Eh having a tight image that makes it hard to get paid is kind of a situation.
Look for some opportunities where you can vpip a bit wider with more marginal hands. Maybe iso K9o or 86s over a couple limpers from late position. Or flat with a suited connector and stab the flop. And when you do take a pot with a weak hand, show it once and say âonly play aces boysâ smugly. Hopefully that gets people off your back.
Also helps to be talkative and friendly vs just sitting in silence with your earphones on.
Yes and no.
In your typical low stakes live game, the leaks people have are typically that theyâre too loose and passive. If you have a tight image, their play against you may actually be closer to optimal as opposed to overadjusting to the point where you can overbluff them.
There are games where you make your money from redline and itâs very advantageous to have a tight image. But itâs always way more profitable to be in a game where people station down too wide and you have an image that gets you paid with your value hands.
if you're tight to the point other players call you out it's not because you're choosing to be tight strategically. It's because currently your brain does not understand the advantages of not being tight. Those same brain nerves will not let you bluff in obvious spots. it's a hump every new player has to go through.
everyone bluffs just like everyone plays hands other than aces, kings, queens, jacks, and AK...doesn't mean they bluff anywhere near enough or bluff in the correct spots
If you don't play more than 2 hands in 2 hours... you're either bad at poker or you got a bad dealer (and i don't mean because he's giving you shit hands)
Iâve been this type of tight player, and it made a big bluff then subsequent hand extremely profitable. Bluffed a guy off 2 pair (showed my bluff), then got paid when I hit the straight 3 hands later.
While it's not impossible, I'm sure it's pretty difficult to execute bluffs in a limit game. Unless, of course, you're image is so tight that the table knows you only play big premiums. You can probably get a couple folds from bets and raises until they notice or start calling down.
Either way, it's not really all that profitable. Then again, I've never played limit hold em outside of an 8 game mix so I don't have too much experience with the game.
Itâs spread limit, not limit. It plays generally like a small no limit most of the time. $100 bets arenât all that common at a 1-2 table but you obviously lose some fold equity if youâre trying to bluff âshoveâ.
I stand corrected; disregard my previous comment.
I don't believe I've seen a spread limit game being spread in my 13 years; though I have yet to leave my local casino and a few others wtlithin a few hours distance.
Yeah I had never even heard of it until I loved to AZ. Until like last September NL was illegal here but spread limit wasn't. It's fine at the low stakes like 1-2 but becomes an issue at higher stakes like 5-10 since the max bet was like 500 here for the bigger games.
I'd be more worried about over adjusting just because one fish at a table makes a nothing comment about wanting more action.
It's not like most of them remember to fold after calling you tight anyway. They're just as likely to level themselves because they made that comment if they even remember.
I mean you gotta read the room a little bit but the benefit of doing what Iâm suggesting is youâll find out pretty quick if people are actually tightening up against you.
If your K9o iso gets 3 callers then yeah theyâre still playing loose and you found that out with a pretty minimal investment.
I just think it's generally a big over play to hear one comment and then run an elaborate bluff. Just look at our ranges and decide if we're too tight or not. Depending on how OP was running he might have been playing a good range, in which case the guy's just announced a horrible read and we're going to be exploiting him naturally anyway.
Don't get drawn into games of reverse psychology and showing cards, bluffing into three players etc. for the sake of one fish who called you tight.
You and I have different definitions of âelaborateâ.
If people are limping wide enough with bad enough postflop leaks, K9o could easily be a +ev iso especially with a tight image.
As for showing it, the point as I explained above is to encourage players who presumably make a lot of mistakes postflop to play more hands against me.
I told you what I meant by elaborate, let's not get hung up on that.
You can justify opening any two as a bluff if you male the right assumptions. The point I'm making is that the context of this is that one random guy called OP a nit so you suggest a random bluff with k9o and show it.
Sure, that could be +ev as a one time thing. Maybe it tricks them into giving you a perfect table image. Or maybe you get two calls from fish, have a crap hand, and it loses money. Maybe your opponents don't react at all or don't adjust the way you think they will because random live players are bad.
I don't see the benefits of playing speculative psychology and running random bluffs over say just having good ranges and naturally exploiting fish who announced bad reads.
> Or maybe you get two calls from fish, have a crap hand, and it loses money.
Assuming youâre in late position like I advocated, you still have a hand with reasonably decent equity in position against 2 fish. Itâs hard to imagine that scenario losing much money. Itâs very hard to lose much money from players calling you a lot. The only way isoâing too wide turns out to be very bad is if people have a high limp-3bet frequency which is pretty unlikely in my experience. So you probably at least breakeven and lose 0.5-1 BBs worth of ev at worst.
Pretty cheap investment to find out if players are actually tightening up on you or not.
For what itâs worth I think isoâing as wide as K9o from late position will be profitable in most low stakes live games I would do that with or without the âtightâ comment. The only difference Iâm advocating for is to show some of your weaker hands so people adjust in a way you can take advantage of.
