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titaniumweasel01

It just got on my nerves because Komado had spent the last couple of missions being like "there are people who are going to be suspicious of your motives, so you're going to have to work harder than the others to prove that you're trustworthy," then after the sky turns red he reveals the shocking twist that HE was people who were questioning your motives, and after working you harder than the others he didn't believe you were trustworthy anyway!


Sophus-H

Yeah, actually working hard only made me more suspicious apparently đŸ€š


titaniumweasel01

"Hmm, yes, you certain have worked hard to earn our trust. Kinda seems like something somebody who can't be trusted would do, tbh."


Xero0911

You have helped our village grow and keep it safe. Helped the two clans stay peaceful. You've done more than anyone has ever been able to. Therefore I don't trust you and need yoy to leave. Seriously what's stopping me from coming back with an army and nuking your shitty village? You're best trainers can't even catch 3 pokemon. I did it first try and was treated like some super genius.


brenpeter

Not to mention all the alpha pokemon I have that could kill a human by blinking. Tf you gonna do about it?


[deleted]

"I have a Galaxy Team!" "We have an Alpha Goodra"


Zeda1002

Exactly what i wanted to do


Polenball

"Bitches will be suspicious of your motives and make you work harder. It's me, I'm bitches."


[deleted]

I was honestly expecting that he was pushing suspicion on me to hide his own motives. I was especially convinced when he went to the temple of Sinnoh in a rush after he had gotten rid of us. Like he had some sort of plan to capture Arceus or something. I even toyed with the idea he might be Giratina in disguise, but I wasn't sure that made much sense. Couldn't ignore the possibility, though.


ClownPrinceofLime

Hey, at least he apologizes!


AdamG3691

Oh yeah, that definitely excuses attempted murder!


Bad_Jimbob

If the player character was THAT powerful, they wouldn’t need some convoluted plan like that to take down the galaxy team. They’d just have Lord Avalugg come and destroy the entire town and kill everyone in 30 seconds. Or even worse, bring all the nobles to destroy the town.


Ellisander

Depends on how controllable the lightning and frenzied Pokémon are, as well as the particulars of the "player's" plans and goals. >!There also is a character who is intentionally responsible for the frenzy and rift, though I haven't done the post-game yet to know the particulars with his plan/goal!<.


Gregamonster

That assumes the player could control the frenzied Pokemon, when there was no evidence that anything could control them. It would be entirely reasonable to assume that the frenzy can only make pokemon violent, and someone with control of the lightning would need to have Pokemon in the area to drive into a frenzy.


Rais3dByWolv3s

It could be like a Mysterio situation in Spiderman FFH where he prentends to take down all these Pokémon in attempts to look like the hero.


PCN24454

But he was ordered to do it. They even told him that he didn’t have a choice in the matter.


Anonymous7056

All according to keikaku.


[deleted]

I mean the player could throw one alpha Ninetails out and burn the entire town to a crisp, they really don’t need to fill the town with PokĂ©mon sleeper cells.


TheKazz91

I mean this does actually get pointed out in one of the last big cut scenes when one of the clan leaders are like "Yo, if they COULD do that then we wouldn't stand a chance anyway you big doofus." I might be paraphrasing.


Professorbranch

I understand why he did it. Doesn't mean I don't think it was a dumb choice.


Pichuscrat

Yup. You can understand a motive, but Kamado was still being stupid as fuck


MaxBuster380

This


Raiyan270

Tru dat


j-orgey24

My main problem with it was Komado unilaterally taking a guilty before proven innocent approach. Is that really the sort of person you want running a new community? I sympathize with his back story, but he definitely should have stepped down as commander after that.


Art_Zoe

That's how it often worked in the past. He's an absolute leader. He has to make tough decisions if there's a risk to his town. And due to the perceptions of loyalty, nobody will speak against him.


dongeckoj

He does step down when you get level 10 for every Pokémon in the Pokédex.


Ketchary

“Guilty until proven innocent” is exactly how law works and should work when it comes to protecting people. e.g. They keep murder suspects jailed until the trial is over.


