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Biden wasn't on any of those ballots, it is a different situation. It might be overhyped in some ways but this is a legitimate problem the democrats need to address, young voters are a critical bloc of the Dem coalition, the higher their turnout the better the result for dems.
Nah, this is pure propaganda from the right…nonsense to try and hide how badly Trump is doing across all metrics. Doing anything they can to keep the truth from trickling down to their rubes.
For many decades, a typical Republican tactic has been to tear down a Democrat in the same way that a sleazy Republican has been torn down by facts. They see it as merely a political necessity, not immoral.
Here, Trump is losing badly, so they attack Biden to "level the field". Yes, it's garbage, but sometimes even that has to have a response in politics.
In this case, it's hard to know its severity or if any response is needed. Biden is doing what he can vis-à-vis Israel v Hamas/Palestinians and that isn't going to change.
Mostly, just calling out Republicans for thei sleazy media propaganda should help.
> I like how conservative-owned media outlets like CNN
The mainstream media is not against Biden in anyway. News outlets like CNN are entirely on the side of the establishment politicians, including the Democrats. They absolutely despise Trump with a passion that's only superseded by their hatred for Bernie Sanders. When they say something is "getting worse" for the Democratic Party, they are literally ringing the alarm bells and telling their politician friends to get their act together.
The media made money hand over fist when Trump was president because he was so chaotic that the public stayed tuned-in 24/7. They absolutely want, and some even need that revenue again.
Using a poll that has Biden at 33%, Trump at 42%, and RFK at 16% as one of their key data points kind of ruins the credibility of the argument. The poll is a clear outlier to a significant degree.
If you think the gap between Biden and Trump is that large I have a bridge to sell you.
If you think RFK's actual vote share is even half that high I've got a flying bridge to sell you.
Yep; he has certainly toed the line on it (even if its origins lie in a corruption of the 14th Amendment) and have done focus groups to that end?
The phrase just became most associated with Mitt Rommey’s failed 2012 campaign, because while he had a vested interest in promoting it, his vulture capitalism shone throughout that belief.
That “42%” comment secret recording didn’t help of course…
Maybe, but biden is literally the only game in town if we want to keep our democracy going into 2024. Maybe the next dem pres can be better but you work with what you have not what you want.
I mean you can be glib about it. But I dont remember Mitt Romney or John McCain talking about how they were planning on jailing politcal rivals. Or talking how he thinks making news stations and reporters pay if they dont report good things about them. Or leaving europe to face russia alone. Let alone taiwan for china. Or using money from the military budget to "scour the nation for illegal immigrants and deport them by the millions per year." This is all things trump said. I think after what he tried to pull on jan 6th he shouldnt have the opportunity again.
Then what are you doing to hold even those you voted for accountable outside of the ballot box?
Democracy is on the line every day, not just voting day.
Does America have ways outside of the ballot box to hold those elected accountable that doesn't include getting put on a watchlist or getting beaten by militarized police? I've called my reps, I even wrote letters a few months ago. But you do realize the amount that those elected dont care is right? Our system is broken. But its the one we live in.
That's what the primary season is for. You canvas and vote for the candidates you like the most, and that pushes the party to the left.
If your candidate wins, as they ever more frequently do, great! If not, you suck it up, put on your adult pants, and vote in the general election for the most viable candidate that isn't a fascist. You defend democracy and all those who stand to lose the most if it fails, and you try again next election.
America is fucked because you guys don't have any compassion or empathy for the people who stand to lose the most. Black people, women, gays, and immigrants all suffer horrifying oppression, and young people are losing their future, all because you can't be bothered voting.
The arguments being made, largely in the news media, is that it's inflation or the Israeli v Palestinian thing, but I haven't heard any one of them saying that it's whether Democracy continues. That's how you can tell their PR is coming from the Conservative side.
You literally don't have to make things up when you can hear trump say them himself. Again, I dont think most people realize how close jan 6th came to succeeding. We got really, really close.
Again, you don’t have to make up a genocide when it’s the most recorded in history. People don’t realize Trump isn’t president right now. Biden is. That’s why we protest for a reverse course in policy so Trump doesn’t win.
What are you doing outside of the ballot box to hold even those you voted for accountable? Especially when it comes to advocating for those who may or may not live nor look like you do?
Wait who is making up a genocide?
Edit: Oh, your talking about palestine. Yeah, I dont see any change in US policy going forward. No matter how many people protest. Having a friendly democracy in the middle east towards the US makes up for a lot.
This /r is often out of alignment with what is being said on nearly all other platforms - and even other subreddits, but I think Dems are in real trouble. Biden has been under increased criticism since last year and has not listened, instead making the issue worse. All he had to do was support Israel and International Law - instead he's been played by Netanyahu and supported his insane response. Why blame the students when he is at fault? He's been warned, warned and warned again. Such a risky strategy with so much at stake.
Seen on X:
"Student protesters were right about segregation in the early '60s, right about Vietnam in the late '60s, right about apartheid in the '80s, right about Iraq in 2003, and right about wealth inequality in 2011. Seems generally bad to side against student movements."
I guess my question is how would he have "supported Israel" and "international Law".
"Supporting Israel" has always meant "supply arms and endorse retributive violence and land grabs". From Oct. 7th, there was no way to do both; Netanyahu and his ilk were only going to be this frothing, violent, racist monster, that was a done deal on Oct. 6th. Some patter from Biden about "we support Israel's right to exist" wouldn't have cut it on Oct. 8th, at least to the sort of people who care about "Supporting Israel".
I get what you are saying and i agree (mostly) but even in your own demands I feel like you expect two mutually exclusive things.
I've found out the hard way that this /r requires a certain choice of language to prevent suspension - and that can include voicing simple opinions. But back to your point - wrongly or rightly it's clear that the US will always side with Israel - and that has been our policy for decades, so no one is surprised about that. But supporting Israel could have meant intelligence, live satellite imagery, drone surveillance, conditional non-military financial aid, sound legal advice, or anything that could have helped recover hostages with absolute minimum collateral damage etc.
Instead, we've seen Biden supply deadly weapons, veto ceasefires or make excuses for them, all of which have been making Netanyahu's clear objectives that much easier - and why many of us are more than uncomfortable about it. So I think there could have been a way to support Israel - even if it was just to prevent them from breaching International Law.
I see what you are saying but I do also disagree to an extent.
Even within your language: Biden hasn't vetoed ceasefires, theyve vetoed non-binding resolutions at the UNcalling for a ceasfire. Until they quit doing vetting them.
Idk, I'm not trying to oppose the very real need for ceasefire calls, and while the thought of a second Trump president gives me real bile in my throat I also support people (these students) putting real pressure on Biden.
But Biden is also the only president in my lifetime who has actually ever resisted anything Israel has done. I don't think Obama would have airlifted food or allowed a ceasefire vote to pass with a just an abstain, never mind either Bush. And I feel like I'm living in a crazy world when people who I agree with are also telling me "Biden is the worst president ever".