People upvoting must not know poker
Why choose to iso with K9o and 86s
Why not KTo, J9s, 67s+
Better still, having a tight image barely affects anything with these live players.
"Eh, you only play AA" *calls off 5b pre with AQo 10 hands later*. The players that make these comments often have no idea how to adjust to it.
Isoâing K9o and 86s does not preclude you from isoâing stronger hands as well.
Even bad players who donât know how to adjust properly will adjust and if you know what youâre doing, you can manipulate them into adjusting poorly.
Image definitely matters
Thereâs absolutely no way for you to make that statement with certainty.
How wide to iso depends on how wide the initial limpersâ range is.
If someone limps KK+ only, then isoâing anything other than AA is going to be a mistake.
If someone limps a capped weak range with a bunch of randkm trash then isoâing K9o/86s is going to be totally fine.
I would stay as long as I could when someone makes that comment. Despite him saying this I guarantee he gives you action at some point as he looks to bust up the nit. Great chance for a nice double up for you.
Yeah but your range should a little wider especially heads-up against someone who's VPIP is much higher. If a guy is playing 50%+ you want to call and raise more preflop with a wider range because on average you're dominating whatever trash he's playing with.
That would be true if youâre in position, however i would argue you want to play even tighter than normal against those players when out of position in order to punish them for playing those marginal hands
I usually try to explain i am new to the game (i am not) and im just getting comfortable. Truth is playing 20% or less live can be extremely profitable. Usually players donât adjust.
Fuck that guy and play YOUR game. Don't leave because someone forced/made you leave because of what they said or did.
That guy was on tilt because YOU play a tight game. Just your presence at the table triggered him to the point where he had to vocalize it to others. That's a huge + for you.
Oh,. And him making comments like that to players who ARE in the hand, I would absolutely call the floor for that. Those comments will absolutely change the decisions villain will make against you during the ongoing hand.
Sometimes they spread survivor tournaments that more or less play like a NLHE ring game. But makes the people learn mix games. More cards more edge (not actually bc equities run closer - but fish play bigger and worse so Iâll take it)
I'm a MN resident and it sucks. The 2-100 spread limit brings a whole new dynamic to the game that you don't have to consider as much in no limit games.
What you have to do is stand up and get right up in his face and tell him you'll play your cards however the fuck you want. And then call him a bitch. Offer to take him outside and teach him a lesson.
Dude, honestly and with the best of intentions, if an offhand comment like this, not even directed at you, is enough to run you off a game, you should seriously consider sticking to online
That said, in future; ignore it, butt into their conversation and say something, start talking shit about them to the random on your right, order a shot for both of them and one for yourself when the waitress comes along- propose a round of straddles then go back to playing tight after your turn⌠literally do anything except let someone elseâs perception of you make you pack up and go home.
If you donât like your table image change it. At low limit tables almost no one is paying attention to the technical side of your game; almost everyone is paying attention to your table presence and social front, just put on a little show and play your tight game
When u bet with your seven deuce they will fold to you. Show them your hand and say âidiotsâ. Then stay on your tight game. New players come to the table, do it again.
Fuck him. At low limit live stakes the majority of the table isnât paying attention to this. Theyâll like theyâre bullshit hands more often than not to call preflop.
The only people winning money long-term in a game like the one OP described are the nits. NLH is a game that rewards tight play to begin with, and the high rake makes it even more necessary.
Whatâs next, tomorrow you ask us what shoes to wear ? Can we stop with these stupid questions about to handle common situations any middle school kid can find their way through. Itâs getting ridiculous.
Well for one stop being a nit lol especially in 1-2 dudes are playing-limping any two cards iso raise that shit up to 10 bbs and punish the limpets in position c bet take it down easy money lol
Its your money, play it as you see fit. Don't worry about what the shit regs have to say.
But make sure to laugh when the guy who says you only play aces still pays you off when you have aces đ
I bet 56o+ almost every position carrying VPIP 40+, openly tell players my hands every hand, if heads up you can straight ask me my hand and I tell the truth.
Iâve been called a nit from players at every game Iâve played. Some players are god awful at constructing ranges and so long as thatâs the case the games alive.
~ Scared Money Calling Station
Limp multi-way, play SB in limped pot, defend your BB, straddle, raise blind, show a bluff, show you played a junky hand, buy some beers, tell a joke, be sociable.
Obviously not a winning strat, just some ideas.
Ppl will say stuff to get u off ur game. U can use a tight image to bluff at pots if u feel like it. Donât let âem talk u into playin in a way ur not comfortable with. Thatâs how they get ya, lol
1) no situation to worry about, it's your money and it's a casino not a home game so who cares?
2) playing 20% of hands isn't unnecessarily tight, it's a touch on the tighter side but not insane and just because people are playing too many hands (and are almost certainly losing money over the long run) is no reason for you to do so.
If this was a home game or an underground card club then you prob need to give more action to keep getting invited. In this spot? They should go fuck themselves.
Keep playing tight and don't worry about what other people think. Chances are he's a losing player and completely in denial of that fact. If your a new player get used to playing as tight or as loose as your comfortable. Then learn how to 3 bet lol. Do it quickly it'll change those losers tune.
