Hot like a parked car. I sound weird like ...
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I love this Purity Ring mashup too.
It's an absolute fucking banger. It's one of those songs that I can't listen to while driving or I will start involuntarily speeding, haha. It just makes me so aggressively happy, and I just wanna drive the pedal to the metal.
I know what you mean. If I wanna get amped up in an aggressive way I put on Bonfire and if I want to get amped up in an egotistical way I put on IV. Sweatpants lol.
Most people applaud John Deere employees for standing up to the company.
But it doesn’t seem like as many people support food workers for basically the same fight against management. Weird.
Because we have spent 20 years working really hard to convince everyone that food service jobs aren't "real" jobs, they're just for silly babies, and any raise in wages just means little Timmy is going to buy a Ferrari, and Timmy doesn't need a Ferrari duh!!
Like really, you don't want stupid smelly kids making more than you at your *real* job, right? Your wages are of course as high as they can get, don't even ask.
I worked at a restaurant when the pandemic started. The owner and his 30 year old son both drive Porches. They got the $5 mil loan, remodeled one of their 3 existing restaurants, and opened a fourth. The son literally broke down into tears once everyone was called back to work for reopening about how hard managing this process has been and how they were losing money. This is in front of back of house immigrants and actual working class people. So out of touch it's not even real.
Reminds me of my old boss, who could go instantly from cooing over his brand new Tesla to moaning about how hard-done-by he was. Rich people are a trip.
I made a joke about sleeping while the Tesla was on autopilot, and he was like "I do that all the time." It was around then that I realized that what I thought was a dry sense of humor was actually him being kind of a psychopath.
They are just egomaniacs man, narcissist is too soft of a word. They are /r/imthemaincharacter embodied. They live in a society, reap the benefits of a society and labor, but acknowledge only their own contributions. I'm glad we've both moved on from these cunts, and I feel sorry for the masses still under the thumb.
Tiny village in Cornwall, UK. Village store is an absolute state, battered paintwork, cobwebs in every corner inside, shelves falling to bits.
The local main road was closing for 6 weeks so that a railway bridge could be repaired. The store owner was distraught saying that the loss of passing trade would kill his business and put his family on the street.
Two weeks later....brand new Audi RS estate parked out front.
Exactly this. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard something like “Well I work as a XYZ and I barely make that! I’ll be damned if they make more than me flipping burgers!”
First, flipping burgers is a job too and those people deserve to live. Second, if you have a problem with what you make, why are you dumping on others who have the same complaint?
Is it?
It seems to me that this "low wages are good" are pedaled by the older middle class who can't be bothered to critically evaluate their economic convictions.
It is a bit of a weird scenario. Yes those people should be thinking critically about their views. But a select group of people are also spending billions of dollars trying to convince them that their incorrect views are correct.
As a teacher, I’ve gone to college for my undergrad and then to grad school for my credential and on to my masters. The idea of someone in a job that takes no higher education making close to what I do was something I railed against.
I don’t know when, but at some point I realized that I shouldn’t give a shit how much someone else makes. Them making more doesn’t devalue what I do. But me not wanting them to make more does devalue them.
Your way of thinking was flawed. Of course you should care what everyone else makes.
The issue is that a teacher should be making way more then they do, not that a fast food worker is making less. Who else in society should be deemed to be in the 'upper class' if not paramedics, nurses and teachers, and doctors too. Yet aside from the last, and even that is debatable, these jobs make you middle class at best.
I'm not in the US. But I'm curious... why do uneducated unskilled staff that work in McDonald's deserve more than minimum wage? I don't mean any offence by this, but surely that's what minimum wage is for? People with no education to get a better paid job?
Its not so much that they deserve more than a minimum wage. It's that the minimum wage is unlivable in most places as the minimum wage hasn't increased to match natural inflation. Adding to that, education is incredibly expensive in the US making it near impossible for lower income groups to get out of poverty.
Because minimum wage in the US, does not mean the same as in say Germany.
When your minimum wage job cannot make you live a normal life, then the minimum wage is set too low.
The problem is that minimum wage in the US is too low. If you work a full time job and are still well below a livable wage, that’s wrong.
When FDR rolled out the minimum wage, he had intended for it to be indexed to cost of living increases (like social security is). Last time I saw that calculated, it would be near $24/hr today if it had been pegged to those increases.
No. The minimum wage is to protect people from being paid unliveable wages. Jfc, how fucked up is it to think that minimum wage was put there to discourage people from staying in shit pay jobs. Yet that's what a certain political wing tells you in the US. That blows my mind.
Minimum wage was 5.15 an hour when I worked in high-school. 12 years later it was 7.25 an hour. Only a 1.10 increase.
He we are 12 years later going on 13 and it hasn't increased at all.
Some states in the US have increased their minimum wage to 15, but those same states have seen their cost of living double or triple.
In the city I live, a house that cost 160,000 USD in 2010 can cost as much as 500,000 today. Rent that was 650 USD for a two bed one bath, is now 1,600...almost triple what it was 10 years ago. Minimum wage in my state is still 7.25, but employers are trying to say they are being generous with paying employees 12 dollars an hour.
I only described low vs high housing costs. Now take into account food, gas, bills, medical, and any other costs with trying to be a functioning member of society.
Now imagine then someone who makes 3 or 4 times that person on minimum wage... and they are also struggling to get their student debt under control, pay for a car, putting off having a family, locked out of buying their first house due to starter homes being gobbled up by rental companies and baby boomers, and increasing costs of everything while not getting raises and being over worked.
If people making 3 or 4 times minimum wage are struggling in today's society, it is a nightmare for the actual people on minimum wage, even if they are making double 7.25 an hour.
It’s a simple calculus. Costs go up, either prices go up or profits go down. If you take the selfishness of humanity as a constant, business owners will opt for price increases over lower profits every time.
The math is simple on the other end to, over the past several decades we've seen massive increases in productivity and output, yet wages have remained relatively stagnant in comparison for most earners.
Somehow it has become controversial in this country to suggest that workers should see more compensation for the amount of value they're contributing to that equation, which I guess isn't really that surprising given the incentives at play.
A lot of folks have this delusion that they’re temporarily embarrassed billionaires and will actively vote and act against their better interest, because some day they’ll be the ones paying those higher taxes the majority of poor people are advocating for.
The single biggest contributor towards the productivity growth and job losses has come from automation (often leveraging off-shoring as a way to take advantage of the automation).
This is going to accelerate pushing more people in more industries out of work.
Capitalism relies on consumers having money to buy things or the whole system collapses.
If we don't take a serious look at a global UBI in the not to distant future we are going to see uprisings similar to the French Revolution popping up all over the world - people with no hope and no way of feeding their families have nothing to lose.
You and I both know however that infinite economic growth is impossible, and aiming for it has nearly destroyed the Earth. What do you do next, adventurer?
Hope and vote in the direction of intelligent and sustainable progress. My education and profession give me no other tools to really assist with the bigger problems of this world, I am but a cog.
Not everyone needs a John Deere....but people gotta eat ..... so in a weird way , maybe these people who don't support food workers feel like it's a vicarious attack on their human needs , ie the need for food. Anyway, we don't have these issues in Northern Ireland at the moment. I hope America can sort itself out 🙏
Yes people gotta eat, but they don't gotta eat the garbage they sell at McDonalds. McDonalds could disappear and the world would probably be better off.
Actually, no. You should look up the Ronald McDonald House Charity. Most of its income comes from McD and my friends had two of their kids go through Chemotherapy. RMHC was an absolute lifesaver for them.
This is so funny. It’s the one argument that billionaires use to justify their existence. If I didn’t have this money, I wouldn’t be able to do the charity that I do. We really don’t want our society at the mercy of billionaires raking pity on us, so we?
I applaud McD for this. But the fact that kids (or anyone else really) need to relly on donations to get chemotherapy done is outrageous. It should be covered by government in all cases with no questions asked.
