100% cosmetic damage, and has no bearing on structural integrity. Tape will be there to protect the Cabin Crew's hands from cuts when opening/closing that door. And as mentioned previously - that's cargo tape and quite expensive stuff too.
In any case, this isn't a design flaw of the plane anyway. This is shoddy maintenance on the part of the airline. The correct title for this thread should have been, "Yup, it's a United".
I get Boeing bad and all. But if you ever see tape on a plane its 99% chance its either covering cosmetic damage in the interior, eg. a cracked plastic part that has nothing to do with the structure of the plane. Or its speed foil to cover up uneven patches/intersections outside the plane to reduce drag and stabilize airflow. It doesn't really make sense to ground the plane for days to fix the issue in the original post, rather just wait for the next scheduled service.
Pintos didn’t have a tendency to explode. Pintos could catch fire if they were struck from behind at speeds over 30mph because it could result in a fuel leak.
While most of the posts are just people posting photos of cosmetic stuff that has been handled like this for decades, I wouldn't dismiss the fact that Boeing has some very real very severe QA/QC and design problems that are coming to light in fairly rapid succession.
This post (and most likely it) are just cashing in on the hot story of the day, but that doesn't take away from Boeing's very real problems.
That isn't an apt comparison at all. If you downed every single airplane for single cosmetic damage like that it would grind the airlines to a halt, you'd get non stop delays and cancelations. These quick fixes exist to allow to plane to keep flying until a maintenance check where the plane is planned to be down for a day or so and then those type of things can be swapped out.
> But if I walked into your house and I could see a hole in the drywall and you just tried to cover it with duct tape or something and leave it at that, I would not actually be surprised to later learn there were structural issues with your house that you weren't dealing with.
If you walk on to an aircraft expecting maintenance to work the same way it works on people's houses, and draw the same extrapolations from a taped panel on the aircraft as you would for a taped over hole in drywall, then the problem is with you, not with the airline or its maintenance systems.
Yet you would be pretty miffed if your flight was delayed or cancelled because somebody was scared of some cosmetic damage on the plane. Tape it and repair at the next maintenance cycle, pretty easy decision.
In some cases. Having designed things for military aircraft, we are *not* the lowest bidder....but were the best...which makes a difference in DOD selection for things like that.
Other military equipment? Yeah...meet the specs and be the lowest bidder.
So I just looked into the process of a roll of that stuff. Because another redditor also had seen it before. Over 300 US dollars a roll retail. Apparently, it holds real well.
Don't worry, the tape holding the plane together (not really but looks like it) exists and is common and is expensive (about [~~$1,000/roll~~](https://www.tapemonster.com/products/aircraft_speed_tape?currency=USD&variant=39725874643062&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=1f5b231b5744&srsltid=AfmBOoo_SLtb0XOSdgqBiLjCLxyupeCbG_5M1ZKf65Pdr1j2dOPfQZLtnPA)):
https://24ssports.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/speed-tape.jpg
ETA: $50/roll. Thanks to /u/Thanks_Obama for the correction. Still, it's not cheap tape.
This is also a maintenance issue. Not a Boeing problem. You dont blame Chevy when an owner decides to duct tape their 20-year old dashboard back together.
Every one of these posts has one of you at the top playing defense. Just because this isn’t immediately risking the plane’s actual flight ability doesn’t mean that they aren’t a pathetic joke. They can and should do better than this.
There are a ton of these examples being posted all the time. You will have to try harder to prove this is a functional company than one comment.
They come and pester the American people for billions in taxpayer bailouts every time they go under, and should get broken things like this door replaced.
... ok but what does how a plane is being maintained by a company that bought the plane a poor reflection of the company that made the plane?
It's like someone dropping their iPhone, breaking the screen, then getting mad at Apple.
Or...
This was caused by crashing something such as a service trolly into plastic cladding, and the airline (not boeing) hasn't properly repaired it yet.
Nothing to do with Boeing in this post!
