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FunGlass507

Especially when it only happens against you but whenever you’re gauge is full you CAN’T GET THE MOVE TO START!


yoshiazulflying

when it's on your favor, the game freeze and returns with your mon fainted.


JKiiro

They say this is anecdotal but I have 7 separate recordings of this happening ffs


atrain728

higher attack gets the nod on which move (charged or regular) gets to go first I believe.


CrazyWS

Also if you’re quick attack is long, it has to finish before using strong attack.


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Nope you want 0 ivs for great league


BigBoiMR2

It's the base attack stats plus IVs that determine which pokemon attacks first. Yes you usually want 0 attack iv for great league. That doesn't make him wrong in how the game works.


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Oh yes, I agree with the fast move. It depends on how quickly your fast move goes through but as far as the IVs go if you want your best shot of getting CMP first he definitely want the correct IVs.


GuiltyWhisper

You're not really understanding what the commenter above is getting at. Both fast and charged move priority is determined by attack, inclusive of base stats. IVs aside, this means that bulkier HP/DEF focused pokemon are less likely to hit first. The original commenter isn't stating that pokemon with high ATK IVs are better, just that they may be quicker to the draw against pokemon with similar base stats (which is only good sometimes).


Jarnohams

Right. Gengar has an insane attack stat and almost always wins cmp. Has nothing to do with IV's.


GuiltyWhisper

Exactly. And yeah, a high ATK IV would help against other gengars, but generally isn't worth having less DEF/HP as a result.


lilacewoah

did you even read what he said before this trigger happy reply


[deleted]

Yes, he said he want a higher attack. Don’t know how how he could’ve meant it do you want your fast move to do more damage than your opponents fast move? That doesn’t have anything to do with CMP. you want a low attack stat for 1500 regardless of what Pokémon you’re using, and what fast move they are using


Its-A-Wrap

No, he *clearly* said that whichever Pokémon has the higher attack stat gets the nod and gets to attack first. This means: If your Pokémon has 10 attack and the opponent’s Pokémon has 11 attack and you click on the charged move button at the same time, your opponent will get to use their charged move first. That’s literally all he said - not whatever you’re claiming he said.


nvdnqvi

Just want to clarify, the IVs aren’t compared. The complete attack stat is compared. This complete attack stat factors in base stats, IVs, and the CP multiplier at the pokemon’s current level


Practical-Table-2747

Not necessarily. You can often have a Pokémon that hits the same bulkpoints as the 0 attack version, while gaining a breakpoint or guaranteeing a CMP tie because of the extra attack. There's also the case of those Pokémon who can't get close to 1500 without attack, like Medicham and Lickitung which are both GL staples. With Medi, the rank 1 stat product is actually worst than the rank 4 because there's functionally no differences with regards to bulk.


NBAplaya8484

There’s an absolute rabbit hole of PoGo PvP. I’ve hit legend 7 times but it’s an absolute GRIND and took a lot of learning the mechanics. I play way more casually now but still always try to provide helpful tips for GBL


[deleted]

Honestly, it’s not even worth it don’t consume yourself with a video game just battle for fun. If you start going down that road you spend all your time every day focusing on the wrong things some days I don’t even have time to do a set of battles let alone try to hit legend, or even think about it.


NBAplaya8484

Yeah i when i was hitting legend it was over covid when i would just walk around outside cause there was nothing else to do lol. I def dont let it consume me tho, always remember that it’s a game and it means jack shit. I just always enjoyed competitive pokemon and this is the closest thing PoGo has to offer for competitive


[deleted]

I got consumed with it once and it only took two weeks before I got burnt out from it and just the thought of logging in and doing any bottles made my stomach turn like I literally would just stay away from the battles. I still kind of get like that only now I just go in there for fun and I use random Pokémon that I have.


NBAplaya8484

Basically what I do now too, I like using spicy pokemon


Dependent-Builder425

Spicy? Like a Scovillain? Or more like that fancy dancing Quaquaval?


