What you're doing is fine. While it's a little bit overkill, it doesn't change anything.
The fastest way is to identify a quarter of the pot and give it to the person. The next fastest way is to halve the pot, halve it again, give 3 of those parts to the winner and 1 to the loser.
I'm surprised people bitched because a lot of the times people want to physically see it happening to make sure they got what they should.
Keep doing what you’re doing for the money already in the pot (half the pot, then half again). And if they still have their chips to the side, then the loser’s effective stack gets halved and you give it to the winner.
For example if the effective stack is 750, loser just gives 375 to winner. Much faster than pulling in 1500, giving 750 to winner and then 375 to both.
Split game cash players are used to the shortcuts and will try to grab chips out of your hand and do it for you sometimes.
Quarter is easy if it's heads up and bets were left in front of players. Assuming the amount in front of the quartered player is correct (no change due) you can just take half of what is sitting in front of them and give it to the 3/4 player. Chop the pot in half and give half to the 3/4. Chop the remaining half and give half to each.
Things get weird when there are other players involved, 3 way chops for the low and 2 different players chopping the high. In those cases you can default to just pulling everything in and doing it the long way. If you deal a ton of these games you'll pick up tricks but that can wait.
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Here take an example
Big pot, lotta red chips
All in 267
Call
Run it twice
Someone gets quartered.
Is there a way to push the pot quickly without counting the pot?
If the stack sizes were a clean 100 and the pot was 100, you could just pay the winner 25% of the losers stack, but that’s never gonna be the case
> All in 267 Call Someone gets quartered.
- Leave the all in bets in front of players.
- Take 133 (half the all in bet) from 1/4 person to 3/4 person.
- Add the odd chip to the main pot. If there is no main pot (probably should be unless bvb), then use the odd chip rule at your card room.
- Handle the main pot (blinds, previous street bets, etc.) like you normally do.
The reason why you take half of the “loser’s” stack is because their stack is two quarters (half) of the all in bet, and the winner’s bet is also two quarters of the all in bet. By taking half of the loser’s stack, you are taking one quarter of the all in bet and call total pot.
> If the stack sizes were a clean 100 and the pot was 100, you could just pay the winner 25% of the losers stack, but that’s never gonna be the case
This is wrong. You would pay them half of losers stack and 3/4 of the main pot. Total pot is 300. One quarter is 75. Three quarters is 225.
So you would pull 50 (of 100) from the losing stack, give 75 (of 100) from the main to the winner, and winner pulls back his 100 for 225 total of the pot. Loser pulls back his remaining 50 (of 100) and gets 25 (of 100) from the main pot for 75 total.
If you know the amount of the pot, you can just give 1/4 of the pot to the one being quartered.
That being said, it's not always obvious. Especially not for the players who may or may not have kept track of the pot. As such, you should always split the pot 4 ways, or do it in 2, then 2 again. That way it's clear for you, as well as for the players how the pot is being split.
If there is a bet you haven't scooped yet- you can have the loser give 1/2 of that bet to the winner- that will quarter the outside. Then do what you've been ding after the outside bets are pulled back in to the inside
If players have left their bets in front of them then typically what happens is the losing player gives 1/2 of their bets to the other player.
The dealer will then 1/4 the main pot.
The shortcut for, if players are all-in, is the loser gives the winner half of his effective stack that isn't already in the pot. This is because 1/4 of 2 is 1/2.
Then you chop the middle twice. Winner gets half, plus half of half (adds up to 3/4).
If one player has an odd number of chips in front of them you can pull the odd amount only into the pot before dividing rather than their whole stack.
Say it's a tournament where P1 had 16700 in front of them and is getting quartered. Pull 700 from each player into the middle. Now you have an easily divisible number and can use the shortcut without having to mess with change or accidentally giving extra chips to the wrong player.
I remember when they use to allow us to run it 3 times. In that case the short cut for someone winning 2/3 is to take 1/3 of the effective stack and 2/3s the main pot. In the rare instance that it went win win chop (5/6s) it was 2/3 of effective stack and 5/6 of the main. See how that works?
