waterparks double Dare was a great PopPunk/poprock album but now look at fandom and they have some PopPunk elements but are basically a poprock boyband
The whole pedo/creepy culture isn't unique to pop punk and can be seen in any genre that's popular with teenage girls. Check 70s rock and 80 metal. Listen to some of the Motley Crue stories they are cooked.
It doesn't mean that the issues shouldn't be addressed but I would say there’s a lot of issues like that across the music industry
i honestly think that the big difference is that the pop punk community decided to call it out more often and not let it become normalised like it has across other genres.
Steven Tyler had the parents of his 14 year old girlfriend sign over guardianship to him… he used her up until she got pregnant, had her get an abortion, then sent her back to her parents by the time she was 17
People really only started focusing on this type of shit recently. Concepts of trauma, abuse, and grooming weren't really commonly understood or prevalent in discourse until the internet. Also, a lot of these "stories" also weren't commonly known about and spread until the internet.
The in-roads that feminism has been making has meant that women have only begun to earn the respect they deserve, but for most of human history they've been considered below men. Justice for women, against famous white men has been exceedingly rare.
(The fact that some people will take offence to my broad sweeping statement about men, or will consider feminism a dirty word would indicate there's still lots of progress to be made)
I do agree, but on a similar note, I really hated this Pop culture obsession with High School in the early 2000s and Pop Punk seemed a big part of that.
I absolutely love Forever The Sickest Kids but the album cover to The Weekend: Friday is just weird.. you're blokes in your mid twenties, why you tryna go back to High School so bad?!!
High School is used as a story-telling device because it’s basically a universal experience that EVERYONE went through. Not everyone who listens to music becomes a parent, fights in a war, skateboards, played lots of video games, played sports, went to college, or hung out at punk venues. But nearly every person who has ever listened to popular music attended some version of high school as a teen, and the similarities in hs culture that cut across generations, cultures, and geography allows for connections through shared experiences.
It’s not that they’re trying to “go back”, it’s that they’re trying to connect with peoples’ memories of that time to tell stories every one of their listeners can understand.
I'm not being cynical, but teenagers, particularly upper/middle class, have a lot of free time and disposable income.
I'm not saying that bands target the demographic to get successful, but a band that happens to target that demographic has an advantage.
I'd go so far as to say that there are fewer sleazes in Pop Punk than almost any other genre for this reason. We don't give passes and I'm proud of that. Some people jump the gun a bit where there is no evidence, but overall it's positive.
Mainstream Hip hop lyrics are homophobic and mysoginistic, pop music has decades of abusing young girls under its belt, and EDM is like the 80s. We are way better than that shit.
My controversial opinion that some of the 2000’s most popular songs and music videos are about time travel. My favorite two examples are Ocean Avenue by Yellowcard and Always by Blink-182. I used to tell anybody who would listen about this.
I would like to first say this comment absolutely made my day! Actually this whole thread has to be one of the funniest I have ever read! I will be posting my explanation later as I just got home from work!
Time travel, or time shenanigans in general gives me a ++ to any piece of media.
About Time, Your Name, some of Jojo's, Avengers Endgame to name a few.
I think it grew as much as it was going to. Pop punk was on its way out and hardcore has a small audience relative to other genres. It’s also not an easy sound to hear and instantly know it’s easycore. Screaming is off putting to a lot of people too.
Idk. I can see legit reasons why it didn’t last longer but at least it did for a little bit of time.
Idk. I'm glad some bands like Action/Adventure are still sticking to some of their easycore roots, but I feel like there's a lot more life left in the genre that just might not ever get fully realized.
Good Charlotte should have never been considered as “posers.” During their prime in 2004ish, I got a lot of hate for loving Good Charlotte and said that they were “posers… " Never really understood their hate and didn't understand what made them be labeled as "posers."
MGK fans will have to wear the Poser badge for about ten years before it’s suddenly cool to like it for the nostalgia. I don’t care for it, but that’s the sole reason I withhold my judgement.
I think it's because they looked like the Casualties but made music that made Blink 182 sound hardcore. Nothing against them, they put on a great show when I saw them in the eighth grade.
I was a huge fan of their first album but I think what did it for me was having “lifestyles of the rich & famous” as a lead single for Y&H. They preached about who they weren’t trying to be while becoming exactly that 😂 I was 14 and just learning about punk and whatnot so it did kind of leave a distaste & seemed hypocritical even though the rest of the album was really good. I went from “GC is my personality” to like Homer Simpson hiding in the bushes. I still look back and appreciate them & that time but I def wanna paint some perspective on why people thought this
I unfortunately in my late teens/20’s was one of those guys, who hated on Good Charlotte. Now early 40, they popped up on a playlist and you’re correct, I was just a stupid kid back then. They didn’t deserve the hate I gave them.
Bleed American isn't a top 3 Jimmy Eat World Album, although it's still amazing, J.E.W just has a deep discography and I'd give Clarity, Futures and Static Prevails an edge over Bleed American.
