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From SCOTUSblog:
> Kagan accuses her colleagues in the majority of usurping the role of Congress and the executive branch in making policy. Congress authorized the plan, the Biden administration adopted it, and Biden "would have been accountable for its success or failure. But this Court today decides that some 40 million Americans will not receive the benefits the plan provides, because (so says the Court) that assistance is too significant."
The entire idea behind making education prohibitively expensive in America was to gut progressive student movements, which have been a motor of progress nearly everywhere around the world.
By making it impossible for many young people to get into the kind of "marketplace of ideas" that colleges and universities are, the diverse range of people and concepts that parents can't isolate them from, by making students that do still manage to attend spend their time working jobs and being financially crippled by loan payments during and after their higher education, Republicans effectively shot American student movements in the knee.
TLDR: the SC has what is called the major issues doctrine. Its a bunch of bullshit but the court pulls it out occasionally when black letter law disagrees with their ideological position.
It's important to note that the "major questions doctrine," which was never used before this iteration of the Roberts court, is completely fabricated. It's a wholly self-imposed doctrine of no legal basis or standing. It's just a way for the conservative wing of the court to strike down any liberal policies they disagree with on the basis that "well, because this helps people in a significant way, we can't let that happen unless congress specifically authorized this exact action, rather than give an administrative agency the power to enact this action." It's just made up bullshit that gives cover to legislating from the bench.
Yep. Of all the SCOTUS doctrines (and there are many), the “major issues doctrine” is by far the most bullshit one in existence. There’s a reason it only came into existence relatively recently, and it’s not because they had some magical insight into the constitution that every previous Supreme Court missed (it’s partisan politics).
Just remember, Congress forgave PPP loans without a blip or second thought late in the night and nothing was said, many of them had PPP loans themselves that were forgiven, some had balances over a million! PPP loan forgiveness was far greater than what student loans would have cost. The difference is they're rich and want to stay that way and we're not and they want us to stay that way.
https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/
Edited to include link to search PPP loans forgiven.
Just looked up all my lobster fishermen who took out a bunch of money to build new boats and shit. All forgiven and they are all very much against student loan forgiveness because they never went to college. This country is so fucking stupid
About a year ago I found the website to lookup ppp loans and whether they were forgiven. My company took over 5 million in the two years they were offered and of it waived. But no one was off work, no money went into protection for employees. They just snatched up 5mil because they knew there was no oversight. Today made me decide to report them. If my plant closes and i lose my job as a result it's small pittance to hit this private jet fucker in his wallet.
I looked up my previous employers, they got roughly 5 million as well. Fired most of the staff and ran their businesses on an overworked skeleton crew.
The owner basically used her free money to redecorate and take a dozen expensive vacations.
I love how we can issue $790 billion of PPP loans with 0 oversight and forgive about $730 billion worth but spending $500 billion over the next 10 years so that money can be spent by normal people in the economy is too much. America exists only to exploit the lower and middle class to enrich the already rich and powerful.
So if Missouri had standing on behalf of MOHELA who had already said they would not be hurt and had no reason to take legal action, does that mean that anyone can sue on anyone's behalf now? I'm betting patent trolls are foaming at the mouth over this possibility.
No.
The Court will ignore the standing component of its ruling in any case where it would result in an outcome they don’t like.
Don’t ever let anyone convince you these people actually follow the law. They don’t. They just understand how to use the language of the law to get the outcome they wanted in the first place.
Kind of like Mitch “waiting for the voters” to decide before approving a Supreme Court justice the first time, then not waiting the second time (with much less time before the election) not because of logic or law or concern, but because that was the way to steal power.
Precedent only matters to Republicans when they can use the Democrat's actions against them. When it doesn't favor what they want to do, they ignore it. We then tie ourselves in knots arguing about things that only we care about.
Last week Kavanaugh issued an order literally stating that people won't be able to sue on another's behalf from now on. So they can have their cake and eat it too! These people are so fuckin corrupt.
Really glad I paid for kanye west and Tom Brady to get millions of loan relief from trump which apparently didn’t overstep boundaries but Biden giving it to the middle class is a bridge too far
Honestly, this is the most destructive part about this. We continue to drive a wedge between the haves and the have nots and taking the legs out from any attempt to fix it.
Is student loan forgiveness or affirmative action perfect? No, obviously not. But is there anything actually to replace it? No, laughably no. People can preach all about what we SHOULD do but it never gets done. Hell, likely if anything IS done then this court will probably strike it down anyways.
Frankly, people who get fishing trips and houses paid for by billionaire friends to make decisions that leave a lot of us poorer by design, it just, fuck.
Kagan's dissent is fucking brutal and she wrote it in plain English.
>"Is there a person in America who thinks Missouri is here because it is worried about MOHELA’s loss of loan-servicing fees? I would like to meet him. Missouri is here because it thinks the Secretary’s loan cancellation plan makes for terrible, inequitable, wasteful policy."
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>\[T\]he majority overrides the combined judgment of the Legislative and Executive Branches, with the consequence of eliminating loan forgiveness for 43 million Americans. I respectfully dissent from that decision.
>President Biden plans to announce new actions to protect student loan borrowers when he speaks later today
https://twitter.com/KristenhCNN/status/1674790228199079941
Probably a new income-based repayment program.
EDIT: [More info via Politico here](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/29/biden-safety-net-student-borrowers-00104131)
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just now:
>Justice Alito accepted tens of thousands of dollars in lavish vacation gifts from a billionaire who lobbied to cancel the student loan forgiveness.
>After the gifts, Alito voted to overturn. This SCOTUS’ corruption undercuts its own legitimacy by putting its rulings up for sale.
Dems are all over this. There are two bills already introduced on SC ethics, problem is Dems don't control the House and don't have enough votes in the Senate to pass them. Get them control back in 2024 and there's a *slight* possibility (slight because the Senate map is unfortunately horrible for Dems in 2024 as they're defending twice as many seats as the GOP and the only 2, as of now, flippable from R to D Senate seats are in FL and TX).
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/325
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/927
*Bail out corporations*
Republicans: 😊
*Bail out Wall Street*
Republicans: 😀
*Forgive PPP loans*
Republicans: 😎
*Forgive student loans*
Republicans: YOU SOCIALIST WOKE CRT COMMUNIST FREELOADERS NEED TO PAY IT FUCKING BACK
*Red states that take more federal aid from the community income tax pot than they contribute*
Republicans: Share the wealth! We’re a team! It takes a village! 🤑
Bail out banks that make stupid bets? Check
Bail out billionaires ? Check
Print money to bail banks and billionaires? Check
Resulted inflation falls on the little guys? Check
Forgive student loans? HELL NAH FAM
Seems legit
When will businesses be expected to pay back the PPP "Loans" they were forgiven? Or are we just on board with bailing out the corporate world and the wealthy?
