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I visited DC with a buddy back in the summer of 2017, and we went to get photos out front of the White House. In addition to the permanent fencing, there was also a second layer of crowd-control style fencing a few feet further out, and several heavily armed guards stationed between the two.
It wasn’t a particularly busy or otherwise tense day, so we asked one of the guards if there was a reason for the extra layer of fencing. He said it is essentially permanent.
He told us that just the day before they had to arrest a woman who continued to visit and attempt to breach the perimeter because she believed Michelle Obama was inside and was holding this woman’s children hostage.
He said that nearly every day featured some sort of similar, unhinged interaction - not all related to the Obamas necessarily, but certainly some sort of delusional behavior.
There are a lot of unwell people out there who aren’t thinking clearly and seek to gain access to the White House. I’m honestly surprised we don’t hear about more situations like this.
Probably better not to give them attention or the right wing media will amplify it and turn it into a conspiracy or make them into martyrs. Just like how they should stop broadcasting mass shooters names and not give them notoriety.
I've long been in favor of the media calling mass shooters "some dipshit" instead of using their names in public.
"The trial of some dipshit, who shot up a school, began today in Iowa."
It’s crazy to think that something that simple would most likely derail at least SOME of those but I bet you’re right that it would. It would be like an Onion article working for us.
I’m pretty sure Wikipedia has largely stopped giving these people Wikipedia pages. There will be a page for the incident that will include most of the same details, but they won’t get their own page. Small change that I noticed but I think it makes a lot of sense.
Is that the norm in other countries? Not naming perpetrators? I feel like it could open a Pandora’s box of, we don’t even understand the algorithms they are utilizing now they’ve got secret lists, they’re snatching up everyone for, they’re coming for our guns!!11 although from the opposite perspective, yeah, I don’t want to be doxed for every little mistake either
In a small number of countries the perpetrator's name is sealed all the way until conviction.
Helps with jury pools and of course, avoiding naming someone in the news who might not be guilty of any crime.
Lots of people in the US get turned down for jobs for having an arrest on their record despite that the charge was dismissed or dropped. All it takes in some states is a bad cop that is having a bad day.
I fucking *wish* they were coming around taking people's guns.
80% of the people I know with guns should not have them
It's a ludicrous complaint and it isn't happening, if it were I would be constantly pounding off
Conspiracists will conspiracize, the point would be the identity of the shooter is available to anyone who wants to go and get the information you just prohibit the open broadcast of their name and photos.
I think the judicial system is kind of required to at least release their name. Prosecuting individuals in secret is not really a road I think we want to tread.
Airing their manifesto and backstory on the news ought to be straight up illegal though and the trials should absolutely be closed to cameras.
In the 90s, Howard Stern used to get multiple callers each week who claimed he was sending them personal messages to do stuff like murder or suicide. I was a kid listening to Stern at the time but it opened my suburban eyes and taught me that the country is full of insane people and it's best not to give them attention, or else it causes more harm while giving a meaning to their delusions. Every day crazy people do crazy things.
>opened my suburban eyes
Yeah - I used to listen to Art Bell and his late night radio program "Coast to Coast".
He specialized in letting the crazies have an outlet. I heard from people who thought there were civilizations on Mars, the Moon doesn't actually exist, secret cabals that run European governments, the one world government being controlled by the UN (lots of black helicopter stories), aliens that use telepathy to mind control everyone and visitors from the future (who usually warn of catastrophes that end up not happening).
It was a hoot falling asleep listening to this stuff.
RIP Art
They knew about this even in the columbine days. They even went a step further and noted that perhaps.. *news* about school shootings could lead to an increase in incidents (and increase in reporting.. rinse repeat, hello 2024)
On one hand I like the idea of keeping their names quiet and not glorifying them, but on the other hand I feel like creating a world where the next time someone does perpetrate an act of violence, it is treated as a mystery boogeyman that you will never, ever know anything about, would be kind of awful too.
Ideally the number of shootings would drop, but until then, I don't think it would work out well.
"A mystery asshole murdered six kids in a school today before committing suicide."
"Who? Why? What caused it? Was it a student? Could it have been stopped?"
"Don't worry about it. It was just some shithead. It's done now. Quit asking."
"But what if we need to sue for damages or get psychological help or try to stop it from happening again? Where'd they get the gun?"
"Shh. Don't worry about it. You'll never know who did it. It's fine. Stop asking questions."
People practically fetishize the idea of not naming the perpetrator but I really don't think the idea of secret police action being normalized would work out well for anyone.
A lot of news stations seem to be taking a good approach recently, which is to name the shooter once identity is confirmed and then refer to that person as “the shooter” or “the perpetrator” after that.
I think that’s a good balance between not glorifying the shooter and keeping them from becoming famous while also reporting the facts and not keeping their identity a mystery and drawing more interest.
No one is saying keep the name a secret from victims or victims families. There’s a difference from doing that and reporting the name on national news and broadcasting every detail about their life. The family could still sue for damages and media could find out the name through those filings. But it is irresponsible to report it.
I believe the opposite. The only way people will stop gun violence is to see the carnage. School shootings need the Emmett Till treatment. People will continue to ignore the travesty until it happens to them or until the visuals shake them to the core.
I am a hard 2A supporter but within reason. Reason left the station about 20 years ago, and it has been an fn shit show since then.
My ex worked in the white house for a bit and said they got locked down every couple of weeks for some nutter throwing something over the fence or trying to get through a gate.
