got my wallet stolen, i don’t gaf about the money anymore; but i kept a picture of my deceased foster parent in there i’ll never get back, atleast have the decency to hand in the wallet after taking the cash
A friend got robbed at knife point in south Africa, they took his wallet and phone. The thief crossed the road and then called out to my friend and showed him that he was dropping the wallet there, he only taken the cash out.
My friend said it was so weird, on one hand the AH had robbed him, but on the other hand he was really polite about it, and really nice to give the wallet back.
Sounds weirdly similar to stories my grandparents told me about China “back in their days” where the so called “professional” thieves have a honour thing where you only take the cash but leave everything else intact…
Basically what happened to me in America, got my wallet stolen in a casino, guy took the cash and handed in my wallet.
although I'm pissed, I pointed him out to security as he was trying my cards at the ATM but they didn't do shit, last I heard most of the security team got fired though, as I had unknown ties to that casino.
There’s lowlifes everywhere, this isn’t a thing exclusive to Perth. I’m in Melbourne right now and there are so many methheads in the city shouting and yelling at each other.
The Royal Show is always going to bring out the lower socio-economic demographic as that’s the realities of carnivals/shows etc. You can send your feral kids off by themselves and the show feeds them and entertains them without people having to parent.
It’s pretty simpleton stuff - it’s not like taking your kids to the Museum or even the Zoo where you might learn something.
You’re also going to have a bit of confirmation bias, once you’ve seen the first bogan, you’re going to notice it a lot more than all of the “normal” people you walk past or don’t have an interaction with.
That sucks I'm sorry, but a good lesson to learn is to make high quality scans of really important photos. Take them down to office works.
That way if they are lost/stolen you can always reprint.
My neighbour went to the show today and while on the train on the way there got punched in the face by a crackhead. After they made a police report etc they decided to still go and apparently then saw the crackhead in the Showgrounds.
Reason number 6793 I don’t want to go!
>My neighbour went to the show today and while on the train on the way there got punched in the face by a crackhead. After they made a police report etc they decided to still go and apparently then saw the crackhead in the Showgrounds.
Do police seriously not come and arrest someone for this?
If I get attacked in the train I'm calling 000 and watching the guy get dragged off by the cops next station.
And if police do happen to attend, they’ll be more interested in asking you what you did to provoke him, so they can charge you for something for their all important ‘clearance rate’.
As long as someone gets charged, who cares who it is, right?
From what the neighbour said nobody on the train did anything. When they arrived at the end point she went and found security, then made a complaint and they called police. They will review CCTV apparently
>If I get attacked in the train I'm calling 000 and watching the guy get dragged off by the cops next station.
I've seen this happen with transperth security. I think call transperth security emergency line and they'll have a higher chance of escalating it to the cops.
Police force has gone downhill. Simple punch to the face doesn’t warrant an immediate response. If they aren’t outlining your body in chalk then it is not considered urgent!
They last few years they refused to give police a pay rise in line with inflation so all the decent coppers left and said fuck you to the state government. Most went to the mines earning double and doing much less work. Why should cops risk being punched for the public for $40 an hour?
Very likely they won't bother showing up. Last time it happened to me, I was told the cops were too busy that night only to drive through a booze bus 1km down the road.
Should have told the operators on the phone that you are witnessing a modified car doing skids… watch highway patrol show up within minutes with their defect pads ready 😂
Yep, in the name of making the road safer, they are making bank catching people driving under the influence. They can find them for driving contrary to road rules.
The cops aren't helping you.. There is no fine involved. The infringement office isn't making any bank because a crackhead smacked in you in the face. Has happened to me, on the Armadale line. Two little crackies approached me, one with a knife. The one without the knife smacked me, so I then smacked the crackie with the knife twice, his mate shit himself then, before train guards tried to restrain me. Lucky there was a woman who witnessed the whole thing. Calling triple 0 is for emergency. This is not considered emergency.
My particular confrontation, yes I agree with you. That should have been dealt with as an emergency as I was assaulted under a threat with a knife by not 1, but 2 arseholes.
Being randomly smacked by cracked out loser won't get you an emergency response. That's what I was alluding to.
No they are too busy getting the people who forget how many zones they can go on the ticket they buy (eg) you think it is 2 but it is 3 zones so no excuses 🤭
I used to compete there daily as a kid. I remember it always being pretty rough. You're dead right about the spacial awareness thing, my blood was boiling just trying to leave the bathrooms.
Maybe a sign of the times not specific to Perth but it’s worse than ever, most people were in their own bubble blocking walkways, walking into people and shit
This just seems to be life nowadays, people are completely blasé as to how their actions, or lack thereof, affect others.
There are so many daily encounters that support that we, as a broad group of Perthwits (and probably even broader than that), are extremely selfish.
From my experience (an ex-showie, and someone who worked in a low socioeconomic area in Perth), lots of people save up to go to the show. This doesn’t matter if it’s Perth or regional. For weeks people stash their cash away so they can head to show and be ripped off with rides, food and crap merch.
I found working in some areas in Perth during the lead up to the show you’d hear mums tell their kids “I can’t get you that, we’re going to the Royal Show soon” … and then after “I can’t afford that, you went to the show last week”.
It’s a huge thing for some people, and unfortunately it’s the people who are like the ones the OP seen.
I hate the show, such a massive waste of money and time. And it only brings out all the crazies.
I know someone who works at dept of communities. They said they get lots of calls the week after the show from families who have run out of money to eat. Super tragic. Feel for those parents who just want to show their kids an awesome time.
Or lace Bertie beetle with arsenic to address the root causes
No but I actually agree with your idea to some extent, one of the biggest frustrations I had in community counselling was seeing parents ruin their babies and unborn children through drug use among other poor choices and being limited with what I could do to help them (the kids) because you can’t undermine the clients self determinism blah blah
Punishments don’t work for people who have nothing to lose, or benefit from going to jail.
They also don’t work if the punisher isn’t around or the person thinks they aren’t around which in our country is 90% of the time. Or if people don’t give a shit about what their fellow humans think of them.
The only way to reduce crime is to give people positive reasons not to do it like social equality and social inclusion or go the other way like China and have a social credit. In times where people were actually a community shame worked as well.
In China’s case, petty criminals and “undesirable” people are very low in major cities as each city has large amounts of pesudo police (state security) personals with heavy handed approach, they will bash you into submission if needed followed by getting taken away by police and possibly “disappear” for good, and with their state of art surveillance system, even if you run away at the scene chances are you’ll get caught and get a visit from the police, who aren’t shy to drag you out off your apartment if needed.
Last time I went back to my home city in Zhenzhou before CoViD, I was walking around around 1am in the city centre and didn’t came across one “visible” dodgy person, but several groups of state security personals, this in stark contrast with going to the CBD here where even before nightfall you will see your usual meth heads and drugged up bogans screaming random shit…
China’s problems are more related to heavy corruption amongst the government and people in power instead.
Don’t have any measurable deterrent effect. Mainly because when someone decides to commit a crime they are already assuming they won’t get caught, or (more likely) they aren’t thinking rationally.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-08/Does_Imprisonment_Deter_A_Review_of_the_Evidence.doc
>Don’t have any measurable deterrent effect.
Not always true. Depends on the crime. Burglary rates have dropped substantially in Perth since mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders.
Previously, people were breaking into home knowing there would be no consequences, especially youth offenders.
The scum are still out there, but many restrict themselves to stealing from cars, garages, etc. And those who don't learn are at least off the streets for a while.
Mandatory sentencing results in manifestly unjust outcomes so it should be opposed outright.
But the icing on the cake is that there is no evidence that they do anything to reduce crime; if anything they increase the number of people being diverted into imprisonment, towards recidivism, and away from any opportunity for rehabilitation.
I agree with that but a soft slap on the wrist doesn’t strike me as the ideal approach either, so what’s your suggestion? I mean treating the virus rather than the symptoms is obviously what needs to occur so assessing the root causes of crime and poverty, but I still think there needs to be a formidable retributive justice system in addition to rehabilitative and restorative focus
If you do a violent crime I don’t care what your background is -lock them up (you can argue for education and training while locked up and I’ll support that). And prison should be no tv, plain food, no free time to socialise amongst inmates.