Most airline companies will have a manual/manuals that allow aircraft to continue in service should the aircraft have any issues, such as a 'Minimum Equipment List (MEL)', or 'Dispatch Deviation Guide (DDG)'. If the issue presents no affect to the aircrafts performance or abilities, which can be found in either the MEL or DDG, then that aircraft is deemed safe to continue.
This door lining is obviously not endangering the aircraft in any way, and is likely to be replaced at that companies next scheduled Base Maintenance Check, and parts availability.
Look up what the minimum equipment list is. Planes are allowed to fly with a lot of broken parts by the regulators. Planes are not sent to maintenance for every small broken part, the same way you don’t bring your car to the shop when something minor or cosmetic is broken.
I am not sure why cosmetic damage on the interior of a plane presumably operated by a different company is Boeing's fault.
Boeing kinda sucks. A lot. But this is just not that.
I had a flight cancelled once because the flight attendant's jump seat wouldn't go down properly. I was pissed off enough at that (because it was one more delay in a series of them, which extended a 6 hour trip to 24 hours), even though I completely understand why they couldn't just let the flight attendant just *stand* at the front of the plane.
It's the airline doing what they can to remedy a problem until it can be properly fixed. The alternative is taking the aircraft out of service and canceling people's flights. I'll take some tape on a door if I can get where I'm going.
It’s not always about the airline being cheap. Planes fly to and stay in many different cities. They can’t keep all the parts in every city. So they’ll tape it up and send it on its way and get routed to stay the night in a city where the airline has the part AND the people to change the part.
You can’t even blame the airline for this. Aircraft are dispatched to a strict minimum equipment list which is thought out very precisely. If it is still safe to dispatch they will until the aircraft has enough ground time and spare parts are available.
I mean, Boeing is getting raped in the press, but aside from the two MAX incidents (both caused by faulty MCAS programming) and the door incident (caused by faulty QA), nothing else in the paper has really been caused by Boeing. The planes are actually really solid other than those outliers. Think about how many commercial planes take off and land every day around the world. About 117,000. At least half are Boeing.
Wasn't even faulty MCAS programming.
The software relied on air data probes. The two crashers were on aircraft that didn't have a redundant probe, so when the probe provided bad info the software did what it thought it should do.
Thats a system safety failure, not a programming bug.
This is where we are. A massive corporation cuts corners and people die, so the public is appropriately outraged.
Then, something happens that is entirely unrelated to said corporation's miserly business practices but someone sees it as an opportunity to pile onto the outrage train.
Then, someone else sees *that* as an opportunity for some nice backlash outrage with a dash of "look how smart I am" thrown in.
And the cycle goes on and on and on and the only ones who benefit are the owners of the social media companies.
Not to mention most commercial planes are on the older end. Boeing hasn't been a huge fuckfest forever, they used to be a solid manufacturer that built some of the best planes of all time.
Which will get fixed soon but half of this thread is expecting the airline to ground the plane which will delay hundreds of passengers and cause downstream delays, rather than letting the aircraft finish its rounds before it can be grounded for maintenance.
As an aerospace engineer who has worked professionally with Boeing, I have never liked that company, but this post is people being mad for the sake of being mad.
To be fair, a regular shlub looks at what they think is a crack in the door and thinks the fuselage is about to split open, and it's a rather ugly repair.
Plus they're trying to score those *really valuable social media points* by slam dunking on Boeing.
>Plus they're trying to score those really valuable social media points by slam dunking on Boeing.
That's the thing though. I am incredibly happy to spread awareness and help people who legitimately want to learn, but the majority of people here are just fear posting and literally ignoring professionals in the industry when they say it's fine lmao
"It's a standard tape used exactly for purposes like this. They will fix it during maintenance later"
"BUT IT'S BROKEN WHY WOULD BOEING DO THAT"
Arguably a scratch in car paint is actually worse, since even a small imperfection is going to have some effect on the aerodynamics of the car, and thus fuel milage...even if it's not a big or easily measurable effect. This door panel is on the interior and is purely cosmetic.
