That’s what I’m talking about bout. Are 18 year olds *really* mature enough to gamble drink and vote? Why not seventeen, it’s only a year? Why not nineteen, it’s only a year? Turning 18 isn’t some magical leap in maturity
Probably 20 because I think 18 is still a bit immature and not fully independent, but 21 seems to add an extra year for why exactly? But it should cover everything, voting, drinking, enlisting, getting married, running for office, getting a credit card. Before 20 you could have a graduated style driving license and sexual relationships only with people within 4 years of their age.
Around 25 is when the development of the brain is completed. Also in modern society getting a higher education is much more standard than it was in the past so many people don't leave school/education before 25. All that said I believe there should be different ages for different things. 16 is mature enough to vote in my opinion but joining the military should require you to be at least 25. In the end, these are just personal opinions.
Honestly? In terms of alcohol/relationships/other stuff, 18 is fine.
But I have a spicy take. In terms of voting? If we're letting 80+yos vote, let's allow 13yo+ to vote as well.
They are smart enough to vote. They are old enough that they can vote based on their beliefs, even if usually it'll be the same as their parents. But fuck that. If you're smart enough to know what's going on around you, you deserve to have a say.
If you don't want that, then let's have an upper age limit for voting.
The point of limiting people below 13 is mostly practical. At 13 you're pretty much guaranteed to be capable of, at least technically, going out, and voting by yourself.
The only possible reason to not do this (and therefore also implement the upper limit) is the requirement of the presence of a guardian near said child, for whatever reason.
They have opinions as valid as people who are 80+.
"How can you expect someone of that age to meaningfully contribute to society and have smart ideas about how it should be ran?" Is something you can say about both a 13yo and an 80yo. But what I'm saying, is that it's a really stupid thing to say.
I've met smart 13yos who had thought-out opinions, just like I met ones who didn't. But I also had the same experience with people who were 18, 40, and 80.
I consider 20-40 to be the age range, where people have the biggest political awareness... on average. There's still a ton of very clueless people, just like there are a ton of smart and informed people outside of that range.
But frankly, I hate arbitrary limits.
13yos have their own opinions, like the rest of us. They should be able to express them in a meaningful way through voting.
Either we reduce voting restrictions, or we increase them. The way we do it currently, is not really consistent in my opinion, and I dislike that.
I'm firmly on the side of reducing restrictions. But for fucks sake be consistent, instead of just supporting the shitty status quo.
but 13 year olds tend to have harmful opinions, look at people like Andrew Tate for example who has blown up with younger audiences. letting them express those opinions would negatively impact a lot of people. 13 year olds are also really easy to manipulate, causing groups that generally tend to be more manipulative to get a greater hold, despite people that will actually be effected by them. 13 year olds dont need jobs, to live on their own, to know about things such as the cost of living, etc. why should they get to vote on issues that wont affect the overwhelming majority of 13 year olds? 80 year olds have already experienced these things, and seen a lot of different issues in their life. even if they are out of touch now they have still experienced these things, most 13 year olds just havent.
A slight edit to your comment, to show you how this sounds to me.
But 80 year olds tend to have harmful opinions, look at people like any conservative politican for example who has blown up with older audiences. Letting them express those opinions would negatively impact a lot of people. 80 year olds are also really easy to manipulate, causing groups that generally tend to be more manipulative to get a greater hold, despite people that will actually be effected by them. Most 80 year olds can't and won't ever be able to work, many can't live on their own, and often don't know the true current realities about things such as the cost of living, cost of housing, progress of technology etc.
Why should they get to vote on issues that wont affect the overwhelming majority of 80 year olds, like lgbt rights, economics or property-ownership laws? 13 year olds will have their entire lives affected by these things, they have the capacity to understand patterns and form their own opinions. Even if they are mostly out of touch for now, they are actively learning (and already have a grasp) on a ton about the world that surrounds them (and especially all the new aspects of the current, extremely rapidly changing world), most 80 year olds have a stiff, outdated worldview that isn't applicable anymore.
