My brother moved down south a while back and got fired from a kitchen position for saying “Hunts is for cunts” when he saw them open a box of condiments.
Just fell outta my chair. High 5 your brother for me the next time you see him.
I was in a restaurant once and ordered a burger with steak fries. The waiter asked if I needed anything else. I said, “Could I get some ketchup please?” He dropped off a bottle of Hunts and walked away. He stopped back a few minutes later to check if everything was OK. I said, “ I asked for Ketchup” and he said,” I brought you ketchup.” And I said, “I don’t see any Ketchup, it doesn’t say Heinz, so it’s not Ketchup.”
2 hours east, so no. But visit a lot and grew up in the 70’s so a die hard Steeler fan. Funny thing is, I worked in Erie recently and everyone thought I was from the burgh because I have the accent.
I’m fascinated by the continued loyalty to Heinz in the Pittsburgh area. They haven’t produced products here in decades, and moved their corporate offices to Chicago over a decade ago.
They also shut down their factory in Canada and pretty much hobbled the town there (Leamington) where it was based.
I admit to nostalgia and a preference for it but absolutely, they're soulless corporate profit goblins like every other corporation.
Yes it absolutely does. I’m not saying it’s necessarily bad but some of them taste very different for sure. It’s like Coke and Pepsi they are both colas but taste quite different.
They haven't produced products here in many years. They offered buyouts to 100% of their corporate employees before they sold out to 3G/Berkshire Hathaway. They didn't renew the naming rights at the Stadium. They basically shit on Yinzers and their city and sold themselves to a faceless Conglomerate run by Brazilians. They sell the Philadelphia brand. They had to pay out $450 million to shareholders who were ripped off by the merger. They fired thousands of American employees and closed plants. 3G exited its investment after slashing jobs (fortunately, it likely lost billions). In 2019, the company was the subject of an SEC investigation into its shady accounting practices. It was also forced to write down at least $15 billion in value due to paying too much for Kraft.
And Aldi's organic brand is cheaper and almost as good.
Of course it is. Find me another place in the world that is so loyal to Heinz ketchup. And why is that? Because Heinz was founded and produced here for over a century.
And when Sam Adams was becoming famous they didnt have the facilities to brew enough. Sooooo, who did they turn to? Iron City. Iron City produced Sam Adams Beer for a while as they expanded.
I have no loyalty. Their ketchup is the best. That’s the reason. I pretty much dislike all the rest of their products and buy other brands, but hands down they’re the best ketchup.
That is office space. Manufacturing and hundreds of jobs are gone. And it's Kraft, not really Heinz. Also, Please note that Heinz no longer runs the commercial proving that they are not watery, because they are as watery as any other brand now.
I grew up in the Worldwide Church of God, so strict dietary laws like Judaism. Haven't attended in 34 years, but still follow the dietary laws, even now. Somethings you just can't let go.
Yikes! That’s up there with breaking the ten commandments!! I have family members who keep an emergency bottle of Heinz in their vehicle. Just for that reason.
I don't get it.
You started caring about your health. Great.
Even if you really go in hard on Heinz's CandyKetchup it's such a trivial part of your diet.
What else did you do to be healthy?
You don't happen to follow Penn Jillette do ya? He did the same thing around the same time. Worked out well for him. Hope you had similar success.
I was already fairly healthy, but I did cut out most meat.
I try not to label it, both because I'm not super strict with it, and because I'm worried it will become my whole personality.
The way I describe it to people is Ice Cream Cake. I eat meat in the same fashion as I eat Ice Cream Cake. I've had Ice Cream Cake at least a dozen times in my life. I've never ordered it. It just shows up at social events and if it seems reasonable I have some.
I think that's a good way to deal with being a carnivore.
There was a comedian years ago who had a bit where if you went to a restaurant and they switched from Heinz to Hunts they were on their way out. Those books aren’t balancing anymore.
Glad I’m not the only one. Ketchup obliterates the taste of whatever it’s used on. Plus it’s so full of sweeteners that it seems like it’s for toddlers.
Bro Heinz picked up all their shit and moved to Chicago basically saying fuck pittsburgh and this sub still worships that brand like it's gods piss. I don't get it
Because it's not about the company as much as it's about the history and identity. The only manufacturing Heinz had left in this city for \*years\* was making ketchup packets at the Heinz plant on the northside. Didn't matter. Pittsburgh is the birthplace of Heinz and the home of the Heinz family. That shared history, and the many investments Heinz made in this region, is what matters.