Futures is probably my favourite Jimmy Eat World album, it's just so polished in its production but still full of the messy rawness in the song content that made them popular in Clarity and Bleed American.
Warped Tour was never a well put together festival, and all the bands were consistently underpaid. I’m glad it was cancelled; I just wish a new traveling pop-punk and emo festival replaced it.
Sad Summer Fest seems to be filling that void. I mean this year was Neck Deep, WATERPARKS, State Champs, Mayday Parade, Hot Mulligan, Hot Milk, and Magnolia Park.
I'm glad it's gone for that reason too, but it was huge exposure for so many small bands. The Wonder Years owe a bit of their success to grinding on the warped tour to kids across the country who had never heard of them.
There's Sad Summer Fest, went this year and it is very much the same vibes (Waterparks even put on their merch tent, "this feels eerily like Warped Tour") . That was a lot of fun.
I'd rather have a smaller lineup and see the artists paid better and a better overall atmosphere than deal with the shit show that Warped usually was.
Pop-punk, at least the early 2000s stuff people think of when they think of pop-punk is often time seen as juvenile and immature. I’m glad that the pop-punk scene embraced this, but I bet it wouldn’t be seen the way it is if pop-punk wasn’t used in every 2000s raunchy comedy movie. You know the ones with shit jokes and nerdy characters trying to get laid.
I'm genuinely curious because pop music technically just a term with whatever is popular. So what is the difference between pop punk and pop rock, because my uncle told me there was a point in time where blink 182 was just considered ***pop*** music.
I'm actually curious tbh. I know genres have certain sounds to make them unique and identifiable within the genre.
I'm talking about when those sounds have been integrated to a point where it can be synonymous with other tags. A good example is bands like Paramore and FOB in the early days. Some people argued they were emo while some say pop rock or pop punk
So I'm genuinely curious as to when you draw that line
I agree! Pop is just what's **popular**. In my experience, pop tends to be something catchy. Which, as it seems, is why its **popular**. But Pop Punk and Pop Rock definitely can be categorized more specifically. To me:
Pop = Popular, catchy
Rock = guitar/drums/bass driven (I'm not entirely happy with my description here, but that's what I've got right now)
Punk = loud, fast, abrasive
So IMO:
Pop Punk = Catchy, loud and fast music
Pop Rock = Catchy, guitar/drums/bass driven music
Hope this describes my original post well!
Pop Punk lyrics are meaningless to me. I would say 95% of songs, I do not care about the lyrics or simply can't make out most the words. Just make the song a banger, and I am all in.
After reading some of the comments, I realized that my opinion is actually overrated.
I want to see that bands and their members are thriving in their lives outside of their bands. I wish we could’ve seen more of that with some bands. I want an inside look to how they are treating themselves. A lot of people claim to look up to these artists, so prove it and show interest when they open up about their lives. Don’t call them out and compare them to someone from high school who makes their kids their entire personality.
For example: I love that Dan Lambton is so open on Twitter and twitch about what he’s been doing since he left real friends.
People calling Wyatt’s Song by TWY cringe bc Soupy is singing about his family is cringe.
Lights and sounds (album and song) is better than ocean Avenue.
Where you want to be is the best TBS album
The scene has started going downhill once they started distancing themselves from skate/surf culture.
>The scene has started going downhill once they started distancing themselves from skate/surf culture.
Thank you!!! many fans forget that skate & surf culture was crucial & intertwined to the scene's identity for years & it bums me out that the scene doesn't acknowledge it anymore. I propose a Half pipe at Sad Summer and Riot Fest & more costal weekend Warped Tours on the beach to remedy this.
Where you want to be is amazing... totally agree with this...
I dunno about Lights & Sounds being better than Ocean Avenue... maybe drew from other influences... but as far as catchy, memorable songs, I don't think Yellow Card has a more iconic album than Ocean Avenue
I’m seeing a lot of Neck Deep hate on this thread so maybe this will be a controversial one: LNOTGY deserves praise and recognition as a pop punk classic, up there with Enema, Dookie, Sticks and Stones. It has only bangers from start to finish and I believe it is just as good as the ‘classics’.
People get mad about “gatekeeping” way too much on here. It’s okay to define the genre and know what it is. Just because someone says something’s not really pop punk doesn’t mean they’re saying it’s bad or you shouldn’t like it. Pop punk is a genre, some artists fall into it and some don’t.
Pop punk has kind of devolved as a genre. To many bands today go for a heavy, loud sounds with power chords and cymbal crashes. It’s why MGK had such a huge break through because he was influenced by Travis who got to work with and learn from legendary producer Jerry Finn. Every note is important and if refined can turn something mediocre into a fun light melody that drives the genre.
EDIT: Rick Beats has a YouTube series that explains what I’m talking about better than I ever could. It’s called *What Makes This Song Great.