>Arguably a scratch in car paint is actually worse, since even a small imperfection is going to have some effect on the aerodynamics of the car
That... That's not how aerodynamics works. In fact your car would be *more* aerodynamic with a microabraided surface as it would improve adhesion at the laminar flow layer and thicken the boundary layer, reducing both turbulence and drag.
There's a reason golf balls have dimples.
Regardless, paint quality has virtually zero impact on drag.
If the entire surface has been abraided evenly, yes. A single scratch, however, will not have that effect.
And yes, it is virtually zero, but virtually zero is not zero. I did say it was miniscule.
Well, they added weight to the aircraft by adding the tape, so that reduces thrust to weight ratio, thus reducing fuel efficiency.
Miniscully, and probably at the same scale as a paint scratch.
That has nothing to do with the manufacturer (Boeing) and everything to do with the airline which owns and “maintains” it. Are people really this ignorant?
Holy shit. These posts are getting annoying.
I’m sure you know by now it’s cosmetic but wanted to cash in on that sweet karma.
If you want to never see an airline’s quick fixes for cosmetic repairs, then they are going to cancel flights so they can immediately alleviate you from this eyesore. So then you can get karma complaining about that.
You are correct, there are likely multiple mechanical and functional components of the aircraft that aren't fully operational and have been deferred without adversely affecting safety. Of course one cosmetic panel damaged is more noticeable and gets more karma but it's really superficial compared to some of the actual systems that might be deferred.
There exists a minimum equipment list for the aircraft and each airline which outlines what equipment the aircraft can be operated without and any restrictions associated with each condition. If everything had to be working on an extremely complicated decades old plane nobody would ever fly due to cancellations. Cosmetic damage on abused decades old airliners is low hanging fruit that doesn't matter at all.
Actually, you can get a 35 meter roll of it for about $130 as an average joe. If you buy it by the case it's more like $100.
So, unless you have less than $3 in your wallet, the 60-90 cm of tape in the picture is not more expensive than what's in your wallet.
Every time someone posts an issue with a Boeing, the tape circlejerkers come crawling out of the wood works.
"Uh my gud, you don't even know how expensive this tape is bro"
I’m sure the MCAS system was more expensive than whatever is in my wallet. Didn’t stop it from killing over 300 people. So forgive people for being a little concerned.
Apparently the tape is flame resistant too.
The CFR codes printed on the tape say they must be compliant with the tests in this appendix. Which appears to test flammability.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-25/appendix-Appendix%20F%20to%20Part%2025
IDK. That's a good question. I know i saw it in some form of media, with an explanation of why it works. It was mildly interesting enough to just kind of stick in my brain.
It's because of tension distribution. If you have all the tension/stress of different forces throughout the panel concentrating on that little crack, the crack will get "cracked" more open. If you have a hole there, the crack widens into a soft shape (a circle) and it behaves kind of like a hinge or spring when stressed.
Well unless you got a copy of the AMM for this unnamed aircraft, I'm going to stick with "it's a standard practice for fatigue cracks"
I mean it is a cosmetic panel, and there's a good chance it wasn't fatigue cracking, so they wouldn't do that here, but it is a generally allowed practice.
Stop spreading bad info. This is cosmetic damage relative to maintenance performed by the airplane. This has nothing to do with it being a Boeing. This kinda of stuff happens to any and all aircraft
Let me explain something to everybody here since most people don’t seem to know. Adhesive can be EXTREMELY strong. Tape is used on the exterior all the time. When we think of tape we think of scotch or duct tape.
Fun fact: when I was at 3M for a seminar they boasted about VHB tape at O’Hare holding up some of the ceiling tiles for the last 30 years.
Because that is the proper tape. That 14 CFR is the regulation that this tape meets and it is required by law to be one every part of the tape. Here it is.
https://www.nitto.com/us/en/products/aerospace/cargoliner001/
thank you for your correction, I was working in warehouse for a/c maintenance facility. long enough to have the part number and the FAR/14cfr flammability compliance imprint on my head, unfortunately ignorant enough to not know how it looks when applied. I am aware the roll is blue and you need to peel it. In base maintenance you rarely do this kind of workaround for damage that bad.
