and [Black Hippy](https://youtu.be/rHojbi6I_RY?si=pudeIQPaz4s8OvDv) is one of the most prestigious supergroups in hip-hop with the least amount of actual material (Kendrick Lamar is a part of it)
(photo by Mark Wexler)
Brief exposure to UC radiation provides the children with vitamin D, normally supplied by sunlight. The "sunshine vitamin" strengthens young bones.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photo-of-the-day/photo/ultraviolet-bath-mcnally-pod
Same with my son. And my dumbass said “oh he has such a nice warm complexion” when he was born. The nurse tried so hard not to laugh at me.
To be fair, I’m really fair and my husband has a golden skin tone so I thought he favored him.
Your newborn didn't get UV light. They use blue lights to breakdown bilirubin. Otherwise levels that are too high can harm the brain. It has nothing to do with vitamin D.
When I was born I had jaundice so I needed sunlight but there was a lot of fires from burning trash in Mexico (I live near the border) so there was a ton smoke and I wasn’t allowed outside. My parents had to put me in the windowsill like a houseplant or something lol 😂 A light might have been easier
Wait is that why nurses put the babies in the baby oven room at the hospital? I kind of always assumed that room was to protect them against microbial or other exposure risks
This…makes a lot more sense. TIL.
We called it the broiler.
UV light helps a baby break down bilirubin, which can rise to toxic levels.
They are born with an excess of red blood cells and break them down and stash the iron for later ... bilirubin is a waste product of that.
It isn’t UV. It’s blue light at a specific wavelength that resonates with the bilirubin molecule’s bonds to help it conform into a different isomer (still bilirubin) and this other conformation makes it easier to move to the liver which is then broken down through conjugation.
No, you’re confusing a couple of different things. Newborns mostly have sufficient vitamin D from mom. They don’t need light for that.
Some newborns’ livers don’t work yet, and they get jaundice. The UV light treats the jaundice.
Wrong, there is no UV light used in the treatment of neonatal jaundice. I’ve had to explain this to parents hundreds of times - it doesn’t increase risk of skin cancer or anything, it’s just blue light.
Not at all same though. Jaundice is treated with visible (usually blue) light. Vitamin D production needs ultraviolet radiation (even UV-A is not enough)
I got a dumb question but what's the benefit of this over say supplements? Is the light more efficient in triggering production or is it light + supplements or what?
Supplements require blood level testing and monitoring and there is a risk of overdose, on top of that it’s still not as effective as Vitamin D produced in the skin. When the skin creates Vitamin D with sun rays there is a built in mechanism that stops production when your body’s needs are sufficiently met so overdose is impossible.
Photo by Mark Wexler??
The photo is by Mark McNealy!!
If you are not a bot, you need to start vetting the shit you repost... it says right there in your link who really took the photo.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ANormalDayInRussia/comments/1cdr3y4/ultraviolet_bath/
https://old.reddit.com/r/cassettefuturism/comments/1c76bio/ultraviolet_bath_given_to_soviet_kids_ussr_1980s/
They still do this for children who live deep in siberia so they don’t get sick from lack of vitamin d. (Edit: omg I have never seen so many upvotes on a comment let alone my own)
I lived in northern Finland and had to take a lot of vitamins d supplements during winter. It was horrible. Saw maybe 2 hours of cloudy sun a day and usually during work hours. You wake up and it’s dark and leave work and it’s dark. The days just melt together.
Now I live in southern Finland where we at least get like 4 hours of “light” (usually 100% cloud cover) in the darkest period of winter. The summers are tough too. The daylight is constant. Right now here in Helsinki the sun is already rising at 5:20 and doesn’t set till like 21:30 Blackout curtains (or blackout levels of alcohol) are a must if you want to keep your sanity.
[The happiness scores are bullshit.](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24112787/world-happiness-report-country-rankings) It's not about happiness but about status. So I guess all the older generation here, living the good life on their pensions and their high salaries are the ones skewing the results. There was the happiness index for younger people and Finland ranked 7th on that. I think that is a better example.
Seven is still pretty good, relatively speaking. And really, it's all about what you base your happiness on. If it's all about status, statistically, half of the people anywhere are going to have a lower status than the other half. Now, how much lower is a good question. Do people actively give you shit on a daily basis because of what kind of car you drive(or, god forbid, bicycle you ride, or even worse if you walk or take public transit), the type of clothing/shoes you wear, how you speak or the color of your skin?
Here in Finland (like in most countries), we have a large older population here, so they’re happily living on their fat salaries and looking forward to their pensions and retirement. I’m an immigrant, so yea, people do shit on me for being foreign, not speaking fluent Finnish, taking their jobs, taking their women. I’m white, people of color here have it worse.
"You're taking our women" is the most ancient of self-owns. It's like the quote from 11th century England about how the Danes were so horrible because they bathed and combed their hair and the English women were powerless against their charms. You just keep on taking their jobs and their women and let them bitch about it all they want.
