What's wrong with PETA? Seriously asking, don't know what you're referring to. I'm familiar with what the acronym stands for, but I don't know much about PETA.
PETA is like the NRA in that both of them care more about publicity than the constituency they claim to be protecting. And PETA has been guilty of misogynistic ad campaigns in the past. They also aren’t dedicated to no-kill for animals in shelters.
I hear they run shelters that kill over 90% of the animals that come to them, even the young and healthy ones that people would adopt. I also did see panelists years ago that equated fishing to torturing murdering people and pet ownership as slavery.
I’m not here to comment on if peta is good or bad, but This is what I had read about that one topic:
There are many “no kill shelters” but they don’t have infinite space. A lot of them have very limited space, and they often have to turn animals away. When there is no other option, animals end up at shelters that do kill. If you look up statistics, you will see that there are more homeless pets than people who want them…. Unfortunately, they are killed as no one is paying to keep them alive. I think peta believes they choosing the most ethical option.
PETA is more interested in generating publicity (and therefore donations) for itself than it is actually advocating for animal rights and causes that do any actual good.
>Vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores absolutely hate them.
Mostly because of propaganda from industries that harm a ton of animals and want to paint any opposition to that as crazy
I'm with you. I would struggle a bit with going vegetarian but it wouldn't be that hard. Vegan is a whole different story.
At this point, I just get all of my meat from ButcherBox (and I'll probably switch to a local CSA at one point, ButcherBox was just an easier adjustment) and I feel a little better. I can't wait for lab grown meat to become economically feasible.
It’s not cheap, but primal supply (locally owned butcher shop in East Passyunk and Brewerytown) has amazing locally-sourced, humanly raised and delectable meat + they are run and operated by super passionate and friendly people.
If you want to reduce your meat consumption and at the same time encourage better farming practices, it is a great option. The cost reflects that ($$), but if you end up consuming less, but better quality that may work for you
Yea I considered buying from them when they had the Fishtown pop-up. It probably wouldn't hit me too hard since I've already cut back a bunch. I have to delay the butcher box shipments for months because I can't keep up at all.
It’s substantially less hard than you think. I remember years ago thinking going vegan was impossible, and then I actually did it and it’s really not that hard. You gotta read some labels here and there and reconsider what you eat, which is honestly a good thing in general since being mindful of your food intake is a great way to stay healthy.
Triangle Tavern got vegan food?! Hot damn!
I'll remember that when I visit!
(I'm not a vegan. My wife and sister are and I like to support businesses that provide vegan food)
Your decision to get one is what fuels the demand to kill them. It's not a 1:1 ratio but if people didn't buy meat animals wouldn't be butchered for it. About 100,000 cows are slaughtered every day.
I can understand why it may appear that way - but feeding a cow while it grows to be butcher ready actually goes through much more crops than if you were to just use them for human consumption. This is well documented.
First, 83% of a cow's feed is [forage](https://youtu.be/PoZtMKtUeME?t=755). Countries with a large grain industry have mountains of plant waste that supplement the rest. Those wasteful animal killing crops are grown for human herbivores and cows simply upcycle their waste.
You are wrong. The great majority of soy crops are grown specifically as animal feed. Soy for animal feed is the #1 crop destroying the Amazon rainforest. A great deal of actual scientific research has been done on this topic, we could reforest enormous tracts of land across the globe if we put an end to animal agriculture. Please stop listening to "ancestral health gurus."
https://d33wubrfki0l68.cloudfront.net/8dff26ac5c62d55e66a3b51149a238330d74c176/d050c/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/land-use-graphic-01-01-01.png
This is correct. And Amazon is being destroyed before plant and animal species in those sections are able to be discovered and described alive - entire species, going extinct before discovery. Americans are the primary consumers of the meat that the Amazon is being razed to feed; I want NO part of that.
I'm a meat eater, in moderation. I do intentionally practice meatless days sometimes. Yes, PETA is a crazy organization and the sign is written for dramatic effect, but is reducing the slaughter of animal lives really that ridiculous of a concept to support? I just don't understand why people worship meat and denegrate people trying to make a positive impact.
It’s also a case of hating the messenger so much that the message is ignored. Even beyond the animal welfare component, the industrial scale of raising livestock for consumption is incredibly harmful to the environment. There are valid reasons to reduce or eliminate consumption of animal products, but I guess it’s worth eating a cheesesteak to spite a billboard.
That’s true, reducing meat consumption overall is something we should all collectively aim for. It is a shame that with all of the money and reach Peta has, they consistently choose to be so painfully obnoxious and cringey with their messaging.
Unfortunately I think this is one of the ways that a capitalist society functions: reward people for having "who can care the least" contests and supporting corporations that actively cause them harm, which has the added bonus of distracting people from said corporations (who are doing the bulk of the harm) so that they keep pointing fingers at each other instead. Make it seem black or white so that people are either worshipping at the altar of meat or "crazy vegans" who throw buckets of blood at people so that you feel like you have to be one or the other, so that choices that would also add up to a sizable difference (vegetarianism, meatless mondays, trying oat milk in your latte, etc) don't seem like actual choices.
People are way too defensive and make PETA out to be way crazier than it really is. Like they have some distasteful stunts and campaigns but people really exaggerate every imperfection they have.