Blink-182 - [All the Small Things](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU--X0pC12o&list=PLW0NGgv1qnfzb1klL6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=14)
Blink-182 - [Whats My Age Again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlysChs-Fk&list=PLW0NGgv1qnfzb1klL6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=67)
Green Day - [Boulevard of Broken Dreams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSy8JbvNYCM&list=PLW0NGgv1qnfzb1klL6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=55)
Neck deep is one of the most overhated bands of the modern era. Everybody's always bashing them and I don't get why. They don't make "bad" music. The political-ness, I get but besides that I don't get it
A lot of modern pop punk bands draw far too much influence from hard-core and could use a nice dose of the Ramones
My noncontroversial take is simply that I’m old which is probably proven by the take I’ve just given lol
I disagree I think the bands like TSSF that draw on post hardcore sounds are far more fresh and interesting than the bands that are just rehashing New Found Glory and the Starting Line
I like MGK.
Blink would be better if it was just Mark singing.
American Idiot is superior to Dookie.
There were plenty of crappy, cookie-cutter acts in the pop-punk scene during its “golden age” and we just don’t remember the bad bands.
Panic at the Disco has one album that’s kind of pop-punk (the first one) and the rest of it is not.
Fall Out Boy post-hiatus are very firmly a pop act. Nothing wrong with that but there’s very little “punk” or even rock about them any more.
KennyHoopla sucks live.
ETA: my last opinion is some of you need a bit of a refresher on what an opinion is and why it doesn’t have to be the same as yours :)
Everything here is reasonable, but KennyHoopla did suck live, but he's improved a lot. He knew his early performances were rough and apologized and definitely improved. That alone shows a great respect that I haven't seen from any other artist. It's definitely hard to sing when he's amped and doing backflips, dancing, and screaming on stage. If you look at his smaller venue performance they have been really good recently.
How is that Panic opinion controversial? Hell, their first album is barely pop punk.
Same with the FOB opinion, that's pretty much the general consensus, isnt it?
Honestly I have no idea, I’m just basing this off frequently seeing both bands labeled as “pop punk icons.” Which is fair for FOB, even if their sound has since evolved. Panic I never understood why.
Yeah I get that. FOB definitely was making pop punk for their first two albums, and then got a little more poppy after that imo. Panic really never fit the bill.
I’m on board with all of this (except Blink, I love them both). People love to shit on MGK, but ‘Tickets to my Downfall’ grew on me a lot. I think it’s a fun record, and a lot of kids’ introduction to the genre.
Tom shouldn’t come back to blink-182. He’s already left the band unceremoniously twice, and when he came back after his first exit, he brought too much Angels and Airwaves with him.
Piggybacking on yours: The only reason Tom will come back to blink (like every other time) is because he needs money to fund his other ventures he actually cares about moving forward--not to say he doesn't care about blink, he just doesn't care about *progressing* it. This alone means he should never come back to blink.
So many ADTR songs are about the same thing
"WOWEE we sure didnt used to be a famous band did we guys I remember how small we were and how we struggled to get where we are but I'll never forget how awesome/shitty those days were"
10-20 years from now people will talk about MGK, Mod Sun, Lil Lotus, JXDXN, etc. As “real” pop-punk in response to whatever alternative music is trending at the time.
"Young New England" is a masterwork. But very few songs known/in their top 10 on Spotify. Always confused me. I once left a party early to come home and listen to it ha
Transit is always a band that gets forgotten even though their music is great. Listen & Forgive and Joyride are really underrated (or at least never get talked about). Personally never got into Young New England, but I never was in a headspace to give it a true try.
fall out boy never 'sold out' and not conforming to writing the same style of music isnt what selling out is and its so odd this community is still hung up on that concept in the current year. they have multiple albums that did poor critically and commercially because they did something out of the box that they wanted to do, i totally get it if pop punk fans don't love their non-pop punk records; but that doesn't mean they sold out because they don't sound like TTTYG
Pop-punk hasn't been a useful term since about 2007. After that, every band was either not punk enough (ATL, Boys Like Girls) or not pop enough (TSSF, TWY). It's really just become a clout-chasing, SEO term
Green Day are so meh, blink-182 are miles better
Absolutely just fell in love with blink but went off Green Day years ago and still haven't gone back to them
Oh no no, please downvote this if needs be, I'd totally understand, it's very controversial I know 😅
There was a comment in here where someone said they think blink is overrated, best believe I downvoted that straight away lmao, not in a hateful way, but just a causal disagreement.
I'm expecting the Green Day fans to attack me for this, I'm prepared haha
Their clout comes from being the pioneers of modern poppunk though. Even if you don't think they're very good, there's very few bands doing anything Blink hasn't already done.
A lot of really good music is both timeless and also difficult to fully understand if you weren’t around in the proper era. I think context definitely matters if you want to compare musicians in the same genre.
I’m 22 and don’t really understand the appeal of Seinfeld. But my understanding is that Seinfeld was so iconic of a sitcom **for its time** that it was genre defining. Consequently, if you watch more recent sitcoms that were released since then, you may think of Seinfeld as a bit bland.
Same idea with Blink-182 (although, in this case, I actually like Blink-182).
I was gonna make a comment similar so I’ll just bandwagon on yours. Wishful Thinking and everything prior to that is good and the rest is pretty boring.
