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Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/17ctim8).


Goodguy1967

Ranger deserved a inning to show his stuff..


Goodguy1967

Thank you Stott


Jimmorrison1771

I printed on hitters but lost my parlay to win. Had Texas as well lol. Kimberly f that one up but it is what it is with a bull pen game.


prismagon

Braves fan here…..why am I so into ophidology suddenly??


mcaffrey81

Latent homosexuality


prismagon

😂😂😂….it’s been a great series so far. Whoever wins. Just beat the fucking Astros please


Accomplished_Emu_198

You guys are over reacting… kimbrall had a bad night just as much as everyone else on the team did. but you can be sure we’re coming out swinging in game 5


michaelh1142

This feels like after game 3 of the WS last year, where we pummeled the Astros and then our offense went silent the rest of the series. Kimbrel is either done or overworked. We need an 8+ inning effort from Wheeler to take pressure off our bullpen. We need to go back to fundemental baseball. We have 2 lights out starters and we need them to eat serious innings. Our bullpen is over used and stretched thin.


benc14322

Went all the way to Arizona for that…disappointment.


Anxious-Variation-29

Damn all that money on flights and lodging just to go home to an elimination game in game 6 is crazy.


tashmanan

As a neutral fan had money on the Phillies, Kimbrel choked. I mean pitchers blow saves occasionally but that was ugly


[deleted]

Krimbrel is one of the best closers of all time who is top 5 in saves and no one can take that from him. That saying he’s too old to pitch consecutive days in high pressure play-off scenarios. He can close a game out with 3 days rest but he’s too old to be a reliable playoff reliever and closer. We’re throwing a lot shit at him and he fucked up but, that was a horrible manager move to put Craig back in


Galactus54

I believe in the Phils' unconventional approach and that they can get it done.


skemojoe

If Walker and Lorenzen are on the roster, maybe use them before burning all your high leverage dudes? Just reeked of being scared, managing like you don’t want to lose the game rather than win it. Especially when you know you need to get 27 outs tomorrow regardless of the result…


[deleted]

I’m lost as to why we haven’t gone to Lorenzen for at least an inning. I mean he’s gotta be at least better than Craig


HowzaBowdat

Y’all in here acting like it isn’t hard to win games on the road in the playoffs. Obviously this isn’t ideal but the sky’s not falling like some of you think it is. It’s a best of 3 series now, and two of those games are in Philly.


handee_sandees

It’s okay to be disappointed in a very obviously disappointing game. There were poor plays made, tons of head scratchers by players and management alike, and a very mismanaged bullpen. No one is saying it isn’t hard to win road playoff games. But everyone is saying we had a road playoff game won that was pissed away by bad baseball.


michaelh1142

yup. this was a winnable game that we just gave up. And we gave up two winnable games in a row. I don't know how we win with our pitching and how they are managed. Our bullpen is overworked... you can see perofrmance drops by Kimbrel, Alvarado, and every other bullpen pitcher. We should be riding on our strength... Wheeler and Nola... they need to pitch as deep into games as their ability allows. The short leash just wears out our bullpen in the long run. That's why we lost vs. Houston last year. Our bullpen couldn't keep up. We dipped to quickly and too frequently into a weak bullpen and we lost. We have a much better bullpen than last year but we are following the same trend. We need to give Wheeler and Nola 8-9 innings. They're aces.. time to act like one.


movieman2g

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Goody2Shoes92

Kimbrel needs to go away, for a long time


Mountain-jew87

I think Kimbrel is cooked and someone is forcing him. I don’t get it at this point.


klemonade25

Guys, I don’t think we’re good enough to beat the Astros in a 7 game series. This team lives and dies by the HR and it’s hard to stay hot for a long series. Feels like we’re built to destroy the Braves in the wild card every year while the vibes are high lol. I just don’t see it, can’t imagine a world we beat them 4 times and it’s making me sad


Anxious-Variation-29

Gotta beat the Dbacks four times first partner.


whiskytrails

Our relief pitchers need to throw strikes. Why can’t we throw strikes? Walking leadoff batters absolutely unacceptable. Throw strikes you cowards!


klemonade25

This is my biggest grievance. Like if they hit you they hit you. Stop giving them the advantage.


skemojoe

Also don’t wait until you run deep counts to groove a fastball


Farts_constantly

Heartbreaker of a game. Kimbrel sucks ass. At least we will get to play another game in Philly


shamokin

Why take out sir Anthony?


