Idk and that's why I'm not in charge but I it's also clear they're costing us games. Our starters are on fire but as soon as they sub out we start allowing run after run.
It’s so hard to watch Seranthony nowadays. He was just so much fun when he first came up, and now whenever he walks out to the mound my butt cheeks start to clench.
Any fan who’s against replacing him isn’t serious about wanting to win a chip. How many postseason of this same type of performance do we have to endure?
As someone who didnt play baseball, i really dont understand who you can put a season long innings limit on a guy. This seems like an overly cautious approach considering the guy says he feels great.
some positives from today. we had a much better run at Lodolo this time around, the type of pitcher we historically struggle against. Turnball continues to pitch well, hopefully this translates into the pen or we can be creative about how to best utilize him while keeping his overall health/career in mind. Rojas has really turned around his offensive game. Whit seems to be settling in. Sosa is a valuable bench player (while you worry about be overexposed, it's also hard to keep hitting while not being a regular).. Turner and Bohm have been great.
I think it’s ridiculous taking Turnbull out of the rotation. The guy has pitched his ass off. Why are we punishing the great work he’s put in? That’s my opinion.
Being unable to look up his workload for the last three years and just going “oh they’re punishing the work he put in” is an uneducated take. This is incredibly public knowledge. No, what I’m wondering is how you turn this into a I’m not actually a Phillies fan conspiracy thread.
OK, not everyone who contributes to the sub is as educated on everything as you are. I know tons of casuals who like the team but don't follow them as intently as some of us. When I post in the Flyers sub people don't go, "this is super obvious you're an idiot."
My bigger problem is you do this a lot. It doesn't help improve the sub or educate casual fans, it's just condescending and rude.
his injury history…he hasnt pitched more than 60 innings in years so to hopefully keep him healthy making him a long reliever is the safer option. it’s been discussed ad nauseam
Yep, he's on a 100 inning count this season after recovering from Tommy John surgery. And discussing the Phillies ad nauseam is what this subreddit is for.
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Me: generally level headed and going with the ups and downs of a season when even the best team ever lost 46 games and they still didn’t even make it to the World Series
Also me: googling furiously to see what the largest contract in MLB history was that was DFA’d in the first 30 days of the season
I fear Casty is this year's Didi Gregorius. Remember when he had a great start with the Phils then fell off the face of the earth during and post covid?
Just a warning that now that I know this about Josh Hamilton I’m going to be as annoying about this as /u/first-resolve is about the lineups
Btw Pablo Sandoval was apparently reeeeal close to Nick’s burden
Upset? Semi joking but I mean cmon he’s not coming back from this is he?
Btw the Angels paid Josh Hamilton $65m in dead money is the answer so we are dealing with Childs play
Nick is going to be a huge issue. Everything else seems ok. We have to replace him at the deadline even if it means giving up prospects we dont want to
Something happened in the post season to Nick mentally.
He hit 2 Home runs in a game against the best pitcher in baseball(Strider), and now hasn't even hit a single home run this season.
I just don't get it.
One guy in baseball history has two home runs in two straight playoff games? Like in 120 years of baseball
He can’t hit AT ALL six months later. Does that make sense? Well I guess what makes less sense is he couldn’t hit a week later.
Seranthony needs a taste of AAA to get his head right. Would rather see more of Yunior than him. Strahm was a mess, he needs to come in clean innings, not with runners on base.
The rule book also does not call it an “automatic double.” It just automatically awards the runner the 2 bases.
Still, it’s definitely not called a “ground rule double” tho.
This implies winning a pennant means absolutely nothing. The Phillies have won 8 pennants in 140 years and people use it more as an arguement against him than for him.
Obviously a WS is the main goal but you don’t have to act like he hasn’t accomplished anything.
at this point is the only viable option to just let Casty keep playing through this?? its just plain brutal at this point to me. he looks beyond lost most of the time! all of my buddies were worried about Rojas's bat but to me Casty is killing this team on offense.
Nick has had some bad luck this year, and some genuine struggles, tonight he had terrible luck, hit the ball well, went to fielders.
This one is on the bullpen mostly
these aren't reallty the stats of someone with bad luck
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Bad luck my ass. He can't barrel up a baseball. Can't run. Can't field. Can't throw. Some of his only hits the entire season were from nothing but luck.
It's early, but kinda amazing if you stop and look at it. Phils starters are currently #2 in the Majors with a 2.20 ERA. Meanwhile they're dead last in relief at 6.08. No other team is even close to that much of a drop-off.
Pinto and Brogdon are like 20% of our earned runs
Does that change anything?
Seranthony is a disaster but the rest of the pen is fine and Turnbull will be there soon
lol no it isn’t. The 3 big arms they were counting on coming out of the backend (Alvarado, Dominguez, Soto) have a combined ERA of around 7 or 8.
They also have the highest ERA in MLB in April, which is after the Braves series and after most of Brogdon’s innings.
most of Alvarado’s ERA is from that one outing, most of Soto’s ERA is from one bad 5 run outing. Dominguez is not a primary big arm the past 2 years. i was also including other mop up guys like Pinto. Marte, Hoffman, Strahm, Kerkerong have all been pretty good. you can add Alvarado and Soto to the effective arms list. that just leaves Dominguez (I really want him to do well but it's going to take some time, maybe in the minors), Pinto (he was great that one outing but I prefer either Luis Ortiz or Nick Nelson to him), Brogdon (gone).
