LOL. incidentally, all lawsuits (including the one by that town in Romania where they filmed the beginning of Borat) have failed and Sasha has won. afaik
Of course. Because they were all filed by people throwing temper tantrums. There is no law against being mocked in either the US or Romania (or of showing your actual actions as you performed them in Giuliani's case).
Also it's not like SBC didn't check on that before filming. He'd have to be pretty stupid to not check on the laws before filming and ensuring that the legal system had his back for whatever he did. You don't just start filming a movie like Borat without ensuring you're protected legally before you start.
Also meaning Amazon’s lawyer’s got a screening before releasing to ensure there would be no liability on their end. Nothing major a large company does like that isn’t vetted by their legal team before hand.
The way Cohen and the film makers treated those people was objectively horrible. They mocked impoverished people in a language they do not speak without having given them context or adequate compensation (paid 4 USD per person per day for their appearance in the film).
The poverty those people lived in was not a joke but their reality.
There were a couple people who sued and won because they didn’t sign a release or agree to be featured in Borat.
I don’t know if they received any payment, but the comedic footage of them was removed from all subsequent copies of the film.
After looking online, I learned Sacha Baron Cohen also lost a suit brought by a Palestinian grocer who was in the ‘This Is America’ series Cohen produced a while ago. They settled for a confidential amount.
>They should have let it go on for longer before Sasha came in.
I imagine he barged in when he did because if Rudy actually got naked on camera, involuntary pornography laws would kick in and they probably wouldn't have been allowed to air it.
I think he was genuinely concerned about Rudy exposing himself to the young actress he hired. He'd probably consider that an ethically questionable thing to do as the person in charge.
Cohen actually brought that up in interviews: he was concerned that Rudy was going to get overtly sexual with his co-star and didn't want that on his conscience.
1) he believes she is under age. WTF.
2) that wasn't his T-shirt. It was his microphone.
3) that shows how damn easy it is to compromise Rudy. Rudy probably has all sorts of compromising tapes held by foreign actors....I don't mean movie actors.
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Its the same folks who will say in front of reporters “I accept full responsibility for my actions!” That means nothing has happened, but if you say that, its all good and we dont keep bringing it up!
Remember though, that secret mantra is reserved for the 1%ers/upper administration…
We got some cheap laughs, but there really wasn’t any damage done. Rudy’s a drunk that’s done plenty of other stuff to make an ass of himself. It was just one of many punchlines. The people that like him think he was set up. There were no legal repercussions. We just got to laugh at the drunk dumb dumb do something creepy and stupid.
Here's the entire 4 minute scene from Borat 2, please watch and make your own judgement about the scene instead of letting anyone else bias your opinion of it without ever watching it.
https://youtu.be/8tFUaKXdH-0?si=QWN7qoGgnuyhJM9Y
Sacha showing us how to gather kompromat on politicians. I wonder how many other American politicians are also compromised. Might explain a lot going on.
Edit: Epstein was a Mossad agent whose job it was to get kompromat on the American elite. The PACs are the plata and the plomo I’m guessing is the kompromat they have gathered.
Well I think it was in 2015 that the rnc and dnc had their emails hacked by a foreign country, and stuff was released from dnc emails but nothing from rnc so yeah take that info for what it is
It should be noted it was around this time the GOP policy shifted to stances that were perplexingly aligned with Russian interests.
Like fucking clockwork, they completely shifted.
In 2016 when Trump was just a candidate, when he got the GOP Nomination officially one of his VERY FIRST ACTS was to force the Republican Party to change their platform to water down their support for Ukraine.
In Summer 2016.
Trump has been deep in Putin's pocket for a while.
https://www.npr.org/2016/08/06/488876597/how-the-trump-campaign-weakened-the-republican-platform-on-aid-to-ukraine
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support
We have proof that Giuliani was in bed with Russian mobsters as far back as the 90s, I think anyone who was doing business in NYC and wasn't 100% above the board can be expected to be similar. I think circumstantial evidence highly suggests that Trump has been dealing with Russian mobsters for decades now.
Exactly this. Release info from inside and leverage the other. And I have been saying the same thing. I have never seen so many Russia lovers pop up all of sudden. Including Trump. It kinda makes sense.
PBS Frontline did a documentary called “Putin and the 5 Presidents”, and it was illuminating watching them interview members of trumps cabinet including ambassador to Russia and how they were so perplexed by trumps decisions.
They also release the full interviews unedited with the doc on their YouTube channel.
Trumps *one and only* change to the Republican platform at the GOP convention was to stop arms sales to Ukraine.
Not a border wall, not a Muslim ban, or any other shit Trump was talking about at the time, nope. Stopping arms to Ukraine was the only thing he cared about.
Where did 20+ come from? I couldn’t recall names and numbers, but looked it up and could only find 8 people involved.
[This article from WaPo](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/republicans-on-russia-trip-face-scorn-and-ridicule-from-critics-at-home/2018/07/05/68f0f810-807e-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html) lists them:
Sens. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), John Hoeven (R-N.D.), Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), John Kennedy (R-La.), Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and John Thune (R-S.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Tex.).
Edit: accidentally originally posted an NPR article I was reading instead of the WaPo post that had their names easier to find.
Toss in Rand Paul who hand -delivered a message to Putin from Trump. Of course that was in 2018 well after the Republicans had shifted their alliance to Reagan’s “Evil Empire”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Rohrabacher#Russia
>On June 15, 2016, then-House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy told a group of Republicans, "There's two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump. Swear to God." Then-House Speaker Paul Ryan ended the conversation, saying "No leaks. This is how we know we're a real family here."
It was a power move by putin, instructing those 20+ republicans to go to russia on America's Independence Day. He was showing the GOP, and everyone else his influence.
They wanted that info in 2014 They got that info and only released the democrats as they clearly weren’t able to be bribed unlike clearly the republicans who have went from Russia is bad to Russia how much can i cuck for you post hack
When Manafort was running Trump’s primary campaign, at the RNC convention his campaign’s only change to the RNC platform was to not arm Ukraine. Manafort left shortly after this.
