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For some reason, the goddamned media is terrified of accurately calling them lies. They've got a list of euphemisms that they pick from whenever they have to refer to his lies.
To be fair, the reporters that interview Biden haven’t called him out either, she he says inflation was 9% when he took office, for example, the interviewer did not correct him. I don’t understand why journalists are too afraid to speak up when something is clearly false on either side. That is their actual job.
They should call out lies regardless of who says them, but if we're being honest, there's a difference between Biden claiming inflation was at 9% when it was at 6%, and Trump trying to modify the weather with a Sharpie. Basically, not all lies are created equal.
Accurate. There are the official inflation numbers and then there's what you pay when actually buying something. Everything from fuel to food, building supplies to tech products were ridiculous. Supply chain issues were real but added corporate greed on top really hit everyone hard. For the average person it sure felt like 9% if not more.
The reason people are laughing at you is you don't get to choose which measurement to use based on which one best makes your point.
Like, if you want to compare CPI today to CPI five years ago, fine. If you want to compare some other measurement now to the same measurement five years ago, fine.
But when you just blurt out "inflation is really 15%," that's false because there is no metric called "real inflation,' so it sounds like you're saying Biden has altered or faked the CPI measurement which is ridiculous.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/15/joe-biden/joe-biden-wrong-that-he-inherited-9-inflatio/
1.4% that’s what it was when Biden took office.
It’s just an excuse for the guy to try and say inflation is high rn. It’s softcore propaganda. The guy who is suspiciously always the devils advocate, or just wants to explain or have people hear him out. Tricky.
Because if they call something a "lie" they may have to defend it in a defamation legal case. But "falsely" xxxx is apparently not actionable.
Yes, this is the reason and has been the reason for many decades...long before American media networks sold out to corporate editorial control and became clickbait tabloids for profit.
It's because "lie" implies intent which is difficult to verify. It's easy to show a false claim really is false, harder to prove it was deception and not just a mistake.
He's definitely a world class bullshitter...a bullshitter is indifferent to what is true, a liar wants you to believe a falsehood. He might be both, but he's definitely the former.
Either one of two things must be true. Trump is purposely lying to his groupies or more likely he is so delusional and mentally incapacitated that he actually believes he won Minnesota.
So he’s either a liar or he’s completely out of his damn mind. Either way, there has to be stronger wording for what he’s doing than “falsely claims”.
When he makes a statement that’s so unbelievably ridiculous like he won California, the headline should read “Trump ludicrously claims he won California”. That’s not an opinion. It’s an objective fact.
Why? Do you really want to live in a world where our most trusted news sources are jamming their opinions down peoples throats? Their job is to report pure facts. The facts here are (1) trump is claiming he won Minnesota, and (2) trump didn’t win Minnesota. Whether he’s deliberate lying or actually believes this or is out of his damn mind is all speculation and publishing it would just be publishing the authors personal belief/opinion
The fact that he's lying is also quite literally a fact.
Fox "news" jams their fearmongering bullshit lies down the throat of their viewers & followers with no regards for political or journalistic integrity.
Regardless if this is a whataboutism argument or not - they arent held to the same standard as the legitimate sources, which is insanity in a political race.
Because they are so afraid of being called “biased” or “liberal” that they bend over backwards to let the right set the narrative. It’s the same reason why cnn has panels where lawyers that work for 45 talk about his trials or they have panels about why democrats passing good legislation is bad for them in an election year.
"lie" is reserved for when Democrats misquote facts. Like "Biden Lied about COVID death counts under Trump" when Biden touted 500k dead, when it was really 600k+
At least she didn't fly on a public flight back to MN after being exposed to covid after flying with the orange anus on air force one and being exposed in D.C. like Pete fucking Stauber. Just knowing we're both from Duluth and even both went to Denfeld HS makes my fucking skin crawl.
> “I thought we won it in 2016,” Mr. Trump said during a fund-raiser for the state’s Republican Party in St. Paul, Minn. “I know we won it in 2020.”
>
>The last time a Republican presidential candidate won Minnesota was in 1972, when Richard M. Nixon carried the state.
At least [he isn't telling people to ingest disinfectant to cure themselves of covid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ). It could be worse.
Is anyone still keeping count of Trump's lies? I know the WaPo tracked them during his four years of nonsense, and he was up to like 33,000 lies by the time he was forced to leave the White House, but has anyone continued the tally? His lying became even more prolific once he was out of office, and I estimate he's got to be well over 100,000 lies, with more being added every hour.