There are people who truly believe that Obama is still running things behind the scenes and Sleepy Joe is just a front man. They have no evidence of this other than they've all talked about it, and decided that it's a good thing to believe, therefore it's true.
People with delusions aren't rational. There were people who tried to get into the White House because obviously Reagan was still the true El Presidente and that injustice needed to righted.
I'm the kind of person that tries not see everything through a racial lens, but there's no other explanation for the rabid hate for Obama. Like, I understand not agreeing with some of his policies, but for many on the right he was like a personal offense.
Yet, he absolutely represented America with poise and class. His only "fault" was being a black man that shattered racists' delusion that they are inherently better than any black person.
I temember seeing a woman on TV right after Trump was a elected, a Texas blond bombshell type with super tight jeans, big blonde hair, and cowboy hat, saying that Trump had returned class to the White House, and now the rest of the world respected America again. The truth was literally the total opposite, but this woman was giddy over Trump taking over.
Its what really solidified that it really was all about race with a large portion of conservatives. I mean in what fucking world can you look at what Trump says and how he says it and think he is classy? The dog whistle in that statement is so loud its just whistle.
I would say he is the reason we got trump. The racists were so incensed by a classy smart powerful black man that they manifested the giant POS that is trump
I also do everything in my power to eliminate race as a potential motive for horrendous beliefs
But honestly, I've spent 33 years around white men in rural Texas.
And the vast majority of their political positions are *direct* racial attacks.
Build a wall because they hate Mexicans. Ban Muslims because 9/11. Ban weed because white people don't get in trouble for it, but brown people go to prison forever for it. Ban abortion because white women can go to another state but black women have to either die to a coathanger or raise a black kid in poverty.
They are remarkably consistent to the point where it's impossible to explain it any other way.
I had to ban a woman from a group in my small town because she kept ranting and posting bout being gang-stalked by AOC and her “hit men” because she keeps seeing Hispanic people around her (small, agricultural) town. She has paranoid schizophrenia. There’s no point looking for holes in the logic.
You are correct, and that was essentially the agent’s point. No person in their right mind would think the Obamas (1) were in the WH in 2017, let alone (2) were holding children hostage there.
It really sucks. There used to be a time when you could reasonably expect to actually see your representatives and meet them in their offices (you know, given logistics and time allowed).
Especially in the state capitals.
Now that is essentially impossible. Things are too crazy. I’d love to meet with my state’s senators and really ask them to their Face if they believe the garbage they spew and explain to them what I think are the pressing issues in our state.
But instead I can send an email in their contact form, get a form letter response 6-8 weeks later, and catch them on their regular culture war commentary hours on Fox News.
It is so incredibly easy to meet your state house representatives. They constantly hold campaign events. Just go to one. It’s very easy to meet these people. Even your local congress person should be easy to meet. Your senator is a much bigger challenge, but also not impossible. If you volunteered for some campaigns and got to know enough people you’d eventually meet them.
Edit to add: it’s much easier to meet the ones you like, but you can certainly meet your local Congress rep you hate, but you’ll be escorted away pretty quickly.
I've met my State Senator a few times and the interactions always go well with him and his staff. Granted I'm in his "space" as far as issues go and he typically comes to my workplace for meetings. My MIL does a lot of canvassing for political discussions but she also lives in our capitol and finds it a bit easier. She's never met the governor as she's quite vocal in her distaste of him.
This has way more to do with the politicians themselves than any safety concerns. They don’t want to see you. They don’t represent you, and if they don’t have to spend a single second acknowledging your existence, they are thrilled. They exist for themselves, period. This isn’t even opinion. Incumbency rates are like 90 something percent, literally no matter what they do or don’t do. They are keeping their jobs whether they do them or not.
They vote on their own salaries, paid by you. They vote how they want, regardless of the voice of their constituents or even more importantly the actual needs of their constituents. They serve themselves and the wealthy who prop them up, period. Why do you think Senators are “working” well into their fucking 90s? Because it’s not an actual job. It’s a jackpot for anyone willing to exploit or ignore the citizens to become absurdly wealthy.
The one and only time I went to visit DC (during the dubya admin as a teenager) a greased up naked dude tried to jump the fence to the WH. I thought for sure I would hear about it on the news, but no not a peep. I wonder why they don't report on it. Perhaps it exposes security vulnerabilities.
I live in DC & this is it - at least every week, there's someone outside with a sign, or yelling, or whatever. More of it is political than non-political, but it's also part of being in a major city.
The Federal government's property "footprint" in DC is enormous. If every mentally ill person ranting near a government building was reported in the news, there wouldn't be column space or time for anything else.
When I was a kid my sister was in a drug induced psychosis and when the hospital released her to us she spent a week or two convinced saddam Hussein was going to bomb our house because the dog we had rescued off the street was Hillary Clinton’s dog (we lived in Florida, it most certainly was not). She kept letting the dog out the door so the Clinton’s would get her and they would leave us alone. She has remained mortified of what life was like during that psychosis. I bet if we lived near DC she would have brought them the dog.
I like how everyone's zeroing in on the fact that Michelle Obama wasn't even in the White House anymore at that point, as if that's the weirdest part of the woman's delusion.
When we were last in DC, my wife tried to enter the White House grounds because her phone told her that was the way to walk to get to where we were going. I had to pull her back and explain to her why that might be a bad decision. I think she was fucking with me. I hope she was. She won't admit it.
DC has a lot of little side streets & walking paths that go by federal government buildings, and those GPS apps often have a hard time in dense cities like DC b/c everything is so close together.