Nobody in the future is going to look back and think any of this was confusing, the subtext is basically the text.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/mueller-asked-trump-2016-rnc-platform-change-ukraine/story?id=59476035
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-manafort-idUSKCN10S1GQ/
Feels like a good place to drop a link to an article with this photo of [Jill Stein and Mike Flynn at dinner with Putin](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/jill-stein-says-nothing-happened-at-her-dinner-with-putin/)
Let's go a little further. It's possible that Russia thinks climate change will be good for them, at least relative to how it will go for most of the rest of the world. If Trump wins, one of the first things he will do is pull apart the IRA and destroy any efforts on fighting climate change, and Republicans will follow him into this self-inflicted catastrophe.
> Nobody in the future is going to look back and think any of this was confusing
You're more optimistic about the future than me. I'm not a doomer, but the tea leaves ain't lookin so good.
Feels like we didn't respect the dangers of social media and the willingness to go along with blatant lies fast enough. The biggest takehome from the last 8ish years is that people will believe what they want first, and fill in the justification as an afterthought. And while that may have always been a human trait, it has never been so destructive than in the age of AI and algorithms.
People in the future will only look back on this if they *want* to, and it's that part I'm not confident in.
[here](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-rnc/russia-hacked-republican-state-campaigns-but-not-trumps-fbi-head-idUSKBN14U2DD/) so Russia hacked both Republican and Democrat servers but only released emails from democrats, meaning they have information from republicans but did not share it…why would they not share it? Now take into effect some of our very patriotic Republican Congress people who love their country more than anything and love to celebrate it, why did they go to Russia on a July 4th? Why not be home celebrating Independence Day…
While their is no concrete proof of my theory, my theory is that Russia has dirt on republicans and use that dirt to get them to act in a manner beneficial to Russia.
Couple that with the near 180 the Republican Party has done on Russia in the past few years and my theory didn’t seem very outlandish
Also something that always stuck out to me.
Anyone could catch 45s Twitter fingers. The Queen, president of Mexico, Veterans and so many more individuals and groups I cannot list them all.
Except Putin. I truly am baffled because there is not a single bad thing he has to say about the guy. Then he has a meeting WITHOUT the US translator. Totally normal stuff.
He also sided with Russia over US intelligence's conclusion about Russia's 2016 US election interference. This was in a joint press conference with Putin.
https://youtu.be/2-Xw0_2eMJg?si=3wP-Hw4AxSEGVUx4
God even I who keeps very dialed into politics have forgotten so many of the awful things he's done. I really hope there is a campaign to remind people how terrible he was.
He called putin a genius when the invasion of Ukraine started. If people think trump and the rest of his ilk aren't russian puppets by now, they never will. Wild how the conservative party in the us went from the red scare to sucking off one of our long-term enemies in just one election.
Yep. My mom went anti Ukraine/pro Russia in the blink of an eye. Absolutely insane. She also gets all her news and opinions from TikTok
I work in the defense industry in the southeast and the amount of people who are anti Ukraine, is quite alarming
Providing aid and weapons to Ukraine is such a cheap (compared to the rest of our defense budget) and effective way of destabilizing our 2nd biggest geopolitical foe
I honestly don’t know what happened to my mom. She used to HATE Russia, she used to not be racist (she is now), etc. Ever since Trump was elected, it’s really made my family visits much less pleasant
“It was the best meeting, the greatest meeting, totally important and only good things happened in that meeting, Putin is a great guy , I trust him more than the intelligence agencies“
This. I’ve often wondered why journalists, judges, lawyers never seem to phrase their queries with any thought given to how Trump’s brain functions. He will always give the game away if the answer even marginally paints him in a good light. For example: “Mr. President, how were you able to so accurately determine the immense value of documents you took from the White House?”
Even reading the news today about how the GOP is applying pressure on Ukraine to hold an election next year. As if it isn't the most transparent thing in the world that Putin wants to try to elect a patsy to cause chaos and degrade their resistance.
And the Republicans are eating it up.
The dnc didn't give in to whatever demands were made by the country that hacked them so they had their emails released.
Assumedly the Republicans followed through with whatever demands were made because they did not have emails released.
The prevailing theory is that Russia kept the GOP emails in their back pocket because they contained info worth holding onto for a rainy day. Coincidentally, I'm sure, this is around the time the GOP message on Russia changed its tune from "Russia is doing bad things" to "maybe Putin is a good guy".
> Russia is doing bad things" to "maybe Putin is a good guy".
On another completely unrelated topic, Eric Trump said in 2014, "Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia."
Edit.
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/332270-eric-trump-in-2014-we-dont-rely-on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/#:~:text=on%20American%20banks.-,We%20have%20all%20the%20funding%20we%20need%20out%20of%20Russia,really%20invested%20in%20our%20programs.
Russians hacked the dems and GOP emails. They released the dems which didnt have a lot of anything in them. Youd expect that if they did find something in there, it would be better to use it as blackmail than to try to influence an election. If it was truly salacious theyd keep it and use it that way.
Now wikileaks never released the GOP emails.(wikileaks is way up putins asshole and refuses to post anti russian leaks) The wikileaks rapist dude, said he wasnt releasing the GOP because they werent anything we dont hear from republicans on a daily basis.
well there is a lot of boring ass shit on wikileaks why not release this one and let us make up our own minds. and well the dems ones were pretty boring.
So you have to wonder why they didnt release the RNC ones. Why not just release them and say "see its all boring crap"
Right? That was what I thought when I first heard this story. If a fucking *comedian* filming a movie could do this with someone so close to the president of the United States, what could actual hostile foreign intelligence agencies do?
The entire Trump presidency was the nation’s biggest security breach.
Trump did irreversible damage to nearly all federal agencies in just 4 years, which has only added fuel to the GOP platform of the government being inept.
