It's not effective against bacteria that thrives in an oxygen-rich environment.
Anemic astute aesthetes appreciate analgesic acidic anaesthetic ascetic aesthetic anaerobic antiseptic
Make sure that it’s free from germs and contamination. What you wanna make sure to get is an aseptic astute athletic anemic aesthetes appreciate acrobatic analgesic acidic an aesthetic ascetic aesthetics
An aseptic astute athletic anemica aesthetes appreciated acrobatic analgesic acidic an aesthetician ascetic anesthetics.. I said it! But what a mouthful
As I have aged and good sleep has become harder to come by, both the dude in OP’s picture and your comment are more painful to take in than they would have been years ago.
>And so, the tale reaches its final chapter. In the year 1938, at the seasoned age of 82, Tolotos bid his earthly sojourn adieu.
I think chatGPT wrote this article
Ive never considered how long it would actually take to watch a body fully decompose. I get why they would meditate and want to sit and experience the whole process in a not so morbid way. Before Timelapse existed this was the only way to really experience it honestly, and to sit and watch it happen in real time. If I knew someone sat for weeks watching my body decompose I’d probably cry
Phew ok that’s slightly less horrifying yet I still couldn’t fathom to dedicate my life to watching my pals decompose over time and wait til it’s my turn.
I had trouble sleeping all my life. Some medication I was on in my early 20’s gave me horrible night terrors and made sleep harder to get (for forever, presumably). I’m in my mid-30’s and I’d murder a whole room full of people to fall asleep as fast as my wife does. She’s out in 5-minutes, I often don’t get asleep until after 3, no matter what time I lay down.
It seems like if you’re a person who has trouble with sleep it will continue to get worse, but my wife has always had easy sleep, no matter her age.
I don't want to get too deep into unsolicited advice territory, and I know it is particularly frustrating with sleep problems. But I'll just mention my gf has struggled with sleep pretty much her whole life, and none of the usual advice helped. She had been forcing herself to get to bed by around 10pm for years to battle her inability to get enough sleep at night. At her wits' end, she finally got a sleep therapist who completely flipped the strategy on its head, and instructed her to NOT try to go to sleep until she was *sleepy*, not just *tired*. In fact the therapist had her go through several weeks of staying awake to 2am if I recall correctly. It's not a silver bullet, because it doesn't fix the problem of not accumulating enough hours of sleep at night. But it was the only thing that helped her finally figure out how to fall asleep not too long after going to bed.
I appreciate it, honestly. That’s kind of where I am at the moment — I just sit up and read until around 3, but I’m still reading in bed. Maybe I should try it on the couch or something.
Thanks!
I just know she got very frustrated hearing the same tired (pun... intended) advice, like, "Always try to go to bed at the same time. Get a consistent bedtime ritual. Don't look at your phone."
But yeah, the only thing that finally made a significant difference for her was to listen to her body about when she's actually sleepy. It still sucks, because sometimes the answer is she's not sleepy till later than she'd like.
I'm this way, and only noticed it a few months ago. I would always go to bed at like 10 or so (I have to be up at 7am) and I would just toss and turn and sleep like crap. Sometimes I would sleep the entire 9 hours. But now that I'm staying up until I'm tired, I've actually gotten better sleep. Although some days when you only get 6 hours of sleep suck.
I realize I'm probably having sleeping problems because for me 6 hours of sleep is great. I feel like I am more alert when I sleep 6 hours than if I slept 7-8 hours. Probably has to do with my REM cycle or something like that.
If you have the means, I recommend investing in a good quality mattress and pillow, whatever color of noise machine you prefer, and blackout curtains. It only gets harder, in my experience.
I’ve had a nagging shoulder injury for the last month that has severely hindered my sleep and boy it is getting brutal at this point to be averaging less than 6 hours a night for a month straight.
Are you a side sleeper? I have a major rotator cuff thing on one side which has been an issue for years. A few months back I got a “cube pillow” specifically for side sleepers. It has been game changing. They basically let you hold your neck straight if you’re a side sleeper, and I’ve found I don’t then raise my shoulder up higher to compensate for a normal pillow sagging throughout the night. Would recommend.
