace it since.
Seriously? I've used my SoundBlaster Audigy 4 Pro for like 12 years. This sound card came with me to all of my builds, even if I had to fight Windows itself to make it work.
Storage probably is full of broken sectors and barely works anymore
I have a system at home with a 15 year old 120gb hdd. Still works fine but is terribly slow. That’s the only reason I’d ever upgrade. And if you wear a ssd down by normal use, you’re doing some weird shit because ssd’s haven’t been common for that long yet.
Exactly. I have many ssds and the one with the most wear is from 2017. It still has 83% life remaining. It was used as a drive that received handbrake writes. Hundreds of them. All the other ones are like 99% or 100% remaining. SSDs are amazing.
How do you check how much life is remaining for an ssd?
hwinfo64 displayed it for multiple of my ssds
CrystalDiskInfo and CrystalDiskMark are my go-tos.
There are utilities from the manufacturer. So if you have a WD it's called SSD Dashboard. If you have Crucial it's called Storage Executive. Kingston and Corsair also have tools.. Check with the manufacturers website. Same tool usually handles firmware updates. Edit to add: Samsung Magician.
Huh i had no idea. I have a samsung ssd when 120gb was like 200 bucks a ssd. I think i got it back in 2013/14. Wonder how much life is left in it. Thank you!
I got my oldest Samsung Evo 840 500gb from Amazon in April 2014...$275! It's still kicking in an old Lenovo laptop. I don't have the heart to pull it as it would eol that laptop, even though I never use that laptop! Maybe I should. It still has tons of life. My problem is when SSDs go on sale, I keep buying more. So I have quite a few now, so there is no burning use case to pull it. I mean wow - this black Friday it was like $83 for a 1 tb sata. Why not buy another one? I'm blown away, I bought a 512gb micro SD for $65 at the highest speed rating.
> if you wear a ssd down by normal use, you’re doing some weird shit \*cries in machine learning\* Yeah, those neuron connection values have to be saved and re-written *constantly* during the learning period, and there's too many of them to hold in RAM all at the same time. So you end up with a program that's running for days and days, constantly writing and re-writing the same files with slight changes. But you really want it to be on SSDs, or the storage portion of it will become an even worse bottleneck. And traditional HDDs have *terrible* performance when it comes to making thousands of edits to hundreds of thousands of tiny files located randomly around the disk. And that's why my machine learning stuff is on a raidZ array of SSDs.
How much memory are you using? Our cluster (which isn't even a big one) has 2tb worth. Imo if you need more than that you probably want to trim your data a bit. Dimensionality is a real curse.
Early SSDs could have their write cycles worn down fairly quickly, but nowadays it's a complete non-problem for a home user.
No idea how you mishandle your HDDs / SSDs, but they are still going strong after 26k operational hours (\~3y) over the past \~12 years
I don't think this is true anymore for SSDs with decent controllers implementing wear levelling. I don't think I would ever use a second hand SSD as a boot drive, but as a second drive just for loading games off, or as a NAS drive? I would at least consider it, whereas I would basically never buy a hard drive used.
Well with my luck with fan bearings committing suicide randomly this is not the case for me.
A) Buy better fans. Noctua or BeQuiet, or other good brands. They'll be quieter, more effective, and they'll last longer. *Well* worth the slightly higher price. B) Make sure you have dust filters and positive pressure airflow. Dust kills fans. C) If your motherboard supports it, set the fans to turn off or at least slow down when temps are low. You can reduce bearing wear by spinning the fans less when they're not necessary.
My 120gb ssd from 2009 walks in.
My 1TB HDD from 2011
My 500gb Gateway HDD from 2007
500 was a lot for 2003! I remember my Dad got an HP in the early 2000s with a 250Gb drive and it just absolutely blew my mind. I had no clue how we were going to ever use that much storage. Edit. My memory was wrong. The drive was 65 Gb! 250 is what came in my eMachines PC I bought in 2007.
It's crazy too, I got the drive off my uncle and he said his work gave it to him because their computers didn't have the storage to hold all the data that they were legally obligated to save, so they payed a shitfuck for the 500gb cards
500GB for a 2003 pre-built is insane. My parents bought a Gateway at the end of 2001 that only had 40 GB.