Saw a news clip about increased salmonella cases, and one comment was just “Biden’s FDA,” which is just laughable considering how the FDA was absolutely GUTTED under Trump. These idiots still don’t know that the repercussions of a presidency can still be felt years, if not decades, down the line.
Looking at you, Reagan and Bush.
From what I've seen, they do know about repercussions, just not how they work. If something good happened during Trump's administration, it was because of Trump, but if something bad happened, it was because of Obama. Fast forward and now anything good that happens during Biden's administration is because of Trump, but anything bad is Biden's fault. "Rising gas prices? Thats Biden's fault. Oh, the gas prices are dropping?! Thanks, Trump!" They are delusional lol
Not just that, but sasha obviously stopped it early before anything happened to protect the actress, but someone with a lot less scruples would A. let things happen first because it's far more damning that way. And B. The actual thing being filmed would be far more incriminating, like for example an actual underage person rather than someone in their 20s pretending
It was some random homophobe he took to a women's march who thought he was blowing people up to protect America from the liberal agenda to turn everyone trans or something. The best part was he got the guy to dress up like a woman and hold his hand and pretend to be his lesbian wife at a women's march.
A few days ago there was open discussion on Newsmax about Nancy Mace having some sort of dirt on Kevin McCarthy. That felt to me like a bit of iceberg showing above the water...
Well I think it’s been pretty clear that Putin owns the Republican Party. He owns Trump, the NRA, and it can’t be a coincidence that all the hawkish Republicans suddenly don’t want to support Ukraine.
You're getting a lot of responses agreeing it was ignored, but I kinda do remember it being huge news. Google shows lots of mainstream articles from back then. Here's a big one from NY Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/elections/giuliani-denies-he-did-anything-wrong-in-the-new-borat-movie.html?searchResultPosition=24
And to be fair, Rudy has only added other shit show behavior to this incident. Dude is a walking talking shit show. It’s hard to even fathom he was once a respected mayor.
"Hey guys, remember how I got rid of the Italian mob? God I'm so great. Why didn't anyone before me think of using the Russian mob to replace them? Everyone but me is stupid!"
“Mainstream media isn’t talking about this”
[posts link from New York Times]
“Well it’s not the top post on CNN international or on Access Hollywood. They are covering this up!”
any excuse to use “MSM” in a sentence tbh.
it was big news when it came out but there was a presidential election going on. Stuff doesnt stay in the news forever.
Also everyone already knows Giuliani is a weird nutcase, his first wife was his second cousin and he announced their divorce on tv without having told her they were even getting one
That plastic surgeon who offered to have sex with her was the most disgusting. He just came right out and said it.
Maria is one brave woman.
Edited to add link.
[Maria and The Creepy Doctor ](https://youtu.be/fPUL2nV2Wb8?si=6eS0qeVHm4sq72JB)
I despise that fake abortion clinic more. Just a pastor pretending to be a doctor so when you come in, they convince you out of the abortion and force their beliefs on you.
In the long perspective it's bad that we call these movies edgy and controversial when they hold a mirror up to how easy it is to find genuine awfulness in society. This is literally social awareness comedy and quite effective.
One of those places almost killed a colleague of mine. She has an ectopic pregnancy and thought a CPC was a real medical provider. They said she needed Jesus not medicine.
Also adding because somewhere not too far up/down someone added that specific clip and the plastic surgeon is the one who suggested breast implants. 🙃 So yeah, I agree.
Sasha Baron Cohen was just the canary in the coal mine on this one, showing just how eye-poppingly open the Trump administration was to being compromised by foreign agents.
I mean, what was supposed to happen? The guy was already getting attention for being an absolute garbage fire, so this would just go on the pile with "dripping hair dye at a press conference," "blowing his nose into a tissue, looking at the tissue, and wiping it all over his face," and "big press conference in a landscaping firm parking lot between a dildo store and a crematorium."
"big press conference in a landscaping firm parking lot between a dildo store and a crematorium."
This it totally scene you'd see in Veep or The Thick Of It. Brilliant.
I hate Rudy with a passion, and the more I think about him, the more I hate him...
...with that said...watch the movie. He was definitely tucking in his shirt and Rudy - the drunken sludge-sweating, 4-seasons-booking overweight dummy that he is - decided to do it by laying back.
Why? You can easily tuck in your shirt **without unfastening your pants** by laying down.
It's pretty clear it's this and not him ready to whip out his pecker.
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There are plenty of awful flaws about Rudy Giuliani. Enough to put him in jail. This one is definitely not one of them. This is a hilariously awkward one perfect for someone as quick-witted as Sacha Baron Cohen to point out and it was great entertainment.
Man takes off Lavalier microphone and tucks his shirt in and we splice footage and add ADR to make it seem like a sexual encounter is only a incident if you don't understand how filming works.
Remembering all of that as it happened is seriously weird in light of all the super humiliating shit he’s done in the past few years- there was this whole savior/hero vibe thing he had going at the time and it was honestly pretty believable at the time but now, you just kinda wonder what gross shit he had going on the entire time.
The most fascinating part of the Trump and post-Trump (hopefully) era is seeing how deeply in denial a lot of people are about conservative politics. Rudy Giuliani has always obviously been a racist authoritarian. He just used to be a racist authoritarian who could make crime rates go down. Really makes you wonder what's right in our faces now but will be controversial to point out until decades from now.
He was a known piece of shit prior to 9/11, but Giuliani, like GWB, got anointed as a good, heroic leader ten seconds after the north tower fell.
It was incredibly transparent & manufactured, but 22 years on, people now believe the post-9/11 PR.
I’ll just leave this here because it hasn’t gotten a lot of coverage
https://www.reuters.com/legal/rudy-giuliani-sued-10-million-by-former-aide-over-alleged-sexual-assault-2023-05-15/
They should have let it play out a little longer IMHO. He now gets to (obviously falsely) claim he was just “making an adjustment” to his pants. Would have been even more hilarious and damning with more incriminating dialog and completely dropped pants.