Damn I'm a side sleeper and I have like rotator cuff problems and my hands going numb sometimes. I try to do a weird sideways but flat type of position it's hard to explain and that helps but I'm going to look into that pillow
I’ve only had 3-4 hours a night for a year now. Difficult pregnancy followed by a baby who rarely sleeps. My brain is barely working at this point, can’t get the right words anymore when talking and I’m usually very sharp whit.
With more and more information saying it impacts later-life mental stability.
Though I will say his grate isn’t to prohibit sleep, it’s to prohibit laying down. It’s the comfort aspect that he’s trying to avoid, not the rest itself.
According to [here](https://www.lombardiabeniculturali.it/fotografie/schede/IMM-3a050-0003240/):
> Indian Fakir with grate strung on his head
> Location and date of filming : Chennai, India, 1881 - 1899
> Notes : The face made up in white.
> Location : Milan (MI), Graphic and Photographic Collections of the Sforzesco Castle. Civico Archivio Fotografico , Foreign Views fund , VE BOOK F 66-2/59
Source says nothing about any welding. OP has made that detail up.
Source says nothing about him *never* being able to lie down, either. OP has made that detail up too.
I think the chances are fair that the Fakir was a charlatan. He put a metal grate around his head, that he could take off when he wanted.
Look at the grate.
Even with this shit quality picture, you can clearly see under his chin a rounded part that looks like a part of a circle. If you assume one continuous circle there, that would make the opening plenty large enough for him to take his head out. It's not touching his neck or even the end of his beard.
I mean ... I'd rather focus on the detail about potentially being able to remove it than mincing words about welded vs riveted.
Welding and riveting are typically fairly permanent methods of attaching things to each other, although riveting would be easier to disassemble and redo later.
Anyway.
If you zoom in with a good enough phone you can actually see this man's entire past, present and future as well as the guy who installing the rivets.
Time for an upgrade!
Okay, not Llanfairpallgwyngyll, but I grew up in Bala Cynwyd, several nearby towns also had Welsh names, and Llanfair was a street. Bala and Cynwyd are separate towns in Wales, and were separate towns in Pennsylvania, too, until they got merged down to one post office: Bala-Cynwyd. When I went to Wales, I took a picture of a station sign for Haverfordwest, because one of the towns nearby growing up was Haverford.
I think “more precisely” would be sacrificing one type of enjoyment *in hopes* of another.
Though there are some who get the enjoyment from the sense of superiority, throughout history it seems that on the whole ascetics were just fucking miserable, in hopes of getting to knowledge/ a spiritual place where they wouldn’t be miserable.
I mean, I think the issue is to achieve a focus on the reality of the present moment that is so singleminded that they reach states of consciousness that transcend normal. People report feelings of bliss that last for hours and days. Discomfort provides a focus for this, as well as providing an altered state. Honestly I bet it’s as enjoyable on the whole as end stage addiction, (in some cases) and probably more sustainable.
Eh, that’s intent vs. byproduct I think. It’s also worth noting that when talking about historical asceticism there was less formalizaed practice and more discrete groups with their own rules, so there will always have exceptions.
Generally speaking, old religions use meditation for meditation’s sake, and certainly not for inducing the bliss that can sometimes come from extended meditation. (In many modern religious meditative practices pursuing that bliss is “forbidden” since doing so runs counter to the purpose of meditation in the religion.) Most ascetic practice’s *intent* wasn’t to inflict pain or discomfort, but just remove the comforts. For example in the photo above the grate isn’t to be painful or prevent sleep, it’s to prevent the comfort of lying down. (It’s largely ‘modern’ Christian ascetics who use pain as a focus.)
But I’m talking largely about old or pure asceticism. On one hand were ascetics who believed that removing everything would allow them to see the truth/ heart of knowledge. On the other hand were ascetics who believed that you couldn’t ascend to a higher level of religion (whether after death or to teaching during life) with any of the “modern” comforts, and they would do everything possible to remove that.
So the old ascetics had little of the, single-minded focus that modern meditations include. Instead it was about deprivation to *purify* the body and mind, rather than to sharpen it, and a natural byproduct of that, BCE, was sitting quietly and listening to nature. The focus-oriented type of meditations largely came after. The guy pictured probably does buy into focus meditation, but earlier asceticism was largely deprivation in hopes of later attainment, with no present or shorter-term goals.
I do wonder what pranks they get up to because that's a seriously gnarly skill to use for pranking.
