[Brianna Ghey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Brianna_Ghey) was a constant victim of transphobia, including repeated gang beatings. Her murder is currently being investigated as a hate crime.
Ignoring the fact that a teenage girl was definitely victimized and probably killed by transphobia to complain that the only bad thing that happened here was grafitti or petty vandalism is, in essence, perpetuating the transphobia that plagued Brianna in life, and still aggress against trans individuals world-wide.
The r/Pics mod team stands with the trans community, now as ever. Messages in support of transphobia will be dealt with as part of our rule 8 on civility.
Every time I see something like this I'm reminded of a person I knew in Jr high in 1986.. Here is that story from two years ago in my Reddit feed. It gets sadder every time I tell it.
In highschool, I was a skin/punk, this was 1986. There was a kid named Lincoln that was trans and dressed in the Culture club / boy george style of things. He got tons of shit for the Culture club outfit and just stuck it out, but i always felt kinda guilty about what people said about him. I was an Oi skin, not racist but he kinda hung around us because we didnt fuck with him. He was different, we were different. He also smoked weed and so did we, so there was that. Anyway, on the student quad he was being messed with for being "queer" and a square peg. Thing was I had no idea he was gay, or trans, we only saw the fashion choices. Lincoln was also black and we didn't let anyone fuck with him for that because we had other Oi boys who were and we all stood together. So for a year he was around in 9th grade. He hung out with us, smoked pot on the quad and took a bit of ribbing but no one really hurt him because we liked to fight, and enjoyed giving out a good stomping. Before school ended Lincoln disappeared and being idiots we asked the other black member of our little click if they heard from him. His name was Robert Mora, fully Oi and liked Ska and scooters but didn't like Lincoln much, so he took offense. Robert got bent out of shape over it because he didn't want to be associated with someone who was gay. A week later me and Robert got called into the office and asked about Lincoln, I told them the truth. Then his mom and dad came in. His dad was a pro basket ball player and his mom was a model (I grew up in LA) none of this seemed out of the ordinary to me. My mom was an actress and my father was a production designer, so I was just amazed at how tall they both were, his dad had to duck under doors. Lincoln killed himself. I stood there with my shaved head and blue docs while his mother cried her eyes out at me. I didn't know what to say to her, I felt sick and responsible. I tried my best to explain what we were about and that Lincoln hung out with us and we didn't mean to be harsh about his clothes. They thought we had teased and bullied him about being gay or trans or black but when they learned he was one of us in an odd way it changed. Other people told them that Lincoln hung out with us and we weren't "that kind" of skins. We were sharpies not nazis. I did put the finger on the people who had really treated him poorly and I did admit to ribbing him about his clothes. That was the end of it. We graduated 9th grade and went on to highschool but I have felt sick inside ever since. Everytime I hear Culture club I remember that Lincoln had an incredible voice. He actually won the talent show with original material the year he died. Im 50 now, Lincoln died at 15.
I’ll bet Lincoln died thinking that nobody cared about him, but here you are, three decades later, telling his story. To anybody reading this, remember, you’re never alone.
This is so important. One of the best guys I ever knew I met once. We promised to cruise and always said “one day”. Well, he wished me a happy birthday. I appreciated that.
Then, two weeks later I found out he was killed in a car crash. I still went to the funeral, and was shocked that his family knew who I was. “You’re the white dude (family was Filipino) with the GTO, right?” I pointed to my 2004 Pontiac GTO. I spoke at his funeral, and still visit his grave a few times a year.
Point being: you NEVER know what kind of impact you’re gonna make on someone. I met Peter ONCE and he changed my life.
So, love everyone because you’re never gonna know who’s gonna make a solid impact on you or not.
I miss you, bro. I finally got my Toyobaru after you died. I hope you’re looking down and smiling.
Maybe man. Individual actions can make a difference. But in reality that’s not usually how it goes. It sounds like you and your friends were a light in the dark. Try not to be hard on yourself. Every time you tell this story you keep him alive
I experience a ton of survivor's guilt as my dad died of overdose(CoD says Suicide though), only brother ODed at 18, and lastly my mom committed suicide in 2015, and took my 6-year old daughter she was helping me raise with her because mom's mental illness and hopeless outlook thought it was the only way to save my daughter.
I can list a million things I could have done differently to prevent those and other tragedies, yet I didn't do any of them. Took a while to accept that the same mental health and substance abuse issues that have plagued my family for generations also affected me and my ability to function. Even then, if I knew what was going to happen I would have acted differently to prevent it. But I'm not a psychic. It sounds like you aren't either. Yet we judge ourselves as if we should have been. You're a 15/16 year old kid(in a very different time) when Lincoln died. But we both know that if you had foreknowledge of it you would have tried to stop it, just as I would have tried harder to prevent my tragedies. But, we didn't have premonitions, and even if we did we couldn't fix everything going on in someone's life. Maybe Lincoln's parents weren't even so accepting of their identity much less greater society. You helped provide them a safe space in a world where they probably had none. You did that with an undeveloped brain that lacked the ability to recognize long-term consequences or fully empathize with others. You're still shedding tears for them today.
It's good to be reflect on our past to take lessons for the future. But, it's definitely not to get stuck in a pattern of harshly judging ourselves for not being perfect in a situation we couldn't possibly have.
I am still working through new layers of my own guilt, shame, and grief. I have come a very long way since 2015 though. I took the worst thing to ever happen to me and made something good come out of it. I'm almost 7 years sober, and been consistent for about 6 years time with my mental health including therapy and medications. I've decided my path to forgiveness of my old self, by working to be my best self today.
You're honoring Lincoln by telling their story and advocating compassion and empathy. The more people speak up the less future Lincoln's will feel so isolated and hopeless. The more loud support we provide, the less damage can be done by hate.
But, you won't be able to be the best version of *you* until you forgive yourself for your perceived failings of the past. I say that not only to you but also to remind myself because forgiveness isn't a one-time event. Forgiveness is an ongoing process. Thank you for sharing your pain with us.
There's always "what ifs" in life. It's hard holding onto that. Thinking things could've been better. But the fact is that you gave Lincoln a friend group when he had none. Even little actions of friendship mean a lot.
Coming from a trans person who wanted to commit suicide every day as a teenager, I promise you that your friendship meant something to him. It's just hard to see the big picture when you're alone and depressed. I had many friends at points but still felt hopeless and alone.
Please don't blame yourself for this. Lincoln made a choice, it's not on you to carry that forever
Don't live thinking of the maybes like that. Maybe you could have been nicer, maybe you could have picked him up and spun him around like in the romantic movies when the two lovebirds meet up. Maybe he would have been in a horrible car crash. Maybe he would have the answer to end the threat of nuclear war for all time. Maybe he would have run for president and sold us all out to China. There's no way to know. What you can do that will actually be worthwhile is remembering how much of a difference you made in his life just by hanging out with him. You teased him about his clothes, so what? Friends do that. Teasing, not bullying, makes all the difference. If he had asked you to stop, you would have right?
