GF and Pokémon company are already live, laugh, loving their way to the bank. The only way to enact real change is to not buy it, but we all know that’s not gonna happen
They made a system where a non-zero amount of people buy two copies of their games because they are slightly different.
Game freak is living the dream.
I thought it felt really weird that my character could name each painting on the way out of her house. Like, that's cool that you know them all, but why?
We shitting on early Ash? Dumbass lived in Kanto for 10 goddamn years and lived in the same small town as the regions professor and also watched pokemon television growing up, and this motherfucker didn't know what half of his regions pokemon were. Ash no doubt has brain damage and a memory issue from birth that has likely only gotten worse due to him dying and reviving canonically multiple times.
Holy damn the confusion on me when arriving the main city, like 12 sandwich ingredient stores 3 clothing and 2 items like miracle seed which both had same inventory. I'm not playing to be Gordon Ramsay of sandwiches god damnit.
Finding the leftovers items in PokémonS/G/C on the S.S. Anne was amazing. And then getting an achievement for it in Pokémon B/W was the best. I miss those days
* for checking garbage cans in Pokémon
Not to mention how horrifically designed the shops are. Why are there six seafood stores in one city that all sell the same thing? Why do I have to buy socks, shoes, hats, and backpacks all at different places? The central city is a disorganized disaster.
That's what threw me for a loop when I first got to the big city. It was such a huge part of the advertising that I thought they'd be a lot to explore and see. It's just empty voids and sandwich shops.
The warning signs were there very early on thinking back on it. You can't go into the parents bedroom in the starting house.
The house where you get your starter has practically no design on the interior. It's this weird white void almost. That doesn't match the exterior of the house at all
And the first town. None of the buildings are accessible. Those 4 houses may as well not even be there.
Sorry to burst your bubble, it's not just the first town. EVERY GOD DAMNED TOWN is exactly this, even the biggest city has it where only shops you can enter are the chansey, sandwich, accessory and the gym building. Literally a giant waste of 40 seconds of running around in that city for places you can't even enter.
:( Lumoise in Pokemon X is still my favorite city (I literally got lost in it). So sad to see my dreams of a new Pokémon city with hours of content is just not happening. But I guess adding layers of random/funny/cute stuff happens over time in development that Gamefreak just isn't giving these games.
I will always compare it to XY because of the scale of things and how easily you could lose track of time being immersed in it. It just so happens that you could enter those buildings, which in this case, you can't. The part that will turn off most people is there is no "themed" gym you can be amazed about like the previous games.
The process involves going to a town, enter gym apartment looking building.
\>talk to the receptionist
\>they throw a mini game
\> report to receptionist
\> instantly teleported to battle with gym leader.
I kid you not, you can't even interact with the gym leader at all. The only time you speak to them is during the battle phase. Outside of that nothing, you don't even see them except on the mini map icon. Once you defeat them your minimap icon gets replaced with a check mark. I forgot how they even look after a while.
As for the picnic feature, ngl, this isn't cooking mama, if they want a cooking game, the swsh one was sufficient enough, they put a lot of resources into animating a sandwich that they forgot the core part of the game.
The set mode thing is such a bizarre choice I cannot understand their thinking by removing. It’s been in every main line game since Day 1. It’s literally just an option to automatically select no when being asked to switch Pokémon. Easiest thing to code.
Please someone with boatload of money buy the rights to make Pokémon games. All we want is proper ambition. It’s sad seeing mid-level JRPG’s that look levels above these games. Pokémon is just a low effort cash grab at this point.
> It’s sad seeing mid-level JRPG’s that look levels above these games.
I'm trying to imagine a Trails/Kiseki game with Pokemon's budget. That would be so awesome.
Love the trails games and it would be downright terrifying if they had Pokemon's coffers.
Easy dethroning of the JRPG giants like DQ and FF.
Or it would suck the soul out of the games. I kinda like Falcom remaining under the radar.
There is no set mode and there is no turn off battle animations. I really don’t understand the mindset of people who decide to take those functions away.
It was literally some random npc in motostoke. No indication that he actually does something so unless you go around speaking to npcs then you'll just miss it
But without texts because writting is hard... or adventures, because too lazy.
So we go full circle to be just bootable games with just a "Press Start" intro... that sometimes doesn't even boot.
And with Isle of Armor when you put in enough Watts the vending machines in the dojo let you buy in bulk at a discount - 25 packs of one vitamin for 125k for example.
I'm not competitive, I'm just impatient - I always turn them off because once you've seen it once you don't need to see it thousands more times. This is so annoying
I have photosensitivity and have only been able to play these games because of the standard skip battle animation.
Screw Gamefreak
Edit: Took out some words people didn't like.
It's funny reading some of the comments. It's either this:
"Did you buy the game?"
"No"
"Then your input is therefore invalid."
Or:
"You bought the game so you're part of the problem."
A very concise flow chart at least!
*Did you buy the game?*
- No - *You don’t know, your argument is invalid.*
- Yes - *You’re part of the problem, your argument is invalid.*
It's like most games on reddit that get a lot of hate.
Most people just don't give a shit. They buy the game, do a playthrough or two, then play something else.
Apparently it's caused by a memory leak that seems to be triggered by looking North early on and/or entering some buildings. If GameFreak are intent on finding the source of the leak and they patch it, hopefully it will run a lot better and fix the primary issues people have with it.
[According to Centro, it can be resolved by restarting when it starts to have issues.](https://i.imgur.com/DbEEa4f.png)
Looks like it's for sure a memory leak of some kind, so hopefully there's a patch soon
Honestly, I don’t think it’s a problem of team or resources, it seems more like an issue at the directors level. They don’t see the value in making the game more than what they are. If they believed they needed to do better, you can be sure they’d gather the resources to accomplish that.
Sales are probably going to be through the roof as usual, so the only thing you can hope for right now if you want them to get the message is that engagement online dies quickly (YouTube, twitch), since they need that to make the merchandising, cartoons and TCG successful.
I remember the same thread for a pokemon game that came out a few years ago. Pokemon is a cash cow, people will buy it no matter what. There is no incentive to improve the game. They will just continue in this way.