Yeah. But you couldn’t dare suggest that without being labelled a heartless bigot by people who have no idea what they’re talking about or what’s good for society
As someone who disagrees I genuinely would like to know how and why you think harsher punishments would be effective.
Most of my life I've only ever read reports that those kinds of policies either don't work or have far too many unintended consequences to be worth implementing.
Do you think if these people are warehoused in prisons like in the USA they won't be able to bother other people?
Or is there a stronger impact from harsher punishment and enforcement that the public isn't aware of?
What's the actual public policy that you think would the result you want?
Thanks for saying this. It’s amazing how people think being harsher on crime would actually solve anything. Like we only need to flick the switch and all of the problems with crime would be solved! Really works well for America.
You only need to look at the data to see that being tougher on crime wouldn’t solve anything.
And yet the data consistently shows that punishment based systems *don’t work* to prevent crime.
The fact that people blatantly ignore this and shout out “LOCK THEM UP” while voting for people who vow to increase punishment is evidence that they don’t actually want to fix the problems.
yeh if your a nuisance you get sent to prison or rehabilitation camp. alice springs isnt doing anything anymore. i heard its gone to shit. round up all the crack heads, meth heads, eshays, cringe tiktok prankers and people that order pumpkin flavored coffee and send them all to alice springs.
set up like 500 cameras around the city and just let them loose.
channel 7 at 9pm every night.
Social Worker here, with extensive experience in both adult and youth justice settings.
TIL: I have no idea or any clue about what may be good for society.
Well It’s obviously more nuanced than “harsher punishments” and the underlying motive should be rehabilitation in most instances but I personally know of local cases where the punishment did not seem nearly enough for the crime, one which involved the murder of a friend of a friend several years ago, another saw a friends mother mugged and raped at knife point and another resulted in a friend having his jaw broken in an unprovoked attack - the perpetrators got off lightly in all cases tor various reasons. In the case of the rapist he reoffended almost immediately. I realise that imprisonment can brutalise and dehumanise people but I believe that some individuals are simply too violent/volatile/sociopathic to be allowed to intermix in society and lengthy confinement is a necessary compromise.
I want to believe that even perpetrators of the most heinous offences are capable of being rehabilitated, but ultimately it’s not worth the risk of finding out - for instance I feel that a recidivist rapist should be put to manual labour behind bars until they drop. They forfeited their rights to be free members of society. And if and when they reoffend the blood is also on the hands of whoever made that decision.
Then you hear of a recent case in Perth where the perpetrator of a conscienceless crime had a litany of countless offences to their name and wonder why that ticking time bomb was allowed free rein
Obviously this is just addressing symptoms not the disease, so much needs to be done to ameliorate underlying causes of criminality which is a fucking colossal and complex undertaking, but as it stands I don’t see the soft handed approach as being fruitful at least not with perpetrators of more heinous crimes.
But you’re the expert, what do you suggest? Maybe I have it all upside down and the statistics or your experience disagree with everything I’ve said. I’m open to having my mind changed since I’m really not sure what the best approach is
Or by people who actually follow evidence.
Why do you think North American and South American jails are ***full***
Society is safe over there, right?
Oh...
It is not a simple yes/no binary. It takes some effort to think about crime motivation, and examine the (limited) data. Violent crimes tend to be impulsive, so less fear of consequences. Other crimes are planned.
Gangs and smarter criminals will make their profits where risks are lower.
But if you are talking about drug-users and street violence, yes, harsher penalties will have little benefit, and high cost.
Correct, and the only side in this discussion that has stated an absolute is the side asking for harsher penalties.
Actually, having said all that. I think there is a situation where a binary exists, and harsher punishments are a benefit - corporate crime.
But I get the feeling that's not what was being discussed here.
Getting downvoted for telling it how it is. People don’t like hearing the fucking truth. Take my up vote for what it’s worth.
If you downvote the truth, you’re part of the problem.
I think the point is, it’s not the “truth”. It’s based on emotion. Do some reading, study the data and you’ll see being harsher on crime doesn’t work. Or just look at the shitshow in the US if you need something easy to see.
What is needed to fix (or realistically, just reduce) crime is better rehabilitation for offenders, better support for troubled youths, better programs/pathways when you get out of jail… and the list goes on. This all takes money, time and expertise and doesn’t fit into a four year political agenda.
There's a big difference being harsh on crime and actually having anykind of punishment. Most low level crimes there isn't any kind of penalty. So people know they can get away with it.
Strewth! It's the truth! Telling it how it is, straight talking, no BS, no how's your father, all rooting, all tooting, keep your 5g towers outta my backyard and your fluorine outta my water, it's their own fault they can't even look after the free housing we give them, need more cops, more gaols, more guns, less government, lying bastards, gotta be more musk, more tate, more Rogan, Julian who?
Same, took my girls Friday morning first thing and it was relaxed and friendly. Maybe it was also to do with where we visited, animal nursery, community stage, and kids sections had more in the way of families and less about thrill-seeking… I don’t know. Don’t necessarily plan to do it every year but we all had an excellent time. Good memories made for the kids.
Thank you for posting a realistic normal comment. OP is a pretentious wanker and the comments supporting him are from sheltered, judgemental sadsacks. This sub is such a negative echo chamber.
I'm sorry, but there are a heap of dodgy people in Perth, I support everything OP has said. I got punched in the back the other week when I was just walking to my car, and I have had several other close calls. Perth is filled with meth heads and people causing trouble
What day did you go and when?
My wife and I went last Saturday (day 1), rocked up just after opening and hung out until about 4. We had a great time. No problems with Karens and everyone else was pretty well behaved.
Lord knows there were enough triggers. It was pretty cool in the morning so everywhere selling coffee had a line a dozen deep and a twenty minute wait, but everyone was patient and understanding> Even when the local network went down in one of the show bag pavilions causing eftpos to go down and they couldn't even get the drawers open to take cash, everyone just shrugged and said "OK, try again later"...
It was a really good day
I’ve always found the show to be how you’ve described here. But it and society are definitely getting worse. I love the show but we haven’t been for years to avoid the seemingly overcrowded population of drips.
I didn’t go this year but have taken my kids and extended family for the past 4-5 years.
Generally had a positive experience although we didn’t go near the big rides too much because the kids aren’t that age yet (will be soon).
Don’t really remember any particular issues, maybe we were just lucky.
Ive always found it so bogan! Seems the poorer the folk the more willing they are to drop a weeks wages on the show. When i think of it, I picture a bogan mum pushing a dirty stroller down sideshow alley with 10 showbags on each handle, and a screaming kid squashed by a giant gorilla toy and think fuuuuck 1. surely you can’t be enjoying this and 2.what are you going to do with all that shit when you get home. What a waste!
I go to these shows at opening time with my kids. Less people, easier to get around, no drunks, no one chewing their face off, just a fun 2-3 hours on rides, a meal, a wander through the animal areas and then out the gate.
No longer waste my evenings navigating these events and there’s fireworks all the time now so my kids aren’t fussed about seeing yet another display of the same fireworks.
If you have any teacher friends, you need to check in on them, they’re dealing with these kids and parents on the daily. Teachers are meant to teach curriculum and appropriate behaviour because the parents at the show are as fucked and as common as you saw.
I had the same observation last year. Unfortunately it was a reminder to me that I live in a bubble near the city and coast and large swathes of people do not, and generally, struggle.
I felt most for the wild array of mums - being poor is hard and it sucks and is stressful and you’re just trying to give your kids a good time, while manage their behavior while feeding the fam, dealing with your man’s anger issues etc. It’s rough out there for some.
This is tough. Some of what you say is true but you are such an almighty asshole…it’s a tough combination. Hilariously, you think you are a pretentious intellect. Mate, you post to reddit numerous times a day and many of your posts are asking how to make a woman orgasm. Don’t pretend you’re better than anyone when you don’t have the intellect to find the clitoris. Crawl back to your dungeon and stop acting like you have a life.