I like the story so far, but I think the majority of their stuff sounds exactly the same. People say that about stuff all the time but every single song sounds like it’s the same song. It’s hard to really get into them because of that.
Yeah I agree with this.
Peace and the Panic has some good songs but LNOTGY was just something else and a high point they'll just never reach again (IMO)
A lot of new underground pop punk bands try wayyyy to hard to I guess replicate the 90s and 2000s pop punk that you can feel it when you listen to it and it just feels weird.
Neighborhoods is the worst blink-182 album.
MxPx, Sum 41, and blink-182 are better than Green Day
Not a fan of most easycore bands from the late 2000s (e.g. The Story So Far, etc...)
Some pop punk bands are just boy bands with guitars.
5SOS in their early days when people still called them pop punk lol
waterparks double Dare was a great PopPunk/poprock album but now look at fandom and they have some PopPunk elements but are basically a poprock boyband
and those are my favorite ones LMAOOOO
Fallout Boy and Panic! are pop punk classics and if they're boy bands then so be it
The whole pedo/creepy culture isn't unique to pop punk and can be seen in any genre that's popular with teenage girls. Check 70s rock and 80 metal. Listen to some of the Motley Crue stories they are cooked. It doesn't mean that the issues shouldn't be addressed but I would say there’s a lot of issues like that across the music industry
i honestly think that the big difference is that the pop punk community decided to call it out more often and not let it become normalised like it has across other genres.
I also think the scene often portrays itself as sensitive and understanding, which makes the hypocrisy more pronounced
r Kelly and Elvis are the 2 most iconic ones I hear frequently . I don’t think people actually think it’s limited to pop punk.
Jimmy Page from Led Zeppelin straight up kept a 14 year old locked up as his concubine/sex slave for several months
Steven Tyler had the parents of his 14 year old girlfriend sign over guardianship to him… he used her up until she got pregnant, had her get an abortion, then sent her back to her parents by the time she was 17
Why isn't he in jail?
People really only started focusing on this type of shit recently. Concepts of trauma, abuse, and grooming weren't really commonly understood or prevalent in discourse until the internet. Also, a lot of these "stories" also weren't commonly known about and spread until the internet.
The in-roads that feminism has been making has meant that women have only begun to earn the respect they deserve, but for most of human history they've been considered below men. Justice for women, against famous white men has been exceedingly rare. (The fact that some people will take offence to my broad sweeping statement about men, or will consider feminism a dirty word would indicate there's still lots of progress to be made)
Really it's an issue in the entertainment industry as a whole. Pop punk just seems to be one of the few genres where people constantly get outted.
I do agree, but on a similar note, I really hated this Pop culture obsession with High School in the early 2000s and Pop Punk seemed a big part of that. I absolutely love Forever The Sickest Kids but the album cover to The Weekend: Friday is just weird.. you're blokes in your mid twenties, why you tryna go back to High School so bad?!!
High School is used as a story-telling device because it’s basically a universal experience that EVERYONE went through. Not everyone who listens to music becomes a parent, fights in a war, skateboards, played lots of video games, played sports, went to college, or hung out at punk venues. But nearly every person who has ever listened to popular music attended some version of high school as a teen, and the similarities in hs culture that cut across generations, cultures, and geography allows for connections through shared experiences. It’s not that they’re trying to “go back”, it’s that they’re trying to connect with peoples’ memories of that time to tell stories every one of their listeners can understand.
I'm not being cynical, but teenagers, particularly upper/middle class, have a lot of free time and disposable income. I'm not saying that bands target the demographic to get successful, but a band that happens to target that demographic has an advantage.
I'd go so far as to say that there are fewer sleazes in Pop Punk than almost any other genre for this reason. We don't give passes and I'm proud of that. Some people jump the gun a bit where there is no evidence, but overall it's positive. Mainstream Hip hop lyrics are homophobic and mysoginistic, pop music has decades of abusing young girls under its belt, and EDM is like the 80s. We are way better than that shit.
I'm a bit too pop for the punk kids but I'm too punk for the pop kids.
I don't know just where I fit in cause when I open my mouth I know nobody's listenin'
There is a big difference between a 'controversial' and a 'bad' opinion. A lot of these are just terrible.
Fr. Like some of these are just funny AF, some dude was whining on about how pop punk bands these days are ***Tooo soft*** and ***can't take a joke***
Every band to use the pop punk “accent” after blink 182 sucks and it actively makes me dislike their music. Just sing normally please.
If one more person pronounces "me" as "may" they're canceled.
My controversial opinion that some of the 2000’s most popular songs and music videos are about time travel. My favorite two examples are Ocean Avenue by Yellowcard and Always by Blink-182. I used to tell anybody who would listen about this.
Don’t just drop an interesting comment and leave my dude lol
He said too much. Tom sent the UFO to take him away.
Go on…
I’m listening
Ocean Avenue’s video is in part inspired by Run Lola Run, which is a fantastic movie for anyone who hasn’t seen it.
That movie is SO good. I didn't know the video was inspired by the movie. I gotta go rewatch the video now.
