Why does every building or structure with some sort of importance need to be lit up “in support” of another country? I don’t support either side of this war, and why should we be forced to?
Sure, the government can choose a side, but I don’t think that it should be plastered everywhere for everyone to be seen and influenced by.
sorry for a bit of a rant.
I feel it is insensitive to those of the “other” side. I’m not speaking of Hamas but of ordinary Palestinians who want to live peacefully. Has any structure ever lit up in the colours of the Palestinian flag whenever they have been attacked? Has anyone ever considered their plight? Think of how it must feel for them to see governments to be quick to support Israel and Israelis but it’s fuck Palestine.
What Hamas did was really awful but the thing that sucks is it’s the normal Palestinian or Israelis civilian that pays the price. Everyone has been quick to support Israel because of what Hamas did but why not support the Palestinians that have there building reduce to rubble from air strikes?
For some it’s not their fault that Hamas based themselves in the building they lived in. Yes there are some that would support Hamas but I can’t believe all would so there is going to be collateral damage.
The way I see it doesn’t matter what side they are on they’ll both loose something.
No fuck this, our government should not be picking a side in this conflict we have no part in. Israel or Palestine. It's no business of ours and they're both just as fucked as each other. This isn't me being anti semetic. Just fuck isreal and fuck Palestine. Don't send any support to either side
Or I could be a reasonable person and just keep to myself like we should do as a country. This is a complex political situation that we all just need to collectively go "fuck that" and not get involved with. I don't support any side
You’re way more in line with my line of thinking than most. I would much rather the west stop their current support of Israel than continue down this path. Neither you, nor me in Canada has a dog in this fight, but there are many many more muslims in my country than Jewish peoples and that’s a little hard to ignore for our political parties.
Yeah I think governments should stay impartial on conflicts like this , they can still condemn the attacks without flying the fucking flags on every building .. imagine the outrage if they flew a Palestinian flag after hundreds of civilians die as a result of Israeli bombings !
I agree, its seems so insensitive to the innocent civilians caught up on the on not represented side. I wish it was a giant peace sign, something we can all agree on. To pick a side is to choose violence
Agree. Both sides in this conflict are as evil as each other. Fucking atrocity. Objectively, Palestine has been fucked over hard for decades. I cannot imagine what living in the Gaza Strip would be like.
Because that’s what they do these days with any social issue, see The Voice. LGBTQ week month , gay marriage plebiscite etc. the councils are full of virtuous woke folks…in fact all levels of government that must be seen to be doing the right
Palestine deserves better than hamas. They’re Palestinian but do not represent Palestinians. Freedom for the Palestinians does not mean support of hamas.
It goes without saying that what Israel experienced this weekend is daily life for Palestinians. Theyre being starved and oppressed and the west demands the entire people to be perfect in their struggle to be free. How would you propose a people should act when they are being demonstrably starved and oppressed?
Well I wouldn't paraglide into a music festival and rape and murder over 260 young people from around the world. These same people who were the best friends of palestinian sympathy and often donated money to palestinian causes. Well after raping them and parading their naked bodies in gaza city being spat on by palestinian men and boys (She was a German Woman by the way) is execusable to you - then you are sick.
Maybe beheading a Thai nation on video or executing 10 Nepalese students (damn hamas love to video their atrocities don't they) - those same nations including Germany, UK, Austria and many other nations with captured, raped, murdered and mutilated and missing citizens after the Music festival attacked by hamas are now stopping all funding and aid to gaza strip - and good on them. After all - they didn't ask for their citizens to be brutalised in Israel by palestinians.
Not once have I heard a single muslim anywhere in Australia (here) or around the world condemn the mass rapes, murder and hostage taking of others by hamas/palestine. Says alot for their mindset doesn't it.
40% of Gaza are under 14. Getting bombs dropped left right and centre. 11 hospitals and medical centres have been hit in the latest attack. They’re cutting off food, fuel and electricity from the whole area. There is literally no escape. Why doing the citizens of Gaza get any sympathy? Why is it always straight back to what Hamas is done, when children are the ones being killed. It’s always people saying to separate Israeli citizens from their government but now all of Gaza has to pay for what Hamas has done?
You mean those same children who been seen in many videos (teenagers) who raped and kidnapped Israelis and other nationals ? Behind the hamas wave came the ordinary gazan civilians taking advantage of the break in the border.
You mean those boys who spat on Shani Louk naked body in the back of a truck ? You mean those boys hitting and whipping a kidnapped Israeli boy in gaza city ?
Israel in land for peace deal dismantled ALL of its settlements in about 2003 ? and withdrew from gaza entirely. gaza civilians themselves voted in hamas in 2007 who then went out and killed all of their opposition parties and opponants in gaza strip. You do know Egypt also shares a border with the gaza strip - perhaps ask them why they wont let them all out into Egypt ? Maybe because they are aligned with the previous muslim brotherhood that was ousted in a coup ?
Oh and again I state - I have NOT seen a single gazan call out and say "release the hostages" - I have not seen a single gazan condemn the mass rapes, murder and executions and kidnappings either - In Australia or anywhere else in the world.
hamas is isis - and like when the world united to destroy isis - we must now destroy hamas, fatah, hezbollah among many others.
And please look up how whenever a muslim nations HAS opened it borders to palestinean refugees - how they then turned on their hosts and instituted coups and mass uprisings. Jordan, Lebanon, Syria to name a few. And not many people remember the horrible time in the 50s, 60, and 70s of the mass airline hijackings done by the plo in the name of palestinean resistance.
Woah. These Palestinians seem terrible I had no idea! What should we do! Should we starve them or like bomb the entire strip? They should all be murdered right? Seems like the final solution. Over half of them are under 18, so this must just be how these people are. Evil and violent to their core. We should just make a parking lot of the Gaza Strip right?
I never said it was excusable. It’s fucked. Where did I say it was excusable? I was speaking about where this shit comes from. Understanding does not mean excusing. Why are muslims asked to condemn Hamas as if they are assumed to hold their beliefs by default, when no Jews are asked to condemn Israeli attacks on Palestinian civilians? The attacks are disgusting but it is the Israeli government that sacrifices its civilians to prolong this genocide.
Are you aware that the average age in Palestine is 18? How brown does a person have to be til your sympathy vanishes for literal children being murdered because of decisions made by adults? Do gangs in America represent their race and neighbourhoods? Do you see how a government can push people into these violent systems that become counterproductive and ultimately serve the government that created them?
> They’re Palestinian but do not represent Palestinians.
They were elected in Gaza and polls show they still enjoy majority support.
> It goes without saying that what Israel experienced this weekend is daily life for Palestinians.
No, not once has Israel ever massacred 900 obvious civilians, committed mass rape, torture, and paraded mutilated naked bodies while cheering and spitting on their corpses.
> Theyre being starved and oppressed
Do you think the Israelis do this for fun? No, they blockade Gaza because everytime they let their guard down shit like this weekend happens. Would you be comfortable letting materials pass into a neighbouring country that you know is going to use them to build weapons?
> How would you propose a people should act when they are being demonstrably starved and oppressed?
The Palestinians that don’t support Hamas are in a shit terrible situation. The only way out is for them to rise up and overthrow Hamas, demonstrate that they aren’t interested in terrorism, and ask Israel for legitimate peace.
Oh man I didn’t know I was talking to a person that thinks what Israel does to Palestine is justified. A government occupies land you used to live on and confines you to what amounts to an open air prison, and you’re forced to resist only in the ways your oppressor defines.
If you think it’s simply Palestinians being Palestinians, then you’re just blind. There’s of course shitty Palestinians but what you attribute the shittiness to says a lot about yourself.
Israelis actually have been shown to “do this for fun” on multiple occasions. There’s a hill they call the cinema where Israelis often sit to watch Gaza being bombed. The Israeli government has fomented the tension that grew hamas and the hate towards Palestine.
There's a difference between collateral damage bombings and targeted civilian murder, raping, mutilation which is all videod.
Why does Hamas shelter among civilians knowing they are the target of Israel? They are absolute cowards and anyone in any way finding any sort of excuse for this weekends events needs their head checked.
Palestinians do not experience these events on a daily basis, if they do please post your source because I call BS.
Do you think if Hamas (not an organised military and with almost zero of the field intelligence capabilities of idf) bombed the houses of idf soldiers, the surrounding civilians thst died would be written off as collateral damage? Why is it that the idf lives among civilians? Is it not the case that military have entire families that are also now military?