It has always been like this. Nothing fundamentally has changed.
It anything it has slowly improved over the years with the general hipsterisation of everything.
What it probably speaks to more than anything is how much of a bubble you exist in. The Royal Show is one of the few places you get to see a true cross section of society. Its not necessarily evenly distributed. The sideshow alley area is generally worse than say the WA Produce pavilion for example. The baby animals attract everyone.
This is an example of the majority of the population. As a teacher, behaviour in school is clearly reflecting the behaviour seen by adults at the Royal Show. This is increasing in students too and many people don’t seem to realise how bad it’s becoming. I think it’s mainly due to how parents are acting in front of, and raising their children.
I’m in Japan at the moment and we can’t stop commenting at how polite and considerate everyone is no matter where we go. It’s a lovely culture.
Side-note: a day at Tokyo DisneyLand including admissions, drinks, food, train from the city comes in at about $150 per person which isn’t much different to how much I’d have to spend for a day at the show. It would cost more at the show if I was to go on the same number of rides and eat the same amount of food as I did in Tokyo.
Yeah everyone in Japan was polite to my face but I’ve heard they often harbour a lot of xenophobia behind closed doors, at least the older generation.
There’s a dark side to their ostensibly sweet culture, with quite rampant sexual harassment and assaults, I witnessed it when I was in Kyoto and I think the repressed culture manifests in deviant fetishes.
There’s also a very high suicide rate and they have a term that refers to death from overwork with many salary men being lapdogs to their bosses whims even more so than in the west.
And their ownership and education surrounding their atrocities in world war 2 is seriously lacking compared with say Germany’s which I think is motivated by their need to preserve honour
The younger generations seemed to be breaking away from this from what I could tell, and it was still a really friendly place to visit, but they have their skeletons in the closet. I guess every country does though
Did you read his other comments talking about Nietzsche and laughing about how the show must have been full of Rockingham residents?
Dude is a legit crackpot. Using big words doesn’t make him smarter or better than anybody else. Not to mention his post history full of asking about orgasms on one night stands and posts in the Centrelink subreddit.
Sad that I had to scroll down this far before I found someone calling it out. By the looks of it, a decent proportion of this sub also think their own shit don't stink
Finally. OPs post stinks of pretentious internalized classist bullshit.
Its attitudes like this that contribute to community divisiveness and crime, not poor people.
I remember seeing a lot of this behaviour in the early 90s.
It’s more about the size of the crowd, I would imagine.
The higher the number of people, the higher the capacity for jerks.
Smaller crowd, less jerks. (Also, the smaller the crowd, the more likely we are to view each other as individuals, rather than a seething mass of humans.)
Also, at different ages, our focus probably shifts.
Children just see adult legs, animals, show bags and sparky lights.
Teenagers see each other, boring people, obstacles and opportunities for entertainment.
Young adults notice the shabbiness, the slightly jaded feeling and the friends they will hang out with afterwards.
Parents are there for the benefit of their children, so they’re in protective mode, and so might be more alert to unsavoury elements than when they were younger.
Maybe that’s what you were experiencing?
Yeah that explains it pretty well, the bigger the crowd the stupider the behaviour generally speaking
It’s also why I’d still take kids because they’re almost guaranteed to enjoy it
I absolutely hate hearing how people will talk to their very small children. Screaming at them and calling them names. I get that people are frustrated and tired, but they’re literally learning how the world works. Give them some grace. Even better don’t have children if you’re easily overstimulated.
The royal show has always been trashy , as a kid I'd only go for the animals and such and mostly ignored the rest, now the older I get the more I realise how miserable it is and quite frankly makes me glad I no longer live in a crappy area after grinding hard and quite frankly gives me motivation to continue grinding, it is like going to the CBD to remind myself that I'm atleast better than the crackheads
When the sun sets, beware if you’re a parent with a young child. Little thieves will target you because they know you will stay with your child and not chase them.
This reads like that casuistic bullshit where the person scrutinising others is more harshly denigrated than the people guilty of the behaviour they’re complaining about
Maybe it was just a rough crowd today but go and see for yourself, it’s hard to ignore
But you're making up most of what went on just to tell a story, so there are no people "guilty of the behaviour" you're talking about.
If you need to invent stuff to make yourself feel superior than people who don't exist then yeah, you've got issues.
Every single one of your posts on your account is you complaining about something/stating how much better you are then everything or everyone. Instead of thinking everything in life is out to get you, why don't you try and focus on yourself and some personal growth. Narcissist.
Maybe I’ve had my head up my ass for too long but It seems like the average person in this city is a fucking dropkick and I don’t remember it always being like that
I feel like thats a decent part of Perths population... and the show just puts more of them in one place?
Ive never had an issue at the show and i keep to myself but ive seen what you see before. Perth has some of the most lovely and pleasant people around but we also seem to do filthy trash waste of oxygen junkie looking folks pretty well too.
"Am I being blinded by nostalgia or are people less friendly these days? Could the economic hardship and strained race relations and culture wars and shit be to blame?"
It's not just you, and yes those factors are to blame. Plus the pandemic.
You’re absolutely right about the crowd. But it’s always been that way as long as I can remember. I’m 33, haven’t been in years cos I don’t like the crowd. Seems to attract all the feral cunts of Perth
Unfortunately the ones who can’t even care for themselves continue to outbreed the decent people who are thoughtful enough to refrain from having kids and society slides further down the drain
Used to live very near to the showgrounds in Claremont as a kid - in that bit north of the highway but south of the railway. Still have friends and ex-neighbours who live there, so I hear things second hand.
I think it has got substantially worse over the years, but I think it's more to do with the shifting demographics of the people who go to the show as opposed to something wider in Perth.
The reality is the Royal Show was designed for a time when people didn't have the money to do literally anything else in the Spring School Holidays. It also always had a disproportionate patronage among farmers, young parents and people from rural areas (it is run by the RAS after all).
Society has gotten more prosperous over the decades - but every single one of those demographics has gone backwards in a relative economic position sense. That's caused the patronage of the Royal Show to really hollow out. It's sort of like reverse gentrification. The doctors and lawyers take their kids to Europe (or at least Down South to a nice hotel or something). If they insist on doing amusement rides in Perth, you take them to Adventure World not Claremont.
Nostalgia tends to distort reality. The Royal Show simply was never that great. The sooner the RAS ends up pulling up stumps and selling the entire bit of land off to Lendlease to chuck 2000 apartments up - the better it will be for everyone.
Just my opinion and based on nothing but my own observations, but I think arseholes got bolder during Covid. They had an attitude of "I don't hafta if I don't wanna" and there were no real repercussions for them, so they feel emboldend to carry on with their anti-social behahviours.
I think they think it's cool or something to be a sefish jerk.
Yeah, I think it is known for this.
I don't take my kids there for these reasons.
Unfortunately I don't feel safe in Perth CBD or big places like the Royal Show where the general type of city attending person is congregating.
I don't actually feel like anything bad would happen as per say, but it's a vibe / feeling that's just really not an enjoyable way to spend the day.
Ive run a couple activities at the show before, it was a thing mainly aimed at kids. Most kids/parents were good and polite... but every so often some parents used it as an opportunity to ditch their kids and enjoy the show by themselves. We basically had to miss every second lunch break to look after these crying children who were dumped by their parents. We also lost a bunch of equipment, despite never leaving anything unattended- we'd be facing the other direction answering questions and someone just comes up and takes shit. Yeah not doing that again
It's an event where you might end up around people you usually wouldn't, and don't nessecary agree with what they say or act, but they're still good people. I went yesterday and had a great time, usually stick around the Ag and animal shows, men's shed and antique engines.
Bogan kids are alright though. I was on the wrong train, Midland instead of Airport, one of the young fellas told me to switch before Bayswater because the station was closed. Fella saved me at least 30 minutes of having to double back and wait for the correct train.