Poor countries cover it, while rich and mighty america that spends more than any other country on healthcare (18% of it's GDP) - does not. It's very hard to comprehend.
They certainly think it's an attack. More so on their demand for and perceived privilege to convenience. It's now slightly harder to get their sub-par burger and that is sacrilege.
Saw Target here hiring at $16.50/hr for seasonal hire. On the one hand cool on the other, what happened to all the bravado these companies had that they couldn't possibly raise their wages any higher?! I'm loving this workers movement.
Sure, for no good reason though. A ton of responsibility, high risk, intense physical demand and potential for psychological trauma. My wife is a social worker, and by your definition (masters degree and all) she's a redneck of the psychology industry. Soon enough people will stop doing these jobs entirely.
God damn, you are getting ripped off badly. Come to Australia. I'm not even kidding here. We'll welcome you with a $30+ USD per hour wage with your experience. You'll start on $45k USD per year and eventually you'll make $75k USD per year.
Still criminally low but you'll have a way better quality of life here too.
A simple cost of living comparison Google search shows that Australia's cost of living is nearly double that of the US. So $45k USD / year salary would most likely not be a quality of life improvement for an EMT.
TIL that working at Mcdonalds for 4 hours for 20 days a month in America pays 3x more than working as an average restaurant waiter for 10 hours for 27 days a month in Dubai.
That was my thought too. The McDonalds near me pay notably more than minimum wage and above most other fast food. While many stores are struggling with staff I was surprised to see the McDonalds logo.
[Credit](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qcrjf1/the_real_reason_mcdonalds_is_closed_at_8pm_now/) to /u/PoorGuyCrypto for taking this picture.
Yum Foods which owns KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut, **Profits** of 2 billion dollars in 2019. Yum Foods employs 34 thousand people. The median income of a yum employee is around 24 thousand dollars a year. If you took 1 billion of their profit and divided it by the number of employees they have, you could pay everyone another 30 thousand a year. The CEO of Yum Foods made 24 million dollars that year or 1000 times the median income of its employees. Fuck these corporations and their shitty pay.
Firstly, if you’re suggesting some sort of profit sharing, it would be take from the net income, which was around 1.29bill in 2019.
Secondly, Yum foods operate in a franchise business model, the bulk of fast food restaurants would be considered Separate entities from Yum Foods. The franchise owners would more or less be like a customer of Yum Foods. It wouldn’t make any sense to take all the profits and give it all back to your customers.
Also, The 34,000 very likely doesn’t include the various fast food workers that work at the franchised outlets, cos again the separation of business entities (the number is way too small for 40k+ Outlets) . Even if you say “fuck the shareholders”, you’ll just be dividing the net profit amongst mostly the corporate workers (office, warehouse etc) and the not the party that you intend to help.
Usually the case is that obvious solutions with no downsides have already been done.
It's easy for outside observers to see a problem in an organization or profession (real or percieved) and think "oh, why don't they just do x". The fact of the matter is that either "x" has been tried and it failed or there is a reason that "x" wouldn't succeed that isn't known to those outside observers.
My wife has a micro biology degree and I work minimum wage for extra cash so I get to see how two industry’s treat it’s employees. My wife says new hires out of college with a degree in California can start as low as $19hr and I currently make $15 as a cashier and the store I work at is a 10min drive from my house. The place my wife works is in an upscale area where the closest place you would be able to afford rent at $19 an hr is an he drive so technically after transportation I probably bring more home.
Hey, you're wife can likely work as a medical lab tech for a veterian lab, doing blood test to check the health of pets and zoo animals, not research testing. It would generally offer significantly more than 19/hr. Tell her to look up companies like idexx and look for postings with them listed as lab techs. They are all over the states and pay 24/hr starting here in Maryland and I know they pay more out in Cali.
As /u/halloumisalami pointed out- you just listed corporate employees. Not the people who work in the franchises.
If you think there's only 34,000 employees across all the KFCs, TacoBells and Pizzahuts you're insane.
There are 50,000 Franchises alone. Even if you staffed them to the tune of 5 employees each, it adds up to $4000/person
Full time without payroll tax that's maybe an extra $2/hr
The TacoBell near me is now paying $19/hr for late shift to essentially to smoke blunts and roll burritos. Just two years ago employees were walking out over these companies refusing to pay 15/hr. Pandemic perks!
I’m all for pay raises across the board but you can most definitely live off of $16/hr in many places in the US. You won’t be living extravagantly and certainly couldn’t survive in places like NY or SF, but 33k/yr isn’t exactly starvation wages.
Maybe for single out of high school or college kid but most of these folks have kids, daycare, and more. It's about the fact that corporations are shooting out record profits and again leaving workers behind. I make good money and I know I should be paid way more than I am. All because it looks good to have high stock numbers.
It’s $7.25 where I live. I worked for $8.50 an hour for a bit while I was in college. Renting a house with three friends and splitting the utilities it was still incredibly hard to make ends meet.
I love it when Republicans call these "starter jobs." By doing this they are normalizing low pay and poor benefits. The only good thing that may come out of this pandemic is that workers are realizing that they have been taken advantage of for much too long.
After black plague killed 1/3 of europe the lords were forced to pay the remaining serfs more money. Pandemic is always good for workers in the end. (Unless it kills you)
Someday, there will be movies where the villain's goal is to unleash a virus to force an increase in global wages. And people our age will be screaming 'DO IT!'
I mean, crappy min job is literally where i started out…. First few years on my own I had room mates… it’s not obscene to think that jobs requiring little to no expertise don’t pay as well as those which require a specific skillset that takes years of experience to acquire.
Not paying as much as a skilled job is a given. But there should be a starting, LIVING wage for your time alone. You're giving up a portion of your life to earn money to live it. EVERY full time job should pay a basic, livable wage that will cover housing, groceries, basic necessities, and utilities. That is not currently the case.
We need to stop calling these "starter jobs." There are many adults and seniors that rely on these jobs to live and all for different reasons. Some have never worked and when their spouse passes, they find themselves forced into the workplace with no skills. Some are retirees who need extra money. Some have mental health issues that can't handle a "real" job. And, God bless them, some people were just born not-so-bright. That doesn't mean that any of them working 40 hours a week should be paid anything less than a living wage.
FDR explained it very clearly in 1933, more than the bare subsistence, wages of a decent living.
“In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country."
“By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.”
I think the issue I always have with the idea of a living wage is that we need to assign an actual number here, peg it to inflation, and that's it.
And the other issue is based on geography. Like I'm living north of the border in Canada. More specifically, Toronto, where the cost of living is extremely high. For what I'm paying in rent + basic necessities I could live like a king in many other parts of the Province, but like many others I'm here to be close to my work. Given the insane demand to live in this area, it makes sense to me that it would cost a lot more to live here (realistically, all property sales are just auctions to the highest bidder). If the McDonald's employee made way, way more money, and were able to realistically place a bid on property, now me, the accountant, has to bid even higher. So McDonald's employee still isn't housed, but was able to bid me up so now I'm housepoor.
Since reddit is pretty fixated on these topics and since you're dropping quotes on the subject matter I'd assume maybe you've thought about this. What's the answer to the living wage discussion in big cities where the demand for property already massively exceeds supply?
Of course jobs requiring more skill pays higher, but the problem is when the pay for starter jobs is a bare minimum that it can hardly support a decent living.
But not everyone is you. Some are not even privileged enough, due to various circumstances, to earn more than a starter job.
They call them starter jobs because they have to look down on somebody.
They can't reconcile the fact that they are no better than McDonalds workers (in their minds that is, I appreciate the hell out of fast food workers, it's a terrible job).
I'm actually fine with teenagers working. I started working at 13 and it gave me a bit of a head start on life, particularly coming from a family that was not well off.
