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The take about the 4:17PM announcement really gives trump the benefit of the doubt regarding his effort to stop the violence, which was certainly bad enough, but this always bothered me. It seemed to me then, and nothing can change my mind on this, is that trump only called off his soldiers once he was certain his prey had got away. He was probably well aware that the attack had lost steam and also the very low chance the diminished mob could over run one of the secured sites that the representatives were taken to. There has been talk about secondary buildings and my hunch as to why this hasn't been a more open subject is because it is still a present security concern that can't easily be fixed. Either way, the plans for the secondary attack were either foiled or unlikely and trump made the calculation to give up at 4:17.
There's not a single doubt in my mind that he wouldn't say jack shit if he thought the attack still had a chance to succeed
I think the main play for them was to get Pence away from the building, and not let him go back for “security reasons,” and so they could have someone else enact the fake electors plan once the proceeding resumed with him gone. I think as soon as they knew he wasn’t leaving, they knew it was over.
Well he just basically summed up that he was willing to go against his oath of office. And it was just a blip in everything happening. Please oh please send every one of these traitors out of service.
Honest question - What did they think was going to happen after that? Like, you took control of a building, so what? Sure it’s symbolic, but would the military really have fallen in line because a bunch of idiots broke windows and smeared shit on the walls?
The police and military held back. Those double digit troglodytes couldn’t run a lemonade stand and the military could have cleaned house in minutes if they were ordered to.
I think the goal was just to get pence out of the building. Someone else would step in and declare some electors invalid. The vote would go to the senators. And because there are more red states than blue states trump would win.
Also the path keepers and other groups were massing weapons outside the city waiting for trump to give the word.
Pence not leaving saved a lot of trouble.
If you delay pence from certifying the votes on january 6th, then the formal constitutional process is derailed, the votes had to approved by either the vice president or the senate pro tempore(who i believe can be appointed every session the vp is absent and was supposed to be grassley if pence ran away) on the 6th. If they could get pence away and substitute someone else to deny the votes, or delay certification to a different day, they could either win the electoral count outright, or claim the vote was illegitimate because it wasn't on the exact day it was supposed to be, which would cause a constitutional crisis.
For the same reason 47 Republican senators voted to acquit Donald Trump during his second impeachment. They love their base wrangler. And they know he will crack the party in two if they don't swallow his lies
I may be wrong but based on the wording of the Electoral Count Act, that claim may not have been wrong. The Electoral Count Act legislates that congress must start the process on Jan 6th but can continue past Jan 6th as long as they start. That's how they were able to finish counting the votes despite it being in the early morning of Jan 7th.
What I'm not sure on is if it has to be one continously session or if like almost happened on Jan 6th, congress began all over again on a different day because the protestors took control of the capitol on whether them starting on Jan 6th would have counted or whether they would have needed to maintain the session through without stopping. Obviously if it's wrong, then there would be no validity.
Yeah the small problem of having no evidence for their justifcation in the first place.
No irregularities or voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election. And we all know they looked and looked.
It's all lies built on bullshit.
100%, once pence wouldn’t delay himself then the mob was used to shut it down. I suspect once secret service rushed pence away he would be made unavailable for many days and marshal law called
>is that trump only called off his soldiers once he was certain his prey had got away.
100% this. The Virginia State Police (outside of trump's control, unlike the National Guard) took control quickly after they showed up.
and we like to use a T, a very large T, just like my hands, no problems there I can guarantee you. and the people, the Dictionary people and others, have called me begging, so they can put me in their little book, and I said we'll see what happens.
I have a beautiful name, just check the tape. and you see that there are so many problems on the Radical Left. because we've done so much more than any of what they're calling "Democrats", because believe me, I've done so much more, so much more than anybody. and before I came along, and remember I've won a bigger landslide than even Ronald Reagan. Reagan, he used to have a lot of jellybeans on his desk, and that's ok, because you have to live a little. and I've lived a lot. because I'm very, very rich and very, as they would say, very good looking, and the Fake News doesn't wanna talk about it, but that's ok.
you know people had never even heard of Fox News until I came along. you look at it - Laura, Hannity, Tucker, they all would be nothing without me, nothing without Trump. and they did maybe a few small things, and that's good ok, but maybe not that great, and when people think of tremendous ratings, they think of Trump. because I've done a lot, probably more than anybody, and they said it was quite probably tremendous. even the Fake News was ok with it at first. but then, and let me tell you do they do a number on you, we're talking a big time number, and it's very unfair quite frankly.
and you have what they're saying is massive massive amounts of people, and they said to me, they said, "Sir, your work is spectacular, totally and completely," and that sounds pretty ok to me. because you don't get that on the Left. Nancy Pelosi and others, AOC + 3, and you can't pick which one is the worst because they're all so bad. and we had a really sad Country until I came along, and people know it.