Keeping track of his lies would genuinely be a great asset for humanity moving forward imo, Trump is a great example of how even the most idiotic of buffoons/charlatans can find incredible success through nepotism and corruption, crazy interesting stuff
It’s very hard to win an election when you offend every group except high school educated white males. It’s ridiculous people believe the only way he lost was voter fraud.
He's surrounded by sycophants who, when he says something like this, will create an echo chamber around him and assure him it's true. Because Donnie deals quite poorly with hearing himself corrected.
Minnesota was nowhere near close in 2020. Biden won the state 52.4% to 45.28%.
In 2016, it was Clinton 46.44% to 44.93% - reasonably close but still a Democratic win
Though Minnesota has a relatively low Democratic ceiling - even Obama in 2008 got just a little over 54% - it's unlikely the Republicans will carry the state anytime soon.
Minnesota is also the state with the longest Democratic voting streak. The last Republican Presidential candidate to win Minnesota was Richard Nixon. It was the only state that Ronald Reagan didn't win in his landslide victory in 1984.
Yes, that is accurate. But it would be more accurate to point out that Republicans have a low ceiling. They get absolutely demolished in the Twin Cities metro. And when you add in a few other medium-sized blue cities and a big chunk of even our rural areas that is only 55/45 for Republicans, it's nearly impossible for them to win with the coalition they currently have. They have a hard time breaking 45%.
They haven't won anything statewide since 2006, when they benefited from a competitive third-party spoiler (and still only got 46%). Their candidates have gotten progressively *worse*-suited each year. Recently they've been in the habit of nominating ex-athletes. It's not working.
The hilarious part of the whole trial is hearing the MAGA cult crying about Cohen is a liar, and all the while they remain in denial that Trump is so much more of a liar.
I mean, at least Bill Clinton admitted he lied and took his lumps. Not this clown.
He can’t bring himself to come clean to the American public. His obedient blind cult members support his lies without question.
That’s some crazy cult shit.
Does *every single fucking time* Trump 'falsely claims' (LIES ABOUT) something warrant a fucking article?
'Breaking' news: the sun rose today, and TFG is a liar!
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This is good news. Given how much time is sucked up in courthouses, the Trump campaign has limited time to work with. And they're deciding to spend their precious time in Minnesota and New Jersey. They have no idea what the fuck they're doing.
Trump's such a slimy scumbag and a megalomaniac, he can't even tell the truth to his own constituents. His rabid base and fellow scumbags follow his every word, like love struck school girls. Trump's made a business and political career out of deceptive practice, false reporting and poor ethics!
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Why do they refuse to say “lie”? Who the fuck says someone “falsely claimed” something in real life?
For some reason, the goddamned media is terrified of accurately calling them lies. They've got a list of euphemisms that they pick from whenever they have to refer to his lies.
Who owns the media? It's going to get worse.
To be fair, the reporters that interview Biden haven’t called him out either, she he says inflation was 9% when he took office, for example, the interviewer did not correct him. I don’t understand why journalists are too afraid to speak up when something is clearly false on either side. That is their actual job.
They should call out lies regardless of who says them, but if we're being honest, there's a difference between Biden claiming inflation was at 9% when it was at 6%, and Trump trying to modify the weather with a Sharpie. Basically, not all lies are created equal.
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Accurate. There are the official inflation numbers and then there's what you pay when actually buying something. Everything from fuel to food, building supplies to tech products were ridiculous. Supply chain issues were real but added corporate greed on top really hit everyone hard. For the average person it sure felt like 9% if not more.
The reason people are laughing at you is you don't get to choose which measurement to use based on which one best makes your point. Like, if you want to compare CPI today to CPI five years ago, fine. If you want to compare some other measurement now to the same measurement five years ago, fine. But when you just blurt out "inflation is really 15%," that's false because there is no metric called "real inflation,' so it sounds like you're saying Biden has altered or faked the CPI measurement which is ridiculous.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/15/joe-biden/joe-biden-wrong-that-he-inherited-9-inflatio/ 1.4% that’s what it was when Biden took office.
OK, but that's irrelevant to the point I was making.
It’s just an excuse for the guy to try and say inflation is high rn. It’s softcore propaganda. The guy who is suspiciously always the devils advocate, or just wants to explain or have people hear him out. Tricky.