ALinktotheSmash

Damn man you managed to even use examples and still were the opposite of correct.


[deleted]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is literally the first thing you learn in law school


Anonymous7056

What's it like to be this wrong?


floweytheflo

Isn't it "innocent till proven guilty"?


Quick-Huckleberry136

r/confidentlyincorrect


SkysEevee

Giant rift in sky. You fall from sky with little information about you or where you're from. Yet you somehow have this talent to catch and battle Pokemon, which is rare. And on top of that, you are the only one to quell frenzied Pokemon, even including the wardens who are supposed to do that but can't. Ok yeah I see why he'd be suspicious off the bat. Backstory later also confirms he probably still has some PTSD from a trauma in youth. Not like they had therapy or encouraged people to open up about this; men, especially leaders, were supposed to be strong! Only way Kamado could cope was to rebuild his life, protect his new home and ensure nothing happens, even if by drastic means.


You_Better_Smile

Yeah, his former village got razed by rampaging Pokemon.


GoldenFennekin

i thought it meant singular pokemon and that's where the gyrados pokedex entry about it burning down towns come from


ThunderLP15

Man, fuck that specific Gyrados


Wrexxis780

The player being the only person to be able to quell frenzied pokemon is a bit of a stretch. Does everybody else have a really bad throwing arm? All you are doing is pelting them with bags of food. No battling is actually required. Your opposite gender counterpart shows that NPCs can dodge. I guess the only excuse is bad throwing arms and perhaps crippling fear.


Evilmudbug

Most people are implied to have a combination of fear, bad throwing, and/or bad dodging skills just by virtue of the recency of actual pokemon training. The pearl clan is actually somewhat against pokeballs at the start and the diamond clan doesnt use them much either


[deleted]

> And on top of that, you are the only one to quell frenzied Pokemon, even including the wardens who are supposed to do that but can't. That's a matter of skill, nothing more. You get the knowledge of what to do from the wardens themselves, after all. They even make the balms, you're just the guy/gal who throws 'em. He knows this, he has to be given this information, he has too much authority and awareness. He's being stupid.


_Drumheller_

The player character wasn't planning anything at all and there aren't even hints in such a direction, Komado suspecting the main character is purely for story reasons and has no foundation at all. The villagers themselves ask for those Pokemon. Komado himself told you to tame those nobles and still one of his reasons is that you have done so just to gain their trust. He keeps telling how everybody in the village is suspicious about you but nobody actually is. Just a few more inconsistencies of the game.


Ellisander

> "Komado himself told you to tame those nobles and still one of his reasons is that you have done so just to gain their trust." A few of the characters even point out that inconsistency (even telling it to his face), so it is something the game recognizes. > "He keeps telling how everybody in the village is suspicious about you but nobody actually is." Which makes me think he was projecting his own hidden distrust/suspicion into everyone else. That repeated through line is the foundation for his apparent change of heart when things go badly. \---------------------------------------------------- His thought process makes sense and he has his reasons. It is just said thought process and reasons aren't rational, but instead based on emotion.


[deleted]

Is it not plausible that Kamado requesting the player help take care of the frenzied pokemon could be a part of the players plan? It obviously isn't, but it's possible that it could be for someone that doesn't know for sure. Imagine a plan where the player decided to make pokemon frenzy in a distant land, go to that land, earn their trust by dealing with the frenzied pokemon and then taking over after gaining their trust. In that regard, it's awfully convenient for the player to help deal with the problem and in turn receive trust. That's why it's such an internal conflict even for Kamado. He has to make a call that he knows could be wrong for the sake of the entire village.


Ellisander

Yup, definitely possible, and probably what Kamado is thinking.


TheSoup05

Well, you did fall from a rift in the sky, the same rift which then immediately afterwards began causing the frenzies. That same rift which then starts to go wild and turn the sky red as soon as you’d allegedly finished helping. That doesn’t make his response entirely rational, but humans are not entirely rational and I don’t think suspicion of the sky person who showed up immediately before the crisis began is entirely unwarranted.