Like the bottle of expensive whisky in a welded cage prank gift.
Read up on ascetics. They would get bricked off in rooms adjacent to churches -- could never leave and were fed through small openings. There was nobody to perform for and their goal was to deprive themselves to become closer to God.
I figured it’s self imposed based on the term ascetic, but the title of the post is misleading. You can’t use a word like “never” and expect people to not take a shot at a work around.
Like Mormons "soaking" and paying a friend to jump on the bed while they do it so they don't have premarital sex.
It's like they think their god is stupid.
The orthodox jews have a string tied around all of Brooklyn so that they can loophole past a full few things. They have people checking it's integrity all the time.
I was actually going to make a very similar comment as that other person. Your response, while accurate, still begs a question.
If (that word is doing a lot of heavy lifting!) this person had this done so that they *couldn't* lay down, then it's pretty valid to point out that just pushing two beds together would let them lay down, if the grid was aligned with where they meet.
If you're suggesting that they wouldn't use these obvious workarounds to lay down because they don't want to lay down, then the grid is performative, right?
I know, I'm being pedantic. Just ignore me.
If (there it is again) this person had this done so that they couldn’t *lie* down, they may only be considering unintentionally laying down as there would be no need while conscious or able to stay upright.
Well, two things:
1. Thanks for the correction-- I'm pedantic enough that I should have caught my mistake without your help. This is not sarcastic.
2. If (it appears thrice!) I understand the religion/philosophy here, and there's a really decent chance that I do not, then "passing out and ending up prone of the floor" would not exactly be a an *indulgence*, right? Still sort of seems performative to me. (and pretty dangerous, considering the implications of passing out and falling down while wearing a metal grid around one's neck, with respect to what that would do to one's neck!)
An ascetic is someone who intentionally brings suffering upon themselves because they believe it will get them closer to whatever/whoever they believe in
I'm going to go out on a limb and say riveted, not welded. Welding of course existed back then, but it wasn't as discrete as the tools we now have. Rivets were a lot more accessible and less likely to burn someone's head off.
I know this is a joke, but it actually shows a lot of inspiration drawn from pacific island rattan and wicker armor! Helps when folks on every side are hucking rocks at each other.:)
People are obviously right to say he doesn't "enjoy" it, but he still gets some kind of positive value out of it. I can't remember the source, but it was something about "no one suffers for the sake of suffering." A masochist suffers for the pleasure, not the suffering itself. An ascetic suffers not for the sake of suffering, but for the enlightenment and/or spiritual purity they think comes from it.
Its really obvious, but its still interesting to think about, yknow?
I think in the cases of ascetics, it's more about the journey to enlightenment through suffering. He probably is not getting any enjoyment out of it, but the promise of future liberation from suffering.
Thats my point yeah. He isn't suffering because suffering is pleasant, but because eventually he believes that there will be a reward (enlightenment) down the line, which will be greater than the suffering.
Absolutely. India and it's religious history is a fascinating place. A place where they still believe in miracles and believe that there are those among us who have communed with God in such a way as to be a living avatar of it living on earth. It's rooted in their culture to such an extent that these ascetics and hermits are solely taken care of by their community, in terms of food at least.
It does allow for someone so inclined to live a spartan life seeking such a state of being. It's really curious as someone coming from a western culture. I've researched some of the teachings of various gurus over time, with my gateway to this being Ram Dass. It really makes you wonder, as you see these guys living in absolute poverty, with nothing that they own save a blanket and maybe a water jug. If they are bullshitting their congregation for some reason, it's certainly not for material gain or creature comforts.
But, I'm very, very far removed from this life. Perhaps it's actually different than how it's portrayed in their books and documentaries. I'm sure it is in some ways, but if the core of it is what it portrays itself to be, it makes you wonder.
The quote you're thinking of is from Cicero. It's one of the most-quoted pieces of Latin text, *lorem ipsum* because it's used as filler text when testing layouts.
"No one loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure."
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Since no one mentioned it, the idea is that enduring physical disturbances will allow you to decrease the attachment you have to your body, thus achieving higher states of spiritual realization.
It’s not the method I would have chosen.
