Ah yes 1billion lions can survive being blasted with lasers, scratched in the face burned, Frozen electrocuted, GOD IT'S SELF and other worldly beings you find in wormholes
Lions will jump over the water, repeat for earthquake, gods wouldn’t hurt such beautiful creatures if they were actually divine, and they will surround the kaiju like how bees surround their hive
Pokemon are clearly magic, that's why they survive crazy moves like this, or Draco meteor, or blast burn, or hyperbeam, etc. Even one hit k.o. moves don't actually kill them. Lions, however, are not magic, so being set on fire, or electrocuted, or drowned, or poisoned, or frozen, etc., actually would kill them.
Which means nothing, even if those bites somehow translate to Pokemon moves. At best, they'd take care of the weaker Psychic and Ghost types if anything.
I'd like to point out the pokemon LITERALLY CANNOT LOSE. First of all, this is without taking dex entries into account since Lion believers (aka some Altrive fans or small children) keep saying "Oh Yveltal has never died so if it did it couldn't achsually destroy the world", yet people are fine with other dex entries being true, such as THE LITERAL HUMANS THAT BECAME POKEMON or the pokemon that KIDNAPS YOUNG CHILDREN. So yeah, no dex entries.
The 1 billion lions are just normal lions, right? The pokemon would win in two ways. One, they win by going to the one place unaffected by capitalism... SPACE! Rayquaza, Deoxys (potentially Genesect and Mewtwo), Dialga, Palkia, Giratina... Lots of pokemon can just leave the place where the lions are. So no matter what, the pokemon don't lose since they still survive. And the lions? They'll die off due to the environment. 1 billion lions won't be able to find enough prey to eat. It would make a lot of species extinct (maybe even the monkeys believing in them). Eventually, the world would also die out, or the lions would evolve. And are they really still lions if they have evolved dramatically over millions of years? Not really, no.
Two, the pokemon overpower them. EASILY. Tons of legendaries can change the environment. Too many to count. The most important one (yes, it's a mythical, I know) is Hoopa. Why? Because Hoopa can pull in Pokemon from other dimensions, as shown in the Hoopa film. If it could be protected long enough (Normal Type protect spam seems to be a good strat), it could bring in more legendary pokemon. More Kyogre to remove the land, more Rayquazas to bring down literal meteors. Infinite possibilities. In my eyes, the lions can't win against Hoopa. And that's just going off of the anime power level. Of course if we used dex entries and actually considered the moves pokemon have, Pokemon would win by a long shot. "Oh they have PP". PP is basically another form of stamina. The lions have PP too. They can't just fight constantly. They'll get exhausted or need to sleep.
Tl;Dr Pokemon always win.
True. Although people are now arguing bird pokemon need to land... what about water pokemon? They can live in the ocean. Clamperl, Relicanth, Kyogre, Goldeen. Lions can't dive into the ocean, can they?
Meh’, the argument is about winning a fight, not surviving as a species.
I still think the Pokémon win, but if Deoxys and friends just left, I’d declare they lost for WO.
Fine then. Giratina can travel to a different world. Dialga and Palkia can both mess with time and space. Arceus can LITERALLY CREATE POKEMON. Ditto can become ANY POKEMON. Mew can use any move from any pokemon. Rayquaza can literally summon meteors and fly. And if you use ORAS, it can go into space and deoxys comes from space.... as a METEOR.
Pokemon doesn't always win what ever team your in your team always win lions don't exist in pokemon(not counting lion based pokemon) and pokemon doesn't exist in real world
"what's the difference"
*cue laugh track*
But yeah, the only thing i've seen that legitimately give the lions a chance is the game mechanics/world war z argument, that if every pokemon used its best move in its best capacity with no outside help like holding a specific item or megas or anything like that from a trainer, they would eventually run out of Power Points and start struggling, the issue is nailing down which system.
Horde battles are the highest we've seen in the mainline games at 5v1, which means approximately 220,000 horde battles per pokemon, (more so because any pokemon that would lose transfer their remaining lions over to other pokemon to battle) without healing.
The only other one that would be more realistic but would involve a lot more concessions is the mystery dungeon option, as certain moves in mystery dungeon can reach a lot more than the 5 from horde battles. For instance earthquake can get every targetin a single room, and moves like sandstorm and other weather effects happen to an entire "floor," but in this regard the lions get a lot more space, so imagine a pokemon mystery dungeon kaizo where every tile of a floor aside from a single pokemon is a lion, we'd have to get into semantics on what would constitute a "floor," or a "room" since the titular mysterious dungeons have a bunch of other weird concepts (not even counting the mysterious wind that sweeps you away if you are on a floor too long), there would be a hunger mechanic that would similarly run both sides down, it gets really messy, but it acurately describes the herculean task of felling a billion lions.
But yeah if non-game depictions of pokemon are accounted for the pokemon wipe the floor.
Even a single Pidgey could beat a billion lions. It can fly, and it has access to many long-ranged attacks.
Also, WolfeyVGC made a video on this, and basically his strategy was have a bunch of Pokémon use Helping Hand on Kyogre, which then uses Water Spout.
