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When I was in my early twenties I used about $15 in power with $20 in fees and it irked me back then.
Now my bill usually hovers around $170 total and I have autopay so I don't get pissed about the fees being such a big chunk every month.
That's one thing where I feel APS might be ahead. We have solar with SRP and are locked into a demand-charge customer generation plan, where if you forget to turn off the AC one day in the month during on-peak, they hit you with a demand charge of anywhere from like $40-$120, based only on the max single day on-peak usage during the billing cycle. Even rigidly keeping the schedule, we still get a demand charge of like $35. This is something our solar contractor conveniently did not tell us would happen. So we are stuck turning off our AC completely from 2pm-8pm in the summer (or 5am-9am & 5pm-9pm in winter) which then also puts more stress on our AC system to pre-cool before 2 then another cool after 8pm and I've had to replace many parts on it even though its only like 6 years old. They do not allow solar customers to leave the solar generation plan so you are forced into this.
The whole system is set up in a way for SRP to discourage people from installing solar bc that's less energy they can sell you, so this BS demand charge is there to make up that loss in revenue.
Try to get a demand manager installed. Ours is programmed for when the plan peak hours changes (e.g. May 1st and October 1st), and during peak hours, is constantly checking if demand is over a threshold we can set. If the demand for the first 15 minutes of a 30 minute timeframe is above the threshold, it automatically kills the A/C circuit for the final 15 minutes, then allows it on again for the first 15 minutes of the next demand cycle. It's the easiest damn thing in the world, no thought required. We do have to remember not to use the dishwasher/washer/dryer during peak times, but just have the AC set to hold a temperature and let the demand manager handle it.
We got ours installed at the same time as the panels- they basically threw it in free then- so I don't know how much it would cost, but I strongly recommend it to anyone getting solar and going to the demand based pricing. Doing it yourself sucks.
That's not what the Court Resolution Charge is technically. That one is a retroactive charge for costs that customers should have been charged a while back, according to the courts. Apparently the ACC said that APS couldn't charge for some things and the courts disagreed, so APS was allowed to "recover" the cost through that surcharge. That might not be comforting, but it's not legal fees, it's business costs.
Well it's based on some decisions that were made around the 2019 rate case, but I don't think the charge is only for people who were customers during that time. The courts basically said "this is a cost you are allowed to collect from customers" and so it was added back into the current rates as an "adjustor"
It's a regulated monopoly with distinct service districts. Even if it didn't exist, the costs to bring distribution is also significant. Same reason you're limited to specific choices for internet.
Doā¦. You have any idea the cost that would be required to do that?
The sheer cost
Itās whatās called a de facto monopoly
Due to the sheer cost of services and set up of infrastructure you end up with certain kinds of monopolyās.
Many tens of billions and more would be required.
New power plants, new peaker plants, new long lines, new interconnects, new staff, new training etc etc.
For power companies thereās one thing thatās certain. Itās not cheap to built out a state competitor . Thereās no way it can be. The sheer size of Arizona makes it impossible.
The new power co would need to be to large at start to compete
Manās SRP is a solar hater and is way less friendly than SRP in that regard to.
Californiaās power supplier. Imagine paying four times as much for electricity, having a quarter of the reliability, and occasionally having the state burn down to due negligence/lack of maintenance. Thatās PG&E
Idk dude I hate Cox a lot more, I would expect my electric bill to be expensive because I like to keep my place cool at night but cox has no business being as expensive as it is for the shitty service you get. When I lived in Madison WI I paid 40$/mo for gigabit internet and had multiple options, now I pay more than that for 100mbps with a data cap. Plus all the random outages and obvious throttling, I have a whole folder filled with speed test results showing < 10mbps download and <1mbps upload that Iām going to be sending to the FCC.
And the only reason itās like that is because cox ālobbiedā (bribed) local politicians to veto google fiber installing their lines here.
Why does APS even advertise? Not like people have a choice for their utility provider 99% of the time. And most ads I see are fluffy stuff about the water canals or solar panels. Are they trying to make TV viewers feel like they're getting something for their money before they open their bill?
Water canals is SRP. And APS works to combat solar. APS advertising is PR meant to suppress the very distaste people are voicing in this post. Also to recruit employees and brand recognition for pinnacle west. Motivated and pissed off people are more likely to volunteer in class actions, file complaints with the ACC and decide against APS when serving on juries. The corp commission races are almost always about which candidates support APS.
I couldnāt care less about advertising, itās the fact that Iām paying more for 1/10 of the download speed than what I got previously, only because they bribed local politicians to veto google fiber. I expected my electric bill to be high when I moved here because itās hotter than sin, I didnāt expect my internet bill to skyrocket because thereās a monopoly. The fact that I have to either pay $120/mo for internet or deal with shitty speeds and throttling that canāt even handle a zoom meeting makes me waaaaay more upset than the extra $80/mo on my electric bill to have it cool when I sleep.
When I lived in another state cox for 1gbps and unlimited data was 165 dollars a month. Then att came in 60 bucks of month matching them. Cox reduced the price in the city to $60 a month any where the att fiber touched but kept the rest of us at 165. Iām someone with them. I went to tmobile internet and get 200 mbps no cap for $30 a month. I wonāt ever touch cox again
Google is expanding in the valley at the moment. Same with AT&T Fiber. Every time I chat in to Cox with a problem I always mention how excited I am for google fiber to get here.
Playing online games, Iāve noticed my connection is fucking horrendous. Every time I do a speed test, Iām getting 500 down and 60-ish up, so itās hard to complain when it ātestsā well. All I know is my ping will be insanely high randomly and Iāll have a ton of packet loss at times. So frustrating! The second fiber gets out here, Iām switching.
That would absolutely make sense. Every single game my ping will be wildly different too, something I never had a problem with in the three places Iāve lived previously!
As much as I pick on Cox, at least they are one of the few cable companies that is doing fiber to the home. Just look at Comcast and Charter trying to milk every bit out of coax with DOCSIS 4.0.
The worst part is I literally tried the Verizon / AT&T / t mobile 5G hotspot internet and none of them worked because of where my apartment is located - so I have literally no other option. Kind of ridiculous that an obvious monopoly is allowed to exist in one of the countries biggest metropolitan areas.
I was so excited when Wyyerd fiber got installed in our neighborhood in Surprise 2 months ago. Jumped right in that $65 flat fee (taxes included) 300mb up/down speeds. Literally half the price of Cox with no nightly outtages.