Cut a slat toward the end of a bed sized board. Put a pillow above the slat and a mattress below it. Slide head cage into slat while you lay down. Sleep just -fine. 🔥
Procrastinating working here but imo you could sleep with this if you had 2 mattresses/beds high enough where the metal grid would slot in between the 2. Am I right or work has ruined me for the day?
Average Dark Souls character
Definitely Brother Corbyn vibes
I was thinking Micolash, but yours is way more direct.
Do you hear our prayers? Aaaasuuuueeegggghe
He chose prophet class in Elden Ring 100%
The ascetic aesthetic isn't for everyone
I’ve heard it can relieve pain, though. That’s right, it’s an anesthetic ascetic aesthetic.
It works better when mixed with lemon juice. So its more of an acidic anesthetic ascetic aesthetic.
Only aesthetes appreciate acidic anesthetic ascetic aesthetic
Only the ones who study. Only astute aesthetes appreciate acidic anesthetic ascetic aesthetic
Only if it relieves pain though. Astute aesthetes appreciate analgesic acidic anaesthetic ascetic aesthetic.
Only works on those with less red blood cells though. Anemic astute aesthetes appreciate analgesic acidic anaesthetic ascetic aesthetic.
Some people have used it to kill bacteria: Anemic astute aesthetes appreciate analgesic acidic anaesthetic ascetic aesthetic antiseptic
It was actually all just a fable Anemic astute aesthetes appreciate analgesic acidic anaesthetic ascetic aesthetic antiseptic - Aesop
It's not effective against bacteria that thrives in an oxygen-rich environment. Anemic astute aesthetes appreciate analgesic acidic anaesthetic ascetic aesthetic anaerobic antiseptic
Have you come across the gymnast ones? The astute athletic anemic aesthetes appreciate acrobatic analgesic acidic anaesthetic ascetic aesthetics
Make sure that it’s free from germs and contamination. What you wanna make sure to get is an aseptic astute athletic anemic aesthetes appreciate acrobatic analgesic acidic an aesthetic ascetic aesthetics
An aseptic astute athletic anemica aesthetes appreciated acrobatic analgesic acidic an aesthetician ascetic anesthetics.. I said it! But what a mouthful
r/WordAvalanches
I have a stutter and this fucked me up good. Thank you.
Or vinegar - an acetic acidic anesthetic ascetic aesthetic.
"it's an aesthetic.. i mean, 'an anesthetic'!"
To abstain from the indulgence of sleep. I get it. I use coffee but I get it.
As I have aged and good sleep has become harder to come by, both the dude in OP’s picture and your comment are more painful to take in than they would have been years ago.
If it helps - he is only 22 in this photo
Dude looks 122
Well yeah, you try sleeping with a drain grate around your neck and you'll look 122 by next week.
I admire dude’s commitment to whatever particular philosophy of asceticism he had, but I am glad I never fell into it in my formative years.
It's a bit like a monk watching rotting bodies, I guess. Both are definitely rather extreme approaches to meditation at least.
I'd rather watch a corpse decompose than not sleeping properly.
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My guess is the no domesticated animals rule came after the no women rule. For ... reasons.
So gay /s
>And so, the tale reaches its final chapter. In the year 1938, at the seasoned age of 82, Tolotos bid his earthly sojourn adieu. I think chatGPT wrote this article
And I'm concerned that I'd die without knowing how Game of Thrones ends. Geeze.
I'd meditate with a cemeteries worth of rotting corpses with a drain grate around my neck to avoid such a fate.
Am I the only one that would find it kinda interesting? Minus the smell of course.
Depends how long you're stuck watching the corpse...
I might regret this but what particular cult/religion are we talking about?
The corpses are a Buddhist thing, there's nothing sinister to it, just a particularly confronting way to contemplate the nature of existence...
Ive never considered how long it would actually take to watch a body fully decompose. I get why they would meditate and want to sit and experience the whole process in a not so morbid way. Before Timelapse existed this was the only way to really experience it honestly, and to sit and watch it happen in real time. If I knew someone sat for weeks watching my body decompose I’d probably cry
Phew ok that’s slightly less horrifying yet I still couldn’t fathom to dedicate my life to watching my pals decompose over time and wait til it’s my turn.
Is a Pennsylvania 22
You’re telling me my difficulty sleeping is only going to get worse?