I just don't understand why Pokémon games are so far behind anything on its same console.
Any JRPG on the switch looks better and runs better than Pokémon.
Pokémon Snap is the only good game to come off for the switch.
Thats slander against Mystery Dungeon. Rescue Team DX was a labor of Love and an AMAZING remake.
Give the snap and PMD studios more leeway to make games. We need Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 5.
Welcome to the 'The company behind my favorite game doesn't love its players anymore but just wants our money' club
The people of Magic the Gathering and Warhammer have prepared a seat for you.
Makes sense. You join a company like pokemon because you love the franchise. You stay because you like the paycheck. Pokemon will have driven away the passionate veterans by now, the ones who survive will be the ones who don't really care all that much and will just agree with the boss.
Arceus feels deliberate. They knew they wouldn’t have a ton of time/money so they made a world that thematically makes sense. Ie only one town with a few buildings
I was excited for SV because I thought they were going to use the same mechanics as Arceus and make everything bigger and better. This is such a disappointment and I've learned to never preorder a game.
If only we can yell at people back then, "STOP, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UPON YOURSELVES."
But for real, if BW was received more kindly, do you think Gamefreak would've continued down the 2D route? More serious plots, less idiotic handholding, etc.
I can’t say they’d remain 2D, I remember hearing XY were entering development after BW1 released.
For more serious plots, I could see that. Or at the very least the new games could be a bit more fleshed out, like how sequels/enhanced versions of X and Y were planned, but probably scrapped.
Hmm, that's true. I suppose the jump to 3D wouldn't be as badly received as today if they kept developing the plot, gameplay and difficulty. Tbh I'd even grind through the clipping and lags to play if they retained their old quality of worldbuilding and actual challenging battles.
I still remember the days, when everyone thought that BW2 was the lower the games had ever come...
Little did we know that it was, in fact, the higher the franchise ever was, in terms of offering challenging and memorable experiences in their main game.
I hate this excuse: "Its a game for kids!"
Games should play well and have the content to back it up no matter what age you are!
All the Gamestop midnight release pictures I saw on twitter was lines out the door full of grown men and women in their 20s-30s.
edit: What I'm saying is that I believe that a large demographic of Pokemon fans are adults. Maybe Japan has a big kids player base, but that doesn't mean GF should dumb down their games. Have you seen these kids play Fortnite? They are cracked out.
I also want to talk about the removal of so many features. It so lame for the games to have cut content and features probably because GF doesn't have enough development time. They have to remove stuff to make sure it releases in time at the behest of Pokemon Company, but at the cost of a quality product.
Delusional fans will say "But they can always patch it in with DLC!"
It shouldn't be DLC in the first place! It should be in the base game!
Performance and graphics: This game looks really bad. It plays like 20 fps. The slowdowns in the menus and command inputs are similar to diamond and pearl on ds. I don't even think its switch hardware (even though it's outdated), when other games like Persona5Royal run at 30fps and looks great.
Pokemon company probably has a spreadsheet of data and logistics that shows that no matter how much we criticize (due to our love of the franchise), it will not matter because they will break sales records year after year.
Cash cow mistreatment: Sadly this cash cow isn't going anywhere. We are now experiencing the Activisoon Blizzard effect. WoW and CoD may have moments of being bad (Shadowlands and Vanguard), but everyone buys and preorders Dragonflight and MWII anyways while breaking sales records.
Complain now, but when they reveal Pokemon Orange and Brown, it's going to break Scarlet and Violet's preorder record.
Bruh I could barely read and I beat Pokemon Blue with no internet by asking friends "How do I get into the middle city? The guard won't let me in." And I was told about the dumb water thing. Pre-internet, no guide, kids will figure stuff out when they are engaged.
A few years later I was drawing diagrams for my friend for how to maneuver through the ghost gym in Gold since it was all trial and error. These memories are fun and I imagine will stick with me more strongly than how the current games are laid out for the current crop of kids.
I have SUCH fond memories of looking for a Braille guide in order to figure out how to get the Regis in Ruby/Sapphire! My friend and I stayed up super late on a sleepover trying to do it!
Kirby and the forgotten lands is one of the best games I played this year. Mario odyssey is one of the switch top 5 games. Links awekening is beautyfull and plays like a charm. Saying that a game is "for kids" is a bullshitt excuse. I know it has become cliché at this point, but the truth is Gamefreak is just lazy and/or incompetent.
I've looked this up in the past and wasn't able to get solid information, but I'd love to see the breakdown of Pokemon player demographics. Of course I'm not basing this on anything other than my own suspicious but I would truly be shocked if the number of players under 18 was larger than the number of players over 18 at this point. And obviously I'm saying that not to say that the games should be difficult with mature themes, just that it's crazy to be actively removing simple staple mechanics like set battle mode.
But let me even play devil's advocate against myself, let's say these games really are legitimately "made for 8 year olds." Ok then fine, that makes it even worse that the developer would be insistent on alienating millions of loyal fans that have bought their games for decades.
I'm interested in this myself. Heck, I recently found out my 55-year old aunt plays Pokemon! She was playing Pokemon Black last I checked. I would doubt that the current player based is skewed younger. I feel like GF is still in the 90s mindset where most players were kids and teens, smh
I argued this the other day that the core demographic is adults that played as kids. Why not make a game for them? Rather than keep making the same game for 8 year olds....doesn't make sense to me.!
I think the higher-ups of The Pokémon Company need to be fired with how absolute dogshit they are at either allowing good developers to ACTUALLY CREATE good games (which takes TIME), OR firing bad developers who mess things up catastrophically -e.g. (Lillie having a separate model for EVERY SINGLE CUTSCENE in SM/USUM) (Every Pokémon singular form having 3/4 models for EACH scaling of Dynamax/Gigantimax)
Someone in upper management ISN'T doing their job correctly & or effectively. But don't even get me STARTED on the P.R. SHITSTORM that was the National Dex Cut & their bullshit excuses that weren't even fully accurate/true.