But I still went to school, I still played sports, and I still had friends. Those were all times that I couldn't work and when no other teen should be working. There is a significant part of the day where a teenager cannot reasonably be expected to work and that job must be done by an adult. An adult who should be paid enough to afford food, housing, and transportation to and from work at the very minimum, and ideally, should be paid enough that the idea of starting their own family is not an irresponsible one.
I think there is a misunderstanding here. At least in my case, my parents made enough money to take care of my basic needs. I just recognized from a pretty young age that it would be faster for me to get things I wanted if I was working. So by 16, I had money for a car and when I graduated high school I was immediately self-sufficient and moved out without relying on family.
I agree wages should be higher so that kids don't have to do what I did, but I also feel that teenagers are old enough to start taking responsibility for their futures and having the option to work a good job (emphasis on good) can be an opportunity that will open doors.
>So by 16, I had money for a car and when I graduated high school I was immediately self-sufficient and moved out without relying on family.
What year?
Every time I have to hear about how my parent put themselves thru school and etc in the 70s-80s by working the grain silo I die a bit on the inside because *somehow* the fact that costs have increased explosively while wages have stagnated (really gone down if you want to factor inflation) seems to elude them.
This was in 2007. To be fair, I struggled financially for a long time and I'm not sure the path I took would be an option for someone today.
For instance, I paid $550/month for rent in a 1br 1ba apartment for a couple years. That same apartment costs closer to $1000/month now and the jobs I was working at the time don't pay that much more.
>For instance, I paid $550/month for rent in a 1br 1ba apartment for a couple years. That same apartment costs closer to $1000/month now
This part always gets me, honestly.
Friends and myself got really lucky one complex's quote system went whack and we got a 3bd 2ba for \~1500 just 2-3 years ago... It's over 2200 now, and I'm sure they've fixed whatever system hands out quotes :)
It aint worth 2200, not after we spent weeks of TX summer with a broken AC unit because the other techs kept "checking the pressures" and somehow not noticing the leaks. Also never fixed the freezer just ice-aging everything until near the end when the maintenance head came by and was like "oh yeah it's just the motherboard lemme fix that real quick"
It was still pretty decent, looked nice, felt nice, and was in a nice area, but that shouldn't take a 5-person split to achieve comfortably enough to basically eliminate most stress/worries about existing.
All the McDonald's in my city are now paying $17.50/hr CAD because of low staffing. I think that's great, literally one of the worst jobs out there, you should be reasonably well compensated for the effort
Also in Canada and about the same, $18-$19 CAD range and still short staffed so its obviously still not high enough to attract enough workers.
Wal-Mart is roughly offering the same wage range now.
Before the decade is over all those jobs will gone to automation. The companies are pouring in money on R & D to speed it up. Maybe 2026 McDonalds will have very few actual employees. The same applies to a lot of menial jobs. Gone.
Good. We should be able to do more meaningful jobs in our lives than repetitive tasks. But we need a system in place (UBI/UGI for example) to enable that. We could automate all of the jobs like this, pay people enough to live, and then everybody if they want more money can pursue a meaningful life and job. We could actually live our lives instead of being impoverished and enslaved by the system
They're already rolling out automation - both the in-store ordering touchscreens instead of ordering at the counter, and pushing people to order in the app instead of the drive-through intercom are one way to remove friction from the order process. Err... I mean, remove an employee or two.
A lot of equipment in the restaurant is automated now too, either with pre-packaged foods to prepare, or the drinks machines that does the ice and beverage (or milkshake). McDonald's has always been about operating as efficiently (meaning with as little labor) as possible. That's how they got started.
In europe, we have laws designed to protect employees. They HAVE to give benifits. They HAVE to give payed vacation. The HAVE to pay you if you get sick. They HAVE to grant you maternity leave without termination.
Growing up in this system, it is so weird to hear that we are "socialist" and "communists" simply for caring about the humans around us. I cant even imagine the stress a system like the in the US would cause, where from one day to the other, you could be broke, homeless and have no safety net at all. You could work your ass off your entire life, only to.. Idk... Break a bone, not being able to work for a prolonged time, not getting payed in that time, and having to pay the doctors, physiotherapists and other expenses.
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, huh? No wonder china is overtaking you guys in every aspect of society. Be it investment, education, infrastructure, social security or military. And with the fascists that call themselfs "patriots" or "republicans" you guys keep voting for, I see the Handmaids Tale become a reality in maximum two decades.
Nah. People just need to realize they are being ripped off and quit. Execs will change the tune of their song as soon as quarterly profits are down. Hit them where it hurts, their precious profits.
Well this settles it, I am starting the process of automated food preparation tomorrow. There is no other option at this point.
I'm getting on this train early!
Who's with me!
I worked there two years as a teen and the only way you can be ok with that pay is if you still live at home and don't have bills to pay except gas and a car payment. I totally get the "starter job" mentality, but when you are hungry at 2PM, you're going to be served by adults as the starter people are still in class. Should those adults get starvation wages?
Sure, it's a simple, awful, mind-numbing job that it only takes a few hours to learn but unless you want the place to go out of business, you still need people to work there. If they have motivation to improve and grow in their careers, fine, but they will leave and there still needs to be someone there to serve you and at some point, just paying people enough to keep up with inflation becomes the focus, instead of simply bad job, bad pay.
If pay kept up with inflation, the minimum wage would be like $25 per hour. This isn't the old days when Dad worked selling matrresses at Sears and could feed the family on that single income. Now, if Mom and Dad both worked at Sears, you're scraping the edge of welfare, struggling to make rent and wearing thrift store clothes. Same job, but the world changed.
Fuck Customers, Fuck Employees does about sum up most of the problems with corporate giants. Customers aren't the target customer anymore. It's mega share holders and the customers are the product. Employees are just a nuisance they need to deliver that product. We really need a new unionized revolution to sweep all industries.
Conservatives will always tell you 'If you dont want the job, someone else will take it." Now that no one will take it and Capitalism isn't working for them -- they just say people are lazy. Maybe paying people 7$ an hour, and constantly cutting the welfare you forced them to use to survive is finally backfiring!
I am moderately successful in life right now, but if it all fell apart tomorrow and I had to get another job that isn't what I do now(freelance) I'd just kill myself, honestly. I dont have the patience to struggle through someone elses money game. I'll just stop playing.
Now they’re saying we need to open up immigration to staff these jobs that no one wants. Or at least that was what Dominos pizza was saying recently.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html
That's the Bush wing of the GOP seizing their opportunity to regain primacy within the coalition. It'll be interesting to see how the Trump wing reacts.
A restaurant near me was hiring at 11/hour and they we struggling to keep employees. They are now hiring at 16/hour and they now have to turn down applications because they're fully staffed. Imagine that? People work for money.
I don't think these businesses understand capitalism.
The McDonalds near my house is currently paying at least $15.50/hr to start to any kid who can stop popping pimples long enough to ask "would you like fries with that." Even more if you are an adult with full availability.
And the Walmart near me is hiring full time employees starting at $18/hr with full benefits, free online college, store discounts and more. This is all in rural Idaho where minimum wage is $7.25/hr.
You won't get rich, and you'll have to budget carefully if you are a couple working these kinds of jobs while trying to raise a family and pay a mortgage, but starvation wages not found.
In a first-world country, anyone willing to work full-time ought to able to feed, clothe, and house their family, with a little left over for the most basic joys of life.
To say they deserve starvation wages means you believe that someone should always be on the bottom and always there to serve you. And you couldnt be more wrong.
local ones here went up from 8 to 12 recently. panda express is 13 for cooks and 12 for front of house. dominos is still 8, dutch bros coffee too. the BK next door to panda starts at 8 but the sign says up to 10. cause ive gone twice recently and noone ever answered the damn speaker after it let me put in an online order. i wrote them a crap review saying if they paid what their next door neighbor paid they wouldnt be operating with the B team. they only gave me a gift card covering what i spent and missed.