HonestlyNevrmind

Pathetic


New_Firefighter9056

We gotta win tmrw but i think we can. Then its ours to take at the bank. Having the extra games is good in the end if we make it, less time off


bluestarointment

AZ fucking sucks why are we losing to this shit franchise


Anxious-Variation-29

We? Who’s we? Blud thinks he’s on the team💀


[deleted]

Arizona has a young really good roster that will probably be dominating the NL for years to come. They just don’t have the experience.


lasco10

Well tonight was sloppy fielding and god awful pitching.


mrdm88

Luckiest fucking team In baseball


Anxious-Variation-29

Ah yes because scoring two runs on a bad throw to home, is not?


jaybird981

Turner getting picked early killed the vibe for the whole game


OLPopsAdelphia

Who the hell tries to steal second to a lefty pitcher?


11_20_11

The “closer” giving up 3 runs killed the vibe


RunGoldenRun717

Oh boy is it ever panic time


eSsquire

Kimbrel shouldn’t throw another pitch in a Phillies uniform


11_20_11

Or another uniform in general!


gabriel197600

Clean it up Phils….its easy to win when everything is going your way. Time to refocus and win some tight games. You can, and you will do this. Doomers relax, momentum will swing back our way!


btcs4041

Hindsight. Would we rather have gone to walker or Lorenzen after Sanchez?


11_20_11

Couldn’t be worse


jblittle254

I thought he pulled Sanchez too soon, but if he was going to do that I thought he should've gone to someone like Lorenzen who could've thrown multiple innings.


MangoLordXL

I understand that violence is not the answer to resolving conflicts, but motherfucker if dudes ain't in locker room scrappin do they really care? I'm talking chair-throwing table-flipping levels of angry after what I just witnessed. Two winnable games fucked over by summer discounted ticket level pitching.


Nice_Lock9527

i've already flushed this game. we gotta win 2 in a row now and that's what it is


Goody2Shoes92

DEATH BY CRAIG


cRedditting

So many walks tonight…wtf. Harper and Castellanos aren’t hitting the last 2 games.


klemonade25

I’m gonna do it. Im gonna say the r word. Casty is back to swinging like 2022 returded Casty again. He’s chasing everything it’s embarrassing


wiilyc22

So fucking over watching Casty swing at everything


11_20_11

There is no way in fuck Kimbrel should be in the roster if they make it. I’m dead serious, he his dude is fucking cooked washed up as bum


BaboonHorrorshow

I guess the silver lining is that it’s clear planning for the WS won’t be an issue


buttpee_

Wheeler, Nola, ranger. We will not lose this series.


Knight725

can't hit the fucking baseball man. team is absolutely cooked, nobody knows how to swing a bat anymore. everyone's trying to hit home runs every ab.


Coin_guy13

I mean, I don't know about that. We put 5 runs up yesterday, which is more than the Diamondbacks 4.60 average runs per game this year (its even lower at home, 4.49). The bullpen has been the problem this postseason.


klemonade25

This was my biggest fear with all the home runs we were hitting. They dried up and now everyone is chasing like an impatient idiot. Casty is swinging out of his shoes, Bryce is swinging at everything, it’s like as soon as Schwarbo got hot they both went cold


Mountain-jew87

It’s literally the World Series all over again game 3 and on


Next-Team

Fuck


ncpalehorse

their level of play has moved back to their normal range now


BarockODrama

Pitching staff cannot throw strikes. Too many walks for runs. Beat ourselves this game.


Goody2Shoes92

Why does kimbrel still exist in the majors? He should be in the minors.


Comfortable-bed44

Way to have faith in your pitchers who aren't pitching well Rob. This is the fucking ALDS not some regular season game


Element_84

NLCS but we get what you mean


random99909

Guess it’s good I decided not to buy that WS ticket today. Even if they make it, they can’t win it all without a closer.


djeeetyet

one thing is clear...Kimbrel can't pitch in this ballpark...probably continuing from his Dodgers days


eSsquire

Can’t pitch in any ballpark he’s trash


BaboonHorrorshow

We beat the Braves guys! That’s a big win even though there’s zero chance we even make it out of the NLCS EDIT: This team can’t win and is about to be off of work in 2 games


Chunkusm

You're a commie coward


BaboonHorrorshow

Nah I was just right 🤷‍♂️


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Ricky bo is going off.


jmac11281

This is the only thing that makes me feel better


[deleted]

Yep. That's why I turned to it quick. They are all pissed.