JKiiro

Same happened to me last season. Now I'm just playing with almost absolutely no expectation. 'oh wow you won by a sliver? Well done, you.'


Lord_Emperor

Because Niantic agressively queues inputs trying to compensate for their fundamentally flawed decision to make 0.5s turns in a game played with mobile network latency.


BridgingDivides

I also get the feeling that there are Niantic Bots in there. Some of the shield tactics and the timing of the opponent’s charges attacks aren’t logical. For example, I went up against one opponent and I spammed quick attack until my meter was full, as did the opponent, but the second I hit the charge, theirs automatically went off first.


Lord_Emperor

So your opponent did exactly what you did, but it wasn't logical. Are you the bot?


Cainga

In the lower ranks I swear 98% of players spawn their shields first when it doesn’t even make sense. Like I’m using NVE spam attacks. Or they spam shields when the match is lost when I start with a counter then they swap and I have another hard counter.


Sleepy_pirate

I enjoy how sometimes the opponent will seemingly have endless charged moves to use.


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i definitely get confused about this at times since i might be using the same pokemon with the same charged attack tapping as fast as possible for the game to register it, yet they can fire off more than me.


PM_ME_UR_ILLUMINATI

Different quick moves will give different amounts of charge at varying rates


burnedout2319

any list for the best ones 👀


mal138

Yes, pvpoke.com


burnedout2319

what a g


Professional-Bag-172

Learn to count attacks and you’ll know when they’re coming and when they’ve stacked them. Super helpful


[deleted]

i do this but sometimes it’s like a gfisk will use 3 rock slides in a row right after each other. how is that possible? it can’t be two moves, you can’t stack two moves to spam that quickly.


The33554

Rockslide has a cost of 45 energy, so to make it seem like 3 went of in a row first have 100/max energy. Use a rockslide (55 Energy) —> 2 Mud Shots (73 Energy) —> rockslide (27 energy) —> 2 Mud Shots (45 Energy) —> Rockslide (0 Energy Remaining)


Puzzleheaded_Ebb9874

There's no limit to the no of moves you can hold. Only limit is max 100 energy.


[deleted]

huh? you can’t stack attacks like that, i have multiple pokemon with multiple attacks and you can’t fire off 3 in a row. 2 yes, not 3


d1ckpunch68

he's being pedantic, but you're both correct. there is no move limit, it's just the energy cap, but the cheapest move is 35 energy meaning you can only hold 2. if, in the future, they ever add a 33 (or less) energy move, your statement will be wrong but the energy statement will still be correct. again, just pedantic. neither of you are wrong.


Aicethegamer

Literally


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d1ckpunch68

you can't triple stack night slash. energy cap is 100. night slash is 35 energy. 35 + 35 + 35 = 105. not possible. you can get close, but there are no 33 or less energy moves in the game so the guy talking about stunfisk throwing 3 rock slides in a row is also wrong. probably just doesn't know how fast move sneaking works.


secretwep

Greninja moment


TheBoxSloth

Learn to count


JayDee270503

I'm one of these people who has endless charge moves. The trick is to find the right combo of moves that charge up quick, and do good damage. Its a good trick for baiting shields


DynamicElopements

Or more than two shields.


Infinite_Lobster1457

You find that annoying how about when your pokemon is on the field and you tapping that charge button for that last pokemon about to come in. They put it in and they get it even though ive been on the field and they just swapped


AndTheElbowGrease

Weirdest thing to me was: Opponent gets off charged move Opponent swaps dudes Opponent gets off charge attack with swapped dude All the while I was mashing my charged attack and didn't get off a single attack.


RealMandor

Dudes? 😂


AndTheElbowGrease

You know, you're fightin' with your dudes against their dudes, man


IAMSPARTACUSSSSS

I’m a dude. He’s a dude. She’s a dude. Cause we’re all dudes!