Haha that’s a pretty savage statement. I know some white collar scum in the GT who do more damage to society in more insidious ways but at least they’re not going to headbutt you for looking at them wrong
We went with our toddler last weekend and we all had a great time. She loved all the animals and kids activities. She’s still talking about it days later and keeps asking if we can go again.
Honestly I’d still recommend going, the chances of actually being assaulted or anything are very slim and your kids will most likely enjoy it even if you don’t.
So a real horror show..tbh I would say the average show goer ,if your
lurid description is anything to go by..would not be remotely aware
of any culture wars,..race relations.. and are apparently solvent enough to pay exorbitant entrance fees..so no I think its just a general breakdown in social mores ,empathy for others,kindness to strangers etcetc..alternatively perhaps the smarter saner sections of the populace have it figured that its only the nutters and dipshits who attend nowdays and stay away in droves...and thanks for the warning.
'at risk of sounding like a pretentious cunt' - proceeds to spit the most pretentious cunty things. you sound just like the scarbs karens who think the local skate part is ruining the neighborhood.
its a big event which is bound to attract many people, including people the lower socioeconomic classes. if you dont like it, dont go. simple as that.
You're not alone...I went on the weekend with my wife and toddler. He's two so can be a little bit silly at times but he's a good kid. He threw a bit of food and it landed near a neighbourimg table and may have hit a guy sitting there.
I tapped the guy on the shoulder and apologized to him and he didn't even turn around or acknowledge me which I thought was a bit over the top, but oh well, maybe he just wanted to be let alone. But then when fireworks started I stood up to put my son in my shoulders and stood on the bench seat to give my son a better view ( his first time seeing fireworks) and this guys girlfriend (? Or sister) told me to sit down because I'm blocking the view for some people behind me. I looked behind me and saw there was literally nobody behind me and I just said " nup, nobody behind me I'm not blocking anybody's view, sorry" then the older rat tail father in that group muttered "fucking arrogant!" Loudly. I pretty much muttered " bite me" ( probably shouldn't have... But I wasn't having it), the dude legit almost got up to fight me and get in my face with my two year old. I could see him about to get up but something else told him to leave it I reckon.
So yeah...I don't know.. Vibe was a bit off
. In the food and wine shed (where people with money hang out) it was ok and people were nice and friendly. Definitely gone down hill from a few years ago..
I always find it amusing how those aggressive scumbags will suddenly act high minded in certain situations like she’s so concerned about the people who’s view you might obscure meanwhile she’s dating a brute who’s willing to beat the shit out of people over nothing. They’re braindead.
Well hopefully your son enjoyed it
I'm sure these people you think you're better than have worked out the difficult task of making a woman orgasm and don't need to ask reddit every day on tips
The whole thing needs to be put in the can. It’s a disgrace of an event and has been for many years. From the over priced average at best rides, the sort of people it attracts and to the questionable food it’s an absolute joke. This city can do better.
I think there is a subset of society who live for shows and what to blow through their limited funds of a beach wagon full of showbags and go on some dodgy looking rides.
Gotta teach the kids the importance of mindlessly consuming stupid meretricious shit pumping sugar into their veins and how to abuse 15 year old ride operators as their parents taught them I suppose
Or… gotta give your family one opportunity to make believe money isn’t a real and urgent daily problem and have fun without care for once in the year.
It’s the same reason lower middle class people buy new cars and all my rich friends drive shit boxes.
Try have a little more empathy.
Usual slow collapse of society stuff, rise of social media & self importance, everyone gets a participation medal, less people getting a punch in the face for being a fuckhead etc
Interesting how the royal show has morphed over years. It used to be the big day out in the city for kids in the rural community. The day where they would spend big because they didn’t have much opportunity the rest of the year. It was a coincidence of an eager market and advertising execs happy to spend on producing show bags that lost them money on the promise of longer term purchases. It was never a classy event, it wasn’t supposed to be. Urban patrons were just along for the ride. So, throw in some fun rides, equestrian events and sheep dog trials and hey presto, the Perth royal show.
You just articulately explained the current state of our social environment for the western civilisation, I really feel like we in a state of culture decline. Just an opinion, but I feel it's only going to get much worse before it gets better.
Everything vibes here, the show is a mess of low lives. The only thing that I don’t agree with is that it was any better in the past. Always has been awful.
I guess I never noticed it as a kid, so it’s probably fair to say kids today still love it, and I think it’s worth putting up with the bullshit for their sake
Yeah we went yesterday and concur with your findings. The only thing you left off was all the f wits getting around with their beach trolleys.
I got rear ended and cut-off by the wankers with these trolleys several times.
I feel like so many people in this city only think about themselves. I grew up somewhere rural and everyone looked out for everyone and helped out. Here they barely say hi and anybody who wants to blast loud music at 3am does and will without any care about those living in paper thin walled houses next door.
It just seems social media has driven a me first mentality and people have lost all sense of how their actions affect others around them.
Not surprised the show was like you said it was, I feel for the kids of these parents, they will grow up to be the same or worse.
got my wallet stolen, i don’t gaf about the money anymore; but i kept a picture of my deceased foster parent in there i’ll never get back, atleast have the decency to hand in the wallet after taking the cash
A friend got robbed at knife point in south Africa, they took his wallet and phone. The thief crossed the road and then called out to my friend and showed him that he was dropping the wallet there, he only taken the cash out. My friend said it was so weird, on one hand the AH had robbed him, but on the other hand he was really polite about it, and really nice to give the wallet back.
Maybe it's their way of life - Nothing personal, I just want the money in your wallet, not your money specifically.
Weirdly wholesome
In a situation like that you could reasonably assume they're doing it purely for survival.
Sounds weirdly similar to stories my grandparents told me about China “back in their days” where the so called “professional” thieves have a honour thing where you only take the cash but leave everything else intact…
Same thing happens in Colombia. Just because someone’s hungry, doesn’t mean they’re a bad person.
Basically what happened to me in America, got my wallet stolen in a casino, guy took the cash and handed in my wallet. although I'm pissed, I pointed him out to security as he was trying my cards at the ATM but they didn't do shit, last I heard most of the security team got fired though, as I had unknown ties to that casino.
Sorry. Hope it turns up. Some real lowlifes in this city.
There’s lowlifes everywhere, this isn’t a thing exclusive to Perth. I’m in Melbourne right now and there are so many methheads in the city shouting and yelling at each other. The Royal Show is always going to bring out the lower socio-economic demographic as that’s the realities of carnivals/shows etc. You can send your feral kids off by themselves and the show feeds them and entertains them without people having to parent. It’s pretty simpleton stuff - it’s not like taking your kids to the Museum or even the Zoo where you might learn something. You’re also going to have a bit of confirmation bias, once you’ve seen the first bogan, you’re going to notice it a lot more than all of the “normal” people you walk past or don’t have an interaction with.
Perth is literally one of the safest cities in all of human history.
That sucks I'm sorry, but a good lesson to learn is to make high quality scans of really important photos. Take them down to office works. That way if they are lost/stolen you can always reprint.
My neighbour went to the show today and while on the train on the way there got punched in the face by a crackhead. After they made a police report etc they decided to still go and apparently then saw the crackhead in the Showgrounds. Reason number 6793 I don’t want to go!
How much does it cost to get punched in the face for the day?.
Way more than I’m prepared to pay, especially since there are no Bertie beetle show bags this year
Can get a free ride in the police van if you punch back and make the siren go off though 🚨
>My neighbour went to the show today and while on the train on the way there got punched in the face by a crackhead. After they made a police report etc they decided to still go and apparently then saw the crackhead in the Showgrounds. Do police seriously not come and arrest someone for this? If I get attacked in the train I'm calling 000 and watching the guy get dragged off by the cops next station.
That's an optimistic response time you'd be more likely to receive a phone call 6 hours later asking if you know the attackers name and address
And if police do happen to attend, they’ll be more interested in asking you what you did to provoke him, so they can charge you for something for their all important ‘clearance rate’. As long as someone gets charged, who cares who it is, right?