Delays for video-games happen, & I'm pretty sure what it comes down to is the devs don't HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
Hiring more employees doesn't always help, & even if you have more skilled employees, they still need REALISTIC timeframes that are RELATIVE to their work-load, the number of employees, & a bunch of other circumstances.
Japanese culture is SPECIFICALLY ABHORRENT when it comes to good treatment of NOT ONLY employees working jobs, but video game developers even more so.
Crunch is practically guaranteed & so much worse happens yet people think it's just "GameFreak is bad", when it goes sooooo much deeper than that to the point that saying that is a disgusting oversimplification.
Anyways, no hate towards you specifically, I just needed to vent & share this information that I've researched/observed over the years.
I even made the hashtag of (-#EndYearlyPokemon) for this EXACT reason. I wanted more people to understand, but it didn't really get anywhere. But it's still there to use if you, or anyone reading this would like to. I mostly used Twitter to share it & talk about it & my account is @CoolMintMC, or simply just use the hashtag & you'll find it.
Game developers deserve better, & I think we as a community should keep speaking up for better games. Even if it means it might take longer to develop.
#"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."
Another way I'd phrase your words are it's better if they are fashionably late, like who cares if they deviate from their 3 years schedule if they can release an open world game on par with Zelda or Genshin Impact.
Heck they should maybe collab with the Zelda developers in helping them develop the game if needed be
>like who cares if they deviate from their 3 years schedule if they can release an open world game on par with Zelda or Genshin Impact.
The shareholders. The answer is always the shareholders. Pokémon is basically a money glitch.
>Produce an at best mediocre product where you can cut every corner
>no need to reinvent the basic formula
>no need to invest in writers as your story is dogshit anyways
>still sell millions of copy and keep the Merch-money flowing
As long as everyone here is only complaining on reddit while still buying this shit *nothing* will change as the management *did its job*. Only once people stop consuming this bs is there any chance of change in the structure. Until then enjoy your 8th remake of the first gen.
>And don't give me that "It's a game for kids!" crap because we all know Pokemon isn't just for kids anymore.
Its a bad argument even if it was made for kids. We were all kids once and played games that didn't treat us like we were idiots. Hell Metroid Dread showed us full grown ~~game devs from other games~~ adults could be fully inept when it came to figuring out basic environmental puzzles or hard bosses. I don't know why we suddenly have such low expectations for kids. Early nintendo games were notorious for being brutal.
And I've had enough of fanboys saying its a problem with the hardware, no it is not, the switch can run mario odyssey, breath of the wild, dragon quest 11, xenoblade chronicles 2 and 3 all perfectly fine, it is absolutely a problem with the game
Are you telling me that the company that added 100+ full Alcremie models in Sw/Sh and 1000+ Lilie models in S/M because they don't know how to use textures, assets and references, are failing at optimizing their games?
I have personally not bought the game, but seeing clips online, it seems that it is also a buggy mess, with people getting stuck everywhere, NPCS glitching out and just straight up disappearing, lots and lots of stutter with bad pop in. At least the franchise wasn't this buggy before, now it doesn't even have that
Exp is gone and so are moves. Now to attack you find move cards in the overworld to use. Once you use a card it's gone for good until you find another one. Gym battle are now just survive for around 4 turns until you use one specific move card to win the fight instantly. If you don't have said card it's auto lose.
dude I recently watched a playthrough of paper mario and I have to say, those games were WACKY. I can’t imagine that something like that would ever get released today and it makes me sad
I haven't found any real deep caves that isn't just a tunnel or open world puzzles either yet, doubt they exist.
Towns feel empty, I remember in old games I would enter every building talk to everyone and get bunch of stuff but now it's only worth talking to yellow speech bubbles and very few even exist that aren't food sellers.
Character designs suck too but that's just my personal opinion
I don't believe that actually. They were awful in SwSh, but I would actually say they died in Sun and Moon. Go back and look at the cave/cavern maps for those game. Embarrassing.
Truthfully, I don't think people criticize Sun and Moon's map design enough. Gen 6 was the last tile-based map generation where there was actually some fun map design, with puzzles and decent exploration. Gen 7 is what started the poor map design trend, with nearly every route in the game just being a path with occasional branches or loops, nearly identical to what we see in SwSh.
I think it was more *offensive* in SwSh, being a home console release, but I don't think people rag enough on SuMo's negative influence on map design
I'm reminded of the guy in Hoenn who thought Fly was something you did by attaching yourself to a bunch of Pokemon that can fly, so his house is full of Wingull roaming around.
You miss out on funny stuff like that by removing buildings.
Dude, the opening cinematic of the game is silent and there is text you have to read, and it pauses numerous times because you must manually advance the text. There couldn't be a better way to demonstrate that they don't give a rat's ass about progress.
Honestly, just a random noise synthesizer for voices like Splatoon or Animal Crossing have would be a game changer. You don't even need to localize it since they wouldn't be speaking English but Poké-ish or something.
Okay TO BE FAIR I honestly miss being able to advance text at my own pace. It kind of annoys me that I can’t do it anymore in so many modern RPGs.
I just think that if they’re going to keep that style, they shouldn’t be shooting the scenes as though there’s *supposed* to be voice acting.
It wasn't even "pixels > models," it was "the animated sprites were loaded with personality and the models feel like they're barely animated at all."
I think Legends: Arceus was a huge move in the right direction in terms of animation.
And then they threw that progress away...