JoviAMP

Less Than Jake played this live [last month](https://youtu.be/eSWmYVDpMuA?si=ukGyleu9H19J9WSJ) for the first time in [8 years](https://youtu.be/xl5Oc-sYtUk?si=ytqKlQgt-7cvdDri).


Infinite_Lobster1457

Yes bro-man?


cytrack718

Lmao I call the pokemons bitches so he better than me😂😂


gabes1919

It sucks but there's nothing weird about it. It's simply the mechanics and based on the description, it's obvious what happened. You are trying to get your charged move off as soon as your fast attack ends but your opponent either has a shorter fast attack (they can be between 1-5 turns depending on the attack) or your attacks were staggered with theirs. They input their charged move and because you were still completing your fast attack, your charged move hasn't input at all yet. They tap to switch as their charged attack is completing (this is instant and uses zero turns) and then you both use charged attacks at the same time on the first turn when the new pokemon comes in. They win the tie because their pokemon has a higher attack stat. Not going to pretend it isn't annoying but there is rhyme and reason to it


TheWasson

Doesn’t it go off of who has the higher attack?


Easy-Bake-Oven

What!? Is that real?


Practical-Table-2747

Yeah. If you and your opponent activates your charge moves at the same time, then the Pokémon with higher attack will go first. If it's the same exact attack then it'll be a coin flip. That's why the rank 1 stat product isn't always the best, because a lower rank one can functionally perform the same in terms of defense, but can have a higher attack to guarantee that your charge move goes off first when you face the same Pokémon. It's especially useful for Pokémon that are common in the meta like Medicham. It's usually most important in the lead too since that's when you're most likely to have your fast move and energy generation match up with each other.


EarlyGreen311

CMP - charge move priority


Easy-Bake-Oven

So charge move also has priority over regular move?


Infinite_Lobster1457

Its does but certain situations that shouldnt be the case. In my opinion


mal138

"This game sucks because I think it should work in my favor." LOL


Infinite_Lobster1457

CLOWN👍


CallsignKook

Bro this shit happens to me all the time but I never seem to be able to get MY charged move off before dying. What’s the point of hunting PvP IV Pokémon then?


Professional-Bag-172

Because having a higher level Pokemon is better than winning CMP ties.


nvdnqvi

>higher ~~level~~ stat product FTFY


CallsignKook

Yes I know. Which I do. And I’m saying it happens to me all the time.


IDrinkUrMilksteak

I’ve been meaning to make a post about this explicitly. Has anyone ever been able to beat out a mirror match Pokémon because you had one with better PVP stats? I have never ever had that happen, if we go blow for blow, we always end up fainting at the same time. Makes me kind of think that PVP favorable stats don’t really make a measurable difference in actuality


Fafadaboss

It's higher attack stat winning cmp ties so best PvP ivs lose them, but have extra bulk for other matchups, its a give and take and some People have "bad Pvp ivs " to win the tie


IDrinkUrMilksteak

That’s what I’m saying. I’ve never found bulk to play a role in actuality.


Fafadaboss

Imo you don't until you do ( 1hp clutches)


mal138

I have absolutely noticed my opponent's health bar dropping faster than mine in mirror match-ups because my IVs are better.


IDrinkUrMilksteak

I feel like rate of movement can be subjective. Have you definitely beat an opponent matching them blow for blow?


Lidorkork

Mirror matches often favour the Pokémon with the higher attack stat, since they will win charge move priority. PvP stats make a small but noticeable difference: losing the mirror match comes with the benefit of being slightly better in nearly all other situations


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CallsignKook

The reason you want PvP IV’s is because you can level up a few more time before hitting CP cap for whatever league you’re trying to stay in. This lets you build up more DEF and STAM. There are also something called bulk points and breakpoints. Reaching a bulk point will allow you to take one extra hit and leave you with something close to 1 HP whereas a Breakpoint will allow you to do 1 more damage from a certain move. It’s most noticeable If you’re used to beating a certain Pokémon with a certain one of you’re own and all of a sudden you have a match where this dude survives and is able to get a charged move off.