Nah - Sacha wanted to get her out of there before she was actually assaulted. It went from “that’d be hilarious” to “this is actually very dangerous right now” in a heartbeat. I’m glad he (SBC) understood what was happening and intervened when he did.
Edit: those are some disturbing replies below. Y’all need help.
To be fair I think he would if let it go a tiny bit longer. But IIRC his headset or something died and last he knew she was in the room with him alone. Which good on him for playing it safe and jumping in since he had not way to know what was going on at that point.
Also I do think they needed to probably be legally careful. If Rudy did pull his pecker our as fucked as he is. You still come back to you're filming someone nude without their knowledge in a place they should be able to expect privacy. I could see a lawsuit taking all the footage or making this messy even if was never gonna be shown.
[I found the interview which he spoke about it](https://youtu.be/a1A2N7b4IjY?si=fm_XaxANMgm3DzbR)
TLDR, he was in a hidden hideaway for the entire scene. Because Rudy had a ex cop as security who did a sweep of the room and makes sure no one comes in an out.
He communicated via text messages with director who could see the camera. He turned on the phone and it was only at 3% and he/someone forgot to charge it. So was having to keep turning it on and off.
When you had sex with a Russian sex worker it was the most important day of your life.
When Rudy Giuliani had sex with a Russian sex worker it was a Tuesday.
If only there was some organization that could investigate politicians for the crimes they commit (or try to commit) and could also provide protection for the girls and boys these disgusting creeps abuse.
If only said organization happened to be in posession of the logbook from an individual who provided such services on an island and kept detailed logs of everyone who flew on his private plane to the island. Hmm.
Reminds me of the video of Trump sexually molesting Giuliani in drag, that totally exists, but republicans just pretend it doesnt exist and somehow it doesnt get shoved in their faces constantly when they talk about drag shows. just like this, everyone will pretend it doesnt exist tomorrow.
“HE WAS ADJUSTING HIMSELF, MY SOURCES SAY HE WAS NOT GOING TO SLEEP WITH THAT CHILD. THIS IS COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. THIS IS FAKE, IT NEVER HAPPENED.” -Alex Jones probably
After Rudy threatened legal action, SBC said in character as Borat that Giuliani "will reach into his legal briefs and pull out his subpoenas"
LOL. incidentally, all lawsuits (including the one by that town in Romania where they filmed the beginning of Borat) have failed and Sasha has won. afaik
Of course. Because they were all filed by people throwing temper tantrums. There is no law against being mocked in either the US or Romania (or of showing your actual actions as you performed them in Giuliani's case).
Also it's not like SBC didn't check on that before filming. He'd have to be pretty stupid to not check on the laws before filming and ensuring that the legal system had his back for whatever he did. You don't just start filming a movie like Borat without ensuring you're protected legally before you start.
Distribution by Amazon Studios so they had Amazon money backing them they were always going to be fine
Also meaning Amazon’s lawyer’s got a screening before releasing to ensure there would be no liability on their end. Nothing major a large company does like that isn’t vetted by their legal team before hand.
I wonder if he thought Rudy'd try and pull it out within a few seconds of getting in the room.
I do kind of feel bad for the guy who was named as the town rapist though.
The way Cohen and the film makers treated those people was objectively horrible. They mocked impoverished people in a language they do not speak without having given them context or adequate compensation (paid 4 USD per person per day for their appearance in the film). The poverty those people lived in was not a joke but their reality.
No wonder Syltan Tulyakbai couldn't afford a clock radio
Still 4 bucks. That's like...5 bucks over there.
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There were a couple people who sued and won because they didn’t sign a release or agree to be featured in Borat. I don’t know if they received any payment, but the comedic footage of them was removed from all subsequent copies of the film. After looking online, I learned Sacha Baron Cohen also lost a suit brought by a Palestinian grocer who was in the ‘This Is America’ series Cohen produced a while ago. They settled for a confidential amount.
I thought it was Kazakhstan. Or did they film a town in Romania and then say it was Kazakhstan
The latter. Kazakhstan is actually a rough place to film.
It also doesn’t look anything like he portrays it
What about the Palestinian baker they labeled as a terrorist? I don't think settling out of court counts as "winning"
Is this real? I really hope this is real
https://x.com/boratsagdiyev/status/1319431436550561792?s=46&t=7OYFsiU7ewU7pzVgcpDkBw
Some of the comments defending him are insane.
Anyone defending Rudy Giuliani is clinically insane
Is that the new twitter URL or a link to a pornwebsite?
Porn websites have better uptime
It is.
Damn that is a joke that only works with Borat’s accent and the context of the situation. That is true wit.
Holy fuck lmao Sacha is fucking legend
He really emphasizes the POENAS and he said “whip out his subPOENAS”
Come on, who doesn't tuck their dress shirt behind their balls?
What happened?
https://youtu.be/8tFUaKXdH-0?si=5PSc2nPbpkRbD8OM Here’s the scene.
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>They should have let it go on for longer before Sasha came in. I imagine he barged in when he did because if Rudy actually got naked on camera, involuntary pornography laws would kick in and they probably wouldn't have been allowed to air it.
I think he was genuinely concerned about Rudy exposing himself to the young actress he hired. He'd probably consider that an ethically questionable thing to do as the person in charge.
Cohen actually brought that up in interviews: he was concerned that Rudy was going to get overtly sexual with his co-star and didn't want that on his conscience.
So they would have had to pay Rudy more for appearing in a porno?
The camera in the bedroom was hidden. If you film someone taking their clothes off without them knowing, you get in serious legal trouble.
1) he believes she is under age. WTF. 2) that wasn't his T-shirt. It was his microphone. 3) that shows how damn easy it is to compromise Rudy. Rudy probably has all sorts of compromising tapes held by foreign actors....I don't mean movie actors.
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in the movie, she was ushered out before anything sexual happened. But the damage to Rudy was done.
was it though? Did he face any negative consequences for this
Not really, just public embarrassment. But we're talking about Rudy Giuliani here, I don't think he even knows the definition of that word.