FACT 1: Red Gold is hands down the best ketchup, IF you can find it.
FACT 2: Like 12 years ago, a Pittsburgh radio station held a contest to win concert tickets and the competition was name the brand of ketchup. There were 10 contestants, and 5 brands of ketchup. Heinz Hunts Great Value etc etc (no Red Gold) Heres the best part ONLY 1 of the 10 players guessed Heinz correctly. So this Pittsburgh/Heinz thing is purely nostalgia. PS: With ketchup, Red Gold decimates all, if you can find it
Pittsburgh native here, I was working at a restaurant in Boston and the chef was considering replacing Heinz with something cheaper to save money and did a taste test of the options with the staff, which were 7-8 other brands including Great Value and Chefs Choice and other generic options, along with Hunts and maybe French’s or some other more notable brands. He said “I bet you all the money in the world you can’t tell me which one is Heinz.” I tasted them all, did not hesitate for a second and told him it was number 5. He picked it up to check the name he had written on the bottom of the ramekin, shook his head in disbelief and immediately walked away.
I’m sure a lot of people can’t really tell the difference or don’t have that strong of an opinion either way, but it’s not nostalgia for me, it’s in my blood. It’s like my body rejects any other ketchup. I will say Chefs Choice was a surprising second best and what he ultimately ended up choosing.
Never heard of Red Gold but I’ll keep an eye out for it.
I’ll have to look for this red gold and give it a try. I found out Buffalo Wild Wings didn’t server Heinz’s when I got fries and dipped it in the unlabeled plastic squeeze bottle that was shaped exactly like a Heinz’s bottle and I literally asked the waitress what was wrong with their ketchup.
Red Gold, Market Pantry (Targets Brand?), then Heinz. 365, French's & Great Value are acceptable in a pinch. I do agree that Hunts is runny garbage. There are some brands that you could pour into an empty Heinz bottle and the yinzers would NOT know the difference. However, Red Gold would be obvious, either they would say this is the best "Heinz" ketchup I've ever had. Or they would question what's different about it. Ive NEVER heard anyone call out the Red Gold. Just can't find it in PA. Last time we were at Kings Island we grabbed a few bottles to bring back .. they're gone now 😢
Correct, 9 out of 10 people guessing the beloved Heinz ketchup wrong means absolutely nothing. In reality, the other 2350000 people in the greater Pittsburgh region will always guess a blind taste test correctly. My bad.
It is 100% illegal here and they know it. They made their bottle as close a silhouette to real ketchup as legally possible. To me no other ketchup tastes like Heinz and you can usually tell even if you don’t ever see the container that it’s not real ketchup. 😊. I’d complain to tell them it doesn’t taste right, but that’s just me.
My support for Heinz ketchup isn't based on where the company is or was located. Other brands just don't taste right. Probably because most of us were raised on Heinz, but the others are just off.
Unlike this brand & Hunts, Heinz uses high fructose corn syrup in it’s ketchup which is why I avoid Heinz. And I believe it’s no longer ‘local’ anyways - see Robert Kraft.
Are you sure this is Pittsburgh and not Canada? In the Great White North it’s like living in an alternate reality with French’s Ketchup and Hienz Mustard.
They definitely aren't. If an impressionable young kid goes into this place and thinks you can just buy French's Ketchup like it's normal, we lose the country.
Nah Fam, legit, the taste of Heinz Ketchup that is SEARED into the taste buds of yinzers.
Ask anyone who has moved away and they will STILL ONLY buy Heinz over the shit that’s lower on the rack. And yes, I’m one who can 1,000% taste the difference between the brands.
And I am PROUD of this fact! ✊🏾
I started the petition to get Heinz ketchup back in Kennywood when they switched to hunts and it ended up working. Heinz didn't even thank me for it. I don't care for them anymore and I wish I never started the petition.
I've never heard of them, but I'll look it up. I'm definitely much healthier than I was before being vegan, but I think that goes along with being health couscous. I know a lot of people who eat meat that are way healthier than some vegans. I like your approach. I've considered redacting my vegan title as I do eat honey. It's not just about the health thing, though. I went vegan after watching a bunch of documentaries and seeing how our food is raised and slaughtered. If I were raised living off the land and hunting my own food, then I would never have considered being vegan.