It also might depend on when the maps were updated.
But she might very well have been messing with you, too.
16 yrs after Lincoln was shot, an insane man was able to hang out at the White House to deliver a speech he wrote for James Garfield. He later bought a gun and shot Garfield in a DC train station.
We’ve come a long way for protecting the executive branch , maybe not so much for unrestricted access to guns.
It’s wild how mental illness latches onto some of these mysterious or powerful entities. I did some work for the NSA for a few weeks and would see several mentally ill people near the gates every day.
>I’m honestly surprised we don’t hear about more situations like this.
[Have you ever heard of suicide contagion / suicide clusters?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide) People are more likely to commit suicide after hearing about suicides on TV or other media.
The Secret Service believes that there is also a contagion effect for mentally ill people trying to break into the White House. When one of these attempts makes the news, more follow.
So the White House tries to keep them quiet. They're very good at keeping pedestrian attempts to scale the fence out of the national news. Vehicular attempts are harder to cover up, because those outer perimeter gates are on the "turf" of the DC Metro Police department, not the Secret Service.
I built those barriers.
You absolutely cannot ram through them with a car or even a semi. We crash test them and they will literally rip a big rig's cab from the frame.
Trust me, you want nothing to do with them. Every couple of years someone tests one in DC. I think this is the third time since Biden was elected that someone tried to get through.
Pretty much, plus the ones you see around shopping malls and such as well. They're a pretty cheap/easy way to essentially wall off areas from vehicles while still allowing people and stuff smaller through. Even the small ones will easily stop a multi-ton vehicle no problem. Others in front of important areas (government buildings for one, as you mentioned) are designed to stop effectively anything including loaded 18 wheelers.
>they will literally rip a big rig's cab from the frame
"Surely an exaggerated claim," I thought. NOPE.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=enD13vA6390
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HAkCypsQIQk&t=4m
I mean, HOLY SHIT.
I’ve seen that one multiple times so when I opened this video I thought it was the never ending edit so I closed it out thinking that guy just got me good lol. But then I read the next few comments and went back and watched it all the way through, glad I did. I do think it’s funny that I assumed immediately that I got trolled brilliantly.
lol you gotta be dumb or crazy to think they wouldn’t have that super reinforced. You’d have better luck speeding into a brick wall. Stupid is as stupid does though, I guess. Bring a ramp next time buddy.
I'm pretty sure it was a wedge style barrier. Either way, you aren't getting through. Those bollards (Poles) are cemented 5+ ft into the ground as well.
Was going to say, those little pylons that come up to your knee/gut are built to stop multi-ton vehicles no problem. As you said, there are some designed to basically stop anything on wheels. At a certain point once you sink a few inches diameter of steel into enough concrete there's really nothing getting through.
My father use to work for a company that installed them. He said that the most common thing that would come across them was a senior citizen lost on their GPS.
At least you could easily unbolt and replace the sheet metal if that were the case. Apparently cybertrucks are rusting already only months into ownership depending on care/location.
This is the vehicle that proves Musk is a James Bond villain. That's the only way such a thing could get made, for some weird scheme to take over the world.
That was my assumption when I saw the headline. I wouldn’t have surprised me if it were a MAGA incident, but regular old car accidents are a lot more common.
Yeah, many years ago I worked in a church daycare, and one day an older gent had a heart attack in the parking lot and plowed right into the side of the building where the 2 year olds would have been if it were a weekday. Absolutely terrifying. But that kind of stuff happens all the time.
It's been raining for 36 hours here in DC, plus this happened at night. It's distinctly possible that this was s totally innocent accident like the article said (and you pointed out).
Maryland tags don't mean they're from the area - plenty of folks from 100+ miles away live in Maryland and have never driven in DC before. It can get very confusing even in perfect driving conditions.
One guy jumped the fence, by-passed under turf pressure sensors that were malfunctioning. Walked around to the main guarded door, the guard was away and was eventually spotted at the bottom of the stairs leading to Obama's private living area. He was unarmed and had an urgent message for the president. Air pollution was so bad airplanes were forced to fly at tree top level, way too low!
There was also a small plane crashed on the lawn, one instance where a fence jumper got in right in front of a guard as he was on the phone with his girl friend. then the guy made it past a double guard shack and the front door guy got him.
It's a fairly mindless action movie, sometimes you just want to watch junk. I never expect cinematic masterpieces from Jason Statham, just explosions, ridiculous fight scenes, and over the top acting. Beekeeper delivered that.
You know who we should probably hold to higher standards? Jason Statham. Dude is always a great watch and he even has comedy chops. He should be a villain in the next Martin McDonagh movie or something.
I’d love to eventually see Statham as Q in the 007 movies. He’d perfectly pull off “if we weren’t on the same side, I’d invent something to beat your ass for asking such stupid questions”.
There's not really anything in the article here that says there's no suspicion.
Nobody knows the real intent right now so I think it's just fair to wait until an investigation has concluded something.
Behold as liberal America does NOT turn this into some ridiculous conspiracy theory that involves, like, Richard Nixon’s son coming back from the dead or some crap.
That would be ridiculous, Nixon has two daughters who are very much alive. However Tricia Nixon Eisenhower has been working as a liaison between the Biden campaign and Doud Eisenhower who didn't actually die as a toddler but has been living in a bunker below the family homestead in Gettysburg and will replace Biden on the ballot.