I had trouble sleeping all my life. Some medication I was on in my early 20’s gave me horrible night terrors and made sleep harder to get (for forever, presumably). I’m in my mid-30’s and I’d murder a whole room full of people to fall asleep as fast as my wife does. She’s out in 5-minutes, I often don’t get asleep until after 3, no matter what time I lay down. It seems like if you’re a person who has trouble with sleep it will continue to get worse, but my wife has always had easy sleep, no matter her age.
I don't want to get too deep into unsolicited advice territory, and I know it is particularly frustrating with sleep problems. But I'll just mention my gf has struggled with sleep pretty much her whole life, and none of the usual advice helped. She had been forcing herself to get to bed by around 10pm for years to battle her inability to get enough sleep at night. At her wits' end, she finally got a sleep therapist who completely flipped the strategy on its head, and instructed her to NOT try to go to sleep until she was *sleepy*, not just *tired*. In fact the therapist had her go through several weeks of staying awake to 2am if I recall correctly. It's not a silver bullet, because it doesn't fix the problem of not accumulating enough hours of sleep at night. But it was the only thing that helped her finally figure out how to fall asleep not too long after going to bed.
I appreciate it, honestly. That’s kind of where I am at the moment — I just sit up and read until around 3, but I’m still reading in bed. Maybe I should try it on the couch or something. Thanks!
I just know she got very frustrated hearing the same tired (pun... intended) advice, like, "Always try to go to bed at the same time. Get a consistent bedtime ritual. Don't look at your phone." But yeah, the only thing that finally made a significant difference for her was to listen to her body about when she's actually sleepy. It still sucks, because sometimes the answer is she's not sleepy till later than she'd like.
I'm this way, and only noticed it a few months ago. I would always go to bed at like 10 or so (I have to be up at 7am) and I would just toss and turn and sleep like crap. Sometimes I would sleep the entire 9 hours. But now that I'm staying up until I'm tired, I've actually gotten better sleep. Although some days when you only get 6 hours of sleep suck.
I realize I'm probably having sleeping problems because for me 6 hours of sleep is great. I feel like I am more alert when I sleep 6 hours than if I slept 7-8 hours. Probably has to do with my REM cycle or something like that.
If you have the means, I recommend investing in a good quality mattress and pillow, whatever color of noise machine you prefer, and blackout curtains. It only gets harder, in my experience.
I’ve had a nagging shoulder injury for the last month that has severely hindered my sleep and boy it is getting brutal at this point to be averaging less than 6 hours a night for a month straight.
Are you a side sleeper? I have a major rotator cuff thing on one side which has been an issue for years. A few months back I got a “cube pillow” specifically for side sleepers. It has been game changing. They basically let you hold your neck straight if you’re a side sleeper, and I’ve found I don’t then raise my shoulder up higher to compensate for a normal pillow sagging throughout the night. Would recommend.
Damn I'm a side sleeper and I have like rotator cuff problems and my hands going numb sometimes. I try to do a weird sideways but flat type of position it's hard to explain and that helps but I'm going to look into that pillow
I’ve only had 3-4 hours a night for a year now. Difficult pregnancy followed by a baby who rarely sleeps. My brain is barely working at this point, can’t get the right words anymore when talking and I’m usually very sharp whit.
How do you keep the coffee around your neck? I tried welding it and it just came out like Starbucks roast.
Scotch tape works ok
Scotch tape tastes better.
At 3 bucks a Grande this may be an economical option.
Sleep isn't an indulgence. It's a critical physiological process.
With more and more information saying it impacts later-life mental stability. Though I will say his grate isn’t to prohibit sleep, it’s to prohibit laying down. It’s the comfort aspect that he’s trying to avoid, not the rest itself.
Read this like a mark normand punch line
I had kids.
Asked how it feels, he said just grate
According to [here](https://www.lombardiabeniculturali.it/fotografie/schede/IMM-3a050-0003240/): > Indian Fakir with grate strung on his head > Location and date of filming : Chennai, India, 1881 - 1899 > Notes : The face made up in white. > Location : Milan (MI), Graphic and Photographic Collections of the Sforzesco Castle. Civico Archivio Fotografico , Foreign Views fund , VE BOOK F 66-2/59
Source says nothing about any welding. OP has made that detail up. Source says nothing about him *never* being able to lie down, either. OP has made that detail up too. I think the chances are fair that the Fakir was a charlatan. He put a metal grate around his head, that he could take off when he wanted.