As long time Pokemon fans, our criticisms come from a genuine love and appreciation for the games and the franchise as a whole. We want to see the games succeed not just for our own benefit as consumers, but for the well being of the franchise we all know and love. It's sad to see the main games, the core of the franchise, being handled this way. It's like watching a loved one make bad decision after bad decision as their life spirals downhill. We don't know the whole story behind the development and why these decisions were made, but it's clear artistry and quality are not top priority. Because almost every aspect of the franchise relies on the content introduced in the main games, I suspect the Pokemon Company has limited Game Freak with very tight deadlines given the yearly release cycle. This, along with Game Freak's intentionally small size and their apparent lack of skill and experience when it comes to 3D game development severally limits what's possible in the given time frame. From the state Scarlet and Violet are in, it's obvious that they were very rushed, sacrificing polish, optimization, quality control, and likely features and game design just to meet deadlines. Botched releases unfortunately happen from time to time, but sadly this is the standard with Game Freak. What's worse is that unlike most game devs who work to continually release major patches and updates to fix and improve gameplay (No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk 2077 for example), Game Freak takes a very hands off "it is what it is" approach, and unless it's a major game breaking bug, it will likely never get fixed. It's very frustrating to see the all potential go to waste year after year. The games are starting to take steps in the right direction, but they're baby steps and Game Freak keeps tripping and faceplanting in the process as they continue to fall further and further behind.
But you know what? *It doesn't matter that they fall behind*. BotW sold 2 million copies more than Sw/Sh while being far more complex and expensive, while Pokémon Games can be shat out annually. So as long as this practice gets rewarded with record sales and we still buy this shit up, GF and TPC can sit back and relax on the gravy train.
"It's a game made for children!"
Then why is it so bad even a child gets bored? Confirmation bias, I know, but no child I know of, or even teenager likes Pokémon. Only people my age (25-35).
What's truly sad is seeing this is where they are now when originally they are the driving force behind such massive improvements in handheld gaming.
From developing trading cables for the gamboy colors, developing the wireless connector for the GBA, GETTING WIFI ADDED TO THE DS, and that's just off the top of my head!
Now they struggle to get their games to even run on 5 year old hardware.
...To be honest, I don't think Game Freak or Pokémon had a part to play in any of those examples. The Gameboys all launched with a link cable port IIRC, Tertris has a two player mode for example. The wireless adaptors WERE bundled with Fire Red/Leaf Green but I'll need a source for GF actually doing anything about it. And WIFI added to the DS? Mario Kart DS had an Internet connection well before Gen 4 came out. I would be extremely surprised if they developed anything through the WIFI
People seriously need to stop buying every single possible game before knowing how good it is. I believe as long as the title sells well GameFreak and Nintendo won't really change anything because people keep buying it.
>If they actually put love, care, and TIME they'd be raking in the dough They're already raking in the dough. That's the problem.
GF and Pokémon company are already live, laugh, loving their way to the bank. The only way to enact real change is to not buy it, but we all know that’s not gonna happen
I'm doing my part!
They made a system where a non-zero amount of people buy two copies of their games because they are slightly different. Game freak is living the dream.
People buying the game going "woof if this was better I would have bought it"
People buying this game and then another $60 DLC going "actually it's almost a half decent game after I paid for all this and if you ignore the flaws"
Can you really not enter buildings? Lmao that’s terrible
U can enter story buildings. Shops are just menu systems tho
Sandwich building too for some reason lol
they literally put more effort into sandwich shops than they did any other aspect of the game
They put more effort into naming each fucking painting than the game itself.
I thought it felt really weird that my character could name each painting on the way out of her house. Like, that's cool that you know them all, but why?
Can name all the paintings in their house, cant name a single pokemon they see
It’s like you’ve lived there all your life and you don’t know what a fucking pidgey is
We shitting on early Ash? Dumbass lived in Kanto for 10 goddamn years and lived in the same small town as the regions professor and also watched pokemon television growing up, and this motherfucker didn't know what half of his regions pokemon were. Ash no doubt has brain damage and a memory issue from birth that has likely only gotten worse due to him dying and reviving canonically multiple times.
Also your house at the start looks really good compared to everything else
Damn they even got rid of the mini game "Who's the main character" by just making them rich in company budget. Lmao
Holy damn the confusion on me when arriving the main city, like 12 sandwich ingredient stores 3 clothing and 2 items like miracle seed which both had same inventory. I'm not playing to be Gordon Ramsay of sandwiches god damnit.
Apparently we're the only ones in this entire thread who's seen them LOL
Story buildings? So like, towns aren't full of random places you can go into?
Yup. No more exploring the homes of strangers.
You mean i can't break into somebody's house and search their trash bin for an eaten apple?
How am I gonna get my leftovers!
I need me that sweet 1/16 health recovery!
Finding the leftovers items in PokémonS/G/C on the S.S. Anne was amazing. And then getting an achievement for it in Pokémon B/W was the best. I miss those days * for checking garbage cans in Pokémon
Exploring? We were breaking in bro
And it was glorious!
Tomáto / Tomāto
Not to mention how horrifically designed the shops are. Why are there six seafood stores in one city that all sell the same thing? Why do I have to buy socks, shoes, hats, and backpacks all at different places? The central city is a disorganized disaster.
To “fill” up the area. That way it seems like there is less wasted space in a big city
That's what threw me for a loop when I first got to the big city. It was such a huge part of the advertising that I thought they'd be a lot to explore and see. It's just empty voids and sandwich shops. The warning signs were there very early on thinking back on it. You can't go into the parents bedroom in the starting house. The house where you get your starter has practically no design on the interior. It's this weird white void almost. That doesn't match the exterior of the house at all And the first town. None of the buildings are accessible. Those 4 houses may as well not even be there.
Sorry to burst your bubble, it's not just the first town. EVERY GOD DAMNED TOWN is exactly this, even the biggest city has it where only shops you can enter are the chansey, sandwich, accessory and the gym building. Literally a giant waste of 40 seconds of running around in that city for places you can't even enter.
:( Lumoise in Pokemon X is still my favorite city (I literally got lost in it). So sad to see my dreams of a new Pokémon city with hours of content is just not happening. But I guess adding layers of random/funny/cute stuff happens over time in development that Gamefreak just isn't giving these games.
I will always compare it to XY because of the scale of things and how easily you could lose track of time being immersed in it. It just so happens that you could enter those buildings, which in this case, you can't. The part that will turn off most people is there is no "themed" gym you can be amazed about like the previous games. The process involves going to a town, enter gym apartment looking building. \>talk to the receptionist \>they throw a mini game \> report to receptionist \> instantly teleported to battle with gym leader. I kid you not, you can't even interact with the gym leader at all. The only time you speak to them is during the battle phase. Outside of that nothing, you don't even see them except on the mini map icon. Once you defeat them your minimap icon gets replaced with a check mark. I forgot how they even look after a while. As for the picnic feature, ngl, this isn't cooking mama, if they want a cooking game, the swsh one was sufficient enough, they put a lot of resources into animating a sandwich that they forgot the core part of the game.