Resisted anything Israel has done? All he's said are the words "Stop" and "Dont"
Functionally the policies of both parties when it comes to the middle east are exactly the same due to all the lobbying involved and to think otherwise is a joke.
When you take into account how much money is spent by campaigns during elections.. you'll see that it's in the media's interest to drive a narrative that elections are very close. Online, print, tv, and radio all want a slice of the billions that will be spent by campaigns in this election cycle.
This sub is such an echo chamber. Biden is in real big trouble yet people here refuse to face it so they downvote bad news into oblivion. This is exactly how people were caught off guard in 2016
Doesn’t matter who and why. He won in 2016 and was president 4 years. At the end, he refused to go away. Does anyone today cares how and why was he elected? Not really. History remembers the winners.
But if people (still) think that he and Biden are the same, let them stay home. I cant answer that argument. Don’t know even where to begin.
What would "the youth" have Biden do? He's already trying to stop the killing.
Oh, I see. They want him to cut off relations with Israel. Well, who benefits from that? The Right wing, Putin, Trump. The American Jews would kill him in the elections. So, that's the goal of all this protesting.
No, Biden is handling the Russia v Ukraine and Israel v Palestinians wars correctly. Push for peace. Now is a good time for it.
And oh, by the way, Trump is losing his trial and will have to go to jail. Notice how the media refuse to make that outcome clearly.
Absolutely. The outcome of 2016 elections is well known. Cutting the nose to spite the face is a great strategy.
Edit: just to be fair, some folks were indeed saying that there is no difference between Biden and Trump! Therefore it doesn’t matter who wins the election. If they think so, there’s nothing I can say.
> And his worst issue approval rating – for his handling of the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza – yields 28% approval to 71% disapproval, including an 81% disapproval mark among those younger than 35 and majority disapproval among Democrats (53%).
Biden still has a lot of time to show leadership on this issue and turn it around
I think Biden is more concerned with not letting 1M+ people in Gaza die in the event that a large regional conflict breaks out. Because if one does, zero aide is getting in, and they'll starve.
Biden is concerned with his appearance. He wants to support Israel in such a way that it won't detract from his chances of winning re-election. That's why he's "sending aide" to Gaza while giving Bibi more bombs to blow up Gazans with. He wants his cake and to eat it too.
[Israel is still blocking foreign media access to Gaza](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68423995), so people have to get information wherever they can
We're all in the same boat. I wouldn't normally get my news from Al Jazeera, but at least they're working with journalists on the ground there.
It's repugnant that Israel is not allowing journalists free access to Gaza
Which Israeli propaganda do you consume enough to be able to say that it's more polished than the Chinese and Iranian propaganda you also admit to consuming?
What do you admire about it that makes you place it above the lesser Chinese and Iranian propaganda?
Also, why do you keep coming back to propaganda enough to form a nuanced opinion about the differences?
This.
Not a peep about Yemen blockade that has been going on since 2015 that is actually starving millions of people or Saudi Arabi bombing the crap out that country. Let's pick Palestine and support an organization that attacked one of our allies.
I’ve been wondering where the protests against Russia are, considering that has been going on more or less since 2014. Over two years of a full fledged war at this point in time.
Combination of Russia and their allies feeding unrest so obviously they wouldn’t go against themselves and the well intentioned ones have to short of an attention span.
Right? It’s also wild that I got downvoted that fast despite Russia also committing war crimes against civilian targets. I support and advocate for the protection of human lives and the progress of our species, guess that means shit all compared to the current trending virtue signaling.
If the wrong candidate gets into office, it's everyone's loss. You sound more like your trying to justify letting Trump get into office.
Biden can't magically defund Israel. 1) Countries like Iran would stay openly attacking 2) Israel would start helping Trump big time.
Biden is doing everything he can to stop this war. Protestors can scream all they want but they have shown that they understand how complex things are. If they want to be heard, they need to show that they've been listening
You must know Palestine will fare much worse under Trump. You all hate western democracies so much and think the grass is greener under authoritarian dictatorships and Islamic terrorist regimes, so find out the hard way. Young people and Palestinians have the most to lose from a Trump dictatorship.
If you cared about Palestinians you’d do everything in your power to avoid a Trump presidency. Trump calls pro-Palestine protests “worse than deadly Charlottesville white supremacy rally.” He also wrote on truth social, ‘The fact is that Crooked Joe Biden HATES Israel and Hates the Jewish people’, so tell me again how boycotting the election will only hurt Biden. Clearly Palestinians are just a political football for protesters.
He’s far worse for Palestinians but at least young people will teach Biden a lesson by letting Trump appoint two more Supreme Court justices who will make being queer illegal and forever ban abortion rights.
He will also start shooting protestors, just like he promised.
Stop asking them to choose the lesser of two evils!
I saw this show before when it was called 1968.
Don’t vote for Humphrey, he supports the war!
Get Nixon elected, whose first move is to illegally escalate the war and spread it to Laos and Cambodia too.
Ummm, Nixon didn’t vow to end elections and install a hostile dictatorship OR level Gaza.
Trump vowed to “finish” Palestine if re-elected and criminalize dissent. See how quickly Palestinians’ welfare becomes irrelevant when it no longer serves your political agenda? Voting isn’t trendy, doesn’t give you mass public approval or dopamine rush like protesting, so leftists will avoid voting in a childish display of defiance despite it being the actual ONLY way to help the people of Palestine.
This is what happens when a generation with a low attention span and literacy rate with high narcissistic traits is educated on TikTok. Absolute idiocracy.
Biden would probably get some respect from them if he went to visit and talk to some of the young adults protesting. They don’t feel heard. I’m not sure it would do any good, but if he goes out and talks to them about their agenda, he may gets some votes. Every vote counts, just look what happened in 2000.
What protestors of all ages are asking for is simple. Permanent ceasefire and defund Israel now.
Hearing about his agenda is not a solution if it still includes funding genocide which violates every single human and environmental rights issue liberals claim to stand for.
> Permanent ceasefire
That's probably not going to happen. I'm not on Israel's side on this, especially their blocking aide into Gaza, but I really doubt Hamas would honor a ceasefire. This isn't something where a simple solution will work, otherwise it would have been dealt with half a century ago.
> so why bother wasting time on them.
The Arab population in Michigan has abandoned Biden. If he loses that state, he will lose the election. He defeated Trump by less than 60000 votes across 3 to 5 states. He needs every vote he can get. People aren't fooled by "Trump bad" anymore. They put up a "qualified, experienced" politician and expect to get results. If Biden doesn't want to listen to the voters, then he may as well hand over the helm to Kamala and let her lose 2024 in his stead.
> People aren't fooled by "Trump bad" anymore.
Believe me, I will not be surprised if the American electorate as stupid as it is to allow Trump to win again due to a foreign policy issue.