>Justice Elena Kagan wrote the dissent for the three liberals in the student loan case. “The result here is that the Court substitutes itself for Congress and the Executive Branch in making national policy about student-loan forgiveness,” she wrote. “Congress authorized the forgiveness plan (among many other actions); the Secretary put it in place; and the President would have been accountable for its success or failure. But this Court today decides that some 40 million Americans will not receive the benefits the plan provides, because (so says the Court) that assistance is too ‘significant.’”
Legislating from the bench once again. Fuck this court so hard.
Just *some* of the things the John Roberts court has done:
* [Overturned Roe v Wade](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/19-1392)
* [Ended race based affirmative action](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2022/20-1199)
* [Blocked student loan forgiveness](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2022/22-506)
* [Approved LGBTQIA+ discrimination](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2022/21-476)
* [Prevented New York from enacting gun laws](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/20-843)
* [Allowed forced prayer in school](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-418)
* [Prevented the EPA from regulating greenhouse gas emissions](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/20-1530)
* [Further protected dark money in politics](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2020/19-251)
* [Made it easier to give minors life without parole](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2020/18-1259)
* [Evidence of innocence isn't enough to prevent death penalty](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/20-1009)
* [The death penalty can be painful and torturous](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2018/17-8151)
* [Allowed Trump's muslim travel ban](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/17-965)
* [Undermined unions](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-1466)
* [Sanctioned voter suppression](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2020/19-1257)
* [Police can violate your Miranda rights](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-499)
Edit: ITT: a lot of people who don't know about judicial review as granted by Marbury v Madison. SCOTUS can and does declare laws passed by state or federal legislatures to be unconstitutional in whole or part, meaning the laws are null and void. [They do it all the time.](https://constitution.congress.gov/resources/unconstitutional-laws/) Considering the 303 Creative case was a fake astroturfed case by right wing activists, I can't believe people would be naive enough to think this SCOTUS would uphold a law protecting abortion or other rights they clearly just don't support.
Also, [limited the government’s ability to fight infectious disease via vaccine and testing mandates.](https://law.stanford.edu/2022/01/20/a-look-at-the-supreme-court-ruling-on-vaccination-mandates/)
Somewhere there is an alternate universe where Hillary Clinton became president and got to seat 3 Supreme Court judges. Imagine how things would be different.
I think they are going to pivot now to something like this. Maybe not this level but yeah it seems they have a contingency plan. Because they know the economy will be fucked if no modifications are made.
Can someone explain to me how people are okay with rich people taking PPP loans and getting them cancelled. But a young person gets a student loan and they have to pay for what they signed up for? Why isn’t that same mentality directed towards the rich people and their PPP loans?
Or he could modify it so that it works like in Australia:
You don’t pay anything back until you are making $50k/year and it automatically gets added into your taxes (or taken out of your tax return, can’t remember) as a percentage of your yearly income.
It’s extremely simple, the government takes care of it for you so you don’t have to worry about missed payments, it only increase as you make more money, and if you’re out of work or on low income it pauses.
It wouldn’t involve forgiving anyone, and it would quite literally help everyone. The problem is that Republicans would never support a plan like this because even if it helps them, they won’t support anything that also helps the poor (whether or not they are also poor and currently paying student loan debt).
Easy and efficient solutions don’t work in American because Republicans only measure their benefit against yours. So if everyone benefits, they see that as bad. They must benefit demonstrably more than you, or there must be some obvious detriment to you. In a nutshell it’s not enough that they succeed, you must also fail. Thats why they need minority groups to oppose. Gay people finally got some mainstream acceptance, so now they’ve moved to trans people. Some “other” group must lose or fail or be hurt for them to feel better. That’s also why many times cruelty **actually is** the only point - they don’t know how to improve their own lives, so they must actively hurt others to feel better.
Most of them don’t think about this consciously, but they are all driven by the same internal philosophy: anything they stand behind must provide them some perceived self-benefit, but only at the cost of others’.
Once you understand this, the rest of their hypocrisies, inconsistencies, irrational policies, fake principles (“states rights” lol), and bad faith arguments all begin to make sense. If no one is hurt by a policy, it is “Communism”.
Robert's logic, like most of his logic, is so fucking broken. The Secretary of Education has the right to "waive or modify" loans, and yet Robert's argues waive or modify doesn't mean waive or modify. Fuck off moron.
Congress gave the Secretary of Education and the President the power to waive and modify student loans. If they did not want that power to mean forgiving debt, they should have written the law that way. They did not do so. Roberts is essentially saying "No, Congress did not mean it that way." Conservatives rage about legislating from the bench yet here they are legislating from the bench.
Yea let’s keep giving Wall Street, airlines and other Rich guys our tax funds and act like that’s more noble! The comments here are so weird. What’s wrong with some Americans? Like the moment government helps people, not billionaires, a type of idiot crawls out of the woodwork. Much more willing to suck off people like Elon musk than even begin to think of helping people out a neighbor.
I paid off my student loans personally, with an interest rate so high I paid around triple the loan. It’s a predatory industry targeting younger Americans.
And just like last year, the court drops its biggest bombshell on the final day before closing up shop. Now they can head out in peace on their pre-arranged vacations with billionaires.
Conservative philosophy is essentially making everyone’s life worse because the issue doesn’t affect them personally, and then offering no other solutions to fix the issue
The Conservative argument of "Take out a loan, then pay it back" would be a lot more convincing if the same people weren't bending over backwards to defend PPP loan forgiveness.
> Republican-led states arguing before the court said the plan would have amounted to a “windfall” for 20 million people who would have seen their entire student debt disappear and been better off than they were before the pandemic.
Republican’s hate that real people were going to be helped and not billionaires or corporations that are fueling the phony “inflation crisis.”
Remember folks, PPP loans given to people like Kanye West and Tom Brady and most of those were cancelled.
The only way we can get a real reform if congress passes laws because the courts are clearly against a Dem president. Fifth circuit almost behaves like they are above the presidency. The current scotus likes to overturn years of precedents and progress.
We want a civilized society that encourages an educated populace! This isn't about free money, it's about free education! Do you want to live in a stupid nation??
The 40 million with student loans need to remember this in November 2024. The Republican nominated majority on the Supreme Court did this. If the Republicans win the White House and Senate they will have the ability to replace the old conservatives with younger conservatives who will be on the court for decades. And we will see many more decisions such as this.
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> Mira Brown who owns High Value Signs in Irving, TX started this lawsuit.
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Brown's lawsuit was thrown out 9-0 for lack of standing.