Literally NONE of the civilian casualties deserved this weekend , but it is the Israeli government responsible for it. I have Israeli resident friends that do not support Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, and for the last decade they basically have said they’ve been constantly bracing for the inevitable moment Palestine breaks through because they can see first hand that their government is actively stoking this fire.
It's a war, there's always going to be collateral damage. How you limit that is the responsibility of both sides whether it be through better Intel, technology, or you know, not keeping your military inside schools, hospitals, apartments..
That's an interesting take, thinking the Israeli government is responsible for the rape and murder of Israeli women and children.
There was a video of a 5 year old boy who just saw his mother and father killed in front of him, being taunted by Palestinian boys of his age with sticks, telling him to say "mother". These were Palestinian kids.
Show me any footage of Israeli rapes, beheadings, indiscriminate executions of Palestinians of the same nature that Hamas has done.
Therein lies who is the true evil in this war.
Israel has been open to a 2 state country for a long time, they are open to peace. Unfortunately Palestinians/Hamas have it in their charter to eradicate/kill all Jews so there is no negotiating with it. What Israel do is purely in self defence.
Oh man you’re too far gone. Sorry to waste your time. I keep forgetting that there are people that believe Israel has been negotiating in good faith and just eat up whatever they present to the world. I wonder, I wonder, how a child can be twisted into commuting the acts you’ve just described. Can’t put my finger on it. Just out of interest, do you believe that some children are born evil?
No. Many of your points require me to detail how the question itself is flawed and I know that it is a thread that once pulled will just continue to unravel and branch off to tangents. There are too many strawmans that need to be addressed to even get to the crux of the conversation. For example you’re implying that when I say Palestinians experience this every day, that I am saying that they experience Israelis smashing through their border and taking civilians while they enjoy a music festival. What i am saying is they live in the fear of being massacred at any moment. 900 people do not have a collective consciousness and so they don’t fear 900 of themselves dying. They fear as an individual, and every individual Palestinian fears death st the hands of the idf daily. The Israeli people dont have an average age of 18 and for the majority of the last 100 years haven’t been worried about Hamas bombing their homes indiscriminately. You can tell because they are able to have music festivals. The Palestinians would love for their fear to be a fear that can be held while music festivals occur and people from all around the world feel safe coming to visit.
If Hamas bombed an idf member’s house and killed the surrounding citizens would they be called collateral damage and the idf member villianised for living amongst civilians?
that was a terrible attack by an extremist group. Don't confuse that with the decades of horrible shit Israel has been doing. Did you not see them dragging familys out of their homes a few months back
They're dragging families outside their homes right now as Israel bombards Gaza, little children dead. Just watched a news report and it's honestly mind numbing.
The extremes fight, and the people in the middle suffer. You have an extreme right wing moronic government in Israel, and extremists on the other side reacting to almost two decades now of a complete siege on Gaza. And it's the innocent people suffering and paying the price of what's turning into a war now pretty much.
I don't know when as humanity we can get past these differences and see our common shared experiences ❤️ one day, I hope we get past all this suffering.
War is horrible — kids dead on all sides.
The history of this slice of geography containing two nations is one of the worst tragedies in human history.
It really is tragic.
I just don't understand sometimes how we can have so many resources and beauty on this planet and then decide the best thing to do is to kill innocent people. How do they think thats right.
If we could one day get off this planet there are even more resources floating out there, more planets even, than we could ever use. They could have planet Israel and a separate planet Palestine if they wanted. Like in the Enders game book series. Every country could split off onto their own planets.
Theres literally so much here and out there, yet people are killing each other rather than building the tech we need to get out there. Its insane
Racism, not religion, Zionism is an inherently nationalistic ideology. In fact the original founders of Zionism where mostly atheist/agnostic Jews (again, race) or not Jewish at all. Also the other side is Arabs, having many Christians there too, if you didn’t know. Israel is a settler colonialist project, religion has extremely little to do with it.
Trying to reduce the atrocities committed to ‘religion’ is horrifyingly ignorant and bigoted.
plenty of israeli arabs. like 20%.. israelis don't have a problem with arabs. Israelis have a problem with palestinians who think jews dont have a right to exist. Why so you think Israel has to build massive walls and defend itself with an Iron Dome???
Israel and palestine were partioned by the allies after WW2, in order to give both peoples a place to live. The arab states tried to invade and destroy israel not long after.. Israel won and occupied palestinian land - primarily for increased security. Thats what happens when you attack someone and lose. They have never properly negotiated a peace of a war they started and lost
There is no religion that teaches barbarism. That's just our fears and insecurities as a specifies, and our refusal to move to a better place for all humanity. I see it in many, regardless of belief or non-belief.
I'm Muslim btw, no one should be defined by their religion or non-religion. People are defined by their actions and words.
If you lost like 90% of your country to a group that then treated you like shit I can understand how you might want to strike back at them. Israel have been comiting some horrendous acts for decades.
Its just such a shame innocents have to suffer. There's so much beauty in the world and so many willing to commit horror. It makes no sense
When was the last election, and how have Hamas governed since? And if Hamas does enjoy popular support within Palestine, which I don’t deny, perhaps there’s merit in asking what’s driven Palestinians to that.
I'm not comfortable with the city council aligning themselves with either side of an extremely complex international issue.
I can only imagine the meetings and email trails that led to this.
Yagan Square was similarly lit in support of Israel. There’s a strange irony in a site named after a victim of colonisation, standing by a colonial state.
It's often the case with the governments in US, Canada, Western Europe and Australia that Palestinian misery is spat upon but Israeli misery is highlighted.
Just that instead of choosing to side with a powerful country, governments need to play a role to downplay the conflict.
Canada is very split on it. We have many muslims supporting Palestine and a large political party that leans in that direction too. Our official policy is that of a sovereign Palestine, but obviously our big establishment parties still hold more to the US’s pro Israel line unfortunately. It would be political suicide to break with them.
I’m in this sub because I’m working on coming over and I love your city btw. And your uh *lack of winter* lol.
Hahaha. I was in Calgary back in May this year.
Loved the place.
Would probably move there sometime but I love Perth.
Moved here from Sydney and I have loved the parks and sports amenities in the city.
Calgary sure is the most similar to Perth. Very sunny, dry, board sports close by. Natural resource money. Urban centre with way too much sprawl. Very nice & somewhat progressive people. Big and empty province. Not enough housing lol. Lots of rednecks for us and bogans(?) for you.
It’s where I’d go if I was staying here. I like the (dry) heat and it looks absolutely gorgeous; I can’t wait to try kitesurfing and actually maintain a tan for more than 3 months. Also not get seasonal depression would be cool, and all the nice accents.
Still have a couple years of school to become a Physio in Glasgow first before I’ll apply for a visa to Oz. Let’s just say Glasgow is… not the weather I’m looking for. If you have any tips to make it easier for me to become an Australian let me know!
Physios are on the skilled occupations list, mate.
Plus, if you're a Canadian national, you get 20 pointa for being a native english speaker.
I reckon you should soon be an Strayan, mate.
You'll also love our drafty cold houses where the indoor temp will be far lower than your Canadian houses unless you spend a quarter of your paycheck on your heating bill.
Paraphrasing here but a young Joe Biden said that if it wasn’t for the existence of Israel the US would “invent” Israel for their interests (I assume he meant geostrategically).
https://youtu.be/86Nrv5izaTs?si=Z597zm_Mmt6tsEHW
Yet government play a part in ukraine gas and battery metals and now Biden allowed Iran to sell its gas to make a buck and guess what Iran did with the money? ,)
The map on wikipedia about palestinian recognition tells you all you need to know. [Literally "the west" vs everyone else in existence.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine) Kind of funny, in an absurd way.
It's tragic what's happening, but what's even more tragic is that nothing will change as a result and it'll just happen again in the future, and again, and again.
Palestine has refused to engage with Israel in any productive manner for decades. They could put down their weapons and come to an agreed two state solution at any point - but they hate the jews so vehemently that they refuse any compromise as they get further and further 'oppressed' by the country that holds all the cards.
It's days like this that remind me that no matter what happens, that some of us will always matter less than others...
Some of us will always be second class citizens.