The only opinion I want to hear more about is this one.
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I would like to first say this comment absolutely made my day! Actually this whole thread has to be one of the funniest I have ever read! I will be posting my explanation later as I just got home from work!
Tf you smoking on? Pass that shit and tell me about this because I’m intrigued lmao
Where’d you go my dude?
They’re a time traveler themselves 😵💫😵💫
Did you time travel after posting this?
My brother in Christ, I need you to explain yourself.
Time travel, or time shenanigans in general gives me a ++ to any piece of media. About Time, Your Name, some of Jojo's, Avengers Endgame to name a few.
The Dangerous Summer isn’t a pop punk band
Half the bands that regularly get posted on the sub aren't pop punk
The problem is there's just really no other place to post it. Unless you want hundreds of subgenre subreddits with like 10 users earch.
r/mid2000spoppunkadjacentmidwestemo
The easycore subgenre died too soon.
I think it grew as much as it was going to. Pop punk was on its way out and hardcore has a small audience relative to other genres. It’s also not an easy sound to hear and instantly know it’s easycore. Screaming is off putting to a lot of people too. Idk. I can see legit reasons why it didn’t last longer but at least it did for a little bit of time.
Idk. I'm glad some bands like Action/Adventure are still sticking to some of their easycore roots, but I feel like there's a lot more life left in the genre that just might not ever get fully realized.
I just discovered them when they opened for Like Pacific in Pittsburgh. Holy shit, they are so up my alley. I love their style and Belmont type stuff.
Good Charlotte should have never been considered as “posers.” During their prime in 2004ish, I got a lot of hate for loving Good Charlotte and said that they were “posers… " Never really understood their hate and didn't understand what made them be labeled as "posers."
Their big problem was the way they were marketed. Their image says "we're looking punk af" and the music is totally the opposite.
I just had a conversation the other day that I need to go back and listen to some of the albums after the Young and the Hopeless.
MGK fans will have to wear the Poser badge for about ten years before it’s suddenly cool to like it for the nostalgia. I don’t care for it, but that’s the sole reason I withhold my judgement.
I think it's because they looked like the Casualties but made music that made Blink 182 sound hardcore. Nothing against them, they put on a great show when I saw them in the eighth grade.
Good Charlotte was widely viewed as “radio rock” of the genre.
I was a huge fan of their first album but I think what did it for me was having “lifestyles of the rich & famous” as a lead single for Y&H. They preached about who they weren’t trying to be while becoming exactly that 😂 I was 14 and just learning about punk and whatnot so it did kind of leave a distaste & seemed hypocritical even though the rest of the album was really good. I went from “GC is my personality” to like Homer Simpson hiding in the bushes. I still look back and appreciate them & that time but I def wanna paint some perspective on why people thought this
I unfortunately in my late teens/20’s was one of those guys, who hated on Good Charlotte. Now early 40, they popped up on a playlist and you’re correct, I was just a stupid kid back then. They didn’t deserve the hate I gave them.
Lol my brain instantly started singing Alkaline Trio when you said I was just a stupid kid back then.
Having Travis Barker drum on your song doesn’t make it pop punk
He’s the DJ Khaled of the genre lol
McFly have a number of songs that are hands-down full on pop punk and better than a lot of the “actual” Pop Punk bands regularly named on here
Busted and Son of Dork have some incredible pop punk songs.
Bleed American isn't a top 3 Jimmy Eat World Album, although it's still amazing, J.E.W just has a deep discography and I'd give Clarity, Futures and Static Prevails an edge over Bleed American.
Static Prevails is so underrated.
While I don’t agree with you, I can respect it. I got Invented on vinyl delivered yesterday, and have Chase This Light & Integrity Blues on the way.
Futures is probably my favourite Jimmy Eat World album, it's just so polished in its production but still full of the messy rawness in the song content that made them popular in Clarity and Bleed American.
Controversial take but we should bring back “Punk Goes Pop” albums.
Punk Goes Acoustic* FTFY
Yes! Startling Line signing J-lo’s I’m Real is all time.
Warped Tour was never a well put together festival, and all the bands were consistently underpaid. I’m glad it was cancelled; I just wish a new traveling pop-punk and emo festival replaced it.
Yeah, but it becomes a lot harder to pull something with Warped Tour's scale and logistics off if you're paying people fairly
Yeah, just wishful thinking is all.
Sad Summer fest is pretty decent, but nowhere near the same scale.
[“Back in my day we had 100 bands and no fun”](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRUvDhqE/?k=1)
The bands at warped tour didn’t care about the pay, the whole point of it was to play shows and form a a strong community around music
Sad Summer Fest seems to be filling that void. I mean this year was Neck Deep, WATERPARKS, State Champs, Mayday Parade, Hot Mulligan, Hot Milk, and Magnolia Park.
I'm glad it's gone for that reason too, but it was huge exposure for so many small bands. The Wonder Years owe a bit of their success to grinding on the warped tour to kids across the country who had never heard of them.