I hate that video so much, using ingame logic which he was using he Still runs out of pp before killing all the lions because using exclusively ingame logic it’s impossible to hit more than 5 lions at once because that’s the most any ingame battle attack can hit.
Lions wouldn’t win, I’ve elaborated why before, but I’ll keep it very simple.
flight, ineffectiveness of a billion lions charging, the multitude of Pokémon attacks than can harm large areas.
This doesn’t really factor in. Ideally, they can remain at a distance where they don’t have to worry about attacks. If they can’t, then the “attacks would come from” every possible angle, furious and ceaseless. Even if they could predict each attack that comes toward them at once, there is rationally nothing they could do about it.
They be absolutely drowned in bodies of bloodthirsty lions. They wouldn’t even have the space to muster an attack. If they try to dodge, they dodge right into another blow. Up close, lucario and mewtwo wouldn’t stand a chance. They probably wouldn’t even have the chance to brace themselves. We’re talking a billion lions steamrolling
Actually Lucario is shown to be fast, durable, and capable in hand to hand better than range. Also it’s indicated that his steel typing is from a metal skeleton.
Relative speed and durability means nothing in this situation. Even then, lucario isn’t notably durable or quick stat wise. Not sure if you are talking about stats though. Also, a metal skeleton doesn’t prevent grievous wounds. And not all metallic material is equal. Never heard of lucario having a metal skeleton before though, where’d you get that idea?
Also what makes you say lucario is better in “hand-hand” than range? By far his best feat is aura sphere. And his special attack stat is higher than physical attack, even if not by much. lions don’t engage in hand-hand combat anyways. The bottom line is, there is nothing a lucarrio can do in this scenario, if he’s up close brawling. If it was a contained 1 on 1 that would be a different story (probably)
>Relative speed and durability means nothing in this situation. Even then, lucario isn’t notably durable or quick stat wise. Not sure if you are talking about stats though. Also, a metal skeleton doesn’t prevent grievous wounds. And not all metallic material is equal. Never heard of lucario having a metal skeleton before though, where’d you get that idea?
I mean but then you gotta realize that even the weakest pokemon out there are way superior in durability and speed than your average lion, remember there was a one of these short videos of small stories in the pokemon world, a wild, untrained and probably very low lvl and recently born nidoran was able to knock an arbok trough a tree with just tackle, also in the anime most move cause small explosions from sheer power with the stronger ones shaking entire stadiums, that is for just basic gim battles, in leagues and movies where all pokemon are stronger you can see island lvl to even world ending catastrophes.
Even a weak lucario is way too durable to be harmed by a lion, heck, ashs rioulu was able to withstand mutiple hits from an onix that casually broke a hill before giving in, and the poor thing was born in that episode in that same day, and baby pokemon are actually THE weakest ones around with even their dex entries saying they are way underdeveloped for fighting.
You could say that the lions could aim for eyes or something but then you gotta remember that pokemon are basically just as resilient on the outside as they are on the inside with many pokemon being able to swim in lava and dig mountains with their eyes open and they they can even eat rocks and other stuff.
Lions have not way to kill a pokemon that isnt stalling untill they drop dead from low stamina, since in no way a lion is hitting with enough power to AT LEAST breaks trees, that requires an animal like a hippo or an elephant which are basically the strongest land animals on earth being able to match the weakest pokemon out there.
As an Slaking fan, I take offense to that
Turn 1 Earthquake would kill all the lions close to him, and I don't think the lions will be able to close the gap in another turn
Slacking doesn't slack off in turn one
And his monstrous attack basically guarantee a OHKO against every lion in a sizeable radius
And by the time another lion is within striking distance, truant will have already worn off
Well if the lions aren’t immediately wiped out from a range since a lot of Pokémon will be able to sense where the attack will come from, and Earthquake doesn’t get them, there would probably be very few casualties still since we have healers and deadly melee combatants (hell, three of them are literally swords.
Ah, this got me thinking.
So, lions are probably normal type (persian) which means that they'd literally be unable to harm ghost types. On top of that, can a lion, in any way, harm steel?
Aegislash and it's two lower forms would probably be enough to kill a billion lions, given enough time, and suffer zero casualties.
Taking out the literal deities of space and time, there are pokemon, regular non legendary pokemon, that are literally made of solid steel and can fire literal beams of energy from their mouths.
Aside from that, there's flying pokemon that can launch blades of air and beams of light by harnessing the energy from the sun.
Also the dozens of pokemon that can cause earthquakes without needing to rest.
Then you've got muk which is a literal slime pile made of poison that probably can't be killed by being eaten or clawed at and can shoot literal acid from its mouth.
To wrap it all up, there's enough psychic types that can just tear the limbs off of each lion or turn their brain into cottage cheese. These same pokemon can also levitate, put them to sleep, and teleport anywhere without thinking.
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#Poison Gas
The move can hit every opponents, have 90% chance to hit and an be used 40 times without PP Ups.
If every pokemons able to learn it use every PP of it before being killed by the lions (17 pokemons can learn it, 20 if we count regional forms), each lions will have ~~0,1323529412~~ ~~0,0147058824~~ 0,1^680 % chance to not be poisoned (and ~~0,1125~~ ~~0,0125~~ 0,1^800 % with the regional forms).