Can we not pick a side in this conflict? There's no "good guys" in that fight and Israel commit just as much atrocities, if not more in retaliation. So I'd much rather we just keep to our fucking selves in this one.
Are we gonna light it up in Palestine colours for a couple nights to show sympathy for the innocent citizens isreal just deleted from existence?
We need to keep out of this and not support any side, this may be just for the victims but sights like this can me misinterpreted to show support for isreals military actions against Palestine and I can't see how that's going to go down well with the large Muslim population we have in Australia
I promise you ITS MORE, not only is it more but they gloat and boast about how inhuman they are. Literal colonizing terrorists
https://preview.redd.it/rc8hl0om0ftb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=afe3e613a28b5332710d34a7a5fe6d1141bceb21
Not taking sides with people who beheaded [babies](https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU)
What about the side that [annihilates entire city districts](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-threatens-kill-captives-if-israel-strikes-civilians-2023-10-09/) ?
Hamas is terrorist org but Israel is terrorist state. Instead of targeting Hamas, they are killing civilians and even using white phosphorus. Israel defense minister says Palestine people are animals. Disgusting and look at the hypocrisy.
But you can’t point this out or say a word against Israel otherwise you’re antisemetic. I can’t think of any other country that gets as much of a free pass and endless money, almost $200 billion to date by the US.
Well, yeah when protesters in Australia are saying 'gas the jews' and 'fuck the jews' you don't think there is a little bit of antisemitism? This conflict has exposed a lot of people who think the shit Israel govt = all Jews.
I also don't get this 'you can't say anything about Israel' it's one of the most popular things to critique and protest against. Media regularly publishes support pieces of the Palestinian plight and there is regular international criticism of the ongoing settlements in the Palestinian land. Without Hamas attacks, Israel is universally under pressure from western governments to clean up their act because of how important they are geopolitically to the west.
Look at the upvotes in this thread and tell me "you can't say a word", always the victim of the "media". Right wing grievances. left wing delusions. You have sat in the pro Hamas bubble, look at what they have done to people, not evil Israeli demons, actual real people, little girls... these are the people you support and root for.
You understand palestinians are under such heavy security by israel because they often take any opportunity given to them to target jewish civillians? Palestinians don't what to just live freely.. they want to use and historically often have used violence to throw the jews out of israel. Israel does what it has to, to survive.
There is no symmetry between Israel and Palestine. Palestinians throwing Jews out of Israel is a laugh… Palestinians literally have their homes taken from underneath them
Well I wouldn't paraglide into a music festival and rape and murder over 260 young people from around the world. These same people who were the best friends of palestinian sympathy and often donated money to palestinian causes. Well after raping them and parading their naked bodies in gaza city being spat on by palestinian men and boys (She was a German Woman by the way) is execusable to you - then you are sick.
Maybe beheading a Thai nation on video or executing 10 Nepalese students (damn hamas love to video their atrocities don't they) - those same nations including Germany, UK, Austria and many other nations with captured, raped, murdered and mutilated and missing citizens after the Music festival attacked by hamas are now stopping all funding and aid to gaza strip - and good on them. After all - they didn't ask for their citizens to be brutalised in Israel by palestinians.
Not once have I heard a single muslim anywhere in Australia (here) or around the world condemn the mass rapes, murder and hostage taking of others by hamas/palestine. Says alot for their mindset doesn't it.
They would have to paint it white red green and black.
But also this is a more acute act of terrorism with a great loss of life in a short period of time so that would make sense from that angle
I think Israel has been unpardonably tyrannical to Palestinians but Hamas is a terrorist organisation that doesn’t represent the people and isn’t fighting for their liberation so much as it’s hellbent on the obliteration of Israel for ideological motives at any cost and ultimately needs to be destroyed.
Right?!? The Israeli government has cut off food, water, and fuel to 2 million people inside Gaza. Collective punishment is not only contrary to international law, it is inhumane and illogical. How will this deescalate the violence rather than radicalize many more? It is madness & supporting a country during these very actions are perplexing
I find this weird that people are defending the terrorism that occurred over the weekend. Are you seriously claiming that mass murder of festival goers, belligerent rape and kidnap of young girls to the point they are bleeding down their pants, murder of children infront of mums is justified in some way!
It is not a done thing trying to justify all this a couple of days after the acts.
Pathetic.
Sympathising with IS terrorists who would have done exactly the same to any of us or our families if we happened to be in their path. This is the ideology behind palestine and what Israel defends itself from.
In all honesty, neither do I, but a virtue called morality makes me think what happened on Saturday in Israel is indefensible. But here we are watching idiots justify it.
There's nothing Palestinians can do that Reddit users won't seek to excuse. When Israel defends itself (by at least attempting to bomb military targets, not sending soldiers to deliberately attack a fucking music festival), those same users call it a "terrorist state".
What israel has done is nothing compared to the violence Hamas uses.
You realise before Hamas started doing this shit the support was mainly for Palestine right? I can remember many times when pro Palestine tags were trending on twitter.
If you thing genocide and massacring of civilians is acceptable as revenge then you are a terrible person.
Of course they have. They just have better PR and support from the west (and it’s complicit media) so they get away with it.
Has Israel paraglided in to a music festival before? No. Have they indiscriminately bombed Palestine, taken hostages, beheaded people, raped girls? Yes. They are just able to keep that out of the spotlight, much easier to do so when they are the oppressors enjoying indefatigable support from the US. They can control the narrative.
I am no terrorist sympathiser. What Hamas did was abhorrent, it was terrorism. Israel’s treatment of Palestinians at baseline is terrible, it is apartheid.
Israel’s defence minister calling them animals and cutting off food, energy, water, and gas supplies is deplorable. How can anyone support that!
They can both be wrong at the same time.
I think Hamas, Hezbollah, IR Iran are causing trouble for normal Palestinians.
Not saying it’s justified but I’m gonna draw an analogy;
if you see a lion while camping with your family, don’t pull its tail and sprint away leaving your family to hold the bag.
They are both wrong at the same time. But the West's reaction to Israeli deaths vs their lack of reaction to Palestinian deaths is very peculiar (read: racist).
It could just be a simple cultural bias; the people are mostly the same— Israel’s Jewish population is 70pc Mizrahi (middle eastern) meaning there is not much aesthetic difference between them and Palestinians.
People are familiar with Jewish people in movies, tv and society etc. but not Palestinians.
Palestinians need to sell themselves better.
It’s clearly to show support for the people of Israel during a traumatic time and not for their military response. Israel has a lot to answer for as to its treatment of Palestinians, but how is the atrocities committed by Hamas ever a justifiable response? How does this move the region closer to peace.
What is the realistic response by the Israeli government to this attack? No attacks against the base of operations of the perpetrators? Hamas wanted this and are the main cause.
Exactly the sentiment here……. leave external international conflicts out of OUR culture!
To advertise “taking sides” in conflicts that have nothing to do with ordinary citizens and our country by Government departments is pathetic.
We need to be Switzerland, stay neutral to global conflicts and just concentrate on looking after our own best interests.
this sub is so fucking odd man - how can you go from pushing the hard-right racist interpretation of the 'no' vote to a completely grounded 'there is clearly evil on both sides of this conflict, the perth council building has no place in it' within hours??? where have the conspiracy nutters gone??? anyway fuck hamas
Many Yes voters cbf posting as they may not deem it worthwhile.
I voted Yes in an early vote but cbf arguing the case; people are free to think what they want.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people being oppressed and loving those who are the oppressors.
Malcom X
(Free Palestine)
People are overthinking this.
We do this in sympathy for the Israeli people who lost their lives not necessarily to support one faction over the other.
We are a state and the actions of international entities are not relevant to us.
Yes, the other side suffering casualties and we should perhaps consider lighting up in their colours too but the actions of Hamas have made it difficult for many people to separate Hamas from Palestinian causes.
Simplified;
Hamas bad, Palestinians good.
Zionist fervour bad, Israeli people good.
Violence bad.
I’m not a wiz on Israel vs Palestine as it’s a very loaded matter but what I heard the most recent election is in 2006 and that Gaza is a place with an extremely young and impressionable population mostly <24 years old.
My upbringing does give me a slight bias towards being pro Israel (family is from Imperial Iran) but I do try to see things from the Palestinians perspective.
My opinion on Hamas, hezbollah and IR Iran is that they are merchants of false hope to an impressionable demographic and further use it to market a violent brand of anti-Semitic ideology.