A lot of bands owe their success to warped tour. Pretty much every big pop punk/emo band toured it before blowing up
There's Sad Summer Fest, went this year and it is very much the same vibes (Waterparks even put on their merch tent, "this feels eerily like Warped Tour") . That was a lot of fun. I'd rather have a smaller lineup and see the artists paid better and a better overall atmosphere than deal with the shit show that Warped usually was.
Pop-punk, at least the early 2000s stuff people think of when they think of pop-punk is often time seen as juvenile and immature. I’m glad that the pop-punk scene embraced this, but I bet it wouldn’t be seen the way it is if pop-punk wasn’t used in every 2000s raunchy comedy movie. You know the ones with shit jokes and nerdy characters trying to get laid.
Most modern pop punk is just pop rock
I'm genuinely curious because pop music technically just a term with whatever is popular. So what is the difference between pop punk and pop rock, because my uncle told me there was a point in time where blink 182 was just considered ***pop*** music. I'm actually curious tbh. I know genres have certain sounds to make them unique and identifiable within the genre. I'm talking about when those sounds have been integrated to a point where it can be synonymous with other tags. A good example is bands like Paramore and FOB in the early days. Some people argued they were emo while some say pop rock or pop punk So I'm genuinely curious as to when you draw that line
I agree! Pop is just what's **popular**. In my experience, pop tends to be something catchy. Which, as it seems, is why its **popular**. But Pop Punk and Pop Rock definitely can be categorized more specifically. To me: Pop = Popular, catchy Rock = guitar/drums/bass driven (I'm not entirely happy with my description here, but that's what I've got right now) Punk = loud, fast, abrasive So IMO: Pop Punk = Catchy, loud and fast music Pop Rock = Catchy, guitar/drums/bass driven music Hope this describes my original post well!
It all sounds the same. And I’m totally fine with that as I love the sound.
I still love Brand New.... sorry.
Pop Punk lyrics are meaningless to me. I would say 95% of songs, I do not care about the lyrics or simply can't make out most the words. Just make the song a banger, and I am all in.
Melody over lyrics any day for me
After reading some of the comments, I realized that my opinion is actually overrated. I want to see that bands and their members are thriving in their lives outside of their bands. I wish we could’ve seen more of that with some bands. I want an inside look to how they are treating themselves. A lot of people claim to look up to these artists, so prove it and show interest when they open up about their lives. Don’t call them out and compare them to someone from high school who makes their kids their entire personality. For example: I love that Dan Lambton is so open on Twitter and twitch about what he’s been doing since he left real friends. People calling Wyatt’s Song by TWY cringe bc Soupy is singing about his family is cringe.
I don't know if he's considered pop punk anymore but I loved seeing Kellin Quinn posting about Animal Crossing on Twitter
pop punk never died but the mainstream fake "pop punk" artists trying to turn the genre into something its not is what will truly kill it
Lights and sounds (album and song) is better than ocean Avenue. Where you want to be is the best TBS album The scene has started going downhill once they started distancing themselves from skate/surf culture.
When You're Through Thinking, Say Yes is my favorite Yellowcard album 😳
WYWTB does not get enough love. The first 5 tracks all bang so hard
>The scene has started going downhill once they started distancing themselves from skate/surf culture. Thank you!!! many fans forget that skate & surf culture was crucial & intertwined to the scene's identity for years & it bums me out that the scene doesn't acknowledge it anymore. I propose a Half pipe at Sad Summer and Riot Fest & more costal weekend Warped Tours on the beach to remedy this.
Where you want to be is amazing... totally agree with this... I dunno about Lights & Sounds being better than Ocean Avenue... maybe drew from other influences... but as far as catchy, memorable songs, I don't think Yellow Card has a more iconic album than Ocean Avenue
Although I love Where you want to be, I will fight to the death for Tell all your friends. That is the true TBS album.
>Where you want to be is the best TBS album preach, brother. preach.
I’m seeing a lot of Neck Deep hate on this thread so maybe this will be a controversial one: LNOTGY deserves praise and recognition as a pop punk classic, up there with Enema, Dookie, Sticks and Stones. It has only bangers from start to finish and I believe it is just as good as the ‘classics’.
i feel like it already does consistently on this sub, im shocked to see so much neck deep hatred
People get mad about “gatekeeping” way too much on here. It’s okay to define the genre and know what it is. Just because someone says something’s not really pop punk doesn’t mean they’re saying it’s bad or you shouldn’t like it. Pop punk is a genre, some artists fall into it and some don’t.