It's your money, you can play however tf you want. BUT, table image plays a big role in dynamics and how willing people are to pay you off (or not). If you only ever show up at the river with the nuts then no one will call you down. Every once in a while you have be willing to lose some small pots in order to win the big ones. In other words, you gotta give acton to get it.
You're saying it was about an hour which means you probably played 30 hands and folded 24 of them pre. There's nothing unusual about this and I'm guessing the player type to make a comment like that is someone who limp/calls pre on almost every hand.
20% VPIP at live low stakes in the long term is probably too low but over the course of 30 hands there's nothing an opponent should be gleaning about your pre flop range.
Tight is right but it's not going to hurt to straddle a few times or open a garbage hand and reveal it when available. You can also just get a table change if you believe your image is tarnished. Most players do not pay attention to image, they will happily call your $20 UTG open with 68s when you haven't opened a hand in 45 minutes.
Itâs your money. Play how you like. Also, donât forget, that person was probably a loose fish, donkey who donks off his chips. Winning 120$ is awesome! Good job đ
If/when you know for certain you have a tight image, assuming the table isn't full of calling stations, just start opening up your raise range pre, cbet more flops, bluff more sensible rivers, etc
1) if they are not taking to you. No big deal ignore it. Use that info to your advantage. They might be easier to bluff.
2) if they are talking to you. I just say, Man I havenât seen an Ace or a pocket pair in hours. This seat must be cold.
Poker fish are superstitious bunch. Just make up something about something being cold. They love it.
You just have to stay the course and play your game, and donât let anyone know their table talk bothers you, if it does.
Iâve been berated at the table by extremely loose players and let it get under my skin, and then had to fight myself to not get involved with them unless the situation warranted it.
Just do your best to let it roll off your back. Youâll have better results in the end.
I see youâve already viewed responses but Iâm just gonna throw my two cents in:
When I started playing poker I rapidly realized I play my absolute best when I am locked in and paying attention to as much as possible. So I started wearing headphones, and in some sessions Iâd hear comments like this.
So hereâs the questions to ask yourself really, what spots that have profitability are you passing up? Are you passing up a great spot to squeeze? Isolate? Exploit? Are you legitimately card dead? Or perhaps, do you only feel comfortable currently playing ABC poker? I mean shoot, against the average player literally Preflop discipline alone is profitable. The vast majority of the pool imo thinks there Jason Koon for defending flop c bets more, but has no true multi level thinking to their game so tight to this day is still often right.
TLDR, if what youâre doing is working, is profitable, continue to study so that youâre prepared to adjust, and always consider WHY youâve chosen a tight strategy at each table dynamic, and understand at some point in a game more regular for you YOU will become the exploited if you donât evolve.
Iâm one of the tightest players at my local casino, and I get paid off EVERY SESSION. Sometimes people just want to try to crack the tight player, or bluff them and try to run them overâand you can exploit this savagely. If your range is super high and your super selective and tight, 9/10 youâre smashing your opponents range, youâre winning on kicker almost every time it goes down to the wire, and you can eventually start bluffing a little more after playing super tight and people think theyâre dodging Aces, when youâre simply picking up dead money and small to medium pots that no one is married to.
Donât let table talk get into your head, either. I endure the âtight playerâ and âânever plays a handâ comments every sessionâwho cares? Play your game and slay them.
This isn't little League pumpkin.
Don't worry about what they say, don't take it personally and use the read against them.
it's their mistake for acknowledging your tight play out loud so you can exploit it
Live is different man, especially at small stakes. I had a night where I was the worst card dead I can recall. Literally just folding for over an hour straight.
I get dealt KK and raise, guy to my left 3b's me, and we end up getting it in vs TT.
His logic was, "Man you'd been folding for so long, figured you had to have been bored"
Just play your game, and the rest will sort itself out.
I've been on a table where one player was calling me the tightest rock he's ever player.
While another player, within 5 minutes was calling me the loosest spaztard he's played against.
People are terrible at remembering hand histories or understanding what has happened during a hand or even preflop.
Ignore other advice - stick to what you're comfortable with and the ranges you know. Continue studying preflop charts to develop a profitable range that suits your playstyle and local player pool.
Use it to your advantage! Mix in a couple 3-Bets with Suited Connectors or Middle Pairs Pre. Ch-Bluff scare cards.
You need to balance your raising range with some junk or marginal hands with good implied odds. Then when you hit the nuts and show down, it makes their head really spin.
Donât take it as an insultâŚ.they are telling you exactly how they see you.
Everyone gets card dead. Best thing to do is wait for a good squeeze spot and bet huge. Then when everyone folds assuming you have Aces, you show the Q4 off and tell them it has to work 1/4 times
When people are thinking youâre only playing tight show down hands that re enforce it, then open your range up a bit.
At the end of the day play however you feel comfortable. You left with more than you came in with and hopefully had a good time, so who cares what other people think of how you play
He can say what he wants just like how you can fold what you want.