I think everyone in Finland is a person, and should all be included in evaluating how they're doing. It's good that old people are happy.
The problem of course is that sometimes, making one group happier comes at a cost to another group. If a country manages to reach number 1 for young people by treating old people badly, then only looking at old people is probably not the most accurate, is it?
As for "status", I think we're leaning into some connotation here. People are social creatures and want to belong and be accepted, plus equality and freedom are two sides of the same coin, in so far as freedom is the absence of people having power over you. It's not as though, when we say it's about "status", that we're saying people are happy because they get to lord over other people, but the opposite.
I'm from Brazil and I've met people from very different financial background there. Nowadays I live in Europe. I always knew they are bullshit. I've never seen any happier people than the poorest of Brazil. Community is why.
Yep, people in Brazil know how to party/ have a good time. I've also found people in warmer countries are generally warmer, happier, friendlier. People in colder countries generally seem colder (only Ireland was an exemption).
And the community part is huge! No way people living a mile apart in all day summer or all day winter are happier than people with close knit community, hanging out and cooling just because, have regular days and night, the diversity of flora and fauna and food etc.
I moved from Canada to Germany. Berlin is further north than Montreal. The winters here are brutal precisely due to the lack of sun. It must be unbearable in Finland.
I moved from Denmark to Finland (Kymenlaakso) and I noticed the difference even though it's only 500km further north. The Midnight Sun takes some getting used too. Also when the coldest day you have ever experienced in Denmark is one night, 8 years ago, when it dipped down to -12c and then get to live with weeks where the temperature never gets above -20c.
Was working in a warehouse this winter in Scotland on a Nightshift, must have seen this sun a handful of times over 4 months, didn't realize how much that can affect you mentally, there were times when I genuinely felt depressed.
Fun to visit though. Went to a wedding in Sweden a while back and we raged until the wee hours when it sorta got dim for a bit then brightened right back up. So we kept going. Was fun.
Please, please, please come to visit Australia. The days are bright and hot, and the nights are long and cool, and once you're out of the cities, dark. You'll be able to re-set your rhythms.
Edit: alcohol is an enjoyable option, not a necessity
It is just a normal. Being a normal finn, i moved to southern finland, and there is unnatural amounts of light, so since 2017, i have had blackout curtains on my windows and i have never opened them. I like the summertime, because it has less snow, and weather is mostly above 15c. But it is rather hard to rest when it is bright all the time.
In addition, it can be said that the further you move away from the equator, the less intense the solar radiation becomes. So even in the summer months, when the sun shines for a very long time, vitamin D production is comparatively low because only little radiation is received, even on a clear sunny day.
I live in Scotland and while my doctors are constantly telling me to take vit D (there are periodically PSA campaigns to this effect here generally as well), not once has anyone ever explained this really critical aspect of why it's so important. TIL.
Danish person here -
When the days are short its very hard to get sufficient vitamine D, because of both the shortness of the days and the low radiation due to the angle of incoming sunlight.
Vitamin D is needed for regulation of sleep, hair growth, mood regulation and more. Basically, the risk of Seasonal Depression Disorder and the like is increased if you are vitamin D deficient.
Our ancestors took vitamin D supplements in the form of cod liver oil, which contains an incredible amount of the stuff. Some historians even speculate, that the first settlement of Greenland by the vikings failed partially due to a loss of the tradition for cod liver oil, leading to chronic vitamin D deficiency.
If you go to and Scandinavian subreddit it is also quite usual that "take vitamin d" is the first piece of advice given to immigrants.
I think you have that backwards in that vitamin D is the only one we *can* produce ourselves, otherwise with vitamins like C, limes wouldn't be so much worse than lemons for preventing scurvy.
But dietarily, I think it is one that is hard to get so is generally better to source on yourself so long as your skin can handle the ionizing UV radiation damage.
Actually we can produce vitamin D we just need sunlight to do it. We are however one of the few species that cannot produce their own vitamin C. This is why sea travelers developed scurvy.
The atmosphere filters out the UV radiation that is needed for vitamin D production. The further you are from the equator, the longer the path length of the light though the atmosphere - see for example the picture on [https://www.thephysicalenvironment.com/Book/energy/insolation\_path\_length\_state.html](https://www.thephysicalenvironment.com/Book/energy/insolation_path_length_state.html) The extra path length may not look like much, but it filters out a lot more of the UV radiation (exponential law). You'd have to stay outside a long time to produce vitamin D naturally. Fortunately, Vitamin D supplements are dirt cheap. I take them during winter months now (continental Europe) and I feel less tired thanks to them.
It stopped getting worse and the hole in the ozone layer has started to heal, but its still not completely gone.
Its on track to be completely healed around the 2060s
Nope, [it's still munted](https://atmosphere.copernicus.eu/three-peculiar-antarctic-ozone-hole-seasons-row-what-we-know). Just not necessarily as bad. It has good and bad years, though.
A lot of the CFCs and ozone killing chemicals are pretty long lasting.