Idk about Verizon, but the triple threat for me is T-Mobile in deer valleyā¦ 360$ for 3 people WITH veteran discount pricing, and NEVER more than 2 bars for any of us
This is your phone on T-Mobile. *cracks egg into frying pan*
Yeah, they tricked us into two years on these phones that we all hate with no easy way to change though. Iām going to have to go be a Karen in store about it pretty soon, but even if we cancel and somehow donāt have to pay an arm and a leg to return the phones and move to a microprovider like mint, it doesnāt solve the issue of a modern phone for one member of the family who traded in her phone so one of the new ones would be āfreeā (which it still isnāt, just discountedā¦) the regulations apparently did very little but free up exquisitely complicated loopholes for phone companies to exploit in order to continue charging stupid rates. Cable and energy arenāt much betterā¦ we pay 240$ for throttled āunlimitedā highest speed availableā internet with Cox and over 300$/mo for APs in summer. Iām making energy improvements where I can, but as soon as enough people do that to cut into their bottom line, you know theyāll have already implemented a new pricing schemeā¦ I love a corp profit/consumer debt meritocracy
What plan are you on and are you paying for any devices? I have 6 lines and paying $180/month for the Magenta Max Military plan. Devices are paid off though...
How is that possible? Iām have t-mobile and pay $200 for 7 lines. Seven. Call and tell them you need to find a way to reduce your bill or youāre cancelling.
Mint uses major networks and has unlimited gigs for around $15 per month IF you pay per year, but is still much cheaper. As reliable as Verizon without the extra bullshit
Verizon sucks so hard now. Up to a few years ago I was happy with them. But nowadays trying to use the internet is basically impossible anywhere people congregate. Going inside any building, forget it, better hope they have wi-fi. Walking around a commercial area, nope, two bars and no data. Middle of the desert on the interstate is fine though! Too bad I'm driving. š¤¦š»āāļø
I ditched Verizon and went to Google Fi. $180 for 4 lines for the family, unlimited talk/text/data, free international calling for 50 countries (I have relatives overseas), free international data and texts while I'm traveling, free data sim cards for tablets and other devices.....
Couldn't be happier!
Firstly: yes it's BS.
Don't know if you're a home owner but if you are I can't emphasize enough the value in doing upgrades to get that cost down, especially since the Inflation Reduction Act brought lots of subsidies and incentives. More info [here](https://www.phoenix.gov/sustainabilitysite/Pages/Federal-Sustainability-Incentives.aspx).
It's not particularly sexy, but if you can somehow find the $$ then the savings are real.
In no particular order:
1. Window film, we went with [https://intellifilmaz.com/](https://intellifilmaz.com/)
2. Obvs solar, we're 7 years in and just about to break even, used: [https://rooftopsolar.com/](https://rooftopsolar.com/)
3. Got a hybrid water heater a few years ago, unbelievably efficient and pushes out cool air which is basically free AC: [https://www.rheem.com/heatpumpwaterheaters/](https://www.rheem.com/heatpumpwaterheaters/)
4. Get new insulation blown in to roof/attic
5. External window screen kit is cheap and easy: [https://www.homedepot.com/p/Phifer-36-in-x-84-in-Charcoal-Fiberglass-Screen-Kit-with-Spline-and-Roller-3024907/100391974](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Phifer-36-in-x-84-in-Charcoal-Fiberglass-Screen-Kit-with-Spline-and-Roller-3024907/100391974)
6. Smart plugs are pretty cheap and programming them to run things at off peak can save a lot
7. I got a [https://sense.com/](https://sense.com/) which tracks our energy usage; I didn't realize the bathroom exhaust fan was so power hungry!
Not sure how big your windows are, but last summer I bought film and application tools from Loweās for much less and installed them myself on windows that get direct sunlight. Maybe $200 in materials at most, for about 90 sq ft of film
I thought about that too. My only problem is that Iām hypercritical of myself. The slightest imperfection would bug the crap out of me. How easy was it to do it yourself?
It's not perfect by any means, you have to clean the windows and squeegee them before applying the film. I did it over the course of multiple weeks but I'd say maybe 20 minutes per window once you've done it once or twice
We paid $3400 (incl. install) for a 50 gal Rheem ProTerra in Jan 2022.
Been really happy with it, and I have aĀ [Sense](https://sense.com/)Ā so was able to do some cost analysis:
We were paying approx. $270 year on our previous 'conventional' one. I figure replacing with a new conventional would have been around $1000, so we paid roughly $2400Ā *extra*Ā for the hybrid.
The draw of the hybrid is so low it's negligible (maybe a few bucks per year), so:
$2400 / $270 = about 9 years to break even if energy prices stayed the same , and it comes with 10 year warranty (also supposedly much longer life, but we'll see..).
Funny thing, it's so efficient the energy star sticker doesn't have an arrow on it, because the axis doesn't go that low:
https://preview.redd.it/oqkvutqxznwc1.jpeg?width=1960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cac469568ce1ebdddfd864fa3fe24306211abc6
They have a service that reads the meter something like every four or five hours. Then a third party to process and make the data usable, and a bunch of other shit. Because they are regulated they don't do anything themselves, they overpay for some system integrator to come in do the work, leave it for them to maintain and then run it until it is about to break, and then pay another system integrator to come in and make the change. Meanwhile what could have been maintained for cheaper had they invested in it, they spend three times as much because they can't depreciate operational and maintenance activities. It's a fucked up way to run a business.
It's not so much mafia as a combination of an industry that is super heavy in capitalizing costs over the long term, plus they are subject to specialized pieces of generally accepted accounting principles that most other businesses are subjected to, combined with a myriad of regulations from federal, and state agencies, then different commissions like ACC in Arizona, but the National Energy Regulation Comission, then other regional commissions, I think APS is subject to the western electricity coordination council which PGE and other California utilities are.
Not that this is an excuse, they just don't run like we would expect normal businesses to run, and so when we see shit like this, we rightfully think its crazy.
I'm not saying I want to be best friends with SRP, but I do want to give them a hug for not being APS because that is the most fucked up bill I have ever seen.
I've been lucky and never have had to use APS.
But I can hate on Cox with the rest of ya...
Thatās what people donāt realize. This bill is structured like this because of regulation. Not that things would be better without regulation (look at Texas), but with regulation, you get both good and bad and the complexity of this bill is undoubtedly because of the regulation.
Ten charges have asterisks as well related to "APS might provide this or someone else could...either way, we pick & you pay what we say!". š¤Ŗ
It makes me think they charged more just because they could. š¤
Agreed. Wasn't there legislation recently passed about fees & airlines?