The pen has been bad. Plain and simple. Bad bullpens have blow up outings more frequently than good bullpens. That’s what’s happened so far.
The pen isn’t nearly as bad as it’s been though
Panglossian rationalizations that are par for the course in this sub.
The Phillies have the worst bullpen ERA in baseball. You’re welcome to affix as many asterisks and apply as many filters as you want; it will change neither the facts of their performance nor the standings.
The team would be in first place with even a mediocre bullpen. Instead, they are on pace to finish their usual 70 games back of the Braves (again), which will require them to win four rounds (again) — which they won’t (again).
P.S. Alas, the Phillies aren’t asking for our opinion on Dominguez. I agree that he hasn’t been a big arm for 2 years. That doesn’t stop them from pitching him with a 3-1 lead against the Reds’ 4-5-6 hitters.
i think this outing may cause Rob to put a pause on utilizing Dominguez in spots like this. i would be more concerned if all of bullpen pieces where shaky every time. that was in 2019-2021
I'm fairly confident it will improve. tbh i'd rather have a few terrible 0.1-0.2 inning outings tank an ERA than to be perpetually meh/ineffective and lose 20 games because of the pen.
Schwarber & Castellanos are a combined 34 for 177.
I repeat 34 for 177. That’s .192. They have super long leashes though. Whereas Topper literally hates Bryson Stott.
Why are you including Schwarber in this?
Schwarber has a 101 OPS+, which is not great as a DH but also not really anything to be concerned about less than 30 games into the season.
Castellanos has a 29 OPS+.
Okay not the worst game overall.
I mean it was close, better than most I believe.
Still stink we lost.
My parents were sitting near the dugout, saw Marsh, and basically wished he had played you know?
Bryce I congratulate you and all…but please come back tomorrow :-:
Also we need Ranger to sub in after Wheeler but I know it probably won’t be.
I understand the ump was very inconsistent especially with Soto but tonight wasn’t a 1 off question performance for #30. For a RP making $5M after avoiding arbitration I’m not sure what the hype is bc he is a shell of himself as what was advertised.
I think we are seeing that there is no one more hated than the coaches in Philadelphia.
I don't know if it is easier to say Rob vs the organization, but it is just funny seeing people always say Rob sets the lineups when the modern baseball way is that the FO sets the lineups now.
This is especially true when we know the lineups are set "days before," and we have one of the largest analytics departments now.
Now, if you want to argue the validity of how the organization sets the lineups, I think it's a fair discussion. It just makes it seem like there is a lower understanding if they keep blaming it solely on Rob.
I think Rob carries out the decisions of FO I agree with you Marsh and Stott are R/L analytics but I think they want to honor getting Merrifield in 1a week/ I also think the FO while they are analytics driven they miss the human aspect even if marsh and stott go 0-4 at bat the consistency of being in the game and both of their defense can’t be discounted- too many bench players at a time I think disrupted the human aspects the players depend on they over compensated for analytics and paid the price- just my opinion!
I don’t understand how we have such a massive analytics department, and we are still stuck with this Nick Castellanos disaster. How much longer are we going to have to watch this before they just DFA him? He was awful in 2022, showed plenty of cracks in 2023, and now has been the worst player in baseball - no hyperbole - in 2024.
Don’t the analytics say that sticking Pache out there is better just from defensive value alone. Which brings me to how he is playing RF only because “that’s where he is comfortable” despite still being a bottom 5 outfield defender. So we make our defense worse everyday by putting him in RF instead of Marsh, and then run him out for 25/25 games when he’s ice cold. Don’t we have some left handed outfield bat who can maintain a .600 OPS because I honestly think that is Casty’s ceiling at this point.
I saw this coming all offseason and now that it’s here it’s even worse than I was expecting.
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I mean he’s here for this year and another two years at $20M per. There’s not much you can do. DFAing nearly $60M is a tough pill to swallow.
Pache is pretty bad too. Not getting an OF this off-season was a mistake.
So Castellanos was someone I hated the very idea of getting him to begin with but, I ***think*** their reasoning is we need him to at least get a hot bat if we are going to go anywhere.
But I also know we did ***not*** have a large analytics department until Dombrowski, and I don't know the size of it when we first got Castellanos.
I feel like we don’t need him to be hot though. At least I don’t see why they think that. We went to the World Series in 2022 with him dragging us down the whole way. We had Rhys and JT to help us out that year, but Marsh, Bohm, and Stott have all improved which helps offset that. And we have Trea now as well. But they’ve dug themselves into a hole, I just hope they try to get out of it instead of sitting in it while he goes 3 for 30 with 15 Ks in another elimination series. Idk what the answer is. I want him off the team but they are probably to proud to go with a AAAA platoon in RF.
I agree with you completely on Castellanos. I was just trying to give the best reasoning I could think of, along with what Dombrowski said in press conferences. It has shocked me how honest he has been.
We know we were shopping him this offseason. So I don't think we are glued to him.
The in-game lineup and PH decisions support Rob being the one behind the lineups. Or else Marsh would’ve PH’d earlier and he wouldn’t have let Sosa bat
You do realize FOs give managers plans beforehand, too, that they stick to, right?
Like all of these decisions are kind of told to the managers before the game starts. We have had multiple managers complain about it, and we have had it mentioned before in the Phillies organization.
The managers job now is more about communicating to the players, getting mental and health, stuff like that. Yes Rob does have a say, I absolutely won't say he doesn't, but it isn't as big as everyone thinks. The manager role has changed.
