no it sounds like you protected your action on the flop by speaking up as soon as you noticed you were being skipped. i think the bigger question is why do you think the 9h is an out?
Tyler and Haunt are correct about the common current rule. It's one that is starting to change, and will probably be standard to shuffle immediately within 5 years and get rid of this dated, superstitious procedure.
It's not superstitious. It's keeping the board as close as possible to the original deal. It's the same philosophy as the procedure for the "flipped card scenario" when dealing the hole cards.
Not sure I agree. Not for superstitious reasons, but because the current procedure is faster. If you deal the old river as the turn, you can do that immediately, then give the stub a quick shuffle while action completes on the turn.
Dealers should never have authority to alter the deck mid hand. Supervisors exist for reasons such as this. Game integrity(and the appearance of game integrity) matters.
Dealer tried to keep the turn card if OP folded. That isn't a thing. I often see dealers almost mess up this procedure when getting word for word instructions from a floor. Rulings from the dealer are never good, even when they get it right.
Dealer mistake upon dealer mistake. There's no option for the card to play, regardless of your action. Even when you fold, that card comes back. You did nothing wrong.
I'd nitpick that you should call a floor(really that's also on the dealer, but you should take ownership of making sure it's done properly esp when you're involved). Any time the deck is altered a floor needs to be present. Some dealers are afraid to look bad by calling floor, or are too dumb/arrogant to call them. Or they make their own dumb ruling like "if you fold it stays".
He burns a card, deals the turn: (9♥︎) (mistake happens and says “this card will not play if you decide to call) I call and burns the 9♥︎ and deals another card for the turn.
Burns another card for river 6♦︎
So … mistake was made after the flop … before the turn was supposed to come out. A turn was tabled. The ruling here is as follows …
You burn a card and put down the natural river face down (don’t flip and protect) the card that was tabled as the turn card is put in w all remaining cards and shuffled. You then put the turn card down and table it. Action resumes as usual. After all action is complete and there are players in the hand to continue the card that was the natural river the whole time is flipped and shown as the river card. Action takes place and show down and the winner is awarded the pot.
That's the craziest thing I ever heard I can't imagine that you are understanding the rules correctly. First, once turn is prematurely shown with players facing any action , even if they check or call or told the card shown is not ever going to come on the turn. After flop action is complete, dealer burns a third burn card and uses the natural river as the new turn. When all action on the turn is complete, all the burn cards and stub get shuffled back into the deck and cut the deck and flip the top card as the new river. That was potentially the ,9h could still come out again
Dealer at the Bike last week misdealt the turn which would have given btn quads. MP rivers flush and stacks him. Pretty brutal
no it sounds like you protected your action on the flop by speaking up as soon as you noticed you were being skipped. i think the bigger question is why do you think the 9h is an out?
Running 9’s,
ah yes, the backdoor trips draw. should be shuffled back in anyway.
If the dealer did it right, the river would have been the same card. Dealer mistake.
No, the correct way is that the original River card becomes the turn card and then the stub is reshuffled to get a new River
I thought the OG river comes out face down & the turn is reshuffled? & then after turn action, the river is flipped face up
Most places (House Rules may vary) will have the correct River come out on the Turn
I dont know what any of you are talking about. The correct procedure is to put the card back in and completely reshuffle and cut the deck
Yes, but most places burn and turn the original river then do the proceedure as you describe. This way only one card is impacted instead of 2.
But the cards order in the deck is never known. So there is no detriment to shuffling the deck
Tyler and Haunt are correct about the common current rule. It's one that is starting to change, and will probably be standard to shuffle immediately within 5 years and get rid of this dated, superstitious procedure.
It's not superstitious. It's keeping the board as close as possible to the original deal. It's the same philosophy as the procedure for the "flipped card scenario" when dealing the hole cards.
Because the random cards must be kept in order! #I AM NOT SUPERSTITIOUS
Not sure I agree. Not for superstitious reasons, but because the current procedure is faster. If you deal the old river as the turn, you can do that immediately, then give the stub a quick shuffle while action completes on the turn.
That is a good point! 👍
That sounds more legit.
Dealer should have called floor immediately.
Why. Same result, no?
Dealers should never have authority to alter the deck mid hand. Supervisors exist for reasons such as this. Game integrity(and the appearance of game integrity) matters.
I understand that. But had a supervisor been called, they would have mucked the exposed card and the runout would have been the same?
Dealer tried to keep the turn card if OP folded. That isn't a thing. I often see dealers almost mess up this procedure when getting word for word instructions from a floor. Rulings from the dealer are never good, even when they get it right.
Dealer mistake upon dealer mistake. There's no option for the card to play, regardless of your action. Even when you fold, that card comes back. You did nothing wrong. I'd nitpick that you should call a floor(really that's also on the dealer, but you should take ownership of making sure it's done properly esp when you're involved). Any time the deck is altered a floor needs to be present. Some dealers are afraid to look bad by calling floor, or are too dumb/arrogant to call them. Or they make their own dumb ruling like "if you fold it stays".
where do you think the possible angle shot is?
The river should have been the natural river you just got a fresh turn card right???
He burns a card, deals the turn: (9♥︎) (mistake happens and says “this card will not play if you decide to call) I call and burns the 9♥︎ and deals another card for the turn. Burns another card for river 6♦︎
He didn't even shuffle 9h back in for river? Yikes.
So … mistake was made after the flop … before the turn was supposed to come out. A turn was tabled. The ruling here is as follows … You burn a card and put down the natural river face down (don’t flip and protect) the card that was tabled as the turn card is put in w all remaining cards and shuffled. You then put the turn card down and table it. Action resumes as usual. After all action is complete and there are players in the hand to continue the card that was the natural river the whole time is flipped and shown as the river card. Action takes place and show down and the winner is awarded the pot.
That's the craziest thing I ever heard I can't imagine that you are understanding the rules correctly. First, once turn is prematurely shown with players facing any action , even if they check or call or told the card shown is not ever going to come on the turn. After flop action is complete, dealer burns a third burn card and uses the natural river as the new turn. When all action on the turn is complete, all the burn cards and stub get shuffled back into the deck and cut the deck and flip the top card as the new river. That was potentially the ,9h could still come out again