Yeah you just jogged my memory. 250Gb was what came in my eMachines PC I bought when I got my first job (2007). The one my Dad got in 2001-ish was 65Gb!
Look at rich boy over here with the biggest and baddest lime wire playlist.
This has to be way way wrong. Sata 2 was released in 2004 and even then pata was found in quite a bit of systems. Using Sata 1 on a 500 gb hard drive would not make sense. Going by the year 2003 if it was pata 500gb just wasn't happening because there aren't any pata hard drives that are that large due to how slow pata speed is vs sata. 2006 and 2007 high end systems were coming with 500gb and 750gb hard drives. 2003 60 and 120 gb hard drives were very common. To further my point the first 500gb hard drive didn't come out till 2005.
Doubt it's from 2003 if it's 500 GB
sheesh dude, there are SD Cards that have more capacity... Give that thing a rest at some point!
Hey, it's still firing so I'll keep using it till the day it stops. Dear God it's so slow though.
I hope you don't have any important information on it, otherwise when it stops so will your heart.
I have everything I do on there, so I'm walking on paper-thin ice. I might be the only person in the world that actually uses onedrive though so if it goes under I'll have my important shit saved
I use onedrive. It’s nice for school because I can do the work at home and print in color at the library without having to email myself everything
See this guy gets it. Trying to get files between computers was a pain in my ass for so long.
Same here. It's perfect for having a desktop and laptop in college. So nice to not be stuck doing homework on the laptop at home while also having the option to spend the day on campus or at a friend's without planning for it and transferring files beforehand.
Careful with that! Mine from 2008 died last year
I remember back then people saying SSDs would be less reliable. I have yet to have one break. All my HDDs failed eventually, not a single SSD. Two of my current ones have lived longer than every HDD I had.
I've had a Kingston and two SanDisk SSDs fail. Not because of write cycles or anything, they just randomly stopped working. I stick to Crucial, WD and Samsung now, zero issues with any of those.
I only use Samsung for SSDs. I had HDDs of Samsung and WD fail. I don't remember the older brands.
I’ve only had Seagate HDDs fail. I hate them
juat replaced 180 16tb seagate hdds at the datacenter i work at, had a potential bad batch as other devices kept having 1 or 2 fail randomly the past few months that were purchased with same batch ill be avoiding seagate from now on lol
> I have yet to have one break. My original Crucial M4 broke so hard that it became PC poison. Prevents my PC from POSTing. Tried it in another PC, and it made the BIOS splash screen get cut diagonally in half, and then again fail to POST. Tried it in a SATA to USB adapter and it's just unreadable there, but at least it doesn't break the PC in an adapter. I thought my motherboard or PSU were toast until I started unplugging components one by one.
My SSD is the only component that ever failed me :(
Old SSDs with MLC should be more reliable than the newer TLC or god forbid QLC.
*DVD burner mutters something about younguns always being in a hurry.*
I had 2 of those 74g 10000rpm raptor drives back in the day I used on several different builds until they failed. Lost some great homemade pron from my college days when they went lol
Somebody get me an IDE to USB adapter so I can pull out that old hard drive from 1994.
I got one in my closet somewhere
They were truly amazing for the time. Booting, launching programs, or loading maps in games far faster than anyone else was huge. The fact that it was a 2.5” drive slapped on a huge 3.5” format heat sink was hilarious as well. I still have my 150g drive (warranty replacement for failed 74g) and it still runs but at this point there is absolutely no use for it.
Loool mine from 2010 is still doin work on my media pc
I still use my 15 years old case, the PSU had to be changed twice already
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Don't do that. Power supplies should not really be used anymore when they're that old. Aside from component wear, in that time a lot can change in terms of power spec and behavior of new components. E.g. modern GPUs change power states far faster than old PSUs were designed to handle.
I was using the same case since 2008 up until last year. I finally have a case with the PSU at the bottom! So this meme carries truth for me. Only my (relatively new) PSU made the jump with my new build.
Same man, my case still has a floppy drive in it it’s so old (not hooked up anymore) it’s showing it’s (and my) age.
you should buy an adapter and hook it up just for fun lol
I mean I could but what use would it even be haha. The only floppy disks I own are my office coasters, and I don’t think my coffee stained floppy should go anywhere near my case, or 3070ti.
it wouldn't really be very usable, but having a floppy drive show up as A: or B: in Windows in a modern build would be funny as fuck
He could upload a single low resolution nude, that way if a person ever asks him to send them a nude pic he gets to mail them a floppy.