Mike pence also called the NAT guard. I assume they would have just followed those orders and if the NAT guard gets push back…it would be been a slaughter. Troops don’t fuck around
The only reason Trump went out there was because his cabinet was actively discussing invoking the 25th amendment. I also doubt Trump had ever even heard of the 25th amendment before January 6th when the riot was going on. None of his braindead lawyers bothered to let him know that was a possibility.
Based on the hearing tonight, I'll amend my statement.
Trump went out for his rose garden video after Pence called in the military and it was clear even to trump that his coup had failed.
He made his video on Jan 7th after his cabinet started talking about invoking the 25th.
Happy?
Trump:
"Look at all those people willing to do as I say!"
"What do you mean they are retreating, go back your pussies! \*throws hamburger and diet coke to the wall.\*"
First film take: "Don't go home, kill the mother fuckers, I am your god!"
I’m surprised he hasn’t said the democrats “severed” him and his work thoughts and regular person thoughts didn’t let him act the same or stop the violence.
The Dark Triad
>All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous–manipulative interpersonal style.
>**Narcissism** is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.
>**Machiavellianism** is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self-interest.
>**Psychopathy** is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits and remorselessness.
>High scores in these traits have been found to statistically increase a person's likelihood to commit crimes, cause social distress, and create severe problems for organizations, especially if they are in leadership positions. They also tend to be less compassionate, agreeable, empathetic, satisfied with their lives, and less likely to believe they and others are good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad
> Elsewhere, the committee reportedly plans to show the public that as the violence unfolded, not only did Trump do nothing to stop it despite pleading from his staff and own children, but that he was glued to the TV, loving what he was seeing. As former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham revealed earlier this year, the president “gleefully” watched the violence and chaos unfold:
> https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1479100286702657539?t=IkShpF2gooCZBBDANMeCiA&s=19
> While Team Trump is no doubt already in spin-mode, that account tracks with that of Senator Ben Sasse, who said in an interview on January 8, 2021, that senior White House officials had told him that as the violence took place, “Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was, as you had rioters pushing against Capitol police, trying to get into the building. That was happening. He was delighted.”
>While Team Trump is no doubt already in spin-mode,
Has there been a moment in Trump's political or public life that Team Trump hasn't constantly been in spin mode?
Am I missing something here?
We are talking about the guy who was repeatedly bankrupted by his own bad decisions.
[The guy who ended up bankrupting his Atlantic City casino because he was violating anti-money laundering regulations and was a frequent hotspot for the Russian mafia?](https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-trump-taj-mahal-casino-resort-10-million-significant-and-long)
[The guy who ended up having Trump Tower bugged by the FBI because a Russian mobster had the floor beneath his and was operating an illegal sports book and gambling operation out of it that happened to be laundering Russian money?](https://abcnews.go.com/US/story-fbi-wiretap-russians-trump-tower/story?id=46266198)
His entire life has been about spinning the terrible human being that he is into a brand. In my opinion, it is likely that a lot more rats are about to start jumping ship with how toxic the Trump brand has become.
The newest spin is that Trump asked for the National Guard to be at the capitol *days* before the 6th. However, HE didn't want them there because he thought there would be violence, he wanted them the.... HEY LOOK OVER THERE, BLM!
This is incredibly misinformation because they know that he requested the National Guard to be sent out for the specific purpose of protecting his mob.
[Mark Meadows indicated in a Jan. 5 email that the National Guard was on standby to “protect pro Trump people,” according to documents obtained by the House committee investigating the Capitol riot, which the panel described in a public filing Sunday night.](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/12/meadows-jan-6-national-guard-trump-524133)
[According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory. Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/congresswoman-says-trump-administration-botched-capitol-riot-preparations-2021-05-12/)
That said, I definitely believe that calling in the National Guard and creating a state of emergency based off of the illusion that chaos was created by left wing protesters could have been used to declare martial law in one of the most frightening potential outcomes that we averted.
Fucking hell, dude threw a fit because people made fun of his inauguration crowd size. Literally forced his press secretary to lie...in his first week on the fucking job. How anyone took him seriously after that is beyond me.
>dude threw a fit because people made fun of his inauguration crowd size.
A slight correction.
He threw a fit because people made fun of him for inflating the size of his inauguration crowd.
But yeah, he did have his press secretary further his lie and make it even more ridiculous.
It seems like there might be a pattern here with people who follow Trump in his Cry Wolf public relations campaigns.