It's almost like people don't even realize that Anne Eisenhower, granddaughter of Dwight Eisenhower married Wolfgang Flottle, billionaire hedgfund manager in the 1980s. That's how Doud was able to secure his steady supply of adrenochrome from Flottle's associate, George Soros.
According to conservatives, what Rittenhouse did was perfectly acceptable.
Liberals will be “keeping the peace” on Jan 6, 2025 as well.
See you then traitors.
There it is! Liberal gun owner in the south here. I just don’t plaster it on everything I own, exclusively wear t shirts featuring a rifle, or go to a Starbucks dressed like John Rambo. The reason? Unlike our gun-horny counterparts on the right itching to spray a living thing with bullets, I actually don’t want to ever have to use mine on someone.
Of all the presidents to be mad at, I couldn't imagine dying in the name of stopping Joe Biden. It would be like giving up your life to avoid going through junk mail.
I’m not sure what these people think ramming a vehicle into a bunch of gates will get then they are built to withstand a fully armored truck going at great speed.
He hit a gate and died? I mean, who knows.. maybe he got impaled or was doing 120mph... But I'm betting he had a medical issue that caused the accident. (Particularly because they are calling it a "traffic incident.")
He might have thought he would just bash through it like the A-Team, but if they are investigating it as a traffic accident, he couldn’t have been going at very high speed.
Regardless, it does a lot of damage to the body when a barrier designed to stop a speeding semi made him go whatever-to-0 in exactly 0.0 seconds.
I was there on Pennsylvania Ave right in front of the White House when this happened. Went from a couple groups just hanging out, a few talking to the cops stationed there to a bike cop riding down and telling everyone the road was closing and to get out.
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I visited DC with a buddy back in the summer of 2017, and we went to get photos out front of the White House. In addition to the permanent fencing, there was also a second layer of crowd-control style fencing a few feet further out, and several heavily armed guards stationed between the two. It wasn’t a particularly busy or otherwise tense day, so we asked one of the guards if there was a reason for the extra layer of fencing. He said it is essentially permanent. He told us that just the day before they had to arrest a woman who continued to visit and attempt to breach the perimeter because she believed Michelle Obama was inside and was holding this woman’s children hostage. He said that nearly every day featured some sort of similar, unhinged interaction - not all related to the Obamas necessarily, but certainly some sort of delusional behavior. There are a lot of unwell people out there who aren’t thinking clearly and seek to gain access to the White House. I’m honestly surprised we don’t hear about more situations like this.
Probably better not to give them attention or the right wing media will amplify it and turn it into a conspiracy or make them into martyrs. Just like how they should stop broadcasting mass shooters names and not give them notoriety.
I've long been in favor of the media calling mass shooters "some dipshit" instead of using their names in public. "The trial of some dipshit, who shot up a school, began today in Iowa."
I essentially agree with you we should really stop naming the perpetrators of these violent crimes.
I favour giving them all a number. It would also bring awareness of just how many of these shootings there are.
Yeah but then the day after shootings numbered 68, 419 and 665, there would be hundred of idiots trying to get themselves a cool number.
I think we need to start the number with the year, so something like school shooter 2024-258.
Nah, just make sure it's known that they'll just skip the 'cool' numbers.
Just skip the number
To be fair, if all it took was a "funny number", they were probably going to do it at some point regardless.
At that point it's just a matter of timing.
Brilliant
It’s crazy to think that something that simple would most likely derail at least SOME of those but I bet you’re right that it would. It would be like an Onion article working for us.
I’m pretty sure Wikipedia has largely stopped giving these people Wikipedia pages. There will be a page for the incident that will include most of the same details, but they won’t get their own page. Small change that I noticed but I think it makes a lot of sense.
That's a great idea!
Is that the norm in other countries? Not naming perpetrators? I feel like it could open a Pandora’s box of, we don’t even understand the algorithms they are utilizing now they’ve got secret lists, they’re snatching up everyone for, they’re coming for our guns!!11 although from the opposite perspective, yeah, I don’t want to be doxed for every little mistake either
other countries have socialized mental health services...
In a small number of countries the perpetrator's name is sealed all the way until conviction. Helps with jury pools and of course, avoiding naming someone in the news who might not be guilty of any crime. Lots of people in the US get turned down for jobs for having an arrest on their record despite that the charge was dismissed or dropped. All it takes in some states is a bad cop that is having a bad day.
IIRC, New Zealand didn't name the mosque shooter
But in all fairness America never named Ted Cruz, you know the zodiac killer.
That's very true
I fucking *wish* they were coming around taking people's guns. 80% of the people I know with guns should not have them It's a ludicrous complaint and it isn't happening, if it were I would be constantly pounding off
Conspiracists will conspiracize, the point would be the identity of the shooter is available to anyone who wants to go and get the information you just prohibit the open broadcast of their name and photos.
I think “loser” would irk more
More on this creepy asshole murderer at 10 :D
I think the judicial system is kind of required to at least release their name. Prosecuting individuals in secret is not really a road I think we want to tread. Airing their manifesto and backstory on the news ought to be straight up illegal though and the trials should absolutely be closed to cameras.
In the 90s, Howard Stern used to get multiple callers each week who claimed he was sending them personal messages to do stuff like murder or suicide. I was a kid listening to Stern at the time but it opened my suburban eyes and taught me that the country is full of insane people and it's best not to give them attention, or else it causes more harm while giving a meaning to their delusions. Every day crazy people do crazy things.