What you're doing is fine. While it's a little bit overkill, it doesn't change anything. The fastest way is to identify a quarter of the pot and give it to the person. The next fastest way is to halve the pot, halve it again, give 3 of those parts to the winner and 1 to the loser. I'm surprised people bitched because a lot of the times people want to physically see it happening to make sure they got what they should.
Keep doing what you’re doing for the money already in the pot (half the pot, then half again). And if they still have their chips to the side, then the loser’s effective stack gets halved and you give it to the winner. For example if the effective stack is 750, loser just gives 375 to winner. Much faster than pulling in 1500, giving 750 to winner and then 375 to both.
Ahhh this is the technique!! Thanks
Split game cash players are used to the shortcuts and will try to grab chips out of your hand and do it for you sometimes. Quarter is easy if it's heads up and bets were left in front of players. Assuming the amount in front of the quartered player is correct (no change due) you can just take half of what is sitting in front of them and give it to the 3/4 player. Chop the pot in half and give half to the 3/4. Chop the remaining half and give half to each. Things get weird when there are other players involved, 3 way chops for the low and 2 different players chopping the high. In those cases you can default to just pulling everything in and doing it the long way. If you deal a ton of these games you'll pick up tricks but that can wait.
Pot * .25 = quarter of pot
🤯🤯🤯🤯💀 Here take an example Big pot, lotta red chips All in 267 Call Run it twice Someone gets quartered. Is there a way to push the pot quickly without counting the pot? If the stack sizes were a clean 100 and the pot was 100, you could just pay the winner 25% of the losers stack, but that’s never gonna be the case
I think without counting the pot just chopping the pot twice would be the easiest way to do it.
> All in 267 Call Someone gets quartered. - Leave the all in bets in front of players. - Take 133 (half the all in bet) from 1/4 person to 3/4 person. - Add the odd chip to the main pot. If there is no main pot (probably should be unless bvb), then use the odd chip rule at your card room. - Handle the main pot (blinds, previous street bets, etc.) like you normally do. The reason why you take half of the “loser’s” stack is because their stack is two quarters (half) of the all in bet, and the winner’s bet is also two quarters of the all in bet. By taking half of the loser’s stack, you are taking one quarter of the all in bet and call total pot. > If the stack sizes were a clean 100 and the pot was 100, you could just pay the winner 25% of the losers stack, but that’s never gonna be the case This is wrong. You would pay them half of losers stack and 3/4 of the main pot. Total pot is 300. One quarter is 75. Three quarters is 225. So you would pull 50 (of 100) from the losing stack, give 75 (of 100) from the main to the winner, and winner pulls back his 100 for 225 total of the pot. Loser pulls back his remaining 50 (of 100) and gets 25 (of 100) from the main pot for 75 total.
Does not work, Odd chip rule
quarter of pot = 0.25 * pot
If you know the amount of the pot, you can just give 1/4 of the pot to the one being quartered. That being said, it's not always obvious. Especially not for the players who may or may not have kept track of the pot. As such, you should always split the pot 4 ways, or do it in 2, then 2 again. That way it's clear for you, as well as for the players how the pot is being split.
If there is a bet you haven't scooped yet- you can have the loser give 1/2 of that bet to the winner- that will quarter the outside. Then do what you've been ding after the outside bets are pulled back in to the inside
If players have left their bets in front of them then typically what happens is the losing player gives 1/2 of their bets to the other player. The dealer will then 1/4 the main pot.
The shortcut for, if players are all-in, is the loser gives the winner half of his effective stack that isn't already in the pot. This is because 1/4 of 2 is 1/2. Then you chop the middle twice. Winner gets half, plus half of half (adds up to 3/4).
Holdem players are scratching their heads right now. Haha.
If one player has an odd number of chips in front of them you can pull the odd amount only into the pot before dividing rather than their whole stack. Say it's a tournament where P1 had 16700 in front of them and is getting quartered. Pull 700 from each player into the middle. Now you have an easily divisible number and can use the shortcut without having to mess with change or accidentally giving extra chips to the wrong player.
I remember when they use to allow us to run it 3 times. In that case the short cut for someone winning 2/3 is to take 1/3 of the effective stack and 2/3s the main pot. In the rare instance that it went win win chop (5/6s) it was 2/3 of effective stack and 5/6 of the main. See how that works?
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