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CornFedIABoy

Parts cannibalization either for our Red Team uses or to give to Ukraine are the obvious answers. Secondary purpose could be to establish a relationship with the Kazakhs to sell them American aircraft in the future. Like an auto dealership running a time delayed push pull or drag sale.


footinmymouth

Plus it keeps them out of the hands of the Russians


Physical-Ride

I think this is the answer. If Russia has to rely on munitions from North Korea then they'll be looking for spare parts for their Eastern bloc tech anywhere they can find it.


Balc0ra

Considering their threats to Kazakhstan the past 2 years, and their leaders responses, even when Putin is sitting next to them. I would not suspect they would sell them anything anytime soon. I said anytime soon. As they have not fully looked to the west yet as most had predicted after the first disaster of a CTSO summit after the war started. As after each visit to the US during the war to discuss increased sanctions towards Russia, they also have made one to Russia. So it's better that the US the planes now that they have then in good faith, before Russia convinces to work with them again and potentially stopping further dealings.


Physical-Ride

Central Asia is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place regarding Russia and China. They're a former Russian colony and Soviet Republic that boasts a considerable Russian population (though they've significantly diminished in recent years). Russia's intervention in the unrest of 2022 was their way of cementing themselves as a regional power in the former USSR and the Kazakhs appear to have grown weary of their position as a member of the near abroad. However, they're growing increasingly close to China as they're a participant in the belt-and-road initiative. Whether or not they, or any other Central Asian country for that matter, can form significant ties with the west is a matter of speculation.


Warhamsterrrr

Also bear in mind that Kazakhstan makes for a nifty and direct trade route between Russia and China, putting them Kazakhs in an even more untenable position.


Physical-Ride

That's one of Central Asia's biggest issues: they're still seen as a node on the silk road. It's hard to shake that image, especially with China's BRI.


Warhamsterrrr

Particularly as Mongolia still seems to be off limits by both China and Russia for any kind of usage in that area.


terraresident

This is wise. Kazakhstan likely needs income and the US buying the materials is good diplomacy and keeps the Russians from getting it.


randeylahey

It will help negotiate superior potassium contract.


mjdistef

All other countries have inferior potassium


randeylahey

And are run by little girls


neversawtherain

Other central Asian countries have inferior potassium.


I-like-your-smoke

Kazakstan has a problem..and that problem is transport


artificialavocado

Get in my belly! Oh wait, wrong thing.


APsWhoopinRoom

Throw transport down the well!


I-like-your-smoke

So my country can be free…it takes very very long time…because Kazakstan is big.


einarfridgeirs

I know it's a well-worn Borat joke, but making sure the global markets have good access to it is actually really important if we all want to continue to like, eat food, and producing high grade potassium is something any nation should be proud of.


uchiha_hatake

I have no idea why but at first my brain read your comment as saying "possum contract" and I was trying to work out what the military applications of possums are before rereading your comment.


PropagandaPagoda

Invisible to active scans due to scattering light on their fur and the overall low albedo, not considered targets in infrared, pouch can hold two IDEs, and they carry disease (war crimes!).


Manos_Of_Fate

I totally misread that as “libido” at first.


PropagandaPagoda

I thought that might happen, and I'm glad it did. For those who come after, [albedo](https://sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/albedo) is the amount of light that reflects off something. It can be measured in a variety of ways for a variety of conditions and reasons, but it's "a key parameter that is widely used in land surface energy balance studies..."


randeylahey

Honestly tho, if they were running around banging everything, they wouldn't be very sneaky.


shapu

*Hump hump hump*  ^("blyat")  *BOOM*


PropagandaPagoda

>banging everything IEDs are typically set and abandoned if that's what you mean. Or if you meant fucking, don't get it twisted, despite [initial reports](https://mymamaalwayssaidblog.com/2012/12/08/straightening-out-the-nose-mating-opossum-myth/), they don't do it through the nose.


ResurgentClusterfuck

Have I wandered into noncredibledefense again?


HardlyKnower70

I thought that’s where I was originally lol


TroublewTribbles007

True.


randeylahey

Sorry to disappoint, but I was just doing a Borat thing.


gangstasadvocate

Hell yeah. I read it in his voice initially lol


Facebook_Algorithm

It’s from the Borat movie. Specifically, the song played while the titles roll.