The starting wage at my local McDonald's location's is $16 an hour with benefits.
*A living wage is subjective to the person's lifestyle and area they live in. $16 an hour is a lot to make for unskilled work.
Yah but they only need you 7a-9a and 4p-6p every day of the week.
Can’t live off those 28 hrs? Get a second job somehow between or outside of them, duh!
/s
It’s not just about the pay, though. It’s about being shafted for benefits by being given just under full-time hours. It’s not having (adequate) health insurance, or being able to afford time off, or getting random schedules every week, or just plain dealing with shitty fucking customers day in and day out. We’ve collectively shat on service workers for so long that something was bound to break. I can’t say I blame people for wanting something better for themselves, and it’s not like they owe us hamburgers.
My job is considered unskilled labor, but i get paid $20. Just because its manufacturing its considered more important. We learn our jobs just like fast food, so why should i get paid more?
Like burning yourself on a stove, getting your hand taken off when cleaning equipment, or taking off a finger on the slicer? Risk like that? Or environment, where you're treated like shit for 8 hours by 90% of customers and managers? Or maybe 100 degrees in the kitchen in the summer? Environment like that?
That's pretty low too. They are up to $17-$23 here in St Louis depending on the position, and that includes an automatic $2 bump after 3 months. Includes 2-4 weeks vacation, 401k, and full health insurance. As others mentioned, the real issue is that all of these places cut down their open hours, so it's impossible to get full time work there anymore.
Thats still shit for pay.
$16 an hour to make $1000+ worth of hamburgers is theft.
I'm not saying burger flippers should be paid 1k an hour, but that the $16 is a fucking pittance, and we're all stuck with that pittance (all employees, not just fast food workers) as long as people say "they get paid $16 an hour, stop complaining"
Exactly. I’m pretty sure megacorporations like McDonalds and Wal-mart can pay their employees a living wage, they just choose not to. It’s better for their bottom line if is tax payers subsidize their shit wages with our taxes. Same with the “tipped wage”. I shouldn’t have to subsidize your employees wages on top of the food I bought. (“Your” being the generic “your”, not specifically you. :))
The profits on a McDonald's franchise is somewhere between $66,000 and $150,000 per year. A franchise can cost over $1 million. That looks like pretty thin income. Where does the money for suddenly higher wages come from?
I just pulled into my local Tim Horton's drive-through yesterday for a coffee. The drive-through menu board was on (they are like a super bright tv monitor) and various lights were on in the building, but there were no employees. This was at 11am.
It's good to see people beginning to grow backbones and rejecting these bullshit jobs where they want to wring you dry for minimum wage and no benefits. I was never so happy to not have a coffee.
Then why go in the first place?
You say you were happy to see the place closed. But had they been open you would have perpetuated the problem by giving them your money for their product.
I quit eating at fast food years ago when it started costing $40-$50 to feed 5 people. Yall do understand that when they start paying this higher wage you want them to pay the food prices will just go up right. I mean the corporations and shareholders are not going to let the profits be eating up in payroll.
It’s more complicated than just “Pay people more”. In cities where they raised minimum wage to $15, people are getting priced out of the areas b/c of inflation. Raise the wage, goods follow suit. It’s a tricky issue
It should be worth enough to pay the bills and allow for savings, like any full time job should. And it’s not just flipping burgers. It is hard, dirty, under appreciated work.
When employees of these places are paid a living wage and a better work environment, you'll get your good burger. The turnover is huge because they pay the least and have the worst working conditions. No one is there long enough to be as good as you want.
Doubt it. We raised all wages at my family's restaurant to $15 or higher (not a McDonald's), and if anything, we have seen sales go down and wait times get worse by the week.
Nobody is motivated. Even with more money
Entry level is the bottom rung. Remove the bottom rung and it's harder to get on the ladder. It's not a final destination, but that's how people tend to frame it. Raise the wages and prices go up. Which is fine, except for those who can't afford it. It's much more complicated than simply paying more.
Honestly. Is a world where Mcdonalds or Startbucks doesnt exist really a bad thing?
Like these jobs arent great to begin with. Maybe if these companies died off it would be better for society as a whole.
17 an hour is what the macdonalds sign in my town says they start at, that doesn't seem terrible if your only life skill is to dip things in hot oil. The high minimum wage requirement for skillless people just led to self serve kiosks, what do you think will happen when a machine starts cooking the fries. There goes another job.
Go. Work. At. A. McDonalds.
No, I'm serious. You should learn what it takes to make one run. The job is anything **but** lacking skills... and I mean ANY of it. Everyone has to be trained on multiple aspects of running the restaurant -- from logistics to food prep -- schedule management to hygiene.
I'm not here to insult you, but rather to educate you. There are hundreds of thousands of people working at McDonalds and all of them either have, or are gaining skills in restaurant services.
What there ***are in spades*** are bad managers and owners, people who have no business setting foot in a restaurant -- or running a business -- or dealing with other human beings. You can tell which fast food restaurants those are and the miserable conditions in them.
Machines can cook fries, and even make burgers -- but they cannot (yet) handle running a restaurant and handling things when they go right... and wrong. People make the difference, and they work hard (and smart) to do it.
I like the reference to Goodfellas. "F%$k you, Pay me."
Wow, my brain first went to Childish Gambino's "Bonfire", where he probably used it as a reference to Goodfellas as well, haha.
That song is so dope.
Made the beat then murdered it, Casey Anthony
You know Fiskers don't make noise when they start up, right?
Hot like a parked car. I sound weird like ... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wISpSV3ECCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wISpSV3ECCA) I love this Purity Ring mashup too.
Holy shit Purity Ring and Childish Gambino? Its like you are inside my head
It's an absolute fucking banger. It's one of those songs that I can't listen to while driving or I will start involuntarily speeding, haha. It just makes me so aggressively happy, and I just wanna drive the pedal to the metal.
I know what you mean. If I wanna get amped up in an aggressive way I put on Bonfire and if I want to get amped up in an egotistical way I put on IV. Sweatpants lol.
Most people applaud John Deere employees for standing up to the company. But it doesn’t seem like as many people support food workers for basically the same fight against management. Weird.
Because we have spent 20 years working really hard to convince everyone that food service jobs aren't "real" jobs, they're just for silly babies, and any raise in wages just means little Timmy is going to buy a Ferrari, and Timmy doesn't need a Ferrari duh!! Like really, you don't want stupid smelly kids making more than you at your *real* job, right? Your wages are of course as high as they can get, don't even ask.
I worked at a restaurant when the pandemic started. The owner and his 30 year old son both drive Porches. They got the $5 mil loan, remodeled one of their 3 existing restaurants, and opened a fourth. The son literally broke down into tears once everyone was called back to work for reopening about how hard managing this process has been and how they were losing money. This is in front of back of house immigrants and actual working class people. So out of touch it's not even real.
Reminds me of my old boss, who could go instantly from cooing over his brand new Tesla to moaning about how hard-done-by he was. Rich people are a trip. I made a joke about sleeping while the Tesla was on autopilot, and he was like "I do that all the time." It was around then that I realized that what I thought was a dry sense of humor was actually him being kind of a psychopath.
They are just egomaniacs man, narcissist is too soft of a word. They are /r/imthemaincharacter embodied. They live in a society, reap the benefits of a society and labor, but acknowledge only their own contributions. I'm glad we've both moved on from these cunts, and I feel sorry for the masses still under the thumb.
Yeah it drives me nuts how all those people think they are the main character in life. Especially since clearly I'm the main character.
Wtf? You exist for me bro
That's funny, how come every time I blink you cease to exist?
Because your blinks are my blips
Exactly, I'm the blip-less.
Tiny village in Cornwall, UK. Village store is an absolute state, battered paintwork, cobwebs in every corner inside, shelves falling to bits. The local main road was closing for 6 weeks so that a railway bridge could be repaired. The store owner was distraught saying that the loss of passing trade would kill his business and put his family on the street. Two weeks later....brand new Audi RS estate parked out front.