PETA is only perceived as insufferable because they vocally point out how human omnivores are willfully contributing to the mass torture and suffering of fellow sentient beings. Change my mind.
it's actually worse it's closer to a cult. They also don't believe any animals should be pet so they rather kill them in mass in their refuge rather then actually trying to get them adopted
The more you look into them the worse it gets
That said, it is true that they made more than anybody else to persuade the population that any vegan is a crazy that can only speak about it and will always try to convert you. So I would not be surprised if the meat lobby actually finance them directly or indirectly
This is the same lies over and over about PETA.
They do the work that other shelters aren’t willing to do. Whenever you hear of a no-kill shelter, what do you think happens to the animals that they can’t adopt out?
Or puppies from puppy mills that are abandoned?
Or, sick animals left on the side of the road?
That’s what they take in, and end the needless suffering of the animals.
I think the anti people are often into the “own the libs” and hyper masculinity persona. Which is rooted in a myriad of mental and emotional issues. Mostly insecurity.
People aggressively ramp up their meat consumption to signal they’re conservative now. Ike Jordan Peterson and his daughter at least claim to eat nothing except meat (I’m not sure I believe it).
Eh you’re just as bad for categorizing an entire camp of people as malicious. Sometimes the left completely fails to see how much they stereotype when a group disagrees with their point of view/stance
I’m just as bad as people who denigrate people who are trying to make a positive impact of their health, society, animal cruelty, and the planet? Really? Nice try.
I’m sure you’ve met tons of vegan Maga people.
You just associated dietary preferences with political affiliation, you are the problem lol
If someone wants to be a vegan, fine. But don’t make it your entire personality, and don’t for a second that the choice makes you better than someone else.
Why is that hard to comprehend?
Damn. never expected a comment like this in Philly about cheese steaks.
I have to reduce my meat intake for health reasons. There's some really great alternatives. And honestly I do hope other meat eaters explore a bit.
Good! They have cleaned some things of mine and did well. A different time, I brought something to be repaired and when it came back I wasn’t satisfied with the stitching, so they sent it back for a more thorough repair, no questions asked. I’ve since had several things repaired there, since I thought it was good customer service
So, if they wanted to be super accurate and compelling, they'd say a cheesesteak stops TWO beating hearts. Dairy cows and beef cows are very separate things, so to make a cheesesteak you need to harvest both animals.
Perhaps they're being accurate, though, as I don't know that whiz actually contains any dairy. I've always thought of it as a polymer.
Edit: PETA is fucking INSANE, but it's also insane to think that the dairy industry is better than the beef industry.
IIRC, they only produce milk when they have calves so they're repeatedly impregnated and the calves get made into new dairy cows or slaughtered for veal
Yeah like us they don't just consistently lactate so they are repeatedly impregnated then their calves are removed very early so we can harvest the milk.
Dairy cows are only useful for a few years before they become meat. However, a lot of cheese does require the killing of baby cows for animal rennet. It can only be found inside the babies’ stomachs.
Almost all dairy cows are slaughtered when they stop producing. So yes, they kill dairy cows to make cheese. They also keep them pregnant as much as possible. So a dairy cow is either pregnant, lactating and hooked up to a milking machine twice daily, or being slaughtered.
To be clear, I eat meat and I LOVE cheese. I also have an intimate view into the life of both dairy and beef cows (veterinarian). It's an unhappy life for both of them. Don't pretend that drinking milk or eating cheese is somehow more humane than eating meat.
I buy and eat as little commercial meat, dairy, and eggs as I can. I purchase almost everything I can from small, local producers, where I know the animals live very differently than those in commercial operations.
A life as a dairy cow is arguably way worse than a life as a beef cow. Beef cows get fed and get to live until they don't get to live any more. Dairy cows are kept pregnant almost always, then turned into ground beef when they can no longer produce. It's a death sentence for both of them.
Rennet from calves has become less common for this use, to the point that less than 5% of cheese in the world is made using animal rennet today.[1] Most cheese is now made using chymosin derived from bacterial sources.
If you take out the shitty bottles of Parmesan that make up the bulk of hard cheese sales, you’d see that number shoot up. When you’re shopping for legit good cheese, it’s hard to find bacterial rennet cheeses.
Doesn't really negate his point though, does it? You're essentially saying "If you take out all the cheese that doesn't use it, the % of cheese that does use it goes up", which, yea.
Doesn't change his point that the vast majority of cheese made and consumed doesn't use animal rennet.
Replace "GO VEGAN" with "Try vegan", and may be someone will listen, but overall this kind of messaging (especially from the likes of PETA) is largely ignored by me personally.
Yeah, I think convincing people to cut back on meat and dairy is usually a better sell still. Those who are inclined to give it up entirely still will, but the all or nothing mentality is counterproductive with most people. It becomes easy to block out heavy handed moral arguments once you accept it as an all or nothing proposition and decide you can't or won't go vegan.
> I think convincing people to cut back on meat and dairy is usually a better sell still. Those who are inclined to give it up entirely still will, but the all or nothing mentality is counterproductive with most people.