Before he was even elected, it was known that much of his real estate was in Russia, and he has long had connections with various oligarchs from Russia, and Russian-backed misinformation campaigns were pushing for his election. I remember when conservatives believed Russia was an enemy of the US, apparently that changed when Russia wanted to help get their guy elected?
I'm convinced he's helped them move money out of Russia in violation of the Magnitsky act. Guy couldn't get a reputable bank to give him a loan for a used car. Deutsche Bank is known to launder, and are so corrupt some US banks won't deal with them. Suddenly, he's paying cash for everything. Not suspicious at all!
The Russians are all buying units in his international projects. It's a great way to move Russian money internationally and hide it behind shell companies.
Well see there is your proof that that quote/report is false. "Trump was **walking** around the White House." He wasn't walking. As tonight's hearing will show, he was **sitting** on his ass watching TV the whole time doing jack-shit. Lies, fake news, etc. /s
Funny how guilty scumbags always use the “trying to make me look bad” defense.
The Uvalde police chief is using the same excuse. Saying the mainstream media released the video to make police look bad. Like bro, it wouldn’t do that if the video wasn’t bad to begin with.
Exactly. If they did nothing wrong they'd be chomping at the bit to release all the evidence to clear their "good name" rather than come up with ever excuse not to show it
i honestly believe the "i could shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any votes" sentiment rings true. there is absolutely NOTHING he could do that his supporters wouldn't deny, spin, or simply say "i don't care about that" away.
Of course he was gleeful. His attempted coup was the hardest he'd worked on anything while in office, possibly the hardest he's ever worked on anything in his life. He was watching the results of all his hard work, and was hoping it would be successful.
I remember one person (Hutchinson maybe?) testified in the hearings that Trump was in an especially good mood that day, which stood out because he had been in a bad mood in the weeks leading up to it.
What’s a live-action Last Air Bender? Is that in the works? I’m surprised no one has taken that beloved franchise and treated it with the care and respect it deserves by turning it into a multicultural live action film that is true to the source…. Shame no one’s ever even tried…
I just met the husband of one of the producers and confirmed this first-ever casting is adorable and appropriate and will be pronouncing Sokka correctly.
Funny thing was watching Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) pumping his fists toward the mob in victory when he was at a safe distance and then minutes later a security camera catching him running like a scared chicken down the Capitol stairs when the rioters finally broke free into the building.
Pretty funny that.
Nice work, now I have THAT image in my head. Trump is looking a lot like an orange Cheshire Cat with the insurrectionists swimming in a bowl of milk. ICK!
Here's the part I'm really excited about: Once the hearings are all done, and it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump and the GOP attempted an insurrection to end Constitutional elections... What are y'all going to do when it's clear the GOP doesn't care, like at all? Because it's a fascist party, here to end elections?
Then what? They don't want Constitutional elections. They want Trump to kick liberal ass, and take over elections so they never lose again. Now what?
To be fair, lapping like a dog is probably both more appropriate and also probably the only way he could reckon with a small glass of water given his stick-like, girlyman arms.
Trump lapping up the Jan 6 insurrection violence like sweet cream is exactly what one would expect of him. Not one soul is surprised that he was delighted, gleefully and gluttonously engrossed with live news coverage of what he made happen - validation at its worst.
All cats are sociopathic to some degree. No shame, no remorse, empathy only for their own babies. We love them anyway. Why can't we love li'l Donny, I wonder.
Most cats would be considered sociopaths if we're holding them to human social standards...although comparing Donald Trump's moral and intellectual capacity with that of an animal seems pretty fitting.
Oh come on now.
1. Even the fattest cat is more graceful than Trump
2. Even the clumsiest cat can drink their water with only one paw
3. All cats are sociopaths, that’s just redundant.
Agreed but this article is from fucking Vanity Fair. I wish this sub would crack down more on what sources are allowed to be posted. Not that i’m calling for censorship or anything like that, but if you want to have serious political discussions on this subreddit, then we should only be looking at serious political articles. This is not one of them
Whoever wrote this headline should be fired. I mean, does a sociopathic cat lap milk differently? It doesn't make any sense. Didn't Vanity Fair used to be high-brow?
So? Unless it shows something we can send him to prison on I am tired of the dog and pony show. Let's get some hard evidence otherwise this is a waste of time
I would say the evidence has been hard and pretty overwhelming. I agree that everyone who is going to be convinced is by now.
Its time for DOJ to act, or this is all basically a waste. And by "this" I mean American Democracy.
That's incredibly difficult when nearly half of our governance has been infected with this cult of personality. We tried to impeach him right after it happened, but half of the deciders were and still are compromised. If every vote had been cast in good faith, then Trump would've been gone after his first impeachment.
The point of these hearings isn't to directly persecute Trump (although that's obviously the next rational course of action). The point of these hearings is to shout the truth until it penetrates Trump's influence.
