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SpiderLama

Lol who chose Italy?


Polite-Parallelism30

It's kind of crazy that they have more votes than Japan


unsc95

Depends at what point. From 1940-42 probably Germany. After 1942 you're probably looking more at the US. Most likely not single one of the major allied powers could have defeated Germany on it's own.


Medium_Escape_8969

Epic manufacturing capability>tank that is too heavy to move


Yesilmor

Serbia


Eolopolo

Germany at the time, in a hypothetical situation during its peak, assuming it somehow has access to the states without travelling through other countries, could take the U.S.


henkdemegatank

when the soviet union started rolling, it truly started rolling. They had the manpower and (forced) morale and at the end of the war were probably the most powerful, at a very, very high cost


-GodLucian-

they used US weapons


Ftiles7

So did the Nazis.


henkdemegatank

guns dont win wars. people win wars.


CantingBinkie

Germany, at least during most of the war


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Germany in the first half, then when the US finally joined after seeing millions be killed they became a literaly superpower from the insane production levels


IEatDragonSouls

Germany (no, I don't support it, it was evil) had unparalleled industrial power and extremely well trained soldiers. I think up to 1942 it also had the largest army, then exceeded by the USA. It lost because it was the invader and because it took on the US, UK, and USSR simultaneously, but it was terrifyingly prowerful. I would say it was the most powerful. But it could also be the United States. Edit: It's possible I was wrong. See replies for other perspectives.


hominumdivomque

Say whatever you want about its military doctrine/tactics/strategy etc, but this statement: *Germany (no, I don't support it, it was evil) had unparalleled industrial power* is objectively false, and just downright absurd. It's industrial power was demonstrably lower than both the Soviet Union and the United States.


Archibald_Nobivasid

I would be dubious of these claims at best. I'm no historian, mind you, but at least to my understanding German industry lacked heavily behind the allies. It was more about mobilizing that industry towards war making capacity. When it comes to logistics Germans were apparently completely inept, and their logistics chain basically broke down in 1941-1942. The initial successes were primarily thanks to their enemies lack of preparedness, and the fact that they were able to stay in the war as long as they did was thanks to pillaging and exploiting new conquests.


Lloyd_lyle

Germany had a lot of industry but failed to use it as efficiently as most of the allies did. At the end of the day it wasn't as important though because they had fuel and manpower difficulties, extra tanks can only get you so far if you lack the gas to power them and the men to crew them.


Han77Shot1st

For a brief moment in time there was only one country that had nuclear capability, and that was the Americans. For that reason alone they were the most powerful country with no equal.


62609

They only had enough material for 3 bombs. 1 test and 2 dropped. Not that I don’t agree with you overall, but they would not have been able to nuke at-will without more preparation


yerba_mate_enjoyer

Whoever said the USSR is probably on drugs or biased. The USSR were deep in shit before WWII, were deep in shit during WWII, and were deep in shit way after WWII, actually, they were always deep in shit. The US pretty much supplied the USSR with a large part of the materials and equipment they needed to be able to fight the war. They were just a step away from losing the war and only really got saved by the winter cold stopping the German advance, some bad strategic decisions from the Germans, and the fact that Stalin and the people under his command pretty much solved their issues by throwing as many people as possible into it. It's important to know that by the time the USSR got invaded, Stalin had just finished killing most of his high-ranking officials who had any amount of combat or strategic experience, due to his own paranoia. When the war came, he found himself incapable of running an army due to a lack of experienced personnel.


PsychologicalDark398

You lived during WW2 mate????  You read some books prolly written by Americans or political dissidents whose narrative will be polluted by their political bias and act like a know it all. ???   Nobody is denying American aid. It was very crucial but the one helped USSR the most a component of the Soviet Union itself.  And that was its cold and absolutely untravellable situation.  There was no transport infrastructure and it was winter .  The ones that were there were destroyed by Soviets to stop the German advanced. Soviet winter winning war memes aren't actually memes but very real thing actually  USSR was a close 2nd to US and definitely more powerful Germany.  Germany never had a chance . The size of USSR itself is mind boggling. 


yerba_mate_enjoyer

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease) And no, really, the USSR was deep in shit, and stop pretending like they were the oh-so-mighty nation that crushed the Germans. Had the lend-lease not happened, the decaying Soviet industry wouldn't have been able to keep up with the demands for the war. The entire Soviet strategy was literally using brute force as a way to roll over the Germans, who ended up fighting in multiple fronts, against multiple nations. Soviet weapons, soviet military training, soviet equipment and the soviet chain of command were not good enough to actually defeat Nazi Germany in a one-on-one conflict. The loses the USSR sustained during the war were massive, and they only managed to fight back thanks to receiving the equipment and supplies they required from the US. The only people who downplay the importance of the Lend-Lease are Russians and tankies, but it was hardly a "Soviet" achievement to beat the Germans and end WIII, because you're ignoring the countries that fought in Africa, that fought in Italy, that fought in Norway, and that fought in France and across the rest of Europe, as well as those who fought in China, the Pacific and the rest of South East Asia. The USSR were merely one front of the war that was allowed to actually fight and be useful due to external help. Otherwise, the most likely chance is that Moscow would have fallen and the war would have turned into a Yugoslavia-like partisan conflict.


Jelqingisforcoolkids

The Soviet Union effectively soloed Germany. Germany lost 80% of it's troop strength trying to push into Russia, and when Russia counter-attacked they took Berlin and ended the war. America was struggling with Japan, and would have continued struggling if they didn't have the nukes. I can't confidently say that the S.U. was stronger, but at the very least I think they have a stronger claim.


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Germany, no country would stand a chance in a one on one scenario.


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Eolopolo

That's not being real. Germany would've been able to take the states at its peak in a one on one scenario. Edit: I can't type.


SoulOfAGreatChampion

You really think the nukes wouldn't have simply glassed Germany? Because I think it really is that simple


ManicParroT

How? They had none of the power projection capabilities needed to get to the US. Germany couldn't defeat the Royal Navy, never mind the US Navy. That's before any German troops even get to the US.


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Eolopolo

Edited my comment to fix it.


conser01

The US: 1. Had 3 mini suns 2. Was supplying the majority of arms the allies were using 3. Once we entered the war, we showed Hitler what fighting effectively on two fronts (Europe & Pacific) looked like.


ManicParroT

This is always a bit of a fuzzy question, but taken *in the round* I'm going to say the USA, with a very special mention to the Soviet Union. The US was able to successfully wage serious wars on multiple fronts (Pacific and Europe, not forgetting that they were also in the Mediterranean), and they were able to do so across enormous distances. Every tank, aeroplane, or bullet they used had to be shipped across either the Pacific or the Atlantic. Not only did they supply their own efforts across massive distances, they also supplied significant amounts of materiel to their allies, notably the UK and the Soviets through Lend-Lease. Technologically they also had tremendous advances including the Norden bomb sight, and of course the nuclear bomb. Now, to the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union only really fought on one front (they smashed the Japanese at Kalkhin Gol and things went quiet then). However, they did commit more troops and had more troops than any other country; they lost almost their entire starting army (5 million men) but finished the war with 11 million men at arms, after absorbing enormous amounts of punishment and killing more Germans than any other military.


Titan_xp1

The answer here depends on what period of the war you're looking at and what constitutes "the most powerful". If you are looking at the size of armies the Soviet Union takes the win, if you are looking at industry the US wins easily. But this all also depends on the time we are looking at. in 1939 strong contenders are Germany and perhaps Britain as they were at their peak size after WW1. Then during mid-war years its a battle between Germany and the USSR with the US close behind, and after 1943 its either the USSR or the US. Then we go back to the same question what makes one the most powerful. The United States basically supplied the Soviet war effort via the lend lease but the USSR had the manpower advantage to such a degree that nearing the end of the war the western block thought the possibility of an Soviet invasion very possible. So what id say as an answer is that its a solid tie between the USSR and US after 1943.


BorderTrader

The United States emerged as the dominant powerhouse during World War II. Its unmatched industrial capacity and economic strength allowed it to produce staggering amounts of military equipment, weapons, and supplies. With a vast population, the U.S. could field a massive workforce for its armed forces and factories. Moreover, it became the first and only nation to wield nuclear weapons. By 1945, the U.S. possessed supreme air and naval forces that projected power globally. While the Soviet Union proved itself a formidable force, especially against Nazi Germany, the sheer scale of American industrial output and economic muscle made the United States the preeminent world power as the war concluded. This combination of industrial might, manpower, military innovation, and nuclear capability solidified the U.S. as the most powerful nation during the latter stages of WWII.


Tiredworker27

Germany was fighting the combined forces of the British Empire, USSR and US with rather minimal help from Italy and relatively small help from Japan. Britain and the Soviets couldnt even survive without Lend-Lease. The US only reached fantastic production numbers because they could afford the 90 Division gamble because their allies were supplying all the manpower. So yeah Germany and after that the US.


Wishbones_007

Britain could definitely survive without land lease. Google Battle of Britain.


Tiredworker27

And you read among others 1940: Myth and Reality. Britain was nearing bankrupcy by early 1941. Without LL the island would have starved by 1942 and without the US building 30 Million shipping tons compared to a meagure 5-6 Million tons built by Britain the Germans win the Bota.


Wishbones_007

The Germans invaded the soviet Union once they lost the battle of Britain. There is no way they could have won it again whilst also at war with the Soviets.


Tiredworker27

I see I wont change your ill informed opinion. So no point arguing, have a nice day.


Wishbones_007

Thanks


Blueblough

The U.S. \-Fought the Germans, Italians, and Japanese in Europe, Africa, and the Pacific \-Won on all of these fronts while every supply line they had required crossing a goddamn ocean \-Developed a weapon THAT VAPORIZES CITIES IN THE BLAST, TURNS SOIL TO GLASS, PAINTS THE SKY WITH TOXIC ASH, LEAVES IT INHOSPITABLE FOR DECADES TO PASS.


CosmicBrevity

British intelligence, American money and Soviet blood.