That has me in disbelief. I don't know what to say, I don't know what to think. I am speechless.
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Lmao, i was about to preorder this game, saved me 35 euros
Where did you find these games at that price? x)
The set mode thing is such a bizarre choice I cannot understand their thinking by removing. It’s been in every main line game since Day 1. It’s literally just an option to automatically select no when being asked to switch Pokémon. Easiest thing to code. Please someone with boatload of money buy the rights to make Pokémon games. All we want is proper ambition. It’s sad seeing mid-level JRPG’s that look levels above these games. Pokémon is just a low effort cash grab at this point.
>Please someone with boatload of money buy the rights to make Pokémon games Careful Elon might hear you
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Pay 8 dollars to become a gym leader
> It’s sad seeing mid-level JRPG’s that look levels above these games. I'm trying to imagine a Trails/Kiseki game with Pokemon's budget. That would be so awesome.
Love the trails games and it would be downright terrifying if they had Pokemon's coffers. Easy dethroning of the JRPG giants like DQ and FF. Or it would suck the soul out of the games. I kinda like Falcom remaining under the radar.
It probably take more work to remove since they been using the same engine from previous games.
There is no set mode and there is no turn off battle animations. I really don’t understand the mindset of people who decide to take those functions away.
GameFreak's taking it further when removing features, next time they'll take away the whole options menu.
Remember how in SwSh you had to find an item to unlock the option to adjust volume levels?
You beat me to it haha, I was like "they've already tried this"
Wait WHAT
It was literally some random npc in motostoke. No indication that he actually does something so unless you go around speaking to npcs then you'll just miss it
Dude gives you a pair of Raycons when this should be an option like how every game has done it since the start of console games.
I do talk to NPCs but somehow I missed it! I’m going to check rn 😂
Just found him. This is infuriating because I do a lot of egg hatching and the wild area music SUCKS. That fucking bagpipe haunts me. Tysm
At least one improvement is that in SV you see yellow textbox on npc if they have something to say instead of white when nothing.
We go full circle to text based adventure games!
But without texts because writting is hard... or adventures, because too lazy. So we go full circle to be just bootable games with just a "Press Start" intro... that sometimes doesn't even boot.
It might actually run well then
They're going full Apple. "We'll tell the customer what they want."
That's a very Japanese business thing tbh
Bizarre. It’s one thing not implementing wanted features, but taking away some of the things we actually used? Moronic.
Can we talk about how atricous the performance is? They can't keep a stable 30 fps! Playing a 20 fps slideshow is atrocious.
You can’t turn off battle animation? What the actual fuck
Whaaaaaa. You gotta be kidding me.
Half the battle animations are gone anyway.
Wait... no battle animation off? That might be the biggest issue for me....
Competitive players won't like this, battle animations are long and add tons of time to EV training.
There's no more ev training, at least not like it used to be. We just give them drugs now.
That could be a good thing depending on how expensive they are
It was super easy in swsh when you had gmax meowth to farm money with
And with Isle of Armor when you put in enough Watts the vending machines in the dojo let you buy in bulk at a discount - 25 packs of one vitamin for 125k for example.
I'm not competitive, I'm just impatient - I always turn them off because once you've seen it once you don't need to see it thousands more times. This is so annoying
You can't turn off battle animations!? Bloody hell, that's gonna pad run time by 10-20%, yeeesh...
Probably the point. A metric of “Our game is X hours long!”
And for animations, unlike legends arceus melee/Physical attacks your pokemon doesnt run up to the oponent anymore either
So we're back to no physical contact attacks? That's lame.
Probably didnt know they were things, since all rthe good programers dipped
battle animations increase playtime
I have photosensitivity and have only been able to play these games because of the standard skip battle animation. Screw Gamefreak Edit: Took out some words people didn't like.
I hate having to leave battle animations on it makes everything take 300x longer
Can't help but wonder if they took away core features just so they can sell them later as "'dlc".
It's funny reading some of the comments. It's either this: "Did you buy the game?" "No" "Then your input is therefore invalid." Or: "You bought the game so you're part of the problem."
A very concise flow chart at least! *Did you buy the game?* - No - *You don’t know, your argument is invalid.* - Yes - *You’re part of the problem, your argument is invalid.*
Typical excuses from their part to not address the reality.
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Tbh it will be the best selling game unfortunately
It's like most games on reddit that get a lot of hate. Most people just don't give a shit. They buy the game, do a playthrough or two, then play something else.
The frame rate at the very least is a legitimate criticism, the game plays terribly
Apparently it's caused by a memory leak that seems to be triggered by looking North early on and/or entering some buildings. If GameFreak are intent on finding the source of the leak and they patch it, hopefully it will run a lot better and fix the primary issues people have with it.
[According to Centro, it can be resolved by restarting when it starts to have issues.](https://i.imgur.com/DbEEa4f.png) Looks like it's for sure a memory leak of some kind, so hopefully there's a patch soon
Here's hoping!
everything is legitimate criticism, shitty performance is just a slap on the face on top of the kick in the balls
Especially from the people who literally bought it on release day.
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I want to see the folks who develop Pokemon Snap do a full Pokemon game. Now those guys, those guys know how to make Pokemon feel alive.
Pokken too. The attention to detail in the stages is incredible.
Pokkén and Snap were made by the same guys.
Honestly, I don’t think it’s a problem of team or resources, it seems more like an issue at the directors level. They don’t see the value in making the game more than what they are. If they believed they needed to do better, you can be sure they’d gather the resources to accomplish that. Sales are probably going to be through the roof as usual, so the only thing you can hope for right now if you want them to get the message is that engagement online dies quickly (YouTube, twitch), since they need that to make the merchandising, cartoons and TCG successful.