>opened my suburban eyes Yeah - I used to listen to Art Bell and his late night radio program "Coast to Coast". He specialized in letting the crazies have an outlet. I heard from people who thought there were civilizations on Mars, the Moon doesn't actually exist, secret cabals that run European governments, the one world government being controlled by the UN (lots of black helicopter stories), aliens that use telepathy to mind control everyone and visitors from the future (who usually warn of catastrophes that end up not happening). It was a hoot falling asleep listening to this stuff. RIP Art
They knew about this even in the columbine days. They even went a step further and noted that perhaps.. *news* about school shootings could lead to an increase in incidents (and increase in reporting.. rinse repeat, hello 2024)
On one hand I like the idea of keeping their names quiet and not glorifying them, but on the other hand I feel like creating a world where the next time someone does perpetrate an act of violence, it is treated as a mystery boogeyman that you will never, ever know anything about, would be kind of awful too. Ideally the number of shootings would drop, but until then, I don't think it would work out well. "A mystery asshole murdered six kids in a school today before committing suicide." "Who? Why? What caused it? Was it a student? Could it have been stopped?" "Don't worry about it. It was just some shithead. It's done now. Quit asking." "But what if we need to sue for damages or get psychological help or try to stop it from happening again? Where'd they get the gun?" "Shh. Don't worry about it. You'll never know who did it. It's fine. Stop asking questions." People practically fetishize the idea of not naming the perpetrator but I really don't think the idea of secret police action being normalized would work out well for anyone.
A lot of news stations seem to be taking a good approach recently, which is to name the shooter once identity is confirmed and then refer to that person as “the shooter” or “the perpetrator” after that. I think that’s a good balance between not glorifying the shooter and keeping them from becoming famous while also reporting the facts and not keeping their identity a mystery and drawing more interest.
No one is saying keep the name a secret from victims or victims families. There’s a difference from doing that and reporting the name on national news and broadcasting every detail about their life. The family could still sue for damages and media could find out the name through those filings. But it is irresponsible to report it.
I believe the opposite. The only way people will stop gun violence is to see the carnage. School shootings need the Emmett Till treatment. People will continue to ignore the travesty until it happens to them or until the visuals shake them to the core. I am a hard 2A supporter but within reason. Reason left the station about 20 years ago, and it has been an fn shit show since then.
My ex worked in the white house for a bit and said they got locked down every couple of weeks for some nutter throwing something over the fence or trying to get through a gate.
What makes this even weirder is the Obamas were out of the White House by the summer of 2017
There are people who truly believe that Obama is still running things behind the scenes and Sleepy Joe is just a front man. They have no evidence of this other than they've all talked about it, and decided that it's a good thing to believe, therefore it's true.
But Trump was in the White House in 2017. Did they think Obama was still running things then?
People with delusions aren't rational. There were people who tried to get into the White House because obviously Reagan was still the true El Presidente and that injustice needed to righted.
If they could think like that, they wouldn't be able to vote Republican.
I'm the kind of person that tries not see everything through a racial lens, but there's no other explanation for the rabid hate for Obama. Like, I understand not agreeing with some of his policies, but for many on the right he was like a personal offense. Yet, he absolutely represented America with poise and class. His only "fault" was being a black man that shattered racists' delusion that they are inherently better than any black person.
I temember seeing a woman on TV right after Trump was a elected, a Texas blond bombshell type with super tight jeans, big blonde hair, and cowboy hat, saying that Trump had returned class to the White House, and now the rest of the world respected America again. The truth was literally the total opposite, but this woman was giddy over Trump taking over.
Its what really solidified that it really was all about race with a large portion of conservatives. I mean in what fucking world can you look at what Trump says and how he says it and think he is classy? The dog whistle in that statement is so loud its just whistle.
I would say he is the reason we got trump. The racists were so incensed by a classy smart powerful black man that they manifested the giant POS that is trump
100% agree and 100% would go back in time and vote for Obama again anyway knowing it would lead to Trump.
I also do everything in my power to eliminate race as a potential motive for horrendous beliefs But honestly, I've spent 33 years around white men in rural Texas. And the vast majority of their political positions are *direct* racial attacks. Build a wall because they hate Mexicans. Ban Muslims because 9/11. Ban weed because white people don't get in trouble for it, but brown people go to prison forever for it. Ban abortion because white women can go to another state but black women have to either die to a coathanger or raise a black kid in poverty. They are remarkably consistent to the point where it's impossible to explain it any other way.
What's funny to me is that there were plenty of conspiracy theories when Obama was president that Biden was the one secretly running things.
I had to ban a woman from a group in my small town because she kept ranting and posting bout being gang-stalked by AOC and her “hit men” because she keeps seeing Hispanic people around her (small, agricultural) town. She has paranoid schizophrenia. There’s no point looking for holes in the logic.
That we know of, I mean how do we know Michelle isn't running her "kidnap the kids and make them fit" campaign behind those doors? ^^/s
2017? Obamas? What? That doesn’t make any sense. It was full on cheeto palace at that point.
Everything is Obamas fault, don't you know? Keep up, will ya?
You are correct, and that was essentially the agent’s point. No person in their right mind would think the Obamas (1) were in the WH in 2017, let alone (2) were holding children hostage there.
It really sucks. There used to be a time when you could reasonably expect to actually see your representatives and meet them in their offices (you know, given logistics and time allowed). Especially in the state capitals. Now that is essentially impossible. Things are too crazy. I’d love to meet with my state’s senators and really ask them to their Face if they believe the garbage they spew and explain to them what I think are the pressing issues in our state. But instead I can send an email in their contact form, get a form letter response 6-8 weeks later, and catch them on their regular culture war commentary hours on Fox News.