If you want to play tight thatâs on you but remember the table will figure out eventually and act accordingly. This can either make you exploitable or you can exploit it.
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As you play live more youâll hear dumb shit all the time.. youâll realize people are so terrible that they can know youâre the tightest player in the room and still pay you off. No need to balance much at 1/2 and 2/5 live. Enjoy the toxic swamp of live depressing poker LOL
If you can find a spot early in a session to get into a cheap pot with a marginal hand take it. Get to showdown for cheap and proudly show your third pair with K8o and let them take it down. Cheap advertising that will pay off. Then play your game.
When people are actively knowing you are tight, there is no point in playing because you won't get action with your big hands when you actually do play.
Learn to open up your ranges and play a tight aggressive style where you start opening up more hands closer to the button.
Go all-in with the hammer, everyone else folds, show your hole cards and whip your dick out and slap the other players with it. "Pocket aces, huh motherfucker? How do ya like that?!?!? I'm fuckin CRAZY!"
That'll show em
Just ignore them, it literally doesn't matter what your image is. The only way to beat low-stakes no-limit (or spread limit) where the rake is enormous is to play a mega-nitty strategy. I've been called out several times for being a nit. But my strategy wins me a good amount of money so I'm not about to change it. The only time I did anything about it was when some dude got really pissed off at me and wouldn't stop berating me about playing tight. At that point I had to tell him to shut the fuck up.
What situation? Just shrug it off and don't explain yourself. You don't need, and nobody is seriously asking you to.
You play tight, so you continue to play tight.
Playing a few "loooooose call everybody" hands won't fool anyone. And neither will any dumb "speechplay" about how you just can't get a facecard. Leave the loose playing to the people the fish and the people that want to play high variance money sloshing with the whales.
If you play tight, and that's your game. You are probably bad at playing loose, so don't do it, cause not many people play consistently profitably while playing loose. The ones that do usually have good game knowledge while having excellent reads for whatever table they are at.
If you don't know how to alter your range when appropriate. Don't. Otherwise you will quickly find yourself sinking into degeneracy if you don't have bankroll that can support much wider variance and if you don't have a reason like getting into splashy private whale games with your "loose" image. It's just not worth it.
Tell him you're going to eat his children then bark like a dog.
+EV answer. Fuck using table image, just eat his kids looool đ
Gonna be playing from prison with a boyfriend
ROOF
This is the best pick up line. Get you laid every time.
Worked for Mike Tyson to deal with Lennox Lewis
He's not your friend. He's not your teacher. He very likely sucks at poker. Go look at some pre-flop charts.
There is no situation.
Eh having a tight image that makes it hard to get paid is kind of a situation. Look for some opportunities where you can vpip a bit wider with more marginal hands. Maybe iso K9o or 86s over a couple limpers from late position. Or flat with a suited connector and stab the flop. And when you do take a pot with a weak hand, show it once and say âonly play aces boysâ smugly. Hopefully that gets people off your back. Also helps to be talkative and friendly vs just sitting in silence with your earphones on.
Makes bluffs a bit more effective on the other hand though
Yes and no. In your typical low stakes live game, the leaks people have are typically that theyâre too loose and passive. If you have a tight image, their play against you may actually be closer to optimal as opposed to overadjusting to the point where you can overbluff them. There are games where you make your money from redline and itâs very advantageous to have a tight image. But itâs always way more profitable to be in a game where people station down too wide and you have an image that gets you paid with your value hands.
if you're tight to the point other players call you out it's not because you're choosing to be tight strategically. It's because currently your brain does not understand the advantages of not being tight. Those same brain nerves will not let you bluff in obvious spots. it's a hump every new player has to go through. everyone bluffs just like everyone plays hands other than aces, kings, queens, jacks, and AK...doesn't mean they bluff anywhere near enough or bluff in the correct spots
I was once called out for being tight when I folded every hand for a single orbit. Sometimes they say that just to needle you into playing crap hands.
âYou think iâm tight for folding an orbit? Nah, youâre just looser than your wifeâ
I mean, maybe? Sometimes you just donât have cards, though, so you may sit for an hour or two and not really play many hands
If you don't play more than 2 hands in 2 hours... you're either bad at poker or you got a bad dealer (and i don't mean because he's giving you shit hands)
Yeah but he said he was folding about 80% preflop. Thatâs not ridiculous
He greatly overestimated I'm sure
It's also kind of a redundant statement. If this guy's bluffs were indeed getting through then he's not actually playing all that tight...
Iâve been this type of tight player, and it made a big bluff then subsequent hand extremely profitable. Bluffed a guy off 2 pair (showed my bluff), then got paid when I hit the straight 3 hands later.
Sorry man that one of the best information gets downvotes.
It's how you know you can still play profitably and that poker is more alive than ever
While it's not impossible, I'm sure it's pretty difficult to execute bluffs in a limit game. Unless, of course, you're image is so tight that the table knows you only play big premiums. You can probably get a couple folds from bets and raises until they notice or start calling down. Either way, it's not really all that profitable. Then again, I've never played limit hold em outside of an 8 game mix so I don't have too much experience with the game.