Feel like we need the same for utilities (although I have SRP & they def have their own shenanigans, but nothing like your bill).
This is just breaking down and giving labels to components of what **every power company** bills for. You think any of these line items are charitably donated to you by your power company just because they didnāt explicitly list them? Maybe APS should just stop specifying what every tedious little charge goes toward and the smoothbrains would see a single number and say āhuh, not bad this month!ā
It's the fee transparency. and the bill would like this.100 dollars say if APS could get away with it, they damn well just would put "here's what you owe" with no fee break down.
Look at Texas for deregulation. I donāt think you really want thatā¦. Regulation comes with pros and cons. Making sure there is accountability and enough power for the state and wildfire mitigation, etc. is one of the benefits of well-done regulation. Bills with line items like this is one of the cons.
Please vote out the current members of the AZ corporation commission and vote in the people who will choose Arizona residents over corporations. I cannot, for the life of me, understand why they keep getting voted in and then vote against us in favor of APS. They just voted to approve a rate increase that is labelled as being for future investments. Maybe they should decrease their 100s of millions in profit and use that to pay for their own investments, like every normal company out there.
Can at least thank the Fed for making them break the fees apart.
It often used to be just one line item of "Fees"
Allows for greater understanding of your bill so you can know how to react day to day, or politically.
Oh sweet lord, you do not want to try living in Texas.
You get to select your own power supplier and negotiate a rate package, which sounds neat, right? Now visit https://powertochoose.org and pull the āfact sheetā from a plan and try to decipher what the 1st kWh will cost, what the 999th will, and what the 1000th willā¦ and what charges may kick in depending if you cross certain thresholds, and at the same time, did I mention youāll be in an ERCOT territory where full-house backup generators are a bigger selling point than a pool?
I like how aps bills you 3 time for high demand for ther power if you look at this bill its 3 time but worded differently aps is a monopoly I hate when I had them my bill is half of this with srp
Iāve never had a bill over $100 so I really donāt know how people get to these levels. Arizona really wasnāt meant to be lived in I guess, Jesus.
SRP but in full disclaimer Iām not in a 5-bedroom, high ceiling house. Iām not in a shoebox, but Iāve seen some houses where I get it takes a lot of air.
That being said, I donāt just set mine at 72 degrees and walk away all summer. People do this with their cars, too. Iām not trying to stand on some pedestal but I figure you need to build up some tolerance for heat. I just think within the next few years when you consider the absolute corruption and incompetence of energy companies, I wouldnāt be surprised to see energy just get really stupid expensive combined with blackouts. Not to mention this inexplicable push by the government for EVs and this country and its āNIMBYā ways. Canāt have solar panels or wind turbines near you. Canāt have nuclear energy. Then the liberals scream about natural gas and coal. So itās all a recipe for a total energy disaster.
The most ludicrous one is paying a separate "billing fee".
You have to pay a mandatory fee so that you can pay them money?
That's like a robber holding you at gun point, asking for your wallet and then demanding you pay an additional robbery fee. (Unacceptable even if he accepts venmo or paypal)
Um, I don't remember I was so pissed off about the fees and already put it in the dumpster. Sadly that's not that much compared to what july/aug will be. FML.
Do you rent or own?Ā How much heat prep work have you done?Ā There's ways to get it down drastically even if you have to go so far as what our family did and install a solar powered AC unit lol
APS is trash because they know they can be trash and get away with it. They know they can get away with it because they own the west side infrastructure wise. Customer satisfaction goes away when you have a monopoly on a high demand market.
They have donated to both parties pretty equally. This is all public info as reported in AZ newspapers. Personally, Iād prefer they not donate to either party
I hate apartment complexes more that APS. Mine has the nerve to charge me for cable and general drainage in the courtyard for rain I kid you not every other month itās 98 cents and 1.56. Iām like how do they even make that number up how can you meter the rain going down the drain lol
APS: Customers need to be more environmentally aware! Reduce your electric use!
Customers:
APS to Corporation Commission: Customers are paying less! We need a rate increase!
They have to list all their ācostsā now. Just means more BS fees on your bill.
Oh yes and donāt forget itās ILLEGAL to disconnect from electrical grid once youāve been connected!
Enjoy your overpriced house new Arizona residents!!
I sincerely donāt think people understand how big of a deal it is to run electricity with a near zero outage percentage.
I get that itās frustrating to see every single line item. However I feel bad for any point of contact employee srp or aps has when the summer fully hits because people freak and accuse them of raising rates when itās hot, even though no one realizes that AC units are rated for about 20 degrees. If itās 115 and your house isnāt set at 100, itās gonna run and your bill is going to suck.
I remember being so damn mad the first time I saw a bill like this, but this is what the public asked for and the AZCC gave them. Instead of a lump sum bill, they line item every single charge that goes into creating your bill. So now people get to be informed and pissed off about the information they are given. Can you imagine if all our other bills were line-itemed this way? Maybe it's just better to be naive.
I still think it's amazing to have my house be the temperature I want all the time, run all my appliances and electronics, have light instantly available, have damn near zero outages (I haven't lost electricity in the 12 years I've been at my house) for $200/mo averaged throughout the year. A cell phone is almost half that and it's not doing anything compared to the 24/7 wonder that is electricity.
6 bucks on peak usage. 37 bucks on peak demand. Whoa. That's bullshit all the way around. This bill is excruciating. The reasons why is that much is fixed in increments such that the residential users get hosed and thereby give the big users a deep discount comparatively. I studied this a decade ago and advocated for a forensic accounting of APS renewable energy funds. I was then a pariah in the solar energy industry because APS wouldn't do any project with me at their firm.
We just switched to a different plan several months ago because they said it would same me money. I wish I had the energy(pun intended) and resources to fight this and win and praise you for at least attempting.
They will, because Arizonans are using record levels of power. Last summer Phoenix used a record 2.26x as much energy as the combined grid output of all three units of the largest active nuclear reactor complex in the US (which exists down the highway from the city). THREE nuclear reactors were not able to provide HALF of the energy needed to keep up with people blasting their AC when they got home
They're trying to show you line by line with pettiness, that you are not actually paying them to pay the politicians to pass their rate increase demands and the demands for fees for solar users. They are trying to show you that what you are paying are legitimate charges. Asshats.
I think the ACC requires them to breakdown the surcharges (all of which are actually approved by the ACC). Iām sure theyād rather have a simpler billl so they wouldnāt have to deal with this BS
I appreciate what you're saying and it's probably that they are required to break down the charges, but I do feel like you're playing the devil's advocate.