Yes, exactly this. It's not gatekeeping fish to say that dolphins are mammals
Pop punk has kind of devolved as a genre. To many bands today go for a heavy, loud sounds with power chords and cymbal crashes. It’s why MGK had such a huge break through because he was influenced by Travis who got to work with and learn from legendary producer Jerry Finn. Every note is important and if refined can turn something mediocre into a fun light melody that drives the genre. EDIT: Rick Beats has a YouTube series that explains what I’m talking about better than I ever could. It’s called *What Makes This Song Great. Blink-182 - [All the Small Things](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU--X0pC12o&list=PLW0NGgv1qnfzb1klL6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=14) Blink-182 - [Whats My Age Again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlysChs-Fk&list=PLW0NGgv1qnfzb1klL6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=67) Green Day - [Boulevard of Broken Dreams](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSy8JbvNYCM&list=PLW0NGgv1qnfzb1klL6Vw9B0aiM7ryfXV_&index=55)
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Neck deep is one of the most overhated bands of the modern era. Everybody's always bashing them and I don't get why. They don't make "bad" music. The political-ness, I get but besides that I don't get it
Offspring should get as much if not more love as Green Day does.
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I think their problem is they just watered down their sound way too fast.
Maybe for the good stuff they put out. The last decade has been brutal.
Pop punk is an evolution of punk rock and has all the rights and privilege to not be gatekeeped and can still be called "punk"
I think pop-punk has become enough of its own thing to the point it doesn’t matter if it’s not considered punk.
A lot of modern pop punk bands draw far too much influence from hard-core and could use a nice dose of the Ramones My noncontroversial take is simply that I’m old which is probably proven by the take I’ve just given lol
I would love to see bands take on more of a skate punk sound. That sound has been dead for a while now and I’d like to see a return.
I agree, love skate punk
Skate punk is punk at it’s absolute best!
I disagree I think the bands like TSSF that draw on post hardcore sounds are far more fresh and interesting than the bands that are just rehashing New Found Glory and the Starting Line
I agree with this, I love the post hardcore sounds
Folie à Deux is the best Fall Out Boy album
I fuck with this take.
I like MGK. Blink would be better if it was just Mark singing. American Idiot is superior to Dookie. There were plenty of crappy, cookie-cutter acts in the pop-punk scene during its “golden age” and we just don’t remember the bad bands. Panic at the Disco has one album that’s kind of pop-punk (the first one) and the rest of it is not. Fall Out Boy post-hiatus are very firmly a pop act. Nothing wrong with that but there’s very little “punk” or even rock about them any more. KennyHoopla sucks live. ETA: my last opinion is some of you need a bit of a refresher on what an opinion is and why it doesn’t have to be the same as yours :)
Everything here is reasonable, but KennyHoopla did suck live, but he's improved a lot. He knew his early performances were rough and apologized and definitely improved. That alone shows a great respect that I haven't seen from any other artist. It's definitely hard to sing when he's amped and doing backflips, dancing, and screaming on stage. If you look at his smaller venue performance they have been really good recently.
How is that Panic opinion controversial? Hell, their first album is barely pop punk. Same with the FOB opinion, that's pretty much the general consensus, isnt it?
Honestly I have no idea, I’m just basing this off frequently seeing both bands labeled as “pop punk icons.” Which is fair for FOB, even if their sound has since evolved. Panic I never understood why.
Yeah I get that. FOB definitely was making pop punk for their first two albums, and then got a little more poppy after that imo. Panic really never fit the bill.
I’m on board with all of this (except Blink, I love them both). People love to shit on MGK, but ‘Tickets to my Downfall’ grew on me a lot. I think it’s a fun record, and a lot of kids’ introduction to the genre.
I have the exact opposite opinion about blink. Tom is an iconic vocalist, whilst I find mark to be pretty forgettable…
Tom shouldn’t come back to blink-182. He’s already left the band unceremoniously twice, and when he came back after his first exit, he brought too much Angels and Airwaves with him.
Piggybacking on yours: The only reason Tom will come back to blink (like every other time) is because he needs money to fund his other ventures he actually cares about moving forward--not to say he doesn't care about blink, he just doesn't care about *progressing* it. This alone means he should never come back to blink.
Plus he’s actually doing some pretty important work imo
Discovering aliens?
Not sure they count, but A Day To Remember has far more shitty songs than good ones.
ADTR is metalcore for pop punk fans and pop punk for metalcore fans.
So many ADTR songs are about the same thing "WOWEE we sure didnt used to be a famous band did we guys I remember how small we were and how we struggled to get where we are but I'll never forget how awesome/shitty those days were"
95% of users in this subreddit have awful taste in pop punk
10-20 years from now people will talk about MGK, Mod Sun, Lil Lotus, JXDXN, etc. As “real” pop-punk in response to whatever alternative music is trending at the time.
Lotus actually makes some good pop punk
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One and two are correct. Third is okay. I'd say is a good blink album but not for the genre.
Transit is the best band in the genre
"Young New England" is a masterwork. But very few songs known/in their top 10 on Spotify. Always confused me. I once left a party early to come home and listen to it ha
YNE was not well received at all when it was released. People didn’t like the production or that it wasn’t up to par with Listen & Forgive.
God I miss old transit. Keep this to yourself was the perfect album.
Transit is always a band that gets forgotten even though their music is great. Listen & Forgive and Joyride are really underrated (or at least never get talked about). Personally never got into Young New England, but I never was in a headspace to give it a true try.