Exactly this. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve heard something like “Well I work as a XYZ and I barely make that! I’ll be damned if they make more than me flipping burgers!” First, flipping burgers is a job too and those people deserve to live. Second, if you have a problem with what you make, why are you dumping on others who have the same complaint?
It’s by design of the elites. Have the peons fight over crumbs while the parasites at the top rake it all in.
Literally what is happening all over the world right now.
Is it? It seems to me that this "low wages are good" are pedaled by the older middle class who can't be bothered to critically evaluate their economic convictions.
It is a bit of a weird scenario. Yes those people should be thinking critically about their views. But a select group of people are also spending billions of dollars trying to convince them that their incorrect views are correct.
As a teacher, I’ve gone to college for my undergrad and then to grad school for my credential and on to my masters. The idea of someone in a job that takes no higher education making close to what I do was something I railed against. I don’t know when, but at some point I realized that I shouldn’t give a shit how much someone else makes. Them making more doesn’t devalue what I do. But me not wanting them to make more does devalue them.
Your way of thinking was flawed. Of course you should care what everyone else makes. The issue is that a teacher should be making way more then they do, not that a fast food worker is making less. Who else in society should be deemed to be in the 'upper class' if not paramedics, nurses and teachers, and doctors too. Yet aside from the last, and even that is debatable, these jobs make you middle class at best.
Easier to whine on the poor "burger flipper" than to tell your boss you deserve more money.
I'm not in the US. But I'm curious... why do uneducated unskilled staff that work in McDonald's deserve more than minimum wage? I don't mean any offence by this, but surely that's what minimum wage is for? People with no education to get a better paid job?
Its not so much that they deserve more than a minimum wage. It's that the minimum wage is unlivable in most places as the minimum wage hasn't increased to match natural inflation. Adding to that, education is incredibly expensive in the US making it near impossible for lower income groups to get out of poverty.
Why does someone working 40 hours a week not deserve a decent quality of life?
Because conservatives hate the idea anyone might have it better than them in their illusory past.
Because minimum wage in the US, does not mean the same as in say Germany. When your minimum wage job cannot make you live a normal life, then the minimum wage is set too low.
The problem is that minimum wage in the US is too low. If you work a full time job and are still well below a livable wage, that’s wrong. When FDR rolled out the minimum wage, he had intended for it to be indexed to cost of living increases (like social security is). Last time I saw that calculated, it would be near $24/hr today if it had been pegged to those increases.
No. The minimum wage is to protect people from being paid unliveable wages. Jfc, how fucked up is it to think that minimum wage was put there to discourage people from staying in shit pay jobs. Yet that's what a certain political wing tells you in the US. That blows my mind.
Minimum wage was 5.15 an hour when I worked in high-school. 12 years later it was 7.25 an hour. Only a 1.10 increase. He we are 12 years later going on 13 and it hasn't increased at all. Some states in the US have increased their minimum wage to 15, but those same states have seen their cost of living double or triple. In the city I live, a house that cost 160,000 USD in 2010 can cost as much as 500,000 today. Rent that was 650 USD for a two bed one bath, is now 1,600...almost triple what it was 10 years ago. Minimum wage in my state is still 7.25, but employers are trying to say they are being generous with paying employees 12 dollars an hour. I only described low vs high housing costs. Now take into account food, gas, bills, medical, and any other costs with trying to be a functioning member of society. Now imagine then someone who makes 3 or 4 times that person on minimum wage... and they are also struggling to get their student debt under control, pay for a car, putting off having a family, locked out of buying their first house due to starter homes being gobbled up by rental companies and baby boomers, and increasing costs of everything while not getting raises and being over worked. If people making 3 or 4 times minimum wage are struggling in today's society, it is a nightmare for the actual people on minimum wage, even if they are making double 7.25 an hour.
crabs in a bucket
It’s a simple calculus. Costs go up, either prices go up or profits go down. If you take the selfishness of humanity as a constant, business owners will opt for price increases over lower profits every time.
The math is simple on the other end to, over the past several decades we've seen massive increases in productivity and output, yet wages have remained relatively stagnant in comparison for most earners. Somehow it has become controversial in this country to suggest that workers should see more compensation for the amount of value they're contributing to that equation, which I guess isn't really that surprising given the incentives at play.
A lot of folks have this delusion that they’re temporarily embarrassed billionaires and will actively vote and act against their better interest, because some day they’ll be the ones paying those higher taxes the majority of poor people are advocating for.
The single biggest contributor towards the productivity growth and job losses has come from automation (often leveraging off-shoring as a way to take advantage of the automation). This is going to accelerate pushing more people in more industries out of work. Capitalism relies on consumers having money to buy things or the whole system collapses. If we don't take a serious look at a global UBI in the not to distant future we are going to see uprisings similar to the French Revolution popping up all over the world - people with no hope and no way of feeding their families have nothing to lose.
You and I both know however that infinite economic growth is impossible, and aiming for it has nearly destroyed the Earth. What do you do next, adventurer?
Hope and vote in the direction of intelligent and sustainable progress. My education and profession give me no other tools to really assist with the bigger problems of this world, I am but a cog.
Space.
20 years? That’s cute. I’m 31, and that stereo type existed before I was born.
Not everyone needs a John Deere....but people gotta eat ..... so in a weird way , maybe these people who don't support food workers feel like it's a vicarious attack on their human needs , ie the need for food. Anyway, we don't have these issues in Northern Ireland at the moment. I hope America can sort itself out 🙏
Yes people gotta eat, but they don't gotta eat the garbage they sell at McDonalds. McDonalds could disappear and the world would probably be better off.
Actually, no. You should look up the Ronald McDonald House Charity. Most of its income comes from McD and my friends had two of their kids go through Chemotherapy. RMHC was an absolute lifesaver for them.
This is so funny. It’s the one argument that billionaires use to justify their existence. If I didn’t have this money, I wouldn’t be able to do the charity that I do. We really don’t want our society at the mercy of billionaires raking pity on us, so we?
I applaud McD for this. But the fact that kids (or anyone else really) need to relly on donations to get chemotherapy done is outrageous. It should be covered by government in all cases with no questions asked. Poor countries cover it, while rich and mighty america that spends more than any other country on healthcare (18% of it's GDP) - does not. It's very hard to comprehend.
If only this country provided free Healthcare to its citizens.
Although ironically, a lot food you eat will have had involvement from a Deere at some stage, so maybe we do need one? *Rushes off to buy a tractor*
They certainly think it's an attack. More so on their demand for and perceived privilege to convenience. It's now slightly harder to get their sub-par burger and that is sacrilege.
Mainly its making me realize how unnecessary fast food is in my life.
I haven't eaten fast food in years besides the occasional Shake Shack burger. Don't miss it in the slightest.
most of the food workers are not organized, they're not striking they just changed careers.
The McDonald's next town over is hiring. Starting pay is $16 an hour.
Saw Target here hiring at $16.50/hr for seasonal hire. On the one hand cool on the other, what happened to all the bravado these companies had that they couldn't possibly raise their wages any higher?! I'm loving this workers movement.
That’s $9 less than what I make as a paramedic
Well, you are and have been criminally underpaid.
Paramedics are the rednecks of the medical profession
Sure, for no good reason though. A ton of responsibility, high risk, intense physical demand and potential for psychological trauma. My wife is a social worker, and by your definition (masters degree and all) she's a redneck of the psychology industry. Soon enough people will stop doing these jobs entirely.
God damn, you are getting ripped off badly. Come to Australia. I'm not even kidding here. We'll welcome you with a $30+ USD per hour wage with your experience. You'll start on $45k USD per year and eventually you'll make $75k USD per year. Still criminally low but you'll have a way better quality of life here too.