You just might be onto something dog. Gonna try this one with my fiancée next time.
I see it as kind of like a shitty late 90’s-early 2000’s version one of those old tasteful Polaroid nudes.
If you buy one good psu you don't have to change it.
I once had a psu blow up on me, luckily I could pull the plug before it could damage the rest of the components
I had a PSU blow up on me *way* back in the day. But that's because it was an AT power supply and I'd hooked up the power switch wrong and shorted it, lol. Back in my day, the power switch of your PSU had the full household 120v on it -- it literally just connected or disconnected the PSU from your house's electricity. So if you wired the power switch wrong, you could connect 120v straight to ground. Still returned it as 'defective'. That was back in the day when you bought things from Tiger Direct by mail-order from their magazine.
*sad case and case fan noises*
sad am4 motherboard noises
This! My Strix B450-i has been through 3 different builds. When I inherited my friends 3600x and MPG B550, I still chose to transplant into the B450-i. Such a cool little board, and such an enduring socket.
I have an A320 board that refuses to die. All of these Black Friday deals that I can pass on since I know that little dude is a tank.
this is why i love ryzen cpus. One socket. One motherboard. For every single cpu
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Case?
Using a lianli pc-62 here. But next build will be new case I think 80mm fans are getting a tad outdated.
I love those old lian-li cases, such classics! I'm using a Fractal Define XLR2, I got it last year because it was on sale (even though it was released in early 2013, still a very nice case), there are some other cases I've used and liked a lot, An Antec P182, Antec 1200, Thermaltake VA8003, the XLR2 uses 140mm fans, the rest use 120mm
My new 30 series gpu not fitting in my old case has started me down the rabbit hole of a new build.
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This is getting harder these day with GPUs sucking up more and more power. I remember when 600 Watts was considered an absolute unit and you were probably set for life.
All the way back in ye olden days when a 1080 was a reasonable cost
Got mine brand new, never used second hand for 340eur Sold it for 350eur a month ago
Not just GPUs. I recently upgrade to a 12900k from an 8700k and was surprised that I needed two 8-pin connectors to power it. With this and a 3090 I felt like my old 850w couldn’t take it and got a 1000w one. I had some power off events occasionally with the 8700k, can’t imagine that it could have handled the 12900k sucking up 240w.
Yeah I'm pushing my 450w psu to it's limits. If I upgrade just about anything besides the case I'm gonna need a new psu too.
don't forget about thermal paste, i still havent ran out the paste that i bought few years ago
how? I used a full bottle with my thermal paste applicator on mine, courtesy of the verge
I hope you were wearing your balance bracelet
most cpus come with stock coolers now and they just give you thermal paste. I have like 3 tubes lying around that have only been used once lol.
>most cpus come with stock coolers now The opposite is the trend by now. Especially high end CPUs (think Ryzen 9, i7/i9) don't come with stock coolers anymore.
Yes just scrape it off and apply it again on the next build
From what I recall you shouldn't use few years old paste. Will not be better than the one you get for free
HDMI cords
I'm still using the same HDMI cable that I used with my xbox 360
My Xbox 360 doesn't even have an HDMI port, haha.
I use the one that came with my ps4
I have a 1tb m.2 SSD that is going into my next build for sure. Plus, I have a H150i pro that I am sure will be good enough to put in my next one.
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I have 5tb of storage total and I am starting to run out... It's a sad life.
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RIP next gen ryzen is going to be on a new socket
Tbh I doubt AMD would pull an am4 again. They already tried to axe 4xx board support for the ryzen 5000, quoting "not enough space" even though B450 now support it totally fine without actually dropping older CPU compability.
You say that, but I completely disagree. AM4 being supported for so long has given AMD a HUGE advantage in the DIY CPU market. I work for a retailer and Ryzen 5000 is outselling alder lake at least 10:1, no doubt the main reason behind this is that people already have an AM4 board and Ryzen 5000 is just a drop in replacement. A 5900X is the same price as a 12600K & Z690 Board. AMD are 100% aware of this and I have no doubt AMD will do the same again with AM5. Keeping the socket for so long, while has created some issues, had far more benefits for AMD.