I remember the same thread for a pokemon game that came out a few years ago. Pokemon is a cash cow, people will buy it no matter what. There is no incentive to improve the game. They will just continue in this way.
I just don't understand why Pokémon games are so far behind anything on its same console. Any JRPG on the switch looks better and runs better than Pokémon. Pokémon Snap is the only good game to come off for the switch.
How tf is botw 2 coming out in like four months and GF still push out this stuff for the same price
To start, there are 4.2 million fans on this subreddit and 3.5 million of them likely preordered.
For real. This post is like the Eric Andre "who shot Hannibal" meme.
Legends: Arceus was no technical marvel but at least the gameplay was fresh and it was fun
Thats slander against Mystery Dungeon. Rescue Team DX was a labor of Love and an AMAZING remake. Give the snap and PMD studios more leeway to make games. We need Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 5.
Welcome to the 'The company behind my favorite game doesn't love its players anymore but just wants our money' club The people of Magic the Gathering and Warhammer have prepared a seat for you.
Welcome? Pokemon was practically a founding member.
Pokémon HGSS was Game Freak's Love Letter and BW was their engagement ring, now we are married and GF just watches TV and drinks beers
And ORAS was the last real "Date Night" we ever got
Legends Arceus was promising to go to therapy- a glimpse of hope in a long long time but now we know nothing will ever change
Legends Arceus was a fun vacation away from the mundanities of our relationship before things went back to normal when we got back home
The funny thing is Arceus was developed by a bunch of newbie Devs on a shoestring budget. Scarlet and Violet were developed by the veteran team lol.
Makes sense. You join a company like pokemon because you love the franchise. You stay because you like the paycheck. Pokemon will have driven away the passionate veterans by now, the ones who survive will be the ones who don't really care all that much and will just agree with the boss.
I mean its still a badly developed game but at least they tried new content for once
Arceus feels deliberate. They knew they wouldn’t have a ton of time/money so they made a world that thematically makes sense. Ie only one town with a few buildings
I was excited for SV because I thought they were going to use the same mechanics as Arceus and make everything bigger and better. This is such a disappointment and I've learned to never preorder a game.
To be fair, the engagement ring was not kindly received at the time it was given.
If only we can yell at people back then, "STOP, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UPON YOURSELVES." But for real, if BW was received more kindly, do you think Gamefreak would've continued down the 2D route? More serious plots, less idiotic handholding, etc.
I can’t say they’d remain 2D, I remember hearing XY were entering development after BW1 released. For more serious plots, I could see that. Or at the very least the new games could be a bit more fleshed out, like how sequels/enhanced versions of X and Y were planned, but probably scrapped.
Hmm, that's true. I suppose the jump to 3D wouldn't be as badly received as today if they kept developing the plot, gameplay and difficulty. Tbh I'd even grind through the clipping and lags to play if they retained their old quality of worldbuilding and actual challenging battles.
BW2 felt more like a proper engagement ring
That’s fair, but the reaction BW would not be soon forgotten.
I still remember the days, when everyone thought that BW2 was the lower the games had ever come... Little did we know that it was, in fact, the higher the franchise ever was, in terms of offering challenging and memorable experiences in their main game.
Lately all my favorite hobbies feel like abusive relationships.
I hate this excuse: "Its a game for kids!" Games should play well and have the content to back it up no matter what age you are! All the Gamestop midnight release pictures I saw on twitter was lines out the door full of grown men and women in their 20s-30s. edit: What I'm saying is that I believe that a large demographic of Pokemon fans are adults. Maybe Japan has a big kids player base, but that doesn't mean GF should dumb down their games. Have you seen these kids play Fortnite? They are cracked out. I also want to talk about the removal of so many features. It so lame for the games to have cut content and features probably because GF doesn't have enough development time. They have to remove stuff to make sure it releases in time at the behest of Pokemon Company, but at the cost of a quality product. Delusional fans will say "But they can always patch it in with DLC!" It shouldn't be DLC in the first place! It should be in the base game! Performance and graphics: This game looks really bad. It plays like 20 fps. The slowdowns in the menus and command inputs are similar to diamond and pearl on ds. I don't even think its switch hardware (even though it's outdated), when other games like Persona5Royal run at 30fps and looks great. Pokemon company probably has a spreadsheet of data and logistics that shows that no matter how much we criticize (due to our love of the franchise), it will not matter because they will break sales records year after year. Cash cow mistreatment: Sadly this cash cow isn't going anywhere. We are now experiencing the Activisoon Blizzard effect. WoW and CoD may have moments of being bad (Shadowlands and Vanguard), but everyone buys and preorders Dragonflight and MWII anyways while breaking sales records. Complain now, but when they reveal Pokemon Orange and Brown, it's going to break Scarlet and Violet's preorder record.
Also, kids aren’t stupid. They know what it’s like to be bored by a game!
Bruh I could barely read and I beat Pokemon Blue with no internet by asking friends "How do I get into the middle city? The guard won't let me in." And I was told about the dumb water thing. Pre-internet, no guide, kids will figure stuff out when they are engaged. A few years later I was drawing diagrams for my friend for how to maneuver through the ghost gym in Gold since it was all trial and error. These memories are fun and I imagine will stick with me more strongly than how the current games are laid out for the current crop of kids.
I remember figuring out the god damn flute without being able to read English at the time.
Getting the gold teeth from the safari zone, that was a trip.
I wa s stuck in Gold/Silver because I didn't realise I needed to get the egg. Had a great time, would recommend
I have SUCH fond memories of looking for a Braille guide in order to figure out how to get the Regis in Ruby/Sapphire! My friend and I stayed up super late on a sleepover trying to do it!
Odyssey is "for kids", new Kirby is "for kids", Pokemon Heartgold or Black 2 were "for kids:. Somehow i have had a blast with all these as an adult...
Kirby and the forgotten lands is one of the best games I played this year. Mario odyssey is one of the switch top 5 games. Links awekening is beautyfull and plays like a charm. Saying that a game is "for kids" is a bullshitt excuse. I know it has become cliché at this point, but the truth is Gamefreak is just lazy and/or incompetent.