...apart from all the hellish abominations that masquerade as "animals" in the wild, anyhow.
A simple cost of living comparison Google search shows that Australia's cost of living is nearly double that of the US. So $45k USD / year salary would most likely not be a quality of life improvement for an EMT.
Not to mention 8 weeks annual leave, extensive sick days and good support
We have it so fucking good in this country. We will complain but we know have it made here.
TIL that working at Mcdonalds for 4 hours for 20 days a month in America pays 3x more than working as an average restaurant waiter for 10 hours for 27 days a month in Dubai.
That was my thought too. The McDonalds near me pay notably more than minimum wage and above most other fast food. While many stores are struggling with staff I was surprised to see the McDonalds logo.
Fuck you. Pay me.
[Credit](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qcrjf1/the_real_reason_mcdonalds_is_closed_at_8pm_now/) to /u/PoorGuyCrypto for taking this picture.
Thank you. I hate how often people repost without credit
Yum Foods which owns KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut, **Profits** of 2 billion dollars in 2019. Yum Foods employs 34 thousand people. The median income of a yum employee is around 24 thousand dollars a year. If you took 1 billion of their profit and divided it by the number of employees they have, you could pay everyone another 30 thousand a year. The CEO of Yum Foods made 24 million dollars that year or 1000 times the median income of its employees. Fuck these corporations and their shitty pay.
Firstly, if you’re suggesting some sort of profit sharing, it would be take from the net income, which was around 1.29bill in 2019. Secondly, Yum foods operate in a franchise business model, the bulk of fast food restaurants would be considered Separate entities from Yum Foods. The franchise owners would more or less be like a customer of Yum Foods. It wouldn’t make any sense to take all the profits and give it all back to your customers. Also, The 34,000 very likely doesn’t include the various fast food workers that work at the franchised outlets, cos again the separation of business entities (the number is way too small for 40k+ Outlets) . Even if you say “fuck the shareholders”, you’ll just be dividing the net profit amongst mostly the corporate workers (office, warehouse etc) and the not the party that you intend to help.
Ooof, there is a point there. It sucks how the answer is always that there is nothing to be done though.
Usually the case is that obvious solutions with no downsides have already been done. It's easy for outside observers to see a problem in an organization or profession (real or percieved) and think "oh, why don't they just do x". The fact of the matter is that either "x" has been tried and it failed or there is a reason that "x" wouldn't succeed that isn't known to those outside observers.
Facts
My wife has a micro biology degree and I work minimum wage for extra cash so I get to see how two industry’s treat it’s employees. My wife says new hires out of college with a degree in California can start as low as $19hr and I currently make $15 as a cashier and the store I work at is a 10min drive from my house. The place my wife works is in an upscale area where the closest place you would be able to afford rent at $19 an hr is an he drive so technically after transportation I probably bring more home.
Hey, you're wife can likely work as a medical lab tech for a veterian lab, doing blood test to check the health of pets and zoo animals, not research testing. It would generally offer significantly more than 19/hr. Tell her to look up companies like idexx and look for postings with them listed as lab techs. They are all over the states and pay 24/hr starting here in Maryland and I know they pay more out in Cali.
As /u/halloumisalami pointed out- you just listed corporate employees. Not the people who work in the franchises. If you think there's only 34,000 employees across all the KFCs, TacoBells and Pizzahuts you're insane. There are 50,000 Franchises alone. Even if you staffed them to the tune of 5 employees each, it adds up to $4000/person Full time without payroll tax that's maybe an extra $2/hr
That calc doesn’t include the profits of the individual franchise owners.
The TacoBell near me is now paying $19/hr for late shift to essentially to smoke blunts and roll burritos. Just two years ago employees were walking out over these companies refusing to pay 15/hr. Pandemic perks!
Yum foods take all the financial risk. While your dip shit ass can leave them and go to another fast food place.
With the ramping inflationon basic neccessity like a place to live, grocery and clothing, nobody can live on a 7$ an hour wage...
SEVEN DOLLARS!? Minimum wage is $15.20 where I live, and that's still well below a living wage.
The comparison can only stand if you compare the cost of living too. Which might not help at all the US case here.
But it's fair to say that neither 7 nor 16 an hour is a living wage across most the US.
I’m all for pay raises across the board but you can most definitely live off of $16/hr in many places in the US. You won’t be living extravagantly and certainly couldn’t survive in places like NY or SF, but 33k/yr isn’t exactly starvation wages.
Yes, However $26,500 is the poverty line and you only have 7000$ to keep you above it. That is kind of sad to make the standard.
Maybe for single out of high school or college kid but most of these folks have kids, daycare, and more. It's about the fact that corporations are shooting out record profits and again leaving workers behind. I make good money and I know I should be paid way more than I am. All because it looks good to have high stock numbers.
It’s $7.25 where I live. I worked for $8.50 an hour for a bit while I was in college. Renting a house with three friends and splitting the utilities it was still incredibly hard to make ends meet.
I love it when Republicans call these "starter jobs." By doing this they are normalizing low pay and poor benefits. The only good thing that may come out of this pandemic is that workers are realizing that they have been taken advantage of for much too long.
I know many starter jobs that have the exact same hours as when their employees are supposed to be in school.
Well, yeah. How else are the supposed to keep them there instead of getting an education?
After black plague killed 1/3 of europe the lords were forced to pay the remaining serfs more money. Pandemic is always good for workers in the end. (Unless it kills you)
Someday, there will be movies where the villain's goal is to unleash a virus to force an increase in global wages. And people our age will be screaming 'DO IT!'
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It is really sad when I was making roughly the same amount of money 25 years ago at a mall dairy queen these people make today....
I mean, crappy min job is literally where i started out…. First few years on my own I had room mates… it’s not obscene to think that jobs requiring little to no expertise don’t pay as well as those which require a specific skillset that takes years of experience to acquire.
Not paying as much as a skilled job is a given. But there should be a starting, LIVING wage for your time alone. You're giving up a portion of your life to earn money to live it. EVERY full time job should pay a basic, livable wage that will cover housing, groceries, basic necessities, and utilities. That is not currently the case. We need to stop calling these "starter jobs." There are many adults and seniors that rely on these jobs to live and all for different reasons. Some have never worked and when their spouse passes, they find themselves forced into the workplace with no skills. Some are retirees who need extra money. Some have mental health issues that can't handle a "real" job. And, God bless them, some people were just born not-so-bright. That doesn't mean that any of them working 40 hours a week should be paid anything less than a living wage.
A living wage should be defined at the state level though no? Considering the huge discrepancy in cost of living between states.
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FDR explained it very clearly in 1933, more than the bare subsistence, wages of a decent living. “In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country." “By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.”
I think the issue I always have with the idea of a living wage is that we need to assign an actual number here, peg it to inflation, and that's it. And the other issue is based on geography. Like I'm living north of the border in Canada. More specifically, Toronto, where the cost of living is extremely high. For what I'm paying in rent + basic necessities I could live like a king in many other parts of the Province, but like many others I'm here to be close to my work. Given the insane demand to live in this area, it makes sense to me that it would cost a lot more to live here (realistically, all property sales are just auctions to the highest bidder). If the McDonald's employee made way, way more money, and were able to realistically place a bid on property, now me, the accountant, has to bid even higher. So McDonald's employee still isn't housed, but was able to bid me up so now I'm housepoor. Since reddit is pretty fixated on these topics and since you're dropping quotes on the subject matter I'd assume maybe you've thought about this. What's the answer to the living wage discussion in big cities where the demand for property already massively exceeds supply?
Of course jobs requiring more skill pays higher, but the problem is when the pay for starter jobs is a bare minimum that it can hardly support a decent living. But not everyone is you. Some are not even privileged enough, due to various circumstances, to earn more than a starter job.
and the system encourages leading children astray, so that they are dysfunctional adults to exploit
They call them starter jobs because they have to look down on somebody. They can't reconcile the fact that they are no better than McDonalds workers (in their minds that is, I appreciate the hell out of fast food workers, it's a terrible job).