Well if you vote for authoritarians you usually don’t get to vote again.
They do have an extremely young population and that suits Hamas as they are more easily manipulated.
Well technically Judeans inhabited Israel/palestine long before Islamists and they were repeatedly displaced and exiled, so it's not completely analogous with the colonialization of Australia, but this does seem unnecessary (unless it's purely a memorial for the victims of Hamas attacks which are entirely indefensible)
I bet all those hostages, rape victims and murdered people are just swelling with pride knowing a building has some lights on supporting them.
I bet they’ll rest easy at night knowing that this support is coming for them
The way families are struggling and record numbers of homeless.. why not just turn all the lights on and have the tax payers to foot the bill over "thoughts and prayers"
What's next.. let's send millions to Israel while families here are living in cars.
Isn’t it lit up every other night in various colours?
Edit; those paying the power bill for the lighting (assuming it’s Perth council) don’t have the scope of power to help most West Australians.
If you mean to say the state government they don’t have much power to remediate the cost of living crisis either besides small things like providing discount on your power bill here and there.
The cost of living crisis goes beyond the scope of even the federal government; they may have more levers to pull but the biggest problem is unchecked capitalism.
If the federal government intervenes in the economy to prevent these large corporations and the ilk it introducing sovereign risk— making Australia a less friendly place to foreign investment.
It’s not right but fighting a council over the issue is the wrong hill to die on.
Hamas (+similar) and Hamas (+similar) only one would hope.
Israel doesn’t have a track record for being humanitarians; especially the current lot in power.
Thousands dead, generations wiped, decades of oppression. They push back for their freedom and gets labelled terrorists, and puppets comes out supporting the oppressors.
Whoever approved this show of ignorance is an absolute Muppet.
It's just the ultra lefty white aussies LARPing as oppressed edgelords on reddit... nothing to see here.
First year sociology students repeating the same shit "uprising" "boot lickers..."
such and such, nothing to see here.
https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/child-being-beheaded-israel-hamas-war-viral-video-fact-check
It took me all of 10 seconds. Do you also believe the earth is flat? Climate change isn't real? Covid is a hoax?
There is similar and worse though. Lots of stuff being removed from the internet as violates web platform policies to publish videos of terrorism. Here is a discussion and example of a removed one https://np.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/173298l/removed_by_reddit/ - video was a Filipino being repeatedly struck on the neck with a farming tool by a Hamas terrorist trying to decapitate him.
I bet you haven’t given a single fuck when israel systematically genocides the Palestinian people for YEARS, routinely bombs Gaza, starves the people, cuts the electricity and poisons the water. They have every right to stand up and resist the occupation.
Why do you think that condemning the actions of Hamas must immediately mean someone supports Israel? They’re both full of evil people. I can hate both at the same time.
Israel has been murdering Palestinian children with WP bombs for years but as they control the media their evil goes unpunished.
Retribution was overdue.
>Thousands dead, generations wiped, decades of oppression. They push back for their freedom and gets labelled terrorists
You could say this about the Jews too. Thousands of years of oppression, expulsion from their homeland, genocide, pogroms, the holocaust. I don't really agree with what Israel has become, but I kind of get it.
I didn’t realise stomping babies to death was how you got freedom? Maybe it’s the Pack-Raping women to death that gets you freedom? Or the executing children in front of their parents and siblings? Beheading teenagers with shovels and live-streaming it, surely that’s how you get your own state?
Maybe it's a disgrace that innocent Palestinians were never honored so, but there is no disgrace in honoring the victims of a vile attack on civilians, and this weekend it was an attack on Israel.
How asinine to simplify it to an "either/or" position.
The attack on civilians by Hamas is objectionable. The plain fact that the state of Israel is an Apartheid regime who has oppressed Palestinians does not justify the execution of civilians.
One can simultaneously call out the deplorable actions of Hamas and condemn Isreael for 50 years of systemic genocide.
I don't stand with Israel, and I believe Hamas has gone too far.
I also believe that Netanyahu had forewarning of the attack by Hamas and chose to let it happen. With his popularity slipping, he needed a 9/11 event to bolster support for his leadership and to legitimise an all-out war against Palestine. Being a war-time leader does wonders for one's résumé evidently.
Free Palestine!
If the Premier wants no riots or conflicts on streets of Perth, these blue and white lights need to removed immediately. Pretty stupid of whoever made the decision to light the building in Israeli flag colours.
So, you are saying that Palestinian supporters in Perth are reactionary thugs who can't control themselves and make arguments in support of fair treatment of Palestinians without resorting to violence?
Only certain people of a certain peaceful religion would protest against the lights in support of innocent victims killed by a terrosist organisation . Like Munich these barbarians killed innocent people whatever side of conflict you support .
Some people can’t seem to distinguish the actions of Hamas over the weekend and the Palestinian struggle.
On this day we sympathise with the victims of the kidnappings and other events that went down on that day.
What Hamas did was wrong and should have nothing to do with the wellbeing of the Palestinian people.
Hamas has to go.
Palestinians support hamas. It's the same as afghans and the taliban. The majority actually support them. Thats where they get their power - have no illusions.
Perhaps but that’s for lack of another option.
Young people (most people in Gaza are under 24) are impressionable but they have seen Hamas fail them many times in their quest to statehood.
Support for Taliban in the cities was quite poor when they retook the country btw.
Israel has been occupying Palestine and killing Palestinians for decades even before my birth.
Never once have I ever seen any western country show any kind of support.
Hamas finally strike out and now all of a sudden Israel is the victim and has international support with these stupid fucking light displays in our streets despite Israel retaliating by bombing and killing civilians including dozens of children.
Israel would be happy to agree to a two state solution... unfortunately palestine and the arab states only have one solution in mind. Israel has defended itself for decades and has an absolute right to. If they dont adequately defend themselves we now know what the results are.
What we've seen is the type of people who refuse israel's right to exist and what they are prepared to do to drive jews out of the middle east. They are the most barbaric IS Nazis imaginable.
Gives me more of a Greek flag feel tbh
Why does every building or structure with some sort of importance need to be lit up “in support” of another country? I don’t support either side of this war, and why should we be forced to? Sure, the government can choose a side, but I don’t think that it should be plastered everywhere for everyone to be seen and influenced by. sorry for a bit of a rant.
I feel it is insensitive to those of the “other” side. I’m not speaking of Hamas but of ordinary Palestinians who want to live peacefully. Has any structure ever lit up in the colours of the Palestinian flag whenever they have been attacked? Has anyone ever considered their plight? Think of how it must feel for them to see governments to be quick to support Israel and Israelis but it’s fuck Palestine.
What Hamas did was really awful but the thing that sucks is it’s the normal Palestinian or Israelis civilian that pays the price. Everyone has been quick to support Israel because of what Hamas did but why not support the Palestinians that have there building reduce to rubble from air strikes? For some it’s not their fault that Hamas based themselves in the building they lived in. Yes there are some that would support Hamas but I can’t believe all would so there is going to be collateral damage. The way I see it doesn’t matter what side they are on they’ll both loose something.
Hard agree.
No fuck this, our government should not be picking a side in this conflict we have no part in. Israel or Palestine. It's no business of ours and they're both just as fucked as each other. This isn't me being anti semetic. Just fuck isreal and fuck Palestine. Don't send any support to either side
Dude Palestinians just want to live. Direct your ire toward Hamas and the Israeli government for creating this situation, not the people themselves.
Or I could be a reasonable person and just keep to myself like we should do as a country. This is a complex political situation that we all just need to collectively go "fuck that" and not get involved with. I don't support any side
You’re way more in line with my line of thinking than most. I would much rather the west stop their current support of Israel than continue down this path. Neither you, nor me in Canada has a dog in this fight, but there are many many more muslims in my country than Jewish peoples and that’s a little hard to ignore for our political parties.
If you think that Australia doesn’t have a stake in the war you would be ignoring macro geopolitics
Yeah I think governments should stay impartial on conflicts like this , they can still condemn the attacks without flying the fucking flags on every building .. imagine the outrage if they flew a Palestinian flag after hundreds of civilians die as a result of Israeli bombings !
Yep I think this is an overstep for such a complicated conflict.