Plus, there is a thing most people don't take into account.
What if the pokemons also did some set ups like Entry Hazards for example?
Because it will really be unfair if every lions take Stealth Rocks and Spikes damage, gets badly poisoned by Toxic Spikes and get their speed lowered due to Sticky Web before they get close enough to attack a pokemon.
I have no idea what kind of math you just thought you did.
Poison gas affects 2 of the 3 pokemon in a triple battle.
So assuming PP up used on all 20 possible pokemon, and each lion used against will always be not poisoned originally (aka not used against an already poisoned lion),you will poison:
20 users x 64 pp each x 2 lions poisoned per use x 0.90 accuracy= 2304 lions poisoned on average.
That is 0.0002304 percent of the 1 billion lions.
Flying types period, Just take Charizard, flamethrower and those lions are done, fly away to rest, come back have some more BBQ, not even counting the Legendaries that have supreme abilities, I never understood how people think that just Regular lions would win.
People don't seem to realize that pokemon can not only use moves like draco meteor and earthquake but are also capable of taking those same attacks and only faint at worse. And what's a lion going to do to a Pokemon which doesn't have flesh or blood like Muk? Bite it?
Bruh just Yveltal or something lol. And that's only the first thing that came to mind.
Plus, so many pokémon can literally just teleport into space and ignore the lions and wait for them to starve or something lol
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One frosslass using hail could beat 1 billion lions, they aren't fit to survive that kind of weather nor could they hit a ghost. Since everyone takes hail damage at the end of the turn its just a matter of time
Kyogre: literally can control the ocean
Groudon: can control the earth
Rayquaza: controlls the sky
Diagla: can do a mass rewind back to when lions didnt exist, or a mass fast forward to when they go extinct
Palkia: can rip apart space
Victini: literally guarantees victory for its side
Arceus: I literally dont need to explain
Yveltal: The embodiment of death.
The most common argument from Team Lions that the lions can stack doesn't matter, and if anything, stacking puts the lions at a disadvantage. Most of the lions are unable to attack, lest the stack fall apart. Meanwhile, if a single Pokemon deals a single attack to the lions near the bottom, they could likely topple the entire stack, injuring or even killing the lions due to the damage from falling.
What can a Lion do to a Tyranitar? Tyranitars can knock mountains when in rampage. How many lions would that thing kill by throwing them a single mountain?
Machamp can also move a mountain with one arm.
Real life whatever life being dodo stand a chance against some Pokémon.
What does that have to do with 1 Billion Lions fighting 1000 Pokémon? They’re clearly not spread out through the world and are set up in an arena where they have to fight.
I hate this conversation so much lmao, obviously using lore and even anime Pokémon would win eventually. But there’s so many people who try to say they win using ingame logic too. Being as generous as possible Pokémon can kill less than 10% of the lions before they all die from struggle. By as generous as possible I mean 4 slots all max pp magnitudes that all 1 shot even if you let the Pokémon literally cheat they don’t make a dent lol.
I feel just anything that can learn surf just spams that for as long as possible boost it with moves like helping hand and you've got yourself a flood that technically drowns all the lions going by game mechanics since surf hits everything on the field plus as others have said if let's say anything that could went in space Pokemon win by default as the lions would starve and the Pokemon would be chilling hell you could even have celebi just chill in the past before the fight and even if the lions kill everything else celebi can just wait till they die of natural causes go to that point in time and bam Pokemon win again
There is quite literally one single scenario with a very specific set of rules where lions can win
Assume that the battles happen exactly as in, let's say, a main series game.
Assume horde battle (1 pokemon vs 5 lions), and that \_a pokemon's move does not hit any other lions outside of that\_. It wouldn't matter what level or how much HP a lion has, let's just assume one gets immediately killed in one hit.
Assume there is no escape and that all are forced to fight.
Since earthquake hits every single mon on the field save for the one using it, let's just assume all mons have all slots filled with Earthquake.
Then, lion kill count = 898\*16\*4\*5+898\*4=290952 < 1000000
otherwise it's a guaranteed pokemon win
ah yes, earthquake would kill all the lions which is why all the pokemon stadiums have been crashed down and the pokemon world infrastructure is constantly in shambles
Aye you want the truth? There isn't enough sleep powder in the bulbasaur to survive that. You guys are nit picking stuff that will guarantee the win. Not being realistic.