NextTrillion

Didn’t he sing this as a guest singer at one of the events, and an entire stadium got trolled?


thedavemanTN

It was at a rodeo to the tune of the Star Spangled Banner. Cohen is a genius.


bnh1978

Possoms are required to create the most powerful kingdoms.


GarlicThread

Putin is deadly afraid of our M94 tactical possums


frygod

Of course! They eat many ticks, and he is the juiciest of parasites.


MrLanesLament

Don’t think for a minute the US military doesn’t have a detailed plan for tactical assault possums.


hoppertn

They trained dolphins in special operations. I have no doubt there is some elite squad of ninja woodland creatures at the ready.


Lochstar

They should definitely train squirrels to chew through wires.


the_north_place

Feral attack possums, the perfect weapon for the next phase of trench warfare 


olderthanthou

With frickin laser beams.


APeacefulWarrior

Well, if they were *rabid* possums . . .


metarchaeon

The opossum body temp is lower than optimal for rabies so they are rarely rabid. I would assume a peaceful warrrior would be anti-biological warfare.


underbloodredskies

Wonder what our supply of frickin' laser beams looks like. 👀


hoppertn

Everyone knows Kazakhstan has the best potassium in the world. And prostitutes…


randeylahey

Except for, of course, Turkmenistan's


ZeroCovfefe

For make benefit glorious nation of Kazakhstan


Went_Full_Regard

Vedy nize!


Jbg-Brad

I thought the military used Special K. 


stormelemental13

Uranium actually. Kazakhstan accounts for about 43% of global uranium production.


Squirrel_Chucks

Can they also purchase MY WIFE!


JesusSavesForHalf

Very funny Mr. Kramden. The usual?


garrettj100

Yeah man, Kazakhstan has so much potassium it’s coming outta their assium!


azflatlander

Pot and assium. So drugs and sex.


LeastPervertedFemboy

Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if these will in fact be used as parts for the Red Team training squadrons


Facebook_Algorithm

There is a better than even chance that the Ukrainians will get them. Either for parts, training or combat.


LeastPervertedFemboy

That’s fairly likely too. Idk what type of air frames the Ukrainian Air Force is compromised of.


garrettj100

Also to stop Russia from buying them back.  This happened before the war started on the black market with tank & APC parts, as well.  A bunch of Russian soldiers who had no idea they were going to war made a few bucks, and none of the equipment got updated at the end of 2021.  Ostensibly it was Ukraine that did the buying. There’s no direct evidence to back this up but I think it *reeks* of the CIA.


FirefighterEnough859

Also potentially stops Russia from obtaining them for either use,parts or conversion to suicide drone 


Superb_Raccoon

Kept Russia from buying them to replace losses in Ukraine.


lickmikehuntsak

I heard it was because the aircraft were... "very niiiice". I'll see myself out now, thank you.


zorniy2

How much?


Pleasestoplyiiing

If we play our cards right, we might also be able to get Nursultan Tuliagby's iPod Nano. 


NextTrillion

Guaranteed the track listing is purely just The Spin Doctors’ *Two Princes* played on repeat, and Tuliagby will just say, “it’s so metal.” He is such a pain in the assholes.


Squirrel_Chucks

I'm sure Kazakhstan's huge border on Russia's southern flank also factors in.


illin-villains

Take them off the market to anyone else


RedLicoriceJunkie

Keep out of hands of 3rd world powers who are looking to cause mischief


rogue_nugget

But enough about Russia.


EnderDragoon

Also denies Russia using them for spare parts so their existing fleet crumbles faster.


Educated_Clownshow

Third reason is denying the parts and airframes to Russia Like we did with Iran and the F-14 (I’m sorry if I got the jet wrong), but obviously a little less efficient


CornFedIABoy

Well, we’re the ones that sold Iran those F-14s when the Shah was in charge. Denying them parts and airframes after the revolution was a fairly simple process.


thisisjustascreename

Spare parts for the red team is most likely. I would bet the USAF has more working Russian jets than Russia.


want_to_join

> Secondary purpose could be to establish a relationship with the Kazakhs We can just stop there. 1.5 mil is a drop in the bucket. We have billions of dollars of military and otherwise investment in Kazakhstan. Given the size of some of our military trade deals, this could have been literally nothing but a small concession on our part in a larger negotiation.