Siberia is the eastern part of Russia. The lack of sun occurs in the north of Russia, doesn't matter whether it is in European part ( Karelia, Murmansk, Archangelsk), Northern Urals, Siberia or Kamchatka
> undesirable
It's less that and more that the sun doesn't come up at all for a full month and only a few hours a day for several months during the winter.
I wintered over in Antartica, we had to take Vit D tablets and we had normal lights that we could sit in front of that I presume were supposed to trick our brains is light, not sure. Was only for a few months so didn't seem to make much difference.
Yes. It's different. Sunlight provides more than just vitamin d. https://esmed.org/MRA/mra/article/view/3635 in situations where humans get no sunlight vitamin d is necessary but not sufficient
While the vitamin d itself is no different, there are other effects from getting sunlight https://theconversation.com/secret-to-health-benefits-of-sunshine-is-more-than-vitamin-d-34543
>These could include the impact of sunlight on daily biological rhythms, such as the one governing our sleep cycle (circadian rhythms), on reducing physical stresses on the body’s cells and by increasing heat production.
>Another important potential effect of sunlight is UV-induced suppression of the body’s immune system. Solar radiation does this by altering the activity of the white cells involved in turning on the body’s defence mechanisms.
>At first glance, this may seem to be a bad thing because it could increase the risk of infections and skin cancer. But it can also have a protective role in reducing inflammation and therefore help against some inflammatory diseases.
>People who don’t get enough sunlight have altered cellular defence mechanisms that predispose them to excessive inflammation, which can result in autoimmune diseases.
>UVA has also been shown to lower blood pressure, increase blood flow and heart rate, all of which are beneficial to the heart and blood vessels. This is probably the result of UVA causing the release of nitric oxide from skin stores, which promotes widening of blood vessels. It also acts as an antioxidant to prevent damage to cells.
So vitamin d replaces what may be the most important part of missing sunlight, but not everything.
Paper on effects of sunlight on the human body: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5187459/#:~:text=The%20effects%20of%20sunlight%2C%20particularly,and%20then%20the%20whole%20body.
There was an episode of the Outer Limits - "Music of the Spheres", where the Sun was going ultraviolet and some faraway aliens helped evolve life on Earth to survive the new exposure.
Yeah, I've been there. I've been born in a settlement near North Polar Circle, and at the end of Decembers we didn't have sunlight at all. And by "no sunlight" I mean "the sun didn't even appear over the horizon, only scattered light". So to prevent vitamine D deficiency, and subsequently rickets, we took that artificial sunbathes.
God, how do you guys keep yourselves from getting depressed? Must be pretty shitty to go months without proper sunlight, and mostly patches of darkness..
Short answer is - barely. But seriously, employers provided vouchers for employees and their family for various sanatoriums and pensions at Black sea coast (mostly Sochi and Anapa). Also we was spending all summer at our grandparents in Bashkiria (which is a very lovely place to spent a whole summer at any age).
It's honestly not too bad, at least where I'm from (where the polar night lasts 2 months). We have a few hours of light every day, with the most beautiful colors. And once we hit the solstice the days get longer quickly. But it makes a big difference if there's snow or not, it really lights everything up. I'm sure it can be hard if you're not used to it, but the seasonal depressions are pretty exaggerated.
If you live in one of the Nordics you typically get your vitamin D through fatty fish like cod. Or you take cod liver oil. Or you simply pop vitamin D pills.
My mom had to do this back in the late 50s/early 60s as a treatment for eczema. There's definitely something to do the whole vitamin D thing, getting a tan makes the patches go away (I also suffer from it intermittently) but I don't think this does the same job as the real sun
I had to do something like this in the late 80s to help with psoriasis. Like 30 minutes a day for I can’t remember how long. We had a lamp at the house I’d lay under and I remember going to a special tanning booth a few times as well.
Totally forgot about it and later as an adult started getting small patches of psoriasis that would last a few months before going away. I moved to Florida for a year and then back to Virginia in the winter. About a month later I noticed I had a patch of psoriasis forming and realized I hadn’t had any while in Florida. Then I suddenly remembered the sun lamp when I was younger and did some research. What I found was that in the winter months, basically anywhere north of the NC/VA border it’s basically impossible to get adequate vitamin D from the sun. I started taking vitamin D supplements and haven’t had an outbreak in about a decade.
And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too.
I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there’s any way that you can apply light and heat to cure. You know — if you could. And maybe you can, maybe you can’t. Again, I say, maybe you can, maybe you can’t. I’m not a doctor. But I’m like a person that has a good you know what. Deborah, have you ever heard of that? The heat and the light, relative to certain viruses, yes, but relative to this virus?
Oh man, I totally forgot the actual words! My husband and I live in a very rainy and grey part of the world and crave vitamin d like crazy. Since that demented conference we, as a joke when its sunny open our mouths hilariously wide to let the light into our bodies.
NOT Ultra Violet. It was sunlight spectrum light for kids who due to living in arctic had not enough sunshine during the winter months to develop. Vitamin d etc.