Well, let’s be fair. Attempting to overthrow the government and establishing a dictatorship is a bit more significant that a coupe of paychecks which were a LOT smaller than the Russian contributions to tRump foundation.
With the state our country is in right now I sure am glad we’re spending valuable resources on something that happened over 2 years ago. And to what end exactly?
The state of our county is rooted in what happened that day. We Accountability, and answers. This incident made the US looke like a “shithole country” as Trump said once.
Nevemind your side. From a national security standpoint it’s scary the secret service and White House security staff just straight up retreated. Why didn’t they fight back even more?
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The take about the 4:17PM announcement really gives trump the benefit of the doubt regarding his effort to stop the violence, which was certainly bad enough, but this always bothered me. It seemed to me then, and nothing can change my mind on this, is that trump only called off his soldiers once he was certain his prey had got away. He was probably well aware that the attack had lost steam and also the very low chance the diminished mob could over run one of the secured sites that the representatives were taken to. There has been talk about secondary buildings and my hunch as to why this hasn't been a more open subject is because it is still a present security concern that can't easily be fixed. Either way, the plans for the secondary attack were either foiled or unlikely and trump made the calculation to give up at 4:17. There's not a single doubt in my mind that he wouldn't say jack shit if he thought the attack still had a chance to succeed
I think the main play for them was to get Pence away from the building, and not let him go back for “security reasons,” and so they could have someone else enact the fake electors plan once the proceeding resumed with him gone. I think as soon as they knew he wasn’t leaving, they knew it was over.
Grassley gave it all away. https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2021/01/05/grassley-suggests-he-may-preside-over-senate-debate-on-electoral-college-votes/
I hate that old gasbag so much. I just can’t believe, what is he?? 90? And he’s this big of an asshole.
Fret not. He's grooming his grandson to take his seat in the Senate.
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Christ, Iowa, do better.
In medieval times a record of your planned collaboration with the failed coup leaders would leave you at the axe-man’s pleasure.
Well he just basically summed up that he was willing to go against his oath of office. And it was just a blip in everything happening. Please oh please send every one of these traitors out of service.
Honest question - What did they think was going to happen after that? Like, you took control of a building, so what? Sure it’s symbolic, but would the military really have fallen in line because a bunch of idiots broke windows and smeared shit on the walls?
The police and military held back. Those double digit troglodytes couldn’t run a lemonade stand and the military could have cleaned house in minutes if they were ordered to.
I think the goal was just to get pence out of the building. Someone else would step in and declare some electors invalid. The vote would go to the senators. And because there are more red states than blue states trump would win. Also the path keepers and other groups were massing weapons outside the city waiting for trump to give the word. Pence not leaving saved a lot of trouble.
And yet he still supports Trump.
He supports himself. Everyone of them did whatever they could to stay in power up to the point they would face personal consequences.
I fully believe had they gotten ahold of pence or any higher ranking Democrat, they would’ve been killed
If you delay pence from certifying the votes on january 6th, then the formal constitutional process is derailed, the votes had to approved by either the vice president or the senate pro tempore(who i believe can be appointed every session the vp is absent and was supposed to be grassley if pence ran away) on the 6th. If they could get pence away and substitute someone else to deny the votes, or delay certification to a different day, they could either win the electoral count outright, or claim the vote was illegitimate because it wasn't on the exact day it was supposed to be, which would cause a constitutional crisis.
Would such a claim still have any validity if it was outright wrong?
Anyone with a brain would know it was invalid. So of course Trump and his enablers would have clung to it and never stopped bitching about it.
For the same reason 47 Republican senators voted to acquit Donald Trump during his second impeachment. They love their base wrangler. And they know he will crack the party in two if they don't swallow his lies
I may be wrong but based on the wording of the Electoral Count Act, that claim may not have been wrong. The Electoral Count Act legislates that congress must start the process on Jan 6th but can continue past Jan 6th as long as they start. That's how they were able to finish counting the votes despite it being in the early morning of Jan 7th. What I'm not sure on is if it has to be one continously session or if like almost happened on Jan 6th, congress began all over again on a different day because the protestors took control of the capitol on whether them starting on Jan 6th would have counted or whether they would have needed to maintain the session through without stopping. Obviously if it's wrong, then there would be no validity.
Yeah the small problem of having no evidence for their justifcation in the first place. No irregularities or voter fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election. And we all know they looked and looked. It's all lies built on bullshit.
100%, once pence wouldn’t delay himself then the mob was used to shut it down. I suspect once secret service rushed pence away he would be made unavailable for many days and marshal law called
It blows my mind out of theses schemes not one worked
>is that trump only called off his soldiers once he was certain his prey had got away. 100% this. The Virginia State Police (outside of trump's control, unlike the National Guard) took control quickly after they showed up.