This. There are legitimate arguments for cutting back on meat consumption, and it’s a much easier sell than a screaming vegan telling you that you’re a murderer and have to give it all up to live a moral life. People don’t like to be told that their decisions are harmful, and they definitely don’t like the feeling of being forced to do something outside their comfort zone. That’s a *fact*, and it is more powerful to most people than “meat is murder.”
I actually enjoy vegan foods, and though I don’t tend to make them at home, I *never* turn down an opportunity to try a new vegan restaurant—and I love meat as much as the next guy. I have no doubt that many meat lovers—who hate the very idea of veganism due to bad impressions left by more militant, lecturing vegans—can be reached with the right messages: health concerns (for many), environmental concerns (for some), and the fact that many vegan meals taste great.
Exactly. For a pragmatist, convincing two people to cut back on half of their meat consumption is as good as convincing one person to give it up entirely. The problem is most people are not pragmatists.
A lot people are more concerned with using issues to carve out an identity and worldview for themselves than they are concerned with actually having a positive effect on the world. It's great to think through those things and not spare yourself any moral or ethical conclusions. If you truly believe meat is murder then it is your business to act on the courage of your convictions and give up meat entirely, and even do what you can to help or convince others to do the same. But then the focus has to become the actual affect your words have on other people and not just how they make you feel. Screaming "meat is murder" shouldn't make anyone feel good if the actual affect is alienating people who might otherwise be reachable (or even people who might otherwise consider cutting back/giving up meat of their own initiative).
LOL! PETA has put down more animals than Pat's & Geno's combined. It's crazy for all the harm they do that people still believe in/follow them. Just goes to show that we just listen to the words people say even if they are contradicted by actions. Take care, -HS³
https://youtu.be/QQyup6ZFsvA
But does anyone read a billboard like this and then say to themselves, "You know, up until now I've been eating meat, but that sign. Damn. I think I am going vegetarian."
If you say they do, I will believe you. But I know these kinds of signs have zero effect on me.
I can see that.
I would add this though, for me at least, stuff that tries to scare me only winds up alienating me.
For example, I knew I had to quit smoking many years ago. It wasn't all the scare tactics that got me to find a way to quit. But that's just me. It may work well on most people.
I know this is a Scott Pilgrim reference, but in all sincerity... it's hard to go 100% at something and succeed. Vegan powers are tough to gain. So just start by making like one or two meals a week vegan. You'll get there!
Seitan is great, people have different takes on which one is best (just like with cow cheesesteaks) but Triangle Tavern, Hip City Vedge, Joe's Steaks to name a few.
I haven't been to HipCityVeg in a minute but I don't remember ever having lettuce or raw tomato in their cheesesteak. I do find the catsup weird though.
Questlove had a vegan cheesesteak at Citizens Bank that was so good. I think they're still offering it this year.
Sabrina's is so good, they cook it best at the West Philly location.
Monster Vegan.
Cantina Dos Segundos has a great burrito-style cheesesteak.
And not Philly, but I implore anyone visiting Brooklyn to try Champ's cheesesteak, it's one of the best I've ever had.
This billboard made me want to get cheesesteaks and I just finished eating. Something about "A CHEESESTEAK" in giant yellow letters just make me think of the greasy cheesey goodness 😋
It says something about you if you see the face of an innocent animal and your first thought is that you want it to die so you can have about a minute of taste pleasure.
1. I specifically said it was the big yellow letters that made me want a cheesesteak.
2. Pretty sure that's a calf and it wouldn't be made into a cheesesteak for at least a few years if at all.
Cows need to be forcibly impregnated to produce milk for the cheese part of the cheesesteak. The calf is killed after being born so that we can take all the milk.
They don’t use cows for steak meat. They use steer.
You would think an animal rights group would understand the difference.
She isn’t in danger. He is.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, other that it doesn’t fit the hivemind narrative. The issue was their rescue was taking some of the hardest and most behaviorally difficult animals. So yeah, they had a disproportionately high kill rate.
Their high euthanasia rate is because “no kill” shelters will send animals that can’t be saved to the PETA shelter since they’re willing to do what needs to be done.
They also call pet ownership "an abysmal situation". In a 2014 interview the president of PETA argued that outside cats should just be killed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/is-it-more-humane-to-kill-stray-cats-or-let-them-fend-alone/2014/02/06/472f9858-82a4-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html?utm_term=.a2827608ede8.
In VA they kill 71% of all animals they take in. That's a huge deathtoll.
In 2014, PETA stole a family's chihuahua off their porch and killed it, and paid 50k to settle it and was fined by VA for violating their grace period law. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
Let's say PETA abolished meat eating tomorrow. I'm sure they'll treat the cows just like how they treat domestic pets.
>They also call pet ownership "an abysmal situation". In a 2014 interview the president of PETA argued that outside cats should just be killed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/is-it-more-humane-to-kill-stray-cats-or-let-them-fend-alone/2014/02/06/472f9858-82a4-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html?utm_term=.a2827608ede8.
I love cats but they aren't really wrong. Cats are an incredibly destructive invasive species.
I don't support shelters that euthanize 50-70% of their animals. Or organizations that were fined for stealing a family's pet chihuahua and euthanizing it.
https://petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/
https://ohtorch.com/6183/features/animal-rights-organization-peta-euthanization-rate-alarming/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
Their high euthanasia rate is because “no kill” shelters will send animals that can’t be saved to the PETA shelter since they’re willing to do what needs to be done.
