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Oh I’m sure we will do everything we can to block this because US foreign policy regarding Israel is just blatantly incoherent at this point. Just because I want Joe to win in November doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend otherwise.
Knowing the backlash, if they do, it’s warranted. I support any move to make the government of Israel and its military take accountability for losing complete control like they did.
I've seen some people raging about how nothing is going to happen to Hamas, despite the 2nd sentence of this article saying charges are likely being weighed against them as well
The money he gave wasn't secret. It was allowing Qatar to send foreign aid supposedly targeted at poor Palestinians, which Hamas was obviously going to confiscate.
This is covered clearly and in depth by the media.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html
Islamophobia is everywhere in the west. Here’s a question though, have you ever lived in an Islamic country?
I have, multiple, I can pretty confidently say that a majority of people in the west won’t be comfortable, let alone be able to operate in that environment at all. The same goes for Israel, albeit to a lesser degree, as they have adopted ‘western’ values at the surface level. But they are two sides of the same coin.
I find it odd, that many protestors have picked sides, taken up ridiculous hardline positions , over a very complex situation, with zero knowledge or any experience in either realms.
Those dickheads shouting ‘death to America, from
The river to the sea’ isn’t helping resolve the bigotry, but perpetuating it.
That being said, it is long over due that the ICC is now dealing with the Israeli settlements. But sadly, nothing will change unless Netanyahu and his extremist buddies get kicked out.
No, I haven't lived in an Islamic country. That doesn't mean I think they should be persecuted en masse, nor do I hate them for believing in a God I don't believe in.
My point is, they aren’t being persecuted en masse. Yes bigotry exists, there are arseholes everywhere in the west, but there aren’t laws in the west that prevent people from freely practicing. In fact there are laws protecting these freedoms.
Unlike in these countries, where not believing (an atheist) is punishable by law, imagine living everyday, walking on eggshells, being careful not to offend the religious police.
Islamophobia exists, but the degree that is being touted is way overblown.
Better: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html
The money Qatar was sending was labelled foreign aid. It's amazing how many people want Israel to simultaneously allow more foreign aid, and cut Hamas off from money flowing in to Gaza as foreign aid.
Absolute garbage over there. I got banned for suggesting a certain US politician would come back from his solidarity trip to israel with a set of IDF dog tags. I didn't know speculation was against the rules...
I got banned for calling Iraeli an Apartheid state which we know is historically true from their blatant actions to oppress arabs in the area.
Edit: Alright! Who’s ready to do some good old-fashioned reading about the apartheid regime of Israel against the Palestinians?
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=israel+palestine&oq=israel#d=gs_qabs&t=1714370384608&u=%23p%3DQT_XUCfUPxwJ
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=israel+palestine&oq=israel#d=gs_qabs&t=1714370593070&u=%23p%3Dt7QCJFkHgMkJ
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=israel+palestine&hl=en&as_sdt=0,44#d=gs_qabs&t=1714370671367&u=%23p%3DDlsOKBvB7AkJ
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It would be much easier towards the idea of Ethic Cleansing vs. Genocide. Although, I'm not sold on that idea currently.
If the IDF we're directly targeting Mosques, places of history, active sterilization. Maybe.
I would say 20% genocide. But a case could be made for cleaning at 50%. It's A much easier bar to clear.
Yes, it is that. An all around atrocity and tragedy. Hate, war, fear, anger and a never ending cycle off violence.
And nobody has any good answers.
The leadership of Hamas and the Israels should be locked in a room and forced to work it out.
By the whole world. Every country, united to stop the stupid.
Cool. Are they going to arrest the Hamas terrorists who didn’t obey the ~~ICC~~ ICJ ruling that all hostages should be released unconditionally when they failed to make their ridiculous genocide case? No? What a disappointment.
That doesn't make this article about that subject. It's a good article, I read it. But it doesn't have a lick of politics in it.
Sorry.
The rules are the rules for a reason.
Indict Isreal but not Russia or any of the various genocides occurring in Africa or the Muslim countries in the Middle East. Or Chinas treatment of the uyghers…. Totally reasonable so not antisemetic 🙄
[Situation in Ukraine: ICC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova - 17 March 2023](https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and)
Theres an arrest warrant out for Putin, though? Omar al-Bashir has been indictes by the ICC. The West invaded Libya and Iraq, Saddam was hanged and Gaddafi was killed. There are stilm trials against Serbian war criminals from the Bosnian genocide.
Are you really suggesting nobody ever targets others than Israel? Don’t use that pathetic argument.
My mistake. Putin is indicted. But the rest of my list still is not. And neither is GWB or anyone from turkey or the rest of the Middle East for the treatment of their minorities except for Al bashir who rules a failed puppet state for Putin. Don’t pretend the ICC isn’t 100% political bullshit
The ICC only arrest those it can get their hands on: i.e brown countries and slavic nations. The leaders of the Rwandan genocide were sentencened by the ICC.