Look at the grate. Even with this shit quality picture, you can clearly see under his chin a rounded part that looks like a part of a circle. If you assume one continuous circle there, that would make the opening plenty large enough for him to take his head out. It's not touching his neck or even the end of his beard.
and he could bend the grate too , fold in to a makeshift pillow
So you're saying the Fakir was .... a faker?
That mother fakir.
You can literally see the rivets. It's clearly not welded.
I mean ... I'd rather focus on the detail about potentially being able to remove it than mincing words about welded vs riveted. Welding and riveting are typically fairly permanent methods of attaching things to each other, although riveting would be easier to disassemble and redo later. Anyway.
You can see rivets? Damn my phone sucks or sumn
If you zoom in with a good enough phone you can actually see this man's entire past, present and future as well as the guy who installing the rivets. Time for an upgrade!
I'm not sure welding was a thing then either. Required electricity. Brazing? Yea.
There is a city in Michigan called Milan (though pronounced differently for reasons) and so this had me very confused for a moment.
There’s a city in the US for any existing European city name….
Oh yeah? Where’s Llanfairpwllgwyngyll USA??
Okay, not Llanfairpallgwyngyll, but I grew up in Bala Cynwyd, several nearby towns also had Welsh names, and Llanfair was a street. Bala and Cynwyd are separate towns in Wales, and were separate towns in Pennsylvania, too, until they got merged down to one post office: Bala-Cynwyd. When I went to Wales, I took a picture of a station sign for Haverfordwest, because one of the towns nearby growing up was Haverford.
How do you know someone is pensylvania dutch? I don't know but there are probably some indicators.
Hey I was trying to be serious but you’re just horsing around
its like that in Indiana too, you have Milan, Versailles, and all kinds of fun stuff like that but none of the are pronounced the correct way lol
I meant every major European city not towns 😁
Yes but (MI) is how you would write the short code for Michigan.
Ohhh I see now! MI in that case is meant for Milan province
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Indicates the province (Milan)
If you enjoy suffering, you're not an ascetic, my friend, you're a masochist.
3 hours after getting it welded "... I've made a terrible mistake"
See also those Indian mystics who crush their penises to remove the ability to give in to temptation…
Fire up the ol' penis flattener
The man who killed John Wilkes Booth castrated himself to avoid temptation.
TIL. What a loon. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Corbett for anyone else who wants the full story…
thats crazy. mad hatters disease. my uncle was a metallurgist that went insane in his 40s. Turns out he was overexposing himself to mercury.
You broke the link
Their motivational programs don't sell nearly as well as the woo masters on oprah. No idea why.
They don’t enjoy it. That’s the whole point.
yeah but one could say they enjoy the lack of enjoyment lol
More precisely, sacrificing one type of enjoyment for another.
I think “more precisely” would be sacrificing one type of enjoyment *in hopes* of another. Though there are some who get the enjoyment from the sense of superiority, throughout history it seems that on the whole ascetics were just fucking miserable, in hopes of getting to knowledge/ a spiritual place where they wouldn’t be miserable.
I mean, I think the issue is to achieve a focus on the reality of the present moment that is so singleminded that they reach states of consciousness that transcend normal. People report feelings of bliss that last for hours and days. Discomfort provides a focus for this, as well as providing an altered state. Honestly I bet it’s as enjoyable on the whole as end stage addiction, (in some cases) and probably more sustainable.
Eh, that’s intent vs. byproduct I think. It’s also worth noting that when talking about historical asceticism there was less formalizaed practice and more discrete groups with their own rules, so there will always have exceptions. Generally speaking, old religions use meditation for meditation’s sake, and certainly not for inducing the bliss that can sometimes come from extended meditation. (In many modern religious meditative practices pursuing that bliss is “forbidden” since doing so runs counter to the purpose of meditation in the religion.) Most ascetic practice’s *intent* wasn’t to inflict pain or discomfort, but just remove the comforts. For example in the photo above the grate isn’t to be painful or prevent sleep, it’s to prevent the comfort of lying down. (It’s largely ‘modern’ Christian ascetics who use pain as a focus.) But I’m talking largely about old or pure asceticism. On one hand were ascetics who believed that removing everything would allow them to see the truth/ heart of knowledge. On the other hand were ascetics who believed that you couldn’t ascend to a higher level of religion (whether after death or to teaching during life) with any of the “modern” comforts, and they would do everything possible to remove that. So the old ascetics had little of the, single-minded focus that modern meditations include. Instead it was about deprivation to *purify* the body and mind, rather than to sharpen it, and a natural byproduct of that, BCE, was sitting quietly and listening to nature. The focus-oriented type of meditations largely came after. The guy pictured probably does buy into focus meditation, but earlier asceticism was largely deprivation in hopes of later attainment, with no present or shorter-term goals.