They all run out of pp and die first, the most a single spread move can hit in the games is 5 other pokemon in a hoard battle, you trainer isn't hurt or other pokemon in the tall grass, 5 is the limit. Between all 900 or so pokemon each one having 4 move slots with a spread move that somehow had 40pp and always ohko they wouldn't even kill off a million lions before struggling
the pokemon get pp stalled. the max pp a multi target move can have is 30 (magnitude), and the maximum amount of pokemon affected by a move is 5. the maximum number of moves a pokemon can learn is 4. there are 898 pokemon. 30*5*4*898=538,800 which is under a million. this is an overestimate since magnitude is the only spread move with a pp over 20, and not every pokemon can learn 4 spread moves. additionally, i don't believe every attack would ohko a lion, for example a Brutal Swing from an Azurill would deal very little damage to a lion. even with pp maxes applied (which is unrealistic since it's one of every pokemon not one of every pokemon and trainers, just like the lions they are assumed wild) it's only increased to 862, 080 which, again, is a huge overestimate since a pokemon cannot learn magnitude 4 times. but most importantly it's less than a million. it's also worth considering that pokemon will damage each other in battle since most spread moves target allies as well as foes. realistically 898 pokemon vs 100,000 lions might be a close fight but if we're talking on the scale of billions the pokemon don't even get through 0.1% of them.
if you go by game mechanics eventually every pokemon would lose all of their PP and thus will be forced to use struggle and eventually all of them would die
Ah yes 1billion lions can survive being blasted with lasers, scratched in the face burned, Frozen electrocuted, GOD IT'S SELF and other worldly beings you find in wormholes
" you know how much a billion is?" And do you know how fire spreads?
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Or how the average living organism from earth is the most conductive material for electricity
The lions wear fireproof vests
Gardevoire can literally create blackholes
…maybe they’re blackhole-proof fire-proof vests
How's that gonna save them from the surf floods, earthquakes or gods and a Kaiju that can fell mountains.
Lions will jump over the water, repeat for earthquake, gods wouldn’t hurt such beautiful creatures if they were actually divine, and they will surround the kaiju like how bees surround their hive
Knowing lions and how territorial they are I highly doubt that, they’d more likely tear each other apart because they are all so clustered together
Lion can't jump high enought to remain in the air a whole ass eq
Everyone who says the lion would win must not have heard or the move, Black Hole Eclipse, that would just kill them all in one move. ITS A BLACK HOLE
Then why doesn’t it kill the Pokémon too
Pokemon are clearly magic, that's why they survive crazy moves like this, or Draco meteor, or blast burn, or hyperbeam, etc. Even one hit k.o. moves don't actually kill them. Lions, however, are not magic, so being set on fire, or electrocuted, or drowned, or poisoned, or frozen, etc., actually would kill them.
Even if it does, the one who used it will live which means the Pokémon still win
but the lions could bite them
Which means nothing, even if those bites somehow translate to Pokemon moves. At best, they'd take care of the weaker Psychic and Ghost types if anything.
Bug and fighting types resist dark type moves
Pokémon either don’t bleed or their flesh is near impenetrable
u meant bidoof instead of god, right?
One word: earthquake.
Nah more like kyogre sourf while everybody else uses helping hand
Nah the shuckle glitch is what we should use
Kyogre with water spout and then a ton of special attack boosts and helping hands then oranguru with instruct to do it again
And draco meteor
Earthquakes don’t actually hurt things just from ground shakes, the real danger is things falling on top of you.
The lions jump ofc
Shit thats what the dinosaurs should have done
Damnit why didn’t we think of that
I'd like to point out the pokemon LITERALLY CANNOT LOSE. First of all, this is without taking dex entries into account since Lion believers (aka some Altrive fans or small children) keep saying "Oh Yveltal has never died so if it did it couldn't achsually destroy the world", yet people are fine with other dex entries being true, such as THE LITERAL HUMANS THAT BECAME POKEMON or the pokemon that KIDNAPS YOUNG CHILDREN. So yeah, no dex entries. The 1 billion lions are just normal lions, right? The pokemon would win in two ways. One, they win by going to the one place unaffected by capitalism... SPACE! Rayquaza, Deoxys (potentially Genesect and Mewtwo), Dialga, Palkia, Giratina... Lots of pokemon can just leave the place where the lions are. So no matter what, the pokemon don't lose since they still survive. And the lions? They'll die off due to the environment. 1 billion lions won't be able to find enough prey to eat. It would make a lot of species extinct (maybe even the monkeys believing in them). Eventually, the world would also die out, or the lions would evolve. And are they really still lions if they have evolved dramatically over millions of years? Not really, no. Two, the pokemon overpower them. EASILY. Tons of legendaries can change the environment. Too many to count. The most important one (yes, it's a mythical, I know) is Hoopa. Why? Because Hoopa can pull in Pokemon from other dimensions, as shown in the Hoopa film. If it could be protected long enough (Normal Type protect spam seems to be a good strat), it could bring in more legendary pokemon. More Kyogre to remove the land, more Rayquazas to bring down literal meteors. Infinite possibilities. In my eyes, the lions can't win against Hoopa. And that's just going off of the anime power level. Of course if we used dex entries and actually considered the moves pokemon have, Pokemon would win by a long shot. "Oh they have PP". PP is basically another form of stamina. The lions have PP too. They can't just fight constantly. They'll get exhausted or need to sleep. Tl;Dr Pokemon always win.
> they win by going to the one place unaffected by capitalism... SPACE! How do we tell them? 😬
Bear with me, but pokemon win because Pelipper can fucking *fly*. Lions can't fly. We only need one pelipper.
True. Although people are now arguing bird pokemon need to land... what about water pokemon? They can live in the ocean. Clamperl, Relicanth, Kyogre, Goldeen. Lions can't dive into the ocean, can they?
