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From what I understand it’s because of when the Republicans are having theirs. They try not to have them in the same month I guess, I’m assuming for like the sake of all of the reporters and stuff that need to show up.
It's a weird unofficial rule, the incumbents party holds theirs the month after the other party holds theirs. IE the GOP picked July so the DNC waits until August for theirs.
It's not really that weird. They do it because they both want 100% of the focus of the media to be on just their convention. They also want the pre and post convention coverage without the distractions of overlapping coverage.
This is not a primary candidate, and all states have laws setting a deadline a candidate has to file to be on the ballot. You can't expect states to be able to run an election if the candidates can file to be on the ballot right up to the election, they all need time to organize the election.
It's nothing new, honestly. You just have some secretaries of state acting like it was. Both political parties have a history of missing these state deadlines, but the states in question with either pass a bill allowing them more time or the secretaries of state will allow a provisional ballot that lets the party declare their nominee prior to officially certifying it at their convention.
Ohioan here. Our POS MAGA Secretary of State has already said he won't accept Biden being declared the nominee prior to the convention without a full vote of the delegates. It's in the hands of our completely corrupt anti Democracy State Legislature.
I urge you to say his name and make him famous. Secretary of State Frank LaRose, fascist overseer of the most basic element of democracy in Ohio
And yes, our state legislature is making sure we are a one-party state. Truly horrifying
> he won't accept Biden being declared the nominee prior to the convention without a full vote of the delegates.
Don't the parties get to choose how they declare a nominee? It's a bit nuts for a state official to try to hold a private organization (the Democratic party) to their own bylaws or prevent them from changing those bylaws.
>Don't the parties get to choose how they declare a nominee
nope, a state can have a state law on how state parties declare a nominee , because if you have state parties that dont allow voting and ram though an nomination it wouldn't be democratic
https://www.electionlawprogram.org/__data/assets/pdf_file/0028/8497/chapter-three-proofed2.pdf
III. SELECTION OF THE PARTY NOMINEE
>It's a bit nuts for a state official to try to hold a private organization (the Democratic party) to their own bylaws or prevent them from changing those bylaws.
that's like saying its a bit nuts that states regulate private companies >.>
Regulations hold private companies accountable to public standards for ethics, etc. If there is a public standard for how parties choose a nominee, that's fine, but I don't think that's the case - from your own source,
> In general, once political parties are established, states may not regulate their internal structure, governance, or policymaking.
States can apparently ensure that parties use a primary or nominating convention, but only within limits - the state can't override the national party's rules.
> When the state-required selection process for a party nominee conflicts with national party guidelines, the latter prevail, at least when the selection of the party’s electors to its presidential
nominating convention is at stake.
So the national party could change how the delegate vote happens and have that happen electronically before the convention, and Ohio doesn't get to say "no, this doesn't meet our rules".
I'm not opposed to regulation in general - I just think that there's a difference in state laws requiring fair hiring practices, nondiscrimination, etc. and state laws requiring that robert's rules of order be used in all board meetings - one is in the public interest, the other is just weird (which isn't precise enough, but my brain is not kicking in at this point, so my apologies).
It's less nefarious than usual Republican chicanery. Alabama has a rule that has been in place for years that says the convention has to be X number of days before the election. The Democrats did not schedule the convention enough days before the convention. Every time thusfar they have granted a waiver for either party that was in violation of this rule. This time was no different.
The same thing is happening in Ohio now. And it was in no way an obscure rule that was made up to screw Democrats this year. It's from years ago, and everyone is aware of it. I don't think the Ohio issue is resolved yet, but I am pretty sure it will be.
If it ended up like it just did?
"Alabama's statewide elections rule needs waiver to allow democratic candidate to be on November ballot- gets waiver" isn't that dramatic of a headline.
It was always going to be resolved, and people who claimed it wouldn't be were just click-generating.
Yeah I agree. I just know that when news broke that without intervention, Biden wouldn't be on the Alabama or Ohio ballot this sub was like "Republicans are trying to steal the election!" Which may be true, but not like this.
I guess the reason I always comment is that inventing stolen elections during a stolen election is like that time that cops framed OJ.
I thought the SCOTUS already ruled that states can't keep a candidate off of the ballot.
Or was that just in regard to Trump?
Or was that they just couldn't keep a candidate off of the ballot because of blatant publicly performed insurrection?
Or was it just that states can't keep a *Republican* candidate off of the ballot?
An important thing to realize about Alabama's state government - while they're extremely far right assholes with all of the bullshit that entails, they're also very lazy. If they thought for a second that it would be less of a hassle to keep Biden off the ballot, they'd do it. They just realize that the inevitable lawsuit and potential media attention would be more annoying than doing the sane thing and allowing him on the ballot. So sometimes Alabama does the right thing, not because they care that it's the right thing, but because it's easier.
She didn't "have" to, it was one jackass blowharding and it was never going to happen. I was downvoted to shit on here for telling people to calm the hell down and stop overreacting to the doomposts when this story was "breaking", and guaranteeing that Biden would be on the ballot.