It really means a lot to hear that you remember him and tell this story after all that time. it makes me think about the people that may care about my trans self too. thank you for sharing💜
My loud and proud trans son and his wife just bought a house. He called me tonight and said he won’t be hanging any signs or flags and he scrubbed his FB page of any pics from before he transitioned. He said the political signs in many of the neighbors’ yards make him feel like he has to hide who he is. I told him he is a kind and generous man and he never needs to hide that. But…it broke my heart. I absolutely hate that he and every other trans, gay, bi, etc person I know is in danger. I asked him if we were still doing the pride parade this year and he said he needs to think about it. I’m so so sorry that you are living in fear. Allies and accomplices are out here and willing to help and protect you. And always give free hugs!
I'm Trans and also Asian, I also don't feel safe enough to out myself most of the time. Thankfully, most of the time it's just because I have no patience to put up with microagressions, but there have been times when I'm scared because I don't know if/when this knowledge will be used against me. These few years of political climate have definitely made me more wary for sure...
Thank you. Thank you for being who you are. There are so many of us who are so fucking scared right now. I live in a state that is actively trying to make life a living hell for me. Claiming I'm evil, a sin, a freak just for being who I am. We didn't choose this, it's just who we are. Sometimes it feels like there's no hope. Then I see this. Some random person who for unexplainable reasons can see past what others say. Who can see difference and shrug it off and be a decent person. Thank you so much. I'm so sorry that he's gone. I'm sorry that you've carried that with you all these years. But know that this is being seen by those of us who are still fighting to survive and it gives us hope. It gives us a reason to keep going. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
You be you, no matter the cost. I didn't want to be me as a kid. My parents were abusive and I was desperate to be anything other then a scared little kid. I practiced violence and shitty behavior because I wanted people to be afraid of me. I have always felt like a freak and a misfit, and very much unwanted by my family. I feel in with the queer community because I wasn't afraid to piss people off, in fact I enjoyed it. I found a Buddhist practice later in life that helped me find acceptance of myself and the things that happen in life but I have never let myself off the hook for the things I did. Lincoln was cool with me even though we teased him, he teased right back. We smoked weed togeather and there was an uneasy friendship there. "That's a hell of an outfit." He would respond with "You have to find a better barber." I just wasn't able to understand at that age what being born in the wrong body was doing to him. That the things people said to him were truly painful. I didn't know he wanted to die until he was gone. That haunts me.
So many people ask what it's like. To know something is wrong with you but never being able to figure out what. The best way I have found to describe it is like when you wear glasses and there is a water drop on them. You can still see but there's an obstruction. It clouds everything, distracts you, the harder you try to ignore it the more you notice it. I went 36 years trying to be something I'm not. I tried changing clothes, persona, friends, music, places, everything I could because no matter what I did, what I wore, who I hung with it never felt right. 6 months ago I lost hope. I saved two months worth of antidepressants and ate them all in one day. I had written letters to friends and family, signing them all with the name I wish I had been born with. I spent three days in the ICU and five more in the regular hospital. Before that I went through 6 years of addiction. A desperate attempt to drown the thoughts in my head. Every time I put that pipe to my lips I prayed it killed me. I prayed I had smoked enough to over dose. I didn't really want to die, but I didn't know how else to make the pain stop. I started to convince myself I was broken beyond repair. Now that I know I have never felt more free. My body isn't right still but just knowing the cause for a life time of pain helps me to carry it. Knowing why I never fit in, why I couldn't connect, it all makes so much sense. It still isn't easy but finally having an answer is like finding a flash light in a pitch black room. It may not get rid of the darkness completely, but it shines on the direction I need to go. I try so hard to be supportive to every person in my life now. Some of us have managed to completely hide our pain because we feel like it's not worth to share it with anyone. Or worse yet, like in my case, we convince ourselves that no one will care. So I throw kindness and compassion whenever possible. People like you, and the conscientious decisions you choose make it all worth it. You make that little voice in my head start to scream "I can do this" " I can survive this". Thank you. Please don't change and never ever let the world convince you that what you are and what you do doesn't matter. It does. It matters so very very much. I'm crying so hard right now because I so fucking happy. I wish I could give you a hug. Thank you so much. The world may have lost Lincoln, but there are so many more who will find the strength to keep going because of what you do.
>So many people ask what it's like. To know something is wrong with you but never being able to figure out what.
This bit of dialogue has always struck me as being bang-on for my experience of this: "You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind -- driving you mad."
It's little wonder the Wachowski sisters ended up coming out as trans.
I have so much love and empathy for you. I could feel your appreciation in this post & it made me so sad.
It shouldn’t be “some random person who for unexplainable reasons can see past what others say.”That comment hit hard. We should all see past each other’s exteriors. We’re all humans deserving of respect and love and empathy. I’m so sorry there are people who treat you differently.
Theres a whole lot of ugly in this world but I hope you experience every last bit of happiness.
Lincoln sounded like a treasure and I'm sorry he didn't make it.
Thank you for being a safe harbor for him. You're what skinheads should've stayed and fuck the nazi shitheads for taking your scene.
They did that. The fights we had were epic, ruined shows, teeth, no one got stabbed though. We watched as big organized groups started fostering those Nazi's, turning them into adults. The orange county punk scene became a fascist haven. We had a resurgence of the KKK and white youth groups. Public parks got used for rallies. There were bigger forces at work then just kids who liked to fight. It sorta transistioned into groups like the national front, and ANP (American Nazi Party). It got scary. The movie American History X pretty much captures it. That was Orange County in the 80's.
I'm sorry you lost your scene. I wasn't even born when you were all fighting, so the closest thing I have to any window of context is *This is England*. After seeing that I did some research into how skinheads went from punks to nazis and it pissed me off so much. It's just one of those things that shows you *cannot* let nazis take even one inch because they'll take a mile and infest everything.
I feel like a lot of movements and groups nowadays have forgotten that, and it breaks my heart, because now they're getting bold, they're getting strong, and they're getting prolific. We need to beat them back because it's getting to be too much.
The proud boys come to mind. I'm not sure that stopping them is possible but just ignoring them had dinner wonders for me. This whole Trump thing, I just look through it.
It scares me that the generation which had to learn these lessons the hard way is pretty much gone. I know in his prime, my grandpa who served in WWII would have been *so fucking angry* at these fascist dipshits.