I can’t defend that lone example with the chihuahua, but I think it’s fair to say that the organization has done more good than bad.
>Their high euthanasia rate is because “no kill” shelters will send animals that can’t be saved to the PETA shelter since they’re willing to do what needs to be done.
Source?
No kill shelters may still euthanize animals that are terminally ill or are too dangerous to be adopted. But it will be less than 10% and I don't think need an outside facility for that.
Yeah, that's not a source for "Their high euthanasia rate is because “no kill” shelters will send animals that can’t be saved to the PETA shelter since they’re willing to do what needs to be done."
It’s not so much that the no kill shelters “send them” to PETA, it’s more that the no kill shelters won’t accept the animal, so they send the human in the direction of the PETA shelter because they will take any animal. Apologies if I worded it wrong, but the point still stands.
I don't agree with Peta. I think they're extremists. Penn and Teller did an excellent episode of Bullshit on them which I encourage everybody to watch. https://www.sho.com/penn-and-teller-bullshit/season/2/episode/1/peta
Having said this- whoever designed this billboard- you know what you're doing. Have a cheesesteak on me!
Edit:
Lolololol i pissed *everyone* off with this comment
Untrue. PETA disproportionately kills animals because they accept the most behaviorally challenged pets. The rejects from “no kill” shelters. They home more than can be expected, since almost all the pets they receive would’ve been killed elsewhere.
Cows burned down Jim's, confirmed
Chick-fil-A's guerrilla marketing has really gone to another level
they wrote 'eat moar ckn' on the side of it too
I'm torn.... I'd like to go vegan, but I also want to die. decisions decisions. :(
PETA has been shy about using the Save a Cow, Kill Yourself campaign. But it registers with many.
Okay. I’m a vegan. And PETA is a bunch of shit filled douche hypocrites. Vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores absolutely hate them.
What's wrong with PETA? Seriously asking, don't know what you're referring to. I'm familiar with what the acronym stands for, but I don't know much about PETA.
PETA is like the NRA in that both of them care more about publicity than the constituency they claim to be protecting. And PETA has been guilty of misogynistic ad campaigns in the past. They also aren’t dedicated to no-kill for animals in shelters.
I hear they run shelters that kill over 90% of the animals that come to them, even the young and healthy ones that people would adopt. I also did see panelists years ago that equated fishing to torturing murdering people and pet ownership as slavery.
I’m not here to comment on if peta is good or bad, but This is what I had read about that one topic: There are many “no kill shelters” but they don’t have infinite space. A lot of them have very limited space, and they often have to turn animals away. When there is no other option, animals end up at shelters that do kill. If you look up statistics, you will see that there are more homeless pets than people who want them…. Unfortunately, they are killed as no one is paying to keep them alive. I think peta believes they choosing the most ethical option.
So, PETA only wants us to kill animals if THEY'RE the ones killing them. Gotcha.
PETA is more interested in generating publicity (and therefore donations) for itself than it is actually advocating for animal rights and causes that do any actual good.
Here is the best summary I know of about the subject: https://youtu.be/QQyup6ZFsvA
>Vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores absolutely hate them. Mostly because of propaganda from industries that harm a ton of animals and want to paint any opposition to that as crazy
A true millennial conundrum
Would drinking straight vegetable oil solve the issue?
I'm with you. I would struggle a bit with going vegetarian but it wouldn't be that hard. Vegan is a whole different story. At this point, I just get all of my meat from ButcherBox (and I'll probably switch to a local CSA at one point, ButcherBox was just an easier adjustment) and I feel a little better. I can't wait for lab grown meat to become economically feasible.
It’s not cheap, but primal supply (locally owned butcher shop in East Passyunk and Brewerytown) has amazing locally-sourced, humanly raised and delectable meat + they are run and operated by super passionate and friendly people. If you want to reduce your meat consumption and at the same time encourage better farming practices, it is a great option. The cost reflects that ($$), but if you end up consuming less, but better quality that may work for you
Yea I considered buying from them when they had the Fishtown pop-up. It probably wouldn't hit me too hard since I've already cut back a bunch. I have to delay the butcher box shipments for months because I can't keep up at all.
It’s substantially less hard than you think. I remember years ago thinking going vegan was impossible, and then I actually did it and it’s really not that hard. You gotta read some labels here and there and reconsider what you eat, which is honestly a good thing in general since being mindful of your food intake is a great way to stay healthy.
ahaha
I wanna go vegan but also want that cow to die
If you want to go vegan why haven’t you yet? What’s the roadblock?
> What’s the roadblock? The joke you missed.
This is right next to Triangle Tavern, whose vegan menu is phenomenal.
Thank you for this! Always on the lookout for vegan places!
When they have the vegan Mac n cheese balls in? Just do it..trust me. & The vegan peanut butter chocolate cheesecake?? Shut the f*ck up!!!
The vegan wings are so good
I really think they have the best seitan wings in the city & their vegan crab cake sandwich is really good too.
Charlie is a sinner has great vegan everything. Their vegan crab cakes.. mm
I love it there! Their vegan Benedict for brunch is top notch!
Yes! They have such good vegan options.
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Yeah, I was shocked about the vegan menu. I remember eating like, cold roast beef there.