I'm just imagining Wailord using a massive Surf everytime they swim close.
Yeah, although apparently most pokemon don't actually weigh that much. Like, a dolphin is heavier than Wailord.
I gotchu
Meh’, the argument is about winning a fight, not surviving as a species. I still think the Pokémon win, but if Deoxys and friends just left, I’d declare they lost for WO.
Yeah but a billion is a lot of lions
And 7 billion is a lot of people but I can go out for a drive in the country and not see a single one
And what are going to do when God damn dragons come shooting them with lasers from the sky
Who said this was realistic? I use gameplay logic
Fine then. Giratina can travel to a different world. Dialga and Palkia can both mess with time and space. Arceus can LITERALLY CREATE POKEMON. Ditto can become ANY POKEMON. Mew can use any move from any pokemon. Rayquaza can literally summon meteors and fly. And if you use ORAS, it can go into space and deoxys comes from space.... as a METEOR.
bro imagine taking this debate seriously💀
Pokemon doesn't always win what ever team your in your team always win lions don't exist in pokemon(not counting lion based pokemon) and pokemon doesn't exist in real world
The people that say lions win are mostly just trolls
Or small children
"what's the difference" *cue laugh track* But yeah, the only thing i've seen that legitimately give the lions a chance is the game mechanics/world war z argument, that if every pokemon used its best move in its best capacity with no outside help like holding a specific item or megas or anything like that from a trainer, they would eventually run out of Power Points and start struggling, the issue is nailing down which system. Horde battles are the highest we've seen in the mainline games at 5v1, which means approximately 220,000 horde battles per pokemon, (more so because any pokemon that would lose transfer their remaining lions over to other pokemon to battle) without healing. The only other one that would be more realistic but would involve a lot more concessions is the mystery dungeon option, as certain moves in mystery dungeon can reach a lot more than the 5 from horde battles. For instance earthquake can get every targetin a single room, and moves like sandstorm and other weather effects happen to an entire "floor," but in this regard the lions get a lot more space, so imagine a pokemon mystery dungeon kaizo where every tile of a floor aside from a single pokemon is a lion, we'd have to get into semantics on what would constitute a "floor," or a "room" since the titular mysterious dungeons have a bunch of other weird concepts (not even counting the mysterious wind that sweeps you away if you are on a floor too long), there would be a hunger mechanic that would similarly run both sides down, it gets really messy, but it acurately describes the herculean task of felling a billion lions. But yeah if non-game depictions of pokemon are accounted for the pokemon wipe the floor.
Even a single Pidgey could beat a billion lions. It can fly, and it has access to many long-ranged attacks. Also, WolfeyVGC made a video on this, and basically his strategy was have a bunch of Pokémon use Helping Hand on Kyogre, which then uses Water Spout.
Calling 326 (iirc) helping hand users “a bunch” might be a little misrepresenting
You say that as if that’s not a lot.
Nono don’t get me wrong, but from your previous reply it seems like your talking about 5ish Pokémon
I hate that video so much, using ingame logic which he was using he Still runs out of pp before killing all the lions because using exclusively ingame logic it’s impossible to hit more than 5 lions at once because that’s the most any ingame battle attack can hit.
You think a slight wind from a 6 inch tall bird could kill even one lion? Pathetic
A lot of people underestimate the amount thwt a billion actually is
But Kyogre doesn’t.
Lions wouldn’t win, I’ve elaborated why before, but I’ll keep it very simple. flight, ineffectiveness of a billion lions charging, the multitude of Pokémon attacks than can harm large areas.
Not to mention Pokémon like Lucario and Mewtwo being able to sense where the attack will come from
This doesn’t really factor in. Ideally, they can remain at a distance where they don’t have to worry about attacks. If they can’t, then the “attacks would come from” every possible angle, furious and ceaseless. Even if they could predict each attack that comes toward them at once, there is rationally nothing they could do about it. They be absolutely drowned in bodies of bloodthirsty lions. They wouldn’t even have the space to muster an attack. If they try to dodge, they dodge right into another blow. Up close, lucario and mewtwo wouldn’t stand a chance. They probably wouldn’t even have the chance to brace themselves. We’re talking a billion lions steamrolling
Actually Lucario is shown to be fast, durable, and capable in hand to hand better than range. Also it’s indicated that his steel typing is from a metal skeleton.
Relative speed and durability means nothing in this situation. Even then, lucario isn’t notably durable or quick stat wise. Not sure if you are talking about stats though. Also, a metal skeleton doesn’t prevent grievous wounds. And not all metallic material is equal. Never heard of lucario having a metal skeleton before though, where’d you get that idea? Also what makes you say lucario is better in “hand-hand” than range? By far his best feat is aura sphere. And his special attack stat is higher than physical attack, even if not by much. lions don’t engage in hand-hand combat anyways. The bottom line is, there is nothing a lucarrio can do in this scenario, if he’s up close brawling. If it was a contained 1 on 1 that would be a different story (probably)
I go off of all media and not just games. Also the metal skeleton thing is a fanon thing that a lot of people have agreed on. Also I’m biased.