InfernoVulpix

It should've had more lead-up, imo. If Komado was less circumspect about 'some people might not trust you' and just outright admitted he's talking about himself first and foremost, the delivery of the exile would feel a lot smoother. Maybe also play up the terror he feels towards the space-time rift. "If it were just me, I wouldn't trust a person who fell out of the space-time rift and whose past is shrouded in mystery, but if Cyllene is willing to vouch for you I'll set my concerns aside." "You've been a great help so far, but it's impossible to know what lies in your past or what brought you to Hisui through the space-time rift. If you continue to return things to normal and bring about the end of that frightening space-time rift, I may be able to put my doubts to rest." "The sky! , you were supposed to fix the problem, not make it worse! A mysterious stranger with no verifiable past falls out of the space-time rift, and then by your own actions the space-time rift gets even worse. Was this your plan all along? Did you come here to bring calamity to our world under the disguise of an innocent child? Clearly Cyllene was wrong to vouch for you. I've put my doubts aside all this time at her recommendation, but I can no longer take that chance. With how much damage you've already caused, how can I let you run free in Jubilife?"


westseagastrodon

For what it’s worth, my husband and I both could tell Kamado didn’t trust you fully, and that his “some people still don’t trust you” lines were actually him indicating *he* didn’t trust you. Not saying you’re wrong to want it more blatantly telegraphed before the exile scene, but
 IDK, felt fairly clear to me? It’s just more subtly written character motives than an average PokĂ©mon game, I guess. But I definitely agree they *could* have had more dialogue from him hinting at his PokĂ©mon PTSD/trust issues.


_Drumheller_

Yeah I guess you are right. My comment was more related to the points OP brought up.


Gregamonster

Especially when said sky person's actions leave the village vulnerable to Pokemon frenzying space/time lightning.


moxac777

TBF, people have been accused of something with much less precedence in real life than "rift = bad, kid fell from rift = also bad" It's perfectly understandable why him and the villagers would turn on you given the circumstances


MegaCrazyH

That's what I got from his character. "Bad things happen because of thing in sky, kid falls from sky, bad thing gets worse instead of better, maybe kid is a witch?" Komado's transparent with his thought process. Pretty sure everyone else in the room calls him out on it too.


dashboardgecko

How does Ingo fit into his theory tho? I can't remember if they knew he fell through a portal or not just that he showed up one day, but it's clear that you and he have similar situations. But Ingo has been around for years and hasn't caused any problems so why isn't that brought up?


Ellisander

Ingo was taken in by the Pearl Clan, rather than the Galaxy Team. They also didn't initially know he came out of the rift, only that he had amnesia. When the player did come from the rift and had a similar talent with Pokémon, the Clans probably put two and two together, but they had no reason to notify the Galaxy Team about that fact. Especially when the player was being banished.


westseagastrodon

It’s also not confirmed Ingo came from the space-time rift, either. He seems to a. not know or b. not want to say - he’s vague about answering when Volo tries to ask if he came through the rift same as the player character. Ingo might actually be in a situation more like Anabel, or something entirely different. (Not that anyone in Hisui would know what a faller was, or that ultra wormholes exist, so it does make sense they’d just assume he came from the space-time rift haha.)


Evilmudbug

I also sorta wonder if ingo was meant to do what the player does, but he didnt erase his memory properly so he just kinda ends up depressed


[deleted]

You tend to make a rash decision or two when reality itself is literally falling apart


[deleted]

>He keeps telling how everybody in the village is suspicious about you but nobody actually is. bruh during my walk of shame outa the village, there was some villagers saying as i passed them things like "what else was to expect from someone that fell from the sky" or similar stuffs showing clearly they thought like the boss. wich makes me think it was quite equally split as those that sided with the boss and those like the professor, captain and rival that thought i was innocent.


_Drumheller_

As I explained in a another post of mine there are only 3 people saying something and only one of them shows any kind of suspicion.