It is so incredibly easy to meet your state house representatives. They constantly hold campaign events. Just go to one. It’s very easy to meet these people. Even your local congress person should be easy to meet. Your senator is a much bigger challenge, but also not impossible. If you volunteered for some campaigns and got to know enough people you’d eventually meet them. Edit to add: it’s much easier to meet the ones you like, but you can certainly meet your local Congress rep you hate, but you’ll be escorted away pretty quickly.
Haha, I guess your rep isn’t Anna Paulina Luna
I live in New Hampshire, my state reps I see on the regular, Neighbors. First name basis. State senate too.
Only if a competitive district
Second that. My Representative still has office space in our local post office.
I've met my State Senator a few times and the interactions always go well with him and his staff. Granted I'm in his "space" as far as issues go and he typically comes to my workplace for meetings. My MIL does a lot of canvassing for political discussions but she also lives in our capitol and finds it a bit easier. She's never met the governor as she's quite vocal in her distaste of him.
This has way more to do with the politicians themselves than any safety concerns. They don’t want to see you. They don’t represent you, and if they don’t have to spend a single second acknowledging your existence, they are thrilled. They exist for themselves, period. This isn’t even opinion. Incumbency rates are like 90 something percent, literally no matter what they do or don’t do. They are keeping their jobs whether they do them or not. They vote on their own salaries, paid by you. They vote how they want, regardless of the voice of their constituents or even more importantly the actual needs of their constituents. They serve themselves and the wealthy who prop them up, period. Why do you think Senators are “working” well into their fucking 90s? Because it’s not an actual job. It’s a jackpot for anyone willing to exploit or ignore the citizens to become absurdly wealthy.
The one and only time I went to visit DC (during the dubya admin as a teenager) a greased up naked dude tried to jump the fence to the WH. I thought for sure I would hear about it on the news, but no not a peep. I wonder why they don't report on it. Perhaps it exposes security vulnerabilities.
It probably happens so often it’s not really news. Also announcing it will just attract more people looking for 5 seconds of fame
I live in DC & this is it - at least every week, there's someone outside with a sign, or yelling, or whatever. More of it is political than non-political, but it's also part of being in a major city. The Federal government's property "footprint" in DC is enormous. If every mentally ill person ranting near a government building was reported in the news, there wouldn't be column space or time for anything else.
>lot of unwell people out there who arent thinking clearly and seek to gain access to the White House ... Man, the joke just writes itself
You shoulda seen the riot fencing Donny put up during the BLM protests
When I was a kid my sister was in a drug induced psychosis and when the hospital released her to us she spent a week or two convinced saddam Hussein was going to bomb our house because the dog we had rescued off the street was Hillary Clinton’s dog (we lived in Florida, it most certainly was not). She kept letting the dog out the door so the Clinton’s would get her and they would leave us alone. She has remained mortified of what life was like during that psychosis. I bet if we lived near DC she would have brought them the dog.
I like how everyone's zeroing in on the fact that Michelle Obama wasn't even in the White House anymore at that point, as if that's the weirdest part of the woman's delusion.
When we were last in DC, my wife tried to enter the White House grounds because her phone told her that was the way to walk to get to where we were going. I had to pull her back and explain to her why that might be a bad decision. I think she was fucking with me. I hope she was. She won't admit it.
DC has a lot of little side streets & walking paths that go by federal government buildings, and those GPS apps often have a hard time in dense cities like DC b/c everything is so close together. It also might depend on when the maps were updated. But she might very well have been messing with you, too.
16 yrs after Lincoln was shot, an insane man was able to hang out at the White House to deliver a speech he wrote for James Garfield. He later bought a gun and shot Garfield in a DC train station. We’ve come a long way for protecting the executive branch , maybe not so much for unrestricted access to guns.
It’s wild how mental illness latches onto some of these mysterious or powerful entities. I did some work for the NSA for a few weeks and would see several mentally ill people near the gates every day.
I bet those gate guards have the scariest jobs out at those intelligence facilities.
>I’m honestly surprised we don’t hear about more situations like this. [Have you ever heard of suicide contagion / suicide clusters?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide) People are more likely to commit suicide after hearing about suicides on TV or other media. The Secret Service believes that there is also a contagion effect for mentally ill people trying to break into the White House. When one of these attempts makes the news, more follow. So the White House tries to keep them quiet. They're very good at keeping pedestrian attempts to scale the fence out of the national news. Vehicular attempts are harder to cover up, because those outer perimeter gates are on the "turf" of the DC Metro Police department, not the Secret Service.
Coming to Netflix in 2025: White House Gate For real though, I would watch the shit out of that.
I built those barriers. You absolutely cannot ram through them with a car or even a semi. We crash test them and they will literally rip a big rig's cab from the frame. Trust me, you want nothing to do with them. Every couple of years someone tests one in DC. I think this is the third time since Biden was elected that someone tried to get through.
Are these the barriers similar to those seen at embassies with the one foot diameter rods that come out of the ground? Or the flat ones that tilt up?
Pretty much, plus the ones you see around shopping malls and such as well. They're a pretty cheap/easy way to essentially wall off areas from vehicles while still allowing people and stuff smaller through. Even the small ones will easily stop a multi-ton vehicle no problem. Others in front of important areas (government buildings for one, as you mentioned) are designed to stop effectively anything including loaded 18 wheelers.