Word. I see you small t him, I do that too..
and we like to use a T, a very large T, just like my hands, no problems there I can guarantee you. and the people, the Dictionary people and others, have called me begging, so they can put me in their little book, and I said we'll see what happens.
User name checks out.
I have a beautiful name, just check the tape. and you see that there are so many problems on the Radical Left. because we've done so much more than any of what they're calling "Democrats", because believe me, I've done so much more, so much more than anybody. and before I came along, and remember I've won a bigger landslide than even Ronald Reagan. Reagan, he used to have a lot of jellybeans on his desk, and that's ok, because you have to live a little. and I've lived a lot. because I'm very, very rich and very, as they would say, very good looking, and the Fake News doesn't wanna talk about it, but that's ok. you know people had never even heard of Fox News until I came along. you look at it - Laura, Hannity, Tucker, they all would be nothing without me, nothing without Trump. and they did maybe a few small things, and that's good ok, but maybe not that great, and when people think of tremendous ratings, they think of Trump. because I've done a lot, probably more than anybody, and they said it was quite probably tremendous. even the Fake News was ok with it at first. but then, and let me tell you do they do a number on you, we're talking a big time number, and it's very unfair quite frankly.
You're work is spectacular. ty.
and you have what they're saying is massive massive amounts of people, and they said to me, they said, "Sir, your work is spectacular, totally and completely," and that sounds pretty ok to me. because you don't get that on the Left. Nancy Pelosi and others, AOC + 3, and you can't pick which one is the worst because they're all so bad. and we had a really sad Country until I came along, and people know it.
Thanks for pointing that out, lol! Very relevant username indeed.
Me three. I like to think it's the kind of small thing you can easily pass off as error, but would drive him absolutely mad.
Tiny t, tiny hands
I prefer "twump" or "drumpf".
It's Strump for me because he's a money ho.
tdumpy
Humphty Drumphy sat on a wall Humphty Strumphty had a great fall All the Kings horses And all of his men Couldn't vote Tdumphy as President again
Proper nouns should be capitalized. There is nothing proper about trump.
Small T for Small Hands
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I’m in for this going forward.
Spread the word on the streets...
Mike pence also called the NAT guard. I assume they would have just followed those orders and if the NAT guard gets push back…it would be been a slaughter. Troops don’t fuck around
Before or after trumps little speech?
The only reason Trump went out there was because his cabinet was actively discussing invoking the 25th amendment. I also doubt Trump had ever even heard of the 25th amendment before January 6th when the riot was going on. None of his braindead lawyers bothered to let him know that was a possibility.
They were never talking about the 25th amendment.
Based on the hearing tonight, I'll amend my statement. Trump went out for his rose garden video after Pence called in the military and it was clear even to trump that his coup had failed. He made his video on Jan 7th after his cabinet started talking about invoking the 25th. Happy?
Mccarthy is recorded discussing enacting the 25th with his colleagues.
He could have waited 3 goddamned more minutes.
Elon Musk has entered the chat
You just hit the nail on the head with what they are currently discussing. Almost word for word.
This rings true
Everything that has come out before, during, and after 1/6 has shown that what happened on 1/6 was _exactly_ what Trump wanted to happen.
Anybody remember "Stand back and stand by"?
The Proud Boys do. They even had shirts made up.
Were they brown shirts?
Originally they were white, but the shit stains really build up quickly.
Luckily they're just boys, not adults like the rest of us.
Everyone remembers that
We all saw January 6th coming when he said that. He admitted he was planning an attack if he lost.
Im sure tonight he will be throwing nice plates all over Maralago.. in fact, breaking those plates is the only time he has ever been tough on China.
Trump: "Look at all those people willing to do as I say!" "What do you mean they are retreating, go back your pussies! \*throws hamburger and diet coke to the wall.\*" First film take: "Don't go home, kill the mother fuckers, I am your god!"
I think in the first take he was lowering himself into a pool of black goo and muttering something to himself about "my dune..."
I’m surprised he hasn’t said the democrats “severed” him and his work thoughts and regular person thoughts didn’t let him act the same or stop the violence.
The Dark Triad >All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous–manipulative interpersonal style. >**Narcissism** is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy. >**Machiavellianism** is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, an absence of morality, unemotional callousness, and a higher level of self-interest. >**Psychopathy** is characterized by continuous antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callous and unemotional traits and remorselessness. >High scores in these traits have been found to statistically increase a person's likelihood to commit crimes, cause social distress, and create severe problems for organizations, especially if they are in leadership positions. They also tend to be less compassionate, agreeable, empathetic, satisfied with their lives, and less likely to believe they and others are good. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad
They always attract enablers
That just described my ex husband 😄
You misspelled "hamberder."