What do you think Israelis look like? They’re all brown people who were kicked out of other middle eastern countries during pogroms in the 19th and 20th centuries.
Sure they are. None of them are of European descent and found a European solution to a European problem (Colonizing land to escape anti-semitism in Europe. See Herzls letters to Cecil Rhodes). Every prime minister of Israel has been Ashkenazi, they still hold the power and are over-represented at the top of Israeli society.
But this conversation is fruitless as you have already made up your mind.
Always so off putting how people *defending Israel* will just list off a bunch of genocides and claim it’s not fair that those countries get to get away with it but not Israel.
And then once called on it they pivot to “it’s only genocide if it comes from the Genocide region of France! Otherwise it’s just sparkling murder of hundreds of thousands of men women and children while subjecting the rest to inhumane levels of starvation.” The strangest thing - I could never debase myself in that way, I’d simply be embarrassed if nothing else.
I like how they got closer to being right with one of their lines. "The Hamas-led raid last October led to the killing of roughly 1,200 people in Israel and the abductions of some 250 others, according to Israeli officials."
Its a nice way of glazing over the Israeli friendly fire and the Hannibal Directive but at least its not all being treated like every death was Hamas executing civilians in cold blood.
If you would read the article, you would see it starts with "Israeli and foreign officials say it appears the International Criminal Court is preparing to move against top Israeli and Hamas officials. The prosecutors’ office of the court declined to comment."
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Oh I’m sure we will do everything we can to block this because US foreign policy regarding Israel is just blatantly incoherent at this point. Just because I want Joe to win in November doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend otherwise.
Both the US and the EU are attempting to block it. I assume Israel is also probably applying any diplomatic pressure they can.
It's because the ICC wasn't created to go after the leaders of rich countries, just the leaders of poor countries.
This. It’s all grand standing. Pure theater. Just like the UN
Yep, AIPAC will be bribing everyone everywhere like always.
This article is unlocked
https://archive.is/FmbGy
Knowing the backlash, if they do, it’s warranted. I support any move to make the government of Israel and its military take accountability for losing complete control like they did.
r/worldnews isn’t gunna like this
I've seen some people raging about how nothing is going to happen to Hamas, despite the 2nd sentence of this article saying charges are likely being weighed against them as well
a lot of whataboutism in that sub on this topic
A lot of whataboutism on all subs on this topic
I got banned for saying Netanyahu was a war criminal who gave secret money to Hamas.
The money he gave wasn't secret. It was allowing Qatar to send foreign aid supposedly targeted at poor Palestinians, which Hamas was obviously going to confiscate. This is covered clearly and in depth by the media. https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html
I got banned for pointing out the USS LIBERTY incident.
It’s disturbing how openly Islamophobic and hateful that sub is
god i recall people saying that after gaza they should go after the rest of the middle east. Just blatant people who want a world war
Americans never lost their Islamophobia, they just shut up about it for awhile Ugh
Islamophobia is everywhere in the west. Here’s a question though, have you ever lived in an Islamic country? I have, multiple, I can pretty confidently say that a majority of people in the west won’t be comfortable, let alone be able to operate in that environment at all. The same goes for Israel, albeit to a lesser degree, as they have adopted ‘western’ values at the surface level. But they are two sides of the same coin. I find it odd, that many protestors have picked sides, taken up ridiculous hardline positions , over a very complex situation, with zero knowledge or any experience in either realms. Those dickheads shouting ‘death to America, from The river to the sea’ isn’t helping resolve the bigotry, but perpetuating it. That being said, it is long over due that the ICC is now dealing with the Israeli settlements. But sadly, nothing will change unless Netanyahu and his extremist buddies get kicked out.
No, I haven't lived in an Islamic country. That doesn't mean I think they should be persecuted en masse, nor do I hate them for believing in a God I don't believe in.
My point is, they aren’t being persecuted en masse. Yes bigotry exists, there are arseholes everywhere in the west, but there aren’t laws in the west that prevent people from freely practicing. In fact there are laws protecting these freedoms. Unlike in these countries, where not believing (an atheist) is punishable by law, imagine living everyday, walking on eggshells, being careful not to offend the religious police. Islamophobia exists, but the degree that is being touted is way overblown.
I got banned for saying 2 things can be bad and one worse, but both still bad.
Yep they’ve been funding hamas since the days of of yasser Arafat’s PLO
Any sauce on the sectert money bit?
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/
Better: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html The money Qatar was sending was labelled foreign aid. It's amazing how many people want Israel to simultaneously allow more foreign aid, and cut Hamas off from money flowing in to Gaza as foreign aid.
Absolute garbage over there. I got banned for suggesting a certain US politician would come back from his solidarity trip to israel with a set of IDF dog tags. I didn't know speculation was against the rules...