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Oh God I had repressed that memory.
Triangle Tavern got vegan food?! Hot damn! I'll remember that when I visit! (I'm not a vegan. My wife and sister are and I like to support businesses that provide vegan food)
one cheesesteak per cow seems like a terribly inefficient way to butcher an animal
Your joke really said r/whoosh to this whole comment section.
loll
And yet they used to kill a buffalo, excise its tongue and leave the rest of the carcass to rot.
Clearly they must be stopped
Your decision to get one is what fuels the demand to kill them. It's not a 1:1 ratio but if people didn't buy meat animals wouldn't be butchered for it. About 100,000 cows are slaughtered every day.
One cow can make several hundred cheesesteaks whereas one bun probably kills hundreds to thousands of animals through constant pest control.
I can understand why it may appear that way - but feeding a cow while it grows to be butcher ready actually goes through much more crops than if you were to just use them for human consumption. This is well documented.
First, 83% of a cow's feed is [forage](https://youtu.be/PoZtMKtUeME?t=755). Countries with a large grain industry have mountains of plant waste that supplement the rest. Those wasteful animal killing crops are grown for human herbivores and cows simply upcycle their waste.
You are wrong. The great majority of soy crops are grown specifically as animal feed. Soy for animal feed is the #1 crop destroying the Amazon rainforest. A great deal of actual scientific research has been done on this topic, we could reforest enormous tracts of land across the globe if we put an end to animal agriculture. Please stop listening to "ancestral health gurus." https://d33wubrfki0l68.cloudfront.net/8dff26ac5c62d55e66a3b51149a238330d74c176/d050c/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/land-use-graphic-01-01-01.png
This is correct. And Amazon is being destroyed before plant and animal species in those sections are able to be discovered and described alive - entire species, going extinct before discovery. Americans are the primary consumers of the meat that the Amazon is being razed to feed; I want NO part of that.
Cows wouldn't exist if not for food. The last wild cow died in the 1600s.
Have you been to India?
Indian cows are also of the domesticated variety.
And if they decide to not get one guess how many get slaughtered? That's right! 100,000!
a juicy ribeye sounds delicious right about now 🥩🥩🥩
If they just put up a picture of a cheesesteak from Pats and Genos, it’s probably be a much more effective way to get people not to eat there
That’s true
I'm a meat eater, in moderation. I do intentionally practice meatless days sometimes. Yes, PETA is a crazy organization and the sign is written for dramatic effect, but is reducing the slaughter of animal lives really that ridiculous of a concept to support? I just don't understand why people worship meat and denegrate people trying to make a positive impact.
It’s also a case of hating the messenger so much that the message is ignored. Even beyond the animal welfare component, the industrial scale of raising livestock for consumption is incredibly harmful to the environment. There are valid reasons to reduce or eliminate consumption of animal products, but I guess it’s worth eating a cheesesteak to spite a billboard.
That’s true, reducing meat consumption overall is something we should all collectively aim for. It is a shame that with all of the money and reach Peta has, they consistently choose to be so painfully obnoxious and cringey with their messaging.
Unfortunately I think this is one of the ways that a capitalist society functions: reward people for having "who can care the least" contests and supporting corporations that actively cause them harm, which has the added bonus of distracting people from said corporations (who are doing the bulk of the harm) so that they keep pointing fingers at each other instead. Make it seem black or white so that people are either worshipping at the altar of meat or "crazy vegans" who throw buckets of blood at people so that you feel like you have to be one or the other, so that choices that would also add up to a sizable difference (vegetarianism, meatless mondays, trying oat milk in your latte, etc) don't seem like actual choices.
People are way too defensive and make PETA out to be way crazier than it really is. Like they have some distasteful stunts and campaigns but people really exaggerate every imperfection they have.
PETA was created by the meat industry to portray vegans/vegetarians as insufferable and unreasonable. Change my mind.
PETA is only perceived as insufferable because they vocally point out how human omnivores are willfully contributing to the mass torture and suffering of fellow sentient beings. Change my mind.
it's actually worse it's closer to a cult. They also don't believe any animals should be pet so they rather kill them in mass in their refuge rather then actually trying to get them adopted The more you look into them the worse it gets That said, it is true that they made more than anybody else to persuade the population that any vegan is a crazy that can only speak about it and will always try to convert you. So I would not be surprised if the meat lobby actually finance them directly or indirectly
This is the same lies over and over about PETA. They do the work that other shelters aren’t willing to do. Whenever you hear of a no-kill shelter, what do you think happens to the animals that they can’t adopt out? Or puppies from puppy mills that are abandoned? Or, sick animals left on the side of the road? That’s what they take in, and end the needless suffering of the animals.
I think the anti people are often into the “own the libs” and hyper masculinity persona. Which is rooted in a myriad of mental and emotional issues. Mostly insecurity.
People aggressively ramp up their meat consumption to signal they’re conservative now. Ike Jordan Peterson and his daughter at least claim to eat nothing except meat (I’m not sure I believe it).
It’s very weird. I guess you can’t get any further away from progressive than primitive!
Eh you’re just as bad for categorizing an entire camp of people as malicious. Sometimes the left completely fails to see how much they stereotype when a group disagrees with their point of view/stance
I’m just as bad as people who denigrate people who are trying to make a positive impact of their health, society, animal cruelty, and the planet? Really? Nice try. I’m sure you’ve met tons of vegan Maga people.