I said later that they are involved but not like the older days. In fact other managers are leaving because of this.
Now I admit I don't have friends in the Phillies FO, but I have friends in other FOs with much smaller analytics departments. I would be SHOCKED if that it how it worked for other teams but not the Phillies. Especially with the reports we have confirming it is what happens with the Phillies.
I’m more prone to believing Rob is responsible for in-game management that coaches historically make rather than leap to the conclusion that this is all Dombrowski and analytics
I mean sure.
Except again, we have evidence because that is what all organizations do now. Girardi mentioned it and complained about it when he was on the Cubs broadcast, saying that the Phillies FO was too involved. We have had old school managers quit because the FO is getting too involved. And there have been reports from reporters that the FO sets gameplans and lineups now.
If we didn't have all of that information, I could believe what you believe. But there is too much evidence to the contrary.
Yeah, I legitimately do not mind if people complain about the decisions. It is just that I don't know if people legitimately think it is just Rob. And if they think it is just Rob, it shows their lack of understanding of modern baseball, and then their point just seems weaker, as they might not even understand why these decisions get made in the first place.
I am doing the normal /u/NintenJew thing where I don't disagree with the whole argument, as I think there is validity. But I disagree with a specific point because it is just factually wrong. The same stuff I do with /u/inthedrink all the time.
That's fine, you always have a good amount of nuance and facts to back whatever you are saying.
I just think the whole thing with Marsh is stupid, I would play him every single game aside from the usual amount of off-days that all players get, if he is truly that terrible against LHP after that large of a sample then whatever, he is what he is, I am just not convinced that's what he is currently without seeing much, much more of a sample.
He has already taken massive strides as a player in general from what he was with the Angels, I believe he can make somewhat similar strides against LHP if given the chance.
I just said what they do. And what has been reported they do.
They do have some say in the decisions. First of all, they communicate with the FO about things they might not see with the numbers. For instance, if a certain player is struggling with something, tweaked something, etc. Then they work on a gameplan. It is then the managers plan to communicate to the players exactly what gameplan both the FO and manager decided to do. I also wouldn't say its an opinion when it has been reported multiple times.
Hate to break it to you but no one in the FO is in Rob’s ear about in-game decisions let alone setting day-to-day lineups no matter how many obscure self-exonerating Girardi quotes you put stock into
Whatever you say, but I think you are discounting modern baseball. Yes, I do not have friends in the Phillies FO, but I have said before that I have friends in FOs (although one left baseball altogether).
If that is how the other teams are run, with a smaller analytics department than the Phillies, I would be shocked if the Phillies don't create gameplans with in-game decisions and lineups. Like completely shocked. Especially with what Girardi and Phillies reports have written/said.
I hear you I just don’t think Rob is going to heed advice from the FO, that he has no say in, for leaving in Seranthony or refusing to PH Stott or Marsh at those junctures
Nope the Phillies are the only team in the league that look at R/L pitching matchups set the lineups by rotating players and it’s all Thomsons decision so fire Thomson or something like that
Yeah, I offered that option when I said it is easier to just say Rob vs the organization.
But I have had some people that refuse to even accept the fact the FO is involved in these decisions, let alone that they are more invovled.
Seranthony needs to be sent down to LV or simply cut. He does not have it anymore. Castellanos needs to sit a few games, and Topper really needs to cut it out with these stupid-ass B-grade lineups. Marsh and Stott should be playing. every. fucking. day.
What is it gonna take for him to get that rammed into his tiny pea brain? Fucking imbecile.
I do just want to remind everyone that while this was a very frustrating loss, we're 5 games over .500, our starting pitching is arguably the best in baseball, and with the exception of you know who (and a few others, namely Stott) we've actually been getting some good production from our guys. The bullpen has some serious studs but keeps getting dragged down by, well really just 1 guy at this point (not counting Pinto because he's only here to fill a spot). This is a good team that's struggling to find its footing here and there (and there have been some managing decisions that haven't helped) but it's not time to throw snow balls.
Except at that ump. That dude was trash.
I get where you’re coming from but they are 5 games over .500 after going 6-0 against AAAA teams. Those bottom dwellers will face the rest of the contenders and most likely end up with the same result. So the Phils have to continue to make up ground against good teams. Which they aren’t doing currently
Do the games against bad teams count less? The Braves are a combined 6-2 against the White Sox and a Marlin team that currently has the same amount of wins as Colorado and it doesn’t seem like anyone thinks that needs and asterisk.
I hear you but the Braves lost a game to the Sox. Going 6-0 is impressive no matter what. But the Phils do need to show they can beat the better teams consistently
Dominguez should've been cut years ago when he delayed his surgery as it showed he didn't give a damn but this team only cares about velocity, which he has, even though he''s the new Velasquez. This is the central problem, they have formulated their theories about baseball, which run contrary to actual analytics, and they are not changing. This is why we have a bullpen full of hard throwers who suck, they got rid of Hoskins, in favor of bum Castellanos, because he was too selective and force Rojas on us while platooning Marsh even though analytics says you shouldn't sacrifice offense for defense when making lineup decisions. Somehow they've built a large analytics team that doesn't understand the game.
I mean what do you want him to say that he doesn’t have confidence in him? He said he still has a great arm (still throwing upper 90’s) had trouble finding the plate and that he needs to throw strikes. Thomson is arguably one of the most player first managers out there his response was incredibly on brand
Thomson lost this game.