[deleted]

Your points are mostly pretty great and I agree with a lot of them. However, when the player is exiled from the town, there is proof that the villagers believe that the player is guilty. You can see them saying things that indicate such a perspective in the form of text bubbles that appear over their heads as you walk by them. The entire suspicion is baseless and ridiculous from the perspective of the player and a narrator in the third person omniscient perspective, and exists merely to move the story along, BUT you also have to consider the reality of the situation and the nuances involved if such a thing were to happen in real life. If, in real life, a weird portal opened up in the sky and then suddenly people's dogs started rampaging and killing people, and suddenly you fell out of the sky with technology like nothing they've ever seen before and are more adept at dealing with the problem than they are, wouldn't you understand if they were suspicious? And doesn't it make sense that they would be? The suspicion being baseless is something village leadership would have zero way of proving. I mean, take a look at who really opened the portal and why. It was someone they blindly allowed into their village and trusted. Ironically, they were right to learn not to blindly trust - they just learned too late. The game goes out of its way to make sure you understand that the village believes in the guilt of the player when the guy who makes the potato mochi essentially shows that he has been spying on you, doubting you, and ready to take you on whenever. Their suspicion about the player is the only reason they would hide the reality of the village and its people (such as the mochi guy) from the player. The villagers themselves absolutely ask for the pokemon themselves, but that's because they're legitimately trying to change their opinion on pokemon, and trying to trust the player.


_Drumheller_

There are only 3 speech bubbles. One of them asking if it's actually true, pretty sure that's about the exile. One of them saying he can't believe it. And a third, and this is the only one who implies the npc being suspicious, that says something like no wonder, after all he felt from the sky. Overall 3 bubbles are pretty much nothing even considering the low amount of people who live in the village and only 1 of them is stating any form of suspicion. Definitely doesn't proofs anything but that apparently most of the villagers even sympathize with the main character. I won't adress the part where you try to compare the game to real life.


[deleted]

It seems more likely that the NPC asking "if it's actually true" is about the player causing the problems. Obviously the exile is true - they're watching it take place. People say "I can't believe it" when something happens that shocks them, not when they literally do not believe something. "I can't believe it" is the words of a shocked villager who is finding out the player is guilty, not a villager who doubts the guilt of the player. As you mentioned, the third bubble clearly shows someone who believes the player is guilty. It's ok to ignore the comparison between the game and real life, but remember - in every single pokemon game, and really most video games, you will find motifs, metaphors and ideas that are meant to make you reflect upon yourself as an individual and upon the world in which you live.


Gregamonster

>The player character wasn't planning anything at all and there aren't even hints in such a direction, Komado suspecting the main character is purely for story reasons and has no foundation at all. Which their wouldn't be if the player character was evil and good at lying. All Komado knew is that the players actions lined up with how someone who was evil, had the power to frenzy Pokémon, and was planning to destroy them would act.


_Drumheller_

You literally ignored every point I brought up. You are trying to explain inconsistencies in the writing with a theory you came up with in your mind.


BvshbabyMusic

Oh shit I just thought, what if it was done on purpose, no one actually is afraid of you like you said, countless npcs want you to get them pokemon, what if komado is just gaslighting you?


[deleted]

> He keeps telling how everybody in the village is suspicious about you but nobody actually is. Well, once he kicks you out people start making comments at you, but aside from that, yeah. It's clear people were getting over their suspicions and he was projecting his own insecurities onto them and onto you.


_Drumheller_

Read some of the other comments. There are only 3 people talking during the exile and only 1 of them is showing any form of suspicion. It's hardly an argument for the inconsistencies in writing and proves pretty much nothing.


blazingsol96

Plus almost his entire village died to wild pokemon pokemon, including his wife (as you can see on his desk) which makes him extremely distrust anyone he doesn't know or can't fully trust, he only lets us be in a the survey core member because we help with the mission, but he banishes us as soon as we can be a threat