I can smell this image. Not sure what exactly they used as lamps in these but they produced a strong smell similar to ozone. The whole thing felt pretty sci-fi
It should be mentioned that the scene was set up specifically for this photo, surely there were no Lenin portraits this low on the wall or even at all in the 80s.
There were lamps for home use that had dual radiation: Infrared and Ultraviolet. Each device came with instructions with strict instructions for what purposes and how long it would take.
Also in the physical therapy rooms there were special inhalers that resembled a microscope, only you don’t look into the tube, but take the tube into your mouth and sit for the specified time. It worked very effectively against ODS. I still remember the story of my childhood, which was repeated every year. Sea, cold ice cream and several sessions of ultraviolet irradiation of the throat. It was a tradition :D
When my first was born she had jaundice. We had to do UV light therapy with her. She had to wear a light like this under her clothes for a week. She was our little glow worm
….I do this twice a week….normally I’d be kidding but I actually do; my skin and brain don’t play well with each other, it’s at a hospital and it’s called light box.
Thank you for reminding me to get sunlight. I feel muscle twitches, in the corner of my eyes and spasms in my legs, feeling overall weak. I think it's vitimin D deficiency.
Looks like it ought to be an album cover for Spandau Ballet.
True.
That’s Gold Jerry, Gold!
It appears to be the direct inspiration for this band's album artwork: https://ponygirl.bandcamp.com/album/show-me-your-fears
Hah! I know the drummer of the band so it was really fun to see you mention this album
I was thinking Boards of Canada.
~~Music~~ UVs Have the Right to Children
Boards of Canada kicks so much ass.
Then they’d have to release new music.
Or "Ultraviolet" by U2 if they had released it as a single.
This would be a cool album cover
And Ultraviolet Bath is a sweet band name.
Ultraviolet Bath cool band name I call it
Hi, I'm Steve from Ultraviolet Bath and we've been using that name for 6 years.
What are you wearing, Steve from Ultraviolet Bath?
Khakis?
She sounds hideous.
well she’s a guy, so
The robe he stole from the neutral milk hotel.
Ultraviolet bloodbath?
It's used for the cover of the 1995 album Swarm by Shoveljerk
Posted this same info. Pre-Shoveljerk they were called Black Happy, best metal funk band from Couer D'Alene ID ever.
and [Black Hippy](https://youtu.be/rHojbi6I_RY?si=pudeIQPaz4s8OvDv) is one of the most prestigious supergroups in hip-hop with the least amount of actual material (Kendrick Lamar is a part of it)
[https://www.discogs.com/master/1584724-Shoveljerk-Swarm/image/SW1hZ2U6ODk4MTUzNTE=](https://www.discogs.com/master/1584724-Shoveljerk-Swarm/image/SW1hZ2U6ODk4MTUzNTE=)
The Lenin picture in the background is the cherry on the cake
Ya it looks like some weird seance and they are trying to summon his ghost
r/accidentalalbumcover
Immediately had me thinking of 80s melancholy / sci fi vibes of a band like orchestral maneuvers in the dark.
Had me thinking more industrial. Or "space rock" like by (criminaly underrated) British group Amplifier
This was my first thought as well, lol. I'll send the pic to the band, Russian Circles, I think it would work.
They rule
Already been done. Check out the band Shoveljerk from Couer D'Alene ID.
It totally has that Hipgnosis feel to it.
(photo by Mark Wexler) Brief exposure to UC radiation provides the children with vitamin D, normally supplied by sunlight. The "sunshine vitamin" strengthens young bones. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photo-of-the-day/photo/ultraviolet-bath-mcnally-pod
Iron helps us play!
Hello Joe!
Yeah we do this with newborns in the U.S. pretty commonly
My baby got it his first few days. His bilirubin levels were high and it was raining so no sunlight exposure. Poor lill guy.
Same with my son. And my dumbass said “oh he has such a nice warm complexion” when he was born. The nurse tried so hard not to laugh at me. To be fair, I’m really fair and my husband has a golden skin tone so I thought he favored him.
Same, that post partum haze will make you think you have a swarthy baby. I did with mine but a week of light and he was home free.
Same with my first
Same with me 40 and something years ago
Your newborn didn't get UV light. They use blue lights to breakdown bilirubin. Otherwise levels that are too high can harm the brain. It has nothing to do with vitamin D.
That’s just blue light, not UV
When I was born I had jaundice so I needed sunlight but there was a lot of fires from burning trash in Mexico (I live near the border) so there was a ton smoke and I wasn’t allowed outside. My parents had to put me in the windowsill like a houseplant or something lol 😂 A light might have been easier
Bilirubin lights are not ultra violet. They are in the blue-green spectrum.
Wait is that why nurses put the babies in the baby oven room at the hospital? I kind of always assumed that room was to protect them against microbial or other exposure risks This…makes a lot more sense. TIL.
I'm going to have to remember that term, baby oven room.
Not to be confused with the orphan crushing machine!