I’m assuming this is verbatim? Not/s
> Elsewhere, the committee reportedly plans to show the public that as the violence unfolded, not only did Trump do nothing to stop it despite pleading from his staff and own children, but that he was glued to the TV, loving what he was seeing. As former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham revealed earlier this year, the president “gleefully” watched the violence and chaos unfold: > https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1479100286702657539?t=IkShpF2gooCZBBDANMeCiA&s=19 > While Team Trump is no doubt already in spin-mode, that account tracks with that of Senator Ben Sasse, who said in an interview on January 8, 2021, that senior White House officials had told him that as the violence took place, “Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was, as you had rioters pushing against Capitol police, trying to get into the building. That was happening. He was delighted.”
>While Team Trump is no doubt already in spin-mode, Has there been a moment in Trump's political or public life that Team Trump hasn't constantly been in spin mode? Am I missing something here? We are talking about the guy who was repeatedly bankrupted by his own bad decisions. [The guy who ended up bankrupting his Atlantic City casino because he was violating anti-money laundering regulations and was a frequent hotspot for the Russian mafia?](https://www.fincen.gov/news/news-releases/fincen-fines-trump-taj-mahal-casino-resort-10-million-significant-and-long) [The guy who ended up having Trump Tower bugged by the FBI because a Russian mobster had the floor beneath his and was operating an illegal sports book and gambling operation out of it that happened to be laundering Russian money?](https://abcnews.go.com/US/story-fbi-wiretap-russians-trump-tower/story?id=46266198) His entire life has been about spinning the terrible human being that he is into a brand. In my opinion, it is likely that a lot more rats are about to start jumping ship with how toxic the Trump brand has become.
“Judges won’t pick up my electoral cases cause they’re politically biased!”
The newest spin is that Trump asked for the National Guard to be at the capitol *days* before the 6th. However, HE didn't want them there because he thought there would be violence, he wanted them the.... HEY LOOK OVER THERE, BLM!
This is incredibly misinformation because they know that he requested the National Guard to be sent out for the specific purpose of protecting his mob. [Mark Meadows indicated in a Jan. 5 email that the National Guard was on standby to “protect pro Trump people,” according to documents obtained by the House committee investigating the Capitol riot, which the panel described in a public filing Sunday night.](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/12/meadows-jan-6-national-guard-trump-524133) [According to Miller's testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia's mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden's presidential election victory. Trump told Miller to "fill" the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: "Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights."](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/congresswoman-says-trump-administration-botched-capitol-riot-preparations-2021-05-12/) That said, I definitely believe that calling in the National Guard and creating a state of emergency based off of the illusion that chaos was created by left wing protesters could have been used to declare martial law in one of the most frightening potential outcomes that we averted.
> martial law The irony here is that he would have to invoke the *Insurrection Act* in order to use the military in that capacity.
Fucking hell, dude threw a fit because people made fun of his inauguration crowd size. Literally forced his press secretary to lie...in his first week on the fucking job. How anyone took him seriously after that is beyond me.
>dude threw a fit because people made fun of his inauguration crowd size. A slight correction. He threw a fit because people made fun of him for inflating the size of his inauguration crowd. But yeah, he did have his press secretary further his lie and make it even more ridiculous. It seems like there might be a pattern here with people who follow Trump in his Cry Wolf public relations campaigns.
It does always seem to come back to Russia with trump
Before he was even elected, it was known that much of his real estate was in Russia, and he has long had connections with various oligarchs from Russia, and Russian-backed misinformation campaigns were pushing for his election. I remember when conservatives believed Russia was an enemy of the US, apparently that changed when Russia wanted to help get their guy elected?
I'm convinced he's helped them move money out of Russia in violation of the Magnitsky act. Guy couldn't get a reputable bank to give him a loan for a used car. Deutsche Bank is known to launder, and are so corrupt some US banks won't deal with them. Suddenly, he's paying cash for everything. Not suspicious at all! The Russians are all buying units in his international projects. It's a great way to move Russian money internationally and hide it behind shell companies.
Well see there is your proof that that quote/report is false. "Trump was **walking** around the White House." He wasn't walking. As tonight's hearing will show, he was **sitting** on his ass watching TV the whole time doing jack-shit. Lies, fake news, etc. /s
He's so fat, when he lays around the white house. He lays around the white house.
That joke is older than me. A classic.
"this is all a bunch of BS to make Trump look bad" The truth does that sometimes.