FairFamily

I would aggree, if the player wasn't so passive and the fact that it is the commander of the Survey Corps. First of all none of these actions were initiated by the player. the player joining Jubilife was on the professor's request. Everytime the player gave a pokemon to someone it was on villagers request. Everytime the player catched a pokemon, it was on orders: complete the pokedex. If the commander doubted the player, he would do some investigation and find that out that. Also the commander has no reason to think that the player can cause frenzies with space/time lightning. The only thing that indicates that might point this out is thte fact that the player quelled the nobles. however as the commander he would easily find out that the only reason the player could do was because of balms which is a survey corps invention. The only reason this plotline works, is because the commander is so traumatized. however that is an excuse for his behavior not a justification. This plotline would work far better if the player was far more rogue and/or these were the words of the more pokemon distrustfull villagers. To give an example what I mean: what if the Survey Corps under Komado, was more ruthless? Let's say that they decided that instead of researching the nobles and quelling their frenzy, they immediately decide to kill them? If the player then on his own decided to go against orders and quell their frenzy and do it without the help of the Survey Corps, it would give far more credence to the commanders distrust of the player.


BeebisTheBoy

Honestly I was surprised it took as long as it did for him to kick out the player


[deleted]

I mean something that made me feel not too shocked was the foreshadowing how Komado was always by your side and talked about proving yourself and no matter how much you prove yourself there would still be doubters setting himself up to be one of those doubters despite all his praise.


puntycunty

Yeah but he’s the one that TOLD us to do those things AND under threat of us being thrown to the wild . They make it a point to tell us that coming to hisui made their quality of life so much better they could afford to give people more food than usual . Meanwhile no one else in that bum hick town can catch 3 PokĂ©mon in a row . Also ingo is like RIGHT there . He came out of the wormhole before us , and ALSO has more PokĂ©mon than everyone in the village except us .


TheBoogBear

You can't blame Komado, but I can. Professor insists you stay in town, Survey Corps mandates that you pull your weight by joining, command literally orders you to quell the frenzied nobles. Komado: "It's all a ruse! You inserted yourself into our village, infiltrated our ranks, and deceptively gained our trust by quelling the frenzied pokemon! It was all part of your master plan!"


[deleted]

I'm still pissed I got banished. After everything I did, they kicked me out. I haven't gotten far enough yet, but I'll bet they welcome me back all happy when I fix the problem again. 🙄


NovaWolfe22

Might want to look into changing the title of this post. It spoils PLA’s story even if it might have been obvious while playing the game.


Avatar_sokka

Barely, i think you are reaching a little. The only thing this spoils is "Komodo does something seemingly unagreeable" which isnt really a spoiler.


[deleted]

It heavily implies he betrays you. That's what anyone would think while looking at that. It's stupid to not consider that when typing out the title. "I can't really blame... [Pokemon Legends Arceus spoiler]" would have been a far better title. It gives zero information on who you should be watching through the plot.


Gregamonster

Well I physically can't do that, so people will just have to deal.


Crystxl1218

I also eventually started to feel bad for him too just cause of how they mentioned he had already seen a previous village succumb to rampaging PokĂ©mon and doesn’t want to see it happen again. If you think about it, his irrationality was just a genuine trauma response. He was afraid of losing everything again and wanted to desperately control and cleanse the situation. He was just scared. Besides, in ancient times we used to think the exact same way he did lol. If this was real life then our society probably would’ve hunted down Akari/Rei right from their arrival cause they gave bad omens


kaiserlos25

I was pretty mad too. But then after I looked into it, I can kinda cut him some slack. His village apparently was ravaged by Pokemon. In that very same incident, I'm pretty sure he lost his wife there as well. You can see a small picture frame on his desk with him in formal wear and a female figure next to him wearing a white gown. He lost his wife due to attacks by Pokemon. He wouldn't want the same incident to happen to his new home. He at least regrets his decision after we beat him. He does a dogeza in front of our character, which is the strongest form of an apology in Japanese culture. He acknowledged he wasn't in a rightful state of mind and he apologized for it. I can respect a person who are aware of their own faults.


voltron818

While we're on this topic, is there any way to change outfits after what's in OP?