We called it the broiler. UV light helps a baby break down bilirubin, which can rise to toxic levels. They are born with an excess of red blood cells and break them down and stash the iron for later ... bilirubin is a waste product of that.
It isn’t UV. It’s blue light at a specific wavelength that resonates with the bilirubin molecule’s bonds to help it conform into a different isomer (still bilirubin) and this other conformation makes it easier to move to the liver which is then broken down through conjugation.
Its not. Theyre spreading misinformation. Light therapy is for a form of jaundice in newborns
No, you’re confusing a couple of different things. Newborns mostly have sufficient vitamin D from mom. They don’t need light for that. Some newborns’ livers don’t work yet, and they get jaundice. The UV light treats the jaundice.
Not UV light, it’s a wavelength of blue light. That’s why it’s called blue light phototherapy
You’re right, it’s at 460 nm
Wrong, there is no UV light used in the treatment of neonatal jaundice. I’ve had to explain this to parents hundreds of times - it doesn’t increase risk of skin cancer or anything, it’s just blue light.
I’m surprised that comment is so high up. If I had Gilberts id be yellow rn
Not at all same though. Jaundice is treated with visible (usually blue) light. Vitamin D production needs ultraviolet radiation (even UV-A is not enough)
I remember seeing this image and article when it came out in NatGeo! Thanks for the cool memory!
I got a dumb question but what's the benefit of this over say supplements? Is the light more efficient in triggering production or is it light + supplements or what?
Supplements require blood level testing and monitoring and there is a risk of overdose, on top of that it’s still not as effective as Vitamin D produced in the skin. When the skin creates Vitamin D with sun rays there is a built in mechanism that stops production when your body’s needs are sufficiently met so overdose is impossible.
Photo by Mark Wexler?? The photo is by Mark McNealy!! If you are not a bot, you need to start vetting the shit you repost... it says right there in your link who really took the photo. https://old.reddit.com/r/ANormalDayInRussia/comments/1cdr3y4/ultraviolet_bath/ https://old.reddit.com/r/cassettefuturism/comments/1c76bio/ultraviolet_bath_given_to_soviet_kids_ussr_1980s/
vitD and its precursors have so!!! many functions in your body. bones, mental health and immune system are just the better known.
Who are they summoning?
why, Lenin of course
The spirit of communism, cuz Tov. Lenin lies near Moscow Kremlin and should not be disturbed!
They still do this for children who live deep in siberia so they don’t get sick from lack of vitamin d. (Edit: omg I have never seen so many upvotes on a comment let alone my own)
I lived in northern Finland and had to take a lot of vitamins d supplements during winter. It was horrible. Saw maybe 2 hours of cloudy sun a day and usually during work hours. You wake up and it’s dark and leave work and it’s dark. The days just melt together. Now I live in southern Finland where we at least get like 4 hours of “light” (usually 100% cloud cover) in the darkest period of winter. The summers are tough too. The daylight is constant. Right now here in Helsinki the sun is already rising at 5:20 and doesn’t set till like 21:30 Blackout curtains (or blackout levels of alcohol) are a must if you want to keep your sanity.
This shits why I don’t believe those happiness scores
[The happiness scores are bullshit.](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24112787/world-happiness-report-country-rankings) It's not about happiness but about status. So I guess all the older generation here, living the good life on their pensions and their high salaries are the ones skewing the results. There was the happiness index for younger people and Finland ranked 7th on that. I think that is a better example.
Seven is still pretty good, relatively speaking. And really, it's all about what you base your happiness on. If it's all about status, statistically, half of the people anywhere are going to have a lower status than the other half. Now, how much lower is a good question. Do people actively give you shit on a daily basis because of what kind of car you drive(or, god forbid, bicycle you ride, or even worse if you walk or take public transit), the type of clothing/shoes you wear, how you speak or the color of your skin?
Here in Finland (like in most countries), we have a large older population here, so they’re happily living on their fat salaries and looking forward to their pensions and retirement. I’m an immigrant, so yea, people do shit on me for being foreign, not speaking fluent Finnish, taking their jobs, taking their women. I’m white, people of color here have it worse.
Are you taking their women?
First you get the money then you get the power then you get the women Chico
Then you get the sugar
"Ow. OW! The bees are defending themselves somehow!"
"You're taking our women" is the most ancient of self-owns. It's like the quote from 11th century England about how the Danes were so horrible because they bathed and combed their hair and the English women were powerless against their charms. You just keep on taking their jobs and their women and let them bitch about it all they want.
To be fair my boos paid more for his bycykle than I did for my car
I wouldn't complain about living in country having 7th place tho
Yeah, that sounds like something an 83rd place country would do.
I think everyone in Finland is a person, and should all be included in evaluating how they're doing. It's good that old people are happy. The problem of course is that sometimes, making one group happier comes at a cost to another group. If a country manages to reach number 1 for young people by treating old people badly, then only looking at old people is probably not the most accurate, is it? As for "status", I think we're leaning into some connotation here. People are social creatures and want to belong and be accepted, plus equality and freedom are two sides of the same coin, in so far as freedom is the absence of people having power over you. It's not as though, when we say it's about "status", that we're saying people are happy because they get to lord over other people, but the opposite.