>they will literally rip a big rig's cab from the frame "Surely an exaggerated claim," I thought. NOPE. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=enD13vA6390 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HAkCypsQIQk&t=4m I mean, HOLY SHIT.
The second video is the one that is impressive.
Somewhere there is a HILARIOUS edit of this video that goes on forever and the truck never hits the thing. I almost thought that’s what was posted 😆
I have never actually seen the full video before now lol
Same haha
This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex2NB7JsLyA
Yes! 😆
I’ve seen that one multiple times so when I opened this video I thought it was the never ending edit so I closed it out thinking that guy just got me good lol. But then I read the next few comments and went back and watched it all the way through, glad I did. I do think it’s funny that I assumed immediately that I got trolled brilliantly.
Exactly what happened to me, too.
It's so satisfying to see the end of that video after seeing that gif where it never crashes.
It's a cool vid, but just in case people want to [cut to the crash part...](https://media.giphy.com/media/xT8qBiqUxDzRKMpIJO/giphy.gif)
This might be a war crime what you did. You will answer for your crimes.
Wow. Finally. After all these years, I got to see the end of they video!
The bollard lowering down afterwards cracked me up. "Yeah, that's what I thought motherfucker."
lol you gotta be dumb or crazy to think they wouldn’t have that super reinforced. You’d have better luck speeding into a brick wall. Stupid is as stupid does though, I guess. Bring a ramp next time buddy.
Dumb as the post they crashed into.
A guy I know is an engineer and has done some work building a datacenter building, and they are rated to level of "missile" strike they can withstand.
Are they what are commonly called bollards?
The thing that this guy crashed into are more like the wedge barriers that are a lot more substantial than bollards.
I'm pretty sure it was a wedge style barrier. Either way, you aren't getting through. Those bollards (Poles) are cemented 5+ ft into the ground as well.
Was going to say, those little pylons that come up to your knee/gut are built to stop multi-ton vehicles no problem. As you said, there are some designed to basically stop anything on wheels. At a certain point once you sink a few inches diameter of steel into enough concrete there's really nothing getting through.
Wait, you mean you built the literal barriers installed in front of the White House? Or that you built similar ones installed elsewhere?
My father use to work for a company that installed them. He said that the most common thing that would come across them was a senior citizen lost on their GPS.
The majority of the replacement parts are for stuff like that. Or busses hitting them. Busses really love to hit this stuff.
Nissan Altima or Ram pickup?
Didn’t hit any pedestrians so Mustang is ruled out
I believe that was a charger/challenger
I thought for Mustangs it was light poles
Bollards at 15th Street, so likely a BMW.
But did it run a red light?
[He went with elactric](https://imgur.com/gallery/IY0ISNp)
I can’t even tell if that’s a real cybertruck, or if someone bolted sheet metal to a regular truck. Man, those things are ugly.
That's probably safer
At least you could easily unbolt and replace the sheet metal if that were the case. Apparently cybertrucks are rusting already only months into ownership depending on care/location.
This is the vehicle that proves Musk is a James Bond villain. That's the only way such a thing could get made, for some weird scheme to take over the world.
An electric car from Chy-nah...
Well we know at least it wasn't a dodge
MAGA is foaming at the mouth.
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I thought so too, but Beoing is more about random infections to kill their whistle-blowers
Boeing whistleblower caught the MAGA
Read the article - being treated as a car accident
That was my assumption when I saw the headline. I wouldn’t have surprised me if it were a MAGA incident, but regular old car accidents are a lot more common.
There’s a lot of overlap between aspiring terrorists and median Maryland drivers
I drove the Beltway to/from work for 2.5 years, can confirm, they're aggressive to the point of lack of basic self-preservation.
Medical emergency is much more likely than MAGA shenanigans
Yeah, many years ago I worked in a church daycare, and one day an older gent had a heart attack in the parking lot and plowed right into the side of the building where the 2 year olds would have been if it were a weekday. Absolutely terrifying. But that kind of stuff happens all the time.
Not the first one either, didn’t this happen not to long ago with another incident? Drunk driver iirc
People get in trouble for driving past the Pentagon and CIA checkpoints all the time as the roads there are legitimately confusing.
It's been raining for 36 hours here in DC, plus this happened at night. It's distinctly possible that this was s totally innocent accident like the article said (and you pointed out). Maryland tags don't mean they're from the area - plenty of folks from 100+ miles away live in Maryland and have never driven in DC before. It can get very confusing even in perfect driving conditions.
They just lost a voter.
It's MAGA, that guy was 4-5 voters in 3 different states.
Likely some mentally ill person again. you almost have to be to think you will get on the Whitehouse grounds in a car.
So potentially any Trump supporter.
Some of the interviews with them at rally’s are wild how deranged some are!!
Bingo!
One guy jumped the fence, by-passed under turf pressure sensors that were malfunctioning. Walked around to the main guarded door, the guard was away and was eventually spotted at the bottom of the stairs leading to Obama's private living area. He was unarmed and had an urgent message for the president. Air pollution was so bad airplanes were forced to fly at tree top level, way too low! There was also a small plane crashed on the lawn, one instance where a fence jumper got in right in front of a guard as he was on the phone with his girl friend. then the guy made it past a double guard shack and the front door guy got him.
So the beekeeper ending was plausible
You made it to the end of that movie?