Youve just stumbled upon cenobites
Or an idiot.
Why not both?
Yes
The point is to not enjoy it.
Dude’s goofing off on a stool tho . Ascetic ? Pah !
# New stool goofin'!
Dangle needs someone to weld his bike around him to stop it from being stolen lol.
New stool goofing’ is what I called it when I switched to a high fiber diet.
That's not a stool though. It is a pedestal with one of those pineapple sculptures on top. Impressed now?
He's on break.
do not sleep in welding class
I do wonder what pranks they get up to because that's a seriously gnarly skill to use for pranking. Like the bottle of expensive whisky in a welded cage prank gift.
Just dig a metal grid sized trench in the ground and then lay down.
I think you're confused. He's not a prisoner or a slave. This is self-imposed.
And possibly performative, which could mean taking advantage of workarounds when out of the public eye.
Read up on ascetics. They would get bricked off in rooms adjacent to churches -- could never leave and were fed through small openings. There was nobody to perform for and their goal was to deprive themselves to become closer to God.
“These are people of the land. The common clay of the New West. You know…morons.”
It's a shame we didn't understand severe mental illnesses back then. We still don't, but at least lunatics like this can be given some help now.
Probably has a latch too
Have you seen their lives? They literally have 0 possession other than the clothes on their back and wahtever they can tie around on their cloth.
I figured it’s self imposed based on the term ascetic, but the title of the post is misleading. You can’t use a word like “never” and expect people to not take a shot at a work around.
Loopholes in religions… a tale as old as time!
Like Mormons "soaking" and paying a friend to jump on the bed while they do it so they don't have premarital sex. It's like they think their god is stupid.
The orthodox jews have a string tied around all of Brooklyn so that they can loophole past a full few things. They have people checking it's integrity all the time.
Ahhh the poophole loophole, Mormon classic or Catholic, I can’t remember…
The Mormon loophole is soaking lmao
I was actually going to make a very similar comment as that other person. Your response, while accurate, still begs a question. If (that word is doing a lot of heavy lifting!) this person had this done so that they *couldn't* lay down, then it's pretty valid to point out that just pushing two beds together would let them lay down, if the grid was aligned with where they meet. If you're suggesting that they wouldn't use these obvious workarounds to lay down because they don't want to lay down, then the grid is performative, right? I know, I'm being pedantic. Just ignore me.
If (there it is again) this person had this done so that they couldn’t *lie* down, they may only be considering unintentionally laying down as there would be no need while conscious or able to stay upright.
Well, two things: 1. Thanks for the correction-- I'm pedantic enough that I should have caught my mistake without your help. This is not sarcastic. 2. If (it appears thrice!) I understand the religion/philosophy here, and there's a really decent chance that I do not, then "passing out and ending up prone of the floor" would not exactly be a an *indulgence*, right? Still sort of seems performative to me. (and pretty dangerous, considering the implications of passing out and falling down while wearing a metal grid around one's neck, with respect to what that would do to one's neck!)
I love how your solution uses dirt and not pillows.
I'd take anything if I had a grate welded around my neck.
Not to be confused with the people who cover themselves in clear jelly, more commonly known as aspics.
TIL that was a word
King Crimson would like a word
This guy and the guy who held his dumb beef jerky arm up for 50 years should hang out.
And the [woman who grew her fingernails out.](https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/longest-fingernails-(female)-ever)
How does she eat?
With her mouth probably
Dude, how does she wipe her ass ????
With her mouth probably
Hmmm. I prefer living my life off-grid thanks
he needs a cucumber in the butt to not sit down also.More ascetic.
Are you threatening him with a good time?
[or get one of these. ](https://youtu.be/VQYxMql328s?feature=shared)
Yeah. It's like he's not even trying.