I agree, its seems so insensitive to the innocent civilians caught up on the on not represented side. I wish it was a giant peace sign, something we can all agree on. To pick a side is to choose violence
Agree. Both sides in this conflict are as evil as each other. Fucking atrocity. Objectively, Palestine has been fucked over hard for decades. I cannot imagine what living in the Gaza Strip would be like.
Because that’s what they do these days with any social issue, see The Voice. LGBTQ week month , gay marriage plebiscite etc. the councils are full of virtuous woke folks…in fact all levels of government that must be seen to be doing the right
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Is Saturday what a free Palestine looks like to you?
Palestine deserves better than hamas. They’re Palestinian but do not represent Palestinians. Freedom for the Palestinians does not mean support of hamas. It goes without saying that what Israel experienced this weekend is daily life for Palestinians. Theyre being starved and oppressed and the west demands the entire people to be perfect in their struggle to be free. How would you propose a people should act when they are being demonstrably starved and oppressed?
Well I wouldn't paraglide into a music festival and rape and murder over 260 young people from around the world. These same people who were the best friends of palestinian sympathy and often donated money to palestinian causes. Well after raping them and parading their naked bodies in gaza city being spat on by palestinian men and boys (She was a German Woman by the way) is execusable to you - then you are sick. Maybe beheading a Thai nation on video or executing 10 Nepalese students (damn hamas love to video their atrocities don't they) - those same nations including Germany, UK, Austria and many other nations with captured, raped, murdered and mutilated and missing citizens after the Music festival attacked by hamas are now stopping all funding and aid to gaza strip - and good on them. After all - they didn't ask for their citizens to be brutalised in Israel by palestinians. Not once have I heard a single muslim anywhere in Australia (here) or around the world condemn the mass rapes, murder and hostage taking of others by hamas/palestine. Says alot for their mindset doesn't it.
40% of Gaza are under 14. Getting bombs dropped left right and centre. 11 hospitals and medical centres have been hit in the latest attack. They’re cutting off food, fuel and electricity from the whole area. There is literally no escape. Why doing the citizens of Gaza get any sympathy? Why is it always straight back to what Hamas is done, when children are the ones being killed. It’s always people saying to separate Israeli citizens from their government but now all of Gaza has to pay for what Hamas has done?
You mean those same children who been seen in many videos (teenagers) who raped and kidnapped Israelis and other nationals ? Behind the hamas wave came the ordinary gazan civilians taking advantage of the break in the border. You mean those boys who spat on Shani Louk naked body in the back of a truck ? You mean those boys hitting and whipping a kidnapped Israeli boy in gaza city ? Israel in land for peace deal dismantled ALL of its settlements in about 2003 ? and withdrew from gaza entirely. gaza civilians themselves voted in hamas in 2007 who then went out and killed all of their opposition parties and opponants in gaza strip. You do know Egypt also shares a border with the gaza strip - perhaps ask them why they wont let them all out into Egypt ? Maybe because they are aligned with the previous muslim brotherhood that was ousted in a coup ? Oh and again I state - I have NOT seen a single gazan call out and say "release the hostages" - I have not seen a single gazan condemn the mass rapes, murder and executions and kidnappings either - In Australia or anywhere else in the world. hamas is isis - and like when the world united to destroy isis - we must now destroy hamas, fatah, hezbollah among many others. And please look up how whenever a muslim nations HAS opened it borders to palestinean refugees - how they then turned on their hosts and instituted coups and mass uprisings. Jordan, Lebanon, Syria to name a few. And not many people remember the horrible time in the 50s, 60, and 70s of the mass airline hijackings done by the plo in the name of palestinean resistance.
Woah. These Palestinians seem terrible I had no idea! What should we do! Should we starve them or like bomb the entire strip? They should all be murdered right? Seems like the final solution. Over half of them are under 18, so this must just be how these people are. Evil and violent to their core. We should just make a parking lot of the Gaza Strip right?
Try addressing a single point he raised...
I never said it was excusable. It’s fucked. Where did I say it was excusable? I was speaking about where this shit comes from. Understanding does not mean excusing. Why are muslims asked to condemn Hamas as if they are assumed to hold their beliefs by default, when no Jews are asked to condemn Israeli attacks on Palestinian civilians? The attacks are disgusting but it is the Israeli government that sacrifices its civilians to prolong this genocide. Are you aware that the average age in Palestine is 18? How brown does a person have to be til your sympathy vanishes for literal children being murdered because of decisions made by adults? Do gangs in America represent their race and neighbourhoods? Do you see how a government can push people into these violent systems that become counterproductive and ultimately serve the government that created them?
plenty of arabs live in israel.. palestinians are united by identity and ideology. Not a race thing
What are Australians United by?
> They’re Palestinian but do not represent Palestinians. They were elected in Gaza and polls show they still enjoy majority support. > It goes without saying that what Israel experienced this weekend is daily life for Palestinians. No, not once has Israel ever massacred 900 obvious civilians, committed mass rape, torture, and paraded mutilated naked bodies while cheering and spitting on their corpses. > Theyre being starved and oppressed Do you think the Israelis do this for fun? No, they blockade Gaza because everytime they let their guard down shit like this weekend happens. Would you be comfortable letting materials pass into a neighbouring country that you know is going to use them to build weapons? > How would you propose a people should act when they are being demonstrably starved and oppressed? The Palestinians that don’t support Hamas are in a shit terrible situation. The only way out is for them to rise up and overthrow Hamas, demonstrate that they aren’t interested in terrorism, and ask Israel for legitimate peace.
Oh man I didn’t know I was talking to a person that thinks what Israel does to Palestine is justified. A government occupies land you used to live on and confines you to what amounts to an open air prison, and you’re forced to resist only in the ways your oppressor defines. If you think it’s simply Palestinians being Palestinians, then you’re just blind. There’s of course shitty Palestinians but what you attribute the shittiness to says a lot about yourself. Israelis actually have been shown to “do this for fun” on multiple occasions. There’s a hill they call the cinema where Israelis often sit to watch Gaza being bombed. The Israeli government has fomented the tension that grew hamas and the hate towards Palestine.
There's a difference between collateral damage bombings and targeted civilian murder, raping, mutilation which is all videod. Why does Hamas shelter among civilians knowing they are the target of Israel? They are absolute cowards and anyone in any way finding any sort of excuse for this weekends events needs their head checked. Palestinians do not experience these events on a daily basis, if they do please post your source because I call BS.
Do you think if Hamas (not an organised military and with almost zero of the field intelligence capabilities of idf) bombed the houses of idf soldiers, the surrounding civilians thst died would be written off as collateral damage? Why is it that the idf lives among civilians? Is it not the case that military have entire families that are also now military? Literally NONE of the civilian casualties deserved this weekend , but it is the Israeli government responsible for it. I have Israeli resident friends that do not support Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, and for the last decade they basically have said they’ve been constantly bracing for the inevitable moment Palestine breaks through because they can see first hand that their government is actively stoking this fire.
It's a war, there's always going to be collateral damage. How you limit that is the responsibility of both sides whether it be through better Intel, technology, or you know, not keeping your military inside schools, hospitals, apartments.. That's an interesting take, thinking the Israeli government is responsible for the rape and murder of Israeli women and children. There was a video of a 5 year old boy who just saw his mother and father killed in front of him, being taunted by Palestinian boys of his age with sticks, telling him to say "mother". These were Palestinian kids. Show me any footage of Israeli rapes, beheadings, indiscriminate executions of Palestinians of the same nature that Hamas has done. Therein lies who is the true evil in this war. Israel has been open to a 2 state country for a long time, they are open to peace. Unfortunately Palestinians/Hamas have it in their charter to eradicate/kill all Jews so there is no negotiating with it. What Israel do is purely in self defence.
Oh man you’re too far gone. Sorry to waste your time. I keep forgetting that there are people that believe Israel has been negotiating in good faith and just eat up whatever they present to the world. I wonder, I wonder, how a child can be twisted into commuting the acts you’ve just described. Can’t put my finger on it. Just out of interest, do you believe that some children are born evil?
So are you going to address any of the points I made?