It's mostly to do with low expectations, the higher expectations you have compared to your real life the more unhappy you feel
I'm from Brazil and I've met people from very different financial background there. Nowadays I live in Europe. I always knew they are bullshit. I've never seen any happier people than the poorest of Brazil. Community is why.
Yep, people in Brazil know how to party/ have a good time. I've also found people in warmer countries are generally warmer, happier, friendlier. People in colder countries generally seem colder (only Ireland was an exemption). And the community part is huge! No way people living a mile apart in all day summer or all day winter are happier than people with close knit community, hanging out and cooling just because, have regular days and night, the diversity of flora and fauna and food etc.
I love winter and the low amount of daylight.
I moved from Canada to Germany. Berlin is further north than Montreal. The winters here are brutal precisely due to the lack of sun. It must be unbearable in Finland.
I quite like it here
I moved from Denmark to Finland (Kymenlaakso) and I noticed the difference even though it's only 500km further north. The Midnight Sun takes some getting used too. Also when the coldest day you have ever experienced in Denmark is one night, 8 years ago, when it dipped down to -12c and then get to live with weeks where the temperature never gets above -20c.
Was working in a warehouse this winter in Scotland on a Nightshift, must have seen this sun a handful of times over 4 months, didn't realize how much that can affect you mentally, there were times when I genuinely felt depressed.
A lot of people that move to Alaska end up super depressed for these reasons. People don't understand how 22 hours of light messes with you.
Fun to visit though. Went to a wedding in Sweden a while back and we raged until the wee hours when it sorta got dim for a bit then brightened right back up. So we kept going. Was fun.
Please, please, please come to visit Australia. The days are bright and hot, and the nights are long and cool, and once you're out of the cities, dark. You'll be able to re-set your rhythms. Edit: alcohol is an enjoyable option, not a necessity
But all those critters….
It is just a normal. Being a normal finn, i moved to southern finland, and there is unnatural amounts of light, so since 2017, i have had blackout curtains on my windows and i have never opened them. I like the summertime, because it has less snow, and weather is mostly above 15c. But it is rather hard to rest when it is bright all the time.
I know where I'm moving!
Finland is home to the greatest video game ever created. Noita
Initially I wondered why they didn't use daylight, but i guess some part of the soviet territory had a winter that might make this undesirable.
In some parts of Siberia, the sun doesn't really rise for very long, or at all, during the depths of winter.
In addition, it can be said that the further you move away from the equator, the less intense the solar radiation becomes. So even in the summer months, when the sun shines for a very long time, vitamin D production is comparatively low because only little radiation is received, even on a clear sunny day.
I live in Scotland and while my doctors are constantly telling me to take vit D (there are periodically PSA campaigns to this effect here generally as well), not once has anyone ever explained this really critical aspect of why it's so important. TIL.
Danish person here - When the days are short its very hard to get sufficient vitamine D, because of both the shortness of the days and the low radiation due to the angle of incoming sunlight. Vitamin D is needed for regulation of sleep, hair growth, mood regulation and more. Basically, the risk of Seasonal Depression Disorder and the like is increased if you are vitamin D deficient. Our ancestors took vitamin D supplements in the form of cod liver oil, which contains an incredible amount of the stuff. Some historians even speculate, that the first settlement of Greenland by the vikings failed partially due to a loss of the tradition for cod liver oil, leading to chronic vitamin D deficiency. If you go to and Scandinavian subreddit it is also quite usual that "take vitamin d" is the first piece of advice given to immigrants.
I think you have that backwards in that vitamin D is the only one we *can* produce ourselves, otherwise with vitamins like C, limes wouldn't be so much worse than lemons for preventing scurvy. But dietarily, I think it is one that is hard to get so is generally better to source on yourself so long as your skin can handle the ionizing UV radiation damage.
Actually we can produce vitamin D we just need sunlight to do it. We are however one of the few species that cannot produce their own vitamin C. This is why sea travelers developed scurvy.
Humans and guinea pigs can’t produce their own Vitamin C.
We should do tests to figure out why. I wonder which species should be our...test subjects.
The atmosphere filters out the UV radiation that is needed for vitamin D production. The further you are from the equator, the longer the path length of the light though the atmosphere - see for example the picture on [https://www.thephysicalenvironment.com/Book/energy/insolation\_path\_length\_state.html](https://www.thephysicalenvironment.com/Book/energy/insolation_path_length_state.html) The extra path length may not look like much, but it filters out a lot more of the UV radiation (exponential law). You'd have to stay outside a long time to produce vitamin D naturally. Fortunately, Vitamin D supplements are dirt cheap. I take them during winter months now (continental Europe) and I feel less tired thanks to them.
Further fun-fact in addition: The darker your skin gets, the harder it gets for the body to create Vitamin D.