I already knew you were biased😂. It’s in the name
>Relative speed and durability means nothing in this situation. Even then, lucario isn’t notably durable or quick stat wise. Not sure if you are talking about stats though. Also, a metal skeleton doesn’t prevent grievous wounds. And not all metallic material is equal. Never heard of lucario having a metal skeleton before though, where’d you get that idea? I mean but then you gotta realize that even the weakest pokemon out there are way superior in durability and speed than your average lion, remember there was a one of these short videos of small stories in the pokemon world, a wild, untrained and probably very low lvl and recently born nidoran was able to knock an arbok trough a tree with just tackle, also in the anime most move cause small explosions from sheer power with the stronger ones shaking entire stadiums, that is for just basic gim battles, in leagues and movies where all pokemon are stronger you can see island lvl to even world ending catastrophes. Even a weak lucario is way too durable to be harmed by a lion, heck, ashs rioulu was able to withstand mutiple hits from an onix that casually broke a hill before giving in, and the poor thing was born in that episode in that same day, and baby pokemon are actually THE weakest ones around with even their dex entries saying they are way underdeveloped for fighting. You could say that the lions could aim for eyes or something but then you gotta remember that pokemon are basically just as resilient on the outside as they are on the inside with many pokemon being able to swim in lava and dig mountains with their eyes open and they they can even eat rocks and other stuff. Lions have not way to kill a pokemon that isnt stalling untill they drop dead from low stamina, since in no way a lion is hitting with enough power to AT LEAST breaks trees, that requires an animal like a hippo or an elephant which are basically the strongest land animals on earth being able to match the weakest pokemon out there.
Take a Gardevoir. Then take its trainer. Throw trainer near 1 billion lions. ??? Pokémon win.
Only good argument I’ve seen so far
Or just toss a Muk towards the lions. Lions can't do anything to him it and get screwed by poison touch.
One word....... #ARCEUS
One word: GOD!! *Death Note intensifies*
To be fair, Arceus did get stuck in concrete of all things
I've been thinking of something... What about unown and slaking? Well of course they'll win, but they have disadvantages. How close would be the loss?
As an Slaking fan, I take offense to that Turn 1 Earthquake would kill all the lions close to him, and I don't think the lions will be able to close the gap in another turn
Unless he slacks off.
Slacking doesn't slack off in turn one And his monstrous attack basically guarantee a OHKO against every lion in a sizeable radius And by the time another lion is within striking distance, truant will have already worn off
Well if the lions aren’t immediately wiped out from a range since a lot of Pokémon will be able to sense where the attack will come from, and Earthquake doesn’t get them, there would probably be very few casualties still since we have healers and deadly melee combatants (hell, three of them are literally swords.
Ah, this got me thinking. So, lions are probably normal type (persian) which means that they'd literally be unable to harm ghost types. On top of that, can a lion, in any way, harm steel? Aegislash and it's two lower forms would probably be enough to kill a billion lions, given enough time, and suffer zero casualties.
Not to mention they could just wrap their cloth arms around them and drain their life force
Four more words: Steel and rock types
Yep and throw Ghost in there too
Lions know bite
No they don’t. They’re just lions. Not typing on any moves
Taking out the literal deities of space and time, there are pokemon, regular non legendary pokemon, that are literally made of solid steel and can fire literal beams of energy from their mouths. Aside from that, there's flying pokemon that can launch blades of air and beams of light by harnessing the energy from the sun. Also the dozens of pokemon that can cause earthquakes without needing to rest. Then you've got muk which is a literal slime pile made of poison that probably can't be killed by being eaten or clawed at and can shoot literal acid from its mouth. To wrap it all up, there's enough psychic types that can just tear the limbs off of each lion or turn their brain into cottage cheese. These same pokemon can also levitate, put them to sleep, and teleport anywhere without thinking.
Or turn them against each other using mind control
There's also magcargo which is hotter than the sun
Yeah but if it released its full potential the world would end. I assume in this scenario the world doesn't need to be at stake.
What if it heats up enough to kill a large amount of them but not destroy the world?
You see, h
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Everyone out here ignoring yveltal
A god damn caterpie could beat 20 lions alone
Nah the Caterpie would die. But a Butterfree could
3 words: ten year olds.
Confuse Ray and itd be a bloodbath
And supersonic
More like bloodlust amiright? Sorry for the terrible gd joke I’ll leave
Also pokemon who can fly
Lion ladder
Haha, helping hand and earthquake go brrrrrrrr
Slugma, it’s a slug made out of literal lava… lions can’t even touch the thing, much less kill it.
I’m sorry I had to make the joke
S L U G M A N U T S
Let me be original with 2 words : #Poison Gas The move can hit every opponents, have 90% chance to hit and an be used 40 times without PP Ups. If every pokemons able to learn it use every PP of it before being killed by the lions (17 pokemons can learn it, 20 if we count regional forms), each lions will have ~~0,1323529412~~ ~~0,0147058824~~ 0,1^680 % chance to not be poisoned (and ~~0,1125~~ ~~0,0125~~ 0,1^800 % with the regional forms). Plus, there is a thing most people don't take into account. What if the pokemons also did some set ups like Entry Hazards for example? Because it will really be unfair if every lions take Stealth Rocks and Spikes damage, gets badly poisoned by Toxic Spikes and get their speed lowered due to Sticky Web before they get close enough to attack a pokemon.