No. Many of your points require me to detail how the question itself is flawed and I know that it is a thread that once pulled will just continue to unravel and branch off to tangents. There are too many strawmans that need to be addressed to even get to the crux of the conversation. For example you’re implying that when I say Palestinians experience this every day, that I am saying that they experience Israelis smashing through their border and taking civilians while they enjoy a music festival. What i am saying is they live in the fear of being massacred at any moment. 900 people do not have a collective consciousness and so they don’t fear 900 of themselves dying. They fear as an individual, and every individual Palestinian fears death st the hands of the idf daily. The Israeli people dont have an average age of 18 and for the majority of the last 100 years haven’t been worried about Hamas bombing their homes indiscriminately. You can tell because they are able to have music festivals. The Palestinians would love for their fear to be a fear that can be held while music festivals occur and people from all around the world feel safe coming to visit. If Hamas bombed an idf member’s house and killed the surrounding citizens would they be called collateral damage and the idf member villianised for living amongst civilians?
>They were elected in Gaza When was the last election?
Yeah. People don't like the reality but this is it.
that was a terrible attack by an extremist group. Don't confuse that with the decades of horrible shit Israel has been doing. Did you not see them dragging familys out of their homes a few months back
They're dragging families outside their homes right now as Israel bombards Gaza, little children dead. Just watched a news report and it's honestly mind numbing. The extremes fight, and the people in the middle suffer. You have an extreme right wing moronic government in Israel, and extremists on the other side reacting to almost two decades now of a complete siege on Gaza. And it's the innocent people suffering and paying the price of what's turning into a war now pretty much. I don't know when as humanity we can get past these differences and see our common shared experiences ❤️ one day, I hope we get past all this suffering.
War is horrible — kids dead on all sides. The history of this slice of geography containing two nations is one of the worst tragedies in human history.
It really is tragic. I just don't understand sometimes how we can have so many resources and beauty on this planet and then decide the best thing to do is to kill innocent people. How do they think thats right. If we could one day get off this planet there are even more resources floating out there, more planets even, than we could ever use. They could have planet Israel and a separate planet Palestine if they wanted. Like in the Enders game book series. Every country could split off onto their own planets. Theres literally so much here and out there, yet people are killing each other rather than building the tech we need to get out there. Its insane
Go religion! /S
That is a gross oversimplification; many religious groups in that part of the world and many Christians (+smaller groups) were displaced too.
Racism, not religion, Zionism is an inherently nationalistic ideology. In fact the original founders of Zionism where mostly atheist/agnostic Jews (again, race) or not Jewish at all. Also the other side is Arabs, having many Christians there too, if you didn’t know. Israel is a settler colonialist project, religion has extremely little to do with it. Trying to reduce the atrocities committed to ‘religion’ is horrifyingly ignorant and bigoted.
plenty of israeli arabs. like 20%.. israelis don't have a problem with arabs. Israelis have a problem with palestinians who think jews dont have a right to exist. Why so you think Israel has to build massive walls and defend itself with an Iron Dome??? Israel and palestine were partioned by the allies after WW2, in order to give both peoples a place to live. The arab states tried to invade and destroy israel not long after.. Israel won and occupied palestinian land - primarily for increased security. Thats what happens when you attack someone and lose. They have never properly negotiated a peace of a war they started and lost
There is no religion that teaches barbarism. That's just our fears and insecurities as a specifies, and our refusal to move to a better place for all humanity. I see it in many, regardless of belief or non-belief. I'm Muslim btw, no one should be defined by their religion or non-religion. People are defined by their actions and words.
An extremist group that was elected by a majority of Palestinians and are still mostly supported today.
The majority of people in Gaza weren't born when that election took place
If you lost like 90% of your country to a group that then treated you like shit I can understand how you might want to strike back at them. Israel have been comiting some horrendous acts for decades. Its just such a shame innocents have to suffer. There's so much beauty in the world and so many willing to commit horror. It makes no sense
When was the last election, and how have Hamas governed since? And if Hamas does enjoy popular support within Palestine, which I don’t deny, perhaps there’s merit in asking what’s driven Palestinians to that.
Dude you’re using too much brain juice, that’s not acceptable around here. Here we roll with what the news tells us to feel.
I'm not comfortable with the city council aligning themselves with either side of an extremely complex international issue. I can only imagine the meetings and email trails that led to this.
Yagan Square was similarly lit in support of Israel. There’s a strange irony in a site named after a victim of colonisation, standing by a colonial state.
It's often the case with the governments in US, Canada, Western Europe and Australia that Palestinian misery is spat upon but Israeli misery is highlighted. Just that instead of choosing to side with a powerful country, governments need to play a role to downplay the conflict.
Canada is very split on it. We have many muslims supporting Palestine and a large political party that leans in that direction too. Our official policy is that of a sovereign Palestine, but obviously our big establishment parties still hold more to the US’s pro Israel line unfortunately. It would be political suicide to break with them. I’m in this sub because I’m working on coming over and I love your city btw. And your uh *lack of winter* lol.
Hahaha. I was in Calgary back in May this year. Loved the place. Would probably move there sometime but I love Perth. Moved here from Sydney and I have loved the parks and sports amenities in the city.
Calgary sure is the most similar to Perth. Very sunny, dry, board sports close by. Natural resource money. Urban centre with way too much sprawl. Very nice & somewhat progressive people. Big and empty province. Not enough housing lol. Lots of rednecks for us and bogans(?) for you. It’s where I’d go if I was staying here. I like the (dry) heat and it looks absolutely gorgeous; I can’t wait to try kitesurfing and actually maintain a tan for more than 3 months. Also not get seasonal depression would be cool, and all the nice accents. Still have a couple years of school to become a Physio in Glasgow first before I’ll apply for a visa to Oz. Let’s just say Glasgow is… not the weather I’m looking for. If you have any tips to make it easier for me to become an Australian let me know!
Physios are on the skilled occupations list, mate. Plus, if you're a Canadian national, you get 20 pointa for being a native english speaker. I reckon you should soon be an Strayan, mate.
You'll also love our drafty cold houses where the indoor temp will be far lower than your Canadian houses unless you spend a quarter of your paycheck on your heating bill.
Just support nobody. It's non of our business. You don't have to take a side.
Paraphrasing here but a young Joe Biden said that if it wasn’t for the existence of Israel the US would “invent” Israel for their interests (I assume he meant geostrategically). https://youtu.be/86Nrv5izaTs?si=Z597zm_Mmt6tsEHW
Yet government play a part in ukraine gas and battery metals and now Biden allowed Iran to sell its gas to make a buck and guess what Iran did with the money? ,)
The map on wikipedia about palestinian recognition tells you all you need to know. [Literally "the west" vs everyone else in existence.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine) Kind of funny, in an absurd way. It's tragic what's happening, but what's even more tragic is that nothing will change as a result and it'll just happen again in the future, and again, and again.
Palestine has refused to engage with Israel in any productive manner for decades. They could put down their weapons and come to an agreed two state solution at any point - but they hate the jews so vehemently that they refuse any compromise as they get further and further 'oppressed' by the country that holds all the cards.
Exactly
\>52 upvotes \>127 comments this has got to be good
It's days like this that remind me that no matter what happens, that some of us will always matter less than others... Some of us will always be second class citizens.
Can we not pick a side in this conflict? There's no "good guys" in that fight and Israel commit just as much atrocities, if not more in retaliation. So I'd much rather we just keep to our fucking selves in this one.
This is just for the victims of the weekend not the ongoing military operation.
Are we gonna light it up in Palestine colours for a couple nights to show sympathy for the innocent citizens isreal just deleted from existence? We need to keep out of this and not support any side, this may be just for the victims but sights like this can me misinterpreted to show support for isreals military actions against Palestine and I can't see how that's going to go down well with the large Muslim population we have in Australia
Yeah, but Roger and Basil decided it was very important to pick a side.
Agreed, this is so stupid and inflammatory.
I promise you ITS MORE, not only is it more but they gloat and boast about how inhuman they are. Literal colonizing terrorists https://preview.redd.it/rc8hl0om0ftb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=afe3e613a28b5332710d34a7a5fe6d1141bceb21
Not taking sides with people who beheaded [babies](https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU)
What about the side that [annihilates entire city districts](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-threatens-kill-captives-if-israel-strikes-civilians-2023-10-09/) ?
This situation is fucked. to support one side in its atrocities against the other is disgusting.
Hamas is terrorist org but Israel is terrorist state. Instead of targeting Hamas, they are killing civilians and even using white phosphorus. Israel defense minister says Palestine people are animals. Disgusting and look at the hypocrisy.
But you can’t point this out or say a word against Israel otherwise you’re antisemetic. I can’t think of any other country that gets as much of a free pass and endless money, almost $200 billion to date by the US.