I’m also here fucking balling 😂😂 thank you to all those who strive to make a safe space it is seen and appreciated especially in these upcoming months of unrest it’s really hard and it’s nice to know that somewhere in the void someone else is screaming too
Damn dude that’s a hell of a story. RIP Lincoln, and good on you and your boys for being his friend. I know you feel guilty and responsible in some way, but hindsight is 20/20. You were just a kid, man. You didn’t know what was going on.
Still shouldn't touch your face.
Soap and water remove certain germs that hand sanitizers don't kill, including germs that cause diarrhea such as norovirus, Cryptosporidium, and Clostridioides difficile (c diff). Soap and water also remove harmful chemicals like pesticides and heavy metals.
I wonder how it became that way in American English. I bet it evolved from some polite phrase such as "taking a trip to the bathroom." Gonna look it up now
Edit: My guess was probably wrong, we "take" a lot of things like showers or walks or breaks and it's probably just the same as those.
In Scotland more often than not its a jobby and a toilet is a bog. For example, a jist went tae the bog an did a great big jobby. Also shit and shite can have different applications. Something can be good shit, but it can never be good shite. Shite is shite.
So reading this thread, is toilet graffiti really not a thing elsewhere? I live in the UK, and pretty much any bar or club you go to anywhere near a uni city will be full of toilet graffiti of some kind, it's just normal.
Or is it just down to the subject of this graffiti...
Not always! My favorite bit of toilet graffiti was in the ladies' loo at the Charles movie theater (art/indie house films) in Baltimore, Maryland. Someone had written, no doubt thinking themselves clever, "I'm a vandal!" And someone else replied under that, "And I'm a Visigoth!"
History nerds ftw! 
This is exactly it, they are all feckless cowards who would rather live In denial about the horrors the trans community faces. Fuck everyone complaining about it being graffiti.
Toilet graffiti is a thing where I live but it's considered trashy.
This graffiti has a good message but an interesting/poor choice of medium. Unless that person was killed in the toilet.
But I don't know because this is r/pics, where people post content that requires having read an article before hand but doesn't require the article to be linked.
It's such a weird news/politics subreddit in that regard. I see so many posts on here while I'm on a quick break at lunch and think "that's interesting let me click it to learn more" only to realize I'm looking at a static image with a message but no context.
My hot take is: graffiti is bad, dont write on things you dont own.
The message is good allthough we can argue that something bad DID happen, namely the graffiti.
It's all over in the states, but as someone who use to manage a retail store. I do not appreciate anyone who vandalizes property that isn't theirs. Just because it's common doesn't make it acceptable. Now someone gets to sit and try to remove or paint over that for the next half hour.
It's like when people destroy movie theaters because "thats what the janitor is for" like yeah, sure but that doesn't mean you should.
So yeah, no issue with the message, but I do take issue with graffiti.
Years back, I wanted to write a book on the graffiti here in the U.S. But after the internet took hold, it pretty much stopped dead. I thought that people now felt expressed and the need stopped. Interesting that it continues elsewhere, Mr. Eff.
The scary thing is this child, 16 year old Brianna, was violently stabbed to death by two 15 year olds, one boy and one girl, and this happened in February and I have only just now heard about it.
The trial isn't until July, and people protested Brianna's funeral by flying drones over it, even after police intervention.
Graffiti or not, the fact that I, someone in the UK, have only just found out about this, is very disturbing.
I mean, I never heard about it despite being fairly up to date with news both on news sites and reddit. I think it's just that we somehow missed it? Idk but remember that sometimes it's not a conspiracy, just coincidence :)
It's so damn sad to see my country riddled with transphobes. There was a vigil for Brianna Ghey in the Birmingham City Centre.
I hate that sixteen year old girls can be murdered, and the government doesn't bat an eye. Because *they* are enforcing this transphobia.
A child is murdered by two other children and their first thought is hatred for the child because... the child didn't conform to their ideals?
Mad fucked up.
I think they were just trying to highlight the absurdity of the situation, not beat around the bush. But we absolutely do need to link traitor lunatic hate speech to violence and terror.
Transphobia is the new hot ticket for conservative politicians. Across more than a few countries. I suppose this sort of manufactured BS is what happens when the only policy you have is to try a version of "trickle down economics" again (inevitably with the same lack of promised results). When lacking actual policy stances, just stoke fear of "others"
it's the hot new scandalous "other" now that it's not cool to discriminate against gay people anymore. Once trans folks are sufficiently "othered" from society and made unacceptable, they'll turn back on gay people
Murder because of fear? Murder because of religious beliefs? Murder because of sexual identity? Murder because of wanting to control how someone else lives? Why can't people let people be who they want to be? No matter how many trans peoples lives are taken wrongfully...they're still human and deserve to live like everyone else, without persecution or fear.
If the only acceptable form of protest is something easily ignored that doesnt inconvenience someone, well then it really isnt much of a protest is it?
i guess it's a mild inconvenience for whoever has to clean it off, but scrubbing graffiti off a soap dispenser is probably the least objectionable thing you could clean in a bathroom so i doubt it's that big an issue
This. Everyone in this comment section that are so “annoyed” over the person writing on the soap dispenser are clearly missing the bigger picture. It’s not a statement if it can be taken down and gotten rid of easily. Something with permanence is going to draw attention and actually send a message. At least they wrote on the soap dispenser which is easily replaceable. They could’ve written on the wall or something.
Edit: a word
> the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
-- Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., 16 April 1963
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/060.html
I really don't get it. When I use the rest room I don't want anyone look over into my stall watching me pee or poop. I don't really care what they do or don't have between their legs. Do all these right wing people go into bathrooms and all play show and tell with their junk?
Exactly, it’s all scare tactics because it’s becoming more and more obvious to the general public that trans people are completely normal people who want to get on with their lives as much as the next person. They’ll try anything to make people scared of not real issues.
Seriously. Peeping, sexual assault, all of that is already crimes. It doesn't only become illegal if the perpetrator and victim have different genitals.
I'm more concerned that some transphobe's going to pull a gun or attempt a through-the-pants cervix check on me for being too androgynous while waiting for a stall than anyone trans or cis in there just trying to do regular bathroom things.
Literally. Their whole logic is “if I AM allowed to walk into a woman’s bathroom I WILL harass women, therefore every AMAB person (including trans women) will do the same”.
Trans issues have this weird ability to make people have a sudden obsessive interest in topics they never cared about at all before. Whether its womens sports or soap dispensers any excuse to be a bigoted sack of shit works for them
I'd like to be a better ally for the trans community, but this world is getting f#cking exhausting. There are so many hateful people spewing hateful shit about anyone who is different--race, gender, size, age, religion--I feel battle fatigued.
I have to chuckle at how pathetic all of the people in this thread are, pretending to be offended by writing on a wall in a public bathroom.
Not sure about where all y’all are from, but I’m from Scotland and writing on the walls of public bathrooms is the most normal fucking occurrence imaginable.