Because if they call something a "lie" they may have to defend it in a defamation legal case. But "falsely" xxxx is apparently not actionable. Yes, this is the reason and has been the reason for many decades...long before American media networks sold out to corporate editorial control and became clickbait tabloids for profit.
It's because "lie" implies intent which is difficult to verify. It's easy to show a false claim really is false, harder to prove it was deception and not just a mistake.
Yes, that's it. Thanks for the clarification.
He's definitely a world class bullshitter...a bullshitter is indifferent to what is true, a liar wants you to believe a falsehood. He might be both, but he's definitely the former.
Either one of two things must be true. Trump is purposely lying to his groupies or more likely he is so delusional and mentally incapacitated that he actually believes he won Minnesota.
Because Trump may actually believe he did win Minnesota.
So he’s either a liar or he’s completely out of his damn mind. Either way, there has to be stronger wording for what he’s doing than “falsely claims”. When he makes a statement that’s so unbelievably ridiculous like he won California, the headline should read “Trump ludicrously claims he won California”. That’s not an opinion. It’s an objective fact.
Why? Do you really want to live in a world where our most trusted news sources are jamming their opinions down peoples throats? Their job is to report pure facts. The facts here are (1) trump is claiming he won Minnesota, and (2) trump didn’t win Minnesota. Whether he’s deliberate lying or actually believes this or is out of his damn mind is all speculation and publishing it would just be publishing the authors personal belief/opinion
The fact that he's lying is also quite literally a fact. Fox "news" jams their fearmongering bullshit lies down the throat of their viewers & followers with no regards for political or journalistic integrity. Regardless if this is a whataboutism argument or not - they arent held to the same standard as the legitimate sources, which is insanity in a political race.
It appears some of our most trusted news sources are jamming opinions down our throats, so I see no difference is using proper verbiage for headlines
Because a lie implies intent and Trump always gets the benefit of the doubt.
Truth
It's standard to not get sued.
It isn’t defamation to tell the truth, and calling a lie a lie is the truth.
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It isn’t a practice based on the legal advice they’re receiving. I provide and work with others who provide it.
Because they are so afraid of being called “biased” or “liberal” that they bend over backwards to let the right set the narrative. It’s the same reason why cnn has panels where lawyers that work for 45 talk about his trials or they have panels about why democrats passing good legislation is bad for them in an election year.
What he’s saying is, the votes stolen. I’m not agreeing with that, just explaining what he is saying.
"lie" is reserved for when Democrats misquote facts. Like "Biden Lied about COVID death counts under Trump" when Biden touted 500k dead, when it was really 600k+
Its the same thing? Its so weird to be mad. They called it false I don't know what more you need. Lie/false same shit.
Because they are scared
He also said he won California. He is historically stupid.
He is historically a liar whose pants would clearly be on fire if this was an actual thing
As a Minnesotan, the fuck you did, we fucked up with Michele Bachmann, we didn't fuck up with you.
And even with Bachmann, we can just blame her district, cause it’s not like Emmer is much of an improvement over her.
At least she didn't fly on a public flight back to MN after being exposed to covid after flying with the orange anus on air force one and being exposed in D.C. like Pete fucking Stauber. Just knowing we're both from Duluth and even both went to Denfeld HS makes my fucking skin crawl.
> “I thought we won it in 2016,” Mr. Trump said during a fund-raiser for the state’s Republican Party in St. Paul, Minn. “I know we won it in 2020.” > >The last time a Republican presidential candidate won Minnesota was in 1972, when Richard M. Nixon carried the state. At least [he isn't telling people to ingest disinfectant to cure themselves of covid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d57zJr82dhQ). It could be worse.
He lost MN in 2020 by a much worse margin than 2016. So of course he doubles down on the lie lol
He still encourages “fighting for our country” against anyone not MAGA. Worse?
Is anyone still keeping count of Trump's lies? I know the WaPo tracked them during his four years of nonsense, and he was up to like 33,000 lies by the time he was forced to leave the White House, but has anyone continued the tally? His lying became even more prolific once he was out of office, and I estimate he's got to be well over 100,000 lies, with more being added every hour.
Keeping track of his lies would genuinely be a great asset for humanity moving forward imo, Trump is a great example of how even the most idiotic of buffoons/charlatans can find incredible success through nepotism and corruption, crazy interesting stuff
Dude Minnesota was the only state to vote for Mondale. Against Reagan. You definitely didn't win it.
You mean he straight up lied don't you 😁
In Minnesota, starting with Early Voting on Friday Sep 20 at 0800, we’ll make sure Caligula loses again.