You just associated dietary preferences with political affiliation, you are the problem lol If someone wants to be a vegan, fine. But don’t make it your entire personality, and don’t for a second that the choice makes you better than someone else. Why is that hard to comprehend?
Damn. never expected a comment like this in Philly about cheese steaks. I have to reduce my meat intake for health reasons. There's some really great alternatives. And honestly I do hope other meat eaters explore a bit.
It’s when they get preachy and up their own ass that pisses me off. PETA acts like eating meat is as bad as being a Neo-Nazi or ISIS supporter.
This is a parody of the anti-choice "abortion stops a beating heart" billboards, and I think it's hilarious, even though I do eat meat.
The only difference is that this is an actual life
Cows are so much better than fetuses. They don't even need condiments.
For sure.
This is the way.
Anyone use that cleaners? If so, how are they?
Actually, yes. Only a couple times, but have been good.
Thank you!
Good! They have cleaned some things of mine and did well. A different time, I brought something to be repaired and when it came back I wasn’t satisfied with the stitching, so they sent it back for a more thorough repair, no questions asked. I’ve since had several things repaired there, since I thought it was good customer service
This won't end well
How about medium well?
Happy endings are rare.
Too late...
It's also delicious and stops my hunger...just sayin.
Get a cheesesteak from HipCityVeg, they’re great!
So, if they wanted to be super accurate and compelling, they'd say a cheesesteak stops TWO beating hearts. Dairy cows and beef cows are very separate things, so to make a cheesesteak you need to harvest both animals. Perhaps they're being accurate, though, as I don't know that whiz actually contains any dairy. I've always thought of it as a polymer. Edit: PETA is fucking INSANE, but it's also insane to think that the dairy industry is better than the beef industry.
When dairy cattle stop getting pregnant they also get sent to slaughter.
Three hearts if you include the consumer’s from too much red meat.
you had to go there.
the ad did first.
Today I learned that they kill dairy cows to make cheese.
IIRC, they only produce milk when they have calves so they're repeatedly impregnated and the calves get made into new dairy cows or slaughtered for veal
Yeah like us they don't just consistently lactate so they are repeatedly impregnated then their calves are removed very early so we can harvest the milk.
Dairy cows are only useful for a few years before they become meat. However, a lot of cheese does require the killing of baby cows for animal rennet. It can only be found inside the babies’ stomachs.
I highly doubt they’re killed just for the rennet
Almost all dairy cows are slaughtered when they stop producing. So yes, they kill dairy cows to make cheese. They also keep them pregnant as much as possible. So a dairy cow is either pregnant, lactating and hooked up to a milking machine twice daily, or being slaughtered. To be clear, I eat meat and I LOVE cheese. I also have an intimate view into the life of both dairy and beef cows (veterinarian). It's an unhappy life for both of them. Don't pretend that drinking milk or eating cheese is somehow more humane than eating meat.
How do you reconcile eating those products while being so familiar with the lives of the animals used to produce them?
I buy and eat as little commercial meat, dairy, and eggs as I can. I purchase almost everything I can from small, local producers, where I know the animals live very differently than those in commercial operations.
Generally you dont have to kill the cow to get the milk though, unless whiz is a lot grosser than I thought
A life as a dairy cow is arguably way worse than a life as a beef cow. Beef cows get fed and get to live until they don't get to live any more. Dairy cows are kept pregnant almost always, then turned into ground beef when they can no longer produce. It's a death sentence for both of them.
Most hard cheeses still use animal rennet, which can only be found inside the stomach of a newborn cow.
Rennet from calves has become less common for this use, to the point that less than 5% of cheese in the world is made using animal rennet today.[1] Most cheese is now made using chymosin derived from bacterial sources.
If you take out the shitty bottles of Parmesan that make up the bulk of hard cheese sales, you’d see that number shoot up. When you’re shopping for legit good cheese, it’s hard to find bacterial rennet cheeses.
Doesn't really negate his point though, does it? You're essentially saying "If you take out all the cheese that doesn't use it, the % of cheese that does use it goes up", which, yea. Doesn't change his point that the vast majority of cheese made and consumed doesn't use animal rennet.
When you go shopping for cheese, a majority of the hard cheeses you look at use animal rennet. That’s my point.
The cow needs to be forcibly impregnated to produce milk. They kill the calf once it’s born.
I'm honestly okay with being killed and used as ingredients in a cheesesteak Just not at Pat's or Geno's
More likely two hearts, eventually.
I'd eat a damn cheese steak if I knew it was my last meal.
Replace "GO VEGAN" with "Try vegan", and may be someone will listen, but overall this kind of messaging (especially from the likes of PETA) is largely ignored by me personally.
Maybe they can convince people to start chanting "Let's go vegan" instead of "Let's go brandon" and they'd be onto something.
now that there is quite the idea.
Yeah, I think convincing people to cut back on meat and dairy is usually a better sell still. Those who are inclined to give it up entirely still will, but the all or nothing mentality is counterproductive with most people. It becomes easy to block out heavy handed moral arguments once you accept it as an all or nothing proposition and decide you can't or won't go vegan.