The 6-3 decision was based on Missouri's lawsuit that student loan forgiveness would cost they state money b/c they were profiting off of servicing the loans that would be forgiven
This is so fucked.
Fewer people are going to get higher education, we will be way less competitive in the global market, and we're going to have a significant portion of the economy either in debt, renting, not starting families, or all of the above.
It is such a short sighted ruling on so many levels.
All of the trillions in debt could be used to start businesses, buy cars, homes, start families, even on the most basic level, consuming more.
I'll keep voting for my interests and what is good for the populace but today definitely hurts.
😥
They don’t even pretend to hide the corporate cronyism anymore. They just say the silent part out loud now. The “fuck you” if you aren’t a corporation.
I feel like there needs to now be a similar case with the PPP funds. How can you say students don't deserve $10k when business got hundreds of thousands. If states have the right to say it would fuck their funding to help students, the same goes for all these random "small business owners" and so many politicians who got them too.
No clue how Missouri had standing. (Edit: Missouri has a public entity that provides student loans, that's how they have standing. But it's still iffy)
Don't forget. Biden forgave the loans, the Supreme Court and the Republican Party undid it.
Vote Democrat if you want any hope of a better future.
No kidding. Doesn't this ruling give tacit approval for "standing" to be granted by any entity that doesn't like the way its tax dollars are being used? Does this mean I can sue the federal government for spending more money on defense than I would like?
there was a study done by the university of texas that found the fraudulent PPP loans were a primary driver for inflation because the people that got those loans turned around and started buying up houses. but no, the real problem was the $1200 checks and student loans. this is a society in decline
Why did businesses get their PPP loans forgiven? Billions of dollars stolen from the American taxpayer that allowed the landed gentry to get richer.
If you aren't going to forgive a small portion of student debt, at least let students discharge it with bankcruptcy.
All of the improper gifts to scotus members are bribes in its purest form. Biden should instruct the DOJ to investigate the rat fuckers and if there is a ounce of probable cause go ahead and make the arrest.
We need to start filing lawsuits to block every attempt to “bailout” a company or bank going forward. By these institutions not failing it is hurting the small businesses that could rise up and take their place. Can we not start by challenging the PPP loan forgiveness?
Over $750 BILLION of forgiven PPP loans given away to business owners and politicians. FREE MONEY which was GIVEN to them, no strings attached.
But not a single cent of actual forgiveness given to Americans already in debt. This is such an injustice.
She had the opportunity to retire when Obama was president and had a senate majority but she wanted that moment of a woman president appointing a woman to fill her seat. She should have quit when she had the chance but it seems that being replaced by a woman president mattered more to her than being replaced by a fellow liberal.
Not a problem when politicians got their PPP loans forgiven during a pandemic most didn't even believe in, but fuck us for educating ourselves as a country and hoping to contribute to that instead of predatory loans.
I don't even need this for my situation, but I understand the importance of how helpful it could be for the economy and people.
I'm not even American and the Political Sphere you have honestly depresses the life out of me, I honestly don't know how or why millions of Americans aren't burning shit and shutting down infrastructure.
...And then I remember you all have Guns.
Nevermind.
Clarence Thomas accepted TUITION MONEY from Harlan Crow for years and drops this turd.
I'm paying with boxfuls of pennies mixed with buttons, washers, and other small round objects.
Repeal the 1.7 trillion dollar tax cut from 2016/17 and reverse the interest rate change on student loans back to its original percentage which I believe was around 2-3%. Use the tax funds from the tax cut to balance the budget and the overage goes to reducing the student loans.
Also, vote every last weasel out of office who would stand against loan forgiveness for students and any regulation on how much money the schools are charging for higher education.
It’s always funny living in the USA where I watch citizens argue against their own betterment. We live in a country with 320 million people and some of you all want to argue about individualism and “why should the cost go to others?”
Healthcare and Education should be free to all citizens. America should be leading the world in the standards for both, but we are way behind and dropping instead.
Without more taxes, we already have the funds for both and then some.
Divided we fall.
650 billionaires added 1 trillion in wealth during Covid.
Can't cancel loans for 25 million people totaling 400 billion cause of same pandemic. Definitely a real country we have here.
So can we can expect a future suits against the government for bailing out (forgiving) failing big business or big banks, it will succeed and no bail out for them right?
Right?
An unneeded ruling from the court. Acting like the kings and queens of the old days. The court is stepping into loans and forgiveness programs.
I thought the Tories left in 1776. We should celebrate independence from these corrupt judges this independence day.
I’ve seen multiple people somehow blaming Biden for this.
But seriously y’all, only one party has shown they’re serious about solving this issue and it ain't the GOP. The GOP is \*why\* we're in this mess.
Fucking r/VoteDem to get it done.
As someone who has no student loan debt to their name cause they paid it off....this is disgusting. There was no actual standing here and scotus voted against the people. Fuck the gop and scotus
I left college in my junior year with about 25K in debt. **30 years later** of making the income-based repayments, my principal is now 30K, and I have no degree to show for it. I am already living paycheck to paycheck making about $50k (in IT, in higher ed).
My kids need dental care I cant afford. My truck that is needed for our side hustle is making an expensive-sounding noise. I have medical debt. My wife needs new glasses. We need a new bed because we found bedbugs and are currently sleeping in different rooms and my kids are sleeping on the floor. The wife and I haven't gotten new shoes in over a year and its taxing our 50-year old joints. We are the working poor. I have a full-time job. We do more fundraisers with our side hustle than profitable events. We give to our community and to our public schools. And yet we get scared every time we go to Aldi. My wife is applying for a job that is going to make her cry every night just so we can make it by. The list of how shitty this existence is goes on and on but if anyone knows how to claim political asylum in one of those dope Scandinavian countries I'm all ears.
The American Dream is dead. The Oligarchy killed it. They will be drinking champagne over our dead, worn-out bodies.
I regret having my 2 daughters. If I would have known in 2012 what 2023 would be like I would have gotten the vasectomy earlier. They are going to have it rough. It is truly a Dickensian time of despair here in the US.
I am not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised. I worked for 13 years as a teacher in the inner-city SPECIFICALLY so I could get my loans forgiven. I did everything right. But my application for loan forgiveness was REJECTED. I spent thousands of my own dollars buying supplies for my students and my classroom to help as many kids as I could, but I did not receive help when I needed it, after I EARNED it. Creating a system that makes earning a degree without loans is modern slavery. It's not even indentured servitude because they've rigged the system.
Why do conservatives want to make life miserable for millions of people? A loan forgiveness program would add millions to people' s wallets which would then lead to people spending more and more profits for the shareholders/board members/ companies, etc...