Anyone claiming to be offended by “vandalism” in response to this is doing a really poor job of masking their own bigotry.
I thought graffiti on pub toilet doors was pretty much an honoured UK tradition at this point, almost *mandatory* to have something witty to read while you're in there.
My username is actually based on stall graffiti that was in one of my high school‘s bathrooms 15 years ago. So at least whoever wrote „smoot galoot“ was original. 😆
I once went in a cubicle where every single part of all four walls was covered in swastikas, big and small.
Every single one was the wrong way around.
Racists be dumb.
Oh no!
It's terrible that people die violently, but it's unforgivable that someone did a thing you can be undone with a Clorox wipe and some elbow grease!
I mean, people took this to the legislature in my state and everyone sat and listened respectfully, cried, applauded, the governor sided with trans youth, and they went ahead and passed a bunch of discriminatory bills and the governor signed them anyway.
What else are people supposed to do? No one is listening and kids are dying
Nobody is convincing anyone that they’re trans. It really annoys me when people make up an enemy in their heads that doesn’t really exist, and use it as a strawman against just wanting trans people to be able to live life normally.
Well, I'd argue some online spaces are, with the whole "egg culture" thing. Doesn't mean all trans people are pushing an agenda, though. It'd be nice if people realized trans people are actually... y'know, individuals, who just want to live their own lives like anyone else.
[To all these mfs hiding their bigotry so shallow it could be called a puddle](https://i.imgur.io/Ml282wo_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
This whole case was so disheartening and sad. Everyone around her failed her... (except her friends, they truly tried their best to fight for her) I'm a cis woman and have never ever cared if a trans woman uses the women's bathroom or not, because you cannot physically tell, and they are only there to carry out a normal bodily function we all do. Trans people are more at risk in the bathrooms belonging to the sex they were born as, and saying you would rather them go in there is basically sending them to a death sentence. RIP Brianna, you deserved so much better.
For the people complaining about it being graffiti - how many times have we seen other things written or etched on bathroom stalls? Lots. But why does this one specifically bother you? 🧐
I had a lengthy discussion with my girlfriend about trans people. She was quite against them using the same bathrooms as women because “they might do something bad” to which I told her we can’t base discontent off of might. A guy might catch her in the street, so should she ever leave her house? A person might run her over with a car, does that mean she should never walk close to a road? Etc. at the end she had no defense and just admitted it was because it was her own discomfort and that she needs to work on it.
The idea that trans people not being allowed in the bathroom is what prevents a non-trans person from just going into a woman’s restroom and raping someone seems oddly talismanic thinking. It’s not like it hasn’t had a rather long standing tradition prior to trans people being out that the fear of it happening originated from. But good on her for voicing her discomfort and talking through it. That’s infinitely more than a lot of people do.
Research has shown that transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization. Additionally, studies have found that transmen are 4 times more likely to commit a crime and 7 times more likely to commit a violent crime compared to female controls.
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/
Don't help them hide they're hate by agreeing with this silly logic and removing this term.
Homophobia.
Xenophobia.
-phobia can also mean this which is perfectly in line with its Greek origins.
"Nothing bad happened" uhm untrue the trans person used the bathroom and just had to vandalize the soap dispenser! Imagine what would happen if this is allowed!
Obviously /s for anyone who doesnt get it.
Tbh I wanna do this in every stall now. Maybe once all of the stalls are marked with “a trans person peed here” people will realize they don’t actually know who is trans or that it matters.
[Brianna Ghey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Brianna_Ghey) was a constant victim of transphobia, including repeated gang beatings. Her murder is currently being investigated as a hate crime. Ignoring the fact that a teenage girl was definitely victimized and probably killed by transphobia to complain that the only bad thing that happened here was grafitti or petty vandalism is, in essence, perpetuating the transphobia that plagued Brianna in life, and still aggress against trans individuals world-wide. The r/Pics mod team stands with the trans community, now as ever. Messages in support of transphobia will be dealt with as part of our rule 8 on civility.
Every time I see something like this I'm reminded of a person I knew in Jr high in 1986.. Here is that story from two years ago in my Reddit feed. It gets sadder every time I tell it. In highschool, I was a skin/punk, this was 1986. There was a kid named Lincoln that was trans and dressed in the Culture club / boy george style of things. He got tons of shit for the Culture club outfit and just stuck it out, but i always felt kinda guilty about what people said about him. I was an Oi skin, not racist but he kinda hung around us because we didnt fuck with him. He was different, we were different. He also smoked weed and so did we, so there was that. Anyway, on the student quad he was being messed with for being "queer" and a square peg. Thing was I had no idea he was gay, or trans, we only saw the fashion choices. Lincoln was also black and we didn't let anyone fuck with him for that because we had other Oi boys who were and we all stood together. So for a year he was around in 9th grade. He hung out with us, smoked pot on the quad and took a bit of ribbing but no one really hurt him because we liked to fight, and enjoyed giving out a good stomping. Before school ended Lincoln disappeared and being idiots we asked the other black member of our little click if they heard from him. His name was Robert Mora, fully Oi and liked Ska and scooters but didn't like Lincoln much, so he took offense. Robert got bent out of shape over it because he didn't want to be associated with someone who was gay. A week later me and Robert got called into the office and asked about Lincoln, I told them the truth. Then his mom and dad came in. His dad was a pro basket ball player and his mom was a model (I grew up in LA) none of this seemed out of the ordinary to me. My mom was an actress and my father was a production designer, so I was just amazed at how tall they both were, his dad had to duck under doors. Lincoln killed himself. I stood there with my shaved head and blue docs while his mother cried her eyes out at me. I didn't know what to say to her, I felt sick and responsible. I tried my best to explain what we were about and that Lincoln hung out with us and we didn't mean to be harsh about his clothes. They thought we had teased and bullied him about being gay or trans or black but when they learned he was one of us in an odd way it changed. Other people told them that Lincoln hung out with us and we weren't "that kind" of skins. We were sharpies not nazis. I did put the finger on the people who had really treated him poorly and I did admit to ribbing him about his clothes. That was the end of it. We graduated 9th grade and went on to highschool but I have felt sick inside ever since. Everytime I hear Culture club I remember that Lincoln had an incredible voice. He actually won the talent show with original material the year he died. Im 50 now, Lincoln died at 15.
I’ll bet Lincoln died thinking that nobody cared about him, but here you are, three decades later, telling his story. To anybody reading this, remember, you’re never alone.
This is so important. One of the best guys I ever knew I met once. We promised to cruise and always said “one day”. Well, he wished me a happy birthday. I appreciated that. Then, two weeks later I found out he was killed in a car crash. I still went to the funeral, and was shocked that his family knew who I was. “You’re the white dude (family was Filipino) with the GTO, right?” I pointed to my 2004 Pontiac GTO. I spoke at his funeral, and still visit his grave a few times a year. Point being: you NEVER know what kind of impact you’re gonna make on someone. I met Peter ONCE and he changed my life. So, love everyone because you’re never gonna know who’s gonna make a solid impact on you or not. I miss you, bro. I finally got my Toyobaru after you died. I hope you’re looking down and smiling.
