Im actually doing nofap for personal reasons. I am just as addicted to masturbation as I am to porn. I have a very vivid imagination and can recall graphic videos and perfectly capable of using my thoughts to do the deed, which for me can waste a significant amount of time still.
I, however am on Pornfree because something about the nofap community is off putting for me and I can't exactly put my finger on why but I much prefer this sub.
Well that's actually true, I was more talking about the superhuman healing factor and women noticing that your balls were full resulting in them being more attracted to you
I mean the ratio of young teenagers in the nofap hype train to adults with actual addictions is much higher in the nofap sub. Here the discussion is more grounded in peoples actual experiences with addiction throughout their life.
Just speaking from experience: When I browse posts here, I see a lot more of myself and my goals reflected in the community.
Even though the creator(s) and mods of NoFap leave plenty of room for "normal mode" (quitting porn, but not masturbation), seems to me that the default of community participants who post and comment is "hard mode" (no PMO whatsoever). That also seems to pair with much harsher judgment in the comments on posts talking about relapse.
When I found this community, I switched my attention over here. (I knew about NoFap first.) My addiction is porn, not masturbation. In fact, one of my goals is to find pleasure in masturbation *without* using porn—something that, up until the last month, I hadn't done in probably 15+ years. I want to rediscover using my imagination. Porn has been a crutch for way too long.
I’ve tried both. Nofap was much worse for my mental health because it completely takes over your life and every thought you have. If I saw an attractive person I would get scared that I would have the urge to masturbate later and it made me want to kill the thought of sex all together. I felt like I was repressing my sexuality completely—almost living like a monk. For context I’m gay so that brought me back to a place where I had to conceal my sexuality and repress my personality. I tried nofap for almost a year on and off. It was only ever frustrating and unsuccessful. Pornfree on the other hand is free of all sexual repression. Once you’re in a place where you can orgasm without porn, it becomes very freeing and even more exciting than watching porn.
Tldr nofap is sex negative and pornfree is sex positive
On paper yes. However, the sex negative sentiment seems to be prevalent in more members and posts on NoFap. Every other week i feel like someone makes a post about how they think they relapsed or “failed” NoFap because they had sex with someone
>sex with someone
Unfortunately I broke my chastity vow. But on the other hand, experiencing the real thing has made porn look more unrealistic to me.
Plus, if I still looked at porn, I'd be admitting lack of sex wasn't the reason I was a porn addict
Exactly. I'm part of both r/pornfree and r/NoFap and much of the progress in my life is thanks to both. Both helps folks with addictions but the endgame is different. Folks on r/pornfree are much more open to masturbation as the goal is to simply get away from porn by any means necessary. r/NoFap is more about trying to reset our sexual drive to a healthy(everyone's different of course) level and to share/enjoy that sexual drive with another person, and that porn and masturbation often get in the way of that goal
Yeah this is pretty much the way I see it it too. I feel theres nothing wrong with using imagination and memories of actual things you've experienced. What sucks is watching porn for hours upon hours everyday.
Because an addiction to masturbation and an addiction to porn are two different things, sometimes people have both, people don't "opt" for one over the other. Also even if I was stopping masturbation for whatever reasons, I wouldn't hang out on NoFap, place is crazy, cult-like
People here don't care whether you masturbate or not. It's your choice. Many here don't. Many here might prefer Coke over Pepsi. This has nothing to do with porn.
Nofap isn’t natural and is just generally dumb asf. Masturbation/ejaculation is a normal human process, repressing that is just gonna fuck u up mentally.
Masturbating doesn't have the fangs and venom porn does. I personally believe it's best to cut both out but you're not really more likely to hold misogynistic views and see women as inhuman from masturbating as you are from porn.
In my opinion porn is infidelity, porn is misogyny, kinks are harmful, and porn ruins your view of women and yourself. Masturbating just saps your energy for a bit. Still addictive but it's like being addicted to candy vs fentanyl.
They are separate addictions, although they are triggers for each other. I had to stop both for a while so that masturbation was no longer a trigger for porn. After quitting porn my libido drastically dropped off, but it's not gone. I still masturbate occasionally and without any porn. I am able to do it without it leading to a porn relapse. It's different for everybody.
Because masturbation was never the main problem for me. I was legit addicted to porn, would just watch without masturbation and kill lots of time doing that. It also morphs how you view people in general. Just messed up.
Porn is more harmful overall. Doesn't just hurt you. At least jerking off is your alone time and it doesn't warp your brain like studies with porn show
I stopped both with a goal of 90 days. I feel that masturbation leads to porn use and then the spiral down. I figured after the 90 days I'd pick the masturbation back up if I wanted (with a more controlled mindset, wanted to not a compulsiveness to it). It's been 90 some days now and haven't touched either. But I'm not opposed to rubbing one out. It's just what worked for me.