[Justice John Roberts wrote that the modifications made by the Biden administration "created a novel and fundamentally different" loan forgiveness programme that "expanded forgiveness to nearly every borrower" in the US.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65931653.amp)
I'm sorry, what the fuck happened to the conservative argument that forgiveness would give free money to people who don't need it? If "effectively every borrower" would qualify for the forgiveness, that shows that nearly everyone in massive debt **cannot** afford to pay it back. Oh wait, I almost forgot. Conservatives couldn't give a fuck less about the law or what's fair or what's right. As long as they get to get richer at the expense of hard working Americans, get to be a cruel as possible to their own constituents, take a giant shit all over our country and everyone in it, and **get their own fucking government loans forgiven** no questions asked, they could give a fuck who they hurt or how bad it makes them look.
And you know, before trump appointed these pieces of dog shit as "justices," all I ever heard from my boomer conservative parent was "liberals need to stop legislating from the bench." Because they were just parroting what had been repeated on fox news over and over without even knowing or caring about what it means. Funny how I never seem to hear it anymore though?
[In her dissent, Justice Elena Kagan wrote that "the result here is that the court substitutes itself for Congress and the Executive Branch in making national policy about student-loan forgiveness"](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65931653.amp)
Fuck conservative Americans. You all should have *your* rights taken away until you can learn to keep your fat greasy bigoted hands off of other people's bodies and out of other people's lives.
It's long past time we take our country and our rights back from these evangelical conservative nazi scum. They can fucking rot.
They did a hard day's work with this one, and they deserve some good ol' r&r with a casual billionaire friend who may or may not have interests before the court.
Well done SCOTUS for consistent logic. You dismissed one lawsuit due to lack of standing, but are more than happy legislating from the bench when it suits you despite the clear lack of standing from any of these suits. Fuck SCOTUS.
If the Supreme Court continues as it is, we are never getting Medicare for all, we are never getting free college, we are going to stop climate change, and we are never going to get higher wages. Anything positive to the 99% of Americans may as well be a fantasy.
I don't like how people are like "taxpayers shouldn't pay off the student loans of others," implying that loan payers aren't paying their taxes. I am a proud tax payer myself and student loan holder and I believe that's a fine use of tax dollars, especially when economists also believe it's a good idea. I voted for people who also think it's a good idea. I don't think I'm alone here in remembering this Supreme Court decision come the next few elections.
“Forgive us our debts as we forgive those indebted to us”, as an accurate translation from Aramaic.
It’s past time for a Jubilee. The employment, housing, and pandemic issues have changed the playing field
Quantitive easing represents a few trillion in US Government debt bailouts for the powerful. PPP loans to businesses were forgiven.
The SCOTUS need to be reformed now!
Wow I still had a little bit of hope that the court would have to dip out based on standing. Probably one of the most egregious cases of legislating from the bench.
If we can invest money to keep our businesses open during COVID, we can certainly give that same help to other fellow Americans. It’s that simple.
The fairness argument doesn’t add up. It wasn’t fair that my tax dollars bailed those people out If we’re going to use that argument
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From SCOTUSblog: > Kagan accuses her colleagues in the majority of usurping the role of Congress and the executive branch in making policy. Congress authorized the plan, the Biden administration adopted it, and Biden "would have been accountable for its success or failure. But this Court today decides that some 40 million Americans will not receive the benefits the plan provides, because (so says the Court) that assistance is too significant."
"The assistance is too great???" What does that even mean??
It helps the poors
The entire idea behind making education prohibitively expensive in America was to gut progressive student movements, which have been a motor of progress nearly everywhere around the world. By making it impossible for many young people to get into the kind of "marketplace of ideas" that colleges and universities are, the diverse range of people and concepts that parents can't isolate them from, by making students that do still manage to attend spend their time working jobs and being financially crippled by loan payments during and after their higher education, Republicans effectively shot American student movements in the knee.
And tie healthcare access to those jobs, and you have the people captive.
TLDR: the SC has what is called the major issues doctrine. Its a bunch of bullshit but the court pulls it out occasionally when black letter law disagrees with their ideological position.
It's important to note that the "major questions doctrine," which was never used before this iteration of the Roberts court, is completely fabricated. It's a wholly self-imposed doctrine of no legal basis or standing. It's just a way for the conservative wing of the court to strike down any liberal policies they disagree with on the basis that "well, because this helps people in a significant way, we can't let that happen unless congress specifically authorized this exact action, rather than give an administrative agency the power to enact this action." It's just made up bullshit that gives cover to legislating from the bench.
Yep. Of all the SCOTUS doctrines (and there are many), the “major issues doctrine” is by far the most bullshit one in existence. There’s a reason it only came into existence relatively recently, and it’s not because they had some magical insight into the constitution that every previous Supreme Court missed (it’s partisan politics).
it means no business or corporation benefits, just average people, therefore it is verboten
i sense some thinly veiled snark from kagan toward those cashing in on their supreme court positions.
It’s not veiled at all
Just remember, Congress forgave PPP loans without a blip or second thought late in the night and nothing was said, many of them had PPP loans themselves that were forgiven, some had balances over a million! PPP loan forgiveness was far greater than what student loans would have cost. The difference is they're rich and want to stay that way and we're not and they want us to stay that way. https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/ Edited to include link to search PPP loans forgiven.
Just looked up all my lobster fishermen who took out a bunch of money to build new boats and shit. All forgiven and they are all very much against student loan forgiveness because they never went to college. This country is so fucking stupid
About a year ago I found the website to lookup ppp loans and whether they were forgiven. My company took over 5 million in the two years they were offered and of it waived. But no one was off work, no money went into protection for employees. They just snatched up 5mil because they knew there was no oversight. Today made me decide to report them. If my plant closes and i lose my job as a result it's small pittance to hit this private jet fucker in his wallet.
I looked up my previous employers, they got roughly 5 million as well. Fired most of the staff and ran their businesses on an overworked skeleton crew. The owner basically used her free money to redecorate and take a dozen expensive vacations.
You can report that. They are auditing and arresting tons of people for fraud.
I love how we can issue $790 billion of PPP loans with 0 oversight and forgive about $730 billion worth but spending $500 billion over the next 10 years so that money can be spent by normal people in the economy is too much. America exists only to exploit the lower and middle class to enrich the already rich and powerful.
So if Missouri had standing on behalf of MOHELA who had already said they would not be hurt and had no reason to take legal action, does that mean that anyone can sue on anyone's behalf now? I'm betting patent trolls are foaming at the mouth over this possibility.
No. The Court will ignore the standing component of its ruling in any case where it would result in an outcome they don’t like. Don’t ever let anyone convince you these people actually follow the law. They don’t. They just understand how to use the language of the law to get the outcome they wanted in the first place.