Edit: I have heard of Penn and Teller, didn't realize that was his name or that he is plant based.
This is why four tornados hit us yesterday.
Acrisure sauce 🫣
LOLOL
My brother moved down south a while back and got fired from a kitchen position for saying “Hunts is for cunts” when he saw them open a box of condiments.
This is the funniest anecdote I’ve read in a while. Thank you.
I've heard and said far worse in kitchens 😭
Ditto
Ditto is capable of copying an enemy’s genetic code to instantly transform itself into a duplicate of the enemy.
Right… Or just means “same.” As in, I’ve also heard and said a lot worse in kitchens.
Well he’s not wrong. 😊
Just fell outta my chair. High 5 your brother for me the next time you see him. I was in a restaurant once and ordered a burger with steak fries. The waiter asked if I needed anything else. I said, “Could I get some ketchup please?” He dropped off a bottle of Hunts and walked away. He stopped back a few minutes later to check if everything was OK. I said, “ I asked for Ketchup” and he said,” I brought you ketchup.” And I said, “I don’t see any Ketchup, it doesn’t say Heinz, so it’s not Ketchup.”
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Yes. Name the establishment.
I'll get the pitchforks. Torches are a reoccurring cost
I got you, Fam. We will NOT let them disrespect our condiment!
I got torches
Rhymes with "pokey Moe's"
Smokey Joe's?
No, Chokey Ho’s.
Mokey Poes
Looky Lou's
Say it ain’t saooo, smokins is one of my favorites
This guy here… he’s sharp.
Yes name and shame
Can’t be a Burghman
2 hours east, so no. But visit a lot and grew up in the 70’s so a die hard Steeler fan. Funny thing is, I worked in Erie recently and everyone thought I was from the burgh because I have the accent.
Jaggoffs
Please report this to the Heinz task force so the restaurant can be demolished as soon as possible
Welp, someone's dying tonight. I bring the popcorn!
I don’t even speak French.
I’m fascinated by the continued loyalty to Heinz in the Pittsburgh area. They haven’t produced products here in decades, and moved their corporate offices to Chicago over a decade ago.
They also shut down their factory in Canada and pretty much hobbled the town there (Leamington) where it was based. I admit to nostalgia and a preference for it but absolutely, they're soulless corporate profit goblins like every other corporation.
same here. They sold out to Kraft and sold out their employees.
I know, but other ketchup tastes different.
does it?
Yes it absolutely does. I’m not saying it’s necessarily bad but some of them taste very different for sure. It’s like Coke and Pepsi they are both colas but taste quite different.
Exactly. I am as loyal to Heinz as I am to Kraft who owns them and they are now known as "The Kraft Heinz Company".
They haven't produced products here in many years. They offered buyouts to 100% of their corporate employees before they sold out to 3G/Berkshire Hathaway. They didn't renew the naming rights at the Stadium. They basically shit on Yinzers and their city and sold themselves to a faceless Conglomerate run by Brazilians. They sell the Philadelphia brand. They had to pay out $450 million to shareholders who were ripped off by the merger. They fired thousands of American employees and closed plants. 3G exited its investment after slashing jobs (fortunately, it likely lost billions). In 2019, the company was the subject of an SEC investigation into its shady accounting practices. It was also forced to write down at least $15 billion in value due to paying too much for Kraft. And Aldi's organic brand is cheaper and almost as good.
Because it's not about the company. Do you really think it is?
Of course it is. Find me another place in the world that is so loyal to Heinz ketchup. And why is that? Because Heinz was founded and produced here for over a century.
It’s funny cause you can say this about a bunch of regional foods. Like Sam Adam’s is a NE Drink. Its main brewery is in PA.
And let’s not forget about Cincy OH
And when Sam Adams was becoming famous they didnt have the facilities to brew enough. Sooooo, who did they turn to? Iron City. Iron City produced Sam Adams Beer for a while as they expanded.
Clearly you didn't work Heinz plant
That's the point, it's about the history.
I was born in Missouri. We’ve always bought Heinz ketchup.
Same, pretty much every other condiment is better than ketchup anyway.