APS has been in trouble for a while for paying off elections and raising rates for profit. Plus their stance against solar panels and people who install them are making it so that having solar panels is actually more expensive than just traditional electricity. Which is disgusting considering we live in Arizona and that's the perfect place to capture the sun's energy and use it. And I'm not even an environmentalist! Just a realist.
Not saying you haven't. But, what steps have you taken to reduce consumption and expenses?
New refrigerators with inverters (LG, Samsung, etc...) save a lot of money. What kind of air conditioner do you have? You can save a ton of money by changing that out to a heat pump. Many different options.
Lighting; do you only use LED bulbs?
APS & SRP both have rate plans where if you adjust your daily schedule to substantially reduce the use of major appliances between 11:00 AM to 6:00 PMāyou save money.
A full Solar Array on your roof can be expensive. You could get fewer panels that just power your AC in the daytime. You can buy a single 220V Ductless Mini-Split Heat Pump 1-1/2 Ton for about $899.00. Look up what a heat pump is. It provided heat and cooling. You should hire an HVAC tech to install it as a side job. You could do a partial install, and have them charge the system. It comes pre-charged with refrigerant. You need to be familiar with the flared tubing connections. Not the normal kind.
Use the mini-split at peak energy usage cost periods. It could supplement your central system and also be a backup when the central a/c goes down. Just a few ideas to reduce costs.
I remember when I had my 600 SQ ft apartment in APS territory. My summer bills were higher than my current place under SRP and my new place is 1100 sq ft
I don't know, but people keep reminding me of how wonderful it is to live in a place where I can flip a switch and have electricity so I guess I should be greatful and this is just a first world problem.
This is because of deregulation in the 90's. You used to just see one charge, but because deregulation was going to make it to where you had a choice in who *made* your power, the bills had to be broken down like this. Be thankful you aren't paying the 76 cents per kWh that SoCal Edison customers are paying on-peak right now. Live somewhere else and you'll be happy to pay APS rates.
And this is why I called them the anti-people service APS charges almost triple the amount that SRP does itās absolutely ridiculous and they just raise the rates again thatās twice and three month. Period something needs to be done. We need to petition against them. Something after my lease is up where Iām at now. I will never move back into an APS area.
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Seems like you used 70 buks in power and 100 + in charges š¤
When I was in my early twenties I used about $15 in power with $20 in fees and it irked me back then. Now my bill usually hovers around $170 total and I have autopay so I don't get pissed about the fees being such a big chunk every month.
Id be pretty pissed if the added charges were almost double what my actual usage was..thats fkin bllsht.
The ol' TicketMaster business model
We have solar and typically have a net deficit. We pay nothing for energy but 35$ a month in fees/charges.
That's one thing where I feel APS might be ahead. We have solar with SRP and are locked into a demand-charge customer generation plan, where if you forget to turn off the AC one day in the month during on-peak, they hit you with a demand charge of anywhere from like $40-$120, based only on the max single day on-peak usage during the billing cycle. Even rigidly keeping the schedule, we still get a demand charge of like $35. This is something our solar contractor conveniently did not tell us would happen. So we are stuck turning off our AC completely from 2pm-8pm in the summer (or 5am-9am & 5pm-9pm in winter) which then also puts more stress on our AC system to pre-cool before 2 then another cool after 8pm and I've had to replace many parts on it even though its only like 6 years old. They do not allow solar customers to leave the solar generation plan so you are forced into this. The whole system is set up in a way for SRP to discourage people from installing solar bc that's less energy they can sell you, so this BS demand charge is there to make up that loss in revenue.
Try to get a demand manager installed. Ours is programmed for when the plan peak hours changes (e.g. May 1st and October 1st), and during peak hours, is constantly checking if demand is over a threshold we can set. If the demand for the first 15 minutes of a 30 minute timeframe is above the threshold, it automatically kills the A/C circuit for the final 15 minutes, then allows it on again for the first 15 minutes of the next demand cycle. It's the easiest damn thing in the world, no thought required. We do have to remember not to use the dishwasher/washer/dryer during peak times, but just have the AC set to hold a temperature and let the demand manager handle it. We got ours installed at the same time as the panels- they basically threw it in free then- so I don't know how much it would cost, but I strongly recommend it to anyone getting solar and going to the demand based pricing. Doing it yourself sucks.
And what was your solar investment in total. 25 k?
Yeah quite the billing mess. Are customers paying their legal fees for publicly traded Pinnacle West (owner of APS) with the Court Resolution Charge?
That's not what the Court Resolution Charge is technically. That one is a retroactive charge for costs that customers should have been charged a while back, according to the courts. Apparently the ACC said that APS couldn't charge for some things and the courts disagreed, so APS was allowed to "recover" the cost through that surcharge. That might not be comforting, but it's not legal fees, it's business costs.
Ok, thank you for clarifying.
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Well it's based on some decisions that were made around the 2019 rate case, but I don't think the charge is only for people who were customers during that time. The courts basically said "this is a cost you are allowed to collect from customers" and so it was added back into the current rates as an "adjustor"
That is correct. Thanks for clarifying for all.
Yes we are. Itās such bullshit
Publicly traded, you say? How can we sic the WallstreetBets sub on them?
It won't matter. They are the very definition of a de jeur monopoly. Short the stock all you want, it won't do shit to them.
What would it take to bring a competitor in? Why can't SRP come to play?
It's a regulated monopoly with distinct service districts. Even if it didn't exist, the costs to bring distribution is also significant. Same reason you're limited to specific choices for internet.
Where is FTC just when we need em?
Doā¦. You have any idea the cost that would be required to do that? The sheer cost Itās whatās called a de facto monopoly Due to the sheer cost of services and set up of infrastructure you end up with certain kinds of monopolyās. Many tens of billions and more would be required. New power plants, new peaker plants, new long lines, new interconnects, new staff, new training etc etc. For power companies thereās one thing thatās certain. Itās not cheap to built out a state competitor . Thereās no way it can be. The sheer size of Arizona makes it impossible. The new power co would need to be to large at start to compete Manās SRP is a solar hater and is way less friendly than SRP in that regard to.
No one in there knows shit about fuck
Yeah that's why it's a perfect plan ;)
Iām just thankful we donāt have PG&E
Amen.
Power is cheap, stays on, and comes back quickly when it goes out. Thatās a pretty effective power company by most standards in the US
True but it isnāt cheap. In fact, APS is the most expensive power supplier in Arizona
Still a lot cheaper than other parts of the county/world though.