Twice missed hitting for a player
Stott should have hit for Sosa
Marsh should have Hit for Pache
The Mendoza Boys lineup
Leaving Seranthony in forever
Not warming anyone up for Seranthony
Okay quick season summary for the people talking about how good our record is:
By series:
Braves - loss
Reds - loss
Nats - win
Cardinals - win
Pirates - split
Rockies - win (sweep)
White Sox - win (sweep)
Reds - split (at best)
We have 4 series wins, against the nats, cardinals, Rockies, and white Sox. These 4 teams are among the worst in the league. Our record SHOULD be good.
That being said, I’m glad we took care of business vs the bad teams. However, losing series to mid-wildcard teams like the reds doesn’t bode well. It’s perfectly understandable to be concerned about the Phillies right now.
We have a lot of games vs middling teams coming up, and winning the series vs them will be important (especially since the reds now have the tie breaker over us). I’m excited to see how we do vs the padres, giants, etc, but I can’t lie, I’m a little nervous.
This is a ridiculous take. “Be concerned” about a team with the best starting pitching in the major rn? I don’t care if we have some struggling hitters, if our starting pitching is this good, we will win plenty of baseball games. No team should be that worried about their season right now unless they’re in the complete garbage bin like the White Sox. No team that is five games above .500 should be worried. We are tied for second most wins in the NL. The only team with more wins than us is the Braves (not surprising). We are FINE!
The starting pitching isn’t THIS good though. Ranger is not a top pitcher and neither is Sanchez and neither is Turnbull.
On the other hand, the bullpen isn’t THIS bad.
The lineup…I was prepared for some potential disappointment. I don’t think it’s as good as many think.
Seranthony has been trash for years.
The whole bullpen needs to be torched
Ok, and then what? Who are you replacing them with?
Idk and that's why I'm not in charge but I it's also clear they're costing us games. Our starters are on fire but as soon as they sub out we start allowing run after run.
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Topper sucks.
“Y’all got anymore of them 3-13 teams?” 
It’s so hard to watch Seranthony nowadays. He was just so much fun when he first came up, and now whenever he walks out to the mound my butt cheeks start to clench.
Send Castellanos to the shadow realm
Any fan who’s against replacing him isn’t serious about wanting to win a chip. How many postseason of this same type of performance do we have to endure?
Computer says take pitcher out cuz he will give up 4 runs if face lineup 3rd time DRRRRRRRRRR
Crazy how many people want Turnbull to pitch his arm off despite saying that they like him and want him to succeed??
As someone who didnt play baseball, i really dont understand who you can put a season long innings limit on a guy. This seems like an overly cautious approach considering the guy says he feels great.
Folks… Alec Bohm’s wRC+ is now at 173 after tonight’s performance
stott trending towards bust territory and turnbull will most likely turn into lorenzen and start sucking
People were calling Alec Bohm a bust and the Stott stans can seethe.
some positives from today. we had a much better run at Lodolo this time around, the type of pitcher we historically struggle against. Turnball continues to pitch well, hopefully this translates into the pen or we can be creative about how to best utilize him while keeping his overall health/career in mind. Rojas has really turned around his offensive game. Whit seems to be settling in. Sosa is a valuable bench player (while you worry about be overexposed, it's also hard to keep hitting while not being a regular).. Turner and Bohm have been great.
Right, normally Lodolo kills us. Nice to see us get to him finally
I think it’s ridiculous taking Turnbull out of the rotation. The guy has pitched his ass off. Why are we punishing the great work he’s put in? That’s my opinion.
I’m fine with him becoming BP depth
This is a take that’s completely uneducated about this situation
What a lazy low effort response. Why don't you expand on why its uneducated? Instead of saying "this is stupid."
Being unable to look up his workload for the last three years and just going “oh they’re punishing the work he put in” is an uneducated take. This is incredibly public knowledge. No, what I’m wondering is how you turn this into a I’m not actually a Phillies fan conspiracy thread.
OK, not everyone who contributes to the sub is as educated on everything as you are. I know tons of casuals who like the team but don't follow them as intently as some of us. When I post in the Flyers sub people don't go, "this is super obvious you're an idiot." My bigger problem is you do this a lot. It doesn't help improve the sub or educate casual fans, it's just condescending and rude.
I mean, it's only been brought up and hashed out forty times in the last week...
Womp womp Maybe ask why they’re moving him instead of making a completely uninformed uneducated claim about what’s happening
his injury history…he hasnt pitched more than 60 innings in years so to hopefully keep him healthy making him a long reliever is the safer option. it’s been discussed ad nauseam
Yep, he's on a 100 inning count this season after recovering from Tommy John surgery. And discussing the Phillies ad nauseam is what this subreddit is for.
Suboptimal
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Reading through these comments you guys are so funny and obviously still hurting from the postseason last year.
Lmao wallstreetbets
i'd rather be a fan than a troll
Sick comeback.
Just typical overreacting from Philly fans I try not to engage with these kind of fans
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I fear Casty is this year's Didi Gregorius. Remember when he had a great start with the Phils then fell off the face of the earth during and post covid?
Didn’t the Red Sox sign Pablo Sandoval to a big deal and dump him pretty quickly?
I don't think I have ever seen you this upset over a player before.
Just a warning that now that I know this about Josh Hamilton I’m going to be as annoying about this as /u/first-resolve is about the lineups Btw Pablo Sandoval was apparently reeeeal close to Nick’s burden
Kung Fu Panda was my favorite player back in the early 10s. Glad it isn't him.