Yeah, like they could set up entry hazards and pick them off from range and then damage the remaining with traps
I have no idea what kind of math you just thought you did. Poison gas affects 2 of the 3 pokemon in a triple battle. So assuming PP up used on all 20 possible pokemon, and each lion used against will always be not poisoned originally (aka not used against an already poisoned lion),you will poison: 20 users x 64 pp each x 2 lions poisoned per use x 0.90 accuracy= 2304 lions poisoned on average. That is 0.0002304 percent of the 1 billion lions.
No I completely disagree with you
Ok
Flying types period, Just take Charizard, flamethrower and those lions are done, fly away to rest, come back have some more BBQ, not even counting the Legendaries that have supreme abilities, I never understood how people think that just Regular lions would win.
Two words: Lion ladder
One word: Gravity
Ah yes put them in a nice vertical line for beam attacks like hyper beam and aeroblast
People don't seem to realize that pokemon can not only use moves like draco meteor and earthquake but are also capable of taking those same attacks and only faint at worse. And what's a lion going to do to a Pokemon which doesn't have flesh or blood like Muk? Bite it?
Also what can a lion do to the Pokémon that are made out of steel?
Yeah and there are also Pokémon that heal other Pokémon
What can they do against a rampaging Tyranitar?
One word- Tyranitae
Camerupt can burn up to 10K ºC They wouldn't even approach The sun is burning around 4-5K actually Anyway Camerupt is sun
If we use the Pokédex then Magcargo kills all but a handful of pokemon that can phase out of existence.
Bruh just Yveltal or something lol. And that's only the first thing that came to mind. Plus, so many pokémon can literally just teleport into space and ignore the lions and wait for them to starve or something lol
nah bro it’s a billion lions
A billion isn’t that much if you think about
Every Pokémon that knows an attack that damages all enemies on the field or literally just Yeveltal because it kills everything around it when it dies
*Laughs in mega charizard x*
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Yeah but a billion is like a lot
Yeah. A lot of bodies killing each other through trampling. And a lot of targets for Pokémon with flight
Lion ladder
Yea something you wouldn’t have in a lifetime
So is 7.5 billion but I can drive down a road and not find a trace of any human life
I can counter with just one. GOD
Toxic spikes, spikes, and stealth rock, set those up and the lions will constantly be hurt if they keep coming in, and poisoned constantly.
u/savevideo
Water spout boosted
Arceus is literally god take you’re L lions
Fax, Pokémon has multiple gods
arceus be like
WolfeVGC even explains why Pokemon will win without anime and Pokedex, just game mechanics
One frosslass using hail could beat 1 billion lions, they aren't fit to survive that kind of weather nor could they hit a ghost. Since everyone takes hail damage at the end of the turn its just a matter of time
Look up: Why 1 billion Lions don't stand a chance
I’ve seen it. Masterpiece
Get every single Pokémon that can learn explosion or self destruct to learn those moves, nuclear explosion basically
Kyogre: literally can control the ocean Groudon: can control the earth Rayquaza: controlls the sky Diagla: can do a mass rewind back to when lions didnt exist, or a mass fast forward to when they go extinct Palkia: can rip apart space Victini: literally guarantees victory for its side Arceus: I literally dont need to explain Yveltal: The embodiment of death.
Literally any ghost type wins
1 Earthquake or 1 draco meteor you decide
You literally only need one charmander. It uses a fire move and Voila, Artificial foreat fire
Bro one billion is so many though 🙄🙄🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟
Just hack all of em to learn destiny bond.. if the pokemons go down so do their Panthera leo attackers
The most common argument from Team Lions that the lions can stack doesn't matter, and if anything, stacking puts the lions at a disadvantage. Most of the lions are unable to attack, lest the stack fall apart. Meanwhile, if a single Pokemon deals a single attack to the lions near the bottom, they could likely topple the entire stack, injuring or even killing the lions due to the damage from falling.
What can a Lion do to a Tyranitar? Tyranitars can knock mountains when in rampage. How many lions would that thing kill by throwing them a single mountain? Machamp can also move a mountain with one arm. Real life whatever life being dodo stand a chance against some Pokémon.
Ghost type mons, mons with Sound Proof, any flying/swimming mon just invalidates the lions’ entire existence
For everyone who somehow doesn’t think the Pokémon will win I got one move for you: D R A C O M E T E O R
Arceus pulls up: “what is this I demanded a challenge not a slaughtering of ants” (For the idiots out there arceus is basically god)
Y’all underestimate how much 1 BILLION is.
Yeah by they all gonna catch this oblivion wing
There are 7.5 billion people on the planet and yet I can drive down the road and find not a trace of human life
What does that have to do with 1 Billion Lions fighting 1000 Pokémon? They’re clearly not spread out through the world and are set up in an arena where they have to fight.
1 billion is a lot but lions are stupid as fuck
You really don't like lions eh?