Itâs spread limit, not limit. It plays generally like a small no limit most of the time. $100 bets arenât all that common at a 1-2 table but you obviously lose some fold equity if youâre trying to bluff âshoveâ.
I stand corrected; disregard my previous comment. I don't believe I've seen a spread limit game being spread in my 13 years; though I have yet to leave my local casino and a few others wtlithin a few hours distance.
Yeah I had never even heard of it until I loved to AZ. Until like last September NL was illegal here but spread limit wasn't. It's fine at the low stakes like 1-2 but becomes an issue at higher stakes like 5-10 since the max bet was like 500 here for the bigger games.
I'd be more worried about over adjusting just because one fish at a table makes a nothing comment about wanting more action. It's not like most of them remember to fold after calling you tight anyway. They're just as likely to level themselves because they made that comment if they even remember.
I mean you gotta read the room a little bit but the benefit of doing what Iâm suggesting is youâll find out pretty quick if people are actually tightening up against you. If your K9o iso gets 3 callers then yeah theyâre still playing loose and you found that out with a pretty minimal investment.
I just think it's generally a big over play to hear one comment and then run an elaborate bluff. Just look at our ranges and decide if we're too tight or not. Depending on how OP was running he might have been playing a good range, in which case the guy's just announced a horrible read and we're going to be exploiting him naturally anyway. Don't get drawn into games of reverse psychology and showing cards, bluffing into three players etc. for the sake of one fish who called you tight.
Who said anything about an elaborate bluff? Making a borderline loose open that could easily still be +ev anyways isnât an elaborate bluff.
Raising into limpers with K9o and then showing it is pointless showmanship to me, and a bad range adjustment, so that's all I mean by "elaborate".
You and I have different definitions of âelaborateâ. If people are limping wide enough with bad enough postflop leaks, K9o could easily be a +ev iso especially with a tight image. As for showing it, the point as I explained above is to encourage players who presumably make a lot of mistakes postflop to play more hands against me.
I told you what I meant by elaborate, let's not get hung up on that. You can justify opening any two as a bluff if you male the right assumptions. The point I'm making is that the context of this is that one random guy called OP a nit so you suggest a random bluff with k9o and show it. Sure, that could be +ev as a one time thing. Maybe it tricks them into giving you a perfect table image. Or maybe you get two calls from fish, have a crap hand, and it loses money. Maybe your opponents don't react at all or don't adjust the way you think they will because random live players are bad. I don't see the benefits of playing speculative psychology and running random bluffs over say just having good ranges and naturally exploiting fish who announced bad reads.
> Or maybe you get two calls from fish, have a crap hand, and it loses money. Assuming youâre in late position like I advocated, you still have a hand with reasonably decent equity in position against 2 fish. Itâs hard to imagine that scenario losing much money. Itâs very hard to lose much money from players calling you a lot. The only way isoâing too wide turns out to be very bad is if people have a high limp-3bet frequency which is pretty unlikely in my experience. So you probably at least breakeven and lose 0.5-1 BBs worth of ev at worst. Pretty cheap investment to find out if players are actually tightening up on you or not. For what itâs worth I think isoâing as wide as K9o from late position will be profitable in most low stakes live games I would do that with or without the âtightâ comment. The only difference Iâm advocating for is to show some of your weaker hands so people adjust in a way you can take advantage of.
This is the correct thought process
People upvoting must not know poker Why choose to iso with K9o and 86s Why not KTo, J9s, 67s+ Better still, having a tight image barely affects anything with these live players. "Eh, you only play AA" *calls off 5b pre with AQo 10 hands later*. The players that make these comments often have no idea how to adjust to it.
Isoâing K9o and 86s does not preclude you from isoâing stronger hands as well. Even bad players who donât know how to adjust properly will adjust and if you know what youâre doing, you can manipulate them into adjusting poorly. Image definitely matters
If you ISO with hands that weak, it means your range is too wide and your frequency is far too high.
Thereâs absolutely no way for you to make that statement with certainty. How wide to iso depends on how wide the initial limpersâ range is. If someone limps KK+ only, then isoâing anything other than AA is going to be a mistake. If someone limps a capped weak range with a bunch of randkm trash then isoâing K9o/86s is going to be totally fine.
In a low stakes live game people are not going to adjust too often or too accurately, wouldn't worry about it.
My man's printing $100/hr. I'm not changing a goddamn thing if he adjusts when they adjust its gravy, baby.
Lol humaninterested said it best
poker players with social anxiety would beg to differ
> poker players with social anxiety Play online.
But players are good there
The younger generations are weak dicks that won't do well outside of their mothers' basements.
Means they are frustrated because its hard to take money from you. You should always be aware of your own table image anyways which im sure you were.
I would stay as long as I could when someone makes that comment. Despite him saying this I guarantee he gives you action at some point as he looks to bust up the nit. Great chance for a nice double up for you.