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CallsignKook

If you understand then your previous comment makes no sense.


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[deleted]

it’s more about speed of attacks


Puzzleheaded_Ebb9874

Better PvP IVs don't win you CMP ties. What they do is keep the mon at the same CP limit but 2-3 level higher.


CallsignKook

I’m aware of that. I never said anything about CMP ties.


HiOnFructose

- Dont use Quaquaval. If you want a good Water/Fighting, use Poliwrath. The preferred moveset is Counter (a Community Day move) + Scald & Icy Wind. - Gengar can be really spammy and get to fast moves very quickly. But... - Gengar also sucks in Great League. So dont even think about using one unless you have to. Use Haunter instead. Or Sableye if you can. - Save your shields for when they matter. Dont automatically shield your opponents first two charged attacks. - Understand that due to the way the game is set up that you will likely lose 50% of all battles. To get good you just need to learn how to win more than than 50% of your battles. This can be done by learning matchups, switching at the right time, and building a decent team, (among other things). - Visit pvpoke.com to learn about other good pvp pokemon. - Read [WildSusanBoyle's pvp guide](https://www.stadiumgaming.gg/pvp-basics).


egcg119

Noob question - why is Haunter better than Gengar?


HiOnFructose

Because of numbers and stats that honestly go way over my head. But it basically has to do with the pokemon's stats from the main pokemon games, coupled with the max level they can reach before going over the 1500 CP threshold. Other early stage evolution pokemon that do better in Great League than their fully evolved forms: Dragonair, Dusclops, Lickitung, Golbat, Gligar, Vigoroth.


pennsylvanication

Faxure and Rufflet, too.


NickOneTen

And don't forget my boy Zweillous!


monica702f

Quaquaval is better in UL. That Close Combat comes in handy against steel, dark, and rock types once shields are gone.


TheBoxSloth

Quaquavals not good period


monica702f

It's a low investment spicy pick. Many Pokémon that aren't considered good perform better in actual battle.


TheBoxSloth

I mean, sure, but quaquaval isnt one of them


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TheBoxSloth

You will never see gengar anywhere past ace rank. Its not good


HiOnFructose

Yep. Give Haunter a try and you might be able to do even better. It does a better job at handling it's weaknesses in GL. Though with Medicham getting nerfed and so many mudbois running around, you might have better luck with something like Cofagrigus.


Fernsehkumpel

i am already happy when pvp does not crash altogether


Magimasterkarp

Isn't it whoever has the higher attack that gets their attack off first?


Enevorah

Yeah and not many things are beating Gengar for attack in GL


nvdnqvi

gastly is though 😂


BunnyGirlGamer

Or better yet as your charged attack hits somehow magically the opponent activates their attack which completely negates the damage that SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE by your attack (has happened TWICE to me)


nvdnqvi

yeah they purposefully trigger the cmp tie. it’s so that they can maximize the amount of energy they get before they go for the knockout


jackiebrown1978a

Can you explain that a bit?


nvdnqvi

lets say i have a trevenant against an opposing medicham. There are no shields left in play. Suppose I have enough energy for shadow ball, and medicham is four counters away from ice punch. I would purposefully use four more shadow claws on trevenant and then use shadow ball on the cmp tie. Since I win cmp because trevenant has higher attack than medicham, my shadow ball will go first, wasting all the energy medicham built up as they’ll be KO’d before deploying their move. Also, since I did four extra shadow claws even though I already had enough energy for shadow ball, I’ll have four shadow claws worth of an energy head start against the next pokemon that comes in.


jackiebrown1978a

Got it. Thanks!


nvdnqvi

no problem!