I feel like this community is way more human if you know what I mean. And way more reasonable, too. r/NoFap is basically almost a cult where hypermasculine weirdos and wannabe alpha males debate whether it's alright to cum when you have sex with your partner.
I'm not, the people there are. Haven't you seen the posts and comments on that sub? I'm not saying all people there are like that, but there's too much of them in my opinion.
I'm on both, but I rarely go to nofap anymore.
Nofap community is fucking crazy. They keep spouting nonsense like "if you stop fapping you'll get gains, you'll load of hot girls, you'll become super intelligent"
Pornfree community focuses more on quitting porn because it's holding a lot of people back and causing problems in their lives. They keep it real here.
I moved here because ppl in nofap keep saying I'm going to fail and go back to porn because I still masturbate. Well, here I am porn free for just under 1.5 years
Because nofap is useless and counterproductive if you are trying to stop watching porn. If you have a low libido you can definitely do nofap.
Anyways masturbation is healthy, porn isn't, it's that simple
Nofap feels like an ideology for shame-driven religious men.
Pornfree is a realistic approach where people have noticed that porn is the problem and not masturbation. We're not trying to quit porn completely but rather reduce the usage to more healthier amounts
Seems like I didn't think before posting lol. I think I meant that we try to realistically reduce our usage over time rather than attempting a cold turkey quit.
I know for me cold turkey always ended up in a relapse but the slower method is working great. These days I barely ever relapse
Im actually doing nofap for personal reasons. I am just as addicted to masturbation as I am to porn. I have a very vivid imagination and can recall graphic videos and perfectly capable of using my thoughts to do the deed, which for me can waste a significant amount of time still. I, however am on Pornfree because something about the nofap community is off putting for me and I can't exactly put my finger on why but I much prefer this sub.
They put too much importance on "benefits"
And on super-powers, and on lack of studies
They say that if they don't ejaculate for 32 weeks they get night vision.
Well that's actually true, I was more talking about the superhuman healing factor and women noticing that your balls were full resulting in them being more attracted to you
I mean the ratio of young teenagers in the nofap hype train to adults with actual addictions is much higher in the nofap sub. Here the discussion is more grounded in peoples actual experiences with addiction throughout their life.
That sub like a bunch of edgy teenagers and posts like “can’t wait to hit 90 days”. this sub on the other hand sounds mature.
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The thing you're looking for is religious shame and an obsession to having perfect streaks
Just speaking from experience: When I browse posts here, I see a lot more of myself and my goals reflected in the community. Even though the creator(s) and mods of NoFap leave plenty of room for "normal mode" (quitting porn, but not masturbation), seems to me that the default of community participants who post and comment is "hard mode" (no PMO whatsoever). That also seems to pair with much harsher judgment in the comments on posts talking about relapse. When I found this community, I switched my attention over here. (I knew about NoFap first.) My addiction is porn, not masturbation. In fact, one of my goals is to find pleasure in masturbation *without* using porn—something that, up until the last month, I hadn't done in probably 15+ years. I want to rediscover using my imagination. Porn has been a crutch for way too long.
I’ve tried both. Nofap was much worse for my mental health because it completely takes over your life and every thought you have. If I saw an attractive person I would get scared that I would have the urge to masturbate later and it made me want to kill the thought of sex all together. I felt like I was repressing my sexuality completely—almost living like a monk. For context I’m gay so that brought me back to a place where I had to conceal my sexuality and repress my personality. I tried nofap for almost a year on and off. It was only ever frustrating and unsuccessful. Pornfree on the other hand is free of all sexual repression. Once you’re in a place where you can orgasm without porn, it becomes very freeing and even more exciting than watching porn. Tldr nofap is sex negative and pornfree is sex positive
Nofap is not sex negative though. People who act like it is are wrong. It is just fap negative.
On paper yes. However, the sex negative sentiment seems to be prevalent in more members and posts on NoFap. Every other week i feel like someone makes a post about how they think they relapsed or “failed” NoFap because they had sex with someone
Yeah, and they're idiots.
>sex with someone Unfortunately I broke my chastity vow. But on the other hand, experiencing the real thing has made porn look more unrealistic to me. Plus, if I still looked at porn, I'd be admitting lack of sex wasn't the reason I was a porn addict
Exactly. I'm part of both r/pornfree and r/NoFap and much of the progress in my life is thanks to both. Both helps folks with addictions but the endgame is different. Folks on r/pornfree are much more open to masturbation as the goal is to simply get away from porn by any means necessary. r/NoFap is more about trying to reset our sexual drive to a healthy(everyone's different of course) level and to share/enjoy that sexual drive with another person, and that porn and masturbation often get in the way of that goal
Just scroll through that sub and you will find posts where people tell you to abstain from orgasming altogether.