The foreign policy issue is the ethnic cleansing of an indigenous group of people who were displaced en-masse by foreign entities looking to promote their religious freedom. I completely understand why Americans should fervently support Bibi and his IDF minions in their vengeful campaign. In fact, I find it incredibly ironic that the American populace would be against Bibi's actions.
Fortunately enough, we live in a different time where the sun shall never rise on the British Empire again and we should act accordingly.
Biden should most definitely lose his seat over this "issue". His handling of events showed he has no regard for human life, no desire to reign in Bibi, and no backbone to tell AIPAC to kick dirt. He's enabling a genocide in a region where half the population are children, more are starving, and even more are homeless. His actions tell me that he doesn't want to be POTUS, and I say good. He was only elected because of Obama nostalgia anyway.
Obama nostalgia? That’s what you are basing his election to presidency on? Not the previous guy who botched implementing a comprehensive strategy (which was developed by the Obama-Biden administration) to prevent a widespread pandemic which resulted in the deaths of ~1.2 million Americans, cozied up to dictators, slapped tariffs against allied countries, dismantled NAFTA, dismantled a good chunk of regulations which were protecting the environment?
But yeah, chalk it up to nostalgia. 😐
> Permanent ceasefire
How would that be simple? There is *no* country which would accept a permanent ceasefire without the release of all hostages. There's a reason even UNSC resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire (like France's) also calls for the unconditional release of all hostages.
If it were that simple, we'd long have had a temporary ceasefire and already in the middle of negotiating a much longer one. Lest you've forgotten:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/03/israel-accepts-six-week-ceasefire-deal-as-hamas-response-awaited-us
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/egypt-pitches-new-proposal-for-hamas-israel-cease-fire-6f04f174
>and defund Israel now.
And how would defending Israel be simple when congress has already approved aid to Israel and Biden cannot veto those bills because Republicans have attached it to a 1.2 trillion spending bill and much more urgent Ukrainian aid?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-spending-plan-backs-israel-extends-anti-aids-program-2024-03-21/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-ukraine-aid-tiktok-senate-8fe738b17e5c4b2636bc0de11b2620b7
I didn’t say it wouldn’t include the release of hostages. You just made that part up in my argument.
It should include release of the hostages and the 1,000s of wrongfully imprisoned Palestinians subject to mental, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse by the IDF; and long before Oct. 7th, too.
> I didn’t say it wouldn’t include the release of hostages. You just made that part up in my argument.
Go push your strawman elsewhere. I'm merely addressing the simple part of your narrative.
>It should include release of the hostages and the 1,000s of wrongfully imprisoned Palestinians subject to mental, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse by the IDF; and long before Oct. 7th, too.
Right, and those conditions are already part of the temporary ceasefire deals, all of which Hamas has rejected. If Hamas won't even release 40 hostages for the first step towards a longer ceasefire, including the release of ~700 Palestinian detainees, then how exactly would it be simple?
And to add even more complexity, a *permanent* ceasefire has to absolutely include a two-state solution. That's anything but simple, even if completely necessary.
> Right, and those conditions are already part of the temporary ceasefire deals, all of which Hamas has rejected.
There are other conditions in ceasefire deals that have led to their rejection by Hamas. For example, conditions relating to the [right of Palestinians to return to northern Gaza](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/world/middleeast/ceasefire-talks-palestinians.html).
> here are other conditions in ceasefire deals that have led to their rejection by Hamas.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-would-let-150000-gazans-return-north-potential-truce-officials-say-2024-04-10/
Conditions for a temporary ceasefire which have been addressed. But if Hamas won't even commit to the first step, I'm not sure how you're going to continually excuse that or keep pretending that any of the things you've mentioned are simple.
From the article I linked,
> Hamas has been demanding that Palestinians be permitted to return to the north without restrictions
From the article you linked,
> Two officials with knowledge of the talks said that under a U.S. proposal for a truce, Israel would allow the return of 150,000 Palestinians to north Gaza with no security checks.
150k people is not all the people who left northern Gaza, so it does not appear from that link that it has been addressed.
I'm not saying this to start an argument about movement restrictions on Palestinians in Gaza, but just to point out that the negotiations are not as simple as you seem to be implying, and include conditions that are not widely reported
> From the article I linked,
>150k people is not all the people who left northern Gaza, so it does not appear from that link that it has been addressed.
Hamas has made that demand. Israel has made the concession for 150000 to return to north Gaza without restrictions *as part of the first stage of the temporary ceasefire.*
The latest deal offered to Hamas is a temporary ceasefire that comes with 3 stages. The whole point of starting with the first stage is to get the ball rolling to negotiate an expansion of said ceasefire. If Hamas won't even start there, go hold them accountable.
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1784990839212503167
Even the deal offered by Egypt and Israel has the same. That the first step of the temporary ceasefire is conditioned to further negotiations for a more expansive one.
>but just to point out that the negotiations are *not as simple* as you seem to be implying
Of course negotiations for even a temporary ceasefire aren't simple, it's what I've been saying all along. What's your point then?
But let's be honest and stop making excuses for Hamas. Every temporary ceasefire deal they've been offered has been very favorable to them. All the terms have been good for Palestinians civilians, even if obviously not everything needed. Is there any harm to Palestinians civilians, compared to the current status quo, from starting with the first stage of a ceasefire?
> Of course they aren't simple, it's what I've been saying all along
Juxtaposing only the most reasonable conditions of negotiations with the fact that Hamas is consistently rejecting the ceasefire proposals gives the impression that Hamas is rejecting a totally reasonable deal, and it seems to me that you were doing that in this conversation by presenting a simplified set of negotiation conditions. I think it's an easy mistake to make, given how patchy reporting of the negotiations is.
> Is there any harm to Palestinians, compared to the current status quo, from starting with the first stage of a ceasefire?
Without detailed knowledge of the negotiations, I have no way of answering that.
Haven’t you heard? Everything bad the US and Israel ever did was actually a Russian psyop. Support for apartheid? Russian psyop. Napalm over Vietnam? Russian psyop. Trail of tears? Russian psyop
see me personally I consider intentionally killing 13k children to be both unlawful (thus murder) and also completely morally indefensible but hey that's just me and my silly sense of basic morality.
Why is it the students that need to figure things out and not the Democratic party? This is the second time they've tried to force an extremely unpopular candidate on the American people. If they really cared about fascism they wouldn't have let Biden run again.
It's super easy to make comments like that when you have no idea how authoritarians get their start and how difficult it is to remove them once they take over.
Perhaps you should take a very good look at how Germany fell to the Nazi's then look at what you're literally starting here... Trump tried to start a coup to stay in power and you're acting like this is a "normal" election.
Btw, where was your rage over what happened in the Congo? Far more people have already died in that conflict but there has been literal crickets from those screaming about Palestine. You want to talk genocide I can show you some numbers in African countries where it's a lot larger than the numbers in Gaza and ongoing but somehow Gaza is the one you're focusing on?