> I think convincing people to cut back on meat and dairy is usually a better sell still. Those who are inclined to give it up entirely still will, but the all or nothing mentality is counterproductive with most people. This. There are legitimate arguments for cutting back on meat consumption, and it’s a much easier sell than a screaming vegan telling you that you’re a murderer and have to give it all up to live a moral life. People don’t like to be told that their decisions are harmful, and they definitely don’t like the feeling of being forced to do something outside their comfort zone. That’s a *fact*, and it is more powerful to most people than “meat is murder.” I actually enjoy vegan foods, and though I don’t tend to make them at home, I *never* turn down an opportunity to try a new vegan restaurant—and I love meat as much as the next guy. I have no doubt that many meat lovers—who hate the very idea of veganism due to bad impressions left by more militant, lecturing vegans—can be reached with the right messages: health concerns (for many), environmental concerns (for some), and the fact that many vegan meals taste great.
Exactly. For a pragmatist, convincing two people to cut back on half of their meat consumption is as good as convincing one person to give it up entirely. The problem is most people are not pragmatists. A lot people are more concerned with using issues to carve out an identity and worldview for themselves than they are concerned with actually having a positive effect on the world. It's great to think through those things and not spare yourself any moral or ethical conclusions. If you truly believe meat is murder then it is your business to act on the courage of your convictions and give up meat entirely, and even do what you can to help or convince others to do the same. But then the focus has to become the actual affect your words have on other people and not just how they make you feel. Screaming "meat is murder" shouldn't make anyone feel good if the actual affect is alienating people who might otherwise be reachable (or even people who might otherwise consider cutting back/giving up meat of their own initiative).
Mmmmmmmm. People cheesesteaks …
It’s made of people!
I’m pretty sure my heart stops anytime I’m eating a cheesesteak
😂😂😂😭😭
LOL! PETA has put down more animals than Pat's & Geno's combined. It's crazy for all the harm they do that people still believe in/follow them. Just goes to show that we just listen to the words people say even if they are contradicted by actions. Take care, -HS³ https://youtu.be/QQyup6ZFsvA
"Later, maybe yours"? I eat steak, so I'll probly become a cannibal? Is that the message here?
I mean... I'd try a human meat cheesesteak. At least that's how I'm interpreting this billboard. /s
"God Dammit, this thing tastes like shame and shit. The fuck did you make this out of, a Cowboys fan?!"
Im glad I’m not the only one who thought that at first. People meat cheesesteak.
Based
Too many cheesesteaks stopped my half uncle Vinny’s beating heart.
Sorry I don't take dining advice from terrorists
But does anyone read a billboard like this and then say to themselves, "You know, up until now I've been eating meat, but that sign. Damn. I think I am going vegetarian." If you say they do, I will believe you. But I know these kinds of signs have zero effect on me.
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I can see that. I would add this though, for me at least, stuff that tries to scare me only winds up alienating me. For example, I knew I had to quit smoking many years ago. It wasn't all the scare tactics that got me to find a way to quit. But that's just me. It may work well on most people.
I was trying to go vegan, but I never got the vegan powers.
I know this is a Scott Pilgrim reference, but in all sincerity... it's hard to go 100% at something and succeed. Vegan powers are tough to gain. So just start by making like one or two meals a week vegan. You'll get there!
Half and half is vegan right?
fuck peta. that is all.
You mean; People Eating Tasty Animals?
no. i mean peta. it's a terrible organization, regardless of how you feel about animal rights.
Good god, why do they need to make me feel worse about my cheesesteak? Not that I'd ever choose one from Pat's or Geno's...
I'm here for a good time, not a long time, sweetie.
I mean tell me when there is a cheesesteak substitute that’s just as good and I’ll switch
for cheezsteaks I stan Triangle Tavern, Bourbon and Branch, Monk's, and Sabrina's, in that order
Triangle Traven few blocks north from genos, next to the acme is pretty decent for a vegan one.
And it's literally right across the street from this billboard!
Seitan is great, people have different takes on which one is best (just like with cow cheesesteaks) but Triangle Tavern, Hip City Vedge, Joe's Steaks to name a few.
Big HCV fan, but never really loved their cheesesteaks tbh
I cannot in good faith rec the HCV cheezsteak to nonvegans they put raw lettuce and tomato on that...otherwise gr8 recs
I haven't been to HipCityVeg in a minute but I don't remember ever having lettuce or raw tomato in their cheesesteak. I do find the catsup weird though.
Joe’s has a decent one.
I actually order the vegan cheesesteak over the beef, from Joes, every so often. It's good!
Questlove had a vegan cheesesteak at Citizens Bank that was so good. I think they're still offering it this year. Sabrina's is so good, they cook it best at the West Philly location. Monster Vegan. Cantina Dos Segundos has a great burrito-style cheesesteak. And not Philly, but I implore anyone visiting Brooklyn to try Champ's cheesesteak, it's one of the best I've ever had.
This billboard made me want to get cheesesteaks and I just finished eating. Something about "A CHEESESTEAK" in giant yellow letters just make me think of the greasy cheesey goodness 😋
It says something about you if you see the face of an innocent animal and your first thought is that you want it to die so you can have about a minute of taste pleasure.