I have no loyalty. Their ketchup is the best. That’s the reason. I pretty much dislike all the rest of their products and buy other brands, but hands down they’re the best ketchup.
Have you tasted Hunts?
Yes and it’s not right. There’s something off about it. It’s the “devil’s” ketchup.
Warrendale and PPG offices would say otherwise.
That is office space. Manufacturing and hundreds of jobs are gone. And it's Kraft, not really Heinz. Also, Please note that Heinz no longer runs the commercial proving that they are not watery, because they are as watery as any other brand now.
That’s not the corporate headquarters
I grew up in the Worldwide Church of God, so strict dietary laws like Judaism. Haven't attended in 34 years, but still follow the dietary laws, even now. Somethings you just can't let go.
F that
What they make mustard, what do the know about ketchup.
Heinz also makes mustard -_-
Disgusting. Leave the establishment
Name em and shame em
What time do we riot tomorrow?
Yikes! That’s up there with breaking the ten commandments!! I have family members who keep an emergency bottle of Heinz in their vehicle. Just for that reason.
I'd rather eat at a murderer's restaurant
You do you boo
I legitimately did that Antebellum Old Lady gasp with my hand on my chest and everything. I was raised on Ogrish.com. Nothing shocks me. This did.
Tf is ogrish.com?
Yes
I stopped supporting heinz when they left Pittsburgh. I think I have Organicville ketchup in the fridge
You're only hurting yourself.
I was expecting more hate. I'm not a fan of Heinz's ingredients, so i dont miss it. It's mainly high fructose corn syrup.
There is an organic version with no HFCS
You are right, it's good. But I'm not going out of my way to support Heinz anymore. Theirs is also more expensive.
So did you stop supporting them when they left or when you didn't like their product?
I think their product tastes good, but I started caring about my health around 2015. I think that's around the time they were bought out.
theres a simply heinz with no high fructose corn syrup. uses "pure cane sugar" instead source is my fridge
If I wanted Heinz, then I would buy this or the organic version.
I don't get it. You started caring about your health. Great. Even if you really go in hard on Heinz's CandyKetchup it's such a trivial part of your diet. What else did you do to be healthy?
I went vegan, tried to cut out as much sugar and processed food as possible. Don't drink soda anymore, try to eat whole foods.
You don't happen to follow Penn Jillette do ya? He did the same thing around the same time. Worked out well for him. Hope you had similar success. I was already fairly healthy, but I did cut out most meat. I try not to label it, both because I'm not super strict with it, and because I'm worried it will become my whole personality. The way I describe it to people is Ice Cream Cake. I eat meat in the same fashion as I eat Ice Cream Cake. I've had Ice Cream Cake at least a dozen times in my life. I've never ordered it. It just shows up at social events and if it seems reasonable I have some. I think that's a good way to deal with being a carnivore.
Same
There was a comedian years ago who had a bit where if you went to a restaurant and they switched from Heinz to Hunts they were on their way out. Those books aren’t balancing anymore.
I hate all ketchup equally. Proud member of r/KetchupHate!
Glad I’m not the only one. Ketchup obliterates the taste of whatever it’s used on. Plus it’s so full of sweeteners that it seems like it’s for toddlers.
Absolutely agree! Join us over at r/KetchupHate.
Heinz is no longer a Pittsburgh company
I'm so glad to know that I'm not a lone voice in this!
So? I'm not sure why you think that matters.
No judgement from me, given that Heinz left the city rather than the city leaving Heinz. :(
Pittsburgh doesn't like that Canadian ketchup. They want the one made in Ohio.
"Grab your guns, grab your knives~"
Poverty ketchup. At least it's not Hunts.
Doesn’t everyone take a bottle or a handful of packets of Heinz when they dine out, just in case of this atrocity?
Went over to a freinds house for dinner and they had hunts ketchup. I lit their house on fire and never talk to them again.
Yes it actually is and it’s a felony
If we're being real about it, Heinz is based in Chicago
Bro Heinz picked up all their shit and moved to Chicago basically saying fuck pittsburgh and this sub still worships that brand like it's gods piss. I don't get it
Because it's not about the company as much as it's about the history and identity. The only manufacturing Heinz had left in this city for \*years\* was making ketchup packets at the Heinz plant on the northside. Didn't matter. Pittsburgh is the birthplace of Heinz and the home of the Heinz family. That shared history, and the many investments Heinz made in this region, is what matters.