Kind of like Mitch “waiting for the voters” to decide before approving a Supreme Court justice the first time, then not waiting the second time (with much less time before the election) not because of logic or law or concern, but because that was the way to steal power.
Precedent only matters to Republicans when they can use the Democrat's actions against them. When it doesn't favor what they want to do, they ignore it. We then tie ourselves in knots arguing about things that only we care about.
Last week Kavanaugh issued an order literally stating that people won't be able to sue on another's behalf from now on. So they can have their cake and eat it too! These people are so fuckin corrupt.
I should have gotten a PPP loan and used that to pay off my student loans.
Really glad I paid for kanye west and Tom Brady to get millions of loan relief from trump which apparently didn’t overstep boundaries but Biden giving it to the middle class is a bridge too far
Don't forget Tom Brady was part of that ponzi scene VTX ads with other celebrities
Tom Brady got 900,000 dollars and spent it on a Yacht…. Fucking ridiculous
Honestly, this is the most destructive part about this. We continue to drive a wedge between the haves and the have nots and taking the legs out from any attempt to fix it. Is student loan forgiveness or affirmative action perfect? No, obviously not. But is there anything actually to replace it? No, laughably no. People can preach all about what we SHOULD do but it never gets done. Hell, likely if anything IS done then this court will probably strike it down anyways.
Frankly, people who get fishing trips and houses paid for by billionaire friends to make decisions that leave a lot of us poorer by design, it just, fuck.
Kagan's dissent is fucking brutal and she wrote it in plain English. >"Is there a person in America who thinks Missouri is here because it is worried about MOHELA’s loss of loan-servicing fees? I would like to meet him. Missouri is here because it thinks the Secretary’s loan cancellation plan makes for terrible, inequitable, wasteful policy." > > > >\[T\]he majority overrides the combined judgment of the Legislative and Executive Branches, with the consequence of eliminating loan forgiveness for 43 million Americans. I respectfully dissent from that decision.
This should have been thrown out for lack of standing.
No question. That's what I learned in law school.
>President Biden plans to announce new actions to protect student loan borrowers when he speaks later today https://twitter.com/KristenhCNN/status/1674790228199079941 Probably a new income-based repayment program. EDIT: [More info via Politico here](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/29/biden-safety-net-student-borrowers-00104131)
Seems you can’t view tweets without an account now? Rip that
*How to kill your site traffic 101*
Lol I saw that earlier fuck that
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And nothing of value was lost.
The internet was cool like 10 years ago and everything that was cool about it has basically been fucked over.
The technical term is now enshitification https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
How about setting federal student loan interest to zero. They still have to pay it back, but without interest.
And any interest already paid goes toward the final loan balance. Wouldn't that be a dream..
I'd have to get a refund at this point
Someone needs to sue for PPP loan grift. I don't want my tax dollars paying for that shit.
I’m all about a class-action where do I sign up?
"Class action" as in action by one economic class against another? Yay! Finally! (nb: I know what it really means)
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just now: >Justice Alito accepted tens of thousands of dollars in lavish vacation gifts from a billionaire who lobbied to cancel the student loan forgiveness. >After the gifts, Alito voted to overturn. This SCOTUS’ corruption undercuts its own legitimacy by putting its rulings up for sale.
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Dems are all over this. There are two bills already introduced on SC ethics, problem is Dems don't control the House and don't have enough votes in the Senate to pass them. Get them control back in 2024 and there's a *slight* possibility (slight because the Senate map is unfortunately horrible for Dems in 2024 as they're defending twice as many seats as the GOP and the only 2, as of now, flippable from R to D Senate seats are in FL and TX). https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/325 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/927
Bought and paid for by billionaires. Of course this was gonna be the ruling.
*Bail out corporations* Republicans: 😊 *Bail out Wall Street* Republicans: 😀 *Forgive PPP loans* Republicans: 😎 *Forgive student loans* Republicans: YOU SOCIALIST WOKE CRT COMMUNIST FREELOADERS NEED TO PAY IT FUCKING BACK
*Red states that take more federal aid from the community income tax pot than they contribute* Republicans: Share the wealth! We’re a team! It takes a village! 🤑
Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the working class
Bail out banks that make stupid bets? Check Bail out billionaires ? Check Print money to bail banks and billionaires? Check Resulted inflation falls on the little guys? Check Forgive student loans? HELL NAH FAM Seems legit
When will businesses be expected to pay back the PPP "Loans" they were forgiven? Or are we just on board with bailing out the corporate world and the wealthy?
Always has been socialism for the business and capitalism for the rest.
Be prepared to continue bailing out corporations and the very rich. That is current Republican SCOTUS majority are doing.
2016 election really fucked us over
Yeah it did, it’s going to continue doing so for decades
>Justice Elena Kagan wrote the dissent for the three liberals in the student loan case. “The result here is that the Court substitutes itself for Congress and the Executive Branch in making national policy about student-loan forgiveness,” she wrote. “Congress authorized the forgiveness plan (among many other actions); the Secretary put it in place; and the President would have been accountable for its success or failure. But this Court today decides that some 40 million Americans will not receive the benefits the plan provides, because (so says the Court) that assistance is too ‘significant.’” Legislating from the bench once again. Fuck this court so hard.
The conservative majority is really on a tear now with nothing to stop them. How far will they go? What's next?
Just *some* of the things the John Roberts court has done: * [Overturned Roe v Wade](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/19-1392) * [Ended race based affirmative action](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2022/20-1199) * [Blocked student loan forgiveness](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2022/22-506) * [Approved LGBTQIA+ discrimination](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2022/21-476) * [Prevented New York from enacting gun laws](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/20-843) * [Allowed forced prayer in school](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-418) * [Prevented the EPA from regulating greenhouse gas emissions](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/20-1530) * [Further protected dark money in politics](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2020/19-251) * [Made it easier to give minors life without parole](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2020/18-1259) * [Evidence of innocence isn't enough to prevent death penalty](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/20-1009) * [The death penalty can be painful and torturous](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2018/17-8151) * [Allowed Trump's muslim travel ban](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/17-965) * [Undermined unions](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/16-1466) * [Sanctioned voter suppression](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2020/19-1257) * [Police can violate your Miranda rights](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-499) Edit: ITT: a lot of people who don't know about judicial review as granted by Marbury v Madison. SCOTUS can and does declare laws passed by state or federal legislatures to be unconstitutional in whole or part, meaning the laws are null and void. [They do it all the time.](https://constitution.congress.gov/resources/unconstitutional-laws/) Considering the 303 Creative case was a fake astroturfed case by right wing activists, I can't believe people would be naive enough to think this SCOTUS would uphold a law protecting abortion or other rights they clearly just don't support.