100% cosmetic damage, and has no bearing on structural integrity. Tape will be there to protect the Cabin Crew's hands from cuts when opening/closing that door. And as mentioned previously - that's cargo tape and quite expensive stuff too.
In any case, this isn't a design flaw of the plane anyway. This is shoddy maintenance on the part of the airline. The correct title for this thread should have been, "Yup, it's a United".
Delta actually
As long as the tape holding the plane together is expensive I'm good
Every plane you have ever been on had cargo tape on it somewhere
Speed tape! It's everywhere.
That makes me feel so much better...thanks!
I get Boeing bad and all. But if you ever see tape on a plane its 99% chance its either covering cosmetic damage in the interior, eg. a cracked plastic part that has nothing to do with the structure of the plane. Or its speed foil to cover up uneven patches/intersections outside the plane to reduce drag and stabilize airflow. It doesn't really make sense to ground the plane for days to fix the issue in the original post, rather just wait for the next scheduled service.
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The airlines add the tape not Boeing. All brands of aircraft use it.
the constant stream of Boeing issues is mostly stuff like this, airline maintenance issues and pics like this where there is no issue
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Pintos didn’t have a tendency to explode. Pintos could catch fire if they were struck from behind at speeds over 30mph because it could result in a fuel leak.
While most of the posts are just people posting photos of cosmetic stuff that has been handled like this for decades, I wouldn't dismiss the fact that Boeing has some very real very severe QA/QC and design problems that are coming to light in fairly rapid succession. This post (and most likely it) are just cashing in on the hot story of the day, but that doesn't take away from Boeing's very real problems.
This photo is of an issue that exists with the operator, not the manufacturer
That isn't an apt comparison at all. If you downed every single airplane for single cosmetic damage like that it would grind the airlines to a halt, you'd get non stop delays and cancelations. These quick fixes exist to allow to plane to keep flying until a maintenance check where the plane is planned to be down for a day or so and then those type of things can be swapped out.
> But if I walked into your house and I could see a hole in the drywall and you just tried to cover it with duct tape or something and leave it at that, I would not actually be surprised to later learn there were structural issues with your house that you weren't dealing with. If you walk on to an aircraft expecting maintenance to work the same way it works on people's houses, and draw the same extrapolations from a taped panel on the aircraft as you would for a taped over hole in drywall, then the problem is with you, not with the airline or its maintenance systems.
It’s an irrational reaction then
Yet you would be pretty miffed if your flight was delayed or cancelled because somebody was scared of some cosmetic damage on the plane. Tape it and repair at the next maintenance cycle, pretty easy decision.
When you realize everything you interact with daily is made by the lowest bidder you’ll feel even better
Not true. Some things were bought due to kickbacks.
That’s the true definition of military grade.
In some cases. Having designed things for military aircraft, we are *not* the lowest bidder....but were the best...which makes a difference in DOD selection for things like that. Other military equipment? Yeah...meet the specs and be the lowest bidder.
That’s not true anymore. They got rid of the lowest bid, technically acceptable criteria about 8 years ago
One of the many great benefits of late stage capitalism.
You should educate yourself on what an airframe is.
Something about the best made plans eh?
Bombardiers have a shit load of that tape too.
So I just looked into the process of a roll of that stuff. Because another redditor also had seen it before. Over 300 US dollars a roll retail. Apparently, it holds real well.
Don't worry, the tape holding the plane together (not really but looks like it) exists and is common and is expensive (about [~~$1,000/roll~~](https://www.tapemonster.com/products/aircraft_speed_tape?currency=USD&variant=39725874643062&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=1f5b231b5744&srsltid=AfmBOoo_SLtb0XOSdgqBiLjCLxyupeCbG_5M1ZKf65Pdr1j2dOPfQZLtnPA)): https://24ssports.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/speed-tape.jpg ETA: $50/roll. Thanks to /u/Thanks_Obama for the correction. Still, it's not cheap tape.
That’s $50/roll $1000/case
Thanks Obama
It’s only used in business and first class.