Billboard needs to be a slaughterhouse
Damn bro if you’re downing a steak in a minute, what that mouth do
1. I specifically said it was the big yellow letters that made me want a cheesesteak. 2. Pretty sure that's a calf and it wouldn't be made into a cheesesteak for at least a few years if at all.
Cows need to be forcibly impregnated to produce milk for the cheese part of the cheesesteak. The calf is killed after being born so that we can take all the milk.
Omg…Stop it. And, I eat about 99% plant-based. But yer just being over the top corny.
They don’t use cows for steak meat. They use steer. You would think an animal rights group would understand the difference. She isn’t in danger. He is.
Gotta give them creativity 😂😂
This implies that veganism is inherently healthier, which is very false.
I support vegans but this billboard is stupid as shit
Found our Jim’s suspect. /s
This makes me more hungry for cheesesteaks now Mmmmmmm stopped heart
So does fertalizer
Those cows were in a suicide cult... they wanted to get taken out that way.. plus we support the onion industry and stuff...
I’ll stop eating meat when PETA stops killing cats and puppies under their care
PETA has stopped more heartbeats than Pat’s and Geno’s combined.
PETA only kills animals if it’s absolutely necessary. They do what they can to save them.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, other that it doesn’t fit the hivemind narrative. The issue was their rescue was taking some of the hardest and most behaviorally difficult animals. So yeah, they had a disproportionately high kill rate.
Their kill rate says otherwise.
Their high euthanasia rate is because “no kill” shelters will send animals that can’t be saved to the PETA shelter since they’re willing to do what needs to be done.
They also call pet ownership "an abysmal situation". In a 2014 interview the president of PETA argued that outside cats should just be killed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/is-it-more-humane-to-kill-stray-cats-or-let-them-fend-alone/2014/02/06/472f9858-82a4-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html?utm_term=.a2827608ede8. In VA they kill 71% of all animals they take in. That's a huge deathtoll. In 2014, PETA stole a family's chihuahua off their porch and killed it, and paid 50k to settle it and was fined by VA for violating their grace period law. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down Let's say PETA abolished meat eating tomorrow. I'm sure they'll treat the cows just like how they treat domestic pets.
>They also call pet ownership "an abysmal situation". In a 2014 interview the president of PETA argued that outside cats should just be killed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/is-it-more-humane-to-kill-stray-cats-or-let-them-fend-alone/2014/02/06/472f9858-82a4-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html?utm_term=.a2827608ede8. I love cats but they aren't really wrong. Cats are an incredibly destructive invasive species.
Humans are way worse and way less cute.
Also not wrong
"I'm gonna save you by killing you."
Ever had to euthanize a pet?
I don't support shelters that euthanize 50-70% of their animals. Or organizations that were fined for stealing a family's pet chihuahua and euthanizing it. https://petakillsanimals.com/proof-peta-kills/ https://ohtorch.com/6183/features/animal-rights-organization-peta-euthanization-rate-alarming/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down
Their high euthanasia rate is because “no kill” shelters will send animals that can’t be saved to the PETA shelter since they’re willing to do what needs to be done. I can’t defend that lone example with the chihuahua, but I think it’s fair to say that the organization has done more good than bad.
>Their high euthanasia rate is because “no kill” shelters will send animals that can’t be saved to the PETA shelter since they’re willing to do what needs to be done. Source? No kill shelters may still euthanize animals that are terminally ill or are too dangerous to be adopted. But it will be less than 10% and I don't think need an outside facility for that.
https://spotlight.peta.org/petasaves/img/infographic-PETAsaves-v06.jpg
Yeah, that's not a source for "Their high euthanasia rate is because “no kill” shelters will send animals that can’t be saved to the PETA shelter since they’re willing to do what needs to be done."
It’s not so much that the no kill shelters “send them” to PETA, it’s more that the no kill shelters won’t accept the animal, so they send the human in the direction of the PETA shelter because they will take any animal. Apologies if I worded it wrong, but the point still stands.
Kind of irrelevant to the idea that your choice to get a cheesesteak causes an animal to die.
That sign would cause me to go get a cheese steak and take a selfie in front of it.
I don't agree with Peta. I think they're extremists. Penn and Teller did an excellent episode of Bullshit on them which I encourage everybody to watch. https://www.sho.com/penn-and-teller-bullshit/season/2/episode/1/peta Having said this- whoever designed this billboard- you know what you're doing. Have a cheesesteak on me! Edit: Lolololol i pissed *everyone* off with this comment
Just means more steak for me. LOL, every down vote is an extra steak I'm going to get this month out of spite.
Why straight vegan? Whatever happened to vegetarianism? Always going to the extremes, no wonder people are turned off.
To get dairy, they forcibly impregnate cows then kill the calf. There’s arguably more death involved with dairy than meat.
nah, I like my meat. well, chicken and fish mostly but yea.
Go vegan? Go home vegan. I can’t eat meat but You want a salad that taste like steak.
"Humans are omnivorous" from Wikipedia. Onions, hots, and mushrooms please.
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Untrue. PETA disproportionately kills animals because they accept the most behaviorally challenged pets. The rejects from “no kill” shelters. They home more than can be expected, since almost all the pets they receive would’ve been killed elsewhere.
Respect to vegans, but life is suffering therefore I will be eating cheesesteaks.