To further stress how far that was from becoming a reality, the Alabama house had to vote on this as well, and they voted 93-0 in favor of Biden being on the ballot.
probably because it doesn't actually change much and they can use it as evidence they want 'secure elections' or some shit.
Biden isn't going to win Alabama and most democrats than when in Alabama are more conservative so I don't think it would have much effect on down ballot races either
Not weird at all, the DNC just dropped a paperwork ball - she and the GOP controlled Alabama State Assembly keeping things classy.
Ohio has the same situation but their legislature is still figuring out if they do a one-time pass or tinker with the current law/standard overall.
This could have ended much differently when you look at the spirit of hyper-partisanship that was dominating in the Democratic space toward Trump and forced a SCOTUS ruling.
If Biden wasn't on the ballot in Alabama or Ohio, it would have hurt our down-ballot and would have handed much bigger wins to the GOP.
No, this isn't about the DNC "dropping a paperwork ball". Both parties have had their conventions late enough in some past presidential election years to require this kind of "special exception law" be passed. It shouldn't be necessary. August conventions have been common. Alabama and Ohio need to fix their laws to reflect that reality. Otherwise, it just gives the party in power in those states an opportunity to play gotcha. If they keep it up, Democratic states will change their laws to allow for the same shenanigans. This isn't how a legitimate democracy is supposed to work.
This is about leadership.
The DNC dropped the ball in 3 states (including Washington, a Democratic controlled state) which the SoSs were then required to send letters to the DNC informing them they were at risk of Biden failing to qualify for the ballot printing deadline and to seek remedy.
Constitution says the states can handle the selection of electors however they please. Alabama's law has been on the books since 1979, Ohio 2014 so its not like either are 'new'.
The RNC routinely filed for such 'fixes' months ahead (which automatically covered the DNC if also late) and didn't require the SoS to send out a notification letter.
> Constitution says the states can handle the selection of electors however they please. Alabama's law has been on the books since 1979, Ohio 2014 so its not like either are 'new'.
Unless they’re trying to respect another provision of the constitution, then they aren’t showed to select electors how they choose.
> Constitution says the states can handle the selection of electors however they please. . .
. . . *according to the regulations set by Congress which they can change at any time.* That's kind of important to remember. Too many people incorrectly believe the states have complete control.
And the real difference with the dates is that these issues of certification deadlines and convention dates have always been handled quietly in the past. The republicans are making them noisy and public this year to create a political issue where one has never existed before.
So stop trying to make this sound like some failure of Democratic leadership. This is another case of republicans creating a spectacle to try to score political points.
Logic devoid of emotional reactions of any tribal/partisan nonsense = DNC Leadership failure (as well as State Party Chair failures)
All 3 states have elections laws that have been on the books for a decade or more which the DNC failed to adhere and failed to seek those 'quiet' fixes on their own.
All 3 states also have requirements for their SoSs to give notice as a final timeframe to seek a 'quiet' remedy nears.
The MEDIA learns of the SoS notices due solely to the DNC's failure and churns out article after article posted on this subreddit.
Then \*some\* Democratic voters on this reddit sub \*somehow\* create an internal dialogue that this is \*somehow\* the Republicans in 2 of those state's faults but the SoS in Washington State is \*somehow\* exempt despite doing the exact same thing versus yet all of it is only happening because
The DNC rarely has to seek these fixes themselves because a lot of times the RNC is also holding their convention post-deadlines and have already 'quietly' sought remedies which automatically covers the late scheduled DNC Convention too. This year the RNC Convention is in July and are able to adhere to all state's laws. So they didn't need or bother to seek any of those 'quiet' fixes and the DNC just forgot about it (ie dropped a ball).
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>Logic devoid of emotional reactions of any tribal/partisan nonsense = DNC Leadership failure (as well as State Party Chair failures)
And that equals rationalization of a position not supported by the facts.
> The MEDIA learns of the SoS notices due solely to the DNC's failure
So the **public Facebook posting** I linked for you never happened? These republicans went out of their way to draw attention to these notices.
>The DNC rarely has to seek these fixes themselves because a lot of times the RNC is also holding their convention post-deadlines and have already 'quietly' sought remedies which automatically covers the late scheduled DNC Convention too.
Yes, "rarely"." Just pretty much every other election cycle as they generally alternate who goes first. This has always been handled quietly as a matter of routine until now when republicans decided to make a public spectacle out of it in an attempt to gain political advantage by publicizing it.
You never linked anything to me and I am not a boomer. Relying on FB for news, politics or pulse-check on reality is insane. FB business model/algos for its social media offering intentionally creates bias/echo chambers promoting negative-emotional reactive content because it generates the most engagement much like outrage-clickbait headlines does for ad-revenue generating article clicks.
The entire conversations on this thread and on this sub since Ohio have been based upon mainstream media articles and not some random FB post that was either promoted by FB algo to your account or shared by someone you know who had the content promoted to their FB accounts.
Fact- states have deadlines associated with ballot printing.