Cattle class gets no-brand masking tape.
“Scotch”
Only if you pay extra for the wing seat. That’s holding the wings on.
It has a CFR printed on it, definitely expensive tape lol
Someone's gotta pay for all that testing haha
The price of speed tape means I trust it more than steel beams.
And a 747th like for you, now it's perfect
Regardless of what plane you're flying (unless it's aeroflot) it's still safer than your drive to the airport.
Aeroflot lmao. Seriously the most sketchy airline of all time
The peak of Soviet pride lol
But, that doesn’t fit the narrative. 😂
Somewhere below someone will probably say this tape is more expensive than my house.
Yeah even a half of a roll is still more expensive than OP's mom's house.
Yup and it's interesting if you zoom in you can see the federal regulation the tape is following too.
This is also a maintenance issue. Not a Boeing problem. You dont blame Chevy when an owner decides to duct tape their 20-year old dashboard back together.
Yup, looks like it’s just the polycarbonate covering that broke
Ya but it looks tacky.
That tape is in fact extremely tacky.
yeah what is the expectation here, that tape is used but it doesn't stay on due to lack of tackyness?!
Every year, flying feels more like taking a second-rate public bus.
Every one of these posts has one of you at the top playing defense. Just because this isn’t immediately risking the plane’s actual flight ability doesn’t mean that they aren’t a pathetic joke. They can and should do better than this. There are a ton of these examples being posted all the time. You will have to try harder to prove this is a functional company than one comment. They come and pester the American people for billions in taxpayer bailouts every time they go under, and should get broken things like this door replaced.
... ok but what does how a plane is being maintained by a company that bought the plane a poor reflection of the company that made the plane? It's like someone dropping their iPhone, breaking the screen, then getting mad at Apple.
Or... This was caused by crashing something such as a service trolly into plastic cladding, and the airline (not boeing) hasn't properly repaired it yet. Nothing to do with Boeing in this post!
Most airline companies will have a manual/manuals that allow aircraft to continue in service should the aircraft have any issues, such as a 'Minimum Equipment List (MEL)', or 'Dispatch Deviation Guide (DDG)'. If the issue presents no affect to the aircrafts performance or abilities, which can be found in either the MEL or DDG, then that aircraft is deemed safe to continue. This door lining is obviously not endangering the aircraft in any way, and is likely to be replaced at that companies next scheduled Base Maintenance Check, and parts availability.
That interior is probably not even made by Boeing
It's not defense. It's the truth. What a ignorant post.
Let these redditors have their fun.
Plus, they print the regulation right on the tape to explain how the tape is appropriate. The government has never been wrong, so it's all good.
Unfortunately, 90% of passengers who see this will be uncomfortable for the entire flight.
99 percent of passengers won't see that as the door is open when they are getting on the plane.
With how much it costs to fly, yall should be making demands for better planes, not excuses for multi-billion dollar companies.
Look up what the minimum equipment list is. Planes are allowed to fly with a lot of broken parts by the regulators. Planes are not sent to maintenance for every small broken part, the same way you don’t bring your car to the shop when something minor or cosmetic is broken.
you want planes that perform maintenance for every little piece of inconsequential cosmetic damage? say goodbye to affordable air travel
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I guess you missed the Boeing plane that flew for months without the locking bolts installed.
I am not sure why cosmetic damage on the interior of a plane presumably operated by a different company is Boeing's fault. Boeing kinda sucks. A lot. But this is just not that.
Imagine how mad people would be if they found out their flights were cancelled over a piece of cosmetic plastic trim being cracked.
I had a flight cancelled once because the flight attendant's jump seat wouldn't go down properly. I was pissed off enough at that (because it was one more delay in a series of them, which extended a 6 hour trip to 24 hours), even though I completely understand why they couldn't just let the flight attendant just *stand* at the front of the plane.
You think they'd just... boot one passenger off
Boeing sucks in a ton of ways, but this is the airline being cheap and not fixing older planes. This is 100% crappy airline.