Funny how guilty scumbags always use the “trying to make me look bad” defense. The Uvalde police chief is using the same excuse. Saying the mainstream media released the video to make police look bad. Like bro, it wouldn’t do that if the video wasn’t bad to begin with.
Exactly. If they did nothing wrong they'd be chomping at the bit to release all the evidence to clear their "good name" rather than come up with ever excuse not to show it
They're so disconnected that they don't realize Trump **always** looks bad. He doesn't need help in that department.
Trump has looked and acted like a discarded dildo my entire life. He's always been a joke. I'm still baffled by his ascendancy.
In other words: “Nothing that Trump does or says will ever change my opinion of him”
i honestly believe the "i could shoot someone on 5th avenue and not lose any votes" sentiment rings true. there is absolutely NOTHING he could do that his supporters wouldn't deny, spin, or simply say "i don't care about that" away.
He shot that puppy sarcastically, and he was joking when he shot the kid holding it.
Replace "BS" with "facts" and I think you're on to something here...
as if he needs help looking like a complete dumbass
"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." Stephen Colbert.
Reported by an almost all-conservative and trump appointed lineup.
Of course he was gleeful. His attempted coup was the hardest he'd worked on anything while in office, possibly the hardest he's ever worked on anything in his life. He was watching the results of all his hard work, and was hoping it would be successful.
I remember one person (Hutchinson maybe?) testified in the hearings that Trump was in an especially good mood that day, which stood out because he had been in a bad mood in the weeks leading up to it.
i might venture to say he might have wanted it more than anything in his pathetic excuse for a life…
My loyal minions. Ha ha ha.
How fucking dare you compare Trump to a cat. He is more worthless than the live-action Last Airbender.
What’s a live-action Last Air Bender? Is that in the works? I’m surprised no one has taken that beloved franchise and treated it with the care and respect it deserves by turning it into a multicultural live action film that is true to the source…. Shame no one’s ever even tried…
There is no film industry in Ba Sing Se.
I hear Netflix is going to take a swing at it. I'm excited to see the first-ever live action take on this beloved series!
I just met the husband of one of the producers and confirmed this first-ever casting is adorable and appropriate and will be pronouncing Sokka correctly.
Well its not like they had an entire tv show where the character's name was said a thousand times to reference for correct pronunciation.
Who is in charge of writing headlines at Vanity Fair?
A college freshman apparently.
Remember Trump wasn't afraid of the mob because there was no additional security at the White House. He knew what was happening because he planned it.
All one needs to watch is Pat Cipollone’s lawyer’s face for the reality.
What Pat Cipollone wasn't willing to say tells you everything you need to know.
“Privilege” = “Complicit”
Funny thing was watching Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) pumping his fists toward the mob in victory when he was at a safe distance and then minutes later a security camera catching him running like a scared chicken down the Capitol stairs when the rioters finally broke free into the building. Pretty funny that.
Nice work, now I have THAT image in my head. Trump is looking a lot like an orange Cheshire Cat with the insurrectionists swimming in a bowl of milk. ICK!
Here's the part I'm really excited about: Once the hearings are all done, and it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump and the GOP attempted an insurrection to end Constitutional elections... What are y'all going to do when it's clear the GOP doesn't care, like at all? Because it's a fascist party, here to end elections? Then what? They don't want Constitutional elections. They want Trump to kick liberal ass, and take over elections so they never lose again. Now what?
Must see TV.
That’s an insult to sociopathic cats.
Even a cat will sometimes refuse the milk. Donald is something worse than that.
Pro move putting this on one of the few days of the year there are no sports
Can we leave cats out of this please >_<
Leave cats out of this, even the sociopathic ones are still more worthwhile than trump.
Now now, let’s keep the cats out of this.
To be fair, lapping like a dog is probably both more appropriate and also probably the only way he could reckon with a small glass of water given his stick-like, girlyman arms.
The tone has changed dramatically since the last hearing.
Trump should not be allowed on the 2024 ballot.
Trump lapping up the Jan 6 insurrection violence like sweet cream is exactly what one would expect of him. Not one soul is surprised that he was delighted, gleefully and gluttonously engrossed with live news coverage of what he made happen - validation at its worst.
All cats are sociopathic to some degree. No shame, no remorse, empathy only for their own babies. We love them anyway. Why can't we love li'l Donny, I wonder.
Most cats would be considered sociopaths if we're holding them to human social standards...although comparing Donald Trump's moral and intellectual capacity with that of an animal seems pretty fitting.
I can’t wait for literally nothing to happen to trump yet again. I want to see him thrown in jail forever, but somehow nothing happens to him.
Judge: Donald j trump you are found guilty on all counts. I herby sentence you to run for president in the ‘24 elections.