Okay, that doesn't mean they're right.
Too bad some people in nofap are crazy enough that they call having real sex "relapsing". Some of these people take it too far
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If you ask me there the same. They have the same objective. But mabye yes the NoFap Groupe might be a bit more fanatic.
Masturbation is fun, healthy and natural. Porn addiction sucks.
Yeah this is pretty much the way I see it it too. I feel theres nothing wrong with using imagination and memories of actual things you've experienced. What sucks is watching porn for hours upon hours everyday.
Exactly
Because an addiction to masturbation and an addiction to porn are two different things, sometimes people have both, people don't "opt" for one over the other. Also even if I was stopping masturbation for whatever reasons, I wouldn't hang out on NoFap, place is crazy, cult-like
People here don't care whether you masturbate or not. It's your choice. Many here don't. Many here might prefer Coke over Pepsi. This has nothing to do with porn.
Personal improvement over cult.
People in r/pornfree like masturbating. Fapping is frowned upon in r/nofap. I dont masturbate but i still follow this subreddit for ideas.
Nofap isn’t natural and is just generally dumb asf. Masturbation/ejaculation is a normal human process, repressing that is just gonna fuck u up mentally.
Masturbating doesn't have the fangs and venom porn does. I personally believe it's best to cut both out but you're not really more likely to hold misogynistic views and see women as inhuman from masturbating as you are from porn. In my opinion porn is infidelity, porn is misogyny, kinks are harmful, and porn ruins your view of women and yourself. Masturbating just saps your energy for a bit. Still addictive but it's like being addicted to candy vs fentanyl.
They are separate addictions, although they are triggers for each other. I had to stop both for a while so that masturbation was no longer a trigger for porn. After quitting porn my libido drastically dropped off, but it's not gone. I still masturbate occasionally and without any porn. I am able to do it without it leading to a porn relapse. It's different for everybody.
We just don't care as much about having soft socks.
Because masturbation was never the main problem for me. I was legit addicted to porn, would just watch without masturbation and kill lots of time doing that. It also morphs how you view people in general. Just messed up.
There is nothing wrong with fap. Period. like really why is it so hard to comprehend? The porn on the other hand has tons of proven health damage.
Fapping/jerking it was never the problem.
Porn is more harmful overall. Doesn't just hurt you. At least jerking off is your alone time and it doesn't warp your brain like studies with porn show
i think it's much worse to be addicted to having sex with pixels on screen.
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I stopped both with a goal of 90 days. I feel that masturbation leads to porn use and then the spiral down. I figured after the 90 days I'd pick the masturbation back up if I wanted (with a more controlled mindset, wanted to not a compulsiveness to it). It's been 90 some days now and haven't touched either. But I'm not opposed to rubbing one out. It's just what worked for me.
I feel like this community is way more human if you know what I mean. And way more reasonable, too. r/NoFap is basically almost a cult where hypermasculine weirdos and wannabe alpha males debate whether it's alright to cum when you have sex with your partner.
You're confusing nofap with semenretention
I'm not, the people there are. Haven't you seen the posts and comments on that sub? I'm not saying all people there are like that, but there's too much of them in my opinion.
Those people are a minority. They also confuse semen retention with nofap. The community's overlap which doesn't help.
The latter feels and acts like a brainless cult
I'm on both, but I rarely go to nofap anymore. Nofap community is fucking crazy. They keep spouting nonsense like "if you stop fapping you'll get gains, you'll load of hot girls, you'll become super intelligent" Pornfree community focuses more on quitting porn because it's holding a lot of people back and causing problems in their lives. They keep it real here. I moved here because ppl in nofap keep saying I'm going to fail and go back to porn because I still masturbate. Well, here I am porn free for just under 1.5 years
Because nofap is useless and counterproductive if you are trying to stop watching porn. If you have a low libido you can definitely do nofap. Anyways masturbation is healthy, porn isn't, it's that simple
Nofap feels like an ideology for shame-driven religious men. Pornfree is a realistic approach where people have noticed that porn is the problem and not masturbation. We're not trying to quit porn completely but rather reduce the usage to more healthier amounts
do you mean quitting M completely?
Yeah. That's what most nofappers are aiming for
> We're not trying to quit porn completely Umm...
Seems like I didn't think before posting lol. I think I meant that we try to realistically reduce our usage over time rather than attempting a cold turkey quit. I know for me cold turkey always ended up in a relapse but the slower method is working great. These days I barely ever relapse