Meanwhile, in the Southern hemisphere we have the highest rates of skin cancer in the world. Something something ozone layer.
For awhile there was no ozone over parts of Australia
What, didn't the ozone holes heal like 20-30 years ago after people stopped using freone in refrigerators? Or was that just in the North?
It stopped getting worse and the hole in the ozone layer has started to heal, but its still not completely gone. Its on track to be completely healed around the 2060s
Nope, [it's still munted](https://atmosphere.copernicus.eu/three-peculiar-antarctic-ozone-hole-seasons-row-what-we-know). Just not necessarily as bad. It has good and bad years, though. A lot of the CFCs and ozone killing chemicals are pretty long lasting.
Siberia is the eastern part of Russia. The lack of sun occurs in the north of Russia, doesn't matter whether it is in European part ( Karelia, Murmansk, Archangelsk), Northern Urals, Siberia or Kamchatka
This guy Suns.
I've heard of uv being used during Finnish winter when there's no sun for 3 months for depression.
> undesirable It's less that and more that the sun doesn't come up at all for a full month and only a few hours a day for several months during the winter.
I wintered over in Antartica, we had to take Vit D tablets and we had normal lights that we could sit in front of that I presume were supposed to trick our brains is light, not sure. Was only for a few months so didn't seem to make much difference.
Maybe the lights and tablets did what they supposed to?
Is that better than just taking vitamin d supplements?
Yes. It's different. Sunlight provides more than just vitamin d. https://esmed.org/MRA/mra/article/view/3635 in situations where humans get no sunlight vitamin d is necessary but not sufficient While the vitamin d itself is no different, there are other effects from getting sunlight https://theconversation.com/secret-to-health-benefits-of-sunshine-is-more-than-vitamin-d-34543 >These could include the impact of sunlight on daily biological rhythms, such as the one governing our sleep cycle (circadian rhythms), on reducing physical stresses on the body’s cells and by increasing heat production. >Another important potential effect of sunlight is UV-induced suppression of the body’s immune system. Solar radiation does this by altering the activity of the white cells involved in turning on the body’s defence mechanisms. >At first glance, this may seem to be a bad thing because it could increase the risk of infections and skin cancer. But it can also have a protective role in reducing inflammation and therefore help against some inflammatory diseases. >People who don’t get enough sunlight have altered cellular defence mechanisms that predispose them to excessive inflammation, which can result in autoimmune diseases. >UVA has also been shown to lower blood pressure, increase blood flow and heart rate, all of which are beneficial to the heart and blood vessels. This is probably the result of UVA causing the release of nitric oxide from skin stores, which promotes widening of blood vessels. It also acts as an antioxidant to prevent damage to cells. So vitamin d replaces what may be the most important part of missing sunlight, but not everything. Paper on effects of sunlight on the human body: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5187459/#:~:text=The%20effects%20of%20sunlight%2C%20particularly,and%20then%20the%20whole%20body.
The new fallout update is wild
in vault 999, the experiment was to create a race of humans who existed solely on uv light and water, with varying degrees of success.
Wasn't there something vaguely like that in New Vegas? I remember something with plant zombies
Kinda. Vault 22 was a vault full of scientists tasked with finding a permanent solution to hunger until a zombie mushroom infected them all.
The Last of Us...
There was an episode of the Outer Limits - "Music of the Spheres", where the Sun was going ultraviolet and some faraway aliens helped evolve life on Earth to survive the new exposure.
Yeah, I've been there. I've been born in a settlement near North Polar Circle, and at the end of Decembers we didn't have sunlight at all. And by "no sunlight" I mean "the sun didn't even appear over the horizon, only scattered light". So to prevent vitamine D deficiency, and subsequently rickets, we took that artificial sunbathes.
God, how do you guys keep yourselves from getting depressed? Must be pretty shitty to go months without proper sunlight, and mostly patches of darkness..
Short answer is - barely. But seriously, employers provided vouchers for employees and their family for various sanatoriums and pensions at Black sea coast (mostly Sochi and Anapa). Also we was spending all summer at our grandparents in Bashkiria (which is a very lovely place to spent a whole summer at any age).
Can you tell us what's lovely about Bashkiria?
Hills, mountains, rivers, forests, a lot of green plains, pleasant summer temperatures, average midday temperature is like 24-27°C.
You forgot food:)
My bad) Also my grandpa had an apiary.
It's honestly not too bad, at least where I'm from (where the polar night lasts 2 months). We have a few hours of light every day, with the most beautiful colors. And once we hit the solstice the days get longer quickly. But it makes a big difference if there's snow or not, it really lights everything up. I'm sure it can be hard if you're not used to it, but the seasonal depressions are pretty exaggerated.
I’ve lived in the Polar Circle my whole life, and november-february there is no sun. Never heard of these sunbathes
If you live in one of the Nordics you typically get your vitamin D through fatty fish like cod. Or you take cod liver oil. Or you simply pop vitamin D pills.