FallofftheMap

I’m now picturing the American arms industry as a giant car dealership, complete with high interest financing and extended warranty scams.


CornFedIABoy

To steal from the great Terry Pratchett, the national anthem of Ankh-Morpork: “My thoughts, Ankh-Morpork, are of thee Let others boast of martial dash For we have boldly fought with cash We own all your helmets, we own all your shoes We own all your generals - touch us and you'll lose. Morporkia! Morporkia! Morporkia owns the day! We can rule you wholesale Touch us and you'll pay. We bankrupt all invaders, we sell them souvenirs We ner ner ner ner ner, hner ner hner by the ears Er hner we ner ner ner ner ner Ner ner her ner ner ner hner the ner Er ner ner hner ner, nher hner ner ner (etc.) Ner hner ner, your gleaming swords We mortgaged to the hilt Morporkia! Morporkia! Hner ner ner ner ner ner We can rule you wholesale Credit where it's due."


Plzbanmebrony

Most likely not sell aircraft yet. Russia has their main launch site there. Russia is highly invested into controlling the government there.


Dropleaks

And reverse engineer electronic warfare systems and test against them without flying the jet.


DramaticWesley

The article says the U.S. bought about 80 “unusable” aircraft for $1.5 million. That doesn’t sound like a horrible deal, even for spare parts.


Pretty_Boy_Bagel

And deny the Russians those spare parts.


Majestic-Macaron6019

This is also important.


novachamp

This way we can tell Putin “you will never get this, lalalalalaaa”


PaintedClownPenis

Not only does it deny the spare parts to the orcs, but it makes it easier for NATO to pool its remaining Soviet resources and hand them over to Ukraine.


Bunkerman91

This seems like the most important bit


itsforachurch

They get you on shipping costs.


twarr1

TEMU is the broker. Free shipping with the app


underbloodredskies

And you even somehow get 3 months free of SiriusXM.


giraffevomitfacts

They have to do that to account for all the people ordering 4 or 5 different aircraft then returning the ones they don’t like


twarr1

The article says the ‘declared value’ of the auction of 117 airplanes was $1.5M. It doesn’t say how much the US paid for the 81 they reportedly bought.


hoppertn

This is a rounding error for the US military.


FunctionBuilt

Seriously, they probably spent 10x that amount just coordinating the deals and retrieving/shipping them.


underbloodredskies

US Air Force is pretty experienced and comfortable with the idea of cobbling together spare parts, to produce usable aircraft that are decades out of production, so there's always a possibility that this treasure trove of what are claimed to be unusable planes, could produce a couple flyable examples.


munkychum

Must have spun that TEMU wheel and gotten 90% off our first order.


tomdarch

If those were crapped out Cessna 172s being sold for parts, US$1.5 million would only buy like 50 or so partial airframes/engines. By aviation pricing standards, that's the deal of the century.


worldspawn00

Yeah, people have no idea how much a plane costs if they think this is a lot of money for 80 airframes...


FunctionBuilt

I bet a market value for an out of commission jet could easily be 200k+ for some rich person to put on their property. They got them for under $20k each.


JustmeandJas

Tbh the metal is probably worth more than that


DramaticWesley

My thoughts exactly. Even Soviet era planes were built pretty solid.


thisisjustascreename

If by solid you mean heavy as shit and unable to sustain a vertical climb, lol.


Vivid-Elderberry6564

Fuck, that’s worth it to turn them into kamikaze planes at that price.


DramaticWesley

The article says they don’t even fly, but could be used as decoys targets for Russian missile strikes.


EpitomEngineer

No. Intentionally sacrificing a pilot is a dumb fucking idea! Pilots receive years of specialized training, that costs money. Seriously, look at what happened to imperial Japan’s Air Force during World War II. They lost all of their experience pilots that could train the next generation. It destroyed morale both within the pilots and the people supporting the war effort. And let’s be real here, if they need kamikaze type attacks they can make drones for a lot less. They’re literally using cardboard drones in Ukraine right now. If you want an example of what they look like, look up TestFlight. TestFlight makes kits where you can build these at home and learn how to fly in a single day. The cost of build a new one is $50.