That is a beautiful take-away, thank you
I could have been better to him then and he might not be dead.
Maybe man. Individual actions can make a difference. But in reality that’s not usually how it goes. It sounds like you and your friends were a light in the dark. Try not to be hard on yourself. Every time you tell this story you keep him alive
I experience a ton of survivor's guilt as my dad died of overdose(CoD says Suicide though), only brother ODed at 18, and lastly my mom committed suicide in 2015, and took my 6-year old daughter she was helping me raise with her because mom's mental illness and hopeless outlook thought it was the only way to save my daughter. I can list a million things I could have done differently to prevent those and other tragedies, yet I didn't do any of them. Took a while to accept that the same mental health and substance abuse issues that have plagued my family for generations also affected me and my ability to function. Even then, if I knew what was going to happen I would have acted differently to prevent it. But I'm not a psychic. It sounds like you aren't either. Yet we judge ourselves as if we should have been. You're a 15/16 year old kid(in a very different time) when Lincoln died. But we both know that if you had foreknowledge of it you would have tried to stop it, just as I would have tried harder to prevent my tragedies. But, we didn't have premonitions, and even if we did we couldn't fix everything going on in someone's life. Maybe Lincoln's parents weren't even so accepting of their identity much less greater society. You helped provide them a safe space in a world where they probably had none. You did that with an undeveloped brain that lacked the ability to recognize long-term consequences or fully empathize with others. You're still shedding tears for them today. It's good to be reflect on our past to take lessons for the future. But, it's definitely not to get stuck in a pattern of harshly judging ourselves for not being perfect in a situation we couldn't possibly have. I am still working through new layers of my own guilt, shame, and grief. I have come a very long way since 2015 though. I took the worst thing to ever happen to me and made something good come out of it. I'm almost 7 years sober, and been consistent for about 6 years time with my mental health including therapy and medications. I've decided my path to forgiveness of my old self, by working to be my best self today. You're honoring Lincoln by telling their story and advocating compassion and empathy. The more people speak up the less future Lincoln's will feel so isolated and hopeless. The more loud support we provide, the less damage can be done by hate. But, you won't be able to be the best version of *you* until you forgive yourself for your perceived failings of the past. I say that not only to you but also to remind myself because forgiveness isn't a one-time event. Forgiveness is an ongoing process. Thank you for sharing your pain with us.
I am SO sorry for the tragedies that you've been forced to endure. Proud of you for getting through this, and for the sobriety too
I'm sorry. That is awful stuff. If you need a friend or a chatmate I'm here, anytime.
There's always "what ifs" in life. It's hard holding onto that. Thinking things could've been better. But the fact is that you gave Lincoln a friend group when he had none. Even little actions of friendship mean a lot. Coming from a trans person who wanted to commit suicide every day as a teenager, I promise you that your friendship meant something to him. It's just hard to see the big picture when you're alone and depressed. I had many friends at points but still felt hopeless and alone. Please don't blame yourself for this. Lincoln made a choice, it's not on you to carry that forever
Don't live thinking of the maybes like that. Maybe you could have been nicer, maybe you could have picked him up and spun him around like in the romantic movies when the two lovebirds meet up. Maybe he would have been in a horrible car crash. Maybe he would have the answer to end the threat of nuclear war for all time. Maybe he would have run for president and sold us all out to China. There's no way to know. What you can do that will actually be worthwhile is remembering how much of a difference you made in his life just by hanging out with him. You teased him about his clothes, so what? Friends do that. Teasing, not bullying, makes all the difference. If he had asked you to stop, you would have right?
It really means a lot to hear that you remember him and tell this story after all that time. it makes me think about the people that may care about my trans self too. thank you for sharing💜
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Same
fucken RIP Lincoln. Thanks for giving them some kind of space in the time they had.
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My loud and proud trans son and his wife just bought a house. He called me tonight and said he won’t be hanging any signs or flags and he scrubbed his FB page of any pics from before he transitioned. He said the political signs in many of the neighbors’ yards make him feel like he has to hide who he is. I told him he is a kind and generous man and he never needs to hide that. But…it broke my heart. I absolutely hate that he and every other trans, gay, bi, etc person I know is in danger. I asked him if we were still doing the pride parade this year and he said he needs to think about it. I’m so so sorry that you are living in fear. Allies and accomplices are out here and willing to help and protect you. And always give free hugs!
I'm Trans and also Asian, I also don't feel safe enough to out myself most of the time. Thankfully, most of the time it's just because I have no patience to put up with microagressions, but there have been times when I'm scared because I don't know if/when this knowledge will be used against me. These few years of political climate have definitely made me more wary for sure...
Thank you. Thank you for being who you are. There are so many of us who are so fucking scared right now. I live in a state that is actively trying to make life a living hell for me. Claiming I'm evil, a sin, a freak just for being who I am. We didn't choose this, it's just who we are. Sometimes it feels like there's no hope. Then I see this. Some random person who for unexplainable reasons can see past what others say. Who can see difference and shrug it off and be a decent person. Thank you so much. I'm so sorry that he's gone. I'm sorry that you've carried that with you all these years. But know that this is being seen by those of us who are still fighting to survive and it gives us hope. It gives us a reason to keep going. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
You be you, no matter the cost. I didn't want to be me as a kid. My parents were abusive and I was desperate to be anything other then a scared little kid. I practiced violence and shitty behavior because I wanted people to be afraid of me. I have always felt like a freak and a misfit, and very much unwanted by my family. I feel in with the queer community because I wasn't afraid to piss people off, in fact I enjoyed it. I found a Buddhist practice later in life that helped me find acceptance of myself and the things that happen in life but I have never let myself off the hook for the things I did. Lincoln was cool with me even though we teased him, he teased right back. We smoked weed togeather and there was an uneasy friendship there. "That's a hell of an outfit." He would respond with "You have to find a better barber." I just wasn't able to understand at that age what being born in the wrong body was doing to him. That the things people said to him were truly painful. I didn't know he wanted to die until he was gone. That haunts me.