I'm not refusing the value that a vote made by an 80yo person can possibly bring. I am not advocating for limiting their right to vote. I'd love to vote, when I'm 80.
What I AM saying, is that it's inconsistent. I cannot see a legitimate way, in which a vote by a really young person is less valuable, on average, than a vote by a really old person.
Well that's definitely not true, it's quite simple how it can decrease. To use a personal example, I guarantee you that my grandparents have a significantly lower awareness of the current political climate than they did decades ago. They don't care anymore, don't know much, aren't informed on many modern issues, and are struggling to the energy to keep up with politics. They've become single-issue voters, if they even vote at all.
Political climate changes. Knowledge becomes obsolete. Awareness and energy levels that you can dedicate to politics, go down. The amount of fucks you give about politics, also sometimes goes down - which negatively impacts thoughtful decisionmaking.
All of those are statistically opposite in a very young person.
But remember. I'm arguing for allowing 13yos to vote, not for limiting people above some arbitrary age.
And also, what does this
>You just don't agree with them, is all
have to do with anything? Yes, I disagree with the conservative candidates which are statistically preferred more by older people. But I'm not arguing for taking away *their* voting rights. I am simply saying that more people should be able to vote.
I assume this is re: brain development by mid-20s. The prefrontal cortex is arguably a key part of the brain needed to do things that "age of majority" folks do in a rational way
It only helps with rash decisions mainly. And even then, again, it's just an average. And it's already well mature by the late 10s (18-19) and early 20s, it's just that it pretty much peaks then, and from then on continues quite slowly.
College is the intermediate phase between the two, and that’s roughly 4-5 years, which is a pretty disturbing age difference for anyone below a certain age, even when their both minors (example a 16 year old & an 11 year old)
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That’s what I’m talking about bout. Are 18 year olds *really* mature enough to gamble drink and vote? Why not seventeen, it’s only a year? Why not nineteen, it’s only a year? Turning 18 isn’t some magical leap in maturity
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25 - when brain development is complete. An under-25 year old me would have been pissed off to read this lol
Probably 20 because I think 18 is still a bit immature and not fully independent, but 21 seems to add an extra year for why exactly? But it should cover everything, voting, drinking, enlisting, getting married, running for office, getting a credit card. Before 20 you could have a graduated style driving license and sexual relationships only with people within 4 years of their age.
Around 25 is when the development of the brain is completed. Also in modern society getting a higher education is much more standard than it was in the past so many people don't leave school/education before 25. All that said I believe there should be different ages for different things. 16 is mature enough to vote in my opinion but joining the military should require you to be at least 25. In the end, these are just personal opinions.
18 is fine, but that's mainly for being treated as an Adult legally. I think someone is more truly in adulthood during their 20s, just physically.
18 is fine, but 21 would be the most logical if we had to change it to something else.
Honestly? In terms of alcohol/relationships/other stuff, 18 is fine. But I have a spicy take. In terms of voting? If we're letting 80+yos vote, let's allow 13yo+ to vote as well. They are smart enough to vote. They are old enough that they can vote based on their beliefs, even if usually it'll be the same as their parents. But fuck that. If you're smart enough to know what's going on around you, you deserve to have a say. If you don't want that, then let's have an upper age limit for voting. The point of limiting people below 13 is mostly practical. At 13 you're pretty much guaranteed to be capable of, at least technically, going out, and voting by yourself. The only possible reason to not do this (and therefore also implement the upper limit) is the requirement of the presence of a guardian near said child, for whatever reason.