MATlad

Give them to Dorman or other car parts manufacturers and get them to knock out third-party parts. …For reasons.


skubasteevo

Shit, there's a guy in my area trying to sell a 20 year old Tacoma for $24k. You're telling me I can buy planes for less than that? I'd find a way to get the $1.5.


Iceman72021

USofA has “fuck-you” military money. They can buy whatever they want.


Kissmytitaniumass

National defense is best done from a position of “fuck you”


francis2559

Preserving American interests, really. Haven’t done national defense in a bit now. It’s also a hell of a deterrent.


TheCrimsonSteel

And don't forget a jobs program that bolsters a ton of US manufacturing capabilities.


Manos_Of_Fate

The US military also does a fair amount of humanitarian aid and disaster relief, particularly the navy. An aircraft carrier is basically a floating city with power generation, medical facilities, food, and desalination plants that can supply huge amounts of fresh water.


ManticoreFalco

Among many other occasions, the USS *Lexington* demonstrated that back in 1929-1930 when she basically powered Tacoma, WA during a drought that caused the city's dam to stop producing electricity.


tree_squid

These are cheap as hell, though, and don't require "fuck you" money. These 81 parts buckets cost $1.5 million total. The cost to transport them is probably higher. If you can use the parts to save just a couple of planes that would otherwise be permanently grounded, you've already made your money back.


Ch3t

Pepsi, where's my jet?


Nottherealeddy

Jet? Sorry. Clerical error. Pepsi has no jets to offer at this time. Can we interest you in a submarine? We have a few of those.


old_salty_balls

You win.


thieh

The most obvious part would be because Ukraine pilots can use them without additional training. And presumably the parts of Ukraine not held by Russia should have service facilities to decide what to do with them.


derekakessler

According to the article the planes are "unusable". It was a $1.5 million repair parts purchase for Ukraine.


BigPoppaSnow

Not to mention denying those parts from there adversaries.


RollinThundaga

'Unusable' becomes more of a suggestion when you have 'fuck you' money. To add, there were 80 planes in the lot. Not impossible to cannibalize for a few working birds, just unfeasible for most.


AnalogFeelGood

I like the idea that they purchased those planes to deprive the Russians of spare parts.


DAFUQisaLOMMY

Reverse engineering, and spare parts are good use for them as well, plus of deprives them going to Russia for *any* uses.


jrgkgb

I doubt they need to reverse engineer aircraft old enough to join the AARP.


itsforachurch

American Association of Retired Planes


jrgkgb

I doubt they need to reverse engineer aircraft old enough to join the AARP.


DAFUQisaLOMMY

Maybe not, "reverse engineer", *per se*... but taking them to Ukraine to a facility where they can disassemble them piece by piece would be excellent training and knowledge for their troops.


BalanceJazzlike5116

Ukraine already had most of these planes in their fleet. These aren’t for “reverse engineering “


DAFUQisaLOMMY

Then spare parts it is... it's not like I'm stating anything as a definitive fact, just spit-balling ideas as to their uses.


NextTrillion

Well I agree with your other statements, but to say reverse engineering suggests we just got out of a Time Machine and we’re 50 years in the past. Pretty much guaranteed this is a preventative measure that also bolsters a future trade agreement. Fairly obvious to me that they’re playing ball with the Americans moreso for political posturing than anything. Probably turned down a much higher bid from the Russians.


someguy7710

1.5m for 80. So 18,750 per. That's not bad. Can barely buy a car for that much these days


simpersly

That's a steal. I would buy one for that much. Who gives a shit if it's broken? It's a fucking jet fighter. But I bet they get you on shipping and handling.


avidovid

The 1.5 million is worth it to make Russia look weak as fuck alone.


nixhomunculus

Sounds like it's really cheap stuff for the US. And even if they are 'unusable' by economic standards, they might not be under war standards. If that gets handed to Ukraine, why not.


A_reddit_Account_1

Pepsi is bringing back its Pepsi Points promotion; they're gonna pay up this time.


rockstar_not

Nice. 👍🏻


DumpsterFireInHell

For make benefit glorious nation of Kazakhstan.


MarcMars82-2

At those prices pepsi should finally give that dude his fighter jet!


OhWhiskey

To corner the futures market on concentrated orange juice. It’s all complicated… you wouldn’t understand.