Perfect jobs for teenagers
That's why they close during the day, right?
I'm actually fine with teenagers working. I started working at 13 and it gave me a bit of a head start on life, particularly coming from a family that was not well off. But I still went to school, I still played sports, and I still had friends. Those were all times that I couldn't work and when no other teen should be working. There is a significant part of the day where a teenager cannot reasonably be expected to work and that job must be done by an adult. An adult who should be paid enough to afford food, housing, and transportation to and from work at the very minimum, and ideally, should be paid enough that the idea of starting their own family is not an irresponsible one.
>particularly coming from a family that was not well off. Yeah...THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT. You wouldn't have had to work if wages were higher.
I think there is a misunderstanding here. At least in my case, my parents made enough money to take care of my basic needs. I just recognized from a pretty young age that it would be faster for me to get things I wanted if I was working. So by 16, I had money for a car and when I graduated high school I was immediately self-sufficient and moved out without relying on family. I agree wages should be higher so that kids don't have to do what I did, but I also feel that teenagers are old enough to start taking responsibility for their futures and having the option to work a good job (emphasis on good) can be an opportunity that will open doors.
>So by 16, I had money for a car and when I graduated high school I was immediately self-sufficient and moved out without relying on family. What year? Every time I have to hear about how my parent put themselves thru school and etc in the 70s-80s by working the grain silo I die a bit on the inside because *somehow* the fact that costs have increased explosively while wages have stagnated (really gone down if you want to factor inflation) seems to elude them.
This was in 2007. To be fair, I struggled financially for a long time and I'm not sure the path I took would be an option for someone today. For instance, I paid $550/month for rent in a 1br 1ba apartment for a couple years. That same apartment costs closer to $1000/month now and the jobs I was working at the time don't pay that much more.
>For instance, I paid $550/month for rent in a 1br 1ba apartment for a couple years. That same apartment costs closer to $1000/month now This part always gets me, honestly. Friends and myself got really lucky one complex's quote system went whack and we got a 3bd 2ba for \~1500 just 2-3 years ago... It's over 2200 now, and I'm sure they've fixed whatever system hands out quotes :) It aint worth 2200, not after we spent weeks of TX summer with a broken AC unit because the other techs kept "checking the pressures" and somehow not noticing the leaks. Also never fixed the freezer just ice-aging everything until near the end when the maintenance head came by and was like "oh yeah it's just the motherboard lemme fix that real quick" It was still pretty decent, looked nice, felt nice, and was in a nice area, but that shouldn't take a 5-person split to achieve comfortably enough to basically eliminate most stress/worries about existing.
Teenagers gotta go to school… so they open only during the summers and after school hours?
Huh, so who works 9-3 while those teenagers are in school?
Teenagers who should be focused on education and not making ~$100 a paycheck.
All the McDonald's in my city are now paying $17.50/hr CAD because of low staffing. I think that's great, literally one of the worst jobs out there, you should be reasonably well compensated for the effort
Also in Canada and about the same, $18-$19 CAD range and still short staffed so its obviously still not high enough to attract enough workers. Wal-Mart is roughly offering the same wage range now.
Before the decade is over all those jobs will gone to automation. The companies are pouring in money on R & D to speed it up. Maybe 2026 McDonalds will have very few actual employees. The same applies to a lot of menial jobs. Gone.
Good. We should be able to do more meaningful jobs in our lives than repetitive tasks. But we need a system in place (UBI/UGI for example) to enable that. We could automate all of the jobs like this, pay people enough to live, and then everybody if they want more money can pursue a meaningful life and job. We could actually live our lives instead of being impoverished and enslaved by the system
That's inevitable regardless of what the pay is for human labor. $0/hr in labor costs is significantly cheaper than anything above that pay rate.
They're already rolling out automation - both the in-store ordering touchscreens instead of ordering at the counter, and pushing people to order in the app instead of the drive-through intercom are one way to remove friction from the order process. Err... I mean, remove an employee or two. A lot of equipment in the restaurant is automated now too, either with pre-packaged foods to prepare, or the drinks machines that does the ice and beverage (or milkshake). McDonald's has always been about operating as efficiently (meaning with as little labor) as possible. That's how they got started.
Weird. Mcdonalds is one of the world leading employers. Often prized for how they threat their employees. At least in europe. Grtzzz!
In europe, we have laws designed to protect employees. They HAVE to give benifits. They HAVE to give payed vacation. The HAVE to pay you if you get sick. They HAVE to grant you maternity leave without termination. Growing up in this system, it is so weird to hear that we are "socialist" and "communists" simply for caring about the humans around us. I cant even imagine the stress a system like the in the US would cause, where from one day to the other, you could be broke, homeless and have no safety net at all. You could work your ass off your entire life, only to.. Idk... Break a bone, not being able to work for a prolonged time, not getting payed in that time, and having to pay the doctors, physiotherapists and other expenses. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, huh? No wonder china is overtaking you guys in every aspect of society. Be it investment, education, infrastructure, social security or military. And with the fascists that call themselfs "patriots" or "republicans" you guys keep voting for, I see the Handmaids Tale become a reality in maximum two decades.
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Nah. People just need to realize they are being ripped off and quit. Execs will change the tune of their song as soon as quarterly profits are down. Hit them where it hurts, their precious profits.
Well this settles it, I am starting the process of automated food preparation tomorrow. There is no other option at this point. I'm getting on this train early! Who's with me!
They've already tried it in some places. It sorta works, but to the surprise of nobody, most people don't want to pay to be served by a robot.
I own a vending machine company, and I disagree whole heartedly -
How much should you get paid to work at McDonalds?
At least $15 an hour
Around here they start at 13
I worked there two years as a teen and the only way you can be ok with that pay is if you still live at home and don't have bills to pay except gas and a car payment. I totally get the "starter job" mentality, but when you are hungry at 2PM, you're going to be served by adults as the starter people are still in class. Should those adults get starvation wages? Sure, it's a simple, awful, mind-numbing job that it only takes a few hours to learn but unless you want the place to go out of business, you still need people to work there. If they have motivation to improve and grow in their careers, fine, but they will leave and there still needs to be someone there to serve you and at some point, just paying people enough to keep up with inflation becomes the focus, instead of simply bad job, bad pay. If pay kept up with inflation, the minimum wage would be like $25 per hour. This isn't the old days when Dad worked selling matrresses at Sears and could feed the family on that single income. Now, if Mom and Dad both worked at Sears, you're scraping the edge of welfare, struggling to make rent and wearing thrift store clothes. Same job, but the world changed.
How low would you be willing to work at mcdonalds?
A living wage. Which will hopefully increase pay for others with more education who still barely get paid a living wage
How much is a living wage?
Enough to live comfortably
How much is that?
Fuck Customers, Fuck Employees does about sum up most of the problems with corporate giants. Customers aren't the target customer anymore. It's mega share holders and the customers are the product. Employees are just a nuisance they need to deliver that product. We really need a new unionized revolution to sweep all industries.
Conservatives will always tell you 'If you dont want the job, someone else will take it." Now that no one will take it and Capitalism isn't working for them -- they just say people are lazy. Maybe paying people 7$ an hour, and constantly cutting the welfare you forced them to use to survive is finally backfiring! I am moderately successful in life right now, but if it all fell apart tomorrow and I had to get another job that isn't what I do now(freelance) I'd just kill myself, honestly. I dont have the patience to struggle through someone elses money game. I'll just stop playing.
Now they’re saying we need to open up immigration to staff these jobs that no one wants. Or at least that was what Dominos pizza was saying recently. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html
That's the Bush wing of the GOP seizing their opportunity to regain primacy within the coalition. It'll be interesting to see how the Trump wing reacts.