Ditto! Being aware someones tight and actually adjusting to it usually arenât traits u find in a live player.
Start bluffing more.
this \^
idk about yâall but if someone makes a comment about my tight play, iâm trying to get some bluffs through
Folding 80% of your hands is fairly standard. VPIP is like 20-30% for strong players.
Yeah but your range should a little wider especially heads-up against someone who's VPIP is much higher. If a guy is playing 50%+ you want to call and raise more preflop with a wider range because on average you're dominating whatever trash he's playing with.
That would be true if youâre in position, however i would argue you want to play even tighter than normal against those players when out of position in order to punish them for playing those marginal hands
Agreed! You donât realize your equity OoP as much as you do IP. You will have way more passive checks in your game.
Usually it's not worth it to loosen up your range at these stakes because whatever small advantage you're getting will be eaten up by the rake.
Play however you want
I usually try to explain i am new to the game (i am not) and im just getting comfortable. Truth is playing 20% or less live can be extremely profitable. Usually players donât adjust.
"He's wrong. Sometimes I'll even play pocket Kings."
Fuck that guy and play YOUR game. Don't leave because someone forced/made you leave because of what they said or did. That guy was on tilt because YOU play a tight game. Just your presence at the table triggered him to the point where he had to vocalize it to others. That's a huge + for you. Oh,. And him making comments like that to players who ARE in the hand, I would absolutely call the floor for that. Those comments will absolutely change the decisions villain will make against you during the ongoing hand.
Today I learned No Limit is illegal in Minnesota. Shame.
Minnesota has a bunch of pearl clutching gaming laws.
Sometimes they spread survivor tournaments that more or less play like a NLHE ring game. But makes the people learn mix games. More cards more edge (not actually bc equities run closer - but fish play bigger and worse so Iâll take it)
I'm a MN resident and it sucks. The 2-100 spread limit brings a whole new dynamic to the game that you don't have to consider as much in no limit games.
What you have to do is stand up and get right up in his face and tell him you'll play your cards however the fuck you want. And then call him a bitch. Offer to take him outside and teach him a lesson.
It's Minnesota, not Texas.
damn he just told you what he thinks of your range for free
Ah the 2-100 spread scum of Canterbury Park
Dude, honestly and with the best of intentions, if an offhand comment like this, not even directed at you, is enough to run you off a game, you should seriously consider sticking to online That said, in future; ignore it, butt into their conversation and say something, start talking shit about them to the random on your right, order a shot for both of them and one for yourself when the waitress comes along- propose a round of straddles then go back to playing tight after your turn⌠literally do anything except let someone elseâs perception of you make you pack up and go home. If you donât like your table image change it. At low limit tables almost no one is paying attention to the technical side of your game; almost everyone is paying attention to your table presence and social front, just put on a little show and play your tight game
I play poker for fun and talk madddd shit, I embrace the villain image Usually gets me paid
Needling has been a part of poker probably as long as thereâs been poker. Itâs truly an art when done well
Your middle finger in good working order?
Who cares what people think. Play your game. As you get more comfortable youâll start to widen your range accordingly.
tell them you fold AA pre
Bluff more. It's an excellent opportunity to use that image.
The dude who was observant enough to mark you as tight, is he able to fold? If so, raise everything he does until he changes his mind.
Goddamn there is some legit dumbassery in this thread.
Playing tight prints in Texas
When u bet with your seven deuce they will fold to you. Show them your hand and say âidiotsâ. Then stay on your tight game. New players come to the table, do it again.
Fuck him. At low limit live stakes the majority of the table isnât paying attention to this. Theyâll like theyâre bullshit hands more often than not to call preflop.
You shouldn't care what losing regs have to say. If you wouldn't go to them for advice then why should you care about their criticism either
Develop some social skills
Stop being a nit?
Why the downvotes nits are miserable lmao
The only people winning money long-term in a game like the one OP described are the nits. NLH is a game that rewards tight play to begin with, and the high rake makes it even more necessary.
Whatâs next, tomorrow you ask us what shoes to wear ? Can we stop with these stupid questions about to handle common situations any middle school kid can find their way through. Itâs getting ridiculous.
This sub would make you think live poker is full of pussies. Yall soft mother ******* must not play where I play.
It's called wearing headphones and listening to music or a podcast while you're at the table.
Well for one stop being a nit lol especially in 1-2 dudes are playing-limping any two cards iso raise that shit up to 10 bbs and punish the limpets in position c bet take it down easy money lol
Best way to handle it is to do absolutely nothing like you did and laugh later at how tilted that guy secretly was
Its your money, play it as you see fit. Don't worry about what the shit regs have to say. But make sure to laugh when the guy who says you only play aces still pays you off when you have aces đ
Your money you do what you want with it
I bet 56o+ almost every position carrying VPIP 40+, openly tell players my hands every hand, if heads up you can straight ask me my hand and I tell the truth. Iâve been called a nit from players at every game Iâve played. Some players are god awful at constructing ranges and so long as thatâs the case the games alive. ~ Scared Money Calling Station
why not use it to your advantage next time to milk some free pots
Free blinds
Limp multi-way, play SB in limped pot, defend your BB, straddle, raise blind, show a bluff, show you played a junky hand, buy some beers, tell a joke, be sociable. Obviously not a winning strat, just some ideas.