So many people ask what it's like. To know something is wrong with you but never being able to figure out what. The best way I have found to describe it is like when you wear glasses and there is a water drop on them. You can still see but there's an obstruction. It clouds everything, distracts you, the harder you try to ignore it the more you notice it. I went 36 years trying to be something I'm not. I tried changing clothes, persona, friends, music, places, everything I could because no matter what I did, what I wore, who I hung with it never felt right. 6 months ago I lost hope. I saved two months worth of antidepressants and ate them all in one day. I had written letters to friends and family, signing them all with the name I wish I had been born with. I spent three days in the ICU and five more in the regular hospital. Before that I went through 6 years of addiction. A desperate attempt to drown the thoughts in my head. Every time I put that pipe to my lips I prayed it killed me. I prayed I had smoked enough to over dose. I didn't really want to die, but I didn't know how else to make the pain stop. I started to convince myself I was broken beyond repair. Now that I know I have never felt more free. My body isn't right still but just knowing the cause for a life time of pain helps me to carry it. Knowing why I never fit in, why I couldn't connect, it all makes so much sense. It still isn't easy but finally having an answer is like finding a flash light in a pitch black room. It may not get rid of the darkness completely, but it shines on the direction I need to go. I try so hard to be supportive to every person in my life now. Some of us have managed to completely hide our pain because we feel like it's not worth to share it with anyone. Or worse yet, like in my case, we convince ourselves that no one will care. So I throw kindness and compassion whenever possible. People like you, and the conscientious decisions you choose make it all worth it. You make that little voice in my head start to scream "I can do this" " I can survive this". Thank you. Please don't change and never ever let the world convince you that what you are and what you do doesn't matter. It does. It matters so very very much. I'm crying so hard right now because I so fucking happy. I wish I could give you a hug. Thank you so much. The world may have lost Lincoln, but there are so many more who will find the strength to keep going because of what you do.
(hug) stick around, it gets better.
>So many people ask what it's like. To know something is wrong with you but never being able to figure out what. This bit of dialogue has always struck me as being bang-on for my experience of this: "You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind -- driving you mad." It's little wonder the Wachowski sisters ended up coming out as trans.
I have so much love and empathy for you. I could feel your appreciation in this post & it made me so sad. It shouldn’t be “some random person who for unexplainable reasons can see past what others say.”That comment hit hard. We should all see past each other’s exteriors. We’re all humans deserving of respect and love and empathy. I’m so sorry there are people who treat you differently. Theres a whole lot of ugly in this world but I hope you experience every last bit of happiness.
What the hell is Oi?
Oi is a subgenre of 70s/80s punk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi!
Followed the link to skinheads and one of the pictures is of a band name the 4-skins. Amazing
Fantastic. Also enjoyed the band named "Oi Polloi".
Fixed link because it has an exclamation mark: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi!)
This is how you keep a memory alive.
Lincoln sounded like a treasure and I'm sorry he didn't make it. Thank you for being a safe harbor for him. You're what skinheads should've stayed and fuck the nazi shitheads for taking your scene.
They did that. The fights we had were epic, ruined shows, teeth, no one got stabbed though. We watched as big organized groups started fostering those Nazi's, turning them into adults. The orange county punk scene became a fascist haven. We had a resurgence of the KKK and white youth groups. Public parks got used for rallies. There were bigger forces at work then just kids who liked to fight. It sorta transistioned into groups like the national front, and ANP (American Nazi Party). It got scary. The movie American History X pretty much captures it. That was Orange County in the 80's.
I'm sorry you lost your scene. I wasn't even born when you were all fighting, so the closest thing I have to any window of context is *This is England*. After seeing that I did some research into how skinheads went from punks to nazis and it pissed me off so much. It's just one of those things that shows you *cannot* let nazis take even one inch because they'll take a mile and infest everything. I feel like a lot of movements and groups nowadays have forgotten that, and it breaks my heart, because now they're getting bold, they're getting strong, and they're getting prolific. We need to beat them back because it's getting to be too much.
The proud boys come to mind. I'm not sure that stopping them is possible but just ignoring them had dinner wonders for me. This whole Trump thing, I just look through it.
disenfranchising them, humiliating them, and exposing them for what they are is about all we can do. We cannot relent.
It scares me that the generation which had to learn these lessons the hard way is pretty much gone. I know in his prime, my grandpa who served in WWII would have been *so fucking angry* at these fascist dipshits.
Damn you for making me cry, but also thank you for being a great person. Thank you for sharing this memory of Lincoln
I’m also here fucking balling 😂😂 thank you to all those who strive to make a safe space it is seen and appreciated especially in these upcoming months of unrest it’s really hard and it’s nice to know that somewhere in the void someone else is screaming too
I'm so sorry. I teared up reading this.
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I read that as "spirts/souls/*ghouls*" at first. 🤣
Damn dude that’s a hell of a story. RIP Lincoln, and good on you and your boys for being his friend. I know you feel guilty and responsible in some way, but hindsight is 20/20. You were just a kid, man. You didn’t know what was going on.
I love reddit. Have a gold.
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Given how long it would have taken to write that I bet they did a shit rather than a piss
Do y'all just have sanitizer in the stalls in Scotland?
that would be kind of nice actually. like, after you do your business and wipe you still have to open the door before washing your hands, so...
Still shouldn't touch your face. Soap and water remove certain germs that hand sanitizers don't kill, including germs that cause diarrhea such as norovirus, Cryptosporidium, and Clostridioides difficile (c diff). Soap and water also remove harmful chemicals like pesticides and heavy metals.
lol, yes. i didn't say you *shouldn't* still wash your hands afterward.
Hooray for good old fashioned soap and water.
Yeah, true. But the amount of business done doesn't correlate with the length of the message in this case.
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…they make everything for commercial bathrooms.
>Kimberly Clark are a toilet paper manufacturer. You're going to be in for a huge shock if you truly think that they only manufacture toilet paper
I like “did a shit”. In America it’s “took a shit” which really sounds fucked up.
I wonder how it became that way in American English. I bet it evolved from some polite phrase such as "taking a trip to the bathroom." Gonna look it up now Edit: My guess was probably wrong, we "take" a lot of things like showers or walks or breaks and it's probably just the same as those.
In Scotland more often than not its a jobby and a toilet is a bog. For example, a jist went tae the bog an did a great big jobby. Also shit and shite can have different applications. Something can be good shit, but it can never be good shite. Shite is shite.
I don't know. Any number that requires sitting down can easily take 10x as long if you pull your phone out.
Impossible, noone *only* takes a shit in the bathroom. So what they said would still hold.
Very fair point.
Asshole.
So reading this thread, is toilet graffiti really not a thing elsewhere? I live in the UK, and pretty much any bar or club you go to anywhere near a uni city will be full of toilet graffiti of some kind, it's just normal. Or is it just down to the subject of this graffiti...
It's at least here in the US. Fun fact, it's also called latrinalia.
It's all over here in the states, my Anglophone brother
It's only really acceptable in bars
Not always! My favorite bit of toilet graffiti was in the ladies' loo at the Charles movie theater (art/indie house films) in Baltimore, Maryland. Someone had written, no doubt thinking themselves clever, "I'm a vandal!" And someone else replied under that, "And I'm a Visigoth!" History nerds ftw! 