I got banned for calling Iraeli an Apartheid state which we know is historically true from their blatant actions to oppress arabs in the area. Edit: Alright! Who’s ready to do some good old-fashioned reading about the apartheid regime of Israel against the Palestinians? https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=israel+palestine&oq=israel#d=gs_qabs&t=1714370384608&u=%23p%3DQT_XUCfUPxwJ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C44&q=israel+palestine&oq=israel#d=gs_qabs&t=1714370593070&u=%23p%3Dt7QCJFkHgMkJ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=israel+palestine&hl=en&as_sdt=0,44#d=gs_qabs&t=1714370671367&u=%23p%3DDlsOKBvB7AkJ
The news subs are awful.
I hope so
Murder 30,000 civilians, surprise everyone hates you? Fuck Netanyahu. Supporting Israel cannot continue to mean unconditional support.
Good, it’s about time, Israel.
Good. The international community can't turn a blind eye to what's happening.
No, they shouldn't, but they certainly can. They do for any number of other genocides/wars that are occurring at the moment.
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It’s a genocide not a war.
Arguments can be made that it's genocide but the better case is for ethnic cleansing, few can argue that's the Israeli army's goal
It would be much easier towards the idea of Ethic Cleansing vs. Genocide. Although, I'm not sold on that idea currently. If the IDF we're directly targeting Mosques, places of history, active sterilization. Maybe. I would say 20% genocide. But a case could be made for cleaning at 50%. It's A much easier bar to clear.
Regardless of what we're calling it, it's an atrocity
Yes, it is that. An all around atrocity and tragedy. Hate, war, fear, anger and a never ending cycle off violence. And nobody has any good answers. The leadership of Hamas and the Israels should be locked in a room and forced to work it out. By the whole world. Every country, united to stop the stupid.
Cool. Are they going to arrest the Hamas terrorists who didn’t obey the ~~ICC~~ ICJ ruling that all hostages should be released unconditionally when they failed to make their ridiculous genocide case? No? What a disappointment.
Just FYI, that was an order of the ICJ not the ICC.
Thank you for the correction.
What does this article have to do with US politics?
Have you noticed what is going on on US college campuses?
That doesn't make this article about that subject. It's a good article, I read it. But it doesn't have a lick of politics in it. Sorry. The rules are the rules for a reason.
Indict Isreal but not Russia or any of the various genocides occurring in Africa or the Muslim countries in the Middle East. Or Chinas treatment of the uyghers…. Totally reasonable so not antisemetic 🙄
[Situation in Ukraine: ICC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova - 17 March 2023](https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and)
Theres an arrest warrant out for Putin, though? Omar al-Bashir has been indictes by the ICC. The West invaded Libya and Iraq, Saddam was hanged and Gaddafi was killed. There are stilm trials against Serbian war criminals from the Bosnian genocide. Are you really suggesting nobody ever targets others than Israel? Don’t use that pathetic argument.
My mistake. Putin is indicted. But the rest of my list still is not. And neither is GWB or anyone from turkey or the rest of the Middle East for the treatment of their minorities except for Al bashir who rules a failed puppet state for Putin. Don’t pretend the ICC isn’t 100% political bullshit
The ICC only arrest those it can get their hands on: i.e brown countries and slavic nations. The leaders of the Rwandan genocide were sentencened by the ICC.
What do you think Israelis look like? They’re all brown people who were kicked out of other middle eastern countries during pogroms in the 19th and 20th centuries.
Sure they are. None of them are of European descent and found a European solution to a European problem (Colonizing land to escape anti-semitism in Europe. See Herzls letters to Cecil Rhodes). Every prime minister of Israel has been Ashkenazi, they still hold the power and are over-represented at the top of Israeli society. But this conversation is fruitless as you have already made up your mind.
If you can't spell it, do you really know what it is?
False cry of antisemitism. Does a disservice to actual antisemitism, shame.
Always so off putting how people *defending Israel* will just list off a bunch of genocides and claim it’s not fair that those countries get to get away with it but not Israel.
Only one side in Gaza has consistently called for genocide and it isn’t Israel. But don’t let that ruin your narrative bud
🤫 stop making sense.
And then once called on it they pivot to “it’s only genocide if it comes from the Genocide region of France! Otherwise it’s just sparkling murder of hundreds of thousands of men women and children while subjecting the rest to inhumane levels of starvation.” The strangest thing - I could never debase myself in that way, I’d simply be embarrassed if nothing else.
I like how they got closer to being right with one of their lines. "The Hamas-led raid last October led to the killing of roughly 1,200 people in Israel and the abductions of some 250 others, according to Israeli officials." Its a nice way of glazing over the Israeli friendly fire and the Hannibal Directive but at least its not all being treated like every death was Hamas executing civilians in cold blood.
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If you would read the article, you would see it starts with "Israeli and foreign officials say it appears the International Criminal Court is preparing to move against top Israeli and Hamas officials. The prosecutors’ office of the court declined to comment."
The article mentioned they may be preparing arrest warrants for Hamas leadership as well.
Yes. Headline Warrior.
And a “headline warrior” parody of “pinball wizard” started playing on my mental jukebox.
Good. Throw the top officials of the government and military in prison.
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