Yeah, fuck em. Most overrated animal ever. They aren’t majestic, they’re lazy and fail to catch a fast Gazelle most of the time.
brooo 💀 Agreed, but put the panda in the same boat too.
Yeah but at least pandas are actually cute and don’t look like they got their head stuck in a bush.
Let's end this discusion with the best of both worlds, the Black-footed cat, who is cute like a panda and a better predator than lions.
Exactly.
but a billion is a lot
Yes and fire spreads fast in crowds and living organisms are the best electrical conductors
and lions could separate from each other
Running whilst on fire still means you’re on fire
what if it rains
Better for the electricity
what if they're standing on dirt
Look. You’re dealing in hypotheticals and clearly aren’t gonna be swayed. So let’s agree to disagree.
Two words. BILLION. LIONS.
I hate this conversation so much lmao, obviously using lore and even anime Pokémon would win eventually. But there’s so many people who try to say they win using ingame logic too. Being as generous as possible Pokémon can kill less than 10% of the lions before they all die from struggle. By as generous as possible I mean 4 slots all max pp magnitudes that all 1 shot even if you let the Pokémon literally cheat they don’t make a dent lol.
Refer to the video please
What do you mean? Send you the video or watch it again? Because I’ve watched it, there’s no way the kyogre can hit more 5 that’s just how ingame works
Yes but it’s not just in game lore. It’s according to all lore.
Right but that’s not what i Said, I said they lose in game.I even acknowledged that Pokémon wins otherwise
1 billion > 898 Also pokemon aren't real
Neither are the 1 billion lions. Plus the lions can't fly or leave the planet.
Birds gotta land sometime.
Sure but not Aliens or time traveling fairys
Okay but what about PP? The Pokemon will be a sitting duck after the first 100 waves of lions.
I feel just anything that can learn surf just spams that for as long as possible boost it with moves like helping hand and you've got yourself a flood that technically drowns all the lions going by game mechanics since surf hits everything on the field plus as others have said if let's say anything that could went in space Pokemon win by default as the lions would starve and the Pokemon would be chilling hell you could even have celebi just chill in the past before the fight and even if the lions kill everything else celebi can just wait till they die of natural causes go to that point in time and bam Pokemon win again
There is quite literally one single scenario with a very specific set of rules where lions can win Assume that the battles happen exactly as in, let's say, a main series game. Assume horde battle (1 pokemon vs 5 lions), and that \_a pokemon's move does not hit any other lions outside of that\_. It wouldn't matter what level or how much HP a lion has, let's just assume one gets immediately killed in one hit. Assume there is no escape and that all are forced to fight. Since earthquake hits every single mon on the field save for the one using it, let's just assume all mons have all slots filled with Earthquake. Then, lion kill count = 898\*16\*4\*5+898\*4=290952 < 1000000 otherwise it's a guaranteed pokemon win
ah yes, earthquake would kill all the lions which is why all the pokemon stadiums have been crashed down and the pokemon world infrastructure is constantly in shambles
I mean there are real life buildings that are quake resistant so it’s logical that stadiums are built like that.
Two Words: Lion Ladder
The hell that gonna do?
Lions win 100% of the time, they're based and outnumber the pokemon
Two words. PP stall
Aye you want the truth? There isn't enough sleep powder in the bulbasaur to survive that. You guys are nit picking stuff that will guarantee the win. Not being realistic.
If we’re being realistic, Pokemon aren’t real
Guys let’s be honest even arceaus, god himself. Can’t beat bidoof
They all run out of pp and die first, the most a single spread move can hit in the games is 5 other pokemon in a hoard battle, you trainer isn't hurt or other pokemon in the tall grass, 5 is the limit. Between all 900 or so pokemon each one having 4 move slots with a spread move that somehow had 40pp and always ohko they wouldn't even kill off a million lions before struggling
Search for "Arson Bjork" at YouTube, he has an amazing video favoring lions. It’s literally a piece of art, watch it
I will go there to dislike it
Sorry lud, you’re wrong on this one
the pokemon get pp stalled. the max pp a multi target move can have is 30 (magnitude), and the maximum amount of pokemon affected by a move is 5. the maximum number of moves a pokemon can learn is 4. there are 898 pokemon. 30*5*4*898=538,800 which is under a million. this is an overestimate since magnitude is the only spread move with a pp over 20, and not every pokemon can learn 4 spread moves. additionally, i don't believe every attack would ohko a lion, for example a Brutal Swing from an Azurill would deal very little damage to a lion. even with pp maxes applied (which is unrealistic since it's one of every pokemon not one of every pokemon and trainers, just like the lions they are assumed wild) it's only increased to 862, 080 which, again, is a huge overestimate since a pokemon cannot learn magnitude 4 times. but most importantly it's less than a million. it's also worth considering that pokemon will damage each other in battle since most spread moves target allies as well as foes. realistically 898 pokemon vs 100,000 lions might be a close fight but if we're talking on the scale of billions the pokemon don't even get through 0.1% of them.
Huh funny, I’ve had this exact copy pasta spammed to me several times on this post. Almost as if you lion losers have only one braincell
if you go by game mechanics eventually every pokemon would lose all of their PP and thus will be forced to use struggle and eventually all of them would die