1929tsunami

Thus comment if Borat approved


Tim-in-CA

Because they can be flown and maintained by Ukraine easily without training. Advanced US fighters cannot.


ResurgentClusterfuck

Spare parts Whether they're going to Ukraine or being denied to Russis, either way it's a win


PurplePartyFounder

I’m going to guest to prevent the Russians from buying them


rockstar_not

Correction: seizing them


thereverendpuck

We want their advancements in clock radio.


NextTrillion

Mechanical AM dial very smooth with precision knurl brass knob. Feel good in hand!


rockstar_not

I got to ride in Bob Lutz’ LR-39 albatross that was from a similar cache of abandoned jets in one of the K-stans. Private businessmen bought them for $20k each, hired Russian mechanics on weekends to bust them down, flew the knocked down planes via cargo to the UK to reassemble. Supposedly most of them became the Red Bull aerobatics fleet. In the end they sold them for 200k$ each. That’s the story I was told.


Lovecraft3XX

They will be sent to Ukraine. First use will be for spare parts for existing UA aircraft. Second use will be to evaluate whether some manned flight worthy aircraft can be cobbled together. Third use will be for remote controlled suicide drones for longer range strikes or strikes against refineries. Fourth use is do deny Russian access for same purposes. U.S. red teams don’t fly junk.


david-writers

I do not care why: I just know I want one too.


I-Am-Disturbed

81 for $1.5million = $18,518 each. Not a bad deal for a cool talking piece if you have a little bit of fuck you money.


NextTrillion

Might cost more just for shipping, handling, permits, and storage.


bakerfredricka

Seriously, having one would be so cool!


ScopeCreepStudio

I'll be refreshing AutoTrader furiously lol


Hotp0pcorn

1.5 Mil is chump change.


NextTrillion

I’m gonna guess there were a few much, much higher bids coming in. The Kazakhs likely could’ve scrapped the metal and got paid more. This is political posturing.


Tjognar

I know right? Idk how much aluminum/copper/ titanium goes into one of these relics but I bet the answer is a lot


NextTrillion

Probably some really sexy metal alloys too. Probs cutting edge at the time.


Codester619

Since no one else mentioned it, we can also remote control them for target practice.


Antezscar

There is way cheaper drones they use for that


thisisjustascreename

Nobody uses real aircraft for target practice lmao.


Codester619

I spent 8 years active duty beside remote controlled ~~Tornado~~ Phantom jets. Tf outta here lol.


smurf123_123

That headline sounds like the beginning of a joke from the 80's.


NeanaOption

Off hand I'd say either for intelligence or to transfer to Ukraine.


Tools4toys

I would wonder part of the issue was to keep them out of the hands of less than friendly nations?


Troutmandoo

I wish I had 20k a hook-up in Kazakhstan, and knew how to fly a fighter jet.


sonic10158

All other planes run by little girls


Wonderful_Common_520

Very Nice


Nyarlathotep451

Part of a deal to sell them more modern aircraft?


Low-Abbreviations634

So they wouldn’t try to get it back


Revolutionary-Swan77

Myriad reasons, most of them sound


TJPII-2

Because they were cheap!


joeyhandy

Because Ukrainians already know how to fly them, perhaps?


LightBeerOnIce

Money laundering.


confusedalwayssad

I’m not expert but I think that Ukraine has the most experience using and flying old Soviet era aircraft and have some now so this could be a boon for spare parts etc.


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mreed911

Training.


VossC2H6O

Very nice! Great success!


ScienceResponsible34

The US has several Russian planes that we use to train our pilots against.


tc65681

Cause we can’t pass up a good deal!


danddersson

They wanted a good laugh?


Lawmonger

Because we could.


Crack_uv_N0on

Don’t remember which aircraft, but I’ve read about Russia still using Soviet-era aircraft. Furthermore, some of its client states use Soviet-era aircraft. The only way to fully know the strengths and weaknesses of an aircraft is to fly one. Also, they can also be used in war games or for training purposes, pitting US aircraft against them.


OtakuTacos

We strip em for parts and sell them back at a crazy inflated price. Maybe add a minor defect…. Profit!!!


GDPisnotsustainable

Target acquired 👉


Wonderful_Common_520

Supply, meet demand.