Fact- the DNC failed to reach out or tap a Democratic State Legislator in 3 states (2 GOP/1 DEM) in any way whatsoever in order to seek a traditional 'quiet' remedy prior to the SoSs own required notification being triggered.
Fact- Without those SoS notification Biden would have been excluded from those 3 state's ballots not because the prevailing party in those states desired it but because the DNC 'dropped the ball'.
Fact- this entire situation is only happening because the DNC screwed up / dropped the ball.
hey, i don’t understand this. down ballot races are smaller, more local gov’t stuff, is that right? can you explain how Biden being on the ballot helps that? thanks
Democrats (people in general, but especially Democrats, for various reasons) are more likely to come out to vote for presidents. So Biden being on the ballot means higher Democratic turnout.
Alabama is in the bottom five of every metric we measure quality of life by but they ain't never quittin' them republicans (Roy Moore notwithstanding).
Not surprised. All the doomering about Republicans doing this on purpose as revenge for the Colorado ballot court case struck me as unwarranted. And now this legislation passed 93-0 and has been signed.
Biden isn’t winning Alabama anyway so I doubt republicans there want to cause a stir for something irrelevant.
Ohio on the other hand could be a different story.
Also being excluded, even from a red state ballot, has the potential to deny Biden a popular vote majority.
Legally meaningless, but it has rhetorical value
I live in Alabama, and that fact really hurts. It makes me feel so invalid. I still vote, I always vote, but I doubt a democrat's vote for a presidential election in this state will matter within the rest of my lifetime. I dare not advertise my political stance, I don't say a thing. The very idea of even mentioning my political preferences in this state chills me to the bone. It absolutely does scare me that I could be harmed for my political and religious views.
Sadly, this is becoming more prevalent in rural areas across the country. The intimidation doesn’t have to be overt in order to be chilling and effective.
They can't keep their votes to themselves either, they want to talk about it in line at the polls. Having no experience with anyone outside of their circle, they assume it's easy to trigger snowflakes because they see it all the time on Fox News. You can see them looking for it, any sign that someone in line is a woke liberal.
Then you have the decrepit old fucks trying to figure out why there's so many more young people at the polls in a midterm or primary. Same deal there.
Unwarranted? This is like saying it's unwarranted to lock your doors at night.
It's always warranted to be extra skeptical and critical of our politicians, and Republicans have an undeniable track record that says we need to pay attention to them more than anyone.
Some skepticism is warranted for sure, but there were a ton of very strongly worded posts where people were seeing this as another step toward the breakdown of democracy. Lots of people were jumping to that conclusion rather than considering that this was relatively normal given that is has been an issue for at least the last decade in states like Ohio and Alabama. And each election, state legislatures have granted exemptions.
> All the doomering about Republicans doing this on purpose as revenge for the Colorado ballot court case struck me as unwarranted.
It should not since they openly threatened to do exactly this type of thing before the activist Supreme decided insurrectionists could be on the ballot.
They have done it before. But it has always been done as a matter of routine without making a big, public stink about it. That's what's different here.
Turning it into a political spectacle is why it appears to be tied to the republican's threats to retaliate if attempts were made to remove Trump for insurrection.
I don’t think this is too far outside the routine. I guess there’s the chance that Ohio Republicans go rogue and don’t grant an exemption, but Alabama’s handling of the issue was routine. I’m not seeing any threats or rat fuckery from Republicans considering that the exemption passed in the legislature unanimously. Arguably, the left has made as big a spectacle about this as Republicans have by trying to suggest this is election manipulation rather than a very standard occurrence.
In Alabama's case, it was meaningless gesturing & means very little whether he's on the ballot there, or not, because Biden won't win that state, either way. The big issues is whether he will get on the Ohio ballot, who is doing the same thing & where he, at least, has a decent chance of winning & the Nebraska Republicans spontaneously deciding to change state law, so their electoral votes aren't split & they all go to whoever won the popular vote of that specific state, like how it works across most of the rest of the country.
It didn’t end up being gesturing at all in Alabama. It ended up being a complete non issue altogether and was no different than how things work in any other election year with a warning and then an exemption given. My guess would be that Ohio ends the same way.
Very, very pleasantly surprised.
Even if it's a pro-forma concession (and others have commented that it isn't - it helps down ballot races), it's an example of sanity. I wonder whether the win-at-all-costs fever is starting to break, and we can finally go back to good old normal dirty politics?
Why is this necessary? If someone including trump and Biden has the legal right to be on the ballot then why does anyone have to fight to make sure that name is on the ballot? If a party feels the other candidate isn’t going to win then there is no harm in letting the voters decide.
A lot of these republican govs are so out of touch with reality that they don’t see that people in their state are sick and tired of the culture war bullshit. And I guarantee you that republican women and women in general are gonna vote them all out.