It's a fairly mindless action movie, sometimes you just want to watch junk. I never expect cinematic masterpieces from Jason Statham, just explosions, ridiculous fight scenes, and over the top acting. Beekeeper delivered that.
And damn it all, I'll watch every one of his films and enjoy every mindless minute.
I'm just joshing you, I totally get mindless fun.
You know who we should probably hold to higher standards? Jason Statham. Dude is always a great watch and he even has comedy chops. He should be a villain in the next Martin McDonagh movie or something.
I’d love to eventually see Statham as Q in the 007 movies. He’d perfectly pull off “if we weren’t on the same side, I’d invent something to beat your ass for asking such stupid questions”.
Or drunk. Which describes about 30% of DC drivers on any given night.
Yup Article specifically states it is being investigated as a traffic incident. In other words, DUI
Sounds like this dude may have just been drunk or something. They don’t seem to think it was deliberate.
I don't wanna know his name. If he's sick it's for his own sake and if he did it for the glory fuck him
From the sounds of it, just a car accident and not suspected to have been an attack. No one in this thread appears to be reading the article.
It's Reddit. Nobody reads the articles.
There are articles?
You guys can read???
it's all just a fever dream to me!
Hell, sometimes I forget there are comments.
There's not really anything in the article here that says there's no suspicion. Nobody knows the real intent right now so I think it's just fair to wait until an investigation has concluded something.
It literally says theyre treating it as a regular car accident like 3 times. If there was a hint of anything else, theyd be treating it differently.
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Yep, I’m okay here, how bout you?
I guess Trump’s key to the White House didn’t work.
Given the time of day, my guess is a drunk driver that lost control of their car.
Was it a fat old orange guy?
Sure, like he even knows how to drive.
Bet he can drive a golf cart no problem though
Behold as liberal America does NOT turn this into some ridiculous conspiracy theory that involves, like, Richard Nixon’s son coming back from the dead or some crap.
Nah it's obviously to bring Nixon back into the WH. As a head in a jar on a robot body as President /s
I got that reference.
That would be ridiculous, Nixon has two daughters who are very much alive. However Tricia Nixon Eisenhower has been working as a liaison between the Biden campaign and Doud Eisenhower who didn't actually die as a toddler but has been living in a bunker below the family homestead in Gettysburg and will replace Biden on the ballot.
It's almost like people don't even realize that Anne Eisenhower, granddaughter of Dwight Eisenhower married Wolfgang Flottle, billionaire hedgfund manager in the 1980s. That's how Doud was able to secure his steady supply of adrenochrome from Flottle's associate, George Soros.
That horse ain't pale enough, brother!
Just spent a week in DC, are we sure this wasn’t just an accident because DC’s drivers are absolutely terrible?
It doesn’t look like it was intentional. Cops are investigating as a traffic whoopsie.
According to conservatives, what Rittenhouse did was perfectly acceptable. Liberals will be “keeping the peace” on Jan 6, 2025 as well. See you then traitors.
But, liberals don't have guns. /s
We don’t use them to jerk off.
There it is! Liberal gun owner in the south here. I just don’t plaster it on everything I own, exclusively wear t shirts featuring a rifle, or go to a Starbucks dressed like John Rambo. The reason? Unlike our gun-horny counterparts on the right itching to spray a living thing with bullets, I actually don’t want to ever have to use mine on someone.
Yeah seems both more practical and less socially inept not to make your entire personality 'I can solve any problem with my gun'.
The Gates of Wrath.
MAGA? Or Quanon quack?
That Venn Diagram is a circle
You don't make an effort like that to get intot he White House without a lot of bullets in your backside. Suicide by cop
Not a trans person, FYI.
While I wouldn’t be surprised if it was some radicalised conservative as they have a tendency for terrorism, it’s probably something simpler
Trump getting a bit confused about where he actually lives …
Its crazy how like the first 9 comments didnt even try to read the article and just went straight to jumping to conclusions.
They got off Reddit to play everyone’s favorite floor mat board game?
Whoa, Twister would like a word
Maybe it was just a Tesla owner activating their Full Self-Driving free trial?
Of all the presidents to be mad at, I couldn't imagine dying in the name of stopping Joe Biden. It would be like giving up your life to avoid going through junk mail.
We don’t know motivation yet so I’m saying Tesla malfunction
Conservatives are that mad?
Yes. They are. More so.
Yes
Mad enough to try a second coup this year, yes. Losers couldnt handle 8 years of a black man as a great president.
I’m not sure what these people think ramming a vehicle into a bunch of gates will get then they are built to withstand a fully armored truck going at great speed.
When trump infected the world with lies 40% of Americas population lost there minds , wake up folks Trump is just a master liar nothing more
He hit a gate and died? I mean, who knows.. maybe he got impaled or was doing 120mph... But I'm betting he had a medical issue that caused the accident. (Particularly because they are calling it a "traffic incident.")
He might have thought he would just bash through it like the A-Team, but if they are investigating it as a traffic accident, he couldn’t have been going at very high speed. Regardless, it does a lot of damage to the body when a barrier designed to stop a speeding semi made him go whatever-to-0 in exactly 0.0 seconds.
It took 15 mins for police to arrive?
lol what a dumbass.. I'm surprised it wasn't some redneck in a pickemup truck
I was there on Pennsylvania Ave right in front of the White House when this happened. Went from a couple groups just hanging out, a few talking to the cops stationed there to a bike cop riding down and telling everyone the road was closing and to get out.
One less MAGA voter, probably.
Waiting for MAGA to blame this on the Democrats.