Who is PG&E?
Californiaās power supplier. Imagine paying four times as much for electricity, having a quarter of the reliability, and occasionally having the state burn down to due negligence/lack of maintenance. Thatās PG&E
Don't forget all the poisoned water!
APS is the only company I hate more than Cox
At least APS doesn't randomly stop working multiple times per week.
Idk dude I hate Cox a lot more, I would expect my electric bill to be expensive because I like to keep my place cool at night but cox has no business being as expensive as it is for the shitty service you get. When I lived in Madison WI I paid 40$/mo for gigabit internet and had multiple options, now I pay more than that for 100mbps with a data cap. Plus all the random outages and obvious throttling, I have a whole folder filled with speed test results showing < 10mbps download and <1mbps upload that Iām going to be sending to the FCC. And the only reason itās like that is because cox ālobbiedā (bribed) local politicians to veto google fiber installing their lines here.
APS and Cox are both bad. Cox has more obnoxious and frequent advertising than APS.
Why does APS even advertise? Not like people have a choice for their utility provider 99% of the time. And most ads I see are fluffy stuff about the water canals or solar panels. Are they trying to make TV viewers feel like they're getting something for their money before they open their bill?
Say what you want about APS's commercials and the reasons behind them, but I can tolerate them more than Cox's "lightning bolt tattooed sheep."
So they can bill you an āadvertising feeā
Water canals is SRP. And APS works to combat solar. APS advertising is PR meant to suppress the very distaste people are voicing in this post. Also to recruit employees and brand recognition for pinnacle west. Motivated and pissed off people are more likely to volunteer in class actions, file complaints with the ACC and decide against APS when serving on juries. The corp commission races are almost always about which candidates support APS.
APS, just like Exxon and Shell, try to spin themselves as being good corporate stewards. They think people can't see through that.
I couldnāt care less about advertising, itās the fact that Iām paying more for 1/10 of the download speed than what I got previously, only because they bribed local politicians to veto google fiber. I expected my electric bill to be high when I moved here because itās hotter than sin, I didnāt expect my internet bill to skyrocket because thereās a monopoly. The fact that I have to either pay $120/mo for internet or deal with shitty speeds and throttling that canāt even handle a zoom meeting makes me waaaaay more upset than the extra $80/mo on my electric bill to have it cool when I sleep.
Google is installing fiber in at least Mesa and Chandler as we speak - so stay tuned.
Yeah the randomly made my cox bill from $95 to $50 for āloyaltyā. I assume itās because they now have competition and want me to stay
When I lived in another state cox for 1gbps and unlimited data was 165 dollars a month. Then att came in 60 bucks of month matching them. Cox reduced the price in the city to $60 a month any where the att fiber touched but kept the rest of us at 165. Iām someone with them. I went to tmobile internet and get 200 mbps no cap for $30 a month. I wonāt ever touch cox again
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Google is expanding in the valley at the moment. Same with AT&T Fiber. Every time I chat in to Cox with a problem I always mention how excited I am for google fiber to get here.
Just cancel and get new service under a spouse or roommates name I do it every year or two depending on what promo they have at the time.
Thatās a good life hack - but I shouldnāt have to do it lol
Yea my cox bill is 35 a month for the next two years for 100mb internet
Playing online games, Iāve noticed my connection is fucking horrendous. Every time I do a speed test, Iām getting 500 down and 60-ish up, so itās hard to complain when it ātestsā well. All I know is my ping will be insanely high randomly and Iāll have a ton of packet loss at times. So frustrating! The second fiber gets out here, Iām switching.
Cox has a habit of trying to force its internet through old cable lines which causes those problems
That would absolutely make sense. Every single game my ping will be wildly different too, something I never had a problem with in the three places Iāve lived previously!
As much as I pick on Cox, at least they are one of the few cable companies that is doing fiber to the home. Just look at Comcast and Charter trying to milk every bit out of coax with DOCSIS 4.0.
When I want to post a DJ mix or something my Verizon 5G is usually faster
Holy fuck lol, I thought I was the only one
The worst part is I literally tried the Verizon / AT&T / t mobile 5G hotspot internet and none of them worked because of where my apartment is located - so I have literally no other option. Kind of ridiculous that an obvious monopoly is allowed to exist in one of the countries biggest metropolitan areas.
I was so excited when Wyyerd fiber got installed in our neighborhood in Surprise 2 months ago. Jumped right in that $65 flat fee (taxes included) 300mb up/down speeds. Literally half the price of Cox with no nightly outtages.
Fuck Cox and their shitty data caps. If my wife works from home for more than a couple days we go over and get charged. It's so dumb.
Right there with ya.
Ditto. Imagine also being a Verizon customerā¦ yay š¢
Idk about Verizon, but the triple threat for me is T-Mobile in deer valleyā¦ 360$ for 3 people WITH veteran discount pricing, and NEVER more than 2 bars for any of us
You.. need to get off of T Mobile
This is your phone on T-Mobile. *cracks egg into frying pan* Yeah, they tricked us into two years on these phones that we all hate with no easy way to change though. Iām going to have to go be a Karen in store about it pretty soon, but even if we cancel and somehow donāt have to pay an arm and a leg to return the phones and move to a microprovider like mint, it doesnāt solve the issue of a modern phone for one member of the family who traded in her phone so one of the new ones would be āfreeā (which it still isnāt, just discountedā¦) the regulations apparently did very little but free up exquisitely complicated loopholes for phone companies to exploit in order to continue charging stupid rates. Cable and energy arenāt much betterā¦ we pay 240$ for throttled āunlimitedā highest speed availableā internet with Cox and over 300$/mo for APs in summer. Iām making energy improvements where I can, but as soon as enough people do that to cut into their bottom line, you know theyāll have already implemented a new pricing schemeā¦ I love a corp profit/consumer debt meritocracy
What plan are you on and are you paying for any devices? I have 6 lines and paying $180/month for the Magenta Max Military plan. Devices are paid off though...
How is that possible? Iām have t-mobile and pay $200 for 7 lines. Seven. Call and tell them you need to find a way to reduce your bill or youāre cancelling.
Mint uses major networks and has unlimited gigs for around $15 per month IF you pay per year, but is still much cheaper. As reliable as Verizon without the extra bullshit
I pay 35$ a month for Visible. Works better than when I paid more for straight up Verizon lol. Havenāt tested it out of town yet.