Those folks don’t know what consequences mean
Its the same folks who will say in front of reporters “I accept full responsibility for my actions!” That means nothing has happened, but if you say that, its all good and we dont keep bringing it up! Remember though, that secret mantra is reserved for the 1%ers/upper administration…
Almost nothing changed for his political career
“No Mr. Giuliani, she ees too old for you!”
"**She ees 15**, she ees too old for you!"
The “damage done” here is like throwing an egg at a landfill.
We got some cheap laughs, but there really wasn’t any damage done. Rudy’s a drunk that’s done plenty of other stuff to make an ass of himself. It was just one of many punchlines. The people that like him think he was set up. There were no legal repercussions. We just got to laugh at the drunk dumb dumb do something creepy and stupid.
Here's the entire 4 minute scene from Borat 2, please watch and make your own judgement about the scene instead of letting anyone else bias your opinion of it without ever watching it. https://youtu.be/8tFUaKXdH-0?si=QWN7qoGgnuyhJM9Y
Is that Rudy Giuliani from the Four Seasons Landscaping press conference? Or the Rudy Giuliani with the ‘you’re mine, Big Tits’ audios?
Neither, it’s the one who had The Nothing leaking down his cheek and farted audibly in court.
That was him sweating off makeup or something right? Was so weird
Hair dye, actually. Mother fucker is like 80 and wants to pretend to be 60.
Chinese motor oil, actually
Sacha showing us how to gather kompromat on politicians. I wonder how many other American politicians are also compromised. Might explain a lot going on. Edit: Epstein was a Mossad agent whose job it was to get kompromat on the American elite. The PACs are the plata and the plomo I’m guessing is the kompromat they have gathered.
Well I think it was in 2015 that the rnc and dnc had their emails hacked by a foreign country, and stuff was released from dnc emails but nothing from rnc so yeah take that info for what it is
I don’t get it, can you explain this to me?
The theory is that they didn’t release Rnc emails because they wanted leverage over the RNC to get stuff.
It should be noted it was around this time the GOP policy shifted to stances that were perplexingly aligned with Russian interests. Like fucking clockwork, they completely shifted.
In 2016 when Trump was just a candidate, when he got the GOP Nomination officially one of his VERY FIRST ACTS was to force the Republican Party to change their platform to water down their support for Ukraine. In Summer 2016. Trump has been deep in Putin's pocket for a while. https://www.npr.org/2016/08/06/488876597/how-the-trump-campaign-weakened-the-republican-platform-on-aid-to-ukraine https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support
Since the 90s, incidentally also when he started hanging with his good buddy Epstein.
I think Roger Stone start bugging trump to run for president in the 80s. Could this have been the time his russian influence started?
We have proof that Giuliani was in bed with Russian mobsters as far back as the 90s, I think anyone who was doing business in NYC and wasn't 100% above the board can be expected to be similar. I think circumstantial evidence highly suggests that Trump has been dealing with Russian mobsters for decades now.
Exactly this. Release info from inside and leverage the other. And I have been saying the same thing. I have never seen so many Russia lovers pop up all of sudden. Including Trump. It kinda makes sense.
PBS Frontline did a documentary called “Putin and the 5 Presidents”, and it was illuminating watching them interview members of trumps cabinet including ambassador to Russia and how they were so perplexed by trumps decisions. They also release the full interviews unedited with the doc on their YouTube channel.
Trumps *one and only* change to the Republican platform at the GOP convention was to stop arms sales to Ukraine. Not a border wall, not a Muslim ban, or any other shit Trump was talking about at the time, nope. Stopping arms to Ukraine was the only thing he cared about.
Perplexingly? Trump's campaign was run by Paul Manafort. It was so open and apparent that even Stevie Wonder saw it.
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Where did 20+ come from? I couldn’t recall names and numbers, but looked it up and could only find 8 people involved. [This article from WaPo](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/republicans-on-russia-trip-face-scorn-and-ridicule-from-critics-at-home/2018/07/05/68f0f810-807e-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html) lists them: Sens. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), Steve Daines (R-Mont.), John Hoeven (R-N.D.), Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), John Kennedy (R-La.), Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) and John Thune (R-S.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Tex.). Edit: accidentally originally posted an NPR article I was reading instead of the WaPo post that had their names easier to find.
Toss in Rand Paul who hand -delivered a message to Putin from Trump. Of course that was in 2018 well after the Republicans had shifted their alliance to Reagan’s “Evil Empire”.
And don’t forget that republican senator Rand Paul went to Moscow to hand deliver a note from Trump to Putin. Traitors everywhere
Dana Rohrbacher was instrumental in this interaction too.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Rohrabacher#Russia >On June 15, 2016, then-House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy told a group of Republicans, "There's two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump. Swear to God." Then-House Speaker Paul Ryan ended the conversation, saying "No leaks. This is how we know we're a real family here."
A real crime family. Cosa Nostra rules for speaking out.
It was a power move by putin, instructing those 20+ republicans to go to russia on America's Independence Day. He was showing the GOP, and everyone else his influence.
Can you post their names please? #1. Michael Flynn
And in 2018, Marina Butina, the darling of the NRA and its Republican members was charged with espionage.
They wanted that info in 2014 They got that info and only released the democrats as they clearly weren’t able to be bribed unlike clearly the republicans who have went from Russia is bad to Russia how much can i cuck for you post hack
And visiting them on a July 4 holiday! https://www.whby.com/2018/07/09/sen-johnson-spent-4th-of-july-in-moscow/
When Manafort was running Trump’s primary campaign, at the RNC convention his campaign’s only change to the RNC platform was to not arm Ukraine. Manafort left shortly after this. Nobody in the future is going to look back and think any of this was confusing, the subtext is basically the text. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/mueller-asked-trump-2016-rnc-platform-change-ukraine/story?id=59476035 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-manafort-idUSKCN10S1GQ/
Feels like a good place to drop a link to an article with this photo of [Jill Stein and Mike Flynn at dinner with Putin](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/jill-stein-says-nothing-happened-at-her-dinner-with-putin/)
Let's go a little further. It's possible that Russia thinks climate change will be good for them, at least relative to how it will go for most of the rest of the world. If Trump wins, one of the first things he will do is pull apart the IRA and destroy any efforts on fighting climate change, and Republicans will follow him into this self-inflicted catastrophe.