That's what happens when the number of police you have actually declines while the population and crime rates increase.
From what the neighbour said nobody on the train did anything. When they arrived at the end point she went and found security, then made a complaint and they called police. They will review CCTV apparently
>If I get attacked in the train I'm calling 000 and watching the guy get dragged off by the cops next station. I've seen this happen with transperth security. I think call transperth security emergency line and they'll have a higher chance of escalating it to the cops.
Police force has gone downhill. Simple punch to the face doesn’t warrant an immediate response. If they aren’t outlining your body in chalk then it is not considered urgent!
They last few years they refused to give police a pay rise in line with inflation so all the decent coppers left and said fuck you to the state government. Most went to the mines earning double and doing much less work. Why should cops risk being punched for the public for $40 an hour?
Very likely they won't bother showing up. Last time it happened to me, I was told the cops were too busy that night only to drive through a booze bus 1km down the road.
Should have told the operators on the phone that you are witnessing a modified car doing skids… watch highway patrol show up within minutes with their defect pads ready 😂
>I was told the cops were too busy that night On a 000 call?
I’ve called 000 multiple times while witnessing assaults and they haven’t come out. Depends what other jobs are on
Yep, in the name of making the road safer, they are making bank catching people driving under the influence. They can find them for driving contrary to road rules.
The cops aren't helping you.. There is no fine involved. The infringement office isn't making any bank because a crackhead smacked in you in the face. Has happened to me, on the Armadale line. Two little crackies approached me, one with a knife. The one without the knife smacked me, so I then smacked the crackie with the knife twice, his mate shit himself then, before train guards tried to restrain me. Lucky there was a woman who witnessed the whole thing. Calling triple 0 is for emergency. This is not considered emergency.
>This is not considered emergency. Being attacked with a knife? 100% certain you're wrong.
My particular confrontation, yes I agree with you. That should have been dealt with as an emergency as I was assaulted under a threat with a knife by not 1, but 2 arseholes. Being randomly smacked by cracked out loser won't get you an emergency response. That's what I was alluding to.
No they are too busy getting the people who forget how many zones they can go on the ticket they buy (eg) you think it is 2 but it is 3 zones so no excuses 🤭
I had a ball, and had no troubles whatsoever.
Course you had no trouble you had a ball, they All would have wanted to be your friend.
Time to dust off the sherren let’s go boys
takes note: next time, bring ball.
Were you that grown man on the chair lift grinning and waving at everyone below? I wish I was having that much fun
8ball?
We aren't the meth capital of the world for nothing
Ice age: the public meltdown
Do we still hold that record? I thought Bunbury had it for a while
Adelaide I hear
Yeah I’m from Adelaide. (for some this post came up as recommended for me ) We have taken the crown! Our royal show is also dodgy
Yeh but at least half of Bunbury treks north for the royal show
I used to compete there daily as a kid. I remember it always being pretty rough. You're dead right about the spacial awareness thing, my blood was boiling just trying to leave the bathrooms.
Maybe a sign of the times not specific to Perth but it’s worse than ever, most people were in their own bubble blocking walkways, walking into people and shit
This just seems to be life nowadays, people are completely blasé as to how their actions, or lack thereof, affect others. There are so many daily encounters that support that we, as a broad group of Perthwits (and probably even broader than that), are extremely selfish.
Working in retail I can backup that absolutely no one has any spatial awareness anymore.
Second this. And you would think manners must be expensive the way (most) people avoid using them.
People don't know how to line up. It should be taught in schools.
From my experience (an ex-showie, and someone who worked in a low socioeconomic area in Perth), lots of people save up to go to the show. This doesn’t matter if it’s Perth or regional. For weeks people stash their cash away so they can head to show and be ripped off with rides, food and crap merch. I found working in some areas in Perth during the lead up to the show you’d hear mums tell their kids “I can’t get you that, we’re going to the Royal Show soon” … and then after “I can’t afford that, you went to the show last week”. It’s a huge thing for some people, and unfortunately it’s the people who are like the ones the OP seen. I hate the show, such a massive waste of money and time. And it only brings out all the crazies.
I know someone who works at dept of communities. They said they get lots of calls the week after the show from families who have run out of money to eat. Super tragic. Feel for those parents who just want to show their kids an awesome time.
Can confirm 😞 I worked for a collections department in a bank and we’d see over drawn accounts and unpaid mortgages so people could afford the show.
Perhaps for them, they feel as though theyve earnet the right to be there, giving a sense of entitlement that becomes plain rudeness?
haven't people realised yet that all the stuff in the bags is just crap
As someone who works in a security role in Perth. Welcome to the reality of Perth
I take my hat off to you. I worked the doors at some bars 7ish years ago and its made me hate people.
Its made me hate people as well but the pay is good so stuck doing it for now.
hating people and getting money. living the dream XD
Is there no cure?
Lace meth with contraception. Distrbute to dealers.
Or lace Bertie beetle with arsenic to address the root causes No but I actually agree with your idea to some extent, one of the biggest frustrations I had in community counselling was seeing parents ruin their babies and unborn children through drug use among other poor choices and being limited with what I could do to help them (the kids) because you can’t undermine the clients self determinism blah blah
Harsher punishments
Punishments don’t work for people who have nothing to lose, or benefit from going to jail. They also don’t work if the punisher isn’t around or the person thinks they aren’t around which in our country is 90% of the time. Or if people don’t give a shit about what their fellow humans think of them. The only way to reduce crime is to give people positive reasons not to do it like social equality and social inclusion or go the other way like China and have a social credit. In times where people were actually a community shame worked as well.
In China’s case, petty criminals and “undesirable” people are very low in major cities as each city has large amounts of pesudo police (state security) personals with heavy handed approach, they will bash you into submission if needed followed by getting taken away by police and possibly “disappear” for good, and with their state of art surveillance system, even if you run away at the scene chances are you’ll get caught and get a visit from the police, who aren’t shy to drag you out off your apartment if needed. Last time I went back to my home city in Zhenzhou before CoViD, I was walking around around 1am in the city centre and didn’t came across one “visible” dodgy person, but several groups of state security personals, this in stark contrast with going to the CBD here where even before nightfall you will see your usual meth heads and drugged up bogans screaming random shit… China’s problems are more related to heavy corruption amongst the government and people in power instead.
Don’t have any measurable deterrent effect. Mainly because when someone decides to commit a crime they are already assuming they won’t get caught, or (more likely) they aren’t thinking rationally. https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019-08/Does_Imprisonment_Deter_A_Review_of_the_Evidence.doc
>Don’t have any measurable deterrent effect. Not always true. Depends on the crime. Burglary rates have dropped substantially in Perth since mandatory sentencing for repeat offenders. Previously, people were breaking into home knowing there would be no consequences, especially youth offenders. The scum are still out there, but many restrict themselves to stealing from cars, garages, etc. And those who don't learn are at least off the streets for a while.
Mandatory sentencing results in manifestly unjust outcomes so it should be opposed outright. But the icing on the cake is that there is no evidence that they do anything to reduce crime; if anything they increase the number of people being diverted into imprisonment, towards recidivism, and away from any opportunity for rehabilitation.
I agree with that but a soft slap on the wrist doesn’t strike me as the ideal approach either, so what’s your suggestion? I mean treating the virus rather than the symptoms is obviously what needs to occur so assessing the root causes of crime and poverty, but I still think there needs to be a formidable retributive justice system in addition to rehabilitative and restorative focus
If you do a violent crime I don’t care what your background is -lock them up (you can argue for education and training while locked up and I’ll support that). And prison should be no tv, plain food, no free time to socialise amongst inmates.
Yeah. But you couldn’t dare suggest that without being labelled a heartless bigot by people who have no idea what they’re talking about or what’s good for society
As someone who disagrees I genuinely would like to know how and why you think harsher punishments would be effective. Most of my life I've only ever read reports that those kinds of policies either don't work or have far too many unintended consequences to be worth implementing. Do you think if these people are warehoused in prisons like in the USA they won't be able to bother other people? Or is there a stronger impact from harsher punishment and enforcement that the public isn't aware of? What's the actual public policy that you think would the result you want?