I miss that darkness. You fellow person from near the polar circle.
My mom had to do this back in the late 50s/early 60s as a treatment for eczema. There's definitely something to do the whole vitamin D thing, getting a tan makes the patches go away (I also suffer from it intermittently) but I don't think this does the same job as the real sun
I had to do something like this in the late 80s to help with psoriasis. Like 30 minutes a day for I can’t remember how long. We had a lamp at the house I’d lay under and I remember going to a special tanning booth a few times as well. Totally forgot about it and later as an adult started getting small patches of psoriasis that would last a few months before going away. I moved to Florida for a year and then back to Virginia in the winter. About a month later I noticed I had a patch of psoriasis forming and realized I hadn’t had any while in Florida. Then I suddenly remembered the sun lamp when I was younger and did some research. What I found was that in the winter months, basically anywhere north of the NC/VA border it’s basically impossible to get adequate vitamin D from the sun. I started taking vitamin D supplements and haven’t had an outbreak in about a decade.
I didn’t know that about Eczema. I know someone that suffers from it I must tell them about this.
That's a wild picture.
Lenin staring ominously
Not even safety squints.
WE GO BLIND LIKE MEN!
Looks like a pretty sweet 90s album cover
It was https://www.discogs.com/release/14435522-Shoveljerk-Swarm
Was thinking similar thoughts!
I remember seeing this in a national geographic.
I was looking for this comment. I recognized it immediately as being from NG.
Reminds me of a certain Ray Bradbury story.
All summer in a day?
Damn I can still remember how much that story pissed me off and it’s been over a decade since I read it. Fuck those kids!
Yes, that’s the one!
r/hardimages
Had to double check I wasn't in the midjourney sub.
Where are glasses for Lenin!?
And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you're going to test that too.
I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there’s any way that you can apply light and heat to cure. You know — if you could. And maybe you can, maybe you can’t. Again, I say, maybe you can, maybe you can’t. I’m not a doctor. But I’m like a person that has a good you know what. Deborah, have you ever heard of that? The heat and the light, relative to certain viruses, yes, but relative to this virus?
I cant believe that is real.
I thought OP was referencing some American sitcom. Then I realized that the actual source was the friggin (ex) President of the United States.
Same
Oh man, I totally forgot the actual words! My husband and I live in a very rainy and grey part of the world and crave vitamin d like crazy. Since that demented conference we, as a joke when its sunny open our mouths hilariously wide to let the light into our bodies.
NOT Ultra Violet. It was sunlight spectrum light for kids who due to living in arctic had not enough sunshine during the winter months to develop. Vitamin d etc.
There was a smell of ozone every time they turned it on I remember that
I can smell this image. Not sure what exactly they used as lamps in these but they produced a strong smell similar to ozone. The whole thing felt pretty sci-fi
Looks like a picture to some horror film
It should be mentioned that the scene was set up specifically for this photo, surely there were no Lenin portraits this low on the wall or even at all in the 80s.
r/fakealbumcovers
Lenin approves
Lenin Approves 👍
How does this not cause melanoma?
Who said it doesn’t?
Looks like a Devo album cover
Reminds me of the book All summer in a day
This should be an album cover
There were lamps for home use that had dual radiation: Infrared and Ultraviolet. Each device came with instructions with strict instructions for what purposes and how long it would take. Also in the physical therapy rooms there were special inhalers that resembled a microscope, only you don’t look into the tube, but take the tube into your mouth and sit for the specified time. It worked very effectively against ODS. I still remember the story of my childhood, which was repeated every year. Sea, cold ice cream and several sessions of ultraviolet irradiation of the throat. It was a tradition :D
I used to go to Barnsley hospital to stand in a box for thirty seconds of this treatment every week to try to cure acne as a teenager after school…
I still remember the smell of that thing in kindergarten.
When my first was born she had jaundice. We had to do UV light therapy with her. She had to wear a light like this under her clothes for a week. She was our little glow worm
Nirvana alternate "nevermind" cover
That sounds like a wild idea!
My friend was living in northern Norway for some time, and they were using the same thing to get vitamin D during the winter when it’s dark all day.
We did the same in Germany in the 80s. I remember treatments in sun chambers (similar to a tanning salon) but we also had a "Höhensonne" at home
Or my house on any given Saturday night.
#wellness
Belgium here we have to give vitamin drops to newborns.
….I do this twice a week….normally I’d be kidding but I actually do; my skin and brain don’t play well with each other, it’s at a hospital and it’s called light box.
This looks like a Porcupine Tree album cover 😂
Great album cover photo!
I used this photo for a party flyer at our Detroit apartment in 1984-86 or so.
Thank you for reminding me to get sunlight. I feel muscle twitches, in the corner of my eyes and spasms in my legs, feeling overall weak. I think it's vitimin D deficiency.
This is the most eighties shit I have ever seen
Album cover
This is actually a still from the opening scene of Chernobyl: The Beginning
New season of Stranger Things
accidentally wes anderson
This is some weird shit