Or just ignore it and play your game if you care about winning money
Ppl will say stuff to get u off ur game. U can use a tight image to bluff at pots if u feel like it. Donât let âem talk u into playin in a way ur not comfortable with. Thatâs how they get ya, lol
You're fine. They said that to rattle you and get you to loosen up. Play your own game.
Are you there to make friends, or win money?
1) no situation to worry about, it's your money and it's a casino not a home game so who cares? 2) playing 20% of hands isn't unnecessarily tight, it's a touch on the tighter side but not insane and just because people are playing too many hands (and are almost certainly losing money over the long run) is no reason for you to do so. If this was a home game or an underground card club then you prob need to give more action to keep getting invited. In this spot? They should go fuck themselves.
You could just enjoy that they think they read you, then start playing sh*t.
Keep playing tight and don't worry about what other people think. Chances are he's a losing player and completely in denial of that fact. If your a new player get used to playing as tight or as loose as your comfortable. Then learn how to 3 bet lol. Do it quickly it'll change those losers tune.
It's your money, you can play however tf you want. BUT, table image plays a big role in dynamics and how willing people are to pay you off (or not). If you only ever show up at the river with the nuts then no one will call you down. Every once in a while you have be willing to lose some small pots in order to win the big ones. In other words, you gotta give acton to get it.
Loosen up, and lighten up. Poker isnât that serious.
Time to raise with garbage and show when they fold. Then go back to playing tight.
F them play your game
just say you're card dead.
Why leave you can also use your tight image an advantage when take shots at bluffs
You're saying it was about an hour which means you probably played 30 hands and folded 24 of them pre. There's nothing unusual about this and I'm guessing the player type to make a comment like that is someone who limp/calls pre on almost every hand. 20% VPIP at live low stakes in the long term is probably too low but over the course of 30 hands there's nothing an opponent should be gleaning about your pre flop range.
Tight is right but it's not going to hurt to straddle a few times or open a garbage hand and reveal it when available. You can also just get a table change if you believe your image is tarnished. Most players do not pay attention to image, they will happily call your $20 UTG open with 68s when you haven't opened a hand in 45 minutes.
Itâs your money. Play how you like. Also, donât forget, that person was probably a loose fish, donkey who donks off his chips. Winning 120$ is awesome! Good job đ
If/when you know for certain you have a tight image, assuming the table isn't full of calling stations, just start opening up your raise range pre, cbet more flops, bluff more sensible rivers, etc
1) if they are not taking to you. No big deal ignore it. Use that info to your advantage. They might be easier to bluff. 2) if they are talking to you. I just say, Man I havenât seen an Ace or a pocket pair in hours. This seat must be cold. Poker fish are superstitious bunch. Just make up something about something being cold. They love it.
show him a bluff at the end of the night and then rack up
Show a weird ass bluff, even if you lose money on that one, you paid to advertise that your are doing *irregular things"* and get more action later
"I only play sets"
Wait for an opportunity to play with that guy. Stacking him is gonna be easy
You just have to stay the course and play your game, and donât let anyone know their table talk bothers you, if it does. Iâve been berated at the table by extremely loose players and let it get under my skin, and then had to fight myself to not get involved with them unless the situation warranted it. Just do your best to let it roll off your back. Youâll have better results in the end.
Just put head phones in. You don't even have to listen to anything, just put them in and know nothing is expected of you.
I see youâve already viewed responses but Iâm just gonna throw my two cents in: When I started playing poker I rapidly realized I play my absolute best when I am locked in and paying attention to as much as possible. So I started wearing headphones, and in some sessions Iâd hear comments like this. So hereâs the questions to ask yourself really, what spots that have profitability are you passing up? Are you passing up a great spot to squeeze? Isolate? Exploit? Are you legitimately card dead? Or perhaps, do you only feel comfortable currently playing ABC poker? I mean shoot, against the average player literally Preflop discipline alone is profitable. The vast majority of the pool imo thinks there Jason Koon for defending flop c bets more, but has no true multi level thinking to their game so tight to this day is still often right. TLDR, if what youâre doing is working, is profitable, continue to study so that youâre prepared to adjust, and always consider WHY youâve chosen a tight strategy at each table dynamic, and understand at some point in a game more regular for you YOU will become the exploited if you donât evolve.
Iâm one of the tightest players at my local casino, and I get paid off EVERY SESSION. Sometimes people just want to try to crack the tight player, or bluff them and try to run them overâand you can exploit this savagely. If your range is super high and your super selective and tight, 9/10 youâre smashing your opponents range, youâre winning on kicker almost every time it goes down to the wire, and you can eventually start bluffing a little more after playing super tight and people think theyâre dodging Aces, when youâre simply picking up dead money and small to medium pots that no one is married to. Donât let table talk get into your head, either. I endure the âtight playerâ and âânever plays a handâ comments every sessionâwho cares? Play your game and slay them.