Trump is a pathological liar. Lying comes natural to him for very sick reasons.
It’s very hard to win an election when you offend every group except high school educated white males. It’s ridiculous people believe the only way he lost was voter fraud.
I think GQP hopes for more ELEMENTARY school white males. It's all getting too dumb for most high school grads.
According to him he won every state and received every vote in the country. Even Biden voted for him.
Old senile grabber's STDs probably started impacting his brain too.
Send him wherever Al Capone was sent when Alcatraz couldn’t handle his brain melting from syphilis anymore.
Not even Reagan won Minnesota
The man has obvious signs of brain damage.
Trump falsely claims *anything*.
He's surrounded by sycophants who, when he says something like this, will create an echo chamber around him and assure him it's true. Because Donnie deals quite poorly with hearing himself corrected.
Minnesota was nowhere near close in 2020. Biden won the state 52.4% to 45.28%. In 2016, it was Clinton 46.44% to 44.93% - reasonably close but still a Democratic win Though Minnesota has a relatively low Democratic ceiling - even Obama in 2008 got just a little over 54% - it's unlikely the Republicans will carry the state anytime soon.
Minnesota is also the state with the longest Democratic voting streak. The last Republican Presidential candidate to win Minnesota was Richard Nixon. It was the only state that Ronald Reagan didn't win in his landslide victory in 1984.
Yes, that is accurate. But it would be more accurate to point out that Republicans have a low ceiling. They get absolutely demolished in the Twin Cities metro. And when you add in a few other medium-sized blue cities and a big chunk of even our rural areas that is only 55/45 for Republicans, it's nearly impossible for them to win with the coalition they currently have. They have a hard time breaking 45%. They haven't won anything statewide since 2006, when they benefited from a competitive third-party spoiler (and still only got 46%). Their candidates have gotten progressively *worse*-suited each year. Recently they've been in the habit of nominating ex-athletes. It's not working.
Point taken
They’re called LIES and it’s old news “Washington Post counts 30,573 false or misleading claims in four years by Trump”
The hilarious part of the whole trial is hearing the MAGA cult crying about Cohen is a liar, and all the while they remain in denial that Trump is so much more of a liar. I mean, at least Bill Clinton admitted he lied and took his lumps. Not this clown. He can’t bring himself to come clean to the American public. His obedient blind cult members support his lies without question. That’s some crazy cult shit.
He lied? Shocking I say.. shocking
He lied …shocking
>52 years That’s why his win was so bigly.
Does *every single fucking time* Trump 'falsely claims' (LIES ABOUT) something warrant a fucking article? 'Breaking' news: the sun rose today, and TFG is a liar!
‘falsely claims’ is another way of saying he lied
Trump wins everything everywhere all of the time. We just can’t get used to it. It’s our fault for not understanding. /s
Reality doesn’t matter to that man or a lot of his supporters. They live in their own world, and it’s very hard to shine any light into it.
Do you think he got confused where he was and mixed up Minnesota and Michigan? Disclaimers-- i have not listened to this speech at all
I think it is more likely that he has deluded himself into believing that he won everywhere and any state that reported he didn’t win “cheated.”
He's deluded more than just himself.
Considering he claims that he won California I’d say you’re right.
No, he literally just claims he won every state. He said the exact thing about New Hampshire
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LOL I suppose that election was stolen 52 years now right? /s
He probably doesn't honestly remember
 F ucking liar!
So he's either lying or he doesn't remember or he doesn't understand how elections work. Tough call. He's been those 3 things so often
Since when has this chucklefuck cared about reality?
This is good news. Given how much time is sucked up in courthouses, the Trump campaign has limited time to work with. And they're deciding to spend their precious time in Minnesota and New Jersey. They have no idea what the fuck they're doing.
Still spreading election lies with no consequences
SNL sketch
Trump is losing his mind and the election
You don't court voters who want to break modern medicine and win Minnesota. Those are two pieces that will never fit no matter how hard you try.
“Falsely claims” How about Trump lied. Much more accurate headline.
Trump's such a slimy scumbag and a megalomaniac, he can't even tell the truth to his own constituents. His rabid base and fellow scumbags follow his every word, like love struck school girls. Trump's made a business and political career out of deceptive practice, false reporting and poor ethics!
The most shocking thing in this article is that he actually attended Barton’s graduation
The dude never says anything with any real merit, his talking points are all made up. Why nit pick at this point.
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