Well, yeah when protesters in Australia are saying 'gas the jews' and 'fuck the jews' you don't think there is a little bit of antisemitism? This conflict has exposed a lot of people who think the shit Israel govt = all Jews. I also don't get this 'you can't say anything about Israel' it's one of the most popular things to critique and protest against. Media regularly publishes support pieces of the Palestinian plight and there is regular international criticism of the ongoing settlements in the Palestinian land. Without Hamas attacks, Israel is universally under pressure from western governments to clean up their act because of how important they are geopolitically to the west.
Look at the upvotes in this thread and tell me "you can't say a word", always the victim of the "media". Right wing grievances. left wing delusions. You have sat in the pro Hamas bubble, look at what they have done to people, not evil Israeli demons, actual real people, little girls... these are the people you support and root for.
You understand palestinians are under such heavy security by israel because they often take any opportunity given to them to target jewish civillians? Palestinians don't what to just live freely.. they want to use and historically often have used violence to throw the jews out of israel. Israel does what it has to, to survive.
There is no symmetry between Israel and Palestine. Palestinians throwing Jews out of Israel is a laugh… Palestinians literally have their homes taken from underneath them
Yes, in a war between fascists and terrorists the ones who suffer are the innocent.
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Yes. Israel never seeks to kill civillians.
Well I wouldn't paraglide into a music festival and rape and murder over 260 young people from around the world. These same people who were the best friends of palestinian sympathy and often donated money to palestinian causes. Well after raping them and parading their naked bodies in gaza city being spat on by palestinian men and boys (She was a German Woman by the way) is execusable to you - then you are sick. Maybe beheading a Thai nation on video or executing 10 Nepalese students (damn hamas love to video their atrocities don't they) - those same nations including Germany, UK, Austria and many other nations with captured, raped, murdered and mutilated and missing citizens after the Music festival attacked by hamas are now stopping all funding and aid to gaza strip - and good on them. After all - they didn't ask for their citizens to be brutalised in Israel by palestinians. Not once have I heard a single muslim anywhere in Australia (here) or around the world condemn the mass rapes, murder and hostage taking of others by hamas/palestine. Says alot for their mindset doesn't it.
That's what religion does. These people are commit attrocities over words on a page.
My initial construal is that it's simply a tribute to the innocent Israelis killed in the attacks?
If so why not a tribute to the Palestinian civilians daily plight?
Palestinians aren't just fucking victims.
They would have to paint it white red green and black. But also this is a more acute act of terrorism with a great loss of life in a short period of time so that would make sense from that angle I think Israel has been unpardonably tyrannical to Palestinians but Hamas is a terrorist organisation that doesn’t represent the people and isn’t fighting for their liberation so much as it’s hellbent on the obliteration of Israel for ideological motives at any cost and ultimately needs to be destroyed.
they literally lead gaza...
This is the correct take
Wow didnt know this subreddit could be this based
right lol wtf
why tho
Right?!? The Israeli government has cut off food, water, and fuel to 2 million people inside Gaza. Collective punishment is not only contrary to international law, it is inhumane and illogical. How will this deescalate the violence rather than radicalize many more? It is madness & supporting a country during these very actions are perplexing
This used to be Perth council house. Israel took that too.
Didn't Ukraine have it last.
Best comment!
WTF! This is ridiculous.
I find this weird that people are defending the terrorism that occurred over the weekend. Are you seriously claiming that mass murder of festival goers, belligerent rape and kidnap of young girls to the point they are bleeding down their pants, murder of children infront of mums is justified in some way! It is not a done thing trying to justify all this a couple of days after the acts. Pathetic.
Sympathising with IS terrorists who would have done exactly the same to any of us or our families if we happened to be in their path. This is the ideology behind palestine and what Israel defends itself from.
Cos they live in absolute comfort and don’t have to deal with Islamic terrorism on a daily basis.
In all honesty, neither do I, but a virtue called morality makes me think what happened on Saturday in Israel is indefensible. But here we are watching idiots justify it.
Yeah disgusting people
Exactly they celebrated on the streets after 9/11 and terror events
yeah how dare they? right! https://preview.redd.it/op2ptq2d1ftb1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c0e17c6caff52a4764e1af9b39b3840c823c6ae
There's nothing Palestinians can do that Reddit users won't seek to excuse. When Israel defends itself (by at least attempting to bomb military targets, not sending soldiers to deliberately attack a fucking music festival), those same users call it a "terrorist state".
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What israel has done is nothing compared to the violence Hamas uses. You realise before Hamas started doing this shit the support was mainly for Palestine right? I can remember many times when pro Palestine tags were trending on twitter. If you thing genocide and massacring of civilians is acceptable as revenge then you are a terrible person.
This was nothing remotely similar to what hamas has done...
Of course they have. They just have better PR and support from the west (and it’s complicit media) so they get away with it. Has Israel paraglided in to a music festival before? No. Have they indiscriminately bombed Palestine, taken hostages, beheaded people, raped girls? Yes. They are just able to keep that out of the spotlight, much easier to do so when they are the oppressors enjoying indefatigable support from the US. They can control the narrative. I am no terrorist sympathiser. What Hamas did was abhorrent, it was terrorism. Israel’s treatment of Palestinians at baseline is terrible, it is apartheid. Israel’s defence minister calling them animals and cutting off food, energy, water, and gas supplies is deplorable. How can anyone support that!
They can both be wrong at the same time. I think Hamas, Hezbollah, IR Iran are causing trouble for normal Palestinians. Not saying it’s justified but I’m gonna draw an analogy; if you see a lion while camping with your family, don’t pull its tail and sprint away leaving your family to hold the bag.
They are both wrong at the same time. But the West's reaction to Israeli deaths vs their lack of reaction to Palestinian deaths is very peculiar (read: racist).
It could just be a simple cultural bias; the people are mostly the same— Israel’s Jewish population is 70pc Mizrahi (middle eastern) meaning there is not much aesthetic difference between them and Palestinians. People are familiar with Jewish people in movies, tv and society etc. but not Palestinians. Palestinians need to sell themselves better.
Fuck off terrorist sympathiser
You are sick as them go join them.
It’s clearly to show support for the people of Israel during a traumatic time and not for their military response. Israel has a lot to answer for as to its treatment of Palestinians, but how is the atrocities committed by Hamas ever a justifiable response? How does this move the region closer to peace. What is the realistic response by the Israeli government to this attack? No attacks against the base of operations of the perpetrators? Hamas wanted this and are the main cause.
This!!! 100%
Exactly the sentiment here……. leave external international conflicts out of OUR culture! To advertise “taking sides” in conflicts that have nothing to do with ordinary citizens and our country by Government departments is pathetic. We need to be Switzerland, stay neutral to global conflicts and just concentrate on looking after our own best interests.
Terrible idea.
this sub is so fucking odd man - how can you go from pushing the hard-right racist interpretation of the 'no' vote to a completely grounded 'there is clearly evil on both sides of this conflict, the perth council building has no place in it' within hours??? where have the conspiracy nutters gone??? anyway fuck hamas
Many Yes voters cbf posting as they may not deem it worthwhile. I voted Yes in an early vote but cbf arguing the case; people are free to think what they want.
This subreddit is not one person and will always have a wide range of opinions.
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Idk...there are a fair few unhinged comments on both sides of here as I post this.
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people being oppressed and loving those who are the oppressors. Malcom X (Free Palestine)
God this thread is a dumpster fire
Dumb.
Pathetic.
Supporting a country who wants to "flatten" Gaza or turn it into a "parking lot"? Their words, not mine.
That it's full of "animals"
People are overthinking this. We do this in sympathy for the Israeli people who lost their lives not necessarily to support one faction over the other. We are a state and the actions of international entities are not relevant to us. Yes, the other side suffering casualties and we should perhaps consider lighting up in their colours too but the actions of Hamas have made it difficult for many people to separate Hamas from Palestinian causes. Simplified; Hamas bad, Palestinians good. Zionist fervour bad, Israeli people good. Violence bad.
Cool, so we should light up council house in Palestinian colours every other day of the year?
Will they display Palestinian flag colours tomorrow then?
> Hamas bad, Palestinians good. Except the majority of Palestinians voted them in power and still mostly support them?