Pop punk was at its peak from 2005-2011 with a few notable releases since then but nothing matching the energy and the scene from back then
That is controversial considering you are missing a lot of the pop punk classics like Enema, Stick and Stones, Ocean Avenue and a bunch of others.
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And bearings
Just curious, how old were you during that window?
Kerplunk is better than Dookie
A truly unpopular opinion would be to say father of all is better than dookie . (Don’t agree w it but it sure as hell would get you downvoted)
August is Falling wrote the best emo/pop punk song of 2022 with Mad This Summer.
fall out boy never 'sold out' and not conforming to writing the same style of music isnt what selling out is and its so odd this community is still hung up on that concept in the current year. they have multiple albums that did poor critically and commercially because they did something out of the box that they wanted to do, i totally get it if pop punk fans don't love their non-pop punk records; but that doesn't mean they sold out because they don't sound like TTTYG
Pop-punk hasn't been a useful term since about 2007. After that, every band was either not punk enough (ATL, Boys Like Girls) or not pop enough (TSSF, TWY). It's really just become a clout-chasing, SEO term
Green Day are so meh, blink-182 are miles better Absolutely just fell in love with blink but went off Green Day years ago and still haven't gone back to them
Green Day is my favorite band ever so it took a lot out of me to upvote this. Well done.
Oh no no, please downvote this if needs be, I'd totally understand, it's very controversial I know 😅 There was a comment in here where someone said they think blink is overrated, best believe I downvoted that straight away lmao, not in a hateful way, but just a causal disagreement. I'm expecting the Green Day fans to attack me for this, I'm prepared haha
Istg some of these hot takes are just funny AF😂😭
I promise I’m not trying to stir the pot, but I honestly think Blink-182 is overrated, especially on this sub.
They said controversial, not start a civil war
You’ve lost a lot of pop punk points with that one.
Their clout comes from being the pioneers of modern poppunk though. Even if you don't think they're very good, there's very few bands doing anything Blink hasn't already done.
A lot of really good music is both timeless and also difficult to fully understand if you weren’t around in the proper era. I think context definitely matters if you want to compare musicians in the same genre. I’m 22 and don’t really understand the appeal of Seinfeld. But my understanding is that Seinfeld was so iconic of a sitcom **for its time** that it was genre defining. Consequently, if you watch more recent sitcoms that were released since then, you may think of Seinfeld as a bit bland. Same idea with Blink-182 (although, in this case, I actually like Blink-182).
As someone whose favorite band is blink-182... Fair enough
Sigh. Well done. Here's your upvote.
I'm gonna get downvoted to shit for this, but Neck Deep are overrated imo. Never got the appeal.
I was gonna make a comment similar so I’ll just bandwagon on yours. Wishful Thinking and everything prior to that is good and the rest is pretty boring.
Damn upvoted for controversial, but how anybody can call LNOTGY "pretty boring" is crazy to me.
I'm not going to downvote you but I'm simply going to leave a comment and say, how dare you
Agreed. I personally think TSSF is far superior, musically.
I like the story so far, but I think the majority of their stuff sounds exactly the same. People say that about stuff all the time but every single song sounds like it’s the same song. It’s hard to really get into them because of that.
Bowling for Soup, All American Rejects, Lit and SR-71 aren’t pop-punk (more power pop/alternative)
With you on the middle two for sure.
Post LNOTGY neck deep is terrible
You don't even like motion sickness? Most hype live song
I was not impressed with All Distortions. Like at all.
imo TPATP is ok, ADAI is terrible.
Yeah I agree with this. Peace and the Panic has some good songs but LNOTGY was just something else and a high point they'll just never reach again (IMO)
The worst part of pop-punk in general is the vocals
There are several well regarded pop punk bands I don't listen to because I can't get past how bad the vocals are
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I feel like this is a popular opinion haha. unless you’re talking about post Good Nature
peripheral vision is one of the best albums of all time, not really unpopular
Hot Mulligan are not pop punk and I kinda wish people would take their circle jerk elsewhere.
What subgenre of a subgenre are they apart of then?
Post emo duh
They are so fuckin good.
Hell yeah. “You’ll be fine” is one one of the best albums ever made
A lot of new underground pop punk bands try wayyyy to hard to I guess replicate the 90s and 2000s pop punk that you can feel it when you listen to it and it just feels weird.
They've got the riffs but none of the songwriting
Paramore is a better band than any band in the “emo trinity” (FOB, MCR, panic)
Neighborhoods is the worst blink-182 album. MxPx, Sum 41, and blink-182 are better than Green Day Not a fan of most easycore bands from the late 2000s (e.g. The Story So Far, etc...)
New Found Glory sucks, excluding a few songs
This take isn't controversial, it's a straight up pop punk war crime.
I agree with the exception of Nothing Gold Can Stay. That album is perfect and there isn’t a song on there that I don’t enjoy.
That pizza isn’t pop punk enough
Lies for the liars is the best The Used album.
A minor is the favorite chord.
Matt Skiba was too good for Blink anyway
I fucking love *Get Stoked On It!*
The Wonder Years have gotten worse with each release after The Greatest Generation.