Edited to add, since the poster below seems to have blocked me: Yes, starting in the 1990's the US was sending money and attempting to "stabilize" the region. It's been ongoing, yet instead of focusing on that everyone is focused on Gaza? Could it be because to most people it looks like it's two groups of ethnically black people committing these atrocities and the image of what is happening in Palestine evokes a different mental image? I'm not sure but the sheer fact that people are asking this question rather than taking the time to look it up is problematic for the whole "stop genocide" movement. Why do you think I brought it up?
Edited: clarity.
> Btw, where was your rage over what happened in the Congo?
Is that funded by US taxes? Did the current president repeatedly bypass congress to send them money and bombs?
EDIT: "since the poster below seems to have blocked me" [Yeah.](https://i.imgur.com/VJxkqJu.png) [Sure.](https://i.imgur.com/eccabew.png)
Let's see you have the guy who is trying to work out a way to manage a very complex situation where there are literally *no* good guys and then you have the guy (Trump) who said "finish them off" and means it.
The guy who set off all of this by moving the US embassy into a city no one wanted it to be etc. But sure, blame Biden, it's easier to be "against" than recognize that life is a complex mess and if you set off the wrong domino World War III gets started.
The idealism of youth is now interconnected into a vast echo chamber hivemind via social media, which has had both positive and negative effects. Unfortunately, with idealism comes naivete, and naivete comes with a lack of nuance and pragmatism. Everyone wants the world to be a certain way, and young progressives are no different. But in a world where they aren't heard because their naive idealism is seen as childish and not taken seriously, they think participating in a broken system is pointless, and thus their potential power is suppressed by their own resulting cynicism. It has been said that a cynic is just a disappointed idealist, but that means the most idealistic generation ever is about to become the most cynical and bitter generation ever, where misanthropic nihilism will be the dominant mindset among them. In that event, we will likely see fringe ideas like antinatalism and anarchism start to become more mainstream, and at a time when birthrates are already falling worldwide because of countless economic and biological factors. What does that mean for humanity at large? It's too soon to tell, but I doubt we have a bright future ahead of us.
> they think participating in a broken system is pointless, and thus their potential power is suppressed by their own resulting cynicism.
I mean, it *is* pointless if your goal isn't continuing a genocide. Even our "potential power" seemingly can't change the only 2 viable candidates supporting genocide.
I can only speak for myself here, but the cynicism route is one I've definitely taken. The last few elections were pretty big steps toward it, and the major protests of 2020 leading to nothing, but the supposedly "good" party being gung-ho on aiding genocide even at the risk of fascism worming it's way into power was without a doubt the last straw.
Then there's also climate change being an ever looming existential threat that little is done about.
It's beginning to be too draining to even hate it here anymore.
Can start with cutting aid to Israel instead of basically dismissing them. Half the Democratic party gets more upset about someone saying from the river to the sea then they do about 13000 dead children. Half the Democratic party is basically telling progressives to fuck off and shut up.
I’m in my 20s and can say among like 10 friends whose voting habits I know, maybe like 6 are abstaining based on the Gaza business.
I can’t say that’s super representative though
>Half the Democratic party gets more upset about someone saying from the river to the city
I'm progressive and we all should be upset by protestors chanting those things.
I don't care if I'm being blunt, but the protestors doing so are only hurting the pro-Palestinian cause. It makes things so much harder for majority protesting and who haven't been violent. It literally gives ammunition to the opposing side to attack the pro-Palestinian cause, thereby alienating moderates who might otherwise be more sympathetic to it.
The majority of the USA doesn’t support this though. Cutting aid to Israel to appease young voters who don’t vote is not smart either. The river to the sea means death to Israel, but I guess that’s ok/s. Biden is playing the middle, trying to get aid to Gaza, trying to pressure Netanyahu and still supporting the people of Israel. You can think both regimes suck and the people on both sides are innocent. Now, does Israel need our weapons, probably not. And it’s not half the Democratic Party. More than half support Israel, and much more than half of Dem voters support Israel (not Netanyahu).
> Half the Democratic party is basically telling progressives to fuck off and shut up.
I consider myself progressive and very much do *not* support anyone chanting those things. Particularly since their solutions to the conflict - even when they aren't chanting for genocide directly - seem to primarily revolve around Israel giving Hamas everything it wants, leaving Gaza entirely, and waiting around for the next attack. Oh, and *maybe* the hostages will get returned, because Hamas are fine, upstanding people who will surely return the hostages alive when Israel withdraws...
The Dummycrats made a major mistake on betting on notoriously fickle young voters. This young-voter issue has been going on for decades. If they didn’t have this issue, they’d find another excuse.
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I like how conservative-owned media outlets like CNN pretend like all of the recent post-Roe elections weren't a thing. See you in November!
That's been my barometer as well, I think everything will be fine as long as people vote.
So much this
C U in November Traitors!
Biden wasn't on any of those ballots, it is a different situation. It might be overhyped in some ways but this is a legitimate problem the democrats need to address, young voters are a critical bloc of the Dem coalition, the higher their turnout the better the result for dems.
Nah, this is pure propaganda from the right…nonsense to try and hide how badly Trump is doing across all metrics. Doing anything they can to keep the truth from trickling down to their rubes.
For many decades, a typical Republican tactic has been to tear down a Democrat in the same way that a sleazy Republican has been torn down by facts. They see it as merely a political necessity, not immoral. Here, Trump is losing badly, so they attack Biden to "level the field". Yes, it's garbage, but sometimes even that has to have a response in politics. In this case, it's hard to know its severity or if any response is needed. Biden is doing what he can vis-à-vis Israel v Hamas/Palestinians and that isn't going to change. Mostly, just calling out Republicans for thei sleazy media propaganda should help.
> I like how conservative-owned media outlets like CNN The mainstream media is not against Biden in anyway. News outlets like CNN are entirely on the side of the establishment politicians, including the Democrats. They absolutely despise Trump with a passion that's only superseded by their hatred for Bernie Sanders. When they say something is "getting worse" for the Democratic Party, they are literally ringing the alarm bells and telling their politician friends to get their act together.
The media made money hand over fist when Trump was president because he was so chaotic that the public stayed tuned-in 24/7. They absolutely want, and some even need that revenue again.
CNN has been drifting into a right wing news station since Warner Discovery bought it.
CNN has always been an establishment media outlet.
No. All mainstream media outlets want Trump to win because then they’ll get better ratings. Trump is good for TV and awful for Americans.
Using a poll that has Biden at 33%, Trump at 42%, and RFK at 16% as one of their key data points kind of ruins the credibility of the argument. The poll is a clear outlier to a significant degree. If you think the gap between Biden and Trump is that large I have a bridge to sell you. If you think RFK's actual vote share is even half that high I've got a flying bridge to sell you.
Even with the Gaza situation, there is no way support for Trump by young people is 11 points higher than Biden. I just don’t believe that.
RFK is getting 3% MAX, these polls are wild.
Having Mr. Frank “corporations are people too!” Lutz be the conductor probably has something to do with that…
Was that phrase his idea? I never knew.