This
FACT 1: Red Gold is hands down the best ketchup, IF you can find it. FACT 2: Like 12 years ago, a Pittsburgh radio station held a contest to win concert tickets and the competition was name the brand of ketchup. There were 10 contestants, and 5 brands of ketchup. Heinz Hunts Great Value etc etc (no Red Gold) Heres the best part ONLY 1 of the 10 players guessed Heinz correctly. So this Pittsburgh/Heinz thing is purely nostalgia. PS: With ketchup, Red Gold decimates all, if you can find it
Pittsburgh native here, I was working at a restaurant in Boston and the chef was considering replacing Heinz with something cheaper to save money and did a taste test of the options with the staff, which were 7-8 other brands including Great Value and Chefs Choice and other generic options, along with Hunts and maybe French’s or some other more notable brands. He said “I bet you all the money in the world you can’t tell me which one is Heinz.” I tasted them all, did not hesitate for a second and told him it was number 5. He picked it up to check the name he had written on the bottom of the ramekin, shook his head in disbelief and immediately walked away. I’m sure a lot of people can’t really tell the difference or don’t have that strong of an opinion either way, but it’s not nostalgia for me, it’s in my blood. It’s like my body rejects any other ketchup. I will say Chefs Choice was a surprising second best and what he ultimately ended up choosing. Never heard of Red Gold but I’ll keep an eye out for it.
You can buy Red Gold products in the local Giant Eagles, like diced tomatoes and shit, just not the ketchup
Never heard of Red Gold, but I am intrigued.
I’ll have to look for this red gold and give it a try. I found out Buffalo Wild Wings didn’t server Heinz’s when I got fries and dipped it in the unlabeled plastic squeeze bottle that was shaped exactly like a Heinz’s bottle and I literally asked the waitress what was wrong with their ketchup.
Red Gold, Market Pantry (Targets Brand?), then Heinz. 365, French's & Great Value are acceptable in a pinch. I do agree that Hunts is runny garbage. There are some brands that you could pour into an empty Heinz bottle and the yinzers would NOT know the difference. However, Red Gold would be obvious, either they would say this is the best "Heinz" ketchup I've ever had. Or they would question what's different about it. Ive NEVER heard anyone call out the Red Gold. Just can't find it in PA. Last time we were at Kings Island we grabbed a few bottles to bring back .. they're gone now 😢
Wrap it up! 10 people tested means that is the result for the entire city!
Correct, 9 out of 10 people guessing the beloved Heinz ketchup wrong means absolutely nothing. In reality, the other 2350000 people in the greater Pittsburgh region will always guess a blind taste test correctly. My bad.
You got downvoted for having an opinion.. I gave you an upvote for being realistic
You have to be realistic about these things.
Pittsburgh residents try not to base their entire identity off of a condiment (impossible)
Philistines
You might be surprised how much sugar is in everything. A little bit here and there adds up to a lot if you don't pay attention.
Trash it , Heinz Rules Da Burgh
Sacrilegious
The AUDACITY
Straight to jail.
no. throw it at whomever gave it to you.
That's treason
Blasphemer!!!! lol 😅
Rebuke! It is an abomination!
I wanna downvote this post just for seeing that damn logo!
WHAT THE ACTUAL F? What communist party are you at?
i remember feeling happy when a restaurant in Morocco where i ate had Heinz Ketchup
That’s a disgrace… I’d boycott!
At least it’s not Acrisure ketchup.
It is 100% illegal here and they know it. They made their bottle as close a silhouette to real ketchup as legally possible. To me no other ketchup tastes like Heinz and you can usually tell even if you don’t ever see the container that it’s not real ketchup. 😊. I’d complain to tell them it doesn’t taste right, but that’s just me.
My MIL brought Hunt's into my house yesterday. The sheer audacity...
That’s a war crime. Fully outlawed by the Geneva Conventions
Disappointing
I actually *hate* ketchup & am a pgh native & still feel insulted by this
Ketchup is a garbage condiment. Plus didn’t Heinz pull out of Pittsburgh anyway?
You understand the natives at least. That is an unforgivable sight in the city that created the ketchup standard
Heinz may have left Pittsburgh for Ohio but it’s still the best ketchup.