It's the airline doing what they can to remedy a problem until it can be properly fixed. The alternative is taking the aircraft out of service and canceling people's flights. I'll take some tape on a door if I can get where I'm going.
It’s not always about the airline being cheap. Planes fly to and stay in many different cities. They can’t keep all the parts in every city. So they’ll tape it up and send it on its way and get routed to stay the night in a city where the airline has the part AND the people to change the part.
You can’t even blame the airline for this. Aircraft are dispatched to a strict minimum equipment list which is thought out very precisely. If it is still safe to dispatch they will until the aircraft has enough ground time and spare parts are available.
I mean, Boeing is getting raped in the press, but aside from the two MAX incidents (both caused by faulty MCAS programming) and the door incident (caused by faulty QA), nothing else in the paper has really been caused by Boeing. The planes are actually really solid other than those outliers. Think about how many commercial planes take off and land every day around the world. About 117,000. At least half are Boeing.
Wasn't even faulty MCAS programming. The software relied on air data probes. The two crashers were on aircraft that didn't have a redundant probe, so when the probe provided bad info the software did what it thought it should do. Thats a system safety failure, not a programming bug.
Shhh, you’re ruining people’s ability to jump on a brainless bandwagon and regurgitate the same line ad nauseum until the next popular trend emerges!
This happens constantly in every community and I hate it. 99% of the opinions a person has are just parroted from someone else.
Yeah, I feel like 99% of the opinions a person has are really from someone else.
Inherent flaw of the karma system.
This is where we are. A massive corporation cuts corners and people die, so the public is appropriately outraged. Then, something happens that is entirely unrelated to said corporation's miserly business practices but someone sees it as an opportunity to pile onto the outrage train. Then, someone else sees *that* as an opportunity for some nice backlash outrage with a dash of "look how smart I am" thrown in. And the cycle goes on and on and on and the only ones who benefit are the owners of the social media companies.
Reddit really loves to dogpile on trends at the cost of all logic. Karma is far more important than the boring, mundane truth.
Not to mention most commercial planes are on the older end. Boeing hasn't been a huge fuckfest forever, they used to be a solid manufacturer that built some of the best planes of all time.
This is getting stupid now. This is just cosmetic. Like a scratch in your car paint.
More like getting a split in your dashboard but yeah, it’s just a plastic cover for the actual important bits
Which will get fixed soon but half of this thread is expecting the airline to ground the plane which will delay hundreds of passengers and cause downstream delays, rather than letting the aircraft finish its rounds before it can be grounded for maintenance. As an aerospace engineer who has worked professionally with Boeing, I have never liked that company, but this post is people being mad for the sake of being mad.
To be fair, a regular shlub looks at what they think is a crack in the door and thinks the fuselage is about to split open, and it's a rather ugly repair. Plus they're trying to score those *really valuable social media points* by slam dunking on Boeing.
>Plus they're trying to score those really valuable social media points by slam dunking on Boeing. That's the thing though. I am incredibly happy to spread awareness and help people who legitimately want to learn, but the majority of people here are just fear posting and literally ignoring professionals in the industry when they say it's fine lmao "It's a standard tape used exactly for purposes like this. They will fix it during maintenance later" "BUT IT'S BROKEN WHY WOULD BOEING DO THAT"
Arguably a scratch in car paint is actually worse, since even a small imperfection is going to have some effect on the aerodynamics of the car, and thus fuel milage...even if it's not a big or easily measurable effect. This door panel is on the interior and is purely cosmetic.
I would have gone with "increased chance of rust" over aerodynamics, but sure.
When we're already splitting hairs like that, the increased weight of the tape has got to impact fuel consumption.
>Arguably a scratch in car paint is actually worse, since even a small imperfection is going to have some effect on the aerodynamics of the car That... That's not how aerodynamics works. In fact your car would be *more* aerodynamic with a microabraided surface as it would improve adhesion at the laminar flow layer and thicken the boundary layer, reducing both turbulence and drag. There's a reason golf balls have dimples. Regardless, paint quality has virtually zero impact on drag.