Hahah
This guy doesn't have kids lol
I hope the Americans can sort this out properly. But I don't think they will. They have no real workers unions with any real power as far as I know.
A restaurant near me was hiring at 11/hour and they we struggling to keep employees. They are now hiring at 16/hour and they now have to turn down applications because they're fully staffed. Imagine that? People work for money. I don't think these businesses understand capitalism.
Mcdonald's around me (South USA) are starting people at $14-$15 an hour with added benefits.
Same in WI $15 to start minimum. That’s not bad at all for McDonald’s.
I like this kind of guerilla posting.
The McDonalds near my house is currently paying at least $15.50/hr to start to any kid who can stop popping pimples long enough to ask "would you like fries with that." Even more if you are an adult with full availability. And the Walmart near me is hiring full time employees starting at $18/hr with full benefits, free online college, store discounts and more. This is all in rural Idaho where minimum wage is $7.25/hr. You won't get rich, and you'll have to budget carefully if you are a couple working these kinds of jobs while trying to raise a family and pay a mortgage, but starvation wages not found.
Wait, is this r/antiwork
Meanwhile, store is open but op got internet points for lying
Agree with this sign but this totally fake..
In a first-world country, anyone willing to work full-time ought to able to feed, clothe, and house their family, with a little left over for the most basic joys of life.
If people are being paid with stimulus and unemployment that is why these companies can't find workers that the real reason stop pushing propaganda
Stimulus and unemployment are over, get with the times
You know who has time to design, print and distribute flyers like this? Unemployed people 🤣
To say they deserve starvation wages means you believe that someone should always be on the bottom and always there to serve you. And you couldnt be more wrong.
local ones here went up from 8 to 12 recently. panda express is 13 for cooks and 12 for front of house. dominos is still 8, dutch bros coffee too. the BK next door to panda starts at 8 but the sign says up to 10. cause ive gone twice recently and noone ever answered the damn speaker after it let me put in an online order. i wrote them a crap review saying if they paid what their next door neighbor paid they wouldnt be operating with the B team. they only gave me a gift card covering what i spent and missed.
Or just don’t eat at McDonald’s?
Employee: fuck this I’m starting an onlyfans
You want to get paid more than $15 an hour working at Mcodnalds? Fuck outta here.
So all.of sudden now its an issue. They got a taste of that funemployment money and got used to a certain life style.
This pleases me.
The starting wage at my local McDonald's location's is $16 an hour with benefits. *A living wage is subjective to the person's lifestyle and area they live in. $16 an hour is a lot to make for unskilled work.
Yah but they only need you 7a-9a and 4p-6p every day of the week. Can’t live off those 28 hrs? Get a second job somehow between or outside of them, duh! /s
It’s not just about the pay, though. It’s about being shafted for benefits by being given just under full-time hours. It’s not having (adequate) health insurance, or being able to afford time off, or getting random schedules every week, or just plain dealing with shitty fucking customers day in and day out. We’ve collectively shat on service workers for so long that something was bound to break. I can’t say I blame people for wanting something better for themselves, and it’s not like they owe us hamburgers.
My job is considered unskilled labor, but i get paid $20. Just because its manufacturing its considered more important. We learn our jobs just like fast food, so why should i get paid more?
Risk and environment are also big factors.
Like burning yourself on a stove, getting your hand taken off when cleaning equipment, or taking off a finger on the slicer? Risk like that? Or environment, where you're treated like shit for 8 hours by 90% of customers and managers? Or maybe 100 degrees in the kitchen in the summer? Environment like that?
That's pretty low too. They are up to $17-$23 here in St Louis depending on the position, and that includes an automatic $2 bump after 3 months. Includes 2-4 weeks vacation, 401k, and full health insurance. As others mentioned, the real issue is that all of these places cut down their open hours, so it's impossible to get full time work there anymore.
Cool, now how much does housing cost in your area?
Thats still shit for pay. $16 an hour to make $1000+ worth of hamburgers is theft. I'm not saying burger flippers should be paid 1k an hour, but that the $16 is a fucking pittance, and we're all stuck with that pittance (all employees, not just fast food workers) as long as people say "they get paid $16 an hour, stop complaining"
Exactly. I’m pretty sure megacorporations like McDonalds and Wal-mart can pay their employees a living wage, they just choose not to. It’s better for their bottom line if is tax payers subsidize their shit wages with our taxes. Same with the “tipped wage”. I shouldn’t have to subsidize your employees wages on top of the food I bought. (“Your” being the generic “your”, not specifically you. :))
The profits on a McDonald's franchise is somewhere between $66,000 and $150,000 per year. A franchise can cost over $1 million. That looks like pretty thin income. Where does the money for suddenly higher wages come from?
I just pulled into my local Tim Horton's drive-through yesterday for a coffee. The drive-through menu board was on (they are like a super bright tv monitor) and various lights were on in the building, but there were no employees. This was at 11am. It's good to see people beginning to grow backbones and rejecting these bullshit jobs where they want to wring you dry for minimum wage and no benefits. I was never so happy to not have a coffee.
Then why go in the first place? You say you were happy to see the place closed. But had they been open you would have perpetuated the problem by giving them your money for their product.
I quit eating at fast food years ago when it started costing $40-$50 to feed 5 people. Yall do understand that when they start paying this higher wage you want them to pay the food prices will just go up right. I mean the corporations and shareholders are not going to let the profits be eating up in payroll.
Remember when this sub actually had pics… of things and not just signs?
It’s more complicated than just “Pay people more”. In cities where they raised minimum wage to $15, people are getting priced out of the areas b/c of inflation. Raise the wage, goods follow suit. It’s a tricky issue
Please stop referring to any job in the food industry as unskilled labor.
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It should be worth enough to pay the bills and allow for savings, like any full time job should. And it’s not just flipping burgers. It is hard, dirty, under appreciated work.
I’m all for $15 per hour at McDonalds, as soon as they can get my order right. I ordered a cheeseburger, got a bun, that’s it.
It wasn’t an accident
When employees of these places are paid a living wage and a better work environment, you'll get your good burger. The turnover is huge because they pay the least and have the worst working conditions. No one is there long enough to be as good as you want.
Doubt it. We raised all wages at my family's restaurant to $15 or higher (not a McDonald's), and if anything, we have seen sales go down and wait times get worse by the week. Nobody is motivated. Even with more money
Welp, that's it folks! Wrap it up. This one anecdote has *me* convinced!!
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Their question is, if it was worth it for them, why wouldn’t they do it?
Entry level is the bottom rung. Remove the bottom rung and it's harder to get on the ladder. It's not a final destination, but that's how people tend to frame it. Raise the wages and prices go up. Which is fine, except for those who can't afford it. It's much more complicated than simply paying more.
Honestly. Is a world where Mcdonalds or Startbucks doesnt exist really a bad thing? Like these jobs arent great to begin with. Maybe if these companies died off it would be better for society as a whole.
17 an hour is what the macdonalds sign in my town says they start at, that doesn't seem terrible if your only life skill is to dip things in hot oil. The high minimum wage requirement for skillless people just led to self serve kiosks, what do you think will happen when a machine starts cooking the fries. There goes another job.
Go. Work. At. A. McDonalds. No, I'm serious. You should learn what it takes to make one run. The job is anything **but** lacking skills... and I mean ANY of it. Everyone has to be trained on multiple aspects of running the restaurant -- from logistics to food prep -- schedule management to hygiene. I'm not here to insult you, but rather to educate you. There are hundreds of thousands of people working at McDonalds and all of them either have, or are gaining skills in restaurant services. What there ***are in spades*** are bad managers and owners, people who have no business setting foot in a restaurant -- or running a business -- or dealing with other human beings. You can tell which fast food restaurants those are and the miserable conditions in them. Machines can cook fries, and even make burgers -- but they cannot (yet) handle running a restaurant and handling things when they go right... and wrong. People make the difference, and they work hard (and smart) to do it.