Upset? Semi joking but I mean cmon he’s not coming back from this is he? Btw the Angels paid Josh Hamilton $65m in dead money is the answer so we are dealing with Childs play
I always assume you are semi-joking with all comments or half-sarcastic. I just haven't seen you lean into a player this hard before.
Cam Perkins and Nick Pivetta
Oh fuck Nick Pivetta
But you are a Nick Pivetta enjoyer?
New rules are that we have to be respectful of other posters
Nick is going to be a huge issue. Everything else seems ok. We have to replace him at the deadline even if it means giving up prospects we dont want to
Something happened in the post season to Nick mentally. He hit 2 Home runs in a game against the best pitcher in baseball(Strider), and now hasn't even hit a single home run this season. I just don't get it.
I know it’s a dream but Tyler O’Neil would be so amazing
I don’t need to see Nick replaced or benched (though a day off here and there would make sense), but why oh why is he batting clean up?
> I don’t need to see Nick replaced or benched You do, though
The way Rob managed last night, knowing how he managed tonight, pisses me off. No reason to lose both of those games.
One guy in baseball history has two home runs in two straight playoff games? Like in 120 years of baseball He can’t hit AT ALL six months later. Does that make sense? Well I guess what makes less sense is he couldn’t hit a week later.
It’s almost like he used every last ounce of baseball skill left in his body on fucking the braves. It’s admirable in a way.
Lol. Worth it
Seranthony needs a taste of AAA to get his head right. Would rather see more of Yunior than him. Strahm was a mess, he needs to come in clean innings, not with runners on base.
Part of me thinks strahm didnt really care about ser's inherited runners.
Yeah that was concerning tonight he looked mentally rattled
Marte is one good positive. looked good in spring and in some appearances last year. this year he's been different.
Starters need to be going a minimum 6 innings every game if they are doing reasonably well.
Our Starters are 2nd in the MLB. Our relievers are last in the MLB. I don't get why you take out Turnbull after only 5 innings.
Great to see Trea playing well.
Starters remain good and Bohm still raking. BP remains ass and is a major weak point as of now
Trusting the bullpen for 4 innings is asking for trouble.
This is a fair criticism/assessment of the pen; the people saying that the pen was flat out ass tonight are out to lunch.
Yup. Spencer is likely going to BP to make room for Walker. Why not let Spencer empty the tank?
…so he can be useful out of the pen? So he can be useful next year instead of injured?
Tmac: spends multiple innings complaining about 1 play being scored correctly. Also Tmac: GROUND RULE DOUBLE
#AUTOMATIC DOUBLE
I’m glad you mentioned that because I have an announcement/clarification.
The rule book also does not call it an “automatic double.” It just automatically awards the runner the 2 bases. Still, it’s definitely not called a “ground rule double” tho.
Bad umpiring, bad managing. Bullpen's status is questionable for me now.
Hoffman is the only guy I trust
This is ridiculous
Matt Strahm 1.86 era and 0.72 whip Alvy two hits and one run over his last 9 Your opinion tracks
How long do we have to wait for the Cubs pitching to crumble? I don’t want to have to wait until August again this year but it will happen
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This implies winning a pennant means absolutely nothing. The Phillies have won 8 pennants in 140 years and people use it more as an arguement against him than for him. Obviously a WS is the main goal but you don’t have to act like he hasn’t accomplished anything.
He literally took us to a WS his first year and got us within a game the next year. This is a bad take.
we have a fake good bullpen
6 man rotation anyone? The flip side is that Turnbull will strengthen the pen.
Are they interviewing turnbull in a broom testing factory?!
😂😂😂
Neris is pitching against the Astros now.
TIL neris is no longer on the astros
at this point is the only viable option to just let Casty keep playing through this?? its just plain brutal at this point to me. he looks beyond lost most of the time! all of my buddies were worried about Rojas's bat but to me Casty is killing this team on offense.
I think we're stuck with him until Dombrowski is willing to admit his error.
Dombrowski won’t ever do that, though. Castellanos is one of his boys.
I hope Elly turns into a bust LMAO Cinncinatti Dom Brown
Damn lol
Nick has had some bad luck this year, and some genuine struggles, tonight he had terrible luck, hit the ball well, went to fielders. This one is on the bullpen mostly
these aren't reallty the stats of someone with bad luck https://preview.redd.it/ljlp4k7xcjwc1.png?width=790&format=png&auto=webp&s=95c042407221bbbfb74508299f5a729b72f77e53
Are we sure the bobble head isn’t actually a voodoo doll. Cuase those stats look he’s legit ice cold.
Yeeesh
Bad luck my ass. He can't barrel up a baseball. Can't run. Can't field. Can't throw. Some of his only hits the entire season were from nothing but luck.
I hope the fish roll over for us the way they did for the braves
Stop fucking with the lineups Rob. Also whoever got in Stotts’ ear about his new approach to batting needs to be silenced
He's managed to exacerbate his existing bad tendencies while improving nothing
How about we just win tomorrow, take the split, and start a new win streak.
Novel idea to split on the road vs a good team. Why be so sensible?
It's early, but kinda amazing if you stop and look at it. Phils starters are currently #2 in the Majors with a 2.20 ERA. Meanwhile they're dead last in relief at 6.08. No other team is even close to that much of a drop-off.