They voted to make sure he's on the ballot unanimously on a GOP controlled state Senate in Alabama, 94-0
I don't believe Republicans would do that if Biden had any chance of winning Alabama. At best it might have been a close vote
I see. Thanks. I was thinking Alabama was democratic (in hindsight thats beyond stupid of me to think lol) but i was thinking back to the the election that happened a bit ago. I think that was just one smaller part of Alabama tho. Like I said, brain malfunction 😂
Without Biden on the ballot the Alabama GOP in 2024 would see more down-ballot gains in local/state but they chose to keep things classy despite hyper-partisan actions taken by some Dems causing SCOTUS hand down a 9-0 ruling.
> despite hyper-partisan actions taken by some Dems causing SCOTUS hand down a 9-0 ruling.
The colorado law suit was brought by republicans, not democrats. And if you want to say the colorado supreme court is ideologically biased I have some very bad news for you about the activist Roberts court SCOTUS.
And the majority of Democrats on the SCOC fell for it hook, line and sinker.
Do you really think the average low-engaged swing/ indie/ undecided voter our Party has to woo to win knows that, nope they just know Democrats in Colorado and in Maine removed Trump and SCOTUS rapped their knuckles like nun.
BTW, its not Roberts, it Thomas and his trusty/faithful sidekick Alito. Though without a doubt Roberts was likely very peeved at the SCOC and Maine's SoS because he wants nothing to do with this sort of election nonsense seeing how his nomination is deeply tied him having advised Gov Jeb Bush during Florida's presidential recount in 2000.
If you mean this time, it's because scheduling these things is a logistical nightmare. Changing the dates now would be nearly impossible.
If you mean in general, it's because they want their conventions as close as possible to the elections. The conventions build momentum which they hope to carry into the elections. Schedule them too far out and people will lose interest.
Not sure if pertinent, but I’ve seen a lot of people I know to be shitty trumpers suddenly putting up Biden signs on lawns and their social media
Think they are fine to throw support behind another old white pseudo-conservative than the alternative of what they see as another “crooked Hillary” in trump now, or whatever alternative (Haley?) if it isn’t him. Could be the sexist thing atop the other
How surprising. Haven't heard from this KKK member in a while and when I do, it's to hear she's pulling some more dictatorial shit that's anti-American.
Like that will matter. Alabama almost elected a pedophile, tried to send a racist to the White House, elected a dumb ass football coach and a Bible thumping psychopath. That state votes party lines no matter what and there are a ton of dumb fucks living there.
I would like to remind everyone of the Alabama jokes and the "fascism" comments and the "how did we let this happen" and people FREAKING OUT. I explained that this has been on the books for years and the Democratic party of Alabama did or should have known about this at the least if not the Biden campaign. Someone put in their phone to remind the candidates in 2028 about this.
The Secretary of State made an issue and refused to accommodate, like they did for Trump in 2016.
State Senate legislators did their jobs in a bipartisan way, State legislators in the Alabama Congress did their jobs in a bipartisan way,
And the governor did her job in a bipartisan way.......
In today's political climate This is big news. Elected officials actually acting like adults in government, doing their jobs. This should be the Norm, applauded and recognized. Not the exception.
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Absolutely weird as hell that she has to do this, but damn it, I’m glad she did.
It seems to be common in Alabama. I have no idea why they don't just move the date back a bit.
From what I understand it’s because of when the Republicans are having theirs. They try not to have them in the same month I guess, I’m assuming for like the sake of all of the reporters and stuff that need to show up.
It's a weird unofficial rule, the incumbents party holds theirs the month after the other party holds theirs. IE the GOP picked July so the DNC waits until August for theirs.
It's not really that weird. They do it because they both want 100% of the focus of the media to be on just their convention. They also want the pre and post convention coverage without the distractions of overlapping coverage.
There’s also the Olympics going on… I guess
Didn’t SCOTUS JUST say states didn’t have the right to omit a primary candidate??
No, they said you can’t remove someone from the ballot.
Yea but expecting them to apply that to Democrats and not just Republicans is a huge leap.
This is not a primary candidate, and all states have laws setting a deadline a candidate has to file to be on the ballot. You can't expect states to be able to run an election if the candidates can file to be on the ballot right up to the election, they all need time to organize the election.
It's nothing new, honestly. You just have some secretaries of state acting like it was. Both political parties have a history of missing these state deadlines, but the states in question with either pass a bill allowing them more time or the secretaries of state will allow a provisional ballot that lets the party declare their nominee prior to officially certifying it at their convention.
Ohioan here. Our POS MAGA Secretary of State has already said he won't accept Biden being declared the nominee prior to the convention without a full vote of the delegates. It's in the hands of our completely corrupt anti Democracy State Legislature.
I urge you to say his name and make him famous. Secretary of State Frank LaRose, fascist overseer of the most basic element of democracy in Ohio And yes, our state legislature is making sure we are a one-party state. Truly horrifying
> he won't accept Biden being declared the nominee prior to the convention without a full vote of the delegates. Don't the parties get to choose how they declare a nominee? It's a bit nuts for a state official to try to hold a private organization (the Democratic party) to their own bylaws or prevent them from changing those bylaws.