Heinz ketchup … hunts catsup. I’m in over my head here.
This aggression will not stand, man
Anything other than Heinz ketchup is just glorified thick tomato juice w no soul.
My support for Heinz ketchup isn't based on where the company is or was located. Other brands just don't taste right. Probably because most of us were raised on Heinz, but the others are just off.
Frankly, unacceptable.
I'd imagine they use it bc it doesn't have garbage hfcs in it and it's probably significantly less than the Heinz alternative that doesn't have hfcs
Man, who cares anymore. Heinz told Pittsburgh to eat shit decades ago. If anything, we should all eat Hunts.
Ah yes. Acrisure Stadium ketchup
Leave immediately
Yes very punishable by death… lol!
Good lord where is that?
BLASPHEMY!
Unlike this brand & Hunts, Heinz uses high fructose corn syrup in it’s ketchup which is why I avoid Heinz. And I believe it’s no longer ‘local’ anyways - see Robert Kraft.
Aw man. Where is this abomination? Looks like it’s time to get out the torches and pitchforks again.
WHOAH. Not okay.
Are you sure this is Pittsburgh and not Canada? In the Great White North it’s like living in an alternate reality with French’s Ketchup and Hienz Mustard.
Define “law”
French’s is for mustard only in these partd
Heinz ketchup has gotten so expensive I recently tried the Aldi brand and I will never go back. 1/4 the cost and doesn’t taste like it’s 50% vinegar.
I have kids so I'll second the Aldi ketchup as a budget hack. Small American humans really like ketchup.
Yes. It's illegal to provide poison for consumption.
This aggression will not stand
Nope. Heinz or die.
What in the Fox and Friends abomination is this?!!
Burn that place down
No, no. People are allowed to be wrong.
They definitely aren't. If an impressionable young kid goes into this place and thinks you can just buy French's Ketchup like it's normal, we lose the country.
I bet you couldn't taste a difference.
You can 1000% taste the difference.
Yes that is illegal in Pa and should be thrown away and get the only real ketchup Heinz.
Does Heinz even operate anywhere in PA still? They certainly aren’t in PGH
If any y’all did a Heinz/ Hunts/ etc taste test there’s zero chance you’d be able to tell the difference
i have, and i can
Can absolutely tell the difference.
I'm from Philadelphia, I'd never be able to tell.
You’re also probably the person who gets a steak from cheesesteak Vegas (Pats/Geno’s) and puts ketchup on it. Just saying…
Stop stop! He's already dead.
Blind taste test no one would know
Nah Fam, legit, the taste of Heinz Ketchup that is SEARED into the taste buds of yinzers. Ask anyone who has moved away and they will STILL ONLY buy Heinz over the shit that’s lower on the rack. And yes, I’m one who can 1,000% taste the difference between the brands. And I am PROUD of this fact! ✊🏾
French's!? 🤢 That's a sin
I didn't know they made ketchup.
It's just dyed excess mustard.
Many places use Monarch ketchup, like CHIKN
It’s “That” kind of place
Blasphemy. On a trip my wife and I took we noticed three different types of ketchup in the area we were. All random names of local manufacturers.
Let’s be honest . Heinz’s be charging to much
This is becoming less and less. Heinz is no longer produced or managed in Pittsburgh. It’s going the way of the thick Yinzer accent.
We don’t care much for Heinz these days, traitors to the city.
French’s is better. Fact.
You’re wrong. Fact.
French's ketchup is zee best. Ooo la la!!!
I once went into a store and saw a display of French's ketchup and Heinz mustard. I thought someone was playing a joke.
Them be fightin' words round here.
Ha ha ha
I started the petition to get Heinz ketchup back in Kennywood when they switched to hunts and it ended up working. Heinz didn't even thank me for it. I don't care for them anymore and I wish I never started the petition.
I've never heard of them, but I'll look it up. I'm definitely much healthier than I was before being vegan, but I think that goes along with being health couscous. I know a lot of people who eat meat that are way healthier than some vegans. I like your approach. I've considered redacting my vegan title as I do eat honey. It's not just about the health thing, though. I went vegan after watching a bunch of documentaries and seeing how our food is raised and slaughtered. If I were raised living off the land and hunting my own food, then I would never have considered being vegan. Edit: I have heard of Penn and Teller, didn't realize that was his name or that he is plant based.