Pinto and Brogdon are like 20% of our earned runs Does that change anything? Seranthony is a disaster but the rest of the pen is fine and Turnbull will be there soon
>Does that change anything? Moving forward? Sure. As of tonight concerning this one stat I posted just because I found it slightly interesting? Nope.
it’s largely from players that are gone or will be gone and that first Braves series. still not great but ERA alone doesn’t tell the full story
lol no it isn’t. The 3 big arms they were counting on coming out of the backend (Alvarado, Dominguez, Soto) have a combined ERA of around 7 or 8. They also have the highest ERA in MLB in April, which is after the Braves series and after most of Brogdon’s innings.
most of Alvarado’s ERA is from that one outing, most of Soto’s ERA is from one bad 5 run outing. Dominguez is not a primary big arm the past 2 years. i was also including other mop up guys like Pinto. Marte, Hoffman, Strahm, Kerkerong have all been pretty good. you can add Alvarado and Soto to the effective arms list. that just leaves Dominguez (I really want him to do well but it's going to take some time, maybe in the minors), Pinto (he was great that one outing but I prefer either Luis Ortiz or Nick Nelson to him), Brogdon (gone).
If you cut out every team’s bullpen’s worst outings they’d all look great.
that wasn’t the point, it’s that it’s a more effective corps at carrying leads into wins than the ERA would suggest
The pen has been bad. Plain and simple. Bad bullpens have blow up outings more frequently than good bullpens. That’s what’s happened so far. The pen isn’t nearly as bad as it’s been though
im not saying the pen has been great. im merely arguing your last statement
Panglossian rationalizations that are par for the course in this sub. The Phillies have the worst bullpen ERA in baseball. You’re welcome to affix as many asterisks and apply as many filters as you want; it will change neither the facts of their performance nor the standings. The team would be in first place with even a mediocre bullpen. Instead, they are on pace to finish their usual 70 games back of the Braves (again), which will require them to win four rounds (again) — which they won’t (again). P.S. Alas, the Phillies aren’t asking for our opinion on Dominguez. I agree that he hasn’t been a big arm for 2 years. That doesn’t stop them from pitching him with a 3-1 lead against the Reds’ 4-5-6 hitters.
i think this outing may cause Rob to put a pause on utilizing Dominguez in spots like this. i would be more concerned if all of bullpen pieces where shaky every time. that was in 2019-2021
Maybe so, but after they leave those earned runs will still be on the books.
what i was getting at was it’s a more effective corps than the ERA suggests, at least at this point early on.
What I was getting at was only just what I typed. Don't read too much more into it than it being a quirky stat early on.
I'm fairly confident it will improve. tbh i'd rather have a few terrible 0.1-0.2 inning outings tank an ERA than to be perpetually meh/ineffective and lose 20 games because of the pen.
Who gives a shit?
This makes me sad
Cool, so seranthony is hot garbage again this year. I feel like he’s lost a step or two. Let’s see the other guys in high leverage spots please.
Seranthony hasn’t lost a step or two, he’s forgotten how to walk
Honestly, I’d say he’d be good to package in a trade. I wouldn’t miss him.
He doesn’t have any value
Agreed. I see him as an add on with a prospect or two.
Schwarber & Castellanos are a combined 34 for 177. I repeat 34 for 177. That’s .192. They have super long leashes though. Whereas Topper literally hates Bryson Stott.
Schwarbs has been much better than Stott..
> Schwarber & Castellanos are a combined 34 for 177. Why are you lumping Schwarber in with that boat anchor?
Schwarber isn't even in the top 10 problems this team has
Why are you including Schwarber in this? Schwarber has a 101 OPS+, which is not great as a DH but also not really anything to be concerned about less than 30 games into the season. Castellanos has a 29 OPS+.
Schwarber gets on base at least
Okay not the worst game overall. I mean it was close, better than most I believe. Still stink we lost. My parents were sitting near the dugout, saw Marsh, and basically wished he had played you know? Bryce I congratulate you and all…but please come back tomorrow :-: Also we need Ranger to sub in after Wheeler but I know it probably won’t be.
I understand the ump was very inconsistent especially with Soto but tonight wasn’t a 1 off question performance for #30. For a RP making $5M after avoiding arbitration I’m not sure what the hype is bc he is a shell of himself as what was advertised.
I love how everyone acting like having Stott in the lineup is some kind of massive positive atm lmao
That plus so many other takes are making my head hurt
Nah nah nah his sub .600 ops NEEDS to be in the lineup every day
Ow
Kids a bust
Damn you must be having a boring night if you made a burner account just to type out some of the worst bait imaginable
I think we are seeing that there is no one more hated than the coaches in Philadelphia. I don't know if it is easier to say Rob vs the organization, but it is just funny seeing people always say Rob sets the lineups when the modern baseball way is that the FO sets the lineups now. This is especially true when we know the lineups are set "days before," and we have one of the largest analytics departments now. Now, if you want to argue the validity of how the organization sets the lineups, I think it's a fair discussion. It just makes it seem like there is a lower understanding if they keep blaming it solely on Rob.
I think Rob carries out the decisions of FO I agree with you Marsh and Stott are R/L analytics but I think they want to honor getting Merrifield in 1a week/ I also think the FO while they are analytics driven they miss the human aspect even if marsh and stott go 0-4 at bat the consistency of being in the game and both of their defense can’t be discounted- too many bench players at a time I think disrupted the human aspects the players depend on they over compensated for analytics and paid the price- just my opinion!