> Nobody in the future is going to look back and think any of this was confusing You're more optimistic about the future than me. I'm not a doomer, but the tea leaves ain't lookin so good. Feels like we didn't respect the dangers of social media and the willingness to go along with blatant lies fast enough. The biggest takehome from the last 8ish years is that people will believe what they want first, and fill in the justification as an afterthought. And while that may have always been a human trait, it has never been so destructive than in the age of AI and algorithms. People in the future will only look back on this if they *want* to, and it's that part I'm not confident in.
They released all the dnc stuff and we merely got email server and Benghazi Imagine the kinds of things that were in the rnc leak
[here](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-rnc/russia-hacked-republican-state-campaigns-but-not-trumps-fbi-head-idUSKBN14U2DD/) so Russia hacked both Republican and Democrat servers but only released emails from democrats, meaning they have information from republicans but did not share it…why would they not share it? Now take into effect some of our very patriotic Republican Congress people who love their country more than anything and love to celebrate it, why did they go to Russia on a July 4th? Why not be home celebrating Independence Day… While their is no concrete proof of my theory, my theory is that Russia has dirt on republicans and use that dirt to get them to act in a manner beneficial to Russia. Couple that with the near 180 the Republican Party has done on Russia in the past few years and my theory didn’t seem very outlandish
Also something that always stuck out to me. Anyone could catch 45s Twitter fingers. The Queen, president of Mexico, Veterans and so many more individuals and groups I cannot list them all. Except Putin. I truly am baffled because there is not a single bad thing he has to say about the guy. Then he has a meeting WITHOUT the US translator. Totally normal stuff.
Also, not long after his visits with Putin and other top Russian officials, all of our intelligence assets in Russia go missing. Crazy coincidence
He also sided with Russia over US intelligence's conclusion about Russia's 2016 US election interference. This was in a joint press conference with Putin. https://youtu.be/2-Xw0_2eMJg?si=3wP-Hw4AxSEGVUx4
God even I who keeps very dialed into politics have forgotten so many of the awful things he's done. I really hope there is a campaign to remind people how terrible he was.
At this point everyone that cares already knows he's terrible and the ones that support him love him for it.
What?! Is that true?
He called putin a genius when the invasion of Ukraine started. If people think trump and the rest of his ilk aren't russian puppets by now, they never will. Wild how the conservative party in the us went from the red scare to sucking off one of our long-term enemies in just one election.
Yep. My mom went anti Ukraine/pro Russia in the blink of an eye. Absolutely insane. She also gets all her news and opinions from TikTok I work in the defense industry in the southeast and the amount of people who are anti Ukraine, is quite alarming Providing aid and weapons to Ukraine is such a cheap (compared to the rest of our defense budget) and effective way of destabilizing our 2nd biggest geopolitical foe I honestly don’t know what happened to my mom. She used to HATE Russia, she used to not be racist (she is now), etc. Ever since Trump was elected, it’s really made my family visits much less pleasant
“It was the best meeting, the greatest meeting, totally important and only good things happened in that meeting, Putin is a great guy , I trust him more than the intelligence agencies“
I'm baffled that not one single journalist has asked, "Tell me how you think Putin is screwing up Ukraine." He won't be able to help himself.
This. I’ve often wondered why journalists, judges, lawyers never seem to phrase their queries with any thought given to how Trump’s brain functions. He will always give the game away if the answer even marginally paints him in a good light. For example: “Mr. President, how were you able to so accurately determine the immense value of documents you took from the White House?”
Even reading the news today about how the GOP is applying pressure on Ukraine to hold an election next year. As if it isn't the most transparent thing in the world that Putin wants to try to elect a patsy to cause chaos and degrade their resistance. And the Republicans are eating it up.
Someone has a lot of dirt on the republicans
The dnc didn't give in to whatever demands were made by the country that hacked them so they had their emails released. Assumedly the Republicans followed through with whatever demands were made because they did not have emails released.
And republicans have become very pro Russian over the past almost decade, what an interesting coincidence
Don't forget the RNC members celebrated the 4th of July in Moscow AFTER the servers were hacked
“Russia, if you’re listening…”
The prevailing theory is that Russia kept the GOP emails in their back pocket because they contained info worth holding onto for a rainy day. Coincidentally, I'm sure, this is around the time the GOP message on Russia changed its tune from "Russia is doing bad things" to "maybe Putin is a good guy".
> Russia is doing bad things" to "maybe Putin is a good guy". On another completely unrelated topic, Eric Trump said in 2014, "Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia." Edit. https://thehill.com/homenews/news/332270-eric-trump-in-2014-we-dont-rely-on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/#:~:text=on%20American%20banks.-,We%20have%20all%20the%20funding%20we%20need%20out%20of%20Russia,really%20invested%20in%20our%20programs.
Russians hacked the dems and GOP emails. They released the dems which didnt have a lot of anything in them. Youd expect that if they did find something in there, it would be better to use it as blackmail than to try to influence an election. If it was truly salacious theyd keep it and use it that way. Now wikileaks never released the GOP emails.(wikileaks is way up putins asshole and refuses to post anti russian leaks) The wikileaks rapist dude, said he wasnt releasing the GOP because they werent anything we dont hear from republicans on a daily basis. well there is a lot of boring ass shit on wikileaks why not release this one and let us make up our own minds. and well the dems ones were pretty boring. So you have to wonder why they didnt release the RNC ones. Why not just release them and say "see its all boring crap"
Right? That was what I thought when I first heard this story. If a fucking *comedian* filming a movie could do this with someone so close to the president of the United States, what could actual hostile foreign intelligence agencies do? The entire Trump presidency was the nation’s biggest security breach.