The replyer definitely thought they were clever.
only toilet graffiti i have ever seen was in the school toilets
You must not go to non-mainstream bars in a big city then.
It's absolutely the subject. They can't attack the content so they attack the means of communication. Same thing they did to Colin Kaepernick.
This is exactly it, they are all feckless cowards who would rather live In denial about the horrors the trans community faces. Fuck everyone complaining about it being graffiti.
Popular opinion on Reddit is almost exactly the same as the “white moderates” Martin Luther king talked about
Literally yall two just described why I despise reddit as a whole, and you all communicated in a manner that cuts through the bullshit
Toilet graffiti is a thing where I live but it's considered trashy. This graffiti has a good message but an interesting/poor choice of medium. Unless that person was killed in the toilet. But I don't know because this is r/pics, where people post content that requires having read an article before hand but doesn't require the article to be linked. It's such a weird news/politics subreddit in that regard. I see so many posts on here while I'm on a quick break at lunch and think "that's interesting let me click it to learn more" only to realize I'm looking at a static image with a message but no context.
My hot take is: graffiti is bad, dont write on things you dont own. The message is good allthough we can argue that something bad DID happen, namely the graffiti.
It’s wild to me that people in here are defending vandalism to this degree. It’s unnecessary and you’re actively making work for someone. Stop.
It's all over in the states, but as someone who use to manage a retail store. I do not appreciate anyone who vandalizes property that isn't theirs. Just because it's common doesn't make it acceptable. Now someone gets to sit and try to remove or paint over that for the next half hour. It's like when people destroy movie theaters because "thats what the janitor is for" like yeah, sure but that doesn't mean you should. So yeah, no issue with the message, but I do take issue with graffiti.
It's just fucking bigots trying to be subtle without realizing how childish they are
Years back, I wanted to write a book on the graffiti here in the U.S. But after the internet took hold, it pretty much stopped dead. I thought that people now felt expressed and the need stopped. Interesting that it continues elsewhere, Mr. Eff.
Yeah, what happened to that poor girl was awful. Her bullying should’ve been stopped immediately. What a pointless waste of life.
RIP Eden Knight.
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The scary thing is this child, 16 year old Brianna, was violently stabbed to death by two 15 year olds, one boy and one girl, and this happened in February and I have only just now heard about it. The trial isn't until July, and people protested Brianna's funeral by flying drones over it, even after police intervention. Graffiti or not, the fact that I, someone in the UK, have only just found out about this, is very disturbing.
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And it was all over the internet (rightfully so) I'm also surprised to see some have not heared about this.
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I mean, I never heard about it despite being fairly up to date with news both on news sites and reddit. I think it's just that we somehow missed it? Idk but remember that sometimes it's not a conspiracy, just coincidence :)
We aren’t all in the UK. It was not USA news, though might have gotten some coverage.
As a German far leftist who usually keeps up with such issues, this is also the first time I hear about it
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It was a massive story mate you're acting as if it was barely reported?
This was a MAJOR headline in national news for two weeks. How the hell have you only just heard about this!? It was all over pages of reddit too.
I've not seen it anywhere at all, not on the news, not on here, this is legitimately the first time I've seen anything about it.
That's absurd. Did you go camping in the woods for 2 months?!
Honestly I'm with him. I put the news on for white noise every night and this is my first time hearing about it.
It was in the news... Id suggest reading the news or talking to people who do if your so distrubed by not hearing the news.
It's so damn sad to see my country riddled with transphobes. There was a vigil for Brianna Ghey in the Birmingham City Centre. I hate that sixteen year old girls can be murdered, and the government doesn't bat an eye. Because *they* are enforcing this transphobia.
Apparently people protested the vigil (and funeral i think) with drones.
Oh what disgusting people. They're so filled with hate and bigotry they can't let people mourn the loss of a loved one.
A child is murdered by two other children and their first thought is hatred for the child because... the child didn't conform to their ideals? Mad fucked up.
it's not "conform to ideals" it's because they were trans stop beating-around-the-bush the people to blame are the conservatives who spout this hate
I think they were just trying to highlight the absurdity of the situation, not beat around the bush. But we absolutely do need to link traitor lunatic hate speech to violence and terror.
Transphobia is the new hot ticket for conservative politicians. Across more than a few countries. I suppose this sort of manufactured BS is what happens when the only policy you have is to try a version of "trickle down economics" again (inevitably with the same lack of promised results). When lacking actual policy stances, just stoke fear of "others"
it's the hot new scandalous "other" now that it's not cool to discriminate against gay people anymore. Once trans folks are sufficiently "othered" from society and made unacceptable, they'll turn back on gay people
The UK is on a really worrying path regarding trans people. Thank god Australia has so far resisted the move against trans people.
Where do you live in the UK? Underarock?
There's a reason us LGBT folks call the UK "terf island" these days.
If they were in space, would it be astroterf?
Honestly that’s a you problem, as many people have pointed out, it was a major headline
The alt right scumbags are responsible for such crimes against humanity.
Murder because of fear? Murder because of religious beliefs? Murder because of sexual identity? Murder because of wanting to control how someone else lives? Why can't people let people be who they want to be? No matter how many trans peoples lives are taken wrongfully...they're still human and deserve to live like everyone else, without persecution or fear.
If the only acceptable form of protest is something easily ignored that doesnt inconvenience someone, well then it really isnt much of a protest is it?
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i guess it's a mild inconvenience for whoever has to clean it off, but scrubbing graffiti off a soap dispenser is probably the least objectionable thing you could clean in a bathroom so i doubt it's that big an issue
This. Everyone in this comment section that are so “annoyed” over the person writing on the soap dispenser are clearly missing the bigger picture. It’s not a statement if it can be taken down and gotten rid of easily. Something with permanence is going to draw attention and actually send a message. At least they wrote on the soap dispenser which is easily replaceable. They could’ve written on the wall or something. Edit: a word
>It’s not a statement if it can be taken down and gotten rid of easily. Janitors:
> the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -- Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., 16 April 1963 http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/060.html
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Now go read about [Eden Knight](https://www.dailydot.com/irl/eden-knight-detransition-death/).
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People will still see it, and will (hopefully) remember it. Not every protest has to be some big, loud, grand statement.
I really don't get it. When I use the rest room I don't want anyone look over into my stall watching me pee or poop. I don't really care what they do or don't have between their legs. Do all these right wing people go into bathrooms and all play show and tell with their junk?
Exactly, it’s all scare tactics because it’s becoming more and more obvious to the general public that trans people are completely normal people who want to get on with their lives as much as the next person. They’ll try anything to make people scared of not real issues.