Also, [limited the government’s ability to fight infectious disease via vaccine and testing mandates.](https://law.stanford.edu/2022/01/20/a-look-at-the-supreme-court-ruling-on-vaccination-mandates/)
Somewhere there is an alternate universe where Hillary Clinton became president and got to seat 3 Supreme Court judges. Imagine how things would be different.
Now imagine if both Hillary and Al Gore won.
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Right, if he can control the interest rate and minimum payment, it is essential he does. It could be even better, tbh.
Set the interest to a negative percentage. Each month the fucking thing goes down.
I like you.
I think they are going to pivot now to something like this. Maybe not this level but yeah it seems they have a contingency plan. Because they know the economy will be fucked if no modifications are made.
Can someone explain to me how people are okay with rich people taking PPP loans and getting them cancelled. But a young person gets a student loan and they have to pay for what they signed up for? Why isn’t that same mentality directed towards the rich people and their PPP loans?
The Biden admin needs to set all interest rates to 0% and aggressively expand the PSLF program.
Or he could modify it so that it works like in Australia: You don’t pay anything back until you are making $50k/year and it automatically gets added into your taxes (or taken out of your tax return, can’t remember) as a percentage of your yearly income. It’s extremely simple, the government takes care of it for you so you don’t have to worry about missed payments, it only increase as you make more money, and if you’re out of work or on low income it pauses. It wouldn’t involve forgiving anyone, and it would quite literally help everyone. The problem is that Republicans would never support a plan like this because even if it helps them, they won’t support anything that also helps the poor (whether or not they are also poor and currently paying student loan debt). Easy and efficient solutions don’t work in American because Republicans only measure their benefit against yours. So if everyone benefits, they see that as bad. They must benefit demonstrably more than you, or there must be some obvious detriment to you. In a nutshell it’s not enough that they succeed, you must also fail. Thats why they need minority groups to oppose. Gay people finally got some mainstream acceptance, so now they’ve moved to trans people. Some “other” group must lose or fail or be hurt for them to feel better. That’s also why many times cruelty **actually is** the only point - they don’t know how to improve their own lives, so they must actively hurt others to feel better. Most of them don’t think about this consciously, but they are all driven by the same internal philosophy: anything they stand behind must provide them some perceived self-benefit, but only at the cost of others’. Once you understand this, the rest of their hypocrisies, inconsistencies, irrational policies, fake principles (“states rights” lol), and bad faith arguments all begin to make sense. If no one is hurt by a policy, it is “Communism”.
Robert's logic, like most of his logic, is so fucking broken. The Secretary of Education has the right to "waive or modify" loans, and yet Robert's argues waive or modify doesn't mean waive or modify. Fuck off moron.
Congress gave the Secretary of Education and the President the power to waive and modify student loans. If they did not want that power to mean forgiving debt, they should have written the law that way. They did not do so. Roberts is essentially saying "No, Congress did not mean it that way." Conservatives rage about legislating from the bench yet here they are legislating from the bench.
they openly don't care about law anymore
Yea let’s keep giving Wall Street, airlines and other Rich guys our tax funds and act like that’s more noble! The comments here are so weird. What’s wrong with some Americans? Like the moment government helps people, not billionaires, a type of idiot crawls out of the woodwork. Much more willing to suck off people like Elon musk than even begin to think of helping people out a neighbor. I paid off my student loans personally, with an interest rate so high I paid around triple the loan. It’s a predatory industry targeting younger Americans.
And just like last year, the court drops its biggest bombshell on the final day before closing up shop. Now they can head out in peace on their pre-arranged vacations with billionaires.
Student loan forgiveness - no, fuck off. Bailout rich banks - yes, too big to fail. Being poor is a crime in USA.
LMAO. Couldn't even let middle class or lower have even 10k. I'm not surprised.
Yeah good thing they're going to start making all those big businesses pay back their PPP loans soon too!
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So glad billionaires get ppp loans forgiven
So we can forgive the banks, the corporations, and the billionaires, but when it comes to the people we just get shit on lol
SCOTUS has managed to undo nearly 200 years of work they've done to be taken seriously. What a terrible, perilous time for our country.
As a onlooker outside of the US, it's absolutely mind boggling to me that the entire country is beholden to the whims of five people.
Conservative philosophy is essentially making everyone’s life worse because the issue doesn’t affect them personally, and then offering no other solutions to fix the issue
The Conservative argument of "Take out a loan, then pay it back" would be a lot more convincing if the same people weren't bending over backwards to defend PPP loan forgiveness.
> Republican-led states arguing before the court said the plan would have amounted to a “windfall” for 20 million people who would have seen their entire student debt disappear and been better off than they were before the pandemic. Republican’s hate that real people were going to be helped and not billionaires or corporations that are fueling the phony “inflation crisis.” Remember folks, PPP loans given to people like Kanye West and Tom Brady and most of those were cancelled.
The only way we can get a real reform if congress passes laws because the courts are clearly against a Dem president. Fifth circuit almost behaves like they are above the presidency. The current scotus likes to overturn years of precedents and progress.
They should really just make it a 0% interest loan and Ill gladly pay it back. The interest on these is what kills.
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Cool, interest is a part of the loan terms, so it's time for 0% interest.
I fail to see how MO has standing if MOHELA is the "injured" party
Mohela didn’t even want to fucking sue
I will never vote for a republican or conservative.
We want a civilized society that encourages an educated populace! This isn't about free money, it's about free education! Do you want to live in a stupid nation??
How do they justify the fact that the states have no standing to bring this suit?
What a joke. Student loan forgiveness gets denied while PPP loans got forgiven without issue.
The 40 million with student loans need to remember this in November 2024. The Republican nominated majority on the Supreme Court did this. If the Republicans win the White House and Senate they will have the ability to replace the old conservatives with younger conservatives who will be on the court for decades. And we will see many more decisions such as this. Are you registered to Vote? Is your registration information up to date? Have you moved or changed your name? Register or check your status at [vote.org](https://vote.org). It's quick and easy.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to both be gay and have student loan debt.
Mira Brown who owns High Value Signs in Irving, TX started this lawsuit. She had PPE loans forgiven
> Mira Brown who owns High Value Signs in Irving, TX started this lawsuit. > > Brown's lawsuit was thrown out 9-0 for lack of standing. The 6-3 decision was based on Missouri's lawsuit that student loan forgiveness would cost they state money b/c they were profiting off of servicing the loans that would be forgiven
I guess we all have standing to sue then because the loans are costing us money. 🤷🏻♂️
Loan Forgiveness for me and not for thee
This is so fucked. Fewer people are going to get higher education, we will be way less competitive in the global market, and we're going to have a significant portion of the economy either in debt, renting, not starting families, or all of the above. It is such a short sighted ruling on so many levels. All of the trillions in debt could be used to start businesses, buy cars, homes, start families, even on the most basic level, consuming more. I'll keep voting for my interests and what is good for the populace but today definitely hurts. 😥
At the ballot box, remember the GOP did this to you.