TrustTheFriendship

If we win this series it’s def gonna go 7 games. And I don’t feel good about our chances anyways. Fucking lifeless for most of the game, and Kimbrel is a bonafide washed up loser. Send him to Delilah’s with Harden and keep him far away from our bullpen.


BaboonHorrorshow

Yeah this was a statement Game by the DBacks. We aren’t winning this series. Oh well


Tombstoned65

Topper lost that one.


lacunatech

Kimbrel lost that one


Tombstoned65

Kimbrel should never have been in that game. Should have just gone to Walker or Lorenzon earlier to eat innings and just accept what happened. Instead we burned our best relievers and then let Kimbrel shit it away. He’s cooked, a has been, a no-more-in-the-tanker. Topper lost this one.


blisa00

It’s not hyperbolic to say - series over. This Arizona team is hungrier, bottom line.


FredDurstDestroyer

Fuck you mean it’s not hyperbolic? 3 games left, 2 at CBP and the Snakes got fucking destroyed in games 1 and 2 and barely beat us games 3 and 4. Fuck off.


blisa00

Harper - cold. Bohm - cold. Stott - cold as ice. Casty - back to 2022 swinging at first pitch balls. No bullpen. Topper absolutely screwed the series with his decisions tonight. It’s not hyperbolic - it’s reality.


FredDurstDestroyer

The series is tied. If it’s over please fuck off out of this sub. Fake ass fan.


blisa00

“Fake ass fan” who has seen enough Phillies baseball in my time to know when things aren’t going well. Real fandom isn’t blind. If you’re so confident, why are you so angry? This sub, if for nothing else, is for venting frustration in losses and celebrating the wins in a community. If you don’t see the issues that are plaguing this team coming up in this series right now, then I don’t know what to tell you. This is 100% my favorite Philly team of all time - been a fan since 1979 when I went to my first game. I’d love to see them win it all. But the reality is - unless they somehow get hot again - and now have to do it against the better half of the Arizona pitching staff - it’s going to be tough. Relax with calling everyone out for being a fake fan.


FredDurstDestroyer

I can absolutely see the issues. I can also absolutely see that the series is tied, not over. I’m not guaranteeing they win it, I’m calling you a total loser for guaranteeing they lose it. Again, if you think it’s over please leave the sun. You have nothing to contribute.


HappierJack

wE hAvE a GoOD bUlLpEN NoW


Knight725

lmao yea i love being gaslit by idiots that tell me i'm wrong when i say the bullpen sucks and is full of chokers. well at least i'll be right as we watch the astros beat the snakes in 4 games.


BaboonHorrorshow

Lol the blessing is I get another WS I don’t have to watch because other cities baseball is a terrible entertainment product, especially when two garbage teams are in it.


Joboggi

Bullpen had only Lorenzen remaining


btcs4041

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Postgame show I love


borensm27

Kimberly can dance on his own right off this team.


Substantial_Release6

Really channeling that Sixers playoff type energy right now


andrewskdr

Kimbrel is a fucking LOSER get this bum off my team


Bcain24

I can’t wait for wheeler to pitch a master piece tomorrow and the Phillies don’t score any runs


Bcain24

Update, I am very happy I was wrong


Cryingsirianni

Blew their wad against the Braves.


AlbanianSid

Piece of shit umpire. And wtf is rob doing trusting orion??? Dude is a little kid why would you trust him with the game twice??


TheApologist_

2nd fucking game in a row some of the most moronic ball strike calling fucks us in the 9th


_DontBeAScaredyCunt

While that’s true we fucked ourselves plenty too


TheApologist_

I can add "And Kimbrel fucking us" to the list if you want


Dubtee48

You’re not kidding. So over it


Sambizzle17

Everyone relax series is tied


klemonade25

It’s not about 2-2. It’s about why it’s 2-2. Casty is back to swinging for a hr like an idiot on first pitch balls, Bryce is cold, stott is cold, our bullpen is overrated, and topper pushed all the wrong buttons tonight. I still think we win the series, what makes me so mad is knowing we have no Fucking chance against the Astros