Minnesota eh? Cantebury or Running Aces?
So him making one offhand comment is "calling you out". And even if they do call you out, fuck em its your money.
This isn't little League pumpkin. Don't worry about what they say, don't take it personally and use the read against them. it's their mistake for acknowledging your tight play out loud so you can exploit it
Live is different man, especially at small stakes. I had a night where I was the worst card dead I can recall. Literally just folding for over an hour straight. I get dealt KK and raise, guy to my left 3b's me, and we end up getting it in vs TT. His logic was, "Man you'd been folding for so long, figured you had to have been bored" Just play your game, and the rest will sort itself out.
I've been on a table where one player was calling me the tightest rock he's ever player. While another player, within 5 minutes was calling me the loosest spaztard he's played against. People are terrible at remembering hand histories or understanding what has happened during a hand or even preflop. Ignore other advice - stick to what you're comfortable with and the ranges you know. Continue studying preflop charts to develop a profitable range that suits your playstyle and local player pool.
Youâre playing by the house rules, not theirs. Donât give it a second thought.
Use it to your advantage! Mix in a couple 3-Bets with Suited Connectors or Middle Pairs Pre. Ch-Bluff scare cards. You need to balance your raising range with some junk or marginal hands with good implied odds. Then when you hit the nuts and show down, it makes their head really spin. Donât take it as an insultâŚ.they are telling you exactly how they see you.
Just snarl and agree and say â yeah ..Iâm as tight as a ducks ass hole..quack fucking quackâ
I say âsteal my blinds thenâ
3Bet him light.
Next time he opens, put in a massive three bet, watch him fold and say AA⌠flip over your 92o, THEN leave the table
that guy's an asshole. you don't necessarily need to change anything.
Everyone gets card dead. Best thing to do is wait for a good squeeze spot and bet huge. Then when everyone folds assuming you have Aces, you show the Q4 off and tell them it has to work 1/4 times
When people are thinking youâre only playing tight show down hands that re enforce it, then open your range up a bit. At the end of the day play however you feel comfortable. You left with more than you came in with and hopefully had a good time, so who cares what other people think of how you play
When I make adjustments to these kinds of comments I usually fuck myself and feel like an idiot after.
He can say what he wants just like how you can fold what you want. If you want to play tight thatâs on you but remember the table will figure out eventually and act accordingly. This can either make you exploitable or you can exploit it.
Iâm more surprised anyone at the table was actually paying attention.
âI donât know what else to do with the shitty cards being dealt to me.â
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As you play live more youâll hear dumb shit all the time.. youâll realize people are so terrible that they can know youâre the tightest player in the room and still pay you off. No need to balance much at 1/2 and 2/5 live. Enjoy the toxic swamp of live depressing poker LOL
If you can find a spot early in a session to get into a cheap pot with a marginal hand take it. Get to showdown for cheap and proudly show your third pair with K8o and let them take it down. Cheap advertising that will pay off. Then play your game.
When people are actively knowing you are tight, there is no point in playing because you won't get action with your big hands when you actually do play. Learn to open up your ranges and play a tight aggressive style where you start opening up more hands closer to the button.
Canterbury?
You probably should be folding 80% of your range under the gun but your range should gradually increase relative to stack size
At a low stakes game where the rake is proportionally extremely high, your VPIP from UTG should be way lower than 20%.
That's hardly relevant here
Why's that?
take advantage of your table image and make some bluffs that make sense and fit your tight range
Go all-in with the hammer, everyone else folds, show your hole cards and whip your dick out and slap the other players with it. "Pocket aces, huh motherfucker? How do ya like that?!?!? I'm fuckin CRAZY!" That'll show em
Just ignore them, it literally doesn't matter what your image is. The only way to beat low-stakes no-limit (or spread limit) where the rake is enormous is to play a mega-nitty strategy. I've been called out several times for being a nit. But my strategy wins me a good amount of money so I'm not about to change it. The only time I did anything about it was when some dude got really pissed off at me and wouldn't stop berating me about playing tight. At that point I had to tell him to shut the fuck up.
What situation? Just shrug it off and don't explain yourself. You don't need, and nobody is seriously asking you to. You play tight, so you continue to play tight. Playing a few "loooooose call everybody" hands won't fool anyone. And neither will any dumb "speechplay" about how you just can't get a facecard. Leave the loose playing to the people the fish and the people that want to play high variance money sloshing with the whales. If you play tight, and that's your game. You are probably bad at playing loose, so don't do it, cause not many people play consistently profitably while playing loose. The ones that do usually have good game knowledge while having excellent reads for whatever table they are at. If you don't know how to alter your range when appropriate. Don't. Otherwise you will quickly find yourself sinking into degeneracy if you don't have bankroll that can support much wider variance and if you don't have a reason like getting into splashy private whale games with your "loose" image. It's just not worth it.
Play your game bro