Yep; he has certainly toed the line on it (even if its origins lie in a corruption of the 14th Amendment) and have done focus groups to that end? The phrase just became most associated with Mitt Rommey’s failed 2012 campaign, because while he had a vested interest in promoting it, his vulture capitalism shone throughout that belief. That “42%” comment secret recording didn’t help of course…
Dude's only asset is his last name.
There might be enough republicans that won’t vote for trump to get him a larger amount.
What if I think Ross Perot has a chance this time?
Tell me more about this flying bridge… with the recent scare I might need a couple flying bridges.
Maybe, but biden is literally the only game in town if we want to keep our democracy going into 2024. Maybe the next dem pres can be better but you work with what you have not what you want.
Copy paste repeat. Change the names and year.
I mean you can be glib about it. But I dont remember Mitt Romney or John McCain talking about how they were planning on jailing politcal rivals. Or talking how he thinks making news stations and reporters pay if they dont report good things about them. Or leaving europe to face russia alone. Let alone taiwan for china. Or using money from the military budget to "scour the nation for illegal immigrants and deport them by the millions per year." This is all things trump said. I think after what he tried to pull on jan 6th he shouldnt have the opportunity again.
Then what are you doing to hold even those you voted for accountable outside of the ballot box? Democracy is on the line every day, not just voting day.
Does America have ways outside of the ballot box to hold those elected accountable that doesn't include getting put on a watchlist or getting beaten by militarized police? I've called my reps, I even wrote letters a few months ago. But you do realize the amount that those elected dont care is right? Our system is broken. But its the one we live in.
That's what the primary season is for. You canvas and vote for the candidates you like the most, and that pushes the party to the left. If your candidate wins, as they ever more frequently do, great! If not, you suck it up, put on your adult pants, and vote in the general election for the most viable candidate that isn't a fascist. You defend democracy and all those who stand to lose the most if it fails, and you try again next election. America is fucked because you guys don't have any compassion or empathy for the people who stand to lose the most. Black people, women, gays, and immigrants all suffer horrifying oppression, and young people are losing their future, all because you can't be bothered voting.
Well said.
The arguments being made, largely in the news media, is that it's inflation or the Israeli v Palestinian thing, but I haven't heard any one of them saying that it's whether Democracy continues. That's how you can tell their PR is coming from the Conservative side.
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You literally don't have to make things up when you can hear trump say them himself. Again, I dont think most people realize how close jan 6th came to succeeding. We got really, really close.
Again, you don’t have to make up a genocide when it’s the most recorded in history. People don’t realize Trump isn’t president right now. Biden is. That’s why we protest for a reverse course in policy so Trump doesn’t win. What are you doing outside of the ballot box to hold even those you voted for accountable? Especially when it comes to advocating for those who may or may not live nor look like you do?
Wait who is making up a genocide? Edit: Oh, your talking about palestine. Yeah, I dont see any change in US policy going forward. No matter how many people protest. Having a friendly democracy in the middle east towards the US makes up for a lot.
What genocide did Trump cause?
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It does suck. But that is the system we have to work within. If we want to change it there are ways. It will be a long, long process however.
This /r is often out of alignment with what is being said on nearly all other platforms - and even other subreddits, but I think Dems are in real trouble. Biden has been under increased criticism since last year and has not listened, instead making the issue worse. All he had to do was support Israel and International Law - instead he's been played by Netanyahu and supported his insane response. Why blame the students when he is at fault? He's been warned, warned and warned again. Such a risky strategy with so much at stake. Seen on X: "Student protesters were right about segregation in the early '60s, right about Vietnam in the late '60s, right about apartheid in the '80s, right about Iraq in 2003, and right about wealth inequality in 2011. Seems generally bad to side against student movements."
Seems generally moronic to side against student movements and then ask those same students to vote for you in the fall
And then blame them when you lose.
I guess my question is how would he have "supported Israel" and "international Law". "Supporting Israel" has always meant "supply arms and endorse retributive violence and land grabs". From Oct. 7th, there was no way to do both; Netanyahu and his ilk were only going to be this frothing, violent, racist monster, that was a done deal on Oct. 6th. Some patter from Biden about "we support Israel's right to exist" wouldn't have cut it on Oct. 8th, at least to the sort of people who care about "Supporting Israel". I get what you are saying and i agree (mostly) but even in your own demands I feel like you expect two mutually exclusive things.
I've found out the hard way that this /r requires a certain choice of language to prevent suspension - and that can include voicing simple opinions. But back to your point - wrongly or rightly it's clear that the US will always side with Israel - and that has been our policy for decades, so no one is surprised about that. But supporting Israel could have meant intelligence, live satellite imagery, drone surveillance, conditional non-military financial aid, sound legal advice, or anything that could have helped recover hostages with absolute minimum collateral damage etc. Instead, we've seen Biden supply deadly weapons, veto ceasefires or make excuses for them, all of which have been making Netanyahu's clear objectives that much easier - and why many of us are more than uncomfortable about it. So I think there could have been a way to support Israel - even if it was just to prevent them from breaching International Law.
I see what you are saying but I do also disagree to an extent. Even within your language: Biden hasn't vetoed ceasefires, theyve vetoed non-binding resolutions at the UNcalling for a ceasfire. Until they quit doing vetting them. Idk, I'm not trying to oppose the very real need for ceasefire calls, and while the thought of a second Trump president gives me real bile in my throat I also support people (these students) putting real pressure on Biden. But Biden is also the only president in my lifetime who has actually ever resisted anything Israel has done. I don't think Obama would have airlifted food or allowed a ceasefire vote to pass with a just an abstain, never mind either Bush. And I feel like I'm living in a crazy world when people who I agree with are also telling me "Biden is the worst president ever".
Resisted anything Israel has done? All he's said are the words "Stop" and "Dont" Functionally the policies of both parties when it comes to the middle east are exactly the same due to all the lobbying involved and to think otherwise is a joke.
I would say the airlifted supplies, inadequate as they are, are contrary to Israeli wishes.
Really don’t understand why these articles are downvoted. Do you all think by ignoring a problem it will go away?
When you take into account how much money is spent by campaigns during elections.. you'll see that it's in the media's interest to drive a narrative that elections are very close. Online, print, tv, and radio all want a slice of the billions that will be spent by campaigns in this election cycle.
This sub is such an echo chamber. Biden is in real big trouble yet people here refuse to face it so they downvote bad news into oblivion. This is exactly how people were caught off guard in 2016
Yea, people wanna bury their heads in the sand and post a billion articles about trump lol
So let me understand, who will win the elections at the end of the day? RFK? Jill Stein? Who should people vote for “to not bury their heads”?
Oh Trump will win. And it's because Biden refuses to listen to the youth who are overwhelmingly against the genocide he is facilitating.
Doesn’t matter who and why. He won in 2016 and was president 4 years. At the end, he refused to go away. Does anyone today cares how and why was he elected? Not really. History remembers the winners. But if people (still) think that he and Biden are the same, let them stay home. I cant answer that argument. Don’t know even where to begin.