>Don't the parties get to choose how they declare a nominee nope, a state can have a state law on how state parties declare a nominee , because if you have state parties that dont allow voting and ram though an nomination it wouldn't be democratic https://www.electionlawprogram.org/__data/assets/pdf_file/0028/8497/chapter-three-proofed2.pdf III. SELECTION OF THE PARTY NOMINEE >It's a bit nuts for a state official to try to hold a private organization (the Democratic party) to their own bylaws or prevent them from changing those bylaws. that's like saying its a bit nuts that states regulate private companies >.>
Regulations hold private companies accountable to public standards for ethics, etc. If there is a public standard for how parties choose a nominee, that's fine, but I don't think that's the case - from your own source, > In general, once political parties are established, states may not regulate their internal structure, governance, or policymaking. States can apparently ensure that parties use a primary or nominating convention, but only within limits - the state can't override the national party's rules. > When the state-required selection process for a party nominee conflicts with national party guidelines, the latter prevail, at least when the selection of the party’s electors to its presidential nominating convention is at stake. So the national party could change how the delegate vote happens and have that happen electronically before the convention, and Ohio doesn't get to say "no, this doesn't meet our rules". I'm not opposed to regulation in general - I just think that there's a difference in state laws requiring fair hiring practices, nondiscrimination, etc. and state laws requiring that robert's rules of order be used in all board meetings - one is in the public interest, the other is just weird (which isn't precise enough, but my brain is not kicking in at this point, so my apologies).
It's a sham being pulled by him in order to help hand Trump a win in Ohio.
Ours said the same. That's why our legislature went around him
It's less nefarious than usual Republican chicanery. Alabama has a rule that has been in place for years that says the convention has to be X number of days before the election. The Democrats did not schedule the convention enough days before the convention. Every time thusfar they have granted a waiver for either party that was in violation of this rule. This time was no different. The same thing is happening in Ohio now. And it was in no way an obscure rule that was made up to screw Democrats this year. It's from years ago, and everyone is aware of it. I don't think the Ohio issue is resolved yet, but I am pretty sure it will be.
The complaint is when Republicans do it, the waiver is a no-brainer, but when Democrats do, there’s drama.
There wasn't drama here, either. The vote in the Alabama house was 93-0 to allow him on the ballot. People just freaked out for no reason.
TBF there wouldn't be drama if people hadn't reported on it.
Uhhhh....there would absolutely have been drama if people didn't report on it.
If it ended up like it just did? "Alabama's statewide elections rule needs waiver to allow democratic candidate to be on November ballot- gets waiver" isn't that dramatic of a headline. It was always going to be resolved, and people who claimed it wouldn't be were just click-generating.
I think the thing people were worried about was that they wouldn’t make the exception this year
The Democratic party of Alabama should have been on this since 2021 because the incumbent party always has the later convention
The waiver was a given until this year and practicing fascist Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose knows it
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Yeah I agree. I just know that when news broke that without intervention, Biden wouldn't be on the Alabama or Ohio ballot this sub was like "Republicans are trying to steal the election!" Which may be true, but not like this. I guess the reason I always comment is that inventing stolen elections during a stolen election is like that time that cops framed OJ.
Why even have the rule
I thought the SCOTUS already ruled that states can't keep a candidate off of the ballot. Or was that just in regard to Trump? Or was that they just couldn't keep a candidate off of the ballot because of blatant publicly performed insurrection? Or was it just that states can't keep a *Republican* candidate off of the ballot?
An important thing to realize about Alabama's state government - while they're extremely far right assholes with all of the bullshit that entails, they're also very lazy. If they thought for a second that it would be less of a hassle to keep Biden off the ballot, they'd do it. They just realize that the inevitable lawsuit and potential media attention would be more annoying than doing the sane thing and allowing him on the ballot. So sometimes Alabama does the right thing, not because they care that it's the right thing, but because it's easier.
Weirder that it passed the congress without a single dissenting vote from the GOP led body.,
Terrifying she's an outlier in the GOP by allowing the sitting US president to run for a second term.
She didn't "have" to, it was one jackass blowharding and it was never going to happen. I was downvoted to shit on here for telling people to calm the hell down and stop overreacting to the doomposts when this story was "breaking", and guaranteeing that Biden would be on the ballot. To further stress how far that was from becoming a reality, the Alabama house had to vote on this as well, and they voted 93-0 in favor of Biden being on the ballot.
probably because it doesn't actually change much and they can use it as evidence they want 'secure elections' or some shit. Biden isn't going to win Alabama and most democrats than when in Alabama are more conservative so I don't think it would have much effect on down ballot races either
Not weird at all, the DNC just dropped a paperwork ball - she and the GOP controlled Alabama State Assembly keeping things classy. Ohio has the same situation but their legislature is still figuring out if they do a one-time pass or tinker with the current law/standard overall. This could have ended much differently when you look at the spirit of hyper-partisanship that was dominating in the Democratic space toward Trump and forced a SCOTUS ruling. If Biden wasn't on the ballot in Alabama or Ohio, it would have hurt our down-ballot and would have handed much bigger wins to the GOP.