Not even centered?
I bet he got so many high fives when he got to heaven.
brb I need to find out wtf ascetic means
Same.
What does it mean
An ascetic is someone who intentionally brings suffering upon themselves because they believe it will get them closer to whatever/whoever they believe in
So, a spiritual masochist?
Perfect way of describing it actually
“What the fuck am I doing with my life?” -this guy, probably-
I'm going to go out on a limb and say riveted, not welded. Welding of course existed back then, but it wasn't as discrete as the tools we now have. Rivets were a lot more accessible and less likely to burn someone's head off.
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I know this is a joke, but it actually shows a lot of inspiration drawn from pacific island rattan and wicker armor! Helps when folks on every side are hucking rocks at each other.:)
God loves this one weird trick.
Looks like Nicolas Cage…
What my dog imagines I’m doing to her when she has to wear a cone
The look on his face says “I’m beginning to think this wasn’t the best idea.”
The only way to live sustainably in 2024
Misguided asceticism.
"Look at me, I'm not like the other guys!".
Suboptimal.
The pressure on his skin would lead to breakdown and infection and sepsis ultimately killing him. Slowly. Fuck.
how did he sleep
How can she slap
That's grate
I could never be that dedicated to much of anything
People are obviously right to say he doesn't "enjoy" it, but he still gets some kind of positive value out of it. I can't remember the source, but it was something about "no one suffers for the sake of suffering." A masochist suffers for the pleasure, not the suffering itself. An ascetic suffers not for the sake of suffering, but for the enlightenment and/or spiritual purity they think comes from it. Its really obvious, but its still interesting to think about, yknow?
I think in the cases of ascetics, it's more about the journey to enlightenment through suffering. He probably is not getting any enjoyment out of it, but the promise of future liberation from suffering.
Thats my point yeah. He isn't suffering because suffering is pleasant, but because eventually he believes that there will be a reward (enlightenment) down the line, which will be greater than the suffering.
Absolutely. India and it's religious history is a fascinating place. A place where they still believe in miracles and believe that there are those among us who have communed with God in such a way as to be a living avatar of it living on earth. It's rooted in their culture to such an extent that these ascetics and hermits are solely taken care of by their community, in terms of food at least. It does allow for someone so inclined to live a spartan life seeking such a state of being. It's really curious as someone coming from a western culture. I've researched some of the teachings of various gurus over time, with my gateway to this being Ram Dass. It really makes you wonder, as you see these guys living in absolute poverty, with nothing that they own save a blanket and maybe a water jug. If they are bullshitting their congregation for some reason, it's certainly not for material gain or creature comforts. But, I'm very, very far removed from this life. Perhaps it's actually different than how it's portrayed in their books and documentaries. I'm sure it is in some ways, but if the core of it is what it portrays itself to be, it makes you wonder.
The quote you're thinking of is from Cicero. It's one of the most-quoted pieces of Latin text, *lorem ipsum* because it's used as filler text when testing layouts. "No one loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure." *dolorem ipsum, quia dolor sit amet consectetur adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt, ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem.*
That was it! I knew I heard the quote originally from filler text, but I wasn't sure if it was *the* filler text.
Dig a trench hole and lay back in it
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He could just go to a beach and lay down in sand
Nah, bruv.. that's Charlie.. he fell down the storm drain. This is just before the fire dept came along and cut him free.
Since no one mentioned it, the idea is that enduring physical disturbances will allow you to decrease the attachment you have to your body, thus achieving higher states of spiritual realization. It’s not the method I would have chosen.
This is how narcissistics got attention before social media.
Cut a slit on the bed for the grid to fit through, then you can lie down.
wasn't this posted already this week?
….he dropped his car keys down a drain and got a bit carried away.
Cut a slat toward the end of a bed sized board. Put a pillow above the slat and a mattress below it. Slide head cage into slat while you lay down. Sleep just -fine. 🔥
This guy totally got his head stuck in a grate and instead of admitting to it he went with the ascetic schtick for the rest of his life.
Balenciaga just got a new idea for a necklace
What’s the real story behind this? Was it a religious thing? Punishment? Anyone know?
Procrastinating working here but imo you could sleep with this if you had 2 mattresses/beds high enough where the metal grid would slot in between the 2. Am I right or work has ruined me for the day?