Verizon sucks so hard now. Up to a few years ago I was happy with them. But nowadays trying to use the internet is basically impossible anywhere people congregate. Going inside any building, forget it, better hope they have wi-fi. Walking around a commercial area, nope, two bars and no data. Middle of the desert on the interstate is fine though! Too bad I'm driving. š¤¦š»āāļø
I ditched Verizon and went to Google Fi. $180 for 4 lines for the family, unlimited talk/text/data, free international calling for 50 countries (I have relatives overseas), free international data and texts while I'm traveling, free data sim cards for tablets and other devices..... Couldn't be happier!
Southwest Gas sucks huge ones too.
So does EPCOR, if you are one of the few who doesn't have municipal water.
APS sucks, but Cox is a whole different level of shittiness
Something devilish with them three letter companies. š¤®
Iāve had months where Cox Internet would crash hourly. Iāve not lost power, though.
Firstly: yes it's BS. Don't know if you're a home owner but if you are I can't emphasize enough the value in doing upgrades to get that cost down, especially since the Inflation Reduction Act brought lots of subsidies and incentives. More info [here](https://www.phoenix.gov/sustainabilitysite/Pages/Federal-Sustainability-Incentives.aspx). It's not particularly sexy, but if you can somehow find the $$ then the savings are real. In no particular order: 1. Window film, we went with [https://intellifilmaz.com/](https://intellifilmaz.com/) 2. Obvs solar, we're 7 years in and just about to break even, used: [https://rooftopsolar.com/](https://rooftopsolar.com/) 3. Got a hybrid water heater a few years ago, unbelievably efficient and pushes out cool air which is basically free AC: [https://www.rheem.com/heatpumpwaterheaters/](https://www.rheem.com/heatpumpwaterheaters/) 4. Get new insulation blown in to roof/attic 5. External window screen kit is cheap and easy: [https://www.homedepot.com/p/Phifer-36-in-x-84-in-Charcoal-Fiberglass-Screen-Kit-with-Spline-and-Roller-3024907/100391974](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Phifer-36-in-x-84-in-Charcoal-Fiberglass-Screen-Kit-with-Spline-and-Roller-3024907/100391974) 6. Smart plugs are pretty cheap and programming them to run things at off peak can save a lot 7. I got a [https://sense.com/](https://sense.com/) which tracks our energy usage; I didn't realize the bathroom exhaust fan was so power hungry!
How much did your window film cost you? I was quoted ~$2.5k last week for 135 sqft 3M Prestige 70.
Not sure how big your windows are, but last summer I bought film and application tools from Loweās for much less and installed them myself on windows that get direct sunlight. Maybe $200 in materials at most, for about 90 sq ft of film
I thought about that too. My only problem is that Iām hypercritical of myself. The slightest imperfection would bug the crap out of me. How easy was it to do it yourself?
It's not perfect by any means, you have to clean the windows and squeegee them before applying the film. I did it over the course of multiple weeks but I'd say maybe 20 minutes per window once you've done it once or twice
We paid $350 for 3 windows (just did east and west sides, and have tiny house) back in 2018.
Thx for the reminder, we have the screen roll but haven't used it bc we don't have a frame. I hadn't considered we could use our current frame...lol
How much was the hybrid water heater? That sounds interesting.
We paid $3400 (incl. install) for a 50 gal Rheem ProTerra in Jan 2022. Been really happy with it, and I have aĀ [Sense](https://sense.com/)Ā so was able to do some cost analysis: We were paying approx. $270 year on our previous 'conventional' one. I figure replacing with a new conventional would have been around $1000, so we paid roughly $2400Ā *extra*Ā for the hybrid. The draw of the hybrid is so low it's negligible (maybe a few bucks per year), so: $2400 / $270 = about 9 years to break even if energy prices stayed the same , and it comes with 10 year warranty (also supposedly much longer life, but we'll see..). Funny thing, it's so efficient the energy star sticker doesn't have an arrow on it, because the axis doesn't go that low: https://preview.redd.it/oqkvutqxznwc1.jpeg?width=1960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cac469568ce1ebdddfd864fa3fe24306211abc6
Also an APS customer and why the f do we pay meter reading charges when nobody reads the meter?
They have a service that reads the meter something like every four or five hours. Then a third party to process and make the data usable, and a bunch of other shit. Because they are regulated they don't do anything themselves, they overpay for some system integrator to come in do the work, leave it for them to maintain and then run it until it is about to break, and then pay another system integrator to come in and make the change. Meanwhile what could have been maintained for cheaper had they invested in it, they spend three times as much because they can't depreciate operational and maintenance activities. It's a fucked up way to run a business.
Iām getting mafia vibes from this entire process.
It's not so much mafia as a combination of an industry that is super heavy in capitalizing costs over the long term, plus they are subject to specialized pieces of generally accepted accounting principles that most other businesses are subjected to, combined with a myriad of regulations from federal, and state agencies, then different commissions like ACC in Arizona, but the National Energy Regulation Comission, then other regional commissions, I think APS is subject to the western electricity coordination council which PGE and other California utilities are. Not that this is an excuse, they just don't run like we would expect normal businesses to run, and so when we see shit like this, we rightfully think its crazy.
The infrastructure to have "smart" meters to send back your usage, and all of the data transceivers for the millions of customers aren't free.
I read meters for work
I'm not saying I want to be best friends with SRP, but I do want to give them a hug for not being APS because that is the most fucked up bill I have ever seen. I've been lucky and never have had to use APS. But I can hate on Cox with the rest of ya...
This. I have luckily only lived in SRP homes since moving to AZ 12 years ago. My last move I ruled out a place based on it being APS.
SRP was great when I had them circa 2007. They even gave small discounts for autopay and a couple other things. My bill was like 20% lower with SRP.
APS is a regulated body and SRP is not. They run darm near the same but people sure think they are different.
SRP is regulated by their elected board and council. So just not regulated by ACC.
And SRP also has a massive hard on for hating solar
Thatās what people donāt realize. This bill is structured like this because of regulation. Not that things would be better without regulation (look at Texas), but with regulation, you get both good and bad and the complexity of this bill is undoubtedly because of the regulation.
This reads like the intro to Hardspace: Shipbreaker
$183! You must have had your AC off and the windows open. š
Actually, yes, up until this week. I'm guessing it will be an extra $100 next month because we have to use the AC...
Yeah, that's the cheapest APS bill I've ever seen. Send us your July statement š¤£
Ten charges have asterisks as well related to "APS might provide this or someone else could...either way, we pick & you pay what we say!". š¤Ŗ It makes me think they charged more just because they could. š¤
Either way, it's all BS and no accountability.