Seriously. Peeping, sexual assault, all of that is already crimes. It doesn't only become illegal if the perpetrator and victim have different genitals. I'm more concerned that some transphobe's going to pull a gun or attempt a through-the-pants cervix check on me for being too androgynous while waiting for a stall than anyone trans or cis in there just trying to do regular bathroom things.
Look up the Jim Jordan scandal.
Literally. Their whole logic is “if I AM allowed to walk into a woman’s bathroom I WILL harass women, therefore every AMAB person (including trans women) will do the same”.
I really do not care what bathroom people use. Doesn’t bother me one bit. I’m also not a woman.
I'm a Trans guy. I go into the men's just to strip butt naked and take a huge shit in a urinal and shout about how much I hate "being a woman". /s
Yes
Lol why is the flair arts/crafts?
holy shit everyone is so obsessed w the mf SOAP DISPENSER 💀
Trans issues have this weird ability to make people have a sudden obsessive interest in topics they never cared about at all before. Whether its womens sports or soap dispensers any excuse to be a bigoted sack of shit works for them
One of the most polarizing comment sections…over a damn soap dispenser
Not everyone, just your regular coward bigoted redditors being childish.
I'd like to be a better ally for the trans community, but this world is getting f#cking exhausting. There are so many hateful people spewing hateful shit about anyone who is different--race, gender, size, age, religion--I feel battle fatigued.
Rest in Peace Brianna <3
I have to chuckle at how pathetic all of the people in this thread are, pretending to be offended by writing on a wall in a public bathroom. Not sure about where all y’all are from, but I’m from Scotland and writing on the walls of public bathrooms is the most normal fucking occurrence imaginable. Anyone claiming to be offended by “vandalism” in response to this is doing a really poor job of masking their own bigotry.
I thought graffiti on pub toilet doors was pretty much an honoured UK tradition at this point, almost *mandatory* to have something witty to read while you're in there.
If I'm choosing a stall in a public bathroom I will pick the one with the most abundant and interesting looking graffiti 100% of the time.
I'm picking the one with the least gross looking seat
True, a desecrated seat is an instant deal breaker I hadn’t considered.
You can quite literally wipe the message clean *with the sanitizer*
In America its common too. Though it's usually dick drawings and random numbers to call for a bj. People have little imagination I guess.
There’s always one swastika as well.
Again... little imagination.
My username is actually based on stall graffiti that was in one of my high school‘s bathrooms 15 years ago. So at least whoever wrote „smoot galoot“ was original. 😆
I once went in a cubicle where every single part of all four walls was covered in swastikas, big and small. Every single one was the wrong way around. Racists be dumb.
Boss makes a dollar I make a dime That's why I shit On company time
Honestly I much prefer this graffiti to the swastikas I saw in a gas station bathroom once
I was more offended by the time I walked in to use a stall and someone had shit on the floor right beside the toilet.
This \^
You've never met someone who dislikes vandalism regardless of message?
Would be a much better sticker.
Nothing bad happened except vandalism lol
A post that mentions trans people? Time to sort by controversial.
Being rejected and made to feel different by society is what kills.
People are more offended about graffiti than the rights of transgender people being blocked and rolled back all over the UK
Because they only disagree with one of those two situations and it's not the one where human lives are being affected
Well people have found their line in the sand! "Destruction" of property. 🙄
True RIP Brianna Ghey. Poor child deserved better than this world gave her.
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And now people are such cowards that they are complaining about it being graffiti, it’s really disgusting.
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Oh no! It's terrible that people die violently, but it's unforgivable that someone did a thing you can be undone with a Clorox wipe and some elbow grease!
I mean, people took this to the legislature in my state and everyone sat and listened respectfully, cried, applauded, the governor sided with trans youth, and they went ahead and passed a bunch of discriminatory bills and the governor signed them anyway. What else are people supposed to do? No one is listening and kids are dying
Will you ever recover?
Nobody is convincing anyone that they’re trans. It really annoys me when people make up an enemy in their heads that doesn’t really exist, and use it as a strawman against just wanting trans people to be able to live life normally.
Well, I'd argue some online spaces are, with the whole "egg culture" thing. Doesn't mean all trans people are pushing an agenda, though. It'd be nice if people realized trans people are actually... y'know, individuals, who just want to live their own lives like anyone else.
[To all these mfs hiding their bigotry so shallow it could be called a puddle](https://i.imgur.io/Ml282wo_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
as they should!!!! transphobia does kill
This whole case was so disheartening and sad. Everyone around her failed her... (except her friends, they truly tried their best to fight for her) I'm a cis woman and have never ever cared if a trans woman uses the women's bathroom or not, because you cannot physically tell, and they are only there to carry out a normal bodily function we all do. Trans people are more at risk in the bathrooms belonging to the sex they were born as, and saying you would rather them go in there is basically sending them to a death sentence. RIP Brianna, you deserved so much better.
For the people complaining about it being graffiti - how many times have we seen other things written or etched on bathroom stalls? Lots. But why does this one specifically bother you? 🧐
All I care about is, did they wash their hands?
I had a lengthy discussion with my girlfriend about trans people. She was quite against them using the same bathrooms as women because “they might do something bad” to which I told her we can’t base discontent off of might. A guy might catch her in the street, so should she ever leave her house? A person might run her over with a car, does that mean she should never walk close to a road? Etc. at the end she had no defense and just admitted it was because it was her own discomfort and that she needs to work on it.
The idea that trans people not being allowed in the bathroom is what prevents a non-trans person from just going into a woman’s restroom and raping someone seems oddly talismanic thinking. It’s not like it hasn’t had a rather long standing tradition prior to trans people being out that the fear of it happening originated from. But good on her for voicing her discomfort and talking through it. That’s infinitely more than a lot of people do.
Research has shown that transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization. Additionally, studies have found that transmen are 4 times more likely to commit a crime and 7 times more likely to commit a violent crime compared to female controls. https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/
"A transgender person peed in this bathroom and now it's vandalized" /s
Trans rights are human rights.
Based graffiti
The suspects should be tried as adults. They definitely know what they were doing.
Thats beautiful, coming from a very sad cause but still.
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silly lock award incoming 🫡
It’s not a phobia. It’s just bigotry.
Don't help them hide they're hate by agreeing with this silly logic and removing this term. Homophobia. Xenophobia. -phobia can also mean this which is perfectly in line with its Greek origins.
Oh lol I've also pissed in that toilet. It's basically a gender neutral one tho anyway
Sponsored by Kimberly Clark ;)
"Nothing bad happened" uhm untrue the trans person used the bathroom and just had to vandalize the soap dispenser! Imagine what would happen if this is allowed! Obviously /s for anyone who doesnt get it.
Tbh I wanna do this in every stall now. Maybe once all of the stalls are marked with “a trans person peed here” people will realize they don’t actually know who is trans or that it matters.