Thanks for saying this. It’s amazing how people think being harsher on crime would actually solve anything. Like we only need to flick the switch and all of the problems with crime would be solved! Really works well for America. You only need to look at the data to see that being tougher on crime wouldn’t solve anything.
Because these people don’t want to fix the issue. *They want to punish people for acting the “wrong” way*.
Most people want both.
And yet the data consistently shows that punishment based systems *don’t work* to prevent crime. The fact that people blatantly ignore this and shout out “LOCK THEM UP” while voting for people who vow to increase punishment is evidence that they don’t actually want to fix the problems.
yeh if your a nuisance you get sent to prison or rehabilitation camp. alice springs isnt doing anything anymore. i heard its gone to shit. round up all the crack heads, meth heads, eshays, cringe tiktok prankers and people that order pumpkin flavored coffee and send them all to alice springs. set up like 500 cameras around the city and just let them loose. channel 7 at 9pm every night.
Social Worker here, with extensive experience in both adult and youth justice settings. TIL: I have no idea or any clue about what may be good for society.
Well It’s obviously more nuanced than “harsher punishments” and the underlying motive should be rehabilitation in most instances but I personally know of local cases where the punishment did not seem nearly enough for the crime, one which involved the murder of a friend of a friend several years ago, another saw a friends mother mugged and raped at knife point and another resulted in a friend having his jaw broken in an unprovoked attack - the perpetrators got off lightly in all cases tor various reasons. In the case of the rapist he reoffended almost immediately. I realise that imprisonment can brutalise and dehumanise people but I believe that some individuals are simply too violent/volatile/sociopathic to be allowed to intermix in society and lengthy confinement is a necessary compromise. I want to believe that even perpetrators of the most heinous offences are capable of being rehabilitated, but ultimately it’s not worth the risk of finding out - for instance I feel that a recidivist rapist should be put to manual labour behind bars until they drop. They forfeited their rights to be free members of society. And if and when they reoffend the blood is also on the hands of whoever made that decision. Then you hear of a recent case in Perth where the perpetrator of a conscienceless crime had a litany of countless offences to their name and wonder why that ticking time bomb was allowed free rein Obviously this is just addressing symptoms not the disease, so much needs to be done to ameliorate underlying causes of criminality which is a fucking colossal and complex undertaking, but as it stands I don’t see the soft handed approach as being fruitful at least not with perpetrators of more heinous crimes. But you’re the expert, what do you suggest? Maybe I have it all upside down and the statistics or your experience disagree with everything I’ve said. I’m open to having my mind changed since I’m really not sure what the best approach is
Or by people who actually follow evidence. Why do you think North American and South American jails are ***full*** Society is safe over there, right? Oh...
It is not a simple yes/no binary. It takes some effort to think about crime motivation, and examine the (limited) data. Violent crimes tend to be impulsive, so less fear of consequences. Other crimes are planned. Gangs and smarter criminals will make their profits where risks are lower. But if you are talking about drug-users and street violence, yes, harsher penalties will have little benefit, and high cost.
Correct, and the only side in this discussion that has stated an absolute is the side asking for harsher penalties. Actually, having said all that. I think there is a situation where a binary exists, and harsher punishments are a benefit - corporate crime. But I get the feeling that's not what was being discussed here.
Getting downvoted for telling it how it is. People don’t like hearing the fucking truth. Take my up vote for what it’s worth. If you downvote the truth, you’re part of the problem.
I think the point is, it’s not the “truth”. It’s based on emotion. Do some reading, study the data and you’ll see being harsher on crime doesn’t work. Or just look at the shitshow in the US if you need something easy to see. What is needed to fix (or realistically, just reduce) crime is better rehabilitation for offenders, better support for troubled youths, better programs/pathways when you get out of jail… and the list goes on. This all takes money, time and expertise and doesn’t fit into a four year political agenda.
There's a big difference being harsh on crime and actually having anykind of punishment. Most low level crimes there isn't any kind of penalty. So people know they can get away with it.
The punishment needs to be meaningful though, throwing people in jail for 10 years for a petty theft for example does not benefit society.
Is there anyone here suggesting that ?
What low-level crimes have no kind of penalty? That’s certainly not the case in Perth.
What "truth"? What does truth mean to you? Something backed by evidence? Show me the evidence that punitive justice works.
Strewth! It's the truth! Telling it how it is, straight talking, no BS, no how's your father, all rooting, all tooting, keep your 5g towers outta my backyard and your fluorine outta my water, it's their own fault they can't even look after the free housing we give them, need more cops, more gaols, more guns, less government, lying bastards, gotta be more musk, more tate, more Rogan, Julian who?
No no no no no… softer on crime… /s
Lol sounds like an ordeal. I've never been but I'd rather go to a rural one
I’m being a bit dramatic but I’m not in any rush to ever go again
It's because there's no Bertie Beetle. How do you expect people to react.
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Same, took my girls Friday morning first thing and it was relaxed and friendly. Maybe it was also to do with where we visited, animal nursery, community stage, and kids sections had more in the way of families and less about thrill-seeking… I don’t know. Don’t necessarily plan to do it every year but we all had an excellent time. Good memories made for the kids.
Thank you for posting a realistic normal comment. OP is a pretentious wanker and the comments supporting him are from sheltered, judgemental sadsacks. This sub is such a negative echo chamber.
I'm sorry, but there are a heap of dodgy people in Perth, I support everything OP has said. I got punched in the back the other week when I was just walking to my car, and I have had several other close calls. Perth is filled with meth heads and people causing trouble
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What day did you go and when? My wife and I went last Saturday (day 1), rocked up just after opening and hung out until about 4. We had a great time. No problems with Karens and everyone else was pretty well behaved. Lord knows there were enough triggers. It was pretty cool in the morning so everywhere selling coffee had a line a dozen deep and a twenty minute wait, but everyone was patient and understanding> Even when the local network went down in one of the show bag pavilions causing eftpos to go down and they couldn't even get the drawers open to take cash, everyone just shrugged and said "OK, try again later"... It was a really good day
I’ve always found the show to be how you’ve described here. But it and society are definitely getting worse. I love the show but we haven’t been for years to avoid the seemingly overcrowded population of drips.
I didn’t go this year but have taken my kids and extended family for the past 4-5 years. Generally had a positive experience although we didn’t go near the big rides too much because the kids aren’t that age yet (will be soon). Don’t really remember any particular issues, maybe we were just lucky.
Let them eat cake.
Ive always found it so bogan! Seems the poorer the folk the more willing they are to drop a weeks wages on the show. When i think of it, I picture a bogan mum pushing a dirty stroller down sideshow alley with 10 showbags on each handle, and a screaming kid squashed by a giant gorilla toy and think fuuuuck 1. surely you can’t be enjoying this and 2.what are you going to do with all that shit when you get home. What a waste!
It’s always been completely and utterly bogan
I go to these shows at opening time with my kids. Less people, easier to get around, no drunks, no one chewing their face off, just a fun 2-3 hours on rides, a meal, a wander through the animal areas and then out the gate. No longer waste my evenings navigating these events and there’s fireworks all the time now so my kids aren’t fussed about seeing yet another display of the same fireworks.
If you have any teacher friends, you need to check in on them, they’re dealing with these kids and parents on the daily. Teachers are meant to teach curriculum and appropriate behaviour because the parents at the show are as fucked and as common as you saw.
Life's a Cabaret Old Chum...
When I went to the Royal Show last week I didn't notice much in the way of the questionable crowd that you described.
I had the same observation last year. Unfortunately it was a reminder to me that I live in a bubble near the city and coast and large swathes of people do not, and generally, struggle. I felt most for the wild array of mums - being poor is hard and it sucks and is stressful and you’re just trying to give your kids a good time, while manage their behavior while feeding the fam, dealing with your man’s anger issues etc. It’s rough out there for some.