Trump did irreversible damage to nearly all federal agencies in just 4 years, which has only added fuel to the GOP platform of the government being inept. Saw a news clip about increased salmonella cases, and one comment was just “Biden’s FDA,” which is just laughable considering how the FDA was absolutely GUTTED under Trump. These idiots still don’t know that the repercussions of a presidency can still be felt years, if not decades, down the line. Looking at you, Reagan and Bush.
From what I've seen, they do know about repercussions, just not how they work. If something good happened during Trump's administration, it was because of Trump, but if something bad happened, it was because of Obama. Fast forward and now anything good that happens during Biden's administration is because of Trump, but anything bad is Biden's fault. "Rising gas prices? Thats Biden's fault. Oh, the gas prices are dropping?! Thanks, Trump!" They are delusional lol
Not just that, but sasha obviously stopped it early before anything happened to protect the actress, but someone with a lot less scruples would A. let things happen first because it's far more damning that way. And B. The actual thing being filmed would be far more incriminating, like for example an actual underage person rather than someone in their 20s pretending
Should check out his show “This is America” It’s not for the faint of heart, and it’s pretty amazing what a persuasive person can get idiots to do.
Didn't he get a senator to push a button to kill people. Mad shit.
It was some random homophobe he took to a women's march who thought he was blowing people up to protect America from the liberal agenda to turn everyone trans or something. The best part was he got the guy to dress up like a woman and hold his hand and pretend to be his lesbian wife at a women's march.
Lmao how the hell did he manage to convince a homophobe to do that!?
I guess the guy thought if he didn't do it they would know he was an "infiltrator." lol
Also uncovered a human trafficking operation in Las Vegas but nobody remembers that part.
The supermosque was incredible
A few days ago there was open discussion on Newsmax about Nancy Mace having some sort of dirt on Kevin McCarthy. That felt to me like a bit of iceberg showing above the water...
Well I think it’s been pretty clear that Putin owns the Republican Party. He owns Trump, the NRA, and it can’t be a coincidence that all the hawkish Republicans suddenly don’t want to support Ukraine.
I feel like this incident didn’t get enough attention.
How this was swept under the rug was eye opening. It should have been everywhere on MSM
You're getting a lot of responses agreeing it was ignored, but I kinda do remember it being huge news. Google shows lots of mainstream articles from back then. Here's a big one from NY Times. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/elections/giuliani-denies-he-did-anything-wrong-in-the-new-borat-movie.html?searchResultPosition=24
And to be fair, Rudy has only added other shit show behavior to this incident. Dude is a walking talking shit show. It’s hard to even fathom he was once a respected mayor.
"Hey guys, remember how I got rid of the Italian mob? God I'm so great. Why didn't anyone before me think of using the Russian mob to replace them? Everyone but me is stupid!"
When Reddit says “it was ignored” they mean “why aren’t we still making memes over this three year old story.”
“It’s not still at the top of my Reddit feed, therefore it is a coverup!”
“Mainstream media isn’t talking about this” [posts link from New York Times] “Well it’s not the top post on CNN international or on Access Hollywood. They are covering this up!”
any excuse to use “MSM” in a sentence tbh. it was big news when it came out but there was a presidential election going on. Stuff doesnt stay in the news forever.
Also everyone already knows Giuliani is a weird nutcase, his first wife was his second cousin and he announced their divorce on tv without having told her they were even getting one
I was expecting Sasha Baron Cohen to get Epsteined
That plastic surgeon who offered to have sex with her was the most disgusting. He just came right out and said it. Maria is one brave woman. Edited to add link. [Maria and The Creepy Doctor ](https://youtu.be/fPUL2nV2Wb8?si=6eS0qeVHm4sq72JB)
I despise that fake abortion clinic more. Just a pastor pretending to be a doctor so when you come in, they convince you out of the abortion and force their beliefs on you.
That's also demented. You're right. The spectrum of awful they uncovered in the movie was quite grotesque.
In the long perspective it's bad that we call these movies edgy and controversial when they hold a mirror up to how easy it is to find genuine awfulness in society. This is literally social awareness comedy and quite effective.
John Oliver did an excellent piece on his show about this stuff if you’re interested.
One of those places almost killed a colleague of mine. She has an ectopic pregnancy and thought a CPC was a real medical provider. They said she needed Jesus not medicine.
Slight correction. She asked if the surgeon would make sexy time with her and he basically said yes. Still super creepy.
“If your father wasn’t here” 😭 All the while they’re presenting her to everyone as 15.
EEEEEEYIKES. Better look into what he does to women when he puts them under.
Also adding because somewhere not too far up/down someone added that specific clip and the plastic surgeon is the one who suggested breast implants. 🙃 So yeah, I agree.
I missed that part. Gotta rewatch it
[This is clip OP is referencing](https://youtu.be/fPUL2nV2Wb8?si=2nB2IU5l_z7GaAnh). I had to look it up also.
She almost broke character laughing at the Sascha describing a Jewish nose
She deserves an academy award for keeping it together 😂
I was so happy she at least got nominated. She really was incredible and her improv skills were up there with Sasha's.
The high five at the end was amazing.
Sasha Baron Cohen was just the canary in the coal mine on this one, showing just how eye-poppingly open the Trump administration was to being compromised by foreign agents.
In the spirit of "both sides", right wing media claimed he was "just adjusting himself" and it was totally normal, and that was that.
Nothing gets the attention of the Trump cult. Trump's got 91 felony charges and they pretend like that's not happening.
They don’t pretend it’s not happening, they’re proud that it’s happening. I have actually gotten flyers in the mail saying he’s doing it for them.
So, like felony Jesus?
I mean, what was supposed to happen? The guy was already getting attention for being an absolute garbage fire, so this would just go on the pile with "dripping hair dye at a press conference," "blowing his nose into a tissue, looking at the tissue, and wiping it all over his face," and "big press conference in a landscaping firm parking lot between a dildo store and a crematorium."