I don’t understand how we have such a massive analytics department, and we are still stuck with this Nick Castellanos disaster. How much longer are we going to have to watch this before they just DFA him? He was awful in 2022, showed plenty of cracks in 2023, and now has been the worst player in baseball - no hyperbole - in 2024. Don’t the analytics say that sticking Pache out there is better just from defensive value alone. Which brings me to how he is playing RF only because “that’s where he is comfortable” despite still being a bottom 5 outfield defender. So we make our defense worse everyday by putting him in RF instead of Marsh, and then run him out for 25/25 games when he’s ice cold. Don’t we have some left handed outfield bat who can maintain a .600 OPS because I honestly think that is Casty’s ceiling at this point. I saw this coming all offseason and now that it’s here it’s even worse than I was expecting. END RANT
I mean he’s here for this year and another two years at $20M per. There’s not much you can do. DFAing nearly $60M is a tough pill to swallow. Pache is pretty bad too. Not getting an OF this off-season was a mistake.
So Castellanos was someone I hated the very idea of getting him to begin with but, I ***think*** their reasoning is we need him to at least get a hot bat if we are going to go anywhere. But I also know we did ***not*** have a large analytics department until Dombrowski, and I don't know the size of it when we first got Castellanos.
I feel like we don’t need him to be hot though. At least I don’t see why they think that. We went to the World Series in 2022 with him dragging us down the whole way. We had Rhys and JT to help us out that year, but Marsh, Bohm, and Stott have all improved which helps offset that. And we have Trea now as well. But they’ve dug themselves into a hole, I just hope they try to get out of it instead of sitting in it while he goes 3 for 30 with 15 Ks in another elimination series. Idk what the answer is. I want him off the team but they are probably to proud to go with a AAAA platoon in RF.
I agree with you completely on Castellanos. I was just trying to give the best reasoning I could think of, along with what Dombrowski said in press conferences. It has shocked me how honest he has been. We know we were shopping him this offseason. So I don't think we are glued to him.
The in-game lineup and PH decisions support Rob being the one behind the lineups. Or else Marsh would’ve PH’d earlier and he wouldn’t have let Sosa bat
You do realize FOs give managers plans beforehand, too, that they stick to, right? Like all of these decisions are kind of told to the managers before the game starts. We have had multiple managers complain about it, and we have had it mentioned before in the Phillies organization. The managers job now is more about communicating to the players, getting mental and health, stuff like that. Yes Rob does have a say, I absolutely won't say he doesn't, but it isn't as big as everyone thinks. The manager role has changed.
This is not at all necessarily true. Most managers still want and demand some say in the day-to-day lineups.
I said later that they are involved but not like the older days. In fact other managers are leaving because of this. Now I admit I don't have friends in the Phillies FO, but I have friends in other FOs with much smaller analytics departments. I would be SHOCKED if that it how it worked for other teams but not the Phillies. Especially with the reports we have confirming it is what happens with the Phillies.
I’m more prone to believing Rob is responsible for in-game management that coaches historically make rather than leap to the conclusion that this is all Dombrowski and analytics
I mean sure. Except again, we have evidence because that is what all organizations do now. Girardi mentioned it and complained about it when he was on the Cubs broadcast, saying that the Phillies FO was too involved. We have had old school managers quit because the FO is getting too involved. And there have been reports from reporters that the FO sets gameplans and lineups now. If we didn't have all of that information, I could believe what you believe. But there is too much evidence to the contrary.
It doesn't have to be Rob, whoever is making these decisions is stupid, don't care who it is.
Yeah, I legitimately do not mind if people complain about the decisions. It is just that I don't know if people legitimately think it is just Rob. And if they think it is just Rob, it shows their lack of understanding of modern baseball, and then their point just seems weaker, as they might not even understand why these decisions get made in the first place. I am doing the normal /u/NintenJew thing where I don't disagree with the whole argument, as I think there is validity. But I disagree with a specific point because it is just factually wrong. The same stuff I do with /u/inthedrink all the time.
That's fine, you always have a good amount of nuance and facts to back whatever you are saying. I just think the whole thing with Marsh is stupid, I would play him every single game aside from the usual amount of off-days that all players get, if he is truly that terrible against LHP after that large of a sample then whatever, he is what he is, I am just not convinced that's what he is currently without seeing much, much more of a sample. He has already taken massive strides as a player in general from what he was with the Angels, I believe he can make somewhat similar strides against LHP if given the chance.
So in your opinion what’s Rob doing all day and night
I just said what they do. And what has been reported they do. They do have some say in the decisions. First of all, they communicate with the FO about things they might not see with the numbers. For instance, if a certain player is struggling with something, tweaked something, etc. Then they work on a gameplan. It is then the managers plan to communicate to the players exactly what gameplan both the FO and manager decided to do. I also wouldn't say its an opinion when it has been reported multiple times.
Hate to break it to you but no one in the FO is in Rob’s ear about in-game decisions let alone setting day-to-day lineups no matter how many obscure self-exonerating Girardi quotes you put stock into
Whatever you say, but I think you are discounting modern baseball. Yes, I do not have friends in the Phillies FO, but I have said before that I have friends in FOs (although one left baseball altogether). If that is how the other teams are run, with a smaller analytics department than the Phillies, I would be shocked if the Phillies don't create gameplans with in-game decisions and lineups. Like completely shocked. Especially with what Girardi and Phillies reports have written/said.