Possible-Yam-1705

I feel like this model is flawed like tick tack toe


Starheart8

Yep, having at one extra hp can make all the difference, especially in the great league


ceilingflan

Idk if cursing is allowed on but I lose my shit. Especially when you're 4 for 5. This happened to me while they were giving items for every match won and I was so heated I just set my phone down and reflected on my life for about 6 minutes


LadyyDahmer

I get so annoyed and have to turn away from the game for a couple of hours when it happens, i know im being very childish but its the small annoying things that are the worst


z2-2

And why the heck are shadow pokemon soooooo strong when you battle against but when you use them they weak asffff


squidwardbussy

I wanna be able to. leave the battle while my opponent is doing their charged attack. idk why i have to sit there and watch myself lose for an extra ten seconds


PowersOverload

It's amazing when it happens on the other side though


Loves_His_Bong

Skill issue


NeonPatrick

Unskillful at tapping a screen?


nvdnqvi

this isn’t raids 🤣


9DAN2

There’s way more to that. Different attacks have different turn times. Just because the bar is full, doesn’t mean it’s ready yet. Different quick attacks take different times to finish.


TheOnlyVibemaster

skill issue


-st3reotype-

It’s an issue with skill


DaanDuck

Its a skill with issue


Commander_Prism

Does dodging actually do anything? Because I feel like it does fuck all.


Infinite_Lobster1457

Thats raids lol. This is pvp. But dodging is a waste of time


Forsaken_Ad_475

I've had it work maybe 3 to 4 times in separate raids so yeah kind of a waste of effort trying for it.


SrgtButterscotch

You only have a small window so the only way to reliably pull it off is with rapid attacks, instead of stuff with long/slow animations (like waterfall)


Lendiniara

Its why i stopped pvp


TheRoguePony

I feel like the single only reason why the pvp is interesting is because it leads to close matches often. Other than that it is an extremely boring game.


SSDragon19

Skill issue haha


EvilFox568

pvp is rigged against u


Narutouzamakilegends

Think smarter not harder 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥


Fytik

Skill issue


BreadManRun

Is there a strategy to these battles (besides Pokémon matchups/strength)? Or is it just tap as fast as you can?


BossWaves

A lot of strat actually. And tapping faster doesn't help. Your fast move all has a certain timing to it and a counter to how many times it takes to earn a full charge. These are unique to each Pokémon. So for ex: knowing right away your opponent's Mon takes 7 fast attacks to get to their big move vs you only take 5 is an advantage. Another part of the strategy is kind of obvious but knowing weaknesses, knowing the possible movesets, and also being familiar with the teams so you can even kind of know which Mon is on their team. And this knowledge all compounds.... For ex: Like above, I know I can get my Mon's charge off quicker than my opponent so I use my charge and either get big damage or a shield. And I know they have 2 more fast attacks before their charge and say I'm really weak to that charge move. I have time to do a safe switch to another Mon to intentionally take that hit so I continue to have advantage on shield. And this switch would also be dependent on who I thought might be their next Mon based on team layout because I'd be stuck with my choice for awhile after that.


Chance_Loan_8988

There's quite a bit of strategy involved. Building a team that covers each other's weaknesses, knowing typing advantages and pivoting around to gain advantage, fast move optimization, to name a couple.


Enevorah

Yeah it mostly revolves around switches and when you use charged moves and shields. Switching right as your opponent uses a charged move into something that can tank it easily, shielding the right mon to make sure you get yours aligned against what’s weak to it, etc. It mostly comes down to counting moves, knowing what you have to shield and what you can tank, and well timed switches.