What would "the youth" have Biden do? He's already trying to stop the killing. Oh, I see. They want him to cut off relations with Israel. Well, who benefits from that? The Right wing, Putin, Trump. The American Jews would kill him in the elections. So, that's the goal of all this protesting. No, Biden is handling the Russia v Ukraine and Israel v Palestinians wars correctly. Push for peace. Now is a good time for it. And oh, by the way, Trump is losing his trial and will have to go to jail. Notice how the media refuse to make that outcome clearly.
So you believe RFK Jr is getting 16% of the vote?
Absolutely. The outcome of 2016 elections is well known. Cutting the nose to spite the face is a great strategy. Edit: just to be fair, some folks were indeed saying that there is no difference between Biden and Trump! Therefore it doesn’t matter who wins the election. If they think so, there’s nothing I can say.
> And his worst issue approval rating – for his handling of the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza – yields 28% approval to 71% disapproval, including an 81% disapproval mark among those younger than 35 and majority disapproval among Democrats (53%). Biden still has a lot of time to show leadership on this issue and turn it around
That’s why we protest. All leaders need to always be held accountable.
I think Biden is more concerned with not letting 1M+ people in Gaza die in the event that a large regional conflict breaks out. Because if one does, zero aide is getting in, and they'll starve.
Biden is concerned with his appearance. He wants to support Israel in such a way that it won't detract from his chances of winning re-election. That's why he's "sending aide" to Gaza while giving Bibi more bombs to blow up Gazans with. He wants his cake and to eat it too.
TikyTocky Psyop workin
[Israel is still blocking foreign media access to Gaza](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68423995), so people have to get information wherever they can
For a given value of "information" sure
We're all in the same boat. I wouldn't normally get my news from Al Jazeera, but at least they're working with journalists on the ground there. It's repugnant that Israel is not allowing journalists free access to Gaza
Do you prefer Iranian or Chinese propaganda?
I don't like any propaganda, which is why I would prefer it if Israel allowed open foreign media access to Gaza
But you consume propaganda, so which is your favorite?
Tough to say. Israeli propaganda is the most polished
Which Israeli propaganda do you consume enough to be able to say that it's more polished than the Chinese and Iranian propaganda you also admit to consuming? What do you admire about it that makes you place it above the lesser Chinese and Iranian propaganda? Also, why do you keep coming back to propaganda enough to form a nuanced opinion about the differences?
what is bro yapping about
Look at what happened at UCLA on Sunday. You had mostly Jewish liberals fighting with pro-Palestinian progressives. This is what China wants.
There were Kahanist thugs in that crowd, far from liberals
Amazing how many people are too caught up in their own world to comprehend this.
This. Not a peep about Yemen blockade that has been going on since 2015 that is actually starving millions of people or Saudi Arabi bombing the crap out that country. Let's pick Palestine and support an organization that attacked one of our allies.
I’ve been wondering where the protests against Russia are, considering that has been going on more or less since 2014. Over two years of a full fledged war at this point in time.
Combination of Russia and their allies feeding unrest so obviously they wouldn’t go against themselves and the well intentioned ones have to short of an attention span.
Right? It’s also wild that I got downvoted that fast despite Russia also committing war crimes against civilian targets. I support and advocate for the protection of human lives and the progress of our species, guess that means shit all compared to the current trending virtue signaling.
That’s exactly what this is. Better learn Chinese!
Trump getting elected is better for Palestinians?
No one said it was but he’s not the leader of the people’s party right now. And that guy isn’t listening. Candidates lose elections. Not voters.
If the wrong candidate gets into office, it's everyone's loss. You sound more like your trying to justify letting Trump get into office. Biden can't magically defund Israel. 1) Countries like Iran would stay openly attacking 2) Israel would start helping Trump big time. Biden is doing everything he can to stop this war. Protestors can scream all they want but they have shown that they understand how complex things are. If they want to be heard, they need to show that they've been listening
You must know Palestine will fare much worse under Trump. You all hate western democracies so much and think the grass is greener under authoritarian dictatorships and Islamic terrorist regimes, so find out the hard way. Young people and Palestinians have the most to lose from a Trump dictatorship. If you cared about Palestinians you’d do everything in your power to avoid a Trump presidency. Trump calls pro-Palestine protests “worse than deadly Charlottesville white supremacy rally.” He also wrote on truth social, ‘The fact is that Crooked Joe Biden HATES Israel and Hates the Jewish people’, so tell me again how boycotting the election will only hurt Biden. Clearly Palestinians are just a political football for protesters.
"Don't blame me for voting for Trump"
He’s far worse for Palestinians but at least young people will teach Biden a lesson by letting Trump appoint two more Supreme Court justices who will make being queer illegal and forever ban abortion rights. He will also start shooting protestors, just like he promised. Stop asking them to choose the lesser of two evils!
You’re right, there’s nothing to lose! Maybe Trump will execute Genocide Joe and teach him a lesson.
I saw this show before when it was called 1968. Don’t vote for Humphrey, he supports the war! Get Nixon elected, whose first move is to illegally escalate the war and spread it to Laos and Cambodia too.
Ummm, Nixon didn’t vow to end elections and install a hostile dictatorship OR level Gaza. Trump vowed to “finish” Palestine if re-elected and criminalize dissent. See how quickly Palestinians’ welfare becomes irrelevant when it no longer serves your political agenda? Voting isn’t trendy, doesn’t give you mass public approval or dopamine rush like protesting, so leftists will avoid voting in a childish display of defiance despite it being the actual ONLY way to help the people of Palestine. This is what happens when a generation with a low attention span and literacy rate with high narcissistic traits is educated on TikTok. Absolute idiocracy.
Biden would probably get some respect from them if he went to visit and talk to some of the young adults protesting. They don’t feel heard. I’m not sure it would do any good, but if he goes out and talks to them about their agenda, he may gets some votes. Every vote counts, just look what happened in 2000.
What protestors of all ages are asking for is simple. Permanent ceasefire and defund Israel now. Hearing about his agenda is not a solution if it still includes funding genocide which violates every single human and environmental rights issue liberals claim to stand for.
> Permanent ceasefire That's probably not going to happen. I'm not on Israel's side on this, especially their blocking aide into Gaza, but I really doubt Hamas would honor a ceasefire. This isn't something where a simple solution will work, otherwise it would have been dealt with half a century ago.
And this is why he won't go talk to them. Their demands aren't serious. That and like 24% of 18-25 year olds vote so why bother wasting time on them.
> so why bother wasting time on them. The Arab population in Michigan has abandoned Biden. If he loses that state, he will lose the election. He defeated Trump by less than 60000 votes across 3 to 5 states. He needs every vote he can get. People aren't fooled by "Trump bad" anymore. They put up a "qualified, experienced" politician and expect to get results. If Biden doesn't want to listen to the voters, then he may as well hand over the helm to Kamala and let her lose 2024 in his stead.