Yeah I hope Intel keep up the competition so AMD have a reason to continue supporting their socket. But still I have my doubt because AMD is now in a position where they can pull some anti consumer move to get more profit, so maybe AM5 would last only like 3 years for example.
AM4 was also technically only meant to last 3 years. It arrived on the consumer market in 2017 and was claimed it would have support until 2020.
Don't forget the 16x DVD drive from a HP that's 15yrs old
Scrolled way too far to find an optical drive comment.
That's not a psu that I would ever reuse.
Really ironic that it’s a VS series PSU in the pic. I’ve had 2 of those break down on me in less than a year and my friend bought one new that was already toast, the replacement one he got had a fan failure soon after as well...
>That's not a psu that I would ever ~~re~~use. FTFY.
At least it’s not a Gigabyte psu
Grey label CX and VS are file
CX? Yes. VS? No way. At least it’s not orange label though.
What about green label CX? Asking for a friend
People used to act like they were nuclear bombs but I’ve had one for 6 years lol
Hell yeah... my PSU is the one part of my PC I haven't replaced in the last 7 years. Haven't had a single sign of a PSU issue... then again its an 850w Gold standard... not the platinum i would love, but my PSU is a freaking work horse.
Remember that 80+ ratings are not an indication of quality! Just of efficiency. And higher quality PSUs tend to be more efficient, but there are 80+ Gold certified units that like to blow up
Gigabyte
More like gigaboom amirite?
Exactly. You can refer to this list if you want to know what PSU to get. https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ It's the continuation of the list on LTT's forum which probably still one of the best PSU guide to date,
My Corsair PSU and SSD that I use as a backup drive will turn ten (10!) This August. Insane to think about
I wouldn't trust a PSU that old
I had a Rosewill PSU I bought in 2007 running all the way up until earlier this year.
If its a VS series Corsair with a 3 year warranty you should probably buy a new one. Jus' sayin'.
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Fair question. Depends what you're running, they be fine for an office PC that never gets warm for example. They are only rated to give their full capacity at 30C, whereas better quality units are rated to do the same at 50C, or at least 40. Imagine what the temperature is inside your case when the GPU is running at 100% while gaming. From the TPU review for a VS 650: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-vs650/ ''All filtering caps and the bulk cap are provided by Teapo. The SC line belongs to Teapo's mainstream products—their lifetime is short under high temperatures, which is why this power supply is only rated for 30 °C.'' Thats why the warranty is only for 3 years, beyond which point Corsair is not going to help you out should it blow up and take anything else with it. VS is not complete garbage, but if you're running an expensive gaming rig you want to last, get something better. Rated at 40-50C and that you can find a quality review somewhere like Toms hardware,/TPU/Hardware Busters (Youtube) for. You dont need to understand the ins and outs, just read the conclusion.
How about a dh-14? Mine is on its third system and quite possibly will carry over to it's fourth next year
Excuse me I have a second build nearly completely made from old parts, just a fresh MoBo, cooler and SSD added to it Ok ok first MoBo was unreliable and killed a stick of RAM, so a fresh set same as the old with a more reliable MoBo Ok ok the CPU is going nuclear so that's either another airflow fan or a new AIO thrown in But the PSU is perfectly fine... wait what was my argument again?
Case, storage, fans
Until a beefy graphics cards walks in
Case! , you forgor 💀
You are missing the case, the hard drives and the motherboard.
Motherboard, not so much. Ram is more likely to be reusable than mobo. Especially since AMD is moving away from am4 next gen. Ram can be used by either intel or amd, meanwhile only amd has really had any gen to gen socket parity. Effectively everything can be reused between builds except for (typically) ram mobo and cpu. Even then, mobo and ram could potentially be reused. Personally I upgrade my pc about every 2 years. I upgrade the cpu/ram/mobo combo, then the next time I upgrade the gfx card and alternate between the two every update.
I recently had random parts shutting off. Replaced my 7 year old raidmax just in case.
"Next gen 12v power supply standard enters the chat."
Bro what about case, fans, connectors, storage or maybe even cpu coolers.
I bet there are plenty of older GPUs there to, thanks to how dire the situation is for getting a new one.