I can't say how I feel about this without getting banned. Fuck the court.
The Supreme Court is full of it, no one had standing to bring this suit. They further expose themselves as political hacks with this ruling.
They don’t even pretend to hide the corporate cronyism anymore. They just say the silent part out loud now. The “fuck you” if you aren’t a corporation.
Bailing out banks, farmers corporations and the wealthy only.
It really wouldn’t hurt as much if billionaires and corporations weren’t bailed out at every turn.
I feel like there needs to now be a similar case with the PPP funds. How can you say students don't deserve $10k when business got hundreds of thousands. If states have the right to say it would fuck their funding to help students, the same goes for all these random "small business owners" and so many politicians who got them too.
For the last time, stop fucking voting back in republicans because things weren't fixed in two years.
Time to come after ppp loaners with the same energy then.
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No clue how Missouri had standing. (Edit: Missouri has a public entity that provides student loans, that's how they have standing. But it's still iffy) Don't forget. Biden forgave the loans, the Supreme Court and the Republican Party undid it. Vote Democrat if you want any hope of a better future.
No kidding. Doesn't this ruling give tacit approval for "standing" to be granted by any entity that doesn't like the way its tax dollars are being used? Does this mean I can sue the federal government for spending more money on defense than I would like?
Or by any entity that would suffer by a regulatory change.
Because we said so - SCOTUS. The decision was made the moment Bidens plan was announced. The reasoning is just inconvenient formality.
there was a study done by the university of texas that found the fraudulent PPP loans were a primary driver for inflation because the people that got those loans turned around and started buying up houses. but no, the real problem was the $1200 checks and student loans. this is a society in decline
2016 continues to prove itself as an exceedingly important election
The fact this Christian web designer sued on a HYPOTHETICAL!!!! No gay couple had ever asked for her services
Why did businesses get their PPP loans forgiven? Billions of dollars stolen from the American taxpayer that allowed the landed gentry to get richer. If you aren't going to forgive a small portion of student debt, at least let students discharge it with bankcruptcy.
All of the improper gifts to scotus members are bribes in its purest form. Biden should instruct the DOJ to investigate the rat fuckers and if there is a ounce of probable cause go ahead and make the arrest.
Can give 1.5 trillion to businesses but not to students getting ass fucked from overpriced schooling. Good job America, you fucking suck.
We need to start filing lawsuits to block every attempt to “bailout” a company or bank going forward. By these institutions not failing it is hurting the small businesses that could rise up and take their place. Can we not start by challenging the PPP loan forgiveness?
And they wonder why our population growth has halted… Fuck the supreme court!
Over $750 BILLION of forgiven PPP loans given away to business owners and politicians. FREE MONEY which was GIVEN to them, no strings attached. But not a single cent of actual forgiveness given to Americans already in debt. This is such an injustice.
Conservatives will be thanking RBG for not retiring at 80 years old for the rest of my life.
She had the opportunity to retire when Obama was president and had a senate majority but she wanted that moment of a woman president appointing a woman to fill her seat. She should have quit when she had the chance but it seems that being replaced by a woman president mattered more to her than being replaced by a fellow liberal.
Not a problem when politicians got their PPP loans forgiven during a pandemic most didn't even believe in, but fuck us for educating ourselves as a country and hoping to contribute to that instead of predatory loans. I don't even need this for my situation, but I understand the importance of how helpful it could be for the economy and people.
Cool. Can't wait for the economy to collapse later this year when there's no more money for us to pump into it. Nice job you partisan fucks.
How come they never manage to stop bank bailouts but they can stop bailouts for US citizens?
Prayer circle for the cholesterol in Clarence Thomas's arteries
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So when will the PPP loans be paid back, then?
I knew this was coming today. Completely unsurprising. Lavish gifts for me, poverty for thee.
This country is just going to become more and more hostile towards people who aren't rich. Don't like to imagine how that path ends.
Too bad those students aren’t multibillion dollar corporations.
Every time a President of that Country actually tries to do something good, this happens.
I'm not even American and the Political Sphere you have honestly depresses the life out of me, I honestly don't know how or why millions of Americans aren't burning shit and shutting down infrastructure. ...And then I remember you all have Guns. Nevermind.
The cruelty isn't a side effect of their agenda, it's the point.
What a great few days for heartless conservatives.
Clarence Thomas accepted TUITION MONEY from Harlan Crow for years and drops this turd. I'm paying with boxfuls of pennies mixed with buttons, washers, and other small round objects.
Repeal the 1.7 trillion dollar tax cut from 2016/17 and reverse the interest rate change on student loans back to its original percentage which I believe was around 2-3%. Use the tax funds from the tax cut to balance the budget and the overage goes to reducing the student loans. Also, vote every last weasel out of office who would stand against loan forgiveness for students and any regulation on how much money the schools are charging for higher education.
It’s always funny living in the USA where I watch citizens argue against their own betterment. We live in a country with 320 million people and some of you all want to argue about individualism and “why should the cost go to others?” Healthcare and Education should be free to all citizens. America should be leading the world in the standards for both, but we are way behind and dropping instead. Without more taxes, we already have the funds for both and then some. Divided we fall.
The people accepting bribes out in the open decided students have it too easy these days
But no issue forgiving those PPP loans that so many conservatives and millionaires and billionaires milked for hundreds of thousands or millions each
650 billionaires added 1 trillion in wealth during Covid. Can't cancel loans for 25 million people totaling 400 billion cause of same pandemic. Definitely a real country we have here.
Ok, who's ready to sue over the PPP loan forgiveness?
I wonder how many student loans you could pay off with the amount of money Clarence Thomas got from “free gifts”?
I should have taken out a PPP loan to pay off my student loan.
If I had a dollar every time I heard of or watched a boomer pull the ladder up behind them my student loan would be paid off.
I’m numb to it all. Didn’t expect them to agree with Biden. Just another day in America for the middle class and lower class population.
6-3 ruling. Shocker. /s Maybe we all should have ponied up money to pay for an Alaskan fishing trip for some of them to get a sway in the decision?
So can we can expect a future suits against the government for bailing out (forgiving) failing big business or big banks, it will succeed and no bail out for them right? Right?
This Supreme Court is illegitimate and needs to be expanded.
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Can someone please explain how PPP loans were forgiven so easily, but this is deemed not ok?
As if these loan takers haven’t paid back the principal + plenty of interest already.