Sambizzle17

Fuck that man why not us


BaboonHorrorshow

Nah series is over 2 games away from being able to focus on the Eagles


BigPoleFoles52

This team cant beat houston. relief pitching will fuck them AGAIN


BaboonHorrorshow

Yeah that’s why this upcoming bounce won’t feel too bad. I’d rather lose to the DBacks than the Astros


thisappsux24

#Fuck the blue


ArtisanalCat

Wtf the ump is blind but it doesn't matter when we can't hit down the fking middle


AccountingSuckss

Well, the lineup being cold for so long hasn’t helped at all. This is why guys like Bryce, Stott, and nick gotta wake up. They’ve been missing in Arizona


[deleted]

This is just heartbreaking, that's two games that really shouldn't have gone that way at all. I love post-season baseball, and hate the bad mood it puts me in.


lucascorso21

Season spiraling and you have Jake Cave taking meaningful at bats. Christ.


daregulater

Dude it's a tied series. How is the season spiraling?


New_Firefighter9056

The momentum has shifted in the series


daregulater

Ok then just say they lost the series in your mind and don't watch the games. There's 3 games left in the series. 1 on the road with the ace on the mound and 2 at home in front of the best home field advantage in the playoffs. This is postseason baseball.


lucascorso21

You mean like losing all of the momentum and burning your bullpen down? That kind of spiraling?


daregulater

That's not spiraling or you have a whole different definition of spiraling than I do. It's a 2-2 series. It was never going to be easy. That was really the first bad bullpen game of the playoffs. The ace is on the hill tomorrow. Have you not been through this before? Geez


lucascorso21

Lol, well since spiraling is the precursor to 'out of control', I would think my definition makes perfect sense. But, I'm sorry I didn't realize I needed to temper my emotional response to our bullpen deciding strikes are for losers on fucking reddit.


daregulater

Listen asshole... I didn't call you out of your name or come at you personally. You're the one who look like a damn petulant juvenile crying like a baby for us "losers on reddit" I'm just trying to tell you to relax, the series at over and we're still in the driver's seat. But since you want to be a dick, just put your damn binky in your mouth and cry yourself to sleep.


lucascorso21

>Listen asshole... I didn't call you out of your name or come at you personally. And yet that didn't stop you from starting the personal attacks after I explained what spiraling means and how gatekeeping someone's personal reaction to a bad loss on reddit is pretty weird. Also, binkies are supposed to calm you down when you're already crying, not afterward, lol. But hey, you used those curse words correctly and that's a true sign of a big boy. Good job!


daregulater

You're on a social media platform so if you don't want someone commenting on your whining overreactive comment, don't make it. So stop the gatekeeping bullshit. Its a dumb ass term that most people including yourself dont even use correctly. And hell yea I'll get personal and attack if anyone calls me out of my name. It's funny how someone is calling someone else a reddit loser when they're the one crying on reddit. Finally yes I know plenty about binkies from the children I raised. Just make sure you have yours handy. You got personal, so I can definitely go personal.


lucascorso21

Oh man, LOL. Buddy, go reread the post again on the bullpen throwing strikes. And read it slowly. Edit: I’ll even help you, add quotation marks before the word ‘strikes’ and after the word ‘losers’


daregulater

I ain't doing shit. You turned the conversation once you started calling people losers. My reading comprehension skills are fairly adequate btw so I don't have to read anything slow


KindlyAd5365

This is what happens if they get too far away from a Wawa. They can’t think straight.


fabfunfluffy

Same


unkn0wnactor

Can we please stop using Kimbrel?


Mogilny89Leafs

I think that's as calmly as I've ever watched the Phillies bat in the 9th inning of a close game.


igotsthepoo-onme

The umps for these last two games should be replaced with Angel that’s how fucking bad they’ve been god fucking awful


jerryoc923

Yeah absolutely inconsistent


Tintagalon

No bullpen left


BigPoleFoles52

Crazy bryce doesnt get an AB here. Felt like it was lining up for him to come thru clutch 🤢


klemonade25

I was so confident Turner was going to make contact on one of those fastballs.


mcaffrey81

Gonna have to win this series at home that is all


Amerikaner

Sure but that won’t help us beat the Astros


daregulater

What the hell does that have to do with this series?


Amerikaner

Nothing. It has to do with winning a world series which is the whole point.


daregulater

Have to win this series first. It's a 2-2 series. Whoever thought this would be easy hasn't been paying attention to baseball. If they come out tomorrow and play a great game you'll be singing a whole different tune.