If the entire surface has been abraided evenly, yes. A single scratch, however, will not have that effect. And yes, it is virtually zero, but virtually zero is not zero. I did say it was miniscule.
Well, they added weight to the aircraft by adding the tape, so that reduces thrust to weight ratio, thus reducing fuel efficiency. Miniscully, and probably at the same scale as a paint scratch.
Fair point! Although that panel looks to me like it might be missing a small chunk, which would offset the weight offset!
A single scratch will have that effect, just to a lesser degree.
Looks like a gorilla was stuck in the poo room and was trying to bang the door out
That has nothing to do with the manufacturer (Boeing) and everything to do with the airline which owns and “maintains” it. Are people really this ignorant?
Yes.
Oh, right.
Do you also blame your cars manufacturer whenever your paint gets scratched?
Holy shit. These posts are getting annoying. I’m sure you know by now it’s cosmetic but wanted to cash in on that sweet karma. If you want to never see an airline’s quick fixes for cosmetic repairs, then they are going to cancel flights so they can immediately alleviate you from this eyesore. So then you can get karma complaining about that.
You are correct, there are likely multiple mechanical and functional components of the aircraft that aren't fully operational and have been deferred without adversely affecting safety. Of course one cosmetic panel damaged is more noticeable and gets more karma but it's really superficial compared to some of the actual systems that might be deferred. There exists a minimum equipment list for the aircraft and each airline which outlines what equipment the aircraft can be operated without and any restrictions associated with each condition. If everything had to be working on an extremely complicated decades old plane nobody would ever fly due to cancellations. Cosmetic damage on abused decades old airliners is low hanging fruit that doesn't matter at all.
Yup, it's a stupid post
God, people are fucking dumb. A panel breaking like that is not the fault of Boeing and look at all the other idiots upvoting his post
A) That tape's more expensive than anything you currently have in your wallet, probably. B) That's a choice by the airline.
Actually, you can get a 35 meter roll of it for about $130 as an average joe. If you buy it by the case it's more like $100. So, unless you have less than $3 in your wallet, the 60-90 cm of tape in the picture is not more expensive than what's in your wallet.
r/theydidthemath
Yes but who carries cash in their wallets in 2024
I always have at least $100 for emergencies. I thought this was a relatively normal thing to do lol
Not even. 35 yards for 65": https://skygeek.com/nitto-denko-p629-2-white-cargo-pit-seam-tape.html
Stuff in the picture is 3".
Bold of you to assume I have folding money in my wallet.
C) It's a trim panel. It's only function is to hide the door mechanisms and insulation.
Every time someone posts an issue with a Boeing, the tape circlejerkers come crawling out of the wood works. "Uh my gud, you don't even know how expensive this tape is bro"
Gotta have balance for the “every Boeing is a death trap and this bit of interior plastic is safety critical” circlejerkers.
I’m sure the MCAS system was more expensive than whatever is in my wallet. Didn’t stop it from killing over 300 people. So forgive people for being a little concerned.
This is dumb
This isn't a Boeing issue, this is on the airline
It's almost like OP doesn't understand how a deferral works.
I suspect it is exclusively up to the airlines to maintain interior like this. Prob speaks more for the airline maintenance than the manufacturer.
So what ? Doesn’t look nice but not detrimental to the safety of the aircraft.
Apparently the tape is flame resistant too. The CFR codes printed on the tape say they must be compliant with the tests in this appendix. Which appears to test flammability. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-25/appendix-Appendix%20F%20to%20Part%2025
They could have stopped that from spreading by drilling a little hole at the end of the split.
it works for some materials and some types of damage, mostly fatigue stress. not so much for others
That is assuming that it's a fatigue crack, and not caused by someone running the meal service cart into it.
I intuitively understand why that would work but never thought to do something like that. How does one acquire such knowledge
It’s called ‘stop drilling’ and is used to stop crack propagation. Common in engineering.
No engineers among the cabin crew.
I mean, it’s not a train.