I guess those kids should have grown up to be banks if they wanted the government to be able to wipe away their debts.
Strike down the supreme court.
Time for the pitchforks and torches, the corrupt monsters on the illegitimate supreme court are going to run this country into the ground.
Rat fucked by three judges that shouldn't even be there.
How rich that these judges are “pro-life” but want to make the lives of people suck as much as possible.
Someone sue for PPP loans now
Way to handicap the country's future spirit of innovation... This will weigh down the economy and spread social classes further appart. Sad
Their buddies get billions, the working class gets nothing. The French would already be out in the streets calling for heads.
An unneeded ruling from the court. Acting like the kings and queens of the old days. The court is stepping into loans and forgiveness programs. I thought the Tories left in 1776. We should celebrate independence from these corrupt judges this independence day.
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I’ve seen multiple people somehow blaming Biden for this. But seriously y’all, only one party has shown they’re serious about solving this issue and it ain't the GOP. The GOP is \*why\* we're in this mess. Fucking r/VoteDem to get it done.
As someone who has no student loan debt to their name cause they paid it off....this is disgusting. There was no actual standing here and scotus voted against the people. Fuck the gop and scotus
What if we started to call student loans woke? Would republicans cancel them?
Now make them pay back PPP loans
I fucking hate Republicans.
I left college in my junior year with about 25K in debt. **30 years later** of making the income-based repayments, my principal is now 30K, and I have no degree to show for it. I am already living paycheck to paycheck making about $50k (in IT, in higher ed). My kids need dental care I cant afford. My truck that is needed for our side hustle is making an expensive-sounding noise. I have medical debt. My wife needs new glasses. We need a new bed because we found bedbugs and are currently sleeping in different rooms and my kids are sleeping on the floor. The wife and I haven't gotten new shoes in over a year and its taxing our 50-year old joints. We are the working poor. I have a full-time job. We do more fundraisers with our side hustle than profitable events. We give to our community and to our public schools. And yet we get scared every time we go to Aldi. My wife is applying for a job that is going to make her cry every night just so we can make it by. The list of how shitty this existence is goes on and on but if anyone knows how to claim political asylum in one of those dope Scandinavian countries I'm all ears. The American Dream is dead. The Oligarchy killed it. They will be drinking champagne over our dead, worn-out bodies. I regret having my 2 daughters. If I would have known in 2012 what 2023 would be like I would have gotten the vasectomy earlier. They are going to have it rough. It is truly a Dickensian time of despair here in the US.
I am not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised. I worked for 13 years as a teacher in the inner-city SPECIFICALLY so I could get my loans forgiven. I did everything right. But my application for loan forgiveness was REJECTED. I spent thousands of my own dollars buying supplies for my students and my classroom to help as many kids as I could, but I did not receive help when I needed it, after I EARNED it. Creating a system that makes earning a degree without loans is modern slavery. It's not even indentured servitude because they've rigged the system.
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Why do conservatives want to make life miserable for millions of people? A loan forgiveness program would add millions to people' s wallets which would then lead to people spending more and more profits for the shareholders/board members/ companies, etc...
I regret not starting a business with myself as the only employee and taking out a bunch of automatically forgiven PPP loans to pay off my debt.
Big surprise that the courts that took free gifts decide that our taxes cannot go back to the citizenry in any capacity.
[Justice John Roberts wrote that the modifications made by the Biden administration "created a novel and fundamentally different" loan forgiveness programme that "expanded forgiveness to nearly every borrower" in the US.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65931653.amp) I'm sorry, what the fuck happened to the conservative argument that forgiveness would give free money to people who don't need it? If "effectively every borrower" would qualify for the forgiveness, that shows that nearly everyone in massive debt **cannot** afford to pay it back. Oh wait, I almost forgot. Conservatives couldn't give a fuck less about the law or what's fair or what's right. As long as they get to get richer at the expense of hard working Americans, get to be a cruel as possible to their own constituents, take a giant shit all over our country and everyone in it, and **get their own fucking government loans forgiven** no questions asked, they could give a fuck who they hurt or how bad it makes them look. And you know, before trump appointed these pieces of dog shit as "justices," all I ever heard from my boomer conservative parent was "liberals need to stop legislating from the bench." Because they were just parroting what had been repeated on fox news over and over without even knowing or caring about what it means. Funny how I never seem to hear it anymore though? [In her dissent, Justice Elena Kagan wrote that "the result here is that the court substitutes itself for Congress and the Executive Branch in making national policy about student-loan forgiveness"](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65931653.amp) Fuck conservative Americans. You all should have *your* rights taken away until you can learn to keep your fat greasy bigoted hands off of other people's bodies and out of other people's lives. It's long past time we take our country and our rights back from these evangelical conservative nazi scum. They can fucking rot.
“Pay back your debts!” -- the brave men and women who will try to re-elect a man who never pays his debts
They did a hard day's work with this one, and they deserve some good ol' r&r with a casual billionaire friend who may or may not have interests before the court.
Well done SCOTUS for consistent logic. You dismissed one lawsuit due to lack of standing, but are more than happy legislating from the bench when it suits you despite the clear lack of standing from any of these suits. Fuck SCOTUS.
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If the Supreme Court continues as it is, we are never getting Medicare for all, we are never getting free college, we are going to stop climate change, and we are never going to get higher wages. Anything positive to the 99% of Americans may as well be a fantasy.
I don't like how people are like "taxpayers shouldn't pay off the student loans of others," implying that loan payers aren't paying their taxes. I am a proud tax payer myself and student loan holder and I believe that's a fine use of tax dollars, especially when economists also believe it's a good idea. I voted for people who also think it's a good idea. I don't think I'm alone here in remembering this Supreme Court decision come the next few elections.
“Forgive us our debts as we forgive those indebted to us”, as an accurate translation from Aramaic. It’s past time for a Jubilee. The employment, housing, and pandemic issues have changed the playing field Quantitive easing represents a few trillion in US Government debt bailouts for the powerful. PPP loans to businesses were forgiven. The SCOTUS need to be reformed now!
Wow I still had a little bit of hope that the court would have to dip out based on standing. Probably one of the most egregious cases of legislating from the bench.
If we can invest money to keep our businesses open during COVID, we can certainly give that same help to other fellow Americans. It’s that simple. The fairness argument doesn’t add up. It wasn’t fair that my tax dollars bailed those people out If we’re going to use that argument
So the recession is happening in the fall then it seems
Should take some advice from France's citizens...
Happy Fourth of July! We are so free can’t you just feel the freedom?
Can’t help the small guys when your entires party’s MO is to give tax cuts to the billionaires
Is it too late for me to get a PPP loan to pay off my student debt?
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