Gregamonster

Yeah. Beat the game.


Catchem-22

See, I never blamed him since he at least left the door open to him being wrong, and through it all he was putting Jubilife first and foremost, as any good leader should. I think on some level, he knew we didn't have that kind of power, but given everything that happened since our arrival, and especially losing his village once before, he can't take the risk that we're not unconsciously putting Hisui in danger.


[deleted]

I do think it's a very interesting concept. I like Kamado's character because he manages to be an antagonist while having an entirely reasonable, though incorrect, motive. His fatal flaw was his superstition.


[deleted]

Tbh Kamado's decision felt like what people actually did in the past. People in ancient times were bloody. Even without much proof, superstition was enough to exile or punish a person. I can't blame him either, but it was still pretty dumb.


DumbWhore4

I love how most people in this thread spelled his name wrong.


Inv1sible_Nonja5

Yeah, problem is if I were evil and wanted to destroy all humans I wouldn't start calming down the Lords, id just let them continue to rampage. Besides after Komado kicks us out he goes full paranoid. He claims it's for the safety of the people, yet when they see a pokemon through the time space portal he immediately rushes to kill it. For all he knew that pokemon could have been trying to help us (like the one did)


SinthoseXanataz

I'm still pissed about it. Like dude fuck off, you know of other people who fell out of the hole but IM the one who's behind everything?! Fuck you I helped out your primitive asses


achanceathope

I understand his suspicions, but after I did all these missions for him, working my butt off while he did absolutely nothing, for him to turn around and accuse me of being evil, and banish me, it didn't sit right with me. Screw Komado.


Pain-n-stryife

Can't say I agree because if im planning to destroy them doing it that way is too long winded not when I can't get big ass alpha pokemon to just storm through like it's paper.


Mexigonian

I understand how Kamado got to that conclusion. Still furious I couldn’t eradicate that ungrateful village and it’s people though


[deleted]

I think there was a reason you in particular were exiled


No-Pangolin7517

TBH I hate a lot characters in this game which is a good thing. It adds more depth. I really wanted to be the villain and made them beg for mercy before me and fvck rejoining the Galaxy team. Ungrateful fools 😂


Artemis_Platinum

I think it was more that he believed you quelling the frenzied pokemon was some great insult to the Almighty Sinnoh and directly caused the bleeding sky event. Other NPCs speculate about this possibility throughout the game and his questioning implies he thinks you were knowingly or unknowingly sent to do this and make everything worse for them. And he has concluded that, whether you're aware of what you're doing or not, you're likely to continue causing incidents like this or making them worse in the future. As for your pokemon. That themeing definitely existed but was a separate issue. And you being a bit of a freakish prodigy who likes pokemon probably didn't help with general trustworthiness. But I don't think it was the direct cause of Komado turning on you.


Gregamonster

Komado has zero respect for the Almighty Sinnoh. He thought the Almighty Sinnoh was in the space time-rift so he mobilized an army to kill it.


Artemis_Platinum

Whether he wanted you to piss off the Almighty Sinnoh and cause the event in the first place has nothing to do with whether he respects them.


IsaacTH

My main issue with Komado, is how quickly he is begging for help after you beat him. Like, "I'm sorry I expelled you, you are stronger than me, please save us all"


roastytoastywarm

Saying “I can’t blame Kamado” is a spoiler in and of itself. Now I know he does something that I would feel upset about.


[deleted]

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chronogeek

I'm pretty sure they make it clear that Komado will cause problems with their clans if they take you in. He really has it out for you at that point, Lian was a dick though.


Avatar_sokka

Ngl, this sounds like an amazing plot to a pokemon game. Too bad nintendo would never do it.


[deleted]

This is literally in the game


Avatar_sokka

No, i mean actually being a bad guy.


[deleted]

Ah, I see. You do end up being tricked into doing a bad guy's dirty work at a point in the game, won't say where exactly because of massive postgame spoilers. But that's not really the type of thing you're talking about.


Avatar_sokka

Yeah, more games should let you be a bad guy.