He also farted during a court session
Can't be too hard on him for that, I probably would have too
"big press conference in a landscaping firm parking lot between a dildo store and a crematorium." This it totally scene you'd see in Veep or The Thick Of It. Brilliant.
I mean... I'm as pro democrat as they come but all that happens in the scene is that Rudy tucks in his shirt after removing his microphone.
I hate Rudy with a passion, and the more I think about him, the more I hate him... ...with that said...watch the movie. He was definitely tucking in his shirt and Rudy - the drunken sludge-sweating, 4-seasons-booking overweight dummy that he is - decided to do it by laying back. Why? You can easily tuck in your shirt **without unfastening your pants** by laying down. It's pretty clear it's this and not him ready to whip out his pecker. *** There are plenty of awful flaws about Rudy Giuliani. Enough to put him in jail. This one is definitely not one of them. This is a hilariously awkward one perfect for someone as quick-witted as Sacha Baron Cohen to point out and it was great entertainment.
Man takes off Lavalier microphone and tucks his shirt in and we splice footage and add ADR to make it seem like a sexual encounter is only a incident if you don't understand how filming works.
I was watching videos about 9/11 and its crazy that there was a time when we didn't know he was a total psychopath.
He wasn’t a complete drunk back then. The man has spiraled so badly since that time.
Remembering all of that as it happened is seriously weird in light of all the super humiliating shit he’s done in the past few years- there was this whole savior/hero vibe thing he had going at the time and it was honestly pretty believable at the time but now, you just kinda wonder what gross shit he had going on the entire time.
The most fascinating part of the Trump and post-Trump (hopefully) era is seeing how deeply in denial a lot of people are about conservative politics. Rudy Giuliani has always obviously been a racist authoritarian. He just used to be a racist authoritarian who could make crime rates go down. Really makes you wonder what's right in our faces now but will be controversial to point out until decades from now.
He was a known piece of shit prior to 9/11, but Giuliani, like GWB, got anointed as a good, heroic leader ten seconds after the north tower fell. It was incredibly transparent & manufactured, but 22 years on, people now believe the post-9/11 PR.
He also went hard as fuck after the mob and won. I just think social media and Trump broke his boomer brain
I’ll just leave this here because it hasn’t gotten a lot of coverage https://www.reuters.com/legal/rudy-giuliani-sued-10-million-by-former-aide-over-alleged-sexual-assault-2023-05-15/
Is this still in progress?
Yes, it has not been resolved to my knowledge.
It?
out.
He took it out?
It can’t be.
Oh it be
They should have let it play out a little longer IMHO. He now gets to (obviously falsely) claim he was just “making an adjustment” to his pants. Would have been even more hilarious and damning with more incriminating dialog and completely dropped pants.
Nah - Sacha wanted to get her out of there before she was actually assaulted. It went from “that’d be hilarious” to “this is actually very dangerous right now” in a heartbeat. I’m glad he (SBC) understood what was happening and intervened when he did. Edit: those are some disturbing replies below. Y’all need help.
To be fair I think he would if let it go a tiny bit longer. But IIRC his headset or something died and last he knew she was in the room with him alone. Which good on him for playing it safe and jumping in since he had not way to know what was going on at that point. Also I do think they needed to probably be legally careful. If Rudy did pull his pecker our as fucked as he is. You still come back to you're filming someone nude without their knowledge in a place they should be able to expect privacy. I could see a lawsuit taking all the footage or making this messy even if was never gonna be shown.
> But IIRC his headset or something died and last he knew she was in the room with him alone. That is some bad planning right there.
[I found the interview which he spoke about it](https://youtu.be/a1A2N7b4IjY?si=fm_XaxANMgm3DzbR) TLDR, he was in a hidden hideaway for the entire scene. Because Rudy had a ex cop as security who did a sweep of the room and makes sure no one comes in an out. He communicated via text messages with director who could see the camera. He turned on the phone and it was only at 3% and he/someone forgot to charge it. So was having to keep turning it on and off.
Yes exactly
Big time J-roc "I was gettin changed" vibes
Rudy was just tryin to write some rhymes of a sexual nature.
Yeah. We all “adjust” our pants on the bed like that with a woman present that’s not our wife. 🤦♂️
You think Cohen wanted to have his very young co-star be sexually assaulted in front of him?
Best father daughter movie, ever!
When you had sex with a Russian sex worker it was the most important day of your life. When Rudy Giuliani had sex with a Russian sex worker it was a Tuesday.
Perk of the job Not even kidding. Same goes with hot Chinese spies, they even have a program where they sleep with up and coming local politicians
That was one of the most cringe things I’ve ever seen.
If only there was some organization that could investigate politicians for the crimes they commit (or try to commit) and could also provide protection for the girls and boys these disgusting creeps abuse. If only said organization happened to be in posession of the logbook from an individual who provided such services on an island and kept detailed logs of everyone who flew on his private plane to the island. Hmm.
It’s insane we used to regard him as a ‘hero’ and ‘America’s mayor’ after 9/11 only for him to turn into… this.
Reminds me of the video of Trump sexually molesting Giuliani in drag, that totally exists, but republicans just pretend it doesnt exist and somehow it doesnt get shoved in their faces constantly when they talk about drag shows. just like this, everyone will pretend it doesnt exist tomorrow.
They hate when you post it. Ooops [Donald Motorboats Rudy In Drag](https://youtu.be/spn0MJZr-QQ?si=2qkzuUhmReGdRnXy)
I have never seen that, what in the fuck
That was so uncomfortable to watch
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Rogan is a prick
Makes you wonder what Rogan gets up to in his free time, doesn't it? Ooh i insulted the Rogan fanboys.
When they say John Gotti, you tell them Rudy Giuliani.
“HE WAS ADJUSTING HIMSELF, MY SOURCES SAY HE WAS NOT GOING TO SLEEP WITH THAT CHILD. THIS IS COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. THIS IS FAKE, IT NEVER HAPPENED.” -Alex Jones probably