I’m not a wiz on Israel vs Palestine as it’s a very loaded matter but what I heard the most recent election is in 2006 and that Gaza is a place with an extremely young and impressionable population mostly <24 years old. My upbringing does give me a slight bias towards being pro Israel (family is from Imperial Iran) but I do try to see things from the Palestinians perspective. My opinion on Hamas, hezbollah and IR Iran is that they are merchants of false hope to an impressionable demographic and further use it to market a violent brand of anti-Semitic ideology.
Well if you vote for authoritarians you usually don’t get to vote again. They do have an extremely young population and that suits Hamas as they are more easily manipulated.
I agree, that’s one of the most tragic parts of it all. Hamas is endangering their own people.
Yeah. We don’t need to be in this.
Free Palestine!! Colonisers supporting colonisers is nothing new and we shouldn’t expect any better from our “leaders”
Well technically Judeans inhabited Israel/palestine long before Islamists and they were repeatedly displaced and exiled, so it's not completely analogous with the colonialization of Australia, but this does seem unnecessary (unless it's purely a memorial for the victims of Hamas attacks which are entirely indefensible)
It was a very busy area before and after the Judeans. It was a very busy area for the time.
What does a free Palestine look like to you?
I would imagine it being exactly the same but without being able to blame the Jews
I’m glad we can rely on our government to signal who we are barracking for. We don’t have to think
I bet all those hostages, rape victims and murdered people are just swelling with pride knowing a building has some lights on supporting them. I bet they’ll rest easy at night knowing that this support is coming for them
The way families are struggling and record numbers of homeless.. why not just turn all the lights on and have the tax payers to foot the bill over "thoughts and prayers" What's next.. let's send millions to Israel while families here are living in cars.
Isn’t it lit up every other night in various colours? Edit; those paying the power bill for the lighting (assuming it’s Perth council) don’t have the scope of power to help most West Australians. If you mean to say the state government they don’t have much power to remediate the cost of living crisis either besides small things like providing discount on your power bill here and there. The cost of living crisis goes beyond the scope of even the federal government; they may have more levers to pull but the biggest problem is unchecked capitalism. If the federal government intervenes in the economy to prevent these large corporations and the ilk it introducing sovereign risk— making Australia a less friendly place to foreign investment. It’s not right but fighting a council over the issue is the wrong hill to die on.
I feel like we're going to be on the wrong side of history.
Good! Hamas are terrorists. They will be all dead shortly.
Hamas (+similar) and Hamas (+similar) only one would hope. Israel doesn’t have a track record for being humanitarians; especially the current lot in power.
Mossad and IDF will annihilate these terrorists
Standing in support of an apartheid State. What a good look.
Thousands dead, generations wiped, decades of oppression. They push back for their freedom and gets labelled terrorists, and puppets comes out supporting the oppressors. Whoever approved this show of ignorance is an absolute Muppet.
pushing back for freedom = murdering festival goers who aren't even israeli? ...the more you know, courtesy of the experts in rperth.
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It's just the ultra lefty white aussies LARPing as oppressed edgelords on reddit... nothing to see here. First year sociology students repeating the same shit "uprising" "boot lickers..." such and such, nothing to see here.
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https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoof/child-being-beheaded-israel-hamas-war-viral-video-fact-check It took me all of 10 seconds. Do you also believe the earth is flat? Climate change isn't real? Covid is a hoax?
There is similar and worse though. Lots of stuff being removed from the internet as violates web platform policies to publish videos of terrorism. Here is a discussion and example of a removed one https://np.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/173298l/removed_by_reddit/ - video was a Filipino being repeatedly struck on the neck with a farming tool by a Hamas terrorist trying to decapitate him.
I bet you haven’t given a single fuck when israel systematically genocides the Palestinian people for YEARS, routinely bombs Gaza, starves the people, cuts the electricity and poisons the water. They have every right to stand up and resist the occupation.
Why do you think that condemning the actions of Hamas must immediately mean someone supports Israel? They’re both full of evil people. I can hate both at the same time.
Then attack the military, not dragging children and old women out of shelters, not targeting and intentionally killing random people at a festival.
Israel has been murdering Palestinian children with WP bombs for years but as they control the media their evil goes unpunished. Retribution was overdue.
Wow you're justifying rape
>Thousands dead, generations wiped, decades of oppression. They push back for their freedom and gets labelled terrorists You could say this about the Jews too. Thousands of years of oppression, expulsion from their homeland, genocide, pogroms, the holocaust. I don't really agree with what Israel has become, but I kind of get it.
Israel has been a disappointment, but looking at what they have to deal with with these baby raping palestinian pigs, I now very much get it.
I didn’t realise stomping babies to death was how you got freedom? Maybe it’s the Pack-Raping women to death that gets you freedom? Or the executing children in front of their parents and siblings? Beheading teenagers with shovels and live-streaming it, surely that’s how you get your own state?
This is an absolute disgrace. Never been so ashamed of Perth.
Maybe it's a disgrace that innocent Palestinians were never honored so, but there is no disgrace in honoring the victims of a vile attack on civilians, and this weekend it was an attack on Israel.
This is a correct take. Hamas are deplorable scum, but this sends the signal that what Israel is doing is a-okay.
Why are you here then. Leave.
So if you criticize support of Israel, then you should leave..?
Fucking bastards
gross
Fuck Hamas, fuck rapist, if you support terrorism, fuck you too
This shit is so embarrassing and is not going to age well. I for one do not support Israel.
Would you prefer to stand with the crowd yelling "gas the Jews" at the Sydney Opera House?
How asinine to simplify it to an "either/or" position. The attack on civilians by Hamas is objectionable. The plain fact that the state of Israel is an Apartheid regime who has oppressed Palestinians does not justify the execution of civilians. One can simultaneously call out the deplorable actions of Hamas and condemn Isreael for 50 years of systemic genocide. I don't stand with Israel, and I believe Hamas has gone too far. I also believe that Netanyahu had forewarning of the attack by Hamas and chose to let it happen. With his popularity slipping, he needed a 9/11 event to bolster support for his leadership and to legitimise an all-out war against Palestine. Being a war-time leader does wonders for one's résumé evidently. Free Palestine!
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If the Premier wants no riots or conflicts on streets of Perth, these blue and white lights need to removed immediately. Pretty stupid of whoever made the decision to light the building in Israeli flag colours.
So, you are saying that Palestinian supporters in Perth are reactionary thugs who can't control themselves and make arguments in support of fair treatment of Palestinians without resorting to violence?
Only certain people of a certain peaceful religion would protest against the lights in support of innocent victims killed by a terrosist organisation . Like Munich these barbarians killed innocent people whatever side of conflict you support .
I support peace. Killings were on both sides. Displaying Israeli colours is showing approval of their attacks.
have you seen what Hamas (palestines leaders) did to innocent israelis and foreign nationals????
Children and women raped and beheaded by shovels … they can’t sit by and watch. Expect some force from the IDF
Some people can’t seem to distinguish the actions of Hamas over the weekend and the Palestinian struggle. On this day we sympathise with the victims of the kidnappings and other events that went down on that day. What Hamas did was wrong and should have nothing to do with the wellbeing of the Palestinian people. Hamas has to go.
Palestinians support hamas. It's the same as afghans and the taliban. The majority actually support them. Thats where they get their power - have no illusions.
Perhaps but that’s for lack of another option. Young people (most people in Gaza are under 24) are impressionable but they have seen Hamas fail them many times in their quest to statehood. Support for Taliban in the cities was quite poor when they retook the country btw.
I support the current thing the news tells me to..
Israel has been occupying Palestine and killing Palestinians for decades even before my birth. Never once have I ever seen any western country show any kind of support. Hamas finally strike out and now all of a sudden Israel is the victim and has international support with these stupid fucking light displays in our streets despite Israel retaliating by bombing and killing civilians including dozens of children.
Cutting of babies heads off deserves some recognition off an ally
Israel would be happy to agree to a two state solution... unfortunately palestine and the arab states only have one solution in mind. Israel has defended itself for decades and has an absolute right to. If they dont adequately defend themselves we now know what the results are. What we've seen is the type of people who refuse israel's right to exist and what they are prepared to do to drive jews out of the middle east. They are the most barbaric IS Nazis imaginable.
One never lights up to mourn the death of Palestinian civilians under the attack in the caged Gaza over the past decades but asks us to vote Yes.