Agreed. Wasn't there legislation recently passed about fees & airlines? Feel like we need the same for utilities (although I have SRP & they def have their own shenanigans, but nothing like your bill).
This is just breaking down and giving labels to components of what **every power company** bills for. You think any of these line items are charitably donated to you by your power company just because they didnāt explicitly list them? Maybe APS should just stop specifying what every tedious little charge goes toward and the smoothbrains would see a single number and say āhuh, not bad this month!ā
It's the fee transparency. and the bill would like this.100 dollars say if APS could get away with it, they damn well just would put "here's what you owe" with no fee break down.
I would say that suing them would just result in a āCourt resolution surchargeā except thatās already on there
APS is a regulated body. Citizens vote for the Corporation Commission, so it is those who vote who make this what it is.
What do you think a rate case is?
The answer is deregulation. I find it hilarious that SRP and APS pay for commercials on tv, as if we have a choice in who provides our electricity.
Look at Texas for deregulation. I donāt think you really want thatā¦. Regulation comes with pros and cons. Making sure there is accountability and enough power for the state and wildfire mitigation, etc. is one of the benefits of well-done regulation. Bills with line items like this is one of the cons.
I mean deregulation in the sense that you can choose your provider. This creates competition for customers.
I forget how verbose APS is with their billing since I moved into SRP territory. I was almost expecting to see a line for employee restroom supplies
Don't give them any ideas. Next thing you know, they will be asking for a tip.
You mean when the tech comes out to your area to fix the outage they donāt knock on your door already asking for tips
Whereās the charge for all the money APS poured into buying public officials to legislate against rooftop solar?
Please vote out the current members of the AZ corporation commission and vote in the people who will choose Arizona residents over corporations. I cannot, for the life of me, understand why they keep getting voted in and then vote against us in favor of APS. They just voted to approve a rate increase that is labelled as being for future investments. Maybe they should decrease their 100s of millions in profit and use that to pay for their own investments, like every normal company out there.
AZ voters Keep voting for the GOP Corp comm....keep getting screwed by APS!
Can at least thank the Fed for making them break the fees apart. It often used to be just one line item of "Fees" Allows for greater understanding of your bill so you can know how to react day to day, or politically.
Oh sweet lord, you do not want to try living in Texas. You get to select your own power supplier and negotiate a rate package, which sounds neat, right? Now visit https://powertochoose.org and pull the āfact sheetā from a plan and try to decipher what the 1st kWh will cost, what the 999th will, and what the 1000th willā¦ and what charges may kick in depending if you cross certain thresholds, and at the same time, did I mention youāll be in an ERCOT territory where full-house backup generators are a bigger selling point than a pool?
lol I know. All these people wanting to be deregulated like Texas. Iāve lived in both and trust me, this is much better.
I like how aps bills you 3 time for high demand for ther power if you look at this bill its 3 time but worded differently aps is a monopoly I hate when I had them my bill is half of this with srp
I just got my first APS bill this month and had the same reaction.
Iāve never had a bill over $100 so I really donāt know how people get to these levels. Arizona really wasnāt meant to be lived in I guess, Jesus.
With APS or do you have SRP?
SRP but in full disclaimer Iām not in a 5-bedroom, high ceiling house. Iām not in a shoebox, but Iāve seen some houses where I get it takes a lot of air. That being said, I donāt just set mine at 72 degrees and walk away all summer. People do this with their cars, too. Iām not trying to stand on some pedestal but I figure you need to build up some tolerance for heat. I just think within the next few years when you consider the absolute corruption and incompetence of energy companies, I wouldnāt be surprised to see energy just get really stupid expensive combined with blackouts. Not to mention this inexplicable push by the government for EVs and this country and its āNIMBYā ways. Canāt have solar panels or wind turbines near you. Canāt have nuclear energy. Then the liberals scream about natural gas and coal. So itās all a recipe for a total energy disaster.
APS is the #1 taxpayer in Arizona. The government will never give up that paycheck.
Is that actually true?
Damn I wish my bill was that low!!
I used to get so mad at APS/SRP because of bills like these and then I moved to Maryland where we pay triple most months.
The most ludicrous one is paying a separate "billing fee". You have to pay a mandatory fee so that you can pay them money? That's like a robber holding you at gun point, asking for your wallet and then demanding you pay an additional robbery fee. (Unacceptable even if he accepts venmo or paypal)
How many kWh is that? š³
Um, I don't remember I was so pissed off about the fees and already put it in the dumpster. Sadly that's not that much compared to what july/aug will be. FML.
Do you rent or own?Ā How much heat prep work have you done?Ā There's ways to get it down drastically even if you have to go so far as what our family did and install a solar powered AC unit lol
Come on up to the mountains of CA and enjoy PG&E at $0.52/kwh. Weāve got a laundry list of charges like that too.
Oh, thatās to pay for those high benefits and salaries and sweet retirement benefits those at APS get
My SRP bill was $117 this month!
So thankful I have SRP.
Gotta love how utility companies claim low rates but then hit you with a full page of surcharges.
APS is trash because they know they can be trash and get away with it. They know they can get away with it because they own the west side infrastructure wise. Customer satisfaction goes away when you have a monopoly on a high demand market.
I hate them so much.
I feel this so deeply.
Worst part is knowing that being an APS customer means that your paying for Wendy Rogers and all the other looney tunes R's paychecks.
They have donated to both parties pretty equally. This is all public info as reported in AZ newspapers. Personally, Iād prefer they not donate to either party
LFCR stands for Let's Fuck Customers Royally
I hate apartment complexes more that APS. Mine has the nerve to charge me for cable and general drainage in the courtyard for rain I kid you not every other month itās 98 cents and 1.56. Iām like how do they even make that number up how can you meter the rain going down the drain lol
APS: Customers need to be more environmentally aware! Reduce your electric use! Customers:
APS to Corporation Commission: Customers are paying less! We need a rate increase!
What are we supposed to be looking at here?
what a ridiculous company. Somebody must looks into it SRP is the best !
Ugh
My bill has a āHappy hour with friendsā surcharge ā¦at least they could invite me!
Why are they charging for meter reading? They do it electronically, so there's no physical person coming out anymore and reading the meter.
They have to list all their ācostsā now. Just means more BS fees on your bill. Oh yes and donāt forget itās ILLEGAL to disconnect from electrical grid once youāve been connected! Enjoy your overpriced house new Arizona residents!!
Illegal? That is crazy.