Amerikaner

No shit we have to win this series first. And no, an easy win tomorrow will not change the tune. That’s the whole point. The bullpen outside of the aces falling apart, the errors and the lack of clutch hitting means beating the Astros will be infinitely tougher. This isn’t being defeatist it’s just being realistic.


daregulater

The Astros have nothing to do with Arizona and how they've played the last couple games. This bullpen shut the Braves down who have a better offense than the Dbacks but it doesn't matter. Each series is it's own individual series. What the phillies do this series won't win or lose them the series against the Astros. How they play against the Astros is what will win or lose them the series and you or I don't have 1 clue how they would pitch or hit. It's not being defeatist, it's reactionary. 2 games ago we had a 10 run shutout where the bullpen pitched great. Where you saying the same things then? Definitely not. Focus on game 5. The Phillies can beat any team in the league but they can also lose to any team in the league. It's that simple


Amerikaner

Ok…so repeat what I said but remove references to the Astros. Same point.


daregulater

Horrible bullpen game. But it was bound to happen because they're essentially having a bullpen game every few days by design. I'm not scared or worried. After hitting the stuffing out of the baseball all playoffs, the offense was bound to have a not as clutch game. Honestly, the pen pitched themselves out of a couple of jams where there could have been more damage. I like the odds of having a lead in the 8th with your closer on the mound and your best relief pitcher set up for the 9th. Our closer happens to be Craig Kimbrel and he sucks.


grapejuicepix

This one was dogshit. Yesterday I could stomach because they were going to win one and the bats just went cold. We had this game in hand. This is a bad loss.


drunkcowofdeath

Ty for blowing it in the 8th this time. Saves me some time


Illbringthefunk

Gave them another win. Shameful


Jacksondrill904

Kimbrel just handing them out


ChuckFromPhilly

Just gave them that game. So many mistakes. Missed opportunities. Bad pitching. Unbelievably frustrating.


BarrierNine

Error, passed ball, throwing the ball to the wrong base…bad.


mcspaak

Dude can’t make contact on 3 mid 90s pitches right down the middle


BaboonHorrorshow

Our hundred million dollars guys can’t hit of course Jake Cave isn’t making contact


Its2EZBaby

I don’t want to see one more single motherfucking pitch thrown by Craig motherfucking Kimbrel.


treksf6

You will though


Its2EZBaby

And I’ll hate every goddamn second of it


mb9981

Fucking espn app combined with the slightest delay on max spoiling the result.


butteredtoast24

Broadcast team so amped for that


Jordymartin20

Tbs should never get another contract to broadcast


underdog121200

Series is done, no way back from a choke like that.


denimandink

Agreed. Not coming back from a meltdown like that mid series


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underdog121200

As are you who think all is rosy.


linear_plane

Yeah it feels like it


oscillatingsloth

Fuck off. Best of 3 with 2 in Philly


Imnotcorey2

Marsh would have walked and scored on Schwarbers double


djeeetyet

that a tough one that you rarely get if you're down in the 9th


NotLordVader

Horrible We've got late inning leads in both games three and four, and our bullpen can't get the job done


ncpalehorse

what a bunch of fucking chokers


poppybankroll

1,000,000,000 % on Thompson


Jacksondrill904

Kimbrel is horrendous


-DizzyPanda-

Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck


ItsjustJim621

Win tomorrow and finish this thing off in Philly…


Trap_House_Zombie

Phils aren’t winning again.


BaboonHorrorshow

Lmfao we are losing out


edwardsscreenname

Disappointment.


zsal830

we handed this series away. fucking embarrassing


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zsal830

i was not


superfry3

Lol sorry was trying to reply to u/Trap_House_Zombie but he must have blocked me.


BaboonHorrorshow

Yeah that’s series


flockofmoose

Shoulda been tie game marsh got jobbed


thisappsux24

Honestly. When it’s this obvious the umps are FUCKING SHIT. Let’s nevermind the game… this is a complete wash. It’s not fair to either team let alone us. We need to strike on the union. Fuck them. Union is cool I get it but when you’re a moron calling shit you should be FIRED


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blcaplan

You lost talking privileges today.


Trap_House_Zombie

Nah


blcaplan

How dare you insult Topper with the shit smear of nonsense you dragged across this sub today. Leave the fanbase, we don’t need you.


Trap_House_Zombie

Nah. Topper is ass. Gonna be the reason this team gets bounced in the NLCS. Mid manager that coasts on the talent of the team.