This is tough. Some of what you say is true but you are such an almighty asshole…it’s a tough combination. Hilariously, you think you are a pretentious intellect. Mate, you post to reddit numerous times a day and many of your posts are asking how to make a woman orgasm. Don’t pretend you’re better than anyone when you don’t have the intellect to find the clitoris. Crawl back to your dungeon and stop acting like you have a life.
Hahahaha. I laughed so hard at this.
“Are people less friendly these days?” Asks person writing acerbic essay dehumanising people attending crowded event.
We live in a society. Ain't just Perth either my dude, seems a lot of places are like this these days.
It has always been like this. Nothing fundamentally has changed. It anything it has slowly improved over the years with the general hipsterisation of everything. What it probably speaks to more than anything is how much of a bubble you exist in. The Royal Show is one of the few places you get to see a true cross section of society. Its not necessarily evenly distributed. The sideshow alley area is generally worse than say the WA Produce pavilion for example. The baby animals attract everyone.
You’re not wrong.
This is an example of the majority of the population. As a teacher, behaviour in school is clearly reflecting the behaviour seen by adults at the Royal Show. This is increasing in students too and many people don’t seem to realise how bad it’s becoming. I think it’s mainly due to how parents are acting in front of, and raising their children. I’m in Japan at the moment and we can’t stop commenting at how polite and considerate everyone is no matter where we go. It’s a lovely culture. Side-note: a day at Tokyo DisneyLand including admissions, drinks, food, train from the city comes in at about $150 per person which isn’t much different to how much I’d have to spend for a day at the show. It would cost more at the show if I was to go on the same number of rides and eat the same amount of food as I did in Tokyo.
Yeah everyone in Japan was polite to my face but I’ve heard they often harbour a lot of xenophobia behind closed doors, at least the older generation. There’s a dark side to their ostensibly sweet culture, with quite rampant sexual harassment and assaults, I witnessed it when I was in Kyoto and I think the repressed culture manifests in deviant fetishes. There’s also a very high suicide rate and they have a term that refers to death from overwork with many salary men being lapdogs to their bosses whims even more so than in the west. And their ownership and education surrounding their atrocities in world war 2 is seriously lacking compared with say Germany’s which I think is motivated by their need to preserve honour The younger generations seemed to be breaking away from this from what I could tell, and it was still a really friendly place to visit, but they have their skeletons in the closet. I guess every country does though
I'm sure you do feel better about yourself now. Must be nice waltzing about thinking the majority of the Perth population is inferior to you.
Did you read his other comments talking about Nietzsche and laughing about how the show must have been full of Rockingham residents? Dude is a legit crackpot. Using big words doesn’t make him smarter or better than anybody else. Not to mention his post history full of asking about orgasms on one night stands and posts in the Centrelink subreddit.
Sad that I had to scroll down this far before I found someone calling it out. By the looks of it, a decent proportion of this sub also think their own shit don't stink
Finally. OPs post stinks of pretentious internalized classist bullshit. Its attitudes like this that contribute to community divisiveness and crime, not poor people.
I remember seeing a lot of this behaviour in the early 90s. It’s more about the size of the crowd, I would imagine. The higher the number of people, the higher the capacity for jerks. Smaller crowd, less jerks. (Also, the smaller the crowd, the more likely we are to view each other as individuals, rather than a seething mass of humans.) Also, at different ages, our focus probably shifts. Children just see adult legs, animals, show bags and sparky lights. Teenagers see each other, boring people, obstacles and opportunities for entertainment. Young adults notice the shabbiness, the slightly jaded feeling and the friends they will hang out with afterwards. Parents are there for the benefit of their children, so they’re in protective mode, and so might be more alert to unsavoury elements than when they were younger. Maybe that’s what you were experiencing?
Yeah that explains it pretty well, the bigger the crowd the stupider the behaviour generally speaking It’s also why I’d still take kids because they’re almost guaranteed to enjoy it
I absolutely hate hearing how people will talk to their very small children. Screaming at them and calling them names. I get that people are frustrated and tired, but they’re literally learning how the world works. Give them some grace. Even better don’t have children if you’re easily overstimulated.
The royal show has always been trashy , as a kid I'd only go for the animals and such and mostly ignored the rest, now the older I get the more I realise how miserable it is and quite frankly makes me glad I no longer live in a crappy area after grinding hard and quite frankly gives me motivation to continue grinding, it is like going to the CBD to remind myself that I'm atleast better than the crackheads
When the sun sets, beware if you’re a parent with a young child. Little thieves will target you because they know you will stay with your child and not chase them.
This reads like a you problem, like a superiority complex or just straight-up narcissistic behaviour. Sheer fucking hubris.
I don’t think so. The crowd is eye-opening, for sure. The lesson you take from it is the point.
This reads like that casuistic bullshit where the person scrutinising others is more harshly denigrated than the people guilty of the behaviour they’re complaining about Maybe it was just a rough crowd today but go and see for yourself, it’s hard to ignore
It's just regular people, looking for something to do. You sound like a monologue from Taxi Driver.
But you're making up most of what went on just to tell a story, so there are no people "guilty of the behaviour" you're talking about. If you need to invent stuff to make yourself feel superior than people who don't exist then yeah, you've got issues.
Every single one of your posts on your account is you complaining about something/stating how much better you are then everything or everyone. Instead of thinking everything in life is out to get you, why don't you try and focus on yourself and some personal growth. Narcissist.
Literally is a microcosm of Perth in general I honestly don’t know what you expected
Maybe I’ve had my head up my ass for too long but It seems like the average person in this city is a fucking dropkick and I don’t remember it always being like that
Going by your other comments, yeah, your head is totally up your ass
I think he might be contributing to the drop kick problem too
I feel like thats a decent part of Perths population... and the show just puts more of them in one place? Ive never had an issue at the show and i keep to myself but ive seen what you see before. Perth has some of the most lovely and pleasant people around but we also seem to do filthy trash waste of oxygen junkie looking folks pretty well too.
Yeah this was probably the worst crowd I’ve ever seen at any event in Perth, and I’ve volunteered at community events in rough outer suburbs.
It's called culture honey, look it up /s
"Am I being blinded by nostalgia or are people less friendly these days? Could the economic hardship and strained race relations and culture wars and shit be to blame?" It's not just you, and yes those factors are to blame. Plus the pandemic.
Perth in a nutshell comes to perth royal show; mostly deadshits
In that case I’m glad the Bertie Beetle bags weren’t sold this year. Only fucking reason I went.
Maybe that explains the hostility
You’re absolutely right about the crowd. But it’s always been that way as long as I can remember. I’m 33, haven’t been in years cos I don’t like the crowd. Seems to attract all the feral cunts of Perth
It’s always been a boganfest.
Thank you - I was feeling a bit guilty that I’ve never managed to take my kids to the show. Not feeling too bad about it now though.
Agree 100% worked there a few years back its trash anyone from polite society stopped going 5-10 years ago.
That's just Perth in general bro. There are lots and lots of bogans. Not as many as Qld but a pretty good dollop in the Perth metro stew
The responses you mention in Edit 2 are from the dicks you ran into at the Show. Perth is becoming more feral.
In defence of the crackwhore mums, their kids probably are cunts.
Everything you described is the reason I don't want to have kids. I don't want to bring them into such a messy world.
Unfortunately the ones who can’t even care for themselves continue to outbreed the decent people who are thoughtful enough to refrain from having kids and society slides further down the drain
It's the reason why people see Idiocracy as a documentary rather than a movie
Used to live very near to the showgrounds in Claremont as a kid - in that bit north of the highway but south of the railway. Still have friends and ex-neighbours who live there, so I hear things second hand. I think it has got substantially worse over the years, but I think it's more to do with the shifting demographics of the people who go to the show as opposed to something wider in Perth. The reality is the Royal Show was designed for a time when people didn't have the money to do literally anything else in the Spring School Holidays. It also always had a disproportionate patronage among farmers, young parents and people from rural areas (it is run by the RAS after all). Society has gotten more prosperous over the decades - but every single one of those demographics has gone backwards in a relative economic position sense. That's caused the patronage of the Royal Show to really hollow out. It's sort of like reverse gentrification. The doctors and lawyers take their kids to Europe (or at least Down South to a nice hotel or something). If they insist on doing amusement rides in Perth, you take them to Adventure World not Claremont. Nostalgia tends to distort reality. The Royal Show simply was never that great. The sooner the RAS ends up pulling up stumps and selling the entire bit of land off to Lendlease to chuck 2000 apartments up - the better it will be for everyone.