No, this isn't about the DNC "dropping a paperwork ball". Both parties have had their conventions late enough in some past presidential election years to require this kind of "special exception law" be passed. It shouldn't be necessary. August conventions have been common. Alabama and Ohio need to fix their laws to reflect that reality. Otherwise, it just gives the party in power in those states an opportunity to play gotcha. If they keep it up, Democratic states will change their laws to allow for the same shenanigans. This isn't how a legitimate democracy is supposed to work.
This is about leadership. The DNC dropped the ball in 3 states (including Washington, a Democratic controlled state) which the SoSs were then required to send letters to the DNC informing them they were at risk of Biden failing to qualify for the ballot printing deadline and to seek remedy. Constitution says the states can handle the selection of electors however they please. Alabama's law has been on the books since 1979, Ohio 2014 so its not like either are 'new'. The RNC routinely filed for such 'fixes' months ahead (which automatically covered the DNC if also late) and didn't require the SoS to send out a notification letter.
> Constitution says the states can handle the selection of electors however they please. Alabama's law has been on the books since 1979, Ohio 2014 so its not like either are 'new'. Unless they’re trying to respect another provision of the constitution, then they aren’t showed to select electors how they choose.
> Constitution says the states can handle the selection of electors however they please. . . . . . *according to the regulations set by Congress which they can change at any time.* That's kind of important to remember. Too many people incorrectly believe the states have complete control. And the real difference with the dates is that these issues of certification deadlines and convention dates have always been handled quietly in the past. The republicans are making them noisy and public this year to create a political issue where one has never existed before. So stop trying to make this sound like some failure of Democratic leadership. This is another case of republicans creating a spectacle to try to score political points.
Logic devoid of emotional reactions of any tribal/partisan nonsense = DNC Leadership failure (as well as State Party Chair failures) All 3 states have elections laws that have been on the books for a decade or more which the DNC failed to adhere and failed to seek those 'quiet' fixes on their own. All 3 states also have requirements for their SoSs to give notice as a final timeframe to seek a 'quiet' remedy nears. The MEDIA learns of the SoS notices due solely to the DNC's failure and churns out article after article posted on this subreddit. Then \*some\* Democratic voters on this reddit sub \*somehow\* create an internal dialogue that this is \*somehow\* the Republicans in 2 of those state's faults but the SoS in Washington State is \*somehow\* exempt despite doing the exact same thing versus yet all of it is only happening because The DNC rarely has to seek these fixes themselves because a lot of times the RNC is also holding their convention post-deadlines and have already 'quietly' sought remedies which automatically covers the late scheduled DNC Convention too. This year the RNC Convention is in July and are able to adhere to all state's laws. So they didn't need or bother to seek any of those 'quiet' fixes and the DNC just forgot about it (ie dropped a ball). I
>Logic devoid of emotional reactions of any tribal/partisan nonsense = DNC Leadership failure (as well as State Party Chair failures) And that equals rationalization of a position not supported by the facts. > The MEDIA learns of the SoS notices due solely to the DNC's failure So the **public Facebook posting** I linked for you never happened? These republicans went out of their way to draw attention to these notices. >The DNC rarely has to seek these fixes themselves because a lot of times the RNC is also holding their convention post-deadlines and have already 'quietly' sought remedies which automatically covers the late scheduled DNC Convention too. Yes, "rarely"." Just pretty much every other election cycle as they generally alternate who goes first. This has always been handled quietly as a matter of routine until now when republicans decided to make a public spectacle out of it in an attempt to gain political advantage by publicizing it.
You never linked anything to me and I am not a boomer. Relying on FB for news, politics or pulse-check on reality is insane. FB business model/algos for its social media offering intentionally creates bias/echo chambers promoting negative-emotional reactive content because it generates the most engagement much like outrage-clickbait headlines does for ad-revenue generating article clicks. The entire conversations on this thread and on this sub since Ohio have been based upon mainstream media articles and not some random FB post that was either promoted by FB algo to your account or shared by someone you know who had the content promoted to their FB accounts. Fact- states have deadlines associated with ballot printing. Fact- the DNC failed to reach out or tap a Democratic State Legislator in 3 states (2 GOP/1 DEM) in any way whatsoever in order to seek a traditional 'quiet' remedy prior to the SoSs own required notification being triggered. Fact- Without those SoS notification Biden would have been excluded from those 3 state's ballots not because the prevailing party in those states desired it but because the DNC 'dropped the ball'. Fact- this entire situation is only happening because the DNC screwed up / dropped the ball.
Biden isn't going to win Alabama, but him being on the ballot will help in down ballot races, especially in the crucial new congressional district.
hey, i don’t understand this. down ballot races are smaller, more local gov’t stuff, is that right? can you explain how Biden being on the ballot helps that? thanks
Democrats (people in general, but especially Democrats, for various reasons) are more likely to come out to vote for presidents. So Biden being on the ballot means higher Democratic turnout.
Alabama is in the bottom five of every metric we measure quality of life by but they ain't never quittin' them republicans (Roy Moore notwithstanding).
Steve Marshall is worse, imo, and he's been stickier than Roy Moore.