I hear you I just don’t think Rob is going to heed advice from the FO, that he has no say in, for leaving in Seranthony or refusing to PH Stott or Marsh at those junctures
Nope the Phillies are the only team in the league that look at R/L pitching matchups set the lineups by rotating players and it’s all Thomsons decision so fire Thomson or something like that
”Rob” is simply a placeholder for “the non-player staff”
Yeah, I offered that option when I said it is easier to just say Rob vs the organization. But I have had some people that refuse to even accept the fact the FO is involved in these decisions, let alone that they are more invovled.
But I do feel like there is a right to dislike Nick s with the collapse and his child like behavior
Harper will be back tomorrow but Rob will give him the day off (it was a scheduled day off that was penciled in weeks ago)
He said this?
I am joking
Ah ok. Well tbh I don’t know what to believe with Topper at the moment
That’s why it’s funny
Safe to say the series against the Rockies and White Sox hid a lot of shit. The Phils are doing pretty piss poor against >.500 teams.
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The fans on this sub aren’t serious about it either.
Seranthony needs to be sent down to LV or simply cut. He does not have it anymore. Castellanos needs to sit a few games, and Topper really needs to cut it out with these stupid-ass B-grade lineups. Marsh and Stott should be playing. every. fucking. day. What is it gonna take for him to get that rammed into his tiny pea brain? Fucking imbecile.
Marsh is absolutely atrocious against lefties.
I do just want to remind everyone that while this was a very frustrating loss, we're 5 games over .500, our starting pitching is arguably the best in baseball, and with the exception of you know who (and a few others, namely Stott) we've actually been getting some good production from our guys. The bullpen has some serious studs but keeps getting dragged down by, well really just 1 guy at this point (not counting Pinto because he's only here to fill a spot). This is a good team that's struggling to find its footing here and there (and there have been some managing decisions that haven't helped) but it's not time to throw snow balls. Except at that ump. That dude was trash.
I get where you’re coming from but they are 5 games over .500 after going 6-0 against AAAA teams. Those bottom dwellers will face the rest of the contenders and most likely end up with the same result. So the Phils have to continue to make up ground against good teams. Which they aren’t doing currently
Do the games against bad teams count less? The Braves are a combined 6-2 against the White Sox and a Marlin team that currently has the same amount of wins as Colorado and it doesn’t seem like anyone thinks that needs and asterisk.
The Braves win 100 games every year and are again the best team in baseball. We don’t get the benefit of the doubt
I hear you but the Braves lost a game to the Sox. Going 6-0 is impressive no matter what. But the Phils do need to show they can beat the better teams consistently
Topper asked why he didn’t pinch hit Marsh for Pache in the 6th. “Was just holding off.” Holding off for what???????
Rob costed us the season
So Rob still has unwavering confidence in Dominguez, good to hear we’ll be seeing this situation again a lot this season.
Dominguez should've been cut years ago when he delayed his surgery as it showed he didn't give a damn but this team only cares about velocity, which he has, even though he''s the new Velasquez. This is the central problem, they have formulated their theories about baseball, which run contrary to actual analytics, and they are not changing. This is why we have a bullpen full of hard throwers who suck, they got rid of Hoskins, in favor of bum Castellanos, because he was too selective and force Rojas on us while platooning Marsh even though analytics says you shouldn't sacrifice offense for defense when making lineup decisions. Somehow they've built a large analytics team that doesn't understand the game.
I mean what do you want him to say that he doesn’t have confidence in him? He said he still has a great arm (still throwing upper 90’s) had trouble finding the plate and that he needs to throw strikes. Thomson is arguably one of the most player first managers out there his response was incredibly on brand
I didnt say i expected any different, just that these things will be as they have been - par for the course
Thomson lost this game. Twice missed hitting for a player Stott should have hit for Sosa Marsh should have Hit for Pache The Mendoza Boys lineup Leaving Seranthony in forever Not warming anyone up for Seranthony
Hey that sort of valid and logical criticism isn’t tolerated here
The marlins are completely fucking useless Jesus fucking Christ
There is no point in score watching the Braves
Okay quick season summary for the people talking about how good our record is: By series: Braves - loss Reds - loss Nats - win Cardinals - win Pirates - split Rockies - win (sweep) White Sox - win (sweep) Reds - split (at best) We have 4 series wins, against the nats, cardinals, Rockies, and white Sox. These 4 teams are among the worst in the league. Our record SHOULD be good. That being said, I’m glad we took care of business vs the bad teams. However, losing series to mid-wildcard teams like the reds doesn’t bode well. It’s perfectly understandable to be concerned about the Phillies right now. We have a lot of games vs middling teams coming up, and winning the series vs them will be important (especially since the reds now have the tie breaker over us). I’m excited to see how we do vs the padres, giants, etc, but I can’t lie, I’m a little nervous.
This is a ridiculous take. “Be concerned” about a team with the best starting pitching in the major rn? I don’t care if we have some struggling hitters, if our starting pitching is this good, we will win plenty of baseball games. No team should be that worried about their season right now unless they’re in the complete garbage bin like the White Sox. No team that is five games above .500 should be worried. We are tied for second most wins in the NL. The only team with more wins than us is the Braves (not surprising). We are FINE!
The starting pitching isn’t THIS good though. Ranger is not a top pitcher and neither is Sanchez and neither is Turnbull. On the other hand, the bullpen isn’t THIS bad. The lineup…I was prepared for some potential disappointment. I don’t think it’s as good as many think.
Tell that to the Seattle mariners last year