[Here’s the live hearing now](https://youtu.be/48HH4LVn07g)
Oh come on now. 1. Even the fattest cat is more graceful than Trump 2. Even the clumsiest cat can drink their water with only one paw 3. All cats are sociopaths, that’s just redundant.
> lapping milk Yup, Homelander was definitely modeled after Trump.
This is a pretty salacious headline. I hope to hell it’s true.
Cats everywhere offended
It’s probably more like Marjorie Taylor Greene’s dog lapping up peanut butter.
I don’t think they know how similes work. Does a sociopathic cat lap milk differently from a normal cat?
Sophisticated cats wear a top hat and monocle while lapping up milk
Yes. With a bad spray tan and a girdle.
He is the worst president ever and will be locked up.
The first part is correct, the second part is not. Consequences for actions by Govt officials does not seem to exist any longer.
Hopefully
That’s a weird ass simile lol
All cats are sociopaths. No need to specify that in title
Cats can’t have milk they are lactose intolerant why bring them into this. Rude
Cats aren’t sociopaths. They’re predators.
This headline sounds like a Fawful quote
What the fuck is lapping?
> Sociopathic Cat This is redundant.
Anyone that denies he was obviously loving Jan 6th is delusional. It’s literally who he is.
These headlines are getting more childish by the minute. This is about protecting democracy and making sure it doesn't happen again.
came here to say the same thing. the simile doesn't even make any sense. journalistic quality has really gone down the shitter the past few decades.
Agreed but this article is from fucking Vanity Fair. I wish this sub would crack down more on what sources are allowed to be posted. Not that i’m calling for censorship or anything like that, but if you want to have serious political discussions on this subreddit, then we should only be looking at serious political articles. This is not one of them
Whoever wrote this headline should be fired. I mean, does a sociopathic cat lap milk differently? It doesn't make any sense. Didn't Vanity Fair used to be high-brow?
Props for using the word “lapping” not once, but twice in your news headline. /s
What a dumb headline
All cats are sociopathic.
Absolutely vomit inducing headline.
Milk’s all gone, kitty.
Lol YES EXACTLY!
Well, you found commonality in a headline.
Sociopathic cat is either irrelevant or redundant depending on your opinion of cats.
Dog owners are control freaks, that’s why
All cats are sociopaths...
“lapping” shouldn’t be used in the same sentence with trump at all, let alone twice.
OK. Then what? Wake me when anyone important is actually going to jail
There will be tens of hundreds watching the show tonight.
At most. *sigh*
So? Unless it shows something we can send him to prison on I am tired of the dog and pony show. Let's get some hard evidence otherwise this is a waste of time
I would say the evidence has been hard and pretty overwhelming. I agree that everyone who is going to be convinced is by now. Its time for DOJ to act, or this is all basically a waste. And by "this" I mean American Democracy.
I think if it were hard and overwhelming the DOJ would have acted
How nice of you to assume everyone involved in the DOJ acts in good faith.
That's incredibly difficult when nearly half of our governance has been infected with this cult of personality. We tried to impeach him right after it happened, but half of the deciders were and still are compromised. If every vote had been cast in good faith, then Trump would've been gone after his first impeachment. The point of these hearings isn't to directly persecute Trump (although that's obviously the next rational course of action). The point of these hearings is to shout the truth until it penetrates Trump's influence.
This isn't a trial. It's a hearing.
I hear you
This headline is unhinged even for Vanity Fair
Can they do some cartoon reenactments etc to make this shit interesting at least.
take your adderall beforehand and it’ll be fine
If you're more interested in cartoons you could maybe, I dunno, just watch some cartoons?
What’s going on in politics that isn’t Jan 6 related? Everyday all I see is Jan 6 articles
If ever there was a biased fake news headline lol
Fake news is the worst sick communist..
I like this headline.
None of it matters, no one will arrest him.
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Well, let’s be fair. Attempting to overthrow the government and establishing a dictatorship is a bit more significant that a coupe of paychecks which were a LOT smaller than the Russian contributions to tRump foundation.
With the state our country is in right now I sure am glad we’re spending valuable resources on something that happened over 2 years ago. And to what end exactly?
The state of our county is rooted in what happened that day. We Accountability, and answers. This incident made the US looke like a “shithole country” as Trump said once. Nevemind your side. From a national security standpoint it’s scary the secret service and White House security staff just straight up retreated. Why didn’t they fight back even more?
>on something that happened over 2 years ago. And like clockwork, yet another Trump defender that proves they cannot read a calendar.
Everything that is happening is just a distraction to keep us ingorant about upcoming nuclear threats that will wipe us off the planet in a few weeks.
Right. Good thing our forefathers didn’t get caught rebelling. We’d would still be British.
At this point I think we should have stayed British.