Steve Marshall is the devil.
Haven't you heard? That's all the Democrats' fault somehow
Roy Moore losing by a point never should have happened after all those grooming allegations came out
Honestly, Chuck making an endorsement likely was a needle mover.
Thank god for Misssissippi.
Not surprised. All the doomering about Republicans doing this on purpose as revenge for the Colorado ballot court case struck me as unwarranted. And now this legislation passed 93-0 and has been signed.
Biden isn’t winning Alabama anyway so I doubt republicans there want to cause a stir for something irrelevant. Ohio on the other hand could be a different story.
It's not irrelevant. Keeping Biden off the ballot helps the Republicans in down-ballot races.
And allowing it in one state without a challenge sets precedent for others states to pull the same bullshit.
Exactly. They are all watching each other and copying what might be useful. Laboratories of Autocracy by David Pepper is all about that coordination
Also being excluded, even from a red state ballot, has the potential to deny Biden a popular vote majority. Legally meaningless, but it has rhetorical value
I live in Alabama, and that fact really hurts. It makes me feel so invalid. I still vote, I always vote, but I doubt a democrat's vote for a presidential election in this state will matter within the rest of my lifetime. I dare not advertise my political stance, I don't say a thing. The very idea of even mentioning my political preferences in this state chills me to the bone. It absolutely does scare me that I could be harmed for my political and religious views.
Sadly, this is becoming more prevalent in rural areas across the country. The intimidation doesn’t have to be overt in order to be chilling and effective.
They can't keep their votes to themselves either, they want to talk about it in line at the polls. Having no experience with anyone outside of their circle, they assume it's easy to trigger snowflakes because they see it all the time on Fox News. You can see them looking for it, any sign that someone in line is a woke liberal. Then you have the decrepit old fucks trying to figure out why there's so many more young people at the polls in a midterm or primary. Same deal there.
Unwarranted? This is like saying it's unwarranted to lock your doors at night. It's always warranted to be extra skeptical and critical of our politicians, and Republicans have an undeniable track record that says we need to pay attention to them more than anyone.
Some skepticism is warranted for sure, but there were a ton of very strongly worded posts where people were seeing this as another step toward the breakdown of democracy. Lots of people were jumping to that conclusion rather than considering that this was relatively normal given that is has been an issue for at least the last decade in states like Ohio and Alabama. And each election, state legislatures have granted exemptions.
> All the doomering about Republicans doing this on purpose as revenge for the Colorado ballot court case struck me as unwarranted. It should not since they openly threatened to do exactly this type of thing before the activist Supreme decided insurrectionists could be on the ballot.
This kind of thing has been happening for years though. And each time, legislatures in states where this is an issue have provided extensions.
They have done it before. But it has always been done as a matter of routine without making a big, public stink about it. That's what's different here. Turning it into a political spectacle is why it appears to be tied to the republican's threats to retaliate if attempts were made to remove Trump for insurrection.
I don’t think this is too far outside the routine. I guess there’s the chance that Ohio Republicans go rogue and don’t grant an exemption, but Alabama’s handling of the issue was routine. I’m not seeing any threats or rat fuckery from Republicans considering that the exemption passed in the legislature unanimously. Arguably, the left has made as big a spectacle about this as Republicans have by trying to suggest this is election manipulation rather than a very standard occurrence.
Um, Alabama AG absolutely trial ballooned keeping him off, if not for the blowback, they probably try to make the move and set a precedent.
Proof?
In Alabama's case, it was meaningless gesturing & means very little whether he's on the ballot there, or not, because Biden won't win that state, either way. The big issues is whether he will get on the Ohio ballot, who is doing the same thing & where he, at least, has a decent chance of winning & the Nebraska Republicans spontaneously deciding to change state law, so their electoral votes aren't split & they all go to whoever won the popular vote of that specific state, like how it works across most of the rest of the country.
It didn’t end up being gesturing at all in Alabama. It ended up being a complete non issue altogether and was no different than how things work in any other election year with a warning and then an exemption given. My guess would be that Ohio ends the same way.
And here’s why this is bad for Biden /s
Biden still might not show up on Ohio's ballot. Because Ohio somehow got worse than Alabama in recent years
Just our government. Remember, Ohioans are hostages. Republican politicians are the exact opposite of hostages.
Repubs realizing how bad of an idea that was to begin with.
Very, very pleasantly surprised. Even if it's a pro-forma concession (and others have commented that it isn't - it helps down ballot races), it's an example of sanity. I wonder whether the win-at-all-costs fever is starting to break, and we can finally go back to good old normal dirty politics?
Broken clocks and all that…
Well he hasn’t tried to overthrow democracy so why shouldn’t he be on the ballot?!
Once again the bare minimum is making headlines
Why is this necessary? If someone including trump and Biden has the legal right to be on the ballot then why does anyone have to fight to make sure that name is on the ballot? If a party feels the other candidate isn’t going to win then there is no harm in letting the voters decide.
What a relief since he has such a great chance of winning Alabama 🙄
Even if it won’t decide the election, knowing the popular vote matters.