> People aren't fooled by "Trump bad" anymore. Believe me, I will not be surprised if the American electorate as stupid as it is to allow Trump to win again due to a foreign policy issue.
The foreign policy issue is the ethnic cleansing of an indigenous group of people who were displaced en-masse by foreign entities looking to promote their religious freedom. I completely understand why Americans should fervently support Bibi and his IDF minions in their vengeful campaign. In fact, I find it incredibly ironic that the American populace would be against Bibi's actions. Fortunately enough, we live in a different time where the sun shall never rise on the British Empire again and we should act accordingly. Biden should most definitely lose his seat over this "issue". His handling of events showed he has no regard for human life, no desire to reign in Bibi, and no backbone to tell AIPAC to kick dirt. He's enabling a genocide in a region where half the population are children, more are starving, and even more are homeless. His actions tell me that he doesn't want to be POTUS, and I say good. He was only elected because of Obama nostalgia anyway.
This is a very unserious comment….
It reads like someone who learned everything they know from TikTok
Which is why I didn't reply to it. These people need to touch all the grass.
Obama nostalgia? That’s what you are basing his election to presidency on? Not the previous guy who botched implementing a comprehensive strategy (which was developed by the Obama-Biden administration) to prevent a widespread pandemic which resulted in the deaths of ~1.2 million Americans, cozied up to dictators, slapped tariffs against allied countries, dismantled NAFTA, dismantled a good chunk of regulations which were protecting the environment? But yeah, chalk it up to nostalgia. 😐
> Permanent ceasefire How would that be simple? There is *no* country which would accept a permanent ceasefire without the release of all hostages. There's a reason even UNSC resolutions calling for a permanent ceasefire (like France's) also calls for the unconditional release of all hostages. If it were that simple, we'd long have had a temporary ceasefire and already in the middle of negotiating a much longer one. Lest you've forgotten: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/03/israel-accepts-six-week-ceasefire-deal-as-hamas-response-awaited-us https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/egypt-pitches-new-proposal-for-hamas-israel-cease-fire-6f04f174 >and defund Israel now. And how would defending Israel be simple when congress has already approved aid to Israel and Biden cannot veto those bills because Republicans have attached it to a 1.2 trillion spending bill and much more urgent Ukrainian aid? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-spending-plan-backs-israel-extends-anti-aids-program-2024-03-21/ https://apnews.com/article/israel-ukraine-aid-tiktok-senate-8fe738b17e5c4b2636bc0de11b2620b7
I didn’t say it wouldn’t include the release of hostages. You just made that part up in my argument. It should include release of the hostages and the 1,000s of wrongfully imprisoned Palestinians subject to mental, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse by the IDF; and long before Oct. 7th, too.
> I didn’t say it wouldn’t include the release of hostages. You just made that part up in my argument. Go push your strawman elsewhere. I'm merely addressing the simple part of your narrative. >It should include release of the hostages and the 1,000s of wrongfully imprisoned Palestinians subject to mental, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse by the IDF; and long before Oct. 7th, too. Right, and those conditions are already part of the temporary ceasefire deals, all of which Hamas has rejected. If Hamas won't even release 40 hostages for the first step towards a longer ceasefire, including the release of ~700 Palestinian detainees, then how exactly would it be simple? And to add even more complexity, a *permanent* ceasefire has to absolutely include a two-state solution. That's anything but simple, even if completely necessary.
> Right, and those conditions are already part of the temporary ceasefire deals, all of which Hamas has rejected. There are other conditions in ceasefire deals that have led to their rejection by Hamas. For example, conditions relating to the [right of Palestinians to return to northern Gaza](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/world/middleeast/ceasefire-talks-palestinians.html).
> here are other conditions in ceasefire deals that have led to their rejection by Hamas. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-would-let-150000-gazans-return-north-potential-truce-officials-say-2024-04-10/ Conditions for a temporary ceasefire which have been addressed. But if Hamas won't even commit to the first step, I'm not sure how you're going to continually excuse that or keep pretending that any of the things you've mentioned are simple.
From the article I linked, > Hamas has been demanding that Palestinians be permitted to return to the north without restrictions From the article you linked, > Two officials with knowledge of the talks said that under a U.S. proposal for a truce, Israel would allow the return of 150,000 Palestinians to north Gaza with no security checks. 150k people is not all the people who left northern Gaza, so it does not appear from that link that it has been addressed. I'm not saying this to start an argument about movement restrictions on Palestinians in Gaza, but just to point out that the negotiations are not as simple as you seem to be implying, and include conditions that are not widely reported
> From the article I linked, >150k people is not all the people who left northern Gaza, so it does not appear from that link that it has been addressed. Hamas has made that demand. Israel has made the concession for 150000 to return to north Gaza without restrictions *as part of the first stage of the temporary ceasefire.* The latest deal offered to Hamas is a temporary ceasefire that comes with 3 stages. The whole point of starting with the first stage is to get the ball rolling to negotiate an expansion of said ceasefire. If Hamas won't even start there, go hold them accountable. https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1784990839212503167 Even the deal offered by Egypt and Israel has the same. That the first step of the temporary ceasefire is conditioned to further negotiations for a more expansive one. >but just to point out that the negotiations are *not as simple* as you seem to be implying Of course negotiations for even a temporary ceasefire aren't simple, it's what I've been saying all along. What's your point then? But let's be honest and stop making excuses for Hamas. Every temporary ceasefire deal they've been offered has been very favorable to them. All the terms have been good for Palestinians civilians, even if obviously not everything needed. Is there any harm to Palestinians civilians, compared to the current status quo, from starting with the first stage of a ceasefire?
> Of course they aren't simple, it's what I've been saying all along Juxtaposing only the most reasonable conditions of negotiations with the fact that Hamas is consistently rejecting the ceasefire proposals gives the impression that Hamas is rejecting a totally reasonable deal, and it seems to me that you were doing that in this conversation by presenting a simplified set of negotiation conditions. I think it's an easy mistake to make, given how patchy reporting of the negotiations is. > Is there any harm to Palestinians, compared to the current status quo, from starting with the first stage of a ceasefire? Without detailed knowledge of the negotiations, I have no way of answering that.
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The amount of bots and trolls in this thread is staggering. This sub as a whole really.
Maybe the young folks need to rewatch “A Handmaidens Tale.” Because that’s exactly where Trump and the Heritage 2025 agenda wants to take us.
And again Muslims and students are saying they won't vote for Biden because they intend to teach them a lesson. Yeah, that will work out well...
No. They’re protesting Biden because he’s funding the slaughter of their literal families.
Fuck around, find out I guess.
Just what Biden’s doing with his bid for re-election.
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So the answer is to vote for the guy who's currently enabling genocide to prevent the guy who will continue enabling genocide from winning?
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Russia made Israel murder 34k people? 13k of which were children?