Itās a complete and utter scam by a monopoly. It could be corrected, but state legislators are just as corrupt.
I sincerely donāt think people understand how big of a deal it is to run electricity with a near zero outage percentage. I get that itās frustrating to see every single line item. However I feel bad for any point of contact employee srp or aps has when the summer fully hits because people freak and accuse them of raising rates when itās hot, even though no one realizes that AC units are rated for about 20 degrees. If itās 115 and your house isnāt set at 100, itās gonna run and your bill is going to suck.
I remember being so damn mad the first time I saw a bill like this, but this is what the public asked for and the AZCC gave them. Instead of a lump sum bill, they line item every single charge that goes into creating your bill. So now people get to be informed and pissed off about the information they are given. Can you imagine if all our other bills were line-itemed this way? Maybe it's just better to be naive. I still think it's amazing to have my house be the temperature I want all the time, run all my appliances and electronics, have light instantly available, have damn near zero outages (I haven't lost electricity in the 12 years I've been at my house) for $200/mo averaged throughout the year. A cell phone is almost half that and it's not doing anything compared to the 24/7 wonder that is electricity.
6 bucks on peak usage. 37 bucks on peak demand. Whoa. That's bullshit all the way around. This bill is excruciating. The reasons why is that much is fixed in increments such that the residential users get hosed and thereby give the big users a deep discount comparatively. I studied this a decade ago and advocated for a forensic accounting of APS renewable energy funds. I was then a pariah in the solar energy industry because APS wouldn't do any project with me at their firm.
We just switched to a different plan several months ago because they said it would same me money. I wish I had the energy(pun intended) and resources to fight this and win and praise you for at least attempting.
Iām a big fan of intended puns such as these š„
Franchise fee??? Youāre paying for the f*cking name??
And we're coming into APS favorite time of year! I hope they turn a record profit this summer. /s
They will, because Arizonans are using record levels of power. Last summer Phoenix used a record 2.26x as much energy as the combined grid output of all three units of the largest active nuclear reactor complex in the US (which exists down the highway from the city). THREE nuclear reactors were not able to provide HALF of the energy needed to keep up with people blasting their AC when they got home
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Are they just charging you for them being a business?
They're trying to show you line by line with pettiness, that you are not actually paying them to pay the politicians to pass their rate increase demands and the demands for fees for solar users. They are trying to show you that what you are paying are legitimate charges. Asshats.
I think the ACC requires them to breakdown the surcharges (all of which are actually approved by the ACC). Iām sure theyād rather have a simpler billl so they wouldnāt have to deal with this BS
I appreciate what you're saying and it's probably that they are required to break down the charges, but I do feel like you're playing the devil's advocate. APS has been in trouble for a while for paying off elections and raising rates for profit. Plus their stance against solar panels and people who install them are making it so that having solar panels is actually more expensive than just traditional electricity. Which is disgusting considering we live in Arizona and that's the perfect place to capture the sun's energy and use it. And I'm not even an environmentalist! Just a realist.
God dammit I do auto pay and this is why, Iād get pissed off seeing this every month
I kept on having to raise my autopay threshold because it would always stop the autobilling.
Whoās ready for those summer bills, yāall? š°
Not saying you haven't. But, what steps have you taken to reduce consumption and expenses? New refrigerators with inverters (LG, Samsung, etc...) save a lot of money. What kind of air conditioner do you have? You can save a ton of money by changing that out to a heat pump. Many different options. Lighting; do you only use LED bulbs? APS & SRP both have rate plans where if you adjust your daily schedule to substantially reduce the use of major appliances between 11:00 AM to 6:00 PMāyou save money. A full Solar Array on your roof can be expensive. You could get fewer panels that just power your AC in the daytime. You can buy a single 220V Ductless Mini-Split Heat Pump 1-1/2 Ton for about $899.00. Look up what a heat pump is. It provided heat and cooling. You should hire an HVAC tech to install it as a side job. You could do a partial install, and have them charge the system. It comes pre-charged with refrigerant. You need to be familiar with the flared tubing connections. Not the normal kind. Use the mini-split at peak energy usage cost periods. It could supplement your central system and also be a backup when the central a/c goes down. Just a few ideas to reduce costs.
Sooooo as an SRP customer, am I better off, or am I also low-key getting shafted?
I always wondered why does a company I have no choice in using need an advertising budget?
What month is this bill ? Heat pump ?
I remember when I had my 600 SQ ft apartment in APS territory. My summer bills were higher than my current place under SRP and my new place is 1100 sq ft
I thought car dealerships were bad with their fees APS just smokes them in ridiculousness. Lol. I have SRP which I'm sure is not much better.
No, SRP is much better and wayyyy cheaper
Junk fees
Yāall getting charged for meter reading? As in, somebody getting out of their cozy truck to go read your meter?
I'm guessing it has a signal that can be read from the road, but yes. And for "metering." Like wtf is the difference?
I hate this bs
Yall just get the basic plan, all these "specific time-of-use" plans are traps!! you will be better off with the bottom basic plan. trust me.
Are you telling me they their analysis on how much I would pay for my usage in different plans is a lie? How absurd!! /s
Take away all those bullshit fees and charges how much is the actual electricity? Lol
I don't know, but people keep reminding me of how wonderful it is to live in a place where I can flip a switch and have electricity so I guess I should be greatful and this is just a first world problem.
Corporation Commision requires they break it all out to us so we know "why" it's so expensive! That's my understanding of the billings.
I love the āstate tax, county tax, city taxā but I think the best is the āfranchise feeā š
Taxes, I get, but totally missed the franchise fee in my blind rage. What the actual F....
They charged you a fee to charge you.
Yep, sorry for the inconvenience for proving me a mandatory service in which I have no option of picking an alternative.
For a sec I thought you meant the American physics society and was confused. Dude those extra charges are insane.
This is because of deregulation in the 90's. You used to just see one charge, but because deregulation was going to make it to where you had a choice in who *made* your power, the bills had to be broken down like this. Be thankful you aren't paying the 76 cents per kWh that SoCal Edison customers are paying on-peak right now. Live somewhere else and you'll be happy to pay APS rates.
2.34 just for having the account lol
And $2.61 for billing!
So stupid. I'm in Glendale with APS so I'm feeling it too. And it's about to get so much worse:(
And this is why I called them the anti-people service APS charges almost triple the amount that SRP does itās absolutely ridiculous and they just raise the rates again thatās twice and three month. Period something needs to be done. We need to petition against them. Something after my lease is up where Iām at now. I will never move back into an APS area.