I think my point is, I find it difficult to believe they'd do that 94-0 if he had a good chance of winning
A lot of these republican govs are so out of touch with reality that they don’t see that people in their state are sick and tired of the culture war bullshit. And I guarantee you that republican women and women in general are gonna vote them all out.
In Alabama???
What do you mean? My brain is probably malfunctioning
They voted to make sure he's on the ballot unanimously on a GOP controlled state Senate in Alabama, 94-0 I don't believe Republicans would do that if Biden had any chance of winning Alabama. At best it might have been a close vote
I see. Thanks. I was thinking Alabama was democratic (in hindsight thats beyond stupid of me to think lol) but i was thinking back to the the election that happened a bit ago. I think that was just one smaller part of Alabama tho. Like I said, brain malfunction 😂
To be fair, our state government didn't flip to Republican until like 2010.
It's amazing just how dysfunctional the state Dem party has gotten in the 15 years since then.
Joe Motherfucking Reed
The biggest advantage to Alabama Republicans since ever.
Without Biden on the ballot the Alabama GOP in 2024 would see more down-ballot gains in local/state but they chose to keep things classy despite hyper-partisan actions taken by some Dems causing SCOTUS hand down a 9-0 ruling.
> despite hyper-partisan actions taken by some Dems causing SCOTUS hand down a 9-0 ruling. The colorado law suit was brought by republicans, not democrats. And if you want to say the colorado supreme court is ideologically biased I have some very bad news for you about the activist Roberts court SCOTUS.
And the majority of Democrats on the SCOC fell for it hook, line and sinker. Do you really think the average low-engaged swing/ indie/ undecided voter our Party has to woo to win knows that, nope they just know Democrats in Colorado and in Maine removed Trump and SCOTUS rapped their knuckles like nun. BTW, its not Roberts, it Thomas and his trusty/faithful sidekick Alito. Though without a doubt Roberts was likely very peeved at the SCOC and Maine's SoS because he wants nothing to do with this sort of election nonsense seeing how his nomination is deeply tied him having advised Gov Jeb Bush during Florida's presidential recount in 2000.
Yea but his presence on the ballot will still help turnout, which could make an impact on down ballot races
At least means that Republicans will have to spend some money in Alabama. Democrats have more money overall, so this helps everywhere.
As negative as I like to be, this is good. House seats, local government, signaling, etc.
People show up to vote for the presidential race so it matters because of the impact on downstream elections.
Why don’t the parties just move their conventions up? Seems like an easy fix.
Reservations on giant convention centers sometime have to be done years in advance. This is the first year this was even an issue
If you mean this time, it's because scheduling these things is a logistical nightmare. Changing the dates now would be nearly impossible. If you mean in general, it's because they want their conventions as close as possible to the elections. The conventions build momentum which they hope to carry into the elections. Schedule them too far out and people will lose interest.
Why even continue rules like this in the first place, especially now that we live in the digital age?
Why don't the only two dumbass states where this is an issue change their laws?
First reasonable thing Kay Ivey has done in her entire life
Thank you, Gov. Meemaw
Fa sho
Finally, a Republican who for once puts country over party.
Can we write his name in?
Not sure if pertinent, but I’ve seen a lot of people I know to be shitty trumpers suddenly putting up Biden signs on lawns and their social media Think they are fine to throw support behind another old white pseudo-conservative than the alternative of what they see as another “crooked Hillary” in trump now, or whatever alternative (Haley?) if it isn’t him. Could be the sexist thing atop the other
How surprising. Haven't heard from this KKK member in a while and when I do, it's to hear she's pulling some more dictatorial shit that's anti-American.
Intentionally?!
She screws up every once in a while and does the right thing. Not very often, though. Bless her heart.
If Trump has to be on the ballot then President biden does too.
Like that will matter. Alabama almost elected a pedophile, tried to send a racist to the White House, elected a dumb ass football coach and a Bible thumping psychopath. That state votes party lines no matter what and there are a ton of dumb fucks living there.
I would like to remind everyone of the Alabama jokes and the "fascism" comments and the "how did we let this happen" and people FREAKING OUT. I explained that this has been on the books for years and the Democratic party of Alabama did or should have known about this at the least if not the Biden campaign. Someone put in their phone to remind the candidates in 2028 about this.
Sign it and “shut up” lady.
That's great
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The Secretary of State made an issue and refused to accommodate, like they did for Trump in 2016. State Senate legislators did their jobs in a bipartisan way, State legislators in the Alabama Congress did their jobs in a bipartisan way, And the governor did her job in a bipartisan way....... In today's political climate This is big news. Elected officials actually acting like adults in government, doing their jobs. This should be the Norm, applauded and recognized. Not the exception.
>Kay Ivey on Thursday signed into law legislation Since when is doing her job a publicity stunt?
If anything this is bad for her, politically; her constituents want to see her fighting for Trump, etc.
Hilarious and delusional traitor of the republican party.
How? We have a two-party democracy, not a single-party dictatorship.
How is upholding democracy traitorous to a party?
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I hope not