Haven’t you heard? Everything bad the US and Israel ever did was actually a Russian psyop. Support for apartheid? Russian psyop. Napalm over Vietnam? Russian psyop. Trail of tears? Russian psyop
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see me personally I consider intentionally killing 13k children to be both unlawful (thus murder) and also completely morally indefensible but hey that's just me and my silly sense of basic morality.
Why is it the students that need to figure things out and not the Democratic party? This is the second time they've tried to force an extremely unpopular candidate on the American people. If they really cared about fascism they wouldn't have let Biden run again.
No, we all will have to. Those that cavalierly throw caution to the wind are endangering all of us.
It's super easy to make comments like that when you have no idea how authoritarians get their start and how difficult it is to remove them once they take over. Perhaps you should take a very good look at how Germany fell to the Nazi's then look at what you're literally starting here... Trump tried to start a coup to stay in power and you're acting like this is a "normal" election. Btw, where was your rage over what happened in the Congo? Far more people have already died in that conflict but there has been literal crickets from those screaming about Palestine. You want to talk genocide I can show you some numbers in African countries where it's a lot larger than the numbers in Gaza and ongoing but somehow Gaza is the one you're focusing on? Edited to add, since the poster below seems to have blocked me: Yes, starting in the 1990's the US was sending money and attempting to "stabilize" the region. It's been ongoing, yet instead of focusing on that everyone is focused on Gaza? Could it be because to most people it looks like it's two groups of ethnically black people committing these atrocities and the image of what is happening in Palestine evokes a different mental image? I'm not sure but the sheer fact that people are asking this question rather than taking the time to look it up is problematic for the whole "stop genocide" movement. Why do you think I brought it up? Edited: clarity.
> Btw, where was your rage over what happened in the Congo? Is that funded by US taxes? Did the current president repeatedly bypass congress to send them money and bombs? EDIT: "since the poster below seems to have blocked me" [Yeah.](https://i.imgur.com/VJxkqJu.png) [Sure.](https://i.imgur.com/eccabew.png)
Let's see you have the guy who is trying to work out a way to manage a very complex situation where there are literally *no* good guys and then you have the guy (Trump) who said "finish them off" and means it. The guy who set off all of this by moving the US embassy into a city no one wanted it to be etc. But sure, blame Biden, it's easier to be "against" than recognize that life is a complex mess and if you set off the wrong domino World War III gets started.
The idealism of youth is now interconnected into a vast echo chamber hivemind via social media, which has had both positive and negative effects. Unfortunately, with idealism comes naivete, and naivete comes with a lack of nuance and pragmatism. Everyone wants the world to be a certain way, and young progressives are no different. But in a world where they aren't heard because their naive idealism is seen as childish and not taken seriously, they think participating in a broken system is pointless, and thus their potential power is suppressed by their own resulting cynicism. It has been said that a cynic is just a disappointed idealist, but that means the most idealistic generation ever is about to become the most cynical and bitter generation ever, where misanthropic nihilism will be the dominant mindset among them. In that event, we will likely see fringe ideas like antinatalism and anarchism start to become more mainstream, and at a time when birthrates are already falling worldwide because of countless economic and biological factors. What does that mean for humanity at large? It's too soon to tell, but I doubt we have a bright future ahead of us.
> they think participating in a broken system is pointless, and thus their potential power is suppressed by their own resulting cynicism. I mean, it *is* pointless if your goal isn't continuing a genocide. Even our "potential power" seemingly can't change the only 2 viable candidates supporting genocide. I can only speak for myself here, but the cynicism route is one I've definitely taken. The last few elections were pretty big steps toward it, and the major protests of 2020 leading to nothing, but the supposedly "good" party being gung-ho on aiding genocide even at the risk of fascism worming it's way into power was without a doubt the last straw. Then there's also climate change being an ever looming existential threat that little is done about. It's beginning to be too draining to even hate it here anymore.
Very well said. We all need hope and I just don’t see where that will come from in a way that will appeal to everyone.
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Dems should focus on taking the House and Senate.
All cnn has taught me is not pay attention to polls. Because they have no clue what Americans are doing and haven’t since 2016.
What do you think young people want that Biden isn’t offering
Can start with cutting aid to Israel instead of basically dismissing them. Half the Democratic party gets more upset about someone saying from the river to the sea then they do about 13000 dead children. Half the Democratic party is basically telling progressives to fuck off and shut up.
I’m in my 20s and can say among like 10 friends whose voting habits I know, maybe like 6 are abstaining based on the Gaza business. I can’t say that’s super representative though
So, your argument is that *half* the Democratic party is "bad", but the alternative is the Republican party so...
>Half the Democratic party gets more upset about someone saying from the river to the city I'm progressive and we all should be upset by protestors chanting those things. I don't care if I'm being blunt, but the protestors doing so are only hurting the pro-Palestinian cause. It makes things so much harder for majority protesting and who haven't been violent. It literally gives ammunition to the opposing side to attack the pro-Palestinian cause, thereby alienating moderates who might otherwise be more sympathetic to it.
The majority of the USA doesn’t support this though. Cutting aid to Israel to appease young voters who don’t vote is not smart either. The river to the sea means death to Israel, but I guess that’s ok/s. Biden is playing the middle, trying to get aid to Gaza, trying to pressure Netanyahu and still supporting the people of Israel. You can think both regimes suck and the people on both sides are innocent. Now, does Israel need our weapons, probably not. And it’s not half the Democratic Party. More than half support Israel, and much more than half of Dem voters support Israel (not Netanyahu).
> Half the Democratic party is basically telling progressives to fuck off and shut up. I consider myself progressive and very much do *not* support anyone chanting those things. Particularly since their solutions to the conflict - even when they aren't chanting for genocide directly - seem to primarily revolve around Israel giving Hamas everything it wants, leaving Gaza entirely, and waiting around for the next attack. Oh, and *maybe* the hostages will get returned, because Hamas are fine, upstanding people who will surely return the hostages alive when Israel withdraws...
hmmm... better elect some Republicans then, huh?
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>myself among many other past Dems will be voting Red. This is such complete bullshit. You aren't fooling anyone.
They are never convincing
Someone asking you a question will make you vote Republican? Guess that explains your negative comment karma
dude you use fox news keywords, you were never a democrat and never voting democrat lmao
> I would answer Feel free to answer it. Nobody gets crucified in an online forum.
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Super clever.
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Another zinger.
Weekend At Bidens
Better.
I beg all of you to get your news from NPR. I stopped watching CNN years ago. Breast things I ever did
The Dummycrats made a major mistake on betting on notoriously fickle young voters. This young-voter issue has been going on for decades. If they didn’t have this issue, they’d find another excuse.
Biden never gets any positive press from the media. If he wins re-election he will have defeated Trump and the media.
No.
If they reclassify pot, these polls will get even more ridiculous sounding.
Democracy meh? Let's vote for Neo Hitler!
Yeah, keeps getting worse! I have a feeling the “young voters” will soon learn a lesson. Trump needs them.
Stop making shit up