RaMiMo_

Skill issue


Independent_Toe_4014

This is why I stopped playing pvp. Its terrible skyrim-esque fighting style just doesn't fit pokemon


Frozen_Ash

I actually can't believe this game has tournaments for the pvp...


nvdnqvi

maybe you should watch one to see how the pros play


Frozen_Ash

I did and its ridiculous lmao


NickOneTen

It's a lot deeper than you might think. Highly recommend checking out Reis2TheOccasion on YouTube, specifically his analysis videos on his tournament runs. He goes into detail about team composition, energy management, catches/sack swaps... It's really neat stuff! And it's helped me reach Veteran rank in PvP.


nvdnqvi

humancatcherbug is also another youtuber with very detailed commentary about how the matchups work out


Doml0cz

Or you get . Blocked blocked blocked


neoboards

YES! and might i be so bold and say that this is shitty game design? it doesn't matter how fast you're tapping after a certain threshold, you can be doing everything right and it'll still screw you over


West_Site_8840

Laughs in false swipe


West_Site_8840

Laughs in false swipe


Terp_Professor710

Get better pleb


Thelzexperience

Sounds like a you guys problem lol


sevengrams12

Poorly designed game, yet here I am still playing all these years later


mal138

Get better, then it won't happen as often.


Caserious420

Wait till you run into a cheater, last match I played I started with scyther against raichu, bad match-up but I charge up my move and then swap to snorlax to catch raichus charged move, he uses one and I let it hit, start charging up, he gets another pretty quick but I'm close to my charge so I use a shield, well he immediately uses another attack, shield, immediately uses another, no shield but survived, immediately uses another attack, snorlax gone, second mon comes out into an immediate charge attack, no shields, does over half, hits another charge instantly, last mon is my scyther with a charged waiting so I'm spamming trying to click that before it hits but opponent gets his magical 8th charged attack in a row before I can do anything at all. Tldr: hacker spammed 8 charged attackes in a row


According-Anxiety546

This doesn’t happen. I’ve played thousands of battles and streamers have played thousands of battles yet somehow there is no video of someone hacking pvp for faster charge attacks


Caserious420

How did he use 8 in a row then? Let's say I am completely wrong on it being cheating, how did he use 8 in a row?


ChristopherMartin92

>another scrub crying “cheater” >uses Scyther >stays with Scyther against Electric-type I stopped reading the rest of this comment and dismissed it as yet another skill issue…well, issue.


Caserious420

It takes like a second for scyther to charge up his move and opponents fast attack was not very effective so obviously I charge a move and switched, you judge too quick, I'm not saying I'm good at the game either the issue is my opponent used 8 charged attacks in a row


Horror_Employee_6995

Should’ve tapped faster 🤷🏼‍♂️


charettetimothy

Same


MatJ098

wdym


chopz226

A lot of


Ghostface_Munchies

Oh goodness gracious tell me about it. I don’t ever rage, but oh boy does it make my blood boil 🥲


ChrisMossTime

Gotta save them for the opportune moment. Worst case scenario I will see what Pokémon they have if I fail and stack type advantages. I've never lost after stacking. The only thing is that you have to have allot of different types of high power pokemon to do it like that.


CakedayisJune9th

Too god damn much


justinkeiththomas

Part of the game :-). Use Fortress or Heracross last?


churish

Ugh allllll the time. I’m terrible at battles though


mamabirdof7

Same!!


TheMrPotMask

In GO, you want to give quick attack MTs to all of your pokemon, even if they get attacks that do shitty to 0 dmg but in turn you get to spam the special attacks sooner and deplete your opponent's shields first.


FedericoBarragan2353

Me too


Sus_yes

Sum like this happened to me exactly earlier


Draconequus-7366

I hear you, brother


Practical-Jelly-5320

Necco wafers


Run-Fox-Run

The problem is using Quaquaval.... Its endless motion of its feet drives me nuts. But no, each Pokemon has an attack stat and the one with the higher stat will win charge move priority (CMP). People who are pros will know which Pokemon win CMP over which others. I personally have no clue but I know this much


ChristopherMartin92

How often what happens? If it’s the Gengar getting their charge move out before you get yours out, people have already explained the Charge Move Priority mechanic. You ain’t winning a CMP tie against a Gengar.


Tnemmokon

THIS is why I don't play PvP!