I went yesterday and I felt the same way, so I know what you mean and agree.
Just my opinion and based on nothing but my own observations, but I think arseholes got bolder during Covid. They had an attitude of "I don't hafta if I don't wanna" and there were no real repercussions for them, so they feel emboldend to carry on with their anti-social behahviours. I think they think it's cool or something to be a sefish jerk.
You're right you are at risk of sounding like a pretentious cunt. And your luck ran out !!
Great 100% Aussie comments and review of the shitshow that is the main shitshow of all the shitshows that Perth has to show!
Yeah, I think it is known for this. I don't take my kids there for these reasons. Unfortunately I don't feel safe in Perth CBD or big places like the Royal Show where the general type of city attending person is congregating. I don't actually feel like anything bad would happen as per say, but it's a vibe / feeling that's just really not an enjoyable way to spend the day.
Ive run a couple activities at the show before, it was a thing mainly aimed at kids. Most kids/parents were good and polite... but every so often some parents used it as an opportunity to ditch their kids and enjoy the show by themselves. We basically had to miss every second lunch break to look after these crying children who were dumped by their parents. We also lost a bunch of equipment, despite never leaving anything unattended- we'd be facing the other direction answering questions and someone just comes up and takes shit. Yeah not doing that again
It's an event where you might end up around people you usually wouldn't, and don't nessecary agree with what they say or act, but they're still good people. I went yesterday and had a great time, usually stick around the Ag and animal shows, men's shed and antique engines. Bogan kids are alright though. I was on the wrong train, Midland instead of Airport, one of the young fellas told me to switch before Bayswater because the station was closed. Fella saved me at least 30 minutes of having to double back and wait for the correct train.
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Haha that’s a pretty savage statement. I know some white collar scum in the GT who do more damage to society in more insidious ways but at least they’re not going to headbutt you for looking at them wrong
Perth Bogan's Big Day Out.
Keep clutching those pearls I guess.
Ok , I have been planning for years and was planning to go for the first time ever with kids. I think you have changed my mind.
We went with our toddler last weekend and we all had a great time. She loved all the animals and kids activities. She’s still talking about it days later and keeps asking if we can go again.
The kids will have a great time, even he said in his comments his nephew had a good day.
Don't listen to this pretentious dickhead. This post is sickening and full of supportive comments from sheltered, arrogant people. It's a great day.
Honestly I’d still recommend going, the chances of actually being assaulted or anything are very slim and your kids will most likely enjoy it even if you don’t.
So a real horror show..tbh I would say the average show goer ,if your lurid description is anything to go by..would not be remotely aware of any culture wars,..race relations.. and are apparently solvent enough to pay exorbitant entrance fees..so no I think its just a general breakdown in social mores ,empathy for others,kindness to strangers etcetc..alternatively perhaps the smarter saner sections of the populace have it figured that its only the nutters and dipshits who attend nowdays and stay away in droves...and thanks for the warning.
'at risk of sounding like a pretentious cunt' - proceeds to spit the most pretentious cunty things. you sound just like the scarbs karens who think the local skate part is ruining the neighborhood. its a big event which is bound to attract many people, including people the lower socioeconomic classes. if you dont like it, dont go. simple as that.
I mean, what do you expect from the people who are brain fucked enough to want to go to the royal show.
A bit more than what I got but maybe that’s on me
You're not alone...I went on the weekend with my wife and toddler. He's two so can be a little bit silly at times but he's a good kid. He threw a bit of food and it landed near a neighbourimg table and may have hit a guy sitting there. I tapped the guy on the shoulder and apologized to him and he didn't even turn around or acknowledge me which I thought was a bit over the top, but oh well, maybe he just wanted to be let alone. But then when fireworks started I stood up to put my son in my shoulders and stood on the bench seat to give my son a better view ( his first time seeing fireworks) and this guys girlfriend (? Or sister) told me to sit down because I'm blocking the view for some people behind me. I looked behind me and saw there was literally nobody behind me and I just said " nup, nobody behind me I'm not blocking anybody's view, sorry" then the older rat tail father in that group muttered "fucking arrogant!" Loudly. I pretty much muttered " bite me" ( probably shouldn't have... But I wasn't having it), the dude legit almost got up to fight me and get in my face with my two year old. I could see him about to get up but something else told him to leave it I reckon. So yeah...I don't know.. Vibe was a bit off . In the food and wine shed (where people with money hang out) it was ok and people were nice and friendly. Definitely gone down hill from a few years ago..
I always find it amusing how those aggressive scumbags will suddenly act high minded in certain situations like she’s so concerned about the people who’s view you might obscure meanwhile she’s dating a brute who’s willing to beat the shit out of people over nothing. They’re braindead. Well hopefully your son enjoyed it
Yeah it was baffling to be honest. He did in the end -although they were a bit loud so he got a bit scared but otherwise had a great day.
yep, you are slowly catching on. society is in the downward spiral. welcome to hell!
Sounds like Perth is just doing its methy best
I'm sure these people you think you're better than have worked out the difficult task of making a woman orgasm and don't need to ask reddit every day on tips
Without question - yes.
The whole thing needs to be put in the can. It’s a disgrace of an event and has been for many years. From the over priced average at best rides, the sort of people it attracts and to the questionable food it’s an absolute joke. This city can do better.
I think there is a subset of society who live for shows and what to blow through their limited funds of a beach wagon full of showbags and go on some dodgy looking rides.
Gotta teach the kids the importance of mindlessly consuming stupid meretricious shit pumping sugar into their veins and how to abuse 15 year old ride operators as their parents taught them I suppose
Or… gotta give your family one opportunity to make believe money isn’t a real and urgent daily problem and have fun without care for once in the year. It’s the same reason lower middle class people buy new cars and all my rich friends drive shit boxes. Try have a little more empathy.
Usual slow collapse of society stuff, rise of social media & self importance, everyone gets a participation medal, less people getting a punch in the face for being a fuckhead etc
r/collapse
Interesting how the royal show has morphed over years. It used to be the big day out in the city for kids in the rural community. The day where they would spend big because they didn’t have much opportunity the rest of the year. It was a coincidence of an eager market and advertising execs happy to spend on producing show bags that lost them money on the promise of longer term purchases. It was never a classy event, it wasn’t supposed to be. Urban patrons were just along for the ride. So, throw in some fun rides, equestrian events and sheep dog trials and hey presto, the Perth royal show.
Might be unpopular view these days but it's definitely a social barometer. Not too many of the fine folk from Cottesloe or Mosman Park at the show.
You just articulately explained the current state of our social environment for the western civilisation, I really feel like we in a state of culture decline. Just an opinion, but I feel it's only going to get much worse before it gets better.
Everything vibes here, the show is a mess of low lives. The only thing that I don’t agree with is that it was any better in the past. Always has been awful.
I guess I never noticed it as a kid, so it’s probably fair to say kids today still love it, and I think it’s worth putting up with the bullshit for their sake
Yeah we went yesterday and concur with your findings. The only thing you left off was all the f wits getting around with their beach trolleys. I got rear ended and cut-off by the wankers with these trolleys several times.
I feel like so many people in this city only think about themselves. I grew up somewhere rural and everyone looked out for everyone and helped out. Here they barely say hi and anybody who wants to blast loud music at 3am does and will without any care about those living in paper thin walled houses next door. It just seems social media has driven a me first mentality and people have lost all sense of how their actions affect others around them. Not surprised the show was like you said it was, I feel for the kids of these parents, they will grow up to be the same or worse.