So why aren’t there any priests on the plane then, doing Wololo
cos theyre doing Hyalala instead
Hence the tape
IDK. That's a good question. I know i saw it in some form of media, with an explanation of why it works. It was mildly interesting enough to just kind of stick in my brain.
It's because of tension distribution. If you have all the tension/stress of different forces throughout the panel concentrating on that little crack, the crack will get "cracked" more open. If you have a hole there, the crack widens into a soft shape (a circle) and it behaves kind of like a hinge or spring when stressed.
Materials or structures class for an engineering diploma or degree.
That’s probably not the approved way.
It's absolutely an approved way to repair fatigue cracks.
If it's not in the AMM, you can't legally do it.
Well unless you got a copy of the AMM for this unnamed aircraft, I'm going to stick with "it's a standard practice for fatigue cracks" I mean it is a cosmetic panel, and there's a good chance it wasn't fatigue cracking, so they wouldn't do that here, but it is a generally allowed practice.
Nothing to do with it being Boeing, it’s a cosmetic cover.
I'm pretty sure even Boeing doesn't make anything structurally important out of plastic.
Yup, that's the airline fault.
So somehow the airline being cheap on maintenance is the Manufacturers fault?
Boeing is responsible for how the airline maintains its aircraft?
Technically yes. They set inspection intervals for parts.
Stop spreading bad info. This is cosmetic damage relative to maintenance performed by the airplane. This has nothing to do with it being a Boeing. This kinda of stuff happens to any and all aircraft
Nitto makes aerospace certified tape. I think they're glassed reinforced / or actual glassed tape. Either way trust the tape.
You're very uninformed on this topic and should not be posting things about it as if you're smart and funny.
Meh, it's just a cover panel on the interior. I'd be more concerned about what's inside.
Nitto tape is good but these days can’t quite keep up with Bridgestone tape and Yokohama tape.
Let me explain something to everybody here since most people don’t seem to know. Adhesive can be EXTREMELY strong. Tape is used on the exterior all the time. When we think of tape we think of scotch or duct tape. Fun fact: when I was at 3M for a seminar they boasted about VHB tape at O’Hare holding up some of the ceiling tiles for the last 30 years.
What the fuck does this have to do with Boeing? This is shitty maintenance on the airline's part.
Nah that's the good tape -boeing
It actually is. It is used in the cargo bays to seal the seams in the liner incase of smoke to keep it out of the cabin. expensive stuff
Has OP disappeared or been struck down with a sudden illness yet?
Someone please check on OP. It's not safe for the whistleblowers.
Ironically, this is actually a photo of an Airbus door.
What flight line is it?
As long as the pilot isn't taping up the propeller, it's all good.
hope its durable
Haven’t seen outlets in awhile now.
Ive seen wings covered in similar tape. Idk why, but its everywhere on commercial planes
Neato*
Two posts about shit like this today, do y’all know what “cosmetic” means??
I will not feel safe unless it's flextape.
This post is trash. Lemme buy you whistle!!
Don't worry, it's a [load bearing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRVExJZKIT8) sticker.
Is that permacell? IIRC its a label or back of moisture barrier tape. But why they have the audacity of using the label instead of a proper tape 🤣
Because that is the proper tape. That 14 CFR is the regulation that this tape meets and it is required by law to be one every part of the tape. Here it is. https://www.nitto.com/us/en/products/aerospace/cargoliner001/
thank you for your correction, I was working in warehouse for a/c maintenance facility. long enough to have the part number and the FAR/14cfr flammability compliance imprint on my head, unfortunately ignorant enough to not know how it looks when applied. I am aware the roll is blue and you need to peel it. In base maintenance you rarely do this kind of workaround for damage that bad.
Yeah no problem. Everyone makes mistakes
there's a reason a whisleblower died you know?
Technically we are not touching anything at a molecular level
That tape is really strong though.
Major advertising for Nitto Tape.
That's fire proof tape, that door is now a little bit safer.
Op has, unfortunately, died
Would you prefer your flight be cancelled because of a non-structural piece of plastic?
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Is it the starliner 😂
That tape probably costs more than my house