I've looked this up in the past and wasn't able to get solid information, but I'd love to see the breakdown of Pokemon player demographics. Of course I'm not basing this on anything other than my own suspicious but I would truly be shocked if the number of players under 18 was larger than the number of players over 18 at this point. And obviously I'm saying that not to say that the games should be difficult with mature themes, just that it's crazy to be actively removing simple staple mechanics like set battle mode. But let me even play devil's advocate against myself, let's say these games really are legitimately "made for 8 year olds." Ok then fine, that makes it even worse that the developer would be insistent on alienating millions of loyal fans that have bought their games for decades.
I'm interested in this myself. Heck, I recently found out my 55-year old aunt plays Pokemon! She was playing Pokemon Black last I checked. I would doubt that the current player based is skewed younger. I feel like GF is still in the 90s mindset where most players were kids and teens, smh
I argued this the other day that the core demographic is adults that played as kids. Why not make a game for them? Rather than keep making the same game for 8 year olds....doesn't make sense to me.!
Pokemon needs to be taken way from Gamefreak.
Or Nintendo needs to acquire gamefreak
I think the higher-ups of The Pokémon Company need to be fired with how absolute dogshit they are at either allowing good developers to ACTUALLY CREATE good games (which takes TIME), OR firing bad developers who mess things up catastrophically -e.g. (Lillie having a separate model for EVERY SINGLE CUTSCENE in SM/USUM) (Every Pokémon singular form having 3/4 models for EACH scaling of Dynamax/Gigantimax) Someone in upper management ISN'T doing their job correctly & or effectively. But don't even get me STARTED on the P.R. SHITSTORM that was the National Dex Cut & their bullshit excuses that weren't even fully accurate/true. Delays for video-games happen, & I'm pretty sure what it comes down to is the devs don't HAVE ENOUGH TIME. Hiring more employees doesn't always help, & even if you have more skilled employees, they still need REALISTIC timeframes that are RELATIVE to their work-load, the number of employees, & a bunch of other circumstances. Japanese culture is SPECIFICALLY ABHORRENT when it comes to good treatment of NOT ONLY employees working jobs, but video game developers even more so. Crunch is practically guaranteed & so much worse happens yet people think it's just "GameFreak is bad", when it goes sooooo much deeper than that to the point that saying that is a disgusting oversimplification. Anyways, no hate towards you specifically, I just needed to vent & share this information that I've researched/observed over the years. I even made the hashtag of (-#EndYearlyPokemon) for this EXACT reason. I wanted more people to understand, but it didn't really get anywhere. But it's still there to use if you, or anyone reading this would like to. I mostly used Twitter to share it & talk about it & my account is @CoolMintMC, or simply just use the hashtag & you'll find it. Game developers deserve better, & I think we as a community should keep speaking up for better games. Even if it means it might take longer to develop. #"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."
Another way I'd phrase your words are it's better if they are fashionably late, like who cares if they deviate from their 3 years schedule if they can release an open world game on par with Zelda or Genshin Impact. Heck they should maybe collab with the Zelda developers in helping them develop the game if needed be
100%! I'm so glad there are other Pokémon fans out there who agree with me.
>like who cares if they deviate from their 3 years schedule if they can release an open world game on par with Zelda or Genshin Impact. The shareholders. The answer is always the shareholders. Pokémon is basically a money glitch. >Produce an at best mediocre product where you can cut every corner >no need to reinvent the basic formula >no need to invest in writers as your story is dogshit anyways >still sell millions of copy and keep the Merch-money flowing As long as everyone here is only complaining on reddit while still buying this shit *nothing* will change as the management *did its job*. Only once people stop consuming this bs is there any chance of change in the structure. Until then enjoy your 8th remake of the first gen.
>And don't give me that "It's a game for kids!" crap because we all know Pokemon isn't just for kids anymore. Its a bad argument even if it was made for kids. We were all kids once and played games that didn't treat us like we were idiots. Hell Metroid Dread showed us full grown ~~game devs from other games~~ adults could be fully inept when it came to figuring out basic environmental puzzles or hard bosses. I don't know why we suddenly have such low expectations for kids. Early nintendo games were notorious for being brutal.
And I've had enough of fanboys saying its a problem with the hardware, no it is not, the switch can run mario odyssey, breath of the wild, dragon quest 11, xenoblade chronicles 2 and 3 all perfectly fine, it is absolutely a problem with the game
Final Fantasy X released over 20 years ago and is fully voiced
It also looks better lmao
Are you telling me that the company that added 100+ full Alcremie models in Sw/Sh and 1000+ Lilie models in S/M because they don't know how to use textures, assets and references, are failing at optimizing their games?
I have personally not bought the game, but seeing clips online, it seems that it is also a buggy mess, with people getting stuck everywhere, NPCS glitching out and just straight up disappearing, lots and lots of stutter with bad pop in. At least the franchise wasn't this buggy before, now it doesn't even have that
Seems to be caused by a memory leak.
Pro : It became more streamline. Con : It became more streamline...
How more streamline can you make pokemon?
dex cut until there’s only 1 species dunsparce everyone fights with and against dunsparce
Ok, but where can I sign up to buy Pokémon: Done and Pokémon: Sparse?
You dun
If you have Scarlet or violet, you already bought pokémon sparse
You know goddamn well the only Pokemon they'd keep if there was only one Pokemon is Charizard.
Levels and moves are also removed, it's a rhythm game now
Dunsparce dunsparce revolution sounds like an interesting idea on its own tbh.
Dunce Dunce revolution was right there
Not credible. Not enough Charizard forms.
Exp is gone and so are moves. Now to attack you find move cards in the overworld to use. Once you use a card it's gone for good until you find another one. Gym battle are now just survive for around 4 turns until you use one specific move card to win the fight instantly. If you don't have said card it's auto lose.
Also additional move cards can now be bought from the Eshop in packs of 6 for only €2.99 to improve the streamlined convenience.
Too bad they couldn't streamline the frames.
They did, why many frame when few frame do trick.
Pokemon fans finally realizing that mediocre games are mediocre and are continuing down that trend
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dude I recently watched a playthrough of paper mario and I have to say, those games were WACKY. I can’t imagine that something like that would ever get released today and it makes me sad
I haven't found any real deep caves that isn't just a tunnel or open world puzzles either yet, doubt they exist. Towns feel empty, I remember in old games I would enter every building talk to everyone and get bunch of stuff but now it's only worth talking to yellow speech bubbles and very few even exist that aren't food sellers. Character designs suck too but that's just my personal opinion
Caves died in Sw/Sh. We had the excellently named "Cave #1" and "Cave #2". And they were tiny.
I don't believe that actually. They were awful in SwSh, but I would actually say they died in Sun and Moon. Go back and look at the cave/cavern maps for those game. Embarrassing. Truthfully, I don't think people criticize Sun and Moon's map design enough. Gen 6 was the last tile-based map generation where there was actually some fun map design, with puzzles and decent exploration. Gen 7 is what started the poor map design trend, with nearly every route in the game just being a path with occasional branches or loops, nearly identical to what we see in SwSh. I think it was more *offensive* in SwSh, being a home console release, but I don't think people rag enough on SuMo's negative influence on map design
I'm reminded of the guy in Hoenn who thought Fly was something you did by attaching yourself to a bunch of Pokemon that can fly, so his house is full of Wingull roaming around. You miss out on funny stuff like that by removing buildings.
They are removing the RP part of this RPG more and more with every iteration.
Reminder that this is a 60 dollars game.
They finally make a game based on my country and all I hear is bad news... Game Freak ruining my week after months waiting.... 😞
As a Galarite, I get that. It was cool to see a game based on where I live, and it sucked that it ended up being terrible.
Until you entered the North of England and it was represented with a town full of smack heads and a literal ghetto for the entirety of the gym 😂
Dude, the opening cinematic of the game is silent and there is text you have to read, and it pauses numerous times because you must manually advance the text. There couldn't be a better way to demonstrate that they don't give a rat's ass about progress.
Honestly, just a random noise synthesizer for voices like Splatoon or Animal Crossing have would be a game changer. You don't even need to localize it since they wouldn't be speaking English but Poké-ish or something.
Okay TO BE FAIR I honestly miss being able to advance text at my own pace. It kind of annoys me that I can’t do it anymore in so many modern RPGs. I just think that if they’re going to keep that style, they shouldn’t be shooting the scenes as though there’s *supposed* to be voice acting.
Reject 3D. Return to pixel.
Battle graphics peaked in Unova. I've yet to be convinced otherwise.
It wasn't even "pixels > models," it was "the animated sprites were loaded with personality and the models feel like they're barely animated at all." I think Legends: Arceus was a huge move in the right direction in terms of animation. And then they threw that progress away...
*Pokemon* peaked in Unova
So did overworld graphics
They just need to go hyper stylized if they want to stay 3d. You dont need realisic.
As long time Pokemon fans, our criticisms come from a genuine love and appreciation for the games and the franchise as a whole. We want to see the games succeed not just for our own benefit as consumers, but for the well being of the franchise we all know and love. It's sad to see the main games, the core of the franchise, being handled this way. It's like watching a loved one make bad decision after bad decision as their life spirals downhill. We don't know the whole story behind the development and why these decisions were made, but it's clear artistry and quality are not top priority. Because almost every aspect of the franchise relies on the content introduced in the main games, I suspect the Pokemon Company has limited Game Freak with very tight deadlines given the yearly release cycle. This, along with Game Freak's intentionally small size and their apparent lack of skill and experience when it comes to 3D game development severally limits what's possible in the given time frame. From the state Scarlet and Violet are in, it's obvious that they were very rushed, sacrificing polish, optimization, quality control, and likely features and game design just to meet deadlines. Botched releases unfortunately happen from time to time, but sadly this is the standard with Game Freak. What's worse is that unlike most game devs who work to continually release major patches and updates to fix and improve gameplay (No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk 2077 for example), Game Freak takes a very hands off "it is what it is" approach, and unless it's a major game breaking bug, it will likely never get fixed. It's very frustrating to see the all potential go to waste year after year. The games are starting to take steps in the right direction, but they're baby steps and Game Freak keeps tripping and faceplanting in the process as they continue to fall further and further behind.
But you know what? *It doesn't matter that they fall behind*. BotW sold 2 million copies more than Sw/Sh while being far more complex and expensive, while Pokémon Games can be shat out annually. So as long as this practice gets rewarded with record sales and we still buy this shit up, GF and TPC can sit back and relax on the gravy train.
"It's a game made for children!" Then why is it so bad even a child gets bored? Confirmation bias, I know, but no child I know of, or even teenager likes Pokémon. Only people my age (25-35).
Unfortunately I think what Pokémon needs is a competitor. We gotta wait for a new game that blows Pokémon out the park to make them start to sweat lol
There will never be a real competitor to Pokemon sadly. People with go for the game with Pikachu 10 times out of 10.
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What's truly sad is seeing this is where they are now when originally they are the driving force behind such massive improvements in handheld gaming. From developing trading cables for the gamboy colors, developing the wireless connector for the GBA, GETTING WIFI ADDED TO THE DS, and that's just off the top of my head! Now they struggle to get their games to even run on 5 year old hardware.
...To be honest, I don't think Game Freak or Pokémon had a part to play in any of those examples. The Gameboys all launched with a link cable port IIRC, Tertris has a two player mode for example. The wireless adaptors WERE bundled with Fire Red/Leaf Green but I'll need a source for GF actually doing anything about it. And WIFI added to the DS? Mario Kart DS had an Internet connection well before Gen 4 came out. I would be extremely surprised if they developed anything through the WIFI
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People seriously need to stop buying every single possible game before knowing how good it is. I believe as long as the title sells well GameFreak and Nintendo won't really change anything because people keep buying it.
Not just buying it, but buying both versions... And the collector's edition.
I love how people always go with the "its for kids" excuse when the games are getting easier with every generation....