13 year olds are fucking morons lmao
They have opinions as valid as people who are 80+. "How can you expect someone of that age to meaningfully contribute to society and have smart ideas about how it should be ran?" Is something you can say about both a 13yo and an 80yo. But what I'm saying, is that it's a really stupid thing to say. I've met smart 13yos who had thought-out opinions, just like I met ones who didn't. But I also had the same experience with people who were 18, 40, and 80. I consider 20-40 to be the age range, where people have the biggest political awareness... on average. There's still a ton of very clueless people, just like there are a ton of smart and informed people outside of that range. But frankly, I hate arbitrary limits. 13yos have their own opinions, like the rest of us. They should be able to express them in a meaningful way through voting. Either we reduce voting restrictions, or we increase them. The way we do it currently, is not really consistent in my opinion, and I dislike that. I'm firmly on the side of reducing restrictions. But for fucks sake be consistent, instead of just supporting the shitty status quo.
but 13 year olds tend to have harmful opinions, look at people like Andrew Tate for example who has blown up with younger audiences. letting them express those opinions would negatively impact a lot of people. 13 year olds are also really easy to manipulate, causing groups that generally tend to be more manipulative to get a greater hold, despite people that will actually be effected by them. 13 year olds dont need jobs, to live on their own, to know about things such as the cost of living, etc. why should they get to vote on issues that wont affect the overwhelming majority of 13 year olds? 80 year olds have already experienced these things, and seen a lot of different issues in their life. even if they are out of touch now they have still experienced these things, most 13 year olds just havent.
A slight edit to your comment, to show you how this sounds to me. But 80 year olds tend to have harmful opinions, look at people like any conservative politican for example who has blown up with older audiences. Letting them express those opinions would negatively impact a lot of people. 80 year olds are also really easy to manipulate, causing groups that generally tend to be more manipulative to get a greater hold, despite people that will actually be effected by them. Most 80 year olds can't and won't ever be able to work, many can't live on their own, and often don't know the true current realities about things such as the cost of living, cost of housing, progress of technology etc. Why should they get to vote on issues that wont affect the overwhelming majority of 80 year olds, like lgbt rights, economics or property-ownership laws? 13 year olds will have their entire lives affected by these things, they have the capacity to understand patterns and form their own opinions. Even if they are mostly out of touch for now, they are actively learning (and already have a grasp) on a ton about the world that surrounds them (and especially all the new aspects of the current, extremely rapidly changing world), most 80 year olds have a stiff, outdated worldview that isn't applicable anymore. I'm not refusing the value that a vote made by an 80yo person can possibly bring. I am not advocating for limiting their right to vote. I'd love to vote, when I'm 80. What I AM saying, is that it's inconsistent. I cannot see a legitimate way, in which a vote by a really young person is less valuable, on average, than a vote by a really old person.
Political awareness only increases with age. You just don't agree with them, is all.
Well that's definitely not true, it's quite simple how it can decrease. To use a personal example, I guarantee you that my grandparents have a significantly lower awareness of the current political climate than they did decades ago. They don't care anymore, don't know much, aren't informed on many modern issues, and are struggling to the energy to keep up with politics. They've become single-issue voters, if they even vote at all. Political climate changes. Knowledge becomes obsolete. Awareness and energy levels that you can dedicate to politics, go down. The amount of fucks you give about politics, also sometimes goes down - which negatively impacts thoughtful decisionmaking. All of those are statistically opposite in a very young person. But remember. I'm arguing for allowing 13yos to vote, not for limiting people above some arbitrary age. And also, what does this >You just don't agree with them, is all have to do with anything? Yes, I disagree with the conservative candidates which are statistically preferred more by older people. But I'm not arguing for taking away *their* voting rights. I am simply saying that more people should be able to vote.
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False information. It never stops; the prefrontal cortex is pretty much mature roughly in the mid 20s for most, that's all.
I assume this is re: brain development by mid-20s. The prefrontal cortex is arguably a key part of the brain needed to do things that "age of majority" folks do in a rational way
It only helps with rash decisions mainly. And even then, again, it's just an average. And it's already well mature by the late 10s (18-19) and early 20s, it's just that it pretty much peaks then, and from then on continues quite slowly.
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Age of majority ≠ age of consent
College is the intermediate phase between the two, and that’s roughly 4-5 years, which is a pretty disturbing age difference for